The President has created a broad anthem standard that goes well beyond the playing field

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The President has spoken (again) about the national anthem. And now that he has gotten his wish to “get that son of a bitch off the field” (a line borrowed from an FDR fireside chat, possibly) who declines to stand for the anthem, the President has offered a broad proclamation regarding his expectations.

It’s sufficiently broad to apply not only to the players and everyone else at field level, but to everyone else in the stadium.

“I don’t think people should be staying in the locker rooms,” the President said on FOX News Channel. “You have to stand proudly for the national anthem, or you shouldn’t be playing, you shouldn’t be there. Maybe you shouldn’t be in the country. You have to stand proudly for the national anthem.”

One of the common arguments raised regarding on-the-job NFL anthem protests relates to the notion that, for most people, this kind of behavior would not be tolerated in their workplaces, and that the First Amendment rights the players hope to exercise on the sidelines don’t restrict private employers from establishing workplace rules that prohibit it. Regardless of whether those arguments have any real merit (especially when the anthem is being played in stadiums built in whole or in part by public money), the President’s latest words on the subject apply far more broadly than to the players at an NFL game.

You have to stand proudly for the national anthem, or . . . you shouldn’t be there. Maybe you shouldn’t be in the country.”

This applies to anyone and everyone who is attending the game. All 70,000-plus people. Every last one of them. It applies to the fans in the stands who aren’t taking off their hats and aren’t standing at attention and aren’t ignoring their cellphones and aren’t not eating hot dogs and aren’t not screaming profanities and other insults at players from the visiting team.

It applies to the fans who are in the rest room or in line to get there. It applies to fans in concession lines. It applies to the concession workers.

It applies to everyone in the press box. It applies to everyone in the luxury suites. It particularly applies to the owners and their family members, friends, sponsors, and other assorted muckety-mucks who are schmoozing in the back of the box while the anthem is playing. (This year, there could be some interesting fan-made videos of what actually is happening in the owners’ suites during the anthem.)

Above all else, fans should do nothing during the playing of the anthem to in any way disrespect the song, including screaming “Ooooooooh!” at the outset of the “oh say does that star-spangled banner yet wave!” or, in Kansas City, replacing the the final words of the song with “and the home of the Chiefs.”

Anyone who doesn’t comply with those standards isn’t truly standing proudly for the national anthem. And we now know you have to stand proudly for the anthem or you shouldn’t be there.

Maybe you shouldn’t be in the country.

209 responses to “The President has created a broad anthem standard that goes well beyond the playing field

  1. He didn’t set any standard. He didn’t broadly apply anything. He just opened his mouth and let his brain strong together some words he thinks people want to hear. None of it carries any weight.

    Please stop giving this goon more credit or power than he deserves.

  2. For someone born with a silver spoon whose only creedence in life is having sold luxury real estate, you can only take this person’s opinions about anything with just a smidgeon of salt lol

  3. It goes farther than that…..what about fans dressed up in ridiculous outfits….isn’t that being disrespectful?

  4. This country certainly isn’t perfect. No country is but ours is one of the best. If you don’t think so try visiting some other countries and see for yourself. I don’t have any problems with the Presidents comments because I understand the context but nice attempt trying to put spin on it.

  5. Land of the free to do whatever you are told to do how we tell when we tell you.

    We are arguing about what color to paint the walls while ignoring the termites destroying the structure.

  6. So tired of Trump
    he is so full of himself
    if everyone was treated equally
    then there would be no need to protest inequality in America
    Maybe he should spend more time on Making America Great Again by working to get rid of racism and backing those that have the courage to speak up

  7. It’s almost like this president has no idea what he’s talking about any of the time.

  8. to be honest, I believe the anthem has nothing to do with sports and have long maintained it should not be played before games. For international competitions, absolutely, then it truly is about pride in your country. But for regular old sporting events, how does the anthem have anything to do with that? To me it is no different than being forced as a child to recite the pledge of allegiance, a form of brainwashing that young minds do not even comprehend when they are 4-6 years old. It is taking away peoples free will, and dictating what they should do and how they should feel. I do love this country, I just do not like how it has been run by the politicos for the last 40 years or so.

  9. Its very difficult for me to understand how this has become such a huge issue. I dont get the players doing what they do and I dont get Trump doing what he’s doing. I havent been to a live game in almost 20 years and while this anthem thing isnt the reason for that, it sure wont get me to go to another live game anytime in the near future.

  10. As all smart people watching this pan out yesterday knew Trump would not keep his mouth shut so long as he can sow division and chaos and I hope there are tons of fan-made videos showing this hypocrisy…

  11. Soon we will be required to have a picture of our fearless leader in our homes in a place of prominence or be labelled an enemy of the state.

    The people who appease him are just further destroying this country’s ideals.

  12. Even if only half the people stand out of conviction you still have a meaningful display of patriotism. If every one stands because they are afraid of the consequences you have turned the anthem into an act of obedience.

  13. I’ve always felt like unless you’re in a wheelchair or just can’t stand very well, you should stand for the National Anthem. I work in a high school and it drives me nuts when they are doing the Pledge of Allegiance in the morning and kids are sitting down being disrespectful. There’s no reason for it. Their parents should teach them to show respect. And unfortunately because so many people are trying to de-legitamize Trump’s Presidency, most people won’t care what he says.

  14. The flags, bands, military honor guards, jets overhead, and players standing reverently for the anthem are part of the show. The game is just a show. The NFL sells itself as a patriotic organization. The pre-kickoff hoopla is marketing for entertainment. Kneeling is akin to a stage actor coming out between acts and giving a political speech. He can give his speech later but not during the show.

  15. In other news, the media makes a mountain out of a mole hill.

    Trump was right, I am getting tired of all the winning. But I love it nonetheless.

  16. So then how did he get a free pass, last fall, for cracking jokes and laughing with Sean Hannity at a military base while everyone else was silent and saluting the flag while the colors were being lowered?

    Double standard!

  17. You’re over analyzing this. It’s very simple: when the anthem plays, show some respect, and stay standing.

    I don’t understand why this is a difficult concept.

  18. You know what he means, stop acting like little baby- nobody’s going to make you anti-Americans media folks act like you’re proud of your country!! I often wonder why so many anti-american citizens bother to say in such an oppressive country…pretty sure this won’t see the light of day! Lol

  19. Another example of DJT going a bit too far with his rhetoric and forgetting about that good old first amendment. A major reason why people love this country and choose to stand for the anthem is because it’s a CHOICE, not a requirement.

  20. There are a lot of ignorant people that take things for granted. They could be in the stands, players on the side line or wherever in the stadium. If you cannot be respectful for National Anthem for the whole 1 min. and 40 seconds than you are part of the problem with the degradation of society.

  21. The conflation of issues here is over the top.

    Players are employees of private companies. Those companies have the right to make rules regarding employee conduct.

    Fans in the stands are customers of private companies. Those companies have the right to apply rules to customers that differ from those applicable to employees.

    Trump has nothing to do with any of this. He can express his opinion, but that does not dictate NFL policy.

  22. arwiv says:
    May 24, 2018 at 11:53 am
    Its very difficult for me to understand how this has become such a huge issue. I dont get the players doing what they do…

    …that’s why they’re still doing it. If you don’t want to google, it’s to raise awareness on police brutality on POC. It’s amazing people still don’t know this.

  23. Superglider. It is an act of obedience for the employees of the NFL and it’s teams which all players should do until they’re told not to by their employer. They’re on stage. The fans are not and they can do whatever they want as long as they don’t directly harm or bother someone else. Whether it’s an act of patriotism or just going along with the herd is another question.

  24. We live in America, the greatest country in the WORLD. We should be proud of our country, clearly many people would be very happy to live here. Find another place to put your protest forward, but not during the National Anthem. We should be proud to honor our FLAG as well and not forget the people who died to protect our freedoms. Last years protests were a kick in the gut to every family who has lost someone fighting for our country. Get a clue people!!!

  25. There’s an odd pattern to the progressive view of patriotism:

    2000-2008: Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
    2008-2016: Dissent is racist, and patriotism means paying your taxes and “shared responsibility payments.”
    2016-?: Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

  26. This is the hypocrisy that you point out.

    The very people who twisted these protests which had NOTHING TO DO with the anthem or military (no matter how many times they try to argue and dictate to those who protested and explicitly said otherwise; as if you are able to reach minds or something) are the same ones who do each of these things… they’re on a line getting food or beer, in the restrooms, on a line to get to their seats, shouting profanities and other nonsense while the anthem is being sung, are on their phones, and are military zealots, despite never once even considering signing up to join any branch of service.

    It’s hilarious to me.

  27. Even if only half the people stand out of conviction you still have a meaningful display of patriotism. If every one stands because they are afraid of the consequences you have turned the anthem into an act of obedience.
    __________________________________________________________________________________________

    Understanding there is a consequence is the foundation of good behavior. In the absence of fear of repercussions, our society would degrade into anarchy.

  28. “Regardless of whether those arguments have any real merit”

    Um. Yeah – they do.

  29. Funny to see a draft dodger (with a whole family that not a single individual has ever served the country) speaking about patriotism

  30. superglider says:
    May 24, 2018 at 11:57 am

    Even if only half the people stand out of conviction you still have a meaningful display of patriotism. If every one stands because they are afraid of the consequences you have turned the anthem into an act of obedience.

    _____________________________________

    Where exactly did Trump say it’s MANDATORY and non-compliance is PUNISHABLE? He is simply expressing, in his direct and unfiltered manner, that standing for the anthem is a positive action.

  31. Trump is expressing an opinion. He doesn’t have the power to force people to do it. Everyone at the stadium can make their own decision about how to handle the anthem because it’s a free country. The exception? If you’re working during the playing of the national anthem, your employer can institute a policy on how it is handled. If you have a problem with your employer’s policy, you have the right to do what you want but you may suffer consequences.

  32. Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it’s mistakes. Open your eyes Trump supporters. Someday you’ll be the one who’s told to comply or leave.

  33. nenlain says:
    May 24, 2018 at 11:55 am
    Oh no, the draft dodger has spoken. Oh no…
    ———
    I assume you served?

  34. I honestly do not understand why people care what football players are doing or not doing. Same for other celebrities. Why do people care what they do or what they think? Have your own original thoughts and actions, people. Think for yourself and let the athletes and celebrities do their thing without you trying to emulate them. They don’t care about you. Don’t you care about them.

  35. Well put Florio … and don’t forget everyone at home, who talks, eats food, and comments about the singer WHILE the anthem is being played. There are hypocrites on this anthem EVERYWHERE

  36. Florio, I trust this post is tongue in cheek. You do a good job of exposing the hypocrisy of the owners’ capitulation. I suspect it wasn’t just capitulation but an economic decision. They are worried about losing viewers and season ticket holders. They believe this decision has the best interest on their bottom line.

  37. Now lets keep the protesting out of football. I don’t care if they are protesting subway’s 11″ foot long sandwich or global warming or whatever. I could care less about someone else’s opinion so don’t shove it down my throat. I don’t stick my opinions in their life.

  38. ctiggs says:
    May 24, 2018 at 11:54 am
    Like Rome, we will fall eventually.

    *********************************

    Exactly when people are allowed to disrespect our Flag… and forget all the sacrifice our Armed forces have taken. Love it or Leave it.

  39. Umm…this is pretty much the way it has always been. No, it doesn’t mean being a frozen statue (as this post implied, using faulty “slippery slope” logic), but it means showing respect. The problem regarding players was the active AND CONSCIOUS showing of DISRESPECT during the anthem. Remember, Colin Kaepernick never said that he “didn’t mean to be disrespectful”; he explicitly said that he knelled because he couldn’t stand for the anthem of a country that allows XYZ to happen. In other words, his message was “I can’t respect you until you fix this thing”, as in “all the good this country does is erased and unworthy of respect as long as this one negative exists”.

  40. It’s the Off Season, players have much more time on their hands then they do during the season when they are at their jobs working for their employers.
    Why have I not seen a single player on a TV show, organizing an event in a park, protesting in front of the police station or protesting in front of City Hall
    ( where Police policy is made ) ?
    Why is the only time they are concerned is during the National Anthem working for their employer and not on their own time
    when they could actually address someone who could help solve their issues ?

  41. It also applies to presidents who clearly don’t know even half the words to the anthem they claim to care so much about. I’ve seen better lip syncing from Ashlee Simpson than his attempt to sing along last year.

  42. If you’ve followed the political news this week (and today) and your conclusion is “winning” then I would love to compete with you in just about anything.

  43. Trump has every right to SAY what he said, he has absolutely no right to LEGISLATE those wishes.

    And again Florio, you seem to be under the bizarre impression that the individuals that disapprove of the player’s anthem kneeling are the same ones that never stand with their hands over their hearts. It would be safe to assume that is not the case, with those upset over the issue being the ones who honor the tradition. Otherwise, why would they care?

  44. .
    So it would be ok if a player stands for the anthem while deriding McCain?
    Is the other definition of patriotism putting your business dealings and poll numbers before America?

  45. So, basically what I’m hearing and reading, is Americans are too damn lazy, disrespectful and full of themselves, to spend 3 freaking minutes paying respect to our country and those that died defending it? Yeah, that sounds about right. Let’s spend days and weeks talking about something that shouldn’t be an issue. Good grief people, get the f over yourselves and show a little respect.

  46. getout1 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 12:17 pm
    nenlain says:
    May 24, 2018 at 11:55 am
    Oh no, the draft dodger has spoken. Oh no…
    ———
    I assume you served?
    ———————–
    It doesnt matter if he/she served. Getout1 is not calling people unpatriotic or running his/her mouth on how to be patriotic. You’re deflecting!

  47. i think when i go to a game later this year… instead of pounding my last beer in the parking lot or walking the concourse talking trash during the anthem, im gonna get to my seat early.. and during the anthem.. just sit there, cuz i can.

  48. China also has a law that makes disrespecting the flag and the anthem a crime. It is now being incorporated into Hong Kong law. Trump seems to be following the lead of China in restricting free speech.

  49. if trump had the power, we’d have a totalitarian government. The fact people dont see it is incredibly scary.

    But yes, STAND FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM…and completely ignore whats going on in the bigger picture

  50. At least he didn’t claim to have written the Anthem and proclaim it the most huge hit ever , nor did he add it to his endless list of things he will fix in 2 weeks .Maybe we can build an Anthem wall and have a parade.

  51. If anyone thinks this about anything other than money then get a clue. Owners lost millions last year (don’t say because of election or any other reason people were not watching…..it was the kneeling) due to the kneeling and they don’t want to suffer losing anymore millions.

  52. Maybe I just wanna watch a game and not have the toxicity of this nation’s politics bleed into the 3 hours a week I know I can relax and enjoy myself.

  53. You want to blame Donald Trump because you are the media. But the real reason is the money lost due to fan boycotts.

  54. Trump’s comments illustrate how the United States of America has lost touch with the fundamental principle of encouraging discourse through free speech. No longer do people accept disagreement; instead, they seek to stifle dissent. This presents a serious threat to democratic governments, like ours, where government represents the will of the people. When select voices are silenced, government cannot fairly and accurately reflect the people’s will.

    So we beat on, with a difficult question looming over all of us: is it more important to get your way now and silence all opposing viewpoints, or to embrace other perspectives and enjoy a healthy democracy later?

  55. As a non american I wonder how any of you call your country over and over the greatest. Is it the record number of school shootings? The underlying racism? Gender inequality? Insanely loose guns laws? You cant have it both ways. Freedom of speech is american. Take it away and you may as well be a dictatorship

  56. Let’s distinguish the symptom from the cause.

    Symptom: people protest during the playing of the national anthem
    Cause: racial discrimination and police brutality against ethnic and racial minorities

    The NFL is addressing the symptom but that does not work, because the cause would need to be addressed, if not eliminated, for the symptom to disappear.

  57. When Trump had a chance to serve during the Viet Nam era he instead sought five draft deferments. Of course it makes sense to allow him to dictate Anthem policy.

  58. Trump is appealing racists who hide behind this false narrative of patriotism. Those who hate that a bunch of young black men millionaires are consicious ennough to protest for change. He won the election becuase of racial divide and his base are those who supported him.

  59. The odd part is that some people honestly believe the US is the greatest country in the world. With the guns, the degradation of the environment, and the free reign that corporations have to do almost whatever they want, I wouldn’t even put it in the top 10.

  60. getout1
    May 24, 2018, 12:17 PM EDT
    nenlain says:
    May 24, 2018 at 11:55 am
    Oh no, the draft dodger has spoken. Oh no…
    ———
    I assume you served?
    ————

    Yeah. What does that have to do with Trump being a draft dodger?

    /boggle

  61. omeimontis says:

    China also has a law that makes disrespecting the flag and the anthem a crime.
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    What do you mean by “also”? We don’t have a law like that. Work rules aren’t laws.

  62. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 12:08 pm
    This is the hypocrisy that you point out.

    The very people who twisted these protests which had NOTHING TO DO with the anthem or military (no matter how many times they try to argue and dictate to those who protested and explicitly said otherwise; as if you are able to reach minds or something) are the same ones who do each of these things… they’re on a line getting food or beer, in the restrooms, on a line to get to their seats, shouting profanities and other nonsense while the anthem is being sung, are on their phones, and are military zealots, despite never once even considering signing up to join any branch of service.

    It’s hilarious to me.
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    The most hypocritical thing I have experienced relating to this matter is hearing sports bar patrons demean kneelers while they themselves were seated on bar stools while the anthem was being played. I think one of them was wearing a hat.

  63. This applies to anyone and everyone who is attending the game

    It most certainly applies if the reason for not standing is to get under the skin of others. Cluelessness is not the same as intentionally going out of your way to PO one segment of the population.

    Only a liberal fool would try to paint these the same color. Complete false equivalence. Probably cognitive dissonance as well.

  64. arlingtonassasin says:
    May 24, 2018 at 12:47 pm

    As a non american I wonder how any of you call your country over and over the greatest. Is it the record number of school shootings? The underlying racism? Gender inequality? Insanely loose guns laws? You cant have it both ways. Freedom of speech is american. Take it away and you may as well be a dictatorship

    _________________________________

    Our country is no longer great.

  65. I don’t get it, Trump often (some say all the time) just says things to get people riled up. I think the better strategy is to just ignore him and not further the story. But it seems the Press cannot help themselves including this web site.

  66. Michael E says:
    May 24, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    omeimontis says:

    China also has a law that makes disrespecting the flag and the anthem a crime.
    =====================================================

    What do you mean by “also”? We don’t have a law like that. Work rules aren’t laws.

    _______________________________________

    Give it time

  67. Okay, we understand that those who run PFT don’t like Trump; we get it. However, suggesting that the President has created a standard that goes beyond the playing field is just silly.

    For starters, it was the NFL that created this standard, not Trump. Yeah, Goodell felt some pressure, but if you think the only pressure he felt was from Trump, you are either not paying attention or denying the reality of just how unpopular these protests are with us peons in the middle class. Second, like it or not, if the anthem is being filmed, the cameras are on the field, and those who will be playing the game. Suggesting that this new “standard” applies to everyone else in the stadium is incoherent, and sounds like a desperate attempt to redirect the target of the NFL’s new standard. Sorry, but that fertilizer isn’t growing anything in flyover country.

  68. “The odd part is that some people honestly believe the US is the greatest country in the world. With the guns, the degradation of the environment, and the free reign that corporations have to do almost whatever they want, I wouldn’t even put it in the top 10.”

    Do you live here? If you do, nothing says you have to stay. You’re welcome to go to any other country at any point. Name the 10 countries better than this one.

  69. Seriously, when someone in your position says he has done it you have created a sense that it is legitimate. It isn’t, and it is important to keep that clear, even in headlones.

  70. Hey Dennis Carson…

    “I work in a high school and it drives me nuts when they are doing the Pledge of Allegiance in the morning and kids are sitting down being disrespectful. There’s no reason for it”

    You should look up ‘West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette’ The SCOTUS has already ruled that no government official, nor any school employee can legally force you to stand or recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

    Interestingly enough, the anthem also falls under this ruling.

  71. Our country was built from protest..Heard of the Sons of Liberty? You Trumpers need a history lesson.

    ****************************

    The sons of liberty protested against England and started THEIR own county. You care to start you own? go ahead! Just like Trump said. Go AWAY!!!!!!

  72. Go back to bed America, there’s no reason to challenge yourself mentally, ethically, or really in any way. You’re the greatest and screw anyone that says anything different. Go back to bed America, you don’t have to fight for anything since everything is perfect.

    Go back to bed America

  73. “If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.”

    – US Supreme Court, who is comprised of the descendants of immigrants

  74. I don’t agree with it. I also don’t agree with suing nuns and prosecuting people for using the wrong pronouns. Welcome to the new rules, WE TRIED TO TELL YOU THAT YOU WOULD HATE THEM!! Can you hear us now? If you wage a culture war, don’t clutch your pearls when the other side fights back.

    #LiveAndLetLive

  75. Bob says:
    May 24, 2018 at 1:08 pm
    “The odd part is that some people honestly believe the US is the greatest country in the world. With the guns, the degradation of the environment, and the free reign that corporations have to do almost whatever they want, I wouldn’t even put it in the top 10.”

    Do you live here? If you do, nothing says you have to stay. You’re welcome to go to any other country at any point. Name the 10 countries better than this one.

    By standards of less violence: all but a few
    By standards of education: Sweden, Finland, Norway, Netherlands, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Belgium…. heck I didn’t even have to leave northern Europe to get that far
    By standards of health and medical care: All of Europe

    So what standards do you have? What do you actually see that makes America the greatest?

    As for love it or leave it, that’s far far far from greatness. Go read the Constitution a******

  76. “This applies to anyone and everyone who is attending the game.”

    Actually it is only the president’s opinion that applies to every one attending the game. (So in other words: Who cares?) But he has no authority to actually direct them so if they choose to ignore it Trump cant do anything other than not like it. Its different from those who are hired and are being paid to attend that game and do a certain job at it. All of those people are required on the authority of those paying their salary (and not the president) to do however directed. If that person says stand they stand. If the guy paying the concession vendors tells them they are required to ignore that and instead keep making sales they too are required to do that. Its not a first amendment issue, if those guys choose to defy their boss they will not be arrested or in any way suppressed by the government. Anything that does happen will be at the hands of their boss whos recourse is also limited to deviding whether or not he still cares to pay them that salary.

  77. So lets get this straight a man who never served his country calls out a tortured POW over being captured and his followers turn a blind eye, but are outraged over people protesting police brutality……think about that for a second while i go throw up. As a Veteran I don’t have much respect for draft dodgers, but read “When Hell was in Session” by Jeremiah Denton and you will understand why TRumps ignorance is so amazing let alone accepted by this followers. The players need to find a way to protest that hurts the owners in the only place they have concerns….their wallets.

  78. So funny watching progressives stumble backwards into the rationale for the 2nd Amendment. You remember that one, it’s one of the many civil liberties you’ve spent decades undermining in the name of fairness and justice. Whoops!

  79. The NFL is entertainment, and the players are public figures. Their opinions “matter” because someone sticks a mic in their face and asks them questions, or reads their Twitter feed and reports on it. It is no different for musicians or actors or whatever.

    As soon as we begin dictating (you know, like a dictator would) what people have to do or think then we’ve completely lost the plot. It’s very simple: it’s a free country. Forcing obedience to a song and a cloth symbol is empty, shallow, knee-jerk nationalism. It’s just dime-store propaganda, getting the rubes riled up and pushing all kinds of racist buttons, because he knows his base will respond like he wants.

    Oh, and by the way – Trump ran on “Make America Great Again”, right? So HE obviously doesn’t think America is great. Can he please leave, too?

  80. If you’re going down this road, how about demanding people follow the entire code of the flag? Can’t use a representation of the flag in clothing (no flag shirts, hats, bikinis … none of that). Can’t display a tattered flag. When the flag is displayed at night it must be fully lit (needs a spotlight). The flag is never to touch the ground (those flags on little plastic poles that people attach to car windows … when they fly off the car that’s a sign of disrespect – same thing when they get distressed/tattered).

    One last thing … the flag must be displayed properly and must always fly freely. It can’t be used as a draping (unless it’s over the coffin of deceased military personnel). Remember that magazine cover that Sarah Palin did when she was bragging about jogging? She had a flag draped over a chair next to her. That’s disrespectful to the flag, but none of the right-wing patriotic flag wavers were willing to call her out for that.

    Be wary of people who wave the flag so they can hide their misdeeds behind it.

  81. Florio, like many others who fail to understand how Trump got elected, takes him literally, but not seriously. No one, including former attorney Florio, actually believes that any President can have someone taken out of the Country for not standing for the Anthem. He is simply expressing a personal opinion, that everyone should love America like he does, or leave.

  82. This illegitimate president has done more to dishonor the Flag than any football player in the NFL.

  83. Oh, look at the uneducated clicking masses. I have challenge: Go to your job, don’t do it and protest. See what happens and see what your lawsuit result is.

  84. omeimontis says:
    May 24, 2018 at 12:38 pm
    China also has a law that makes disrespecting the flag and the anthem a crime. It is now being incorporated into Hong Kong law. Trump seems to be following the lead of China in restricting free speech.

    —————
    No Trump is just being a blustering blowhard. Those that choose to jump like monkeys over everything he says are making their own free choice to do so.

  85. Do you want us to burn the White House down (again) ???

    -Signed,

    Canada

  86. bd233 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 12:47 pm
    You want to blame Donald Trump because you are the media. But the real reason is the money lost due to fan boycotts.

    ^^^this^^^

    If Trump had instead said he was in support of the protests the money isdue still would have dictated the owners to stop them.

  87. kairn42 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 1:11 pm
    Hey Dennis Carson…

    “I work in a high school and it drives me nuts when they are doing the Pledge of Allegiance in the morning and kids are sitting down being disrespectful. There’s no reason for it”

    You should look up ‘West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette’ The SCOTUS has already ruled that no government official, nor any school employee can legally force you to stand or recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

    Interestingly enough, the anthem also falls under this ruling.

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    Did I mention forcing anyone to do anything? I didn’t say it should be a law. It’s like respecting your elders or any other thing to do with manners and common courtesy. Parents should teach their kids to be respectful. When I see a kid doing that, my mind automatically goes to the parents not teaching them respect.

  88. Alan Kalleberg says:
    May 24, 2018 at 1:22 pm
    This illegitimate president has done more to dishonor the Flag than any football player in the NFL.

    —————
    The only people opposed to elections are the people that arent getting their way via them.

  89. Understanding there is a consequence is the foundation of good behavior. In the absence of fear of repercussions, our society would degrade into anarchy
    ——
    Exactly why religion was invented…..

  90. So, I guess I can see which side of the political aisle most people on here are, with most of the Trump bashing comments having a lot of thumbs ups and the comments saying the players should stand having mostly thumbs downs. And the fact that all of the Trump bashing comments have been allowed tells me something about the people that run the site, also, but whatever.

  91. eldoradogeorge says:
    May 24, 2018 at 1:19 pm
    NFL owners and their plantation mentality.

    ———————
    Are you sure the pay scale was the same on Plantations? And doesnt the option on an NFL team to be able to just refuse the pay and leave make for a significant difference?

  92. “He didn’t set any standard. He didn’t broadly apply anything. He just opened his mouth and let his brain string together some words he thinks people want to hear. None of it carries any weight.”
    “Please stop giving this goon more credit or power than he deserves.”

    ======================================================================
    Said the German citizen in 1933.

  93. There are two simple responses to this issue. First off, you don’t want to deal with the police then stay out of trouble. Football players obviously don;t get this concept since a large percentage have legal issues to begin with. Second, when black athletes, black people in general and dumb ass liberals realize that the root of the problem with blacks is family structure, or lack thereof, then maybe they will get somewhere. The lack of family structure, the lack of a father figure, the high teen pregnancy rates among black women, the poor parenting, the lack of education of black parents, these are all the issues, not the white people. When blacks look in the mirror and blame themselves and stop blaming other people, maybe, just maybe things will improve for them. As for Mike Florio, your an idiot

  94. Spoken like a true liberal, Florio: “if you don’t agree with my opinion, you’re wrong and you’re evil.”

    Get off your soapbox and back to football, or go work for CNN. Trump is allowed to have an opinion just like you – he’s not making it law.

    Your point about people waiting in line to get a hot dog is hilarious…until recently, when it became Obama-era cool to be unpatriotic, people stopped in their tracks, removed their hats, placed their hands over their hearts, and paid respect to the anthem.

    What you don’t realize, is that in MOST places in the country…they still do.

  95. This illegitimate president has done more to dishonor the Flag than any football player in the NFL.
    —–
    Why? All he did was insinuate our election system (and foundation of our democracy) was untrustworthy if he lost, grabbed a few crotches, paid a few hookers, jumped in bed with Russia, and treated pretty much anyone who disagreed with him like crap. What’s wrong with that? It’s kind of entertaining having a man with the disposition of a spoiled 5 year old as president.

  96. “And now that he has gotten his wish to “get that son of a bitch off the field” (a line borrowed from an FDR fireside chat, possibly)”

    LOL but if FDR had said this it probably would have been about Hitler, not random pro athletes. Good times…

  97. ahummler72 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 11:55 am
    Cmon….. talking about dramatizing. It’s simple don’t kneel during the anthem.

    ———————————————————————————-

    Cmon….. talking about dramatizing. It’s simple just sit in the back of the bus.

  98. whatjusthapped says:

    May 24, 2018 at 1:06 pm

    I don’t get it, Trump often (some say all the time) just says things to get people riled up. I think the better strategy is to just ignore him and not further the story. But it seems the Press cannot help themselves including this web site.
    ____________________________________________________
    It reminds me of the old Parcells quote on TO…”He sucks you guys in, consider yourself sucked”

  99. I agree with everything Florio says that fans should be doing. If I am outside of the stadium and hear the National Anthem start, I stop and face the flag. If I’m walking up the walkway on the outside of the stadium, I stop and face the flag. If I do sing along (not often), I sing ONLY the words of the Anthem. And I do NOT start clapping or put my hat back on until AFTER the Anthem stops. I definitely do NOT start clapping when the singer belts out a high mid-song note. Stand up, remove your hat, put your phone away, and stand still for the entire length of the Anthem. C’mon. How hard is this??

  100. Dude, you’re supposed to be a lawyer!!!

    Neither Trump nor the NFL “created a broad anthem standard.” That standard already existed. Congress created it decades ago:

    36 U.S. Code § 301 – National anthem
    US Code

    (a)Designation.—
    The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

    (b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—

    (1) when the flag is displayed—

    (A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;

    (B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and

    (C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

    (2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

    The “standard” as explained above is voluntary as it relates to instructions from the government. Review your law school notes on statutory construction for the definition of “should” if you’re confused.

    The NFL is free to formalize those requirements for the teams and players as employees of the league. Nothing the NFL can do would force disrespectful fans in the stands or at the concession booth into complying. The league is not going to penalize the Eagles if one of its fans is mowing down a bucket of chili cheese fries during the anthem. Get serious.

  101. People have lost all perspective. We stand for the Natl Anthem–Its just common courtesy to do so. Men hold the door for women. We say “Please” and “thank you”. we respect our elders. Its called decorum. We actually stand for the Canadian National Anthem at Pen’s games. You do it out of respect and tradition. To disrespect the anthem is just a dick move.The entire thing was thought up by crazy ass douche bags in Berkley CA. I have no problem with protests, but keep in mind the owners have rights too–to not sign players they don’t want. It works both ways. This whole thing was joke from the beginning. I’m glad Kapernick is not on a roster. This ruined NFL experience for lots of people.

  102. snowlock2013 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 1:09 pm
    It almost sounds like you might be a democrat, Florio.

    ———-

    So what if he is? I guess he’s not allowed to have an opinion and write it? If he is will you stop reading this website?

  103. This President, as every prior President, does not control the entire country nor our thoughts.
    In that regard it matters not what any President’s opinion is.

  104. I love seeing the ignorance of the Trumpers on here, with their so-called “patriotism”. Nothing is farther from the truth as they aren’t even close to being patriots! Trump supporters are a joke to the United States of America and all of those who truly fought for our freedoms.

    I wasn’t Hillary’s biggest fan either, but she got it right when referring to this group as a “basket of deplorables.” Time to dump them into the wastebasket of history!!!!

  105. nenlain says:
    May 24, 2018 at 12:58 pm
    getout1
    May 24, 2018, 12:17 PM EDT
    nenlain says:
    May 24, 2018 at 11:55 am
    Oh no, the draft dodger has spoken. Oh no…
    ———
    I assume you served?
    ————

    Yeah. What does that have to do with Trump being a draft dodger?

    /boggle
    —————-
    Do you know what draft dodger is? I assume you also are too scared to serve your country, so by your definition Bill Clinton was a “Draft Dodger”; some education- a Draft Dodger is a man whom left the country or refused to report( illegally), those who aquired legal deferments are not draft dodgers. Vietnam was a war with whom many did not believe we should be involved, much less die for. I myself did not believe it to be a war worth dying for (note I was to young to be drafted), so I’m not questioning anyones decision Not to die for a unnecessary war.

  106. tsd2007 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 1:54 pm

    People have lost all perspective. We stand for the Natl Anthem–Its just common courtesy to do so. Men hold the door for women. We say “Please” and “thank you”. we respect our elders. Its called decorum. We actually stand for the Canadian National Anthem at Pen’s games. You do it out of respect and tradition. To disrespect the anthem is just a dick move.

    ——————–

    Yes it’s common courtesy. But holding the door, respecting elders, and saying “please” or “thank you” are not politically linked activities…while singing an anthem and saluting a flag are.

    And while we’re talking about perspective and tradition, the original practice was not to play the anthem at sporting events at all. It’s a pretty silly tradition. Far more important traditions are American freedom of expression and freedom of belief, and I’ll take those over good manners any day.

  107. This has nothing to do with patriotism and everything to do with nationalism. Those who point out the inequality and inequity of society and fight against it are the true patriots.

  108. So what standards do you have? What do you actually see that makes America the greatest?
    ======

    1492 through the Reagan administration..

  109. I wasn’t Hillary’s biggest fan either, but she got it right when referring to this group as a “basket of deplorables.” Time to dump them into the wastebasket of history!!!!
    =======

    Yeah, rocket scientist she was… trying to start a war with Russia DURING the election.

  110. Yes, they should stand up for the national anthem, if they come out of the locker room. If they want to stay in the locker room, I think that’s best for everyone. Again, in 1999, at Manti High School, we won a championship and we stayed in the locker room every time.

  111. Awesome! Yes, everyone please rise for the national anthem, just as EVERY PA announcer dictates prior to playing the anthem. It’s taboo to ignore the anthem and makes you look like an inconsiderate fool. Those who kneel represent a generation of people who were raised entitled.

  112. If all athletes & coaches must stand for the Anthem & show proper respect, then all fans & stadium workers in attendance should do the same. Florio mentioned Chiefs fans– how about Chicago Blackhawks fans? They literally clap, cheer & scream throughout the entire Anthem. The NHL needs to craft a policy to outlaw that. And if any fans choose the continue that disrespectful tradition, then the Blackhawks organization should throw those SOB’s out of the stadium. Or maybe out of the country.

  113. Enough with bringing politics and social justice to football. I for one am sick of hearing about it.

  114. theyearofthecat1 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 2:14 pm

    I wasn’t Hillary’s biggest fan either, but she got it right when referring to this group as a “basket of deplorables.” Time to dump them into the wastebasket of history!!!!

    ——

    Trump is the only President in decades that has actually put American interests ahead of the rest of the world. The Chinese have been robbing us blind since Bill Clinton’s term….and Bush and Obama did nothing to make things better. between the exodus of jobs and the trade imbalance its is almost criminal. And this whole time the establishment has enriched themselves. Trump may be a bombastic narcissist….but he is at least placing the interests of average Americans over others.

  115. Greatest President of all time. It’s about time a true Patriot held office instead of an anti-American

  116. allsyntax says:
    May 24, 2018 at 2:30 pm

    “Those who kneel represent a generation of people who were raised entitled.”
    ————

    Your syntax is spot-on but your reasoning is flawed. I saw a picture of a 97 y/o WWII vet kneeling and I don’t represent the “generation”. Get my point? The entirety of your conclusion immediately invalidates it.

  117. only employees need to adhere to employers wishes, not paying customers…. SHould everybody be at their seats, standing for the National Anthem, sure but that is not a practical matter. First off you would have to get the damn cheap ass owners to open more gates so fans can get to their seats before kick-off…..

  118. nhpats says:
    May 24, 2018 at 3:02 pm
    ….but he is at least placing the interests of average Americans over others.

    _________________________________________

    Don’t be fooled like most Trumpers. He is putting the interests of Trump and the elite first, and could give a crap about the average American.

    It floors me to think that many working-class Americans put their trust in the most egotistical of the elite billionaires. Then again, he was elected because he is a reality TV star, which says a lot about Trumpers.

  119. Bitter much? I’m sorry your candidate didn’t win Florio (not really), but it’s about time your side accepts it and moves on. The constant attempts to delegitimize his presidency grow more and more tiresome every day. It wasn’t the Russians that got him elected. It wasn’t a fluke. It wasn’t a scam. It was the Electoral College process, as it should be. Start putting together your platform for 2018’s midterms if you want to invoke change.

  120. If you are the HC of a visiting team or even at home, why not take all the time you can with team for various reasons and stay off the field in the locker room? Winning the game is the money side of it(jobs are at stake each week). The coach has to do everything they can to put his team in position to win.

    Say it’s pouring down rain with blustering winds for a Sunday night game in Seattle in December…why would a HC force his team’s to stand around in those conditions , just wait until they have to be on the field for kickoff.

  121. After 8 years of the most Leftist President the country has ever seen it is hard for the Lefties to get used to the idea that most people in the country are not that extreme.

  122. Pure sour grapes from Florio. This idea that Trump supporters are on one side of this issue and everyone else is on the other is BS. This has nothing to do with the President or politics. It’s about using the flag at an event you are hosting and/or performing at and a bunch of other people who are just in attendance. The people using the flag and placing it in front of them hold a higher degree of responsibility.

  123. Watching celebrity lefties (that’s you Florio) use their platforms to criticize President Trump is my favorite part of the day. Take all the swipes you want liberals. He is here to stay and you will keep crying in your cereal.

  124. nhpats says:
    May 24, 2018 at 3:21 pm
    After 8 years of the most Leftist President the country has ever seen it is hard for the Lefties to get used to the idea that most people in the country are not that extreme.
    ———————————————————–

    Actually, contrary to what you Righties think (and that includes the current Electoral College elected President), most people in this Country do believe in Freedom of Speech. If that were not the case, the current President would not have lost the popular vote by millions of votes.

    Apparently you Righties do not believe in Freedom of Speech. In theory you are not entitled to your own Constitution, but the cowardly Righties that make up the majority in Congress, and in the Supreme Court, may feel differently about that.

  125. I don’t understand why this is SUCH a big deal! The business made a new policy, and, whether you like policies or not; you FOLLOW the policy if you are an employee! The 1st Amendment does NOT allow you to do/say anything you want! See how long you last in the workplace telling women nice A** or calling people Ni**ers in the workplace. Most people respect each other too much to do such things. I’d hope we respect our country enough to show reverence to it.

    Florio; A customer (fan) does not have to follow the same policies as the employee. So you’re liberal view does not hold much water. Trump’s free to speak his opinion… And, ya, If you can’t show reverence or respect to the country that fights for you; maybe you shouldn’t be here.

  126. This is what ive been saying all along. Youll never make that man happy…he has a vendetta against the NFL because he wasnt allowed to be an owner, and nothing they do will ever make him happy so I dont know why the NFL budged to him.

  127. I am a Trump supporter and dislike the kneeling protest at the games during the anthem. My preference is that they stand and salute the Men & Women who protect them (not to mention fought for their freedom to protest), however if they feel the need to stay in the locker room, it’s up to them. If the league or their teams decided to impose suspensions/fines that would be fine too (the stating in locker room is kind of a half measure but whatever, I’ll take it.

    With all that said, it is time for Trump to take a step back from this issue, it is meddling and whether I agree with him or not, is bad optics for a POTUS to say what is or is not patriotic (in the context he is using). If I owned a team the players would either stand to salute the flag or stay in the locker room. If they refused I’d trade or cut them; however, if anyone tried prosecuting them for kneeling I would protest on their behalf despite disagreeing with them. THAT is what free speech is….

  128. Trump’s comments on this matter instantly earn a place in the 10 dumbest things a President has ever said in history. This is a play to his base and it is sad that the NFL provided him the platform for his continued divisive comments. Goodell and co are COWARDS

  129. Florio raises a good point whether you want to admit it or not. Why hold the athletes to a higher standard than the fans, vendors or people watching on tv. If you don’t stand and salute the way that someone wants you to, then you are not patriotic right? What is the difference on whether it is on the field or in the line for nachos. Either way by the definition that the president has stated, then every person is disrespecting the flag and the country.

    The difference is that the most adamant defenders of patriotism don’t like what the athlete’s are protesting. They don’t agree that it is an issue at all. That is why this is such a big issue. Athletes have been sitting or absent for the anthem for years, but now it is unpatriotic because people do not like the point that they are trying to make.

    The league (Roger Goodell) then saw the bottom line attendance result and made a decision. Reports coming out now that it wasn’t even a vote and it is already clear by the Jets, 49ers and Raiders that it wasn’t unanimous.

  130. “Maybe you shouldn’t be in the country.”

    – Said pretty much everyone to Trump

  131. cobrala2 says:
    May 24, 2018 at 2:08 pm
    This President, as every prior President, does not control the entire country nor our thoughts.
    In that regard it matters not what any President’s opinion is.

    =====================

    Im not sure youve met his base….

  132. In 1943, the United State Supreme Court ruled in ‘West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette’ that government officials cannot force anyone to participate in patriotic rituals, including the Pledge of Allegiance. No public school employee – no teacher, vice principal, coach or superintendent – can legally force you to say the Pledge or stand for the Pledge. They also cannot punish you for refusing to participate.

    “If there is any fixed star in our Constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.”
    – The Supreme Court of the United States, 1943

    Forced patriotism is the opposite of freedom.
    Welcome to Fascism.

  133. “One of the common arguments raised regarding on-the-job NFL anthem protests relates to the notion that, for most people, this kind of behavior would not be tolerated in their workplaces, and that the First Amendment rights the players hope to exercise on the sidelines don’t restrict private employers from establishing workplace rules that prohibit it. Regardless of whether those arguments have any real merit”

    Lets talk about this…this is not a “notion” its a legal precedent that makes the players’ rights argument DOA. As a lawyer, I assume you’d easily be able to see this. Employee’s of a private entity (NFL) are not afforded the same workplace rights as those in the public sector.

  134. Trump didn’t set any standard. He just commented on it to score some points with his base and the NFL did exactly what he wanted them to in their immediate reaction, ultimately hurting themselves and exacerbating the need for a policy change if they didn’t want to hemorrhage even more money.

    By previously allowing the protests, the NFL tacitly endorsed them (even though they categorically did NOT grant a right to the players to protest) and fans voted with their wallet against that. Yes, I know some of you think that’s not the case, but if it wasn’t, the NFL would not have made a policy change.

    I think the players should realize that that’s not really a bad thing. What purpose does kneeling during the anthem even serve anymore? Awareness is no longer an issue. All the protests were serving to do is polarize people. Why not move on to protests that don’t come off as a disrespectful virtue signalling fad, such as protesting at police stations where you believe people have been treated unfairly (or worse)?

    Because from this side, it doesn’t look like “Let’s make sure the cases where an officer who did act inappropriately is punished for it.” (which very few people would disagree with). It looks like “Agree completely with us or you’re a racist pig who likes People of Color being murdered, and here’s a middle finger for your country and flag too.”

  135. dumbaseinstien says:

    May 24, 2018 at 12:38 pm

    It’s nice that the President is willing to say what the majority of the American people think…
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    I don’t know where you learned math (maybe Trump University) but 35% does not equal a majority. The majority cannot wait to be rid of this clown.

  136. Still amazed that the man who ran an entire campaign on saying “America sucks” has the gall to accuse others of insufficient national pride.

  137. MrGschwind says:
    May 24, 2018 at 2:23 pm
    This has nothing to do with patriotism and everything to do with nationalism. Those who point out the inequality and inequity of society and fight against it are the true patriots.
    _____________________________________________________

    That’s right.

    And those who fabricate inequality and inequity out of thin air to feed their own anger issues or draw attention to themselves or make money are demons from the pit of hell.

    It’s a fine line, bub, but the vast majority of SJWs like to paint with a very broad brush. And those of us who get caught up in that broad stroke are sick and tired of it. That’s why you don’t get the kind of glowing, loving comments you’d like to see on forums like this.

    Either FOCUS or knock it off entirely, because you SJWs just look like flaming balls of raging hatred right about now. I’ll speak for myself when I say I’m not amused.

  138. If the national anthem is so sacred, why isn’t it mandated at churches every week, and fans mandated to stand and take off their hats, whether at the game, at home or at a sports bar?

    I vote do totally ELIMINATE it from sporting events other than the Olympics, which is understandable. Again, if it’s that sacred,
    make workers sing it as they arrive each day, not just football and basketball players.

  139. Exactly right.

    All concessions should be closed.

    If you’re found anywhere in the stadium except standing at your seat with your hand over your heart you should be tossed and banned.

    If you’re at your seat not standing, or with your hat still on, or eating, or looking at your phone, or talking, you should be tossed and banned.

    Make sense to everyone?

  140. valentre says:
    May 24, 2018 at 1:24 pm
    Oh, look at the uneducated clicking masses. I have challenge: Go to your job, don’t do it and protest. See what happens and see what your lawsuit result is
    ————-

    These players are “doing their jobs.” They just aren’t participating in an irrelevant pre-ceremony.

    I work for a huge corporation. We have meetings. No one forces us to pray or salute any symbols or anything similar.

    My manager is a veteran. So is his boss and his boss (GM and COO). When the protests started he actually called a meeting and expressed his support for peaceful protest and his belief that his service was in support of the rights of the protesters. he talked about how no matter what our beliefs as individuals, that we were united as a team and he loved and respected all of us. He didn’t call anyone SOBs or throw a tantrum, maybe because he actually served and wasn’t a draft-dodging false patriot.

  141. Another person who should not be in the country is someone that does not do anything about Russian meddling in the 2016 elections, even though there is clear evidence and who seems to treat Putin like his best buddy. Trump is a traitor to this country and should not be in this country.

  142. Please ask #45 why he is so patriotic now?? What happen to your patriotism when you avoided the draft several times? Why were your casinos and hotels full of minorities that you now want out of the country? Funny how your views change just to benefit yourself.

    Your buddy Goodell will end up in court again for not having a union rep at the table when putting this piece of garbage policy into effect. Get ready haters because the union will tell players to do whatever you want during the anthem if this is not resolved by the start of the season.

  143. For all the “maga’s“ out there. At what point do you come to your senses ? How much evidence do you need? You’re on the wrong side of history and I STRONGLY suggest that you read about how the nazis consolidated power in Germany. I think you might see some familiar behavior between yourselves and the German people.

  144. xdolfan says:

    Forced patriotism is fascism.

    ———————————————————————————/

    Bravo!! 👏🏼

  145. whywerule says:
    May 24, 2018 at 3:49 pm
    nhpats says:
    May 24, 2018 at 3:21 pm
    After 8 years of the most Leftist President the country has ever seen it is hard for the Lefties to get used to the idea that most people in the country are not that extreme.
    ———————————————————–

    Actually, contrary to what you Righties think (and that includes the current Electoral College elected President), most people in this Country do believe in Freedom of Speech. If that were not the case, the current President would not have lost the popular vote by millions of votes.

    Apparently you Righties do not believe in Freedom of Speech. In theory you are not entitled to your own Constitution, but the cowardly Righties that make up the majority in Congress, and in the Supreme Court, may feel differently about that.
    —————–
    And just how do you think the “Righties” own the majority in the house and the senate? If you had any real understanding of the electoral college, then you know it’s place because this country is meant to “HEAR” all voices not just a simple majority. That is why 60 million people out of 122 million voted for Trump, it prevents the cess pool of big cities go from governing the whole country…read up on it, I’m sure this would not have been a problem if “Your” guy had won in that fashion…

  146. 1. America is never greater than when a protester burns the flag. Our acceptance of it is our way of showing we are bigger/greater than any other country. Despots and bullies worry about slights and demand respect. Ironic since if you need to demand it, you aint got it.

    2.Wetzel’s position is silly IMO. The president did not say or even infer anything about forcibly removing anyone from the country. The president excels at saying dumb things. He doesnt need help from the White House press corps, Pelosi or Wetzel.

    3. Your position that customers should be subject to the same rules as employees is equally silly.

    4. But no position is as silly and indefensible as that of the players on several fronts. Going back to the original Kaepernick position, he was protesting the actions of a few bad cops by insulting all cops. This would be like NFL fans refusing to attend NFL games because of the actions of a few players. I am sure Kaepernick does not want to be lumped in with Ray Rice or the rest of the small percentage of NFL players who rape or batter women. So he should know better than to paint cops with a similar broad brush. The players are paid a percentage of certain revenue. In this regard they are more like partners than employees. It is not unreasonable to demand that your partner not act in a manner that is destructive to your common business interests. As employees it is even more straight forward. Generally speaking,employees are hired to advance the business. If an employee acts in a manner that hurts business, why would you keep them? As for their right to protest, it has limits. Protestors cannot break windows or burn down my business. They cannot forcefully take over a tv station to get their protest on the air. So why should the players be allowed to damage the image and business of the NFL and the broadcasters without their permission?

  147. We should do away with national anthems at all sporting events. Let’s establish a doctrine of separation of recreation and state. Honestly, if we as a country need to have people singing off-key, half-hearted homage to the country at these events on a daily basis, are we really any better than countries like Russia or North Korea where everyone is forced to behave as though patriotic? I’ve no problem if it’s done at the Army-Navy game or on holidays like the 4th of July. But every game every day? What are we afraid of?

  148. “Another person who should not be in the country is someone that does not do anything about Russian meddling in the 2016 elections, even though there is clear evidence and who seems to treat Putin like his best buddy. Trump is a traitor to this country and should not be in this country.”

    You seem to be describing Obama but call Trump a traitor??? It was Obama who was president during that election and was told of Russian interference while it was happening. No one is reporting it but if you recall all the accolades heaped on the first Obama campaign for changing campaigning forever by their modern use of the internet, it was because they were doing what evolved into what the Russians did in ’16. It was also Obama who ridiculed Mitt Romney for saying that Russia was still our primary threat. Meanwhile it has been the current administration that has pressured Facebook and other social media players to know who is using their platforms for political purposes. So I think you got it backwards. Trump does enough wrong that you dont have to make stuff up to knock him. It only hurts your credibility.

  149. The irony, the purpose of the protest was to bring awareness to police brutality (public servants). It is very difficult for me to be PROUD of the country that we have become. We are the bullies of the world spreading peace and democracy wherever they have natural resources or something else of value. Don’t you find it weird that we live in a society that is trained to be scared of the public servants, and if you are not, you are not a good american. Really.

  150. getout1 says:
    May 25, 2018 at 8:53 am
    —————–
    And just how do you think the “Righties” own the majority in the house and the senate?
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    The Righties have a majority in the House and many state legislatures, for now, due to gerrymandering and suppression of voter rights. That is not a secret. Yet that has nothing to do with the fact that Trump lost the popular vote by millions of votes, against an unpopular candidate, or that the Righties in the legislative branch have been complicit in their cowardice to not exercise their actual constitutional duty to be a co-equal branch of government. There are some notable exceptions of courage with John McCain being the preeminent one.

  151. I was always taught that when you have a job and while the boss is paying you to be there you follow his/her rules. During your off hours you can do as you please, but when you are on the clock you do what you’re told. Guess that’s not the way it works anymore.

  152. polishpiper says:

    May 24, 2018 at 4:06 pm

    I don’t understand why this is SUCH a big deal! The business made a new policy, and, whether you like policies or not; you FOLLOW the policy if you are an employee! The 1st Amendment does NOT allow you to do/say anything you want! See how long you last in the workplace telling women nice A** or calling people Ni**ers in the workplace. Most people respect each other too much to do such things. I’d hope we respect our country enough to show reverence to it.

    Florio; A customer (fan) does not have to follow the same policies as the employee. So you’re liberal view does not hold much water. Trump’s free to speak his opinion… And, ya, If you can’t show reverence or respect to the country that fights for you; maybe you shouldn’t be here

    Most people do respect others but the only thing Trump respects is his ego, his rich buddies and of course money! To say otherwise is ludicrous, remember this is the man who called a group of countries sh*thole countries, who DOES in fact grope women, has a known history of it and acts extremely inappropriate around them, is very much a racist, hates Obama because of his skin color and you are wrong, it is a big deal but not because of kneeling or not kneeling, the bigger underlying issue is racism, 90% or more? of the players in the NFL are black, so they have a major platform to share the message that racism is, or should no longer be accepted in the country, sadly it is, and at the upper echelons of government and society that is most needed to NOT be! If you tell people what they want to hear long enough and in such a way that excites them, they will begin to believe it more and more, or by distorting the truth and twisting the facts long enough, they will begin to believe.
    The lying liar is lying more and more to cover the lies he has already told, so he can continue to lie.

  153. hakunamangata says: May 24, 2018 at 12:06 pm
    Nothing says respect our country and what it stands for like forcing people to do so against their will.
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    If you work, you will undoubtedly be asked to do something against your will. Like all of us, you’re free to do it or hit the road.

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