Report: NFL owners didn’t actually vote on anthem issue

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Question: When is a unanimous vote not unanimous?

Answer: When there’s no vote at all.

No, this isn’t a Matrix-style exercise in whether or not there is a spoon. (Then again maybe it is.) It’s an example of the kind of casual white-lying that has somehow become accepted as appropriate, as long as helps achieve a specific strategic goal.

Seth Wickersham of ESPN.com reports that the supposedly unanimous vote on the new anthem policy wasn’t unanimous after all because there wasn’t a vote.

“[T]here was no official vote for the anthem resolution,” Wickersham said on Twitter. “League execs polled owners and knew how they’d vote but didn’t hold an official vote, atypical for such a major resolution.”

Wickersham also reports that Raiders owner Mark Davis abstained from the non-vote vote, in the same way 49ers CEO Jed York did. Given Jets CEO Christopher Johnson’s aggressive position on the issue (he said he’ll pay the fines imposed by the league if players protest during the anthem, but that he won’t fine or discipline the protesting players), it’s fair to wonder whether he also abstained from the non-vote vote. Or whether he non-vote voted no in the non-vote vote.

Regardless, there was no unanimity. There was no vote. And this becomes further proof that, in its quest to make things better when it comes to the national anthem, the NFL actually made things worse.

76 responses to “Report: NFL owners didn’t actually vote on anthem issue

  1. You’re telling me that the NFL, noted for its infinite wisdom and character, did something very dumb and likely very ineffective in order to save a few dollars?

    Why, I never!

  2. The NFL is like that company some wealthy kid starts after college and just hires his friends it to key roles even though they have no idea what to do in them. I wish I could say it’s filled with ex-players with no corporate skills but to the best of my knowledge it seems to be staffed with career execs that get hired as favors to certain teams.

    The country club connection in the corporate world is probably the weakest it has ever been but it seems to flourish in multiple places in the NFL.

  3. Get every disrespectful, militant player shipped off to the CFL. Clark Hunt and Bob McNair ard trying to make this league great again. The fans do not pay to go to a game to see players doing a “LOOK AT ME” action to promote their own agendas.

  4. You know what’s funny? If you visit any of the team specific websites you’ll see hundreds of good stories that never make it to Pft. Instead we get bombarded with political crap like this which makes Pft and the game of football less enjoyable imo. How about get back to reporting on teams instead of pushing your own agenda Florio?

  5. As to this president creating anything he hasnt the media has.You were right charlie

  6. Question: how does the NFL win this when nearly no one is willing to compromise?

    Same question can be applied to ANY political debate.

  7. Look at dudes hair!!

    I thought my Jags had an ugly helmet … but dang son!

  8. Iknowitall says:
    May 24, 2018 at 2:45 pm
    Get every disrespectful, militant player shipped off to the CFL. Clark Hunt and Bob McNair ard trying to make this league great again. The fans do not pay to go to a game to see players doing a “LOOK AT ME” action to promote their own agendas.

    ———————

    I could say the same thing for the cheating owners as a Pats fan who has seen my team railroaded TWICE for made up lies and subsequent punishments linked to draft picks to try to weaken my team.

    And, that’s outside of spotting Philly 2 free TDs in the SB, too.

    How’s that for an agenda?

  9. So according to somebody who wasn’t there the NFL only polled all the owners but they didn’t vote. And only 3 of those owners don’t agree (I don’t know how you can substain from a poll).

    So the vote/non vote was 29 – 3 for respect of the flag. And some people (well Florio mostely) can’t stop crying about it.

    We should all pitch in and but him some tissues.

  10. If the Commissioner was the least bit competent and the NFL Office wasn’t infested with SJWs, the solution long ago was to say, “The NFL has adopted the same rule as the NBA — the players will stand respectfully for the anthem that celebrates the country that lets them get paid millions to play a game.” Issue resolved.

  11. Since Trump got involved, for the first time in my life I actually do want millionaire athletes to represent me by practicing “Loyal Disobedience.”

  12. Its really interesting how completely polarized we are.

    Its obvious to me that kneeling during the anthem is an expression of respect for the very freedoms that our veterans fought for and that our flags stands for. The opposite view to me is wholly misguided.

    And yet as certain as I am, many reasonable people are just as certain that standing for the flag is a simple sign of respect in itself and that expressions of protest don’t belong on a football field and should not happen during our national anthem.

    Its just interesting how sure each side is with their position.

    How would open minded tolerant people solve this problem if they tried to understand eachother and not demonize people who disagree with them?

  13. What a surprise! Anyone who really thinks that President Trump influenced this new policy in any way, must be clueless. TV ratings, no renewal of season tickets, partially empty stadiums, etc., are all the REAL reasons, this rule was implemented. It came down to the money lost, the past 2 years! Money is usually the only time the NFL will act! President Trump spoke his opinion, and fans followed through with theirs 🙂

  14. Why is Roger Goodell still the commissioner?! Could he bumble this any worse than he already has? Not a very good track record to date yet he continues to have the confidence of the owners. What does he have on them I wonder?

  15. motown81 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 2:46 pm

    How did any of these idiots ever become this wealthy running a business??

    ======================

    The same way most people “get” rich – by inheriting it.

  16. Actually pretty smart. When this blows up in the owner’s faces, as it almost assuredly will, each of them will be able to honestly say, “I never voted for this policy!”
    When lawyers are involved, exact language is the key.

  17. Owners abstaining, spending thousands of dollars on “public surveys”. It’s embarrassing.

    Why not just man up and tell us how you feel? I’m not a fan of Bob McNair or his stance on this issue, but at least he tells us how he really feels. Unlike Jed York who doesn’t have the stones to tell us his real opinion one way or the other.

  18. I know it flies in the face of the constant Goddell narrative, but this is on the owners. He’s not thinking this up. They are.

  19. Concurrence has been agreed to by NFL Owners and the policy is now set. The fact that the owners didn’t hold an official hard vote, is actually a genius move. If you are for players being made to comply with standing and respecting the National Anthem/Flag/Military, you’re happy. If you’re against stopping players from making any type of political or otherwise statements, you see avenue for it to continue by staying in locker room. In fact, owners now have ability to say, they won’t fine players or even agree with policy, but they will encourage compliance and try to give players a social statement platform in the future. Hard to blame an individual owner without the hard vote.

    The compliance with no vote is the compromise mentioned by the NFL.

  20. The players should all take a non-vote to just stay in the locker room.
    This was a small protest that Trump uses as a smokescreen, afraid that if the smoke ever clears the first thing his supporters will see is No Wall.

  21. Iknowitall says:
    May 24, 2018 at 2:45 pm
    Get every disrespectful, militant player shipped off to the CFL. Clark Hunt and Bob McNair ard trying to make this league great again. The fans do not pay to go to a game to see players doing a “LOOK AT ME” action to promote their own agendas.

    ———————

    I could say the same thing for the cheating owners as a Pats fan who has seen my team railroaded TWICE for made up lies and subsequent punishments linked to draft picks to try to weaken my team.

    And, that’s outside of spotting Philly 2 free TDs in the SB, too.

    How’s that for an agenda?

    ___________

    NE was spotted free touchdown in the AFC Championship game that gifted them a trip to the SB in the first place. Your argument is invalid.

  22. No Need to vote on something that you know is the right thing to do. You just do it because it’s right.You have the backing of the greatest president in U.S. history and the backing of all true Americans.

  23. the NFL avoids politics
    unless the military is paying them

    patriotism is a joke
    blind patriotism takes that to another level

  24. cobrala2 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 2:49 pm

    Question: how does the NFL win this when nearly no one is willing to compromise?
    ——————————

    They can grow a backbone and dictate to the players that they are going to be on the field and standing during the singing of the national anthem. Any players that can’t follow that simple directive is free to take the day off without pay. It’s only a problem with the NFL because the NFL makes it a problem.

  25. If Goodell said the vote was unanimous, you can take to the bank that it wasn’t. He only says what he thinks that people want to hear.

  26. ‘ How to Kill the Golden Goose. ‘

    This will be the name of the business course given to future generations
    depicting rise and painful demise of the present day NFL.

    A league led by a bunch of clueless, greedy men and a few fools,
    who just couldn’t see their way to do the right things to protect the gift
    they were blessed with.

    The Golden days of football are behind us. Now I prepare myself for
    the imposter that will be presented to us, in the guise of being the real McCoy.
    Knowing full well, this is nothing but a knock off purporting to be the genuine item.

    It’ll be nothing but Rolex made in China. A Rolls-Royce made in Korea.

  27. Or…it’s an example of a website, in its quest to mass produce stories during the offseason, didn’t have any of the facts but still wrote an article about the owner’s anthem vote even the the vote never happened.

  28. pkrlvr says:
    May 24, 2018 at 2:46 pm
    You know what’s funny? If you visit any of the team specific websites you’ll see hundreds of good stories that never make it to Pft. Instead we get bombarded with political crap like this which makes Pft and the game of football less enjoyable imo. How about get back to reporting on teams instead of pushing your own agenda Florio?

    ============================================

    Well, this is his site so he can probably put out whatever he wants. You don’t have to read it though. I wish I had a buck for everyone who’s said they aren’t watching football anymore or complain about how they don’t like certain stories. You still watch football. You still hit up this site. You still read and even comment on the stories. Why don’t you guys put your money where your mouth is and just go away then?

  29. The owners actions prove they’re terrified of lower ratings and a full revolt from fans. I used to be against the protests, but now enjoy the entertainment value and watching the owners scramble to say “we support our players” when they’re really just dealing it with it. Goedell just made the optics worse for the NFL.

  30. Of course they didn’t. They left it to Goodell to make a marketing decision. And in the he said/she said thing over the union involvement I absolutely think the union wasnt consulted. I have no inside info, I just think those things are obvious. On the radio I was hearing these guys debate all the discrepancies in what Goodell said and they were arguing ‘is it possible Goodell lied?’. I mean really, of course he lied. Hes Goodell. I take it for granted these days and dont even see how its news.

    As far as the solo marketing decision. Whether or not he wants to come clean on that, and whether or not anyone likes it or thinks it was smart or whatever, that is still a devision he has the authority to make.

  31. Saw a lot of articles yesterday on PFT regarding this “vote”….

    Why would the owners want to put their name’s to a vote one way or the other. They know they’d be chastised by half the country no matter which way they voted.

  32. In just the last week members of the Democratic Party have supported kneeling for the anthem, Hamas, MS-13, spying on campaigns, and Kim Jong Un…are you guys funneling money to Trumps 2020 campaign too?

  33. comments321 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 3:28 pm
    Saw a lot of articles yesterday on PFT regarding this “vote”….

    Why would the owners want to put their name’s to a vote one way or the other. They know they’d be chastised by half the country no matter which way they voted.
    ————————
    Correct. They pay Goodell to be the face on these things so they dont have to.

  34. It’s Goodell’s job to take the heat for all these difficult decisions and be an insulator for the owners. He has done a great job of that. Every difficult controversial decision or stupid idea that the owners didn’t want their name tied to he has taken the credit/blame for. That’s why he still has a job. The owners know all about this, and don’t want anyone to know they voted for it.

  35. hockeyfan28 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 3:56 pm
    In just the last week members of the Democratic Party have supported kneeling for the anthem, Hamas, MS-13, spying on campaigns, and Kim Jong Un…are you guys funneling money to Trumps 2020 campaign too?

    ——————————————————————————————

    In just the last week, Republicans have expressed support for abolishing freedom of speech, killing school children, taking control of women’s bodies, promoting nuclear war with North Korea and Iran and destroying the environment. Do you really hate America that much?

    This is of course ridiculous, but this is what political distortion and bias looks like.

  36. dtroxallday says:
    May 24, 2018 at 3:24 pm
    pkrlvr says:
    May 24, 2018 at 2:46 pm
    You know what’s funny? If you visit any of the team specific websites you’ll see hundreds of good stories that never make it to Pft. Instead we get bombarded with political crap like this which makes Pft and the game of football less enjoyable imo. How about get back to reporting on teams instead of pushing your own agenda Florio?

    ============================================

    Well, this is his site so he can probably put out whatever he wants. You don’t have to read it though. I wish I had a buck for everyone who’s said they aren’t watching football anymore or complain about how they don’t like certain stories. You still watch football. You still hit up this site. You still read and even comment on the stories. Why don’t you guys put your money where your mouth is and just go away then?

    ================
    Going away completely would be a bit drastic. But I too have been taking time and clicks I would have spent reading about sports on PFT and spending that time reading B/R, and even ESPN (who fior a while there stopped getting any of my time). I only have a limited portion of my day I can spend reading about sports so to shift any of my reading anywhere means taking it away from someone else. So if one sports site has drifted too far into politics or even just beating one story to death Ill use the time reading somewhere that I can find actual sports reporting going on. And the way that works for me is how it works for 90% of everyone else too.

  37. The NFL is like 40% of America, too dumb to know the difference between mindless patriotism and and total baloney. It hasn’t taken long for this country to slip from decency to buffoonery.

  38. These guys are private employers. And when your dumb progressive antics cut into their profits, they respond. I certainly am not going to pay hundreds of dollars to go watch people insult the flag, and the ratings crash shows I am not alone. But by all means please take the Resistance to 11; for people who claim to be so smart and educated you never learn a thing.

  39. Time to split this country in half. Heck with it. Dems get the coasts and dimwits get the middle. You want the wall so bad, we’ll chip in now. Stand for your flag. Salute his excellency. Shoot up each other’s schools. Drill up every square inch of open land. Eat your gov’t supplied vicodin. Watch your tank parades. Ignore facts. Ignore “innocent until proven guilty.” Have a hoe-down blast. We’ll have a real democracy and treat each other respectfully on our side working hard as always. Sick of carrying you all and getting lumped in with you.

  40. How stupid but not completely surprising since they were clearly trying please ONE person. They may have succeeded in getting the issue off the television screens but failing to come to an agreement inclusive of players is going to come back to bite them.

    With a little over month left before training camps open the NFL finds itself on the verge of having one of the worse season in its history. And here is the ironic part. They put the topic back on the radar.

  41. Only, something great can come of out of this. The petty spoiled brats protest totally back fired.

  42. So the NFL is like the mob. The bosses get together and make a decision but nobody is on record. And of course all decisions are unanimous–or somebody sleeps with the fishes.

  43. Packernet says:
    May 24, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    If anyone kneels at a game I’m watching I’m turning it off.
    ——————————————–
    You really showed all of us.

  44. Packernet says:
    May 24, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    If anyone kneels at a game I’m watching I’m turning it off.
    ——————

    So, no victory formations for you. Got it.

  45. Packernet says:
    May 24, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    If anyone kneels at a game I’m watching I’m turning it off.

    copy that snowflake.

  46. Ugadogs21 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 5:06 pm
    How stupid but not completely surprising since they were clearly trying please ONE person. They may have succeeded in getting the issue off the television screens but failing to come to an agreement inclusive of players is going to come back to bite them.

    With a little over month left before training camps open the NFL finds itself on the verge of having one of the worse season in its history. And here is the ironic part. They put the topic back on the radar.

    ————————-
    They put it back on the radar in the offseason when they otherwise have nothing on the radar. It will have faded again when the season rolls around. See what they did here? (Those of you that say you are going to see it back on the radar during the season sound just like the guys saying they will quit watching football. Talk talk talk)

  47. I stand for the flag because I support what America was founded on.

    I respect the rights of others to kneel, sit, or do whatever they please, because that’s what America was founded on.

    “NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!”

    How do you think the establishment felt about the above statement when it was first shouted in the late 18th Century?

    All Kap, Eric Reid and the rest are doing is following this patriotic example, which led to the founding of this great nation.

    #imwithkap

  48. eatpete1 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 6:32 pm
    Ugadogs21 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 5:06 pm
    How stupid but not completely surprising since they were clearly trying please ONE person. They may have succeeded in getting the issue off the television screens but failing to come to an agreement inclusive of players is going to come back to bite them.

    With a little over month left before training camps open the NFL finds itself on the verge of having one of the worse season in its history. And here is the ironic part. They put the topic back on the radar.

    ————————-
    They put it back on the radar in the offseason when they otherwise have nothing on the radar. It will have faded again when the season rolls around. See what they did here? (Those of you that say you are going to see it back on the radar during the season sound just like the guys saying they will quit watching football. Talk talk talk)

    ——————
    The players are in OTAs. They lost the narrative a long time ago and you think they want to deal with this? You think the owners do?

    Nevertheless we shall see how it unfolds.

  49. Ugadogs21 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 6:54 pm
    eatpete1 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 6:32 pm
    Ugadogs21 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 5:06 pm
    How stupid but not completely surprising since they were clearly trying please ONE person. They may have succeeded in getting the issue off the television screens but failing to come to an agreement inclusive of players is going to come back to bite them.

    With a little over month left before training camps open the NFL finds itself on the verge of having one of the worse season in its history. And here is the ironic part. They put the topic back on the radar.

    ————————-
    They put it back on the radar in the offseason when they otherwise have nothing on the radar. It will have faded again when the season rolls around. See what they did here? (Those of you that say you are going to see it back on the radar during the season sound just like the guys saying they will quit watching football. Talk talk talk)

    ——————
    The players are in OTAs. They lost the narrative a long time ago and you think they want to deal with this? You think the owners do?

    Nevertheless we shall see how it unfolds.
    ——————

    You have to afmit the OTAs were not producing much fodder. And they could only write about the lack of info to report on Tom Brady so many times before even that one loses steam.

  50. The NFL may have joined the long, long list of people who associated with Trump and came out with their reputation tarnished. Sean Spicer, Rex Tillerson, Kellyanne Conway, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Reince Priebus, etc., etc..

  51. The NFL is in a competition with itself to see which they can make worse with their “improvements”. The catch rule or the Anthem situation.

  52. No official vote and no union rep at the table and Goodell still put the policy into effect. The owners are now playing dumb like they didnt know about any of this. You fanboys think collusion wasn’t possible lol

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