DeShone Kizer learning by watching after last year’s trial by fire

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Normally the move from starting quarterback to backup is one that represents a step backward for a player, but that might not be the case for DeShone Kizer.

Kizer got thrown into the lineup by the Browns after being drafted in the second round last year and predictably struggled as part of a team that went 0-16. Kizer threw 11 touchdowns and 22 interceptions while being sacked 38 times and generally looking like a player that needed more seasoning before taking on a starting role.

Kizer will get a chance to obtain some of that seasoning in Green Bay after the March trade that sent him to the Packers. Kizer is now backing up Aaron Rodgers and he talked about the benefits that he sees from being able to watch an established star go about his business.

“This is an opportunity now to see it from a player’s perspective, a guy who’s been in here and experienced success within this league, and do whatever I can to find the intricacies within the game that I can develop myself,” Kizer said, via the Packers website. “… Discipline is everything. I mean, every time the guy takes a rep, every time he takes his drop, it’s the exact same way. If you go back and watch my film, you can see that I was adjusting things throughout the year. Obviously that comes with time.”

Kizer will take what he’s learned from both his trial by fire and observation and try to beat out Brett Hundley as the No. 2 in Green Bay. If he can do that, he may get a regular season chance to see if this approach has bettered his chances of getting another spin in the top job.

52 responses to “DeShone Kizer learning by watching after last year’s trial by fire

  1. I route for all QBs to develop because the NFL has too much below average QB play.

  2. Most scouts thought that this kid could use another year of college ball to refine his skills.
    I think most observers would agree with that assessment after watching his struggles last season.

    The Browns did him absolutely no favors starting him immediately and unprepared on a team with little talent and few playmakers.

    Whether this kid has the skill set and mental faculties to move up in the NFL ranks remains to be seen.
    The Packers removed a cancer, who had worn out his welcome in the locker room to find out.

  3. I think Kizer has more raw talent than Hundley. Hopefully he takes to McCarthy’s coaching and polish the fundamentals. He definitely has a chance to take the two spot if he can learn to work through his progressions correctly.

  4. I’d like to see Kizer get a chance to play a lot this year.

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    Viking fan showing that he knows if the Packers are healthy the Vikings stand zero chance in the NFC North this season.

  5. Browns fan here…. Kizer actually played halfway decent in a few games down the stretch, namely against the Packers and Steelers(against backups mostly in week 17) I think a few years behind Rodgers in GB he can actually develop into a starter in the league. He got beat up every game last year and kept getting back up and trying every game. I’d be happy to see him have a good career

  6. The Browns did him absolutely no favors starting him immediately and unprepared on a team with little talent and few playmakers
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    So if Kizer has to play this year how exactly will it be different than last year?

  7. Rob Brzezinski is a Magician says:
    May 25, 2018 at 4:04 pm
    I’d like to see Kizer get a chance to play a lot this year.
    _________________________

    This doesn’t surprise me one bit.
    I would venture a guess that most Barneys feel the same way.
    It’s in your nature.

  8. He better be ready to go in week 2. Anthony Barr is coming to town. Either the pack will not play Rodgers for fear of him getting hurt again or Rodgers will get hurt again. Good luck Mr. Kiser

  9. Cheese has never seen a packer article he didn’t post on. Worry about your own team buddy….and your $30 mil a year mid-tier qb.

  10. I think Kizer has more raw talent than Hundley. Hopefully he takes to McCarthy’s coaching
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    McCarthy coaching = multiplying by zero

  11. freefromwhatyouare says:
    May 25, 2018 at 4:30 pm

    I’d like to see Kizer get a chance to play a lot this year.

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    Viking fan showing that he knows if the Packers are healthy the Vikings stand zero chance in the NFC North this season.
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    Or Viking fan showing that he knows that the road is a lot easier if Rodgers isn’t playing, but showing no fear of Rodgers’ presence. I would never say the Rodgers-led Packers have zero chance in the NFC North but I still expect them to finish behind the Vikings because of what I’ve observed in recent history. Maybe you should consider having an equal amount of humility so you don’t look so delusional.

  12. Rob Brzezinski is a Magician says:
    May 25, 2018 at 4:04 pm
    I’d like to see Kizer get a chance to play a lot this year.
    ………………………………………………………………………………

    You are going into what, season 58 of the Minnesota team`s annual failed quest to be champion? This is a franchise that is known for it`s frustration, futility, ineptness, embarrassing conference championship game blowouts and even more embarrassing Superbowl beatdowns, and a trophy case that may soon become condemned property due to being blighted. But you go ahead and fret yourself over how much playing time Green Bay`s backup QB is going to get.

  13. Rogers sat behind a guy who wouldn’t give him the time of day. I see the same thing happening with Kizer and Rogers. soon enough Kizer will see he is a bad situation of 3 years and no chance of playing. hard to play better when u don’t get to play.

  14. Goes from Cleveland East to Cleveland West, neither team has much talent on the rosters, poor guy can’t catch a break.

  15. What would that make the Vikings? Until the last couple of years, Cleveland West was pounding on the Vikings with regularity for quite a few years.

    Also, if you follow football, the Cleveland Browns do have some talent on their roster.

  16. freefromwhatyouare says:
    May 25, 2018 at 4:30 pm
    I’d like to see Kizer get a chance to play a lot this year.

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    Viking fan showing that he knows if the Packers are healthy the Vikings stand zero chance in the NFC North this season.

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    Vikings lose their QB after game one and runaway with the North. The pack lose their QB and fall, drop, plummet to third. It really doesn’t matter if the pack is healthy or not, third is the best you can hope for.

  17. Showing no fear of Rodgers presence

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    You show your fear of Rodgers and the Packers in EVERY post you make. We all see it. If you don’t then you are the “delusional” one my friend.

  18. Rob, cheese

    You guys really need to get some kind of life besides waiting for a packer post on this site.

    I think Kizer will do well, he needs a couple of years to learn, the same as any nfl QB, Cleveland was no help.

  19. He’s gotta be better than Hundley was / is. Very unlikely he could be worse.

  20. trapshoot says:
    May 25, 2018 at 6:17 pm
    He’s gotta be better than Hundley was / is. Very unlikely he could be worse.
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    Hey, c’mon now, if Hundley played in Barneyland he’d be considered a franchise QB just like Bridgewater was.

  21. As I’ve said before, many of you Packer fans on this site seem to have no sense of humor. A guy tries to make a cute joke about hoping the other team’s best player doesn’t play very much and you all interpret it as if he’s planning to hide behind the Lambeau Field bleachers with a metal baton and go all Gillooly on Rodgers’ knee. I’m trying to show respect for the greatness of Rodgers, which I’ve clearly stated many times before. I know there are some commenters here who act like they’re hoping for another Rodgers injury but I’m not one of them. I hope he plays all 16 games this year. Sorry you didn’t like the comment, but they can’t all be gems.

  22. freefromwhatyouare says:
    May 25, 2018 at 5:58 pm

    Showing no fear of Rodgers presence

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    You show your fear of Rodgers and the Packers in EVERY post you make. We all see it. If you don’t then you are the “delusional” one my friend.
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    How is that now? I know I’ve never said in a post that I feared Rodgers or the Packers, so clearly you must be “reading between the lines.” I guess if I say something about the Packers having terrible talent, what I really mean is that the Packers have great talent and I’m trying to convince myself that they have terrible talent because of my fear of the Packers. Must be that “reverse psychology” I’ve heard so much about.

  23. I don’t understand the comparisons between starters and back-ups on the Vikings. Rodgers is one of the best QB’s in the league and Hundley is lousy- of course there’s a huge drop-off. Keenum is a better QB than Hundley and performed better, and there really wasn’t much of a drop-off from Bradford.

    Had Keenum performed like Hundley, the Vikings would have had a lot of problems. The Vikings have been fortunate that it’s been addition by subtraction the last couple of years when Bridgewater and Bradford have gone down.

  24. Kizer was put in too soon which didn’t help but McCarthy has almost said it without actually saying it – it’s evident the coaching he DID receive in Cleveland was so poor it’s almost criminal.

    He’s specifically mentioned that he didn’t know what kind of coaching he got in Cleveland but here, we’re working on some things that all QB’s need to go through.

    Closest I’ve ever heard a coach call another out for being inept. They’re literally starting from zero.

    Hue Jackson Probably shouldn’t even been a coordinator…

  25. Rob Brzezinski is a Magician says:
    May 25, 2018 at 6:41 pm

    As I’ve said before, many of you Packer fans on this site seem to have no sense of humor. A guy tries to make a cute joke
    ___________________

    Did you ever consider the possibility that some of the Purples just aren’t funny?
    You actually make salient points in many of your posts , but there’s a vocal bunch of Purples that spout continuous nonsense – and they are proud of it.

    It’s hard to give the benefit of the doubt to a fanbase that blindly supports Jeffrey, Cheese et al.

  26. “I would never say the Rodgers-led Packers have zero chance in the NFC North but….”
    >>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
    Thanks for the compliment? And you're preaching humility? Wow…just wow…

  27. flviking says:
    May 25, 2018 at 5:42 pm
    Vikings lose their QB after game one and runaway with the North. The pack lose their QB and fall, drop, plummet to third. It really doesn’t matter if the pack is healthy or not, third is the best you can hope for.
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    Beating the Packers is the best the Vikings can hope for every year! Think about it……..what winning experience have the Vikings given their fans that feels as good as Packer fans experiencing a SuperBowl victory? Beating the Packers! That’s it! That’s their SuperBowl.

    The Vikings have had three Pro-Bowl caliber performances from their quarterbacks in a row! Combined with a league-leading “vaunted” defense. What do they have to show for it?? NOTHING!!!

    Except perhaps another banner. They should print those “atta-boy” banners on both sides so they can just flip them over. Save some money.

  28. teal379 says:

    Kizer was put in too soon which didn’t help but McCarthy has almost said it without actually saying it – it’s evident the coaching he DID receive in Cleveland was so poor it’s almost criminal.
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    Just what makes you think that McCarthy will do any better? Seriously.

    McCarthy coached Hundley for three years and how did that work out?

    What Hundley did at QB, after 3 years of Mike McCarthy coaching and watching Rodgers, was criminal.

    Why would anyone expect Kizer to get any better watching Rodgers with Mike McCarthy as his head coach?

    Without Rodgers, Mike McCarthy would not be in Green Bay.

  29. wiscypro7 says:
    May 25, 2018 at 4:25 pm
    Hopefully he takes to McCarthy’s coaching and polish the fundamentals.
    —————————
    Clearly you have no grasp of realty.
    McCarthy has zero ability to coach based on that 2017 season.

  30. blameconservatives4everythingbad says:

    Kizer will be better than Cousins and the Vikings can grab another Packer UFA in 2021 as the Vikings desperate attempt to remain relevant in the NFL fails with the Cousins experiment..
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    What drugs are you on?

    Kizer, with McCarthy’s coaching will most likely regress and be out of the NFL by 2021.

    The Vikings were more relevant than the Packers without Cousins. They will be more relevant with Cousins.

    No team in the NFC North/Central has been more consistently relevant than the Vikings. They have never been out of the mix for very long.

    Unlike some teams that take decades off to regroup for a chance to become relevant.

  31. Hey gtodriver, what’s more relevant than 13 championships? It’s called Titletown for a reason.

    But seriously, congrats. Y’all definitely have MORE playoff losses than GB. Yikes.

  32. southpackalacky says:
    May 26, 2018 at 12:03 pm
    Hey gtodriver, what’s more relevant than 13 championships? It’s called Titletown for a reason.

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    The reason its called titletown is because the green bay chamber of Congress “made up” that name in 1961 to make money.

  33. gtodriver says:
    May 26, 2018 at 7:01 am
    teal379 says:

    Kizer was put in too soon which didn’t help but McCarthy has almost said it without actually saying it – it’s evident the coaching he DID receive in Cleveland was so poor it’s almost criminal.
    ###

    Just what makes you think that McCarthy will do any better? Seriously.

    McCarthy coached Hundley for three years and how did that work out?

    What Hundley did at QB, after 3 years of Mike McCarthy coaching and watching Rodgers, was criminal.

    Why would anyone expect Kizer to get any better watching Rodgers with Mike McCarthy as his head coach?

    Without Rodgers, Mike McCarthy would not be in Green Bay.

    ——

    Oh come on already.

    Get your prescription checked for the purple tinted bi-focal horse blinders your wearing.

    Mccarthy hasnt always been the cream of the crop head coach, but coaching up QB’s is a well documented resume of players being better with him that without.

    Favres game improved from The Sherman regime. Aaron Brooks was pretty damn good in NO with Mccarthy, and fell off the map when he left. No way to prove Rodgers but the results have been first rate. Even Matt Flynn seemed to play better in GB than when he was bouncing around.

    One could say Zimmer is a lot like Mccarthy. Defense is his strong suit. Seems to get outcoached in big games. Definitely has a problem with his team quitting.

    I do expect Kizer to improve under Mccarthy. He was a rookie on a team that was historically bad. Probably hard not to.

  34. screamingyellowzonkers says:
    May 26, 2018 at 7:23 am
    wiscypro7 says:
    May 25, 2018 at 4:25 pm
    Hopefully he takes to McCarthy’s coaching and polish the fundamentals.
    —————————
    Clearly you have no grasp of realty.
    McCarthy has zero ability to coach based on that 2017 season.

    ——

    Again.

    Get a clue.

    The guy is a head coach because he has done well historically coaching up QB’s.

    He’s no Bellichek, but no one else is right now.

  35. philcodean says:
    May 25, 2018 at 8:06 pm

    “I would never say the Rodgers-led Packers have zero chance in the NFC North but….”
    >>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
    Thanks for the compliment? And you're preaching humility? Wow…just wow…
    ______

    Nice job taking the quote out of context. The other guy said the Vikings had zero chance in the NFC North, which is a delusional opinion. I said I would never say that about the Packers, then explained why I expected the Vikings to come out on top.

  36. But seriously, congrats. Y’all definitely have MORE playoff losses than GB.

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    Why do the Vikings have more playoff losses?

    Because they actually make the playoffs more often.

    Some teams take decades off from participating in the playoffs of a full regulation season.

    The Vikings never have.

  37. Why do the Vikings have more playoff losses?

    Because they have never been a pressure team and fold like the Vikings in the playoffs.

    I was going to use some other cliche like “fold like a house of cards”, but fold like the Vikings in the playoffs is trending better on twitter.

  38. I’d rather fold in the playoffs than consistently fold during the regular season and not make the playoffs.

    Remind which NFL team is the only one to have gone 25 consecutive full regulation seasons without scoring a single touchdown in the playoffs….

    That is a historic level of futility that will most likely never be matched, much less broken.

  39. A record so specific and spurious that it isn’t even mentioned in the record books or anywhere outside of a single person posting about it on PFT else is unlikely to be broken.

    Nobody remembers anymore that the Redskins went 25 years without a post-season appearance and the Steelers went 24 years without a post-season appearance. What they do remember is that they have won championships, including the Redskins in the strike season, which counts. The Vikings playoff win in that season counts, as does their loss, as do all statistics for that year.

  40. frank booth says:

    Nobody remembers anymore that the Redskins went 25 years without a post-season appearance and the Steelers went 24 years without a post-season appearance.

    Why doesn’t anybody remember those runs? Because they didn’t happen in the Super Bowl era.

    Your Packers (I know you CLAIM to be a Bear fan) are the only team in the Super Bowl era to be so consistently bad.

  41. No. It’s just not a statistic anyone talks about. Lots of teams have had bad runs- the Vikings had a team stacked with Hall-of-Famers and an alleged Hall-of-Fame coach in the 1970’s that stacked up wins in the worst division in the NFL.

    The Vikings are historically (at least from 1961, since they rode in on the coattails of George Halas) one of the consistently best regular season teams in the NFL, and one of its historically (and hysterically) worst post-season performers. Did you know that HOF QB Fran Tarkenton once had a 14.1 rating in a Super Bowl and has a career 58.6 rating in the post-season, throwing more INT’s than TD’s?

    And sorry to disappoint, but still not a Packer fan- just don’t like the Vikings.

  42. frank booth says:

    the Vikings had a team stacked with Hall-of-Famers and an alleged Hall-of-Fame coach in the 1970’s that stacked up wins in the worst division in the NFL.
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    The Vikings did stack up a lot of wins back then, but not in the worst division in the NFL.

    1970 – all three AFC divisions and the NFC West were worse than the NFC Central

    1971 – the AFC Central and the NFC West were worse

    1972 – the AFC West and NFC West were worse

    1973 – the AFC West was worse

    1974 – the AFC West and NFC West were worse

    1975 – the AFC West and NFC West were worse

    1976 – the NFC West was worse

    1977 – the NFC West was worse

    1978 – the NFC West was worse

    1979 – the NFC West was worse

    You’d think that with YOU picking the decade that at least one year you would have been right.

    But you were wrong in all 10 seasons.

    Just because the Vikings won 8 of 10 division championships doesn’t mean the NFC Central was the worst division – it means the Vikings were that good.

    FWIW – the two years the Vikings didn’t win the title – your Packers and Bears each got 1 title (1972 and 1979).

  43. No one said that the Vikings weren’t good in the 1970’s. Of course they were very good, probably one of the best regular season teams in the league for that stretch, and would have still probably won whatever division they were in, but the Bears, Packers, and Lions of the 1970’s were bad for the most part. The Vikings didn’t make the playoffs just because they were in an easy division. No one said that.

    I should have clarified, since the whole point was that the Vikings were the beneficiary of poor division rivals- after the division winner in each division, the remaining teams of the Central were consistently worse than in any other division. It’s just an opinion. I didn’t realize that you would take the comment so literally.

    Whatever happened in each division per year has no real bearing on the argument, and unless you are using some sort of methodology that accounts for strength of schedule and several other factors, all you’ve done is provided a year-by-year opinion, especially if all you’ve done is added up wins and losses or are going by win percentage. I’m sorry you did all that research for nothing, but it does show an unhealthy need to prove someone wrong. However, you can easily have a team that is the worst or best over any decade, without having been the worst or best in any particular year. It may be the case that the Central wasn’t the worst division in the 1970’s. If not, then I suppose I’m wrong- but I don’t know how you are going to prove that out.

    I had already said that the Vikings are historically one of the best teams in the NFL, and one of it’s worst playoff performers. Both appear to be true.

  44. “I should have clarified, since the whole point was that the Vikings were the beneficiary of poor division rivals- after the division winner in each division, the remaining teams of the Central were consistently worse than in any other division.”

    Except they weren’t. The Vikings NFC Central opponents were never worse than the the opponents of the other divisions.

    Just using 1970 as an example, Bottom three teams in the other 5 divisions:

    AFC East – Jets 4-10, Bills 3-10-1, Patriots 2-12

    AFC Central – Browns 7-7, Steelers 5-9, Oilers 3-10-1

    AFC West – Chiefs 7-5-2, Chargers 5-6-3, Broncos 5-8-1

    NFC East – Cardinals 8-5-1, Redskins 6-8, Eagles 3-10-1

    NFC West – Rams 9-4, Falcons 4-8-2, Saints 2-11-1

    Now lets compare that to the NFC Central…

    Lions 10-4, Bears 6-8, Packers 6-8

    The WORST record in the NFC Central was 6-8 – yet every other division had teams with worse records.

    “I had already said that the Vikings are historically one of the best teams in the NFL, and one of it’s worst playoff performers. Both appear to be true.”

    You’re half right. The Vikings are historically one of the best teams in the NFL.

    The Vikings are tied with Miami with 20 playoff victories.

    That’s more than the Rams, Bears, Seahawks, Titans, Ravens, Bills, Jets, Browns, Chargers, Falcons, Chiefs, Panthers, Saints, Lions, Cardinals, Jaguars, Bucs, Bengals and Titans.

    Which proves that they have had more success in the playoffs than more than half of the NFL teams.

  45. If one’s idea of post-season success is losing the most games, having the most first-round exits, being 26th in playoff win percentage, losing 4 Super Bowls and not being in a Super Bowl for over 40 years, choking in big games and squandering multiple opportunities, then you’re right, the Vikings are a post-season success story.

    I look forward to an NFL Network documentary on the Vikings’ and their historical mastery of the playoffs.

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