Packers refining offense rather than “starting from scratch”

AP

Packers coach Mike McCarthy said in April that it feels like his first offseason with the team rather than his 13th as the team has hired new coordinators on both sides of the ball.

On offense, McCarthy said the team went “back to Page 1 in the playbook” but it sounds like the differences from past seasons are going to be less dramatic. Quarterback Aaron Rodgers said it is not “wholesale change” and offensive coordinator Joe Philbin also said the alterations have stopped short of creating something different.

“As I said to them in the first meeting we had on April 16, ‘If you look at historically what this offense has done in the 12 years that Mike’s been here, I think it’s third in the NFL. So that’s like in the top 10 percent of your business over a long period of time.’ So they’ve done a lot of great things here,” Philbin said, via Jason Wilde of the Wisconsin State Journal. “It’s been a process of refining, enhancing, tweaking, as opposed to, ‘Yeah we scrubbed it down.’ Yes, we went page by page. [But] we’re not starting from scratch here. These players in that locker room, they’ve done some great things.”

One big reason why the Packers aren’t starting over is Rodgers. Passing game coordinator Jim Hostler said the offense “really won’t look any different from the eye” because having Rodgers around to run it ensures that things will remain familiar even with tweaks around the edges.

66 responses to “Packers refining offense rather than “starting from scratch”

  1. Did they forget that Rodgers was unable to through anything but dink and dunk passes after being medically cleared to play last season?

    Based on that performance, he will set a new NFL record for interceptions in a season if they don’t remove the vertical passing game from the playbook.

  2. “They need to redefine Rodger’s run/pass audible availablity. He checks out of far too many runs.”

    I’d like to see the Packers run more too, but with Rodgers arm, pinpoint accuracy and ability to read the defenses it’s a hard argument to win.

  3. Rodgers just wants to add to his stats. That is most important to him, nothing else.
    Aaron Rodgers is the most important person to Aaron Rodgers.
    Heck the guy doesnt even care when another man hits on his Girlfriend and disrespects him

  4. We’re going back to page one… but it won’t look any different to the eye.

    Vintage McCarthy.

  5. @schmokes said, “…He checks out of far too many runs.”

    Hmm, IDK, perhaps because GB hasn’t had a real RB since 2007-2009 with Ryan Grant, coupled with a notoriously-bungled OLine?

  6. Poor little Aaron not getting paid enough. This guy is as much of a disgrace to the NFL as community organizer want to be Colin Kaepernick.

  7. “real RB since 2007-2009”

    James Starks & Eddy Lacy were real.. especially Starks during the XLV championship campaign. This year with Rodgers and not the gum chewing UCLA alum under center the running backs position for the Packers is the best it’s been in years.

  8. aypeeswhippingstick says:
    May 27, 2018 at 8:50 am
    They should refine Hundley out the door.
    _____________________

    Not so fast.
    I completely understand your angst, as most of our fans do, but let’s wait it out.
    If the Vikings suffer an injury at QB, with Spieldope’s history of mashing the panic button, we could easily parlay Hundley into a couple of upper round picks.

  9. “As I said to them in the first meeting we had on April 16, ‘If you look at historically what this offense has done in the 12 years that Mike’s been here, I think it’s third in the NFL. ”

    “….in the 12 years with a franchise QB, I think it’s third in the NFL”

    Fixed it for you.

  10. “Rodgers just wants to add to his stats. That is most important to him, nothing else.
    Aaron Rodgers is the most important person to Aaron Rodgers.”

    If that is what you believe fine,as long as he is adding to his stats for the Packers in wins,especially against the Vikings.

  11. I think the playbook may not be much different but look at the players. GB was not too long ago accused of being the slowest team in the NFL at the WR position. That is changing. Almost every WR other than Cobb is 6’3″ and fast. Jimmy Graham is tall showing this team will be near impossible defend in the red zone. With the TE from Jacksonville they have last years best blocking TE. Figure in the enhanced running game they have, this offense will be FAST, STRONG, and tall. You didn’t need to re-invent the playbook but they did re-invent the weapons to some degree. The only weakness is the right side of the Oline.

  12. Fun with semantics, eh? We all know what starting over from scratch looks like. Rebuilding happens.

  13. If only Aaron could get back to half of what he was, my Packers can stay ahead of the Bears. Maybe.

  14. Hey I have a good idea… Why don’t we refine this offense and continue to ignore the defense. Packer fans are going to be hit by a freight train this year. I absolutely love it, they don’t even see it coming. The Pack is back??? C’mon man get real. Back to the 70’s and 80’s Packers!

  15. gtodriver says:
    May 27, 2018 at 9:04 am

    Did they forget that Rodgers was unable to through anything but dink and dunk passes after being medically cleared to play last season?

    ********
    You need to check your memory pills. In the one game he played after being back he completed 26 passes for 290 yards.

    Recall Teddy Checkdown and Bradford behind that O-fensive offensive line in 2016? Now that was dink-n-dunk. Third and seven? “okay go 4 yards and turn around, on 2”.

    But we get it. Rodgers is damaged goods until you see otherwise, and the Vikings don’t not participate in the playoffs for over a decade straight. Which end zone does that banner hang over?

  16. What a pitiful collection of comments. Haters gonna hate I guess but at least put some thought into it purples.

  17. Seriously, the way Packer faithful tell it, Rodgers is goat. He must have at least as many Super Bowl appearances.. let alone wins, as Brady, Big Ben or even Eli? Can somebody look that up?

  18. Vikings fans/trolls are truly pathetic.I do not know why PFT allows flooding of every Packer thread by trolls. Maybe because Florio is a Viking fan, who knows. I really do feel bad for the trolls. This is the only way they can think of to attach themselves to the most successful franchise in the history of Pro Football.

    Happy Memorial Day!🇺🇸

    I am off to enjoy a day on the boat🛥

    Green Bay was 15-1 in Joe Philbin’s last season as OC. Also won a Super Bowl in Joe’s last tenure with the team. Good to have Joe back.

    Joe loves to use the TE’s and I think Jimmy Graham will thrive in this offense. I also know Joe likes fast tall wideouts and the 3 rookies are all over 6’3 and quick. Will be some nice new toys for Joe to play with and “make this offense hum” as he likes to say.

    We already talked about how strong the TE position group is. WR is also very strong:

    Davante Adams- WR

    Randall Cobb- WR

    J’Mon Moore- WR

    Geronimo Allison- WR

    Equanimeous St. Brown- WR

    Trevor Davis- WR

    Marquez Valdes-Scantling- WR

    Trevor Davis who some feel will be the odd man out, will stay because of his kick returning skills.

  19. With a new defensive coordinator making the D less predictable, a change in the approach on offense and the infusion of veteran talent, along with the hangover of an epic playoff beatdown the Vikings have to deal with, this season is set up well for the Pack.

  20. PurpleKoolaid78 says:
    May 27, 2018 at 11:25 am

    Hey I have a good idea… Why don’t we refine this offense and continue to ignore the defense.

    *****

    Let’s see, new coordinator, Sheldon Richardson, resign your best corner from last year, bring back a corner who rated 12th in coverage by PFF, draft two corners and a converted safety cover linebacker in the first three rounds of the draft. Add to solid up the middle players in Martinez, Daniels, Clark, and Dix…..

    We aint cooking a bunny here…

  21. PurpleKoolaid78 says:
    May 27, 2018 at 11:25 am
    Hey I have a good idea… Why don’t we refine this offense and continue to ignore the defense. Packer fans are going to be hit by a freight train this year. I absolutely love it, they don’t even see it coming.
    _______________________

    I’ve seen posts similar to this over the last few weeks and I’m truly astounded at the amount of ignorance in it.

    They’ve addressed the defense substantially the last 2 offseasons.
    The Packers used their top 4 draft choices in 2017 to that effect. (Kevin King, CB) (Josh Jones, S/LB) (Montravous Adams, DT) and (Vince Biegel, LB)
    And continued the rebuild by using their top 3 picks in this year’s draft. (Jaire Alexander, CB) (Josh Jackson, CB) and (Oren Burks, LB)

    They also signed free agent Mo Wilkerson, DT, to fortify their D-Line, and Oh Yes, they fired longtime DC Dom Capers and replaced him with Mike Pettine from Rex Ryan’s coaching tree.

    If any of these changes or additions make a substantial difference on the defensive side of the ball remains to be seen.
    I’m betting they will.
    But to say they’ve done virtually nothing and have basically ignored the defense is just plain dumb.

  22. Awwww….little 9 fingers has shown his face.

    Is football a team sport? Or no?

    He’s damn sure better than anything the Vikings have ever had (other than another former Packers great), or likely will have in your lifetime.

    Peace!

  23. We already talked about how strong the TE position group is. WR is also very strong:

    *****

    WR isn’t necessarily strong, but it is adequately populated. Adams is fine, Cobb should have a lot more room to operate inside with all the big bodies around.

    Personally I expect Michael Clark to win the #2 job and Don’t bother listing the rooks till we see them in games. Trevor Davis runs like a confused gazelle and squats like he’s pooping outside on Punt catches. He gone.

  24. Personally I expect Michael Clark to win the #2 job.

    =====================

    I listed the players I think will be on the final 53. I do not think they will keep 8 WR’s and I chose Trevor Davis over Clark because he is one of few who can return. Clark is a guy with potential, but so was Jeff Janis. Where did he end up? Return men are gold and not everyone can do it. Who is your return man if you cut Davis? Tramon Williams your starting CB? No. Jaire Alexander? You want him to concentrate on being a NFL CB not worrying about returning kicks. Cobb? Umm no. I’d love to keep Clark, but they won’t keep 8.

    I don’t see Gute cutting one of 3 rookie WR’s he just drafted unless one just totally looks bad in camp.

  25. lambeauwest says:
    May 27, 2018 at 10:51 am
    “Jimmy Graham is tall”

    ////////////////////////////////////

    “Jimmy Graham is tall”, that’s it? If tall is all you need to turn the corner, you should just ask Lew Alcindor to unretire
    You remember him your NBA counterpart threw him away.

  26. Packers offense will always be the same w Rodgers – snap it to him and hope he can bail out the rest of the team and organization shortcomings.

  27. I think a lot of offensive coordinators and offensive head coaches — especially conservative ones like McCarthy — saw the way Pederson beat Bellichick last year and also saw the writing on the wall; become more aggressive or become a dinosaur.

    Only time will tell whether Pederson was a genius worthy of copying, or a flash in the pan that defensive coordinators will figure out this year and going forward.

    But it’s a copycat league and you can expect some coaches to try and add to their playbooks and their down and distance options based on what they saw the Eagles offense do last year.

  28. khalilmackattack says:
    May 27, 2018 at 11:16 am
    Vikqueen fans wished they had AR as their qb

    /////////////////////////////

    No doubt, would love to have him, but so would every other team including the faders. Thanks for the insight Mr. Obvious

  29. Now instead of getting 25% of the points and yardage production from cheating by using the Cheesecheater loophole where you can profit off free plays, yardage, and points exploiting presnap defensive penalties, the CheeseCheaters will get over 50% of their offensive production so they can protect their snowflake double take QB.

  30. Under McCarthy, it is always the same. Play too cautiously and hope that Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers win the game for you.
    The Packers offense is the most vanilla in all of the NFL. Every defense knows just what they are going to because they’be been doing the same things since McCarthy got here.
    It’s so vanilla, I turn to my wife all the time and tell her what play they are running. And about 90% of the time, I’m right.
    McCarthy is the most over-rated head coach in the NFL, especially by those who call him an offensive “genius”. He is far from that and the only reason his offenses have been as successful as they have starts and ends with Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers.

  31. freefromwhatyouare says:
    May 27, 2018 at 12:57 pm
    Personally I expect Michael Clark to win the #2 job.

    =====================

    I listed the players I think will be on the final 53. I do not think they will keep 8 WR’s and I chose Trevor Davis over Clark because he is one of few who can return. Clark is a guy with potential, but so was Jeff Janis. Where did he end up? Return men are gold and not everyone can do it. Who is your return man if you cut Davis? Tramon Williams your starting CB? No. Jaire Alexander? You want him to concentrate on being a NFL CB not worrying about returning kicks. Cobb? Umm no. I’d love to keep Clark, but they won’t keep 8.

    I don’t see Gute cutting one of 3 rookie WR’s he just drafted unless one just totally looks bad in camp.
    ________________________

    Michael Clark is a beast.
    At 6’6”, 217lbs and still able to run a 4.53, 40 yard dash, there isn’t a lot not to like.
    But the truth remains, with only one year of true college ball, he has a long way to go to make such a significant jump.
    With the returning vets and new blood, he’ll be hard pressed to make the active roster and I think he’ll end up on the practice squad again.

    As for Trevor Davis, I do believe his time has come and gone.
    He has never been able to adjust to the pro level and his dumb airport skills won’t help his case either.
    His return skills alone simply don’t warrant him enough consideration to make this roster and I do believe they’ll turn to Jaire Alexander to bring back punts.
    And as always, of course, injuries will play a major factor throughout mini and training camps.
    But I am extremely interested in seeing just how this situation plays out.

  32. Hey Wafflestomp: All that attention paid to the defense and they still suck. Thanks for making my argument for me. Talk about plain dumb!

  33. “Mike McCarthy: This has been like a Year One offseason”

    It sounds very much like Rodgers and big Mike are not on the same page. Just like Rodgers and the Green Bay front office.

    Is Rodgers’ life off hold now that Cousins and Ryan signed their contracts? At what point after someone signs for more than Rodgers will his life go back on hold?

  34. PurpleKoolaid78 says:
    May 27, 2018 at 2:11 pm
    Hey Wafflestomp: All that attention paid to the defense and they still suck. Thanks for making my argument for me. Talk about plain dumb!
    _________________________

    Listen, I realize that almost all of the Barney’s general football acumen is anchored in ignorance, but please, try and keep up.

    Most of these big changes have happened this past offseason.
    With most teams, (who am I kidding) ALL teams, still having to play their first game of the season, it’s a little tough to see just how much or how little they, in your words, suck.

    Do I need to get out a blackboard and draw this up for you, too?

  35. Listen, I realize that almost all of the Barney’s general football acumen is anchored in ignorance, but please, try and keep up.
    Most of these big changes have happened this past offseason.
    With most teams, (who am I kidding) ALL teams, still having to play their first game of the season, it’s a little tough to see just how much or how little they, in your words, suck.
    Do I need to get out a blackboard and draw this up for you, too?
    —–
    This something that can drawn up on a black board? 😋
    I bet they still have black boards at Green Bay’s training facility. Do you know it ranks 2nd to last in the league?

  36. Let’s see, new coordinator, Sheldon Richardson, resign your best corner from last year, bring back a corner who rated 12th in coverage by PFF, draft two corners and a converted safety cover linebacker in the first three rounds of the draft. Add to solid up the middle players in Martinez, Daniels, Clark, and Dix…..
    ——
    Who are you talking about? Be truthful, you only casually follow football?

  37. and the 3 rookies are all over 6’3 and quick.
    —–
    Depending on 3 late round rookie WRs that were so highly though of they lasted until the late rounds. HaHa

  38. and the 3 rookies are all over 6’3 and quick.
    —–
    Depending on 3 late round rookie WRs that were so highly though of they lasted until the late rounds. HaHa

  39. The Packers have done quite a bit to adjust an already fine team. They’ll be pretty darn good. They’re already once again the team to beat in the North Division. There’s no debating that fact.

    The Vikings on the other hand have done very little to improve a team of pretenders. The addition of Cousins promises very little change from the three straight seasons of Pro-Bowl caliber play at that position. I don’t know what they’re expecting. The best* (*regular season) defense is the same bunch of pretenders that finished the last eight quarters of the most important games of their careers 2-6. If not for the flukiest, luckiest, play of the season, they would’ve had no problem adding to their league-leading all-time NFL record for one-and-done postseason appearances.

    That’s the Vikings everyone in the NFL knows and loves. They won’t disappoint while accomplishing the same or less this year.

  40. “offensive coordinator Joe Philbin also said the alterations have stopped short of creating something different.”

    This phins fan is glad Principal Joe (Philbin reminds of the Vice Principal in HS we could all barely tolerate) is gone.

    Creativity and innovation are not Joe’s forte.

    Notice how the Colts OL regressed when JP was Indy. Good Luck Aaron,you’ll need it

  41. packerlies says:

    You need to check your memory pills. In the one game he played after being back he completed 26 passes for 290 yards.

    #####

    If you are going to post Rodgers stat line, post the entire stat line

    You left out his 3 interceptions which all occurred when he attempted to throw anything longer than a dink or dunk pass.

    Rodgers was a turnover machine.

    Despite Rodgers having been medically cleared to play, the Packers benched Rodgers for the rest of the season as Brett Hundley was their best option at QB….

  42. The Packers have done quite a bit to adjust an already fine team.

    >>

    An already fine team? Did you stop watching after Rodgers went down last year??

  43. This Phin fan is glad Principal Joe is gone.

    ========================

    There are many coaches that are very good coordinators and end up not being good head coaches. Miami also has been a dumpster fire franchise since the days of Shula.

    Joe is a very good OC. Joe was not OC in Indy. He was assistant head coach/o-line coach.

    Sorry, I am not going to listen to a Dolphin fans opinion on coordinators and “innovation” and “creativity”. Joe has a Super Bowl ring as a OC. Never had a not Top 10 offense as OC in Green Bay. If the Packers played the Dolphins 16 times next season the Pack would win 15 games at the very least.

    There were rumblings out of Miami that Gase would be fired after last season. They kept him. Maybe after this season you can say you are “glad” Gase is gone. Gase is another one that was a good coordinator before dealing with that mess in Miami.

  44. pkrlvr says:
    “What a pitiful collection of comments.”

    I’m not on here for your enjoyment. That said, whenever aaron’s contract comes to fruition, I’ll be around for the cheese & whining.

  45. Depending on 3 late round rookies. Haha

    =============================

    No one said anyone is depending on all 3 rookie WR’s. I said all 3 will make the final 53 man roster unless one looks really bad in camp.

    I would love one of them to win the #3 WR spot, but to say anyone is depending on all 3 this season is a troll being a troll.

    If you are going to troll at least don’t be a epic failure at it🤥

  46. Congratulations on your highly ranked, newly opened, too many sponsors to name, training facility fat cheesy. Do your Vikings win a tshirt for that too? Lots of space at US Bank for the banner as long as it doesn’t interfere with the hanging protesters.

  47. tokyosandblaster says:
    May 27, 2018 at 10:14 pm
    All three of the Packers late round receivers are better options than laquon treadwell.
    ________________

    Agreed. But, in all fairness, it wouldn’t take all that much to prove your statement correct.

  48. stellarperformance says:
    May 27, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    The Packers have done quite a bit to adjust an already fine team. They’ll be pretty darn good. They’re already once again the team to beat in the North Division. There’s no debating that fact.

    The Vikings on the other hand have done very little to improve a team of pretenders. The addition of Cousins promises very little change from the three straight seasons of Pro-Bowl caliber play at that position. I don’t know what they’re expecting. The best* (*regular season) defense is the same bunch of pretenders that finished the last eight quarters of the most important games of their careers 2-6. If not for the flukiest, luckiest, play of the season, they would’ve had no problem adding to their league-leading all-time NFL record for one-and-done postseason appearances.

    That’s the Vikings everyone in the NFL knows and loves. They won’t disappoint while accomplishing the same or less this year.
    __________

    When you said the Packers already had a fine team, that invalidated everything else that followed.

    How much arrogance does it take to say that a 7-9 third place team is the team to beat in the division? Whenever somebody says “there’s no debating that fact,” that means they don’t want to debate because they can’t defend their position.

  49. Luv 8t when i read from defenders how tey know the routes better than the pack receivers. Mac hasnt changed a thing. They dont run routes they run to an area and stop. Great if you have speed and quickness but look at how un open the receivers have been the last few years includng jordy.
    Mac hates practice, loves to not change a 5hing and brings back people who need little coaching? Lazy mike

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