Fired Giants equipment staffers “did not see this coming”

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Less than two weeks after settling a four-year-old lawsuit arising from allegations of fraudulent memorabilia, the Giants fired three members of their equipment staff. Two of them were surprised.

Via Ryan Dunleavy of NJ.com, equipment director Joe Skiba and assistant equipment director Ed Skiba did not expect to be fired.

Joe and Ed did not see this coming,” attorney Gerald Krovatin told Dunleavy. “They are two stand-up guys, and they stood tall throughout the four difficult years of this lawsuit. They remain very grateful for the 20-plus years they were able to work with the players, coaches and everyone else in the Giants organization.”

Though not said expressly by Krovatin, the Skibas also may be surprised because they cooperated with the lawsuit, saying what needed to be said to push back against the allegations. But it’s hardly uncommon for a company to rally around the employees whose conduct gave rise to a lawsuit, ensuring their cooperation with the reality of ongoing employment and the vague promise that the relationship will continue until the case goes away. And then the employees whose behavior fell at the heart of the lawsuit go away, too.

Absent a settlement agreement of their own that gives the Skibas severance pay in exchange for silence, the Giants may have to worry about what Joe and Ed Skiba may say.

Consider this exchange of text messages from May 2016 between the Skibas, as reported last year by the Washington Post.

“I hate it here,” Joe Skiba said to Ed Skiba. “Guys who mow the lawn make more.”

“[Our] raises are because they are paying our legal fees,” Ed Skiba replied.

Joe Skiba suggested that he was considering requesting overtime, “Cause my insights on the case cost money now.”

Ed Skiba said at one point that it’s “[n]ot even worth it.”

“For me it is,” Joe Skiba replied. “I’ll tell the whole f–king world the truth.”

Maybe now Joe Skiba will. Or at least his version of it.

94 responses to “Fired Giants equipment staffers “did not see this coming”

  1. Maybe the Skiba’s should learn what not to put in texts. The level of stupidity in most people never ceases to amaze me.

    BTW…the Skiba’s havent been 2 time SB MVP’s. That’s why they’re gone and Eli isnt.

  2. They cooperated in the scam thinking they were part of the team. Fools. They were always going to take the fall. The Giants and Eli knew what was happening because it’s common practice.
    The only way you can be sure if an item was worn in the game is if the player hands it to you while still on the field. I feel bad for the Skiba’s
    But they were disposable while the Giants wanted it all to go away quietly. No back splash on the Mara’s.

  3. Well, you didnt expect them to fire Eli did you?
    The ring leader always gets away

  4. I do not see an angle where the Giants organization looks good by doing this.

    Regardless, if all parties involved spoke the Truth everything would work itself out.

  5. Manning has made north of 100 million dollars in his career. Why on earth would he even be involved in this?

  6. They should write a book about the sports memorabilia market and how that “Certificate of Authenticity” from Steiner Sports is worthless.

    Steiner is contracted with all the NY sports teams and has been selling Derek Jeter game worn jock straps for years.

    This deception goes all the way to team ownership, who gets a fee allowing Steiner to stick “The Official Memorabilia Distributor” of the Giants/Yankees/Knicks etc. on all the stuf they peddle at at huge mark-up.

    Nothing is real unless you, yourself, get it first hand.

  7. Selling phony game items and autographs is ancient practice in sports. Same with the movie industry. Studios, actors and actresses often had staff sign autographs and photos for them. Charles Bronson had his secretary do it for him for years. There’s a ton of Mickey Mantle autographed baseballs out there that he never touched. Same with every major player. Players used to joke that clubhouse personnel would sit around with boxes of baseballs and sign them for players. Open secret.

  8. I think this shows if you cooperate with the league during an investigation like Eli did, the likely outcome will be positive. However, if you try to obstruct the investigation like Brady by destroying his cell phone then outcome will not be very positive.

  9. “the Skiba’s havent been 2 time SB MVP’s. That’s why they’re gone and Eli isnt.”

    While it obviously makes a difference it shouldn’t. Eli should certainly be getting a suspension from the league.

    In RI fraud over $500 is a felony. All these guys should be headed to jail cells the same way someone who passes bad checks or any other kind of criminal fraud.

  10. These guys almost certainly signed NDAs where they would face lawsuits from the Giants organization if they said anything about the case and the guilt of Manning to the media; and those NDAs are not uncommon in any business, so I do not point out the NDAs as a knock against the Giants organization.

  11. Someone in the league office should be fired for not investigating this. Fraud took place, and it is completely ridiculous that Goodell swept it all under the rug.

    Thanks Lisa Friel, corrupt Giants super fan.

  12. I love how the fake Pats fan actually says Eli cooperated no he didn’t he paid out a settlement before trial he didn’t cooperate with anything. Eli gets away with things because of his last name and the lackeys can’t support their families anymore. Fake gear is an open secret but to rip off millions of dollars single handedly that’s a rarity.

  13. Where does the nonsense about Archie Manning having special NFL power come from? He is a guy who retired more than 30 years ago, who didn’t come close to making the Hall of Fame, who never was 1st or 2nd team All Pro, only made the Pro Bowl twice, and never played in a playoff game. He hasn’t been a coach, GM, league executive, or broadcaster. He isn’t an executive with Nike or another sporting goods company. His main claim to fame is he was a very successful college player who then had a good (for his era) but nowhere near great career for a pro team near his college. His secondary claim to fame is he has two sons who had far more success than him in the NFL.

    The NFL, like all pro sports leagues, treats its star players better than lesser players. They are entertainment businesses trying to sell tickets and indirectly sell advertising spots on their games. So long as league management doesn’t think a player is damaging the league, they won’t fine him or suspend him.

    Serious football fans understandably might take strong offense to a player being involved in selling fake supposedly game worn equipment. But most casual fans and even lots of serious fans couldn’t care less. That doesn’t make it right that Manning or other players could be ripping off memorabilia buyers, but most ticket buyers and TV game watchers don’t care.

  14. Super bowl champion eagles fan here eli is no carson wentz on or off the field of this we thank howie fly eagles fly

  15. As a fan who occasionally/less and less these days buys gear, i’d love to have the lid blown off and see how deep this rabbit hole goes. Alas, i’m not holding my breath.

  16. I wonder what the Mannings do with the money they charge for attending the passing academy. 750 bucks per day plus administration fees. Do they donate it to charity? I mean they’ve made a fortune playing football. You’d think, since their royalty they’d do this to help some young kid aspire to their dreams. But, it’s always about the money with these frauds.

  17. nflviewer says:
    May 26, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    The NFL, like all pro sports leagues, treats its star players better than lesser players.
    —————————-

    Tell that to Tom Brady, who was falsely accused of, and subsequently suspended for, something so ridiculous, that it boggles the mind that anyone actually went along with the scam, much less believed it.

  18. nflviewer says:
    May 26, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    So long as league management doesn’t think a player is damaging the league, they won’t fine him or suspend him.
    Serious football fans understandably might take strong offense to a player being involved in selling fake supposedly game worn equipment. But most casual fans and even lots of serious fans couldn’t care less. That doesn’t make it right that Manning or other players could be ripping off memorabilia buyers, but most ticket buyers and TV game watchers don’t care.
    ——————–

    Except for the ones that were ripped off, no one really cares. What people do care about is the arbitrary and capricious way that the NFL league office conducts it’s business.

    You have a commissioner that talks about integrity of the league every time he opens his yap, that refuses to investigate a clear case of fraud, which obviously is a detriment to the league. The fact that it’s the Giants that are involved makes it even worse.

  19. I don’t understand the NFL, how could Eli get off free of any punishment even though he clearly violated policy. This stinks more than any Eli game worn jersey.

  20. And when the Patriots re-hired the employees smeared in Deflategate all the haters called it sleazy. Three SB shots since then, while the Giants just racked up the most losses in franchise history. Football gods have spoken.

  21. —————————————————–
    mmack66 says:

    Tell that to Tom Brady, who was falsely accused of, and subsequently suspended for, something so ridiculous, that it boggles the mind that anyone actually went along with the scam, much less believed it.

    ——————————————————

    Thanks for your assessment, Judge mmack66. Unfortunately for Brady, the real judge presiding over the actual court case didn’t see it that way. Brady could have saved himself a perfectly fine cell phone if he would have just come clean from the start.

  22. I have no evidence that this occurred, but isnt it possible that as part of the internal investigation done on this case, they Giants may have uncovered other “irregularities” the Skibas were involved with – and that is the reason for their dismissal?

  23. 700levelvet says:
    May 26, 2018 at 2:25 pm

    Manning has made north of 100 million dollars in his career. Why on earth would he even be involved in this?
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    He settled out of court, so we will never know.

  24. Sick if Giant Fans saying Eli won two rings…The Giants won two Superbowls in spite of Eli not because of Eli. That defence did it…Do the same people think Trent Dilfer or Rob Johnson won rings..or were they on teams that won it for them..?

  25. If Brady “ had just come clean from the start”?? Since he had nothing to come clean from, he did come clean! There was no tampering!!! Too bad some people still don’t understand that.

  26. “Unfortunately for Brady, the real judge presiding over the actual court case didn’t see it that way. Brady could have saved himself a perfectly fine cell phone if he would have just come clean from the start.”

    That’s wrong. The first judge saw clearly Goodell’s scam and lack of evidence. The 2nd panel of judges didn’t see that Brady did anything wrong, they said that Goodell had the power under the CBA to do whatever he pleases.

    As far as the cell phone it had been examined repeatedly by Ted Wells and his team, who told Brady he was welcome to destroy it when he asked them if Wells needed it any more for his investigation.

    What you said is a total distortion of the actual facts.

  27. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    May 26, 2018 at 4:34 pm
    —————————————————–

    Thanks for your assessment, Judge mmack66. Unfortunately for Brady, the real judge presiding over the actual court case didn’t see it that way. Brady could have saved himself a perfectly fine cell phone if he would have just come clean from the start.
    ————————

    Actually, the real judge presiding over the actual court case did see it that way, bozo.

  28. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    May 26, 2018 at 4:34 pm
    —————————————————–
    mmack66 says:

    Tell that to Tom Brady, who was falsely accused of, and subsequently suspended for, something so ridiculous, that it boggles the mind that anyone actually went along with the scam, much less believed it.

    ——————————————————

    Thanks for your assessment, Judge mmack66. Unfortunately for Brady, the real judge presiding over the actual court case didn’t see it that way. Brady could have saved himself a perfectly fine cell phone if he would have just come clean from the start.
    —————————-

    huh? You must not have read the transcript or even noted the courts finding. In the transcript the cell phone story was exposed as a fabrication by Goodrll, who also had to answer a direct question on how much evidence there was that there had even been any infraction in the first place, and he had to admit there was none. And thats why the finding was that Brady was completely innocent. Dont take my word gor it, look it up.

  29. “ But it’s hardly uncommon for a company to rally around the employees whose conduct gave rise to a lawsuit,” Huh?

  30. @harrisonhits2 –

    Fact: Brady served a four-game suspension that was upheld by the courts finding in a lawsuit that Brady initiated. Brady claimed he would take his case to the Supreme Court, but he must have changed his mind after he got a taste of the reality that Brady doesn’t get to make up the rules in an actual court of law. Case closed.

  31. “2 yard Tom” seriously, you continue to embarrass yourself with that comment about “2 yard Tom “,since he is the reigning MVP of the league, and since he did throw for over 500 yards in the Super Bowl, are you telling me he threw 250 times? I don’t think so !

  32. @neatpete1 –

    If I had Brady’s resources and everything you say is true, I would have sued the league for defamation of character. So why didn’t Brady defend himself against the assault on his character? Oh, that’s right … because courts, and judges, and juries, and verdicts aren’t as easy to manipulate as is the biased opinion of Joe six-pack.

  33. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    May 26, 2018 at 6:06 pm
    @neatpete1 –

    If I had Brady’s resources and everything you say is true, I would have sued the league for defamation of character. So why didn’t Brady defend himself against the assault on his character? Oh, that’s right … because courts, and judges, and juries, and verdicts aren’t as easy to manipulate as is the biased opinion of Joe six-pack.

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    The biased opinion of Joe 6 pack is yours sir. I am simply quoting the court transcript. I did encourage you to look it up if you are interested in th3 truth. But if you would rather knowingly ignore court transcripts because you would rather make up your own story to tell then its not Brady with the credibilty issue.

  34. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    May 26, 2018 at 4:34 pm
    —————————————————–
    mmack66 says:

    Tell that to Tom Brady, who was falsely accused of, and subsequently suspended for, something so ridiculous, that it boggles the mind that anyone actually went along with the scam, much less believed it.

    ——————————————————

    Thanks for your assessment, Judge mmack66. Unfortunately for Brady, the real judge presiding over the actual court case didn’t see it that way. Brady could have saved himself a perfectly fine cell phone if he would have just come clean from the start.

    ————————————

    So then bannedfromchoirpractice…..setting aside the federal court ruling being about the CBA not about Brady, why did the NFL not even ask for Eli’s cell phone (where communications were again in question), and why no “independent” investigation of the fraud where items labeled with the NFL shield were sold as fraudulent items?

    Note that the NFL didn’t ask for Zeke’s cell phone either….

    ….but other than that you make a lot of sense.

  35. Didn’t Deflategate already prove that NFL equipment folks aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer? Surely a college degree isn’t needed to organize pads and helmets, right?

  36. The truth will never come out because in the end even after getting fired if they have any good information they will be paid off and will end up signing a non disclosure

  37. @forthegoodofthegame –

    You only have to turn over your cell phone when you have a long history of cheating and think you are being cute by thumbing your nose at authority when you are called out for yet another cheating and integrity issue. Eli handled himself like a man. That is the difference here. Not to mention Eli’s Super Bowl record against Brady is 2-0.

  38. nsauser says:
    May 26, 2018 at 6:40 pm
    Didn’t Deflategate already prove that NFL equipment folks aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer? Surely a college degree isn’t needed to organize pads and helmets, right?
    _____________________________

    Goodell proves you can be uneducated and Commissioner.

  39. 2 of 4 judges agreed with Brady, the lazy judges who didn’t prepare disagreed.

    I’m not sure how some vague half arsed conclusion can be deemed as “defamation”, especially as it was an “independent” investigators hedged conclusion.

  40. “I think this shows if you cooperate with the league during an investigation like Eli did, the likely outcome will be positive.”

    No, what this shows if that your team is owned by John Mara, nothing will happen to you because Roger Goodell is Mara’s puppet.

  41. ariani1985 says:
    May 26, 2018 at 5:40 pm
    Two yard Tom lost multiple SBs because of them!
    ___________________

    And the sad and pathetic Vikings are still 0 – 57!

  42. I just showed up to see how many times “Patriots” or “Brady” was mentioned in the responses. I was not disappointed hahaha. Other than that, I hope these guys rat out the organization. They helped cover up some shadiness. I don’t condone criminal activity, but if your buddies are looking out for you to CYA, then you need to hook them up. It would’ve probably been cheaper to keep them on the payroll now once they start talking and suing.

  43. I like how badly this has been reported that none of you seem to realize these guys have been swindling people and players for years. The law suit started because of a Strahan jersey that they faked. They stole Brandon Jacobs’ Super Bowl 42 jersey and helmet to sell and tried to pass off fakes to him personally.

    They aren’t victims. They should have been fired a decade ago.

  44. Also Eli voluntarily handed over a backlog of like a decade of emails. He didn’t hide anything or destroy anything.

    (Funny enough, if he actually had, this probably would have been tossed years ago instead of dragging on until they finally settled.)

  45. @pauldeba-

    When will you guys get it? You say 2/4 of judges sided with Brady when the fact is that the rule of law sided against Brady. Brady served the four-game suspension which is what he went to court over in the first place. Brady didn’t win anything in court. He LOST his court case. You know the difference between WIN and LOSE??? You guys are just making up crap.

  46. @banned

    Stop embarrassing yourself. Brady never brought any case against the NFL. They brought the initial case to the SD of NY court, lost there, and appealed the original loss. The case went to court solely at the direction of the NFL.

    And how did Manning “act like a man”? The NFL never even investigated. He was free to defraud without penalty. It’s pathetic. He also settled th civil case since we was guilty as sin. Wake up

  47. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    May 26, 2018 at 6:50 pm

    You only have to turn over your cell phone when you have a long history of cheating and think you are being cute by thumbing your nose at authority when you are called out for yet another cheating and integrity issue.
    ———————–

    Tom Brady never had a cheating or integrity issue, until Goodell made one up for him.

    Meanwhile, Eli Manning had an email asking for fake game worn helmets, how much more do you need to see?

  48. @blessed –

    You could sell vacation packages to the fake reality crowd here. They’d love a week or two at your alternate universe.

  49. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    May 26, 2018 at 8:48 pm
    @blessed –

    You could sell vacation packages to the fake reality crowd here. They’d love a week or two at your alternate universe.

    ——————-
    So stop reading what guys here re all telling you and go read a transcript. Why would you be so reluctant to go look it up to see what the truth is?

    And lets not get too far off track, this article is about dishonesty in the Giants organization and has nothing to do with the Patriots whatsoever.

  50. Brady endorses a healthier lifestyle.
    Pedon endorses pizza, video games, and pretty much anything that will grab him an extra nickel.
    E-Lie endorses and sells fraudulent products to his fans.
    Archie endoses witness intimidation.

  51. It’s funny how you easy coast jersey shore d bags argue about nonsense while the rest of America laughs at you constantly shaking their heads. Offended much? Over pro athletes who care less about you and prolly don’t even agree with you. Losers

  52. @banned

    I’d say prayer go ahead and refute anything in my original post with facts, but we both know your posts are devoid of facts. The NFL suspended Brady and upon announcing that suspension, brought the case to court to affirm their ruling. The NFL lost originally and decided to appeal the decision. Again, it was the NFL’s case all along. Try keeping up.

  53. At least now they are free to tell us the truth. Now we can see just how “dirty” and dishonourable Eli and the team owners are. We will never be fooled by their memorabilia shell game again. I guess 12$ hotdogs and 20$ beer is not enough of a rip-off.

  54. Umm, apparently PFT and me are on a break, unbeknownst to me, but I’ll try again. What league investigation does patsfan4life keep touting as a show of Eli’s cooperation? Having trouble finding it.

  55. As an equipment manager myself, these men disgrace the business. Our position on teams is to provide service to our athletes and coaches, are role is not made for self-serving. It’s one thing to pocket memoriabilia for yourself for your office/man-cave (less of an issue), but to take for profit and use your position to fraud others for gain. Scum. If you’re unhappy about your pay, there’s ways to go about it. Selling property for the organization you work for for your own income is a fireable offense in any company.

  56. Eisenberg filed a suit against Manning and the Giants in 2014.
    They settled a week ago.
    Day after the settlement the NFL says they wont investigate a civil fraud case.
    It took the NFL 4 years to figure out they would not investigate “civil fraud?”

    The evidence is in the hall of fame, too bad the HOF refused to cooperate.

  57. How does Eli get a free pass with the league? He was involved in a case of fraud. The integrity of the NFL is in play here. NFL needs to come down hard on Eli. “It is more probable than not” ELi knew about this and should be held accountable.

  58. theinconvienenttruth says:
    May 27, 2018 at 1:26 am
    As an equipment manager myself, these men disgrace the business. Our position on teams is to provide service to our athletes and coaches, are role is not made for self-serving. It’s one thing to pocket memoriabilia for yourself for your office/man-cave (less of an issue), but to take for profit and use your position to fraud others for gain. Scum. If you’re unhappy about your pay, there’s ways to go about it. Selling property for the organization you work for for your own income is a fireable offense in any company.
    —————————

    Eli Manning was just as involved as these guys, so why does he get a free pass?

  59. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    May 26, 2018 at 7:41 pm

    When will you guys get it? You say 2/4 of judges sided with Brady when the fact is that the rule of law sided against Brady. Brady served the four-game suspension which is what he went to court over in the first place. Brady didn’t win anything in court. He LOST his court case. You know the difference between WIN and LOSE??? You guys are just making up crap.
    ————————-

    The judge that actually heard all of the facts in the case sided with Brady. That’s all that matters. No one cares about the two biased bozos that Goodell paid off to get a favorable ruling.

  60. Lol they threw these guys under the bus but the star quarterback gets off scot-free? This surreal. No wonder I see a surprising amount of NFL fans who have grown to despise the league!

  61. I love when iggle fans start their post with “iggle fan here “ like we are all suppose to stop and listen to what these trashbags have to say !

  62. @mmack66

    When did I say Eli should get a free pass or even mention Eli? Eli should be held accountable by the court for fraud and his name will be tarnished by this incident.

    My comment was speaking solely on the position of equipment manager, which I speak from experience. How the Giants addressed them by firing was rightfully and should of happened sooner than it was

  63. It actually wasn’t Eli owning the stuff…..it was his wife. Just like it wasn’t Peyton’s wife using bootleg HGH

  64. mmack66 says:
    May 27, 2018 at 1:09 pm
    bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    May 26, 2018 at 7:41 pm

    When will you guys get it? You say 2/4 of judges sided with Brady when the fact is that the rule of law sided against Brady. Brady served the four-game suspension which is what he went to court over in the first place. Brady didn’t win anything in court. He LOST his court case. You know the difference between WIN and LOSE??? You guys are just making up crap.
    ————————-

    The judge that actually heard all of the facts in the case sided with Brady. That’s all that matters. No one cares about the two biased bozos that Goodell paid off to get a favorable ruling.

    —————
    The iss here is choirpractice is blurring two distinct and separate court cases into one. Neither can be called Brady’s case because it was the NFL that actually filed both.

    The first case was to have the court uphold Goodells suspension on the basis of guilt ir innocence. The judge unsealed the records on this that Goodell was trying to keep under wraps (Goodell did not expect this, he had told his lies believing the seal he had imposed protected him from being exposed). The records showed the NFL had never even established balls had been deflated in the first place and that Goodells talk of lack of cooperation, cell phenes, and such was just a bunch of falsehoods for the purpose if creating a red herring he could raise in the media. The judge was careful he then asked both Goodell and Pash whether they had any evidence that would suggest there had been any infraction committed at all. They bith admitted they had none. If you read the transcript the judge was very careful with wording and clarity. Once he had established that the info and evidence actually exonerated Brady he declared Beady not guilty and ordered the NFL to not punish him.

    The second and completely different case was about the CBa wording and commissioners powers. In this case Goodell was conceding the point of Brady’s innocence but said that it did not matter because the CBA garnted him the authority to suspend Brady anyhow regardless if he had been cleared in the previoys trial. This time Goodell won because the CBA does indeed say that (blame the union if this angers you).

    The reason Brady did not appeal the second casewas because his lawyers advised him he would lose. By conceding Bradys innocence in the sevond case Goodell had removed that pount from the table and the finding was only about the CBC wording. The only thing Brady could have attacked would be to contend that they were not interpreting the CBA correcting but the sad fact is they were ut really does say that. (Blame the union).

    Like I said to Mr Choir farther up, if he doubts anything I say here he can look up every bit of it, it is all public record. What I say here is no biased homeboy opinion I am simply citing what is said in the irancsriprs and all of this can be easily verified by anyone looking up the transcripts on the web.

    NONE of the judges were biased, neither the ones that found in Brady’s favor nor the ones against.They all did their jobs correctly and basedtheir decision on the specific points if law each was getting asked to decide on. Also to say its two of four judges is inaccurate. It was one judge in the first case and in the second it was a panel of three that rendered a single opinion. (Yes one judge voted the other way but the three still count as one entity issuing the opinion). The only bias is in those that didnt like the findings of any specific judge on the basis its not what they wanted.

    And those that are avoiding or knowingly ignoring what is in those transcripts because they prefer to run their own narratives that is also bias, coupled with an integrity problem.

  65. molly says:
    May 26, 2018 at 7:34 pm
    Also Eli voluntarily handed over a backlog of like a decade of emails. He didn’t hide anything or destroy anything.
    ———————————
    Just for the sake of clarification, turning over documents in response to a federal subpoena isn’t exactly “voluntary”.

  66. It’s like a Russian nesting doll or corruption. The equipment guys, the phoney memorabilia industry, the shady QB, the weasely trust fund inheritance owner, the crooked league, and its all financed by our dedicated elected officials. I mean its all financed by you.
    You should really work harder for these guys. I mean, they have boat payments to make.

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