Are more and more Patriots truly not having “fun”?

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The recent comments from former Patriots defensive end Cassius Marsh are surprising not simply because of their strength but because of their rarity. During the 18 years that Bill Belichick has coached the team, the atmosphere hasn’t changed. So why haven’t more former Patriots popped off?

One possibility is that the Patriots misjudged Marsh as someone who would respond well to the New England environment. Belichick and company typically look for — and find — players who will buy in to The Patriot Way, which consists (in a nutshell) or having a hard shell that tolerates constant badgering and fear-based motivation, that puts team above individual, and that results in the successful players making financial sacrifices for the greater goal of effective cap management, not just to afford free-agent starters when needed but to have a robust middle class of experienced players who provide depth when injuries inevitably happen.

Even if Marsh didn’t fit in, he’s hardly the first. So why haven’t past Patriots teed off on Belichick’s methods after leaving the team?

The closest anyone else has come to taking shots at The Patriot Way happened nearly three years ago, when receiver Reggie Wayne asked to be released after a short stint in New England because “the work environment was tough” and Wayne was “not having fun.” Considering that Wayne occupied a central role on a Colts team that exuded excellence and that featured a strong, detail-obsessed personality at quarterback, the revelation was a bit of a shock.

But Wayne never suggested that the sense of unhappiness went beyond himself. Marsh’s comments broadened the focus to include others.

“They don’t have fun there,” Marsh said. “There’s nothing fun about it. There’s nothing happy about it.”

That has prompted some within league circles to wonder whether the Patriots have, over time, lost their nucleus of players who revel in the ends-justify-the-lack-of-fun approach. Players who believe winning is fun enough. Players who willingly accept the fact that championship football is zero fun, sir.

If past Patriots teams had a guy like Marsh who was grumbling about not having fun, team leaders would have swooped in immediately and rectified the situation, one way or the other. Marsh wouldn’t have believed that “they don’t have fun there.” He would have simply concluded that they have a different idea of what fun is.

At a time when the discontent has spread to players like quarterback Tom Brady and tight end Rob Gronkowski, maybe there really is a deeper problem in the locker room, where the core of players obsessed with winning has been overcome by a critical mass of players who are sick of being constantly criticized. The tipping point quite possibly came during Super Bowl LII, when Belichick apparently departed from the win-at-all-costs mindset to instead play some sort of mind game with cornerback Malcolm Butler, leaving him on the sideline as the defense couldn’t stop Philadelphia’s offense.

Whatever the reasons and whatever the trigger, it’s becoming more and more clear that something has changed in New England. And while none of it may matter when it’s time to suit up and play in September, the fact that both Brady and Gronkowski are nowhere to be seen necessarily affects the overall preparation of a team that uses every phase of the calendar as a building block toward the next one.

If they and others find themselves resenting Belichick’s ways and questioning the effectiveness of his methods and his message, coach and players could be on a collision course for a level of dysfunction that they may not be able to overcome.

100 responses to “Are more and more Patriots truly not having “fun”?

  1. The issue isn’t that the Patriots don’t have fun, the issue is the players saying it. For each of the guys that didn’t work out in New England saying it isn’t fun, there’s multiple others refuting that (eg Shea McLellin, who was recently released but said he enjoyed himself tremendously in NE).

    It does not surprise me that Reggie Wayne, a guy who couldn’t stick it out for a full training camp with NE, and Cassius Marsh, one of the least disciplined pass rushers in football (talented but not disciplined – discipline is a staple in NE defenses), said that NE isn’t fun after they couldn’t catch on.

  2. I’d rather work for an employer who let’s you be you, rather than work for an employer who watches you like a damn hawk and stresses you out every single day.

    I get that these players make a lot of money, but at the end of the day, there people too. My life is more worth living happily than anything else, that means work too.

  3. Nothing last forever. You had a good run with the help of the Tuck Rule. Now everything is coming off the rails. Karma always get you someday.

  4. I don’t really care if you’re not having fun on that team. Just stop cheating…please.

  5. Not completely new, you can look back to 2009/2010 and see articles on Adalius Thomas publicly talking about not having any fun with the Patriots and feeling like he was being coached too hard.

  6. Yep. Of all the players who worked in the Patriots system — a high profile system to say the least — the fact do few have voiced displeasure with Belichick speaks volumes. And Wayne was never gping to be a Patriot. He made a hall of fame name for himself as a member of Manning’s Colts, the Pstriots biggest rival — a rival that could have won more than 1 championship if the Patriots,had not been in the way. So there are deep seated resentments there. I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t join the Patriots with the intention of quitting so he could say something derogatory about them.

    Now dudes like Lane Johnson are feeling a little bit like a fart in the wind. He knows the Eagles are just another team to win the Super Bowl until they win another one within the next 2-3 years. So he feels unexpectedly dead inside when he should feel on top of the world. He has to take the tedious long view. Why? Because those damned Patriots remain THE TEAM OF THR ERA despite this year’s loss. He also knows that if history has any bearing, the Patriots will be back while the Eagles fade into wallflower-dom. So he finds it good therapy to discredit the Patriots culture and methods and imply their achievements do not mean as much as the Eagles. That no one would WANT to do what the Patriots do to succeed because this is unnatural and leads to great unhappiness.

    It’s basic Psychology.

  7. It’s your job to play professional football at a high level I’m not a pats fan but if you need to have to do this and don’t like it go have a blast installing satellite dishes or working the drive thru at Taco Bell

  8. who has fun playing any kinda NFL football? with all those coaches and cameras and communications systems its less a game and more like war. look at the NBA, thats a huge sports league but u can tell the players enjoy playing the game

  9. It’s because of the new age these days. Ten years ago Belichick’s way was normal and a bunch of other coaches had the same old school mentality. Even when I played minor league hockey there were coaches who put the fear of god in you. Nowadays that’s just not going to happen with these millennial players and their Twitter, political causes, how they think they know best, etc. It’s the same way in corporations now. You have leaders who got results in the past that put the wrath of god in people but now they simply can’t because some millennial will complain to HR that he or she is not having fun.

  10. Perhaps it’s as simple as, like the bully in the schoolyard who threatens reprisals, players and ex-players are afraid to speak up for fear of retaliation by the most powerful coach in football. Of they don’t want to be labeled as a lazy malcontent.

  11. If there’s a franchise that could be completely disfunctional and win it’s the pats… that said, it’s extremely hard to do so and that cannot be overstated.

  12. The answer is that we’re now in a modern age, where people whine a lot more than they used to, people talking and complaining about their feelings is much more accepted even in a tough guy sport. Football used to be a pure man’s sport, and aside from the occasional complaint about a lack of respect, players didn’t complain for the most part. Even if a player did make some complaints like Reggie Wayne, it was viewed as an interesting aberration of a player who didn’t like their style and voiced it in a respectful nature.

    Now that media and social media has reached the point it has, players have microphones in their mouths to constantly whine if they so choose to, like with the Pete Carroll comments, and the media coverage (and hatred of the Patriots, Seahawks, and others as they’ve won more and more) to make it a top read story even if you’re a role player randomly spouting off because you don’t like them, regardless of if you’ve ever played for them or not.

    I probably wouldn’t enjoy playing for the Patriots style, but they try to get guys that are driven to win to the point that it works well for them. Most of the players they have aside from the one year rentals are happy and resign for less money even, and state their happiness. You could look at how Marquis Flowers loves it here, defended the patriots, and unlike Marsh, carved out a big role for the team. We can’t be assuming that tons of players are unhappy because of a questionable article written by an ESPN hack purely to stir up trouble, comments by two players on the winning team who were told lies about the Patriots by their coach to make them hate them, and a role player who spent about two months with the team before being dumped because he didn’t enjoy their serious style and complained at Belichick about it.

  13. I’ve been a Pats fan since Bledsoe was the QB, and the Brady/BB dynasty has been nothing short of amazing to watch. I think it’s finally over. Too much inner turmoil. You can point to several different things, but I think the two things you can point to are A) BB benching Malcolm Butler at the Superbowl and B)BB being forced to trade Jimmy G.

    A) lost him the locker room (and maybe the superbowl). B) lost him the future franchise QB he’d groomed for 5 years.

    It’s telling that BB hasn’t reupped his contract. I think he wants the hell out of dodge. No way Brady and BB both stay after this season and my money is on BB leaving.

    It was fun while it lasted.

  14. 2006 to 2014 Superbowls… … apparently…the Cleveland Browns have as many championships as the NE Patriots….

    Were the Browns having fun?

  15. The Patriots seem to be the football equivalent of Amazon, market leaders in what they do with an incredibly loyal fan base. However the workers who provide this success are underpaid, undervalued and overworked.

  16. I do wonder if that Malcolm Butler decision will become like the situation in Seattle where they passed the ball instead of giving it to Lynch. Where the players stop trusting the coaches.

  17. The Pats probably do not have the same level of veteran leadership that they had earlier in this century, when the Pats were in the hunt every year as they continue to do so today. Early in the century the Pats had a bunch of players to keep people focused; guys like McGinest and Bruschi and Vrabel and Harrison, and the list goes on.

    Still, we are talking about two decades, and the although the Pats don’t win them all, they still dominate the minds of other players, other teams fans, and the media. A new generation of players has gotten soft in that time, but the smart money is on the Pats in the Super Bowl again in 2019.

  18. Salty haters ignore the 99.9% of the players & former players don’t say anything. Sore little Marsh was at Pats for 9wks! And couldn’t get on the field despite the first team D line on IR. That, along with a single Wayne comment who tried out 3yrs ago and struggled to meet demand is what you’re constructing this year’s annual Pats-r-done salt-a-thon musing.

    On any other team, 17 starters IR all season long including half of their biggest names, would see most teams write off the year, but the Pats still got within a hail mary of their 6th title in 16yrs. Somehow the salty mountain of hate that can’t wait for it to end has twisted that remarkable success into a massive implosion based on Gronk maybe angling for a raise, Brady resting up more and salty failure Marsh whining he didn’t have fun!

    Last year the Pats-r-done salt was based on a faked news story of 0.5psi, this year its Cassius’ comment, what will next year’s theory be based on?

  19. Ross Tucker talked about his time in NE. He stated that it was the most negative environment he’s ever been in. He went on to say player happiness should be zero concern to fans, which is true.
    Until the NE environment starts impacting the play on the field then there should be zero concern by fans.

    And one more thing, the Eagles players need to stop talking about NE, it’s getting ridiculous.

  20. Good grief! Why are so many people worried about some employees having “fun”?? It’s your job – do it!

  21. Reggie Wayne knew one system before arriving in New England and was too lazy to learn a new play book. And more relevant, Wayne saw the writing on the wall that he was unlikely to make the team. Making excuses to hide realty was a cowardly move on his part.

  22. well as a fan, seeing double digit win totals every year for almost 20 years in a row, im certainly having fun. i dont really need, nor do i want, a constant analysis of a players feelings. i particularly could care less what some other teams player is saying. if bills method isnt working anymore im sure a change will be made. the rest of the nfl only wishes they had as little fun as we did.

  23. They all want to say it’s a business when it’s time to get paid. Guess what? I don’t have a lot of fun at my place of business either. I hate the Patriots but the NFL is about one thing and one thing only and that’s winning and that makes them the best business model in the NFL. It is also not a secret that this organization operates this way. I have never heard of a player that has went to the Patriots because they want to “have fun”, they go to the Pats because they want a championship.

  24. Reigning in Philly says:
    May 31, 2018 at 5:41 am
    Ross Tucker talked about his time in NE. He stated that it was the most negative environment he’s ever been in.
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    Ross Tucker played one game for NE – in 2005!!!!

  25. As a member of of Belichick’s no-fun Patriots, there is a 50% chance of playing in a Super Bowl….which seems fun to me. My heart breaks for the new generation of millennial ballers who need reaffirmation every 7 seconds

  26. This has little to do with fun. Brady and Gronkowski had and have issues with Bill Belichick. When the leaders of the team have problems, it can’t help but filter down. Belichick’s program works when he has buy in from his leaders. Right now, he is too stubborn to give an inch. His natural reaction was to try to get rid of Brady, but Kraft wouldn’t let him. This will either blow up this year or Tom Brady and Gronk will come back and decide to put last season past them. This is no given that the Patriots are done winning, but this is different.

  27. Marquis Flowers: “I will tell you on my end I’m having a BLAST! Most fun I’ve had and I love it here.”
    Shea McClellin. “I had an absolute blast. It’s a great locker room culture in New England. Everyone is so close there, it’s just something special”.

  28. You want fun, go play flag football….NFL success is about intense discipline, and Belichick could care less what players think about him…He’s about WINNING, and yes, he does win…I find this whole conversation hilarious…Marsh [ who? who?] is an athlete who wants to rush the passer…HE WANTS….No where does he mentions what he NEEDED to do to help his team win….The guy could care less about championships.

  29. usg1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 6:08 am
    The Eagles broke the Patriots. I love it
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    Correction – the Eagles getting the benefit of a 50/50 bobbled TD call, and the refs allowing an illegal formation for the Philly Special TD, to win by 8 against the Pats missing half their starters, is this year’s silly excuse for claiming the Pats are done. One day it will be, and sooner rather than later, but in the meantime the Pats are the biggest favorites for the SB – their 9th appearance in 17 seasons.

  30. Moondance says:
    May 31, 2018 at 6:11 am
    Reggie Wayne knew one system before arriving in New England and was too lazy to learn a new play book. And more relevant, Wayne saw the writing on the wall that he was unlikely to make the team. Making excuses to hide realty was a cowardly move on his part.

    RW also likely realized he would not be getting the number of DPI flags he got when PM was QB and TB’s Oline wouldn’t get the free holding pass that gave RW the time he needed to get open. Wayne was good but no one would ever think of him as gutsy.

  31. Last year the Pats-r-done salt was based on a faked news story of 0.5psi, this year its Cassius’ comment, what will next year’s theory be based on?
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    Ummm, The Eagles with their 1st string repeating? No cheating and repeating, how’s that sound?

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    Ummm, The Eagles with their 1st string repeating? No cheating and repeating, how’s that sound?

    //

    Like I said Eagles fans are no different than Seahawks and Broncos fans

    They win 1 now they are the next “dynasty”

  33. Former Patriots player

    We had fun winning our rings, this whole conversation is just stupid. It wasn’t easy, but not easy doesn’t mean not fun. Hard can be rewarding, some people don’t like hard. It is what it is. Old Reggie Wayne & Cassius Marsh as proof [of what?] is just crazy comment section logic.

  34. usg1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 6:08 am

    The Eagles broke the Patriots. I love it
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    The Eagles won a Super Bowl, after nearly 60 years of futility. Do it again before you start acting like they are the greatest team ever.

  35. streetyson says:
    May 31, 2018 at 7:00 am
    usg1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 6:08 am
    The Eagles broke the Patriots. I love it
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    Correction – the Eagles getting the benefit of a 50/50 bobbled TD call, and the refs allowing an illegal formation for the Philly Special TD, to win by 8 against the Pats missing half their starters, is this year’s silly excuse for claiming the Pats are done. One day it will be, and sooner rather than later, but in the meantime the Pats are the biggest favorites for the SB – their 9th appearance in 17 seasons.

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    You know the dynasty is over the day Pats fans are complaining about Calls, lol!!

  36. If you’ve ever watched a Bill Belichick press conference, he never looks like he’s having any fun, so how can anyone else being having fun ? He never smiles and looks and sounds like a grump, “….onto the Bengals”. This guy doesn’t have fun.

  37. I would think that having the softest schedule the NFL can make for you plus having referees trip over themselves to make sure you get to the Super Bowl every year would actually be kind of fun – wouldn’t it?

  38. The locker room is not happy because they lost a SB that they should have won.
    No one to blame but themselves.

  39. usg1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 6:08 am
    The Eagles broke the Patriots. I love it
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    If the Giants didn’t “break” the patriots in 2007, no SB loss will. Certainly not the SB where Brady threw for 500 yards.

    The only thing that’s going to “break” the Patriots is that Tom Brady and Bill Bellichik are getting old (and maybe Bills stubbornness).

    Not mentioned regarding Marsh is that the PFW guys reported Marsh had a problem in the locker room and at one point threw a fit in front of reporters for no apparent reason. he also played horribly for the Pats.

    They (PFW) also had a lengthy quote from Marsh saying how much he loved it in NE and that it was the first time he’d been on a team where they were 100% honest with him and you always know where you stood.

  40. A) lost him the locker room (and maybe the superbowl). B) lost him the future franchise QB he’d groomed for 5 years.

    5 years? His rookie contract was 4 years. You would have franchised him even though he barely played, Brady was MVP, and NE couldn’t afford him. Brilliant!

  41. If you want to have fun, go to Disney World. If you want to win Championships in the NFL, go play for the Patriots.

  42. mmack66 says:

    May 31, 2018 at 8:05 am

    usg1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 6:08 am

    The Eagles broke the Patriots. I love it
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    The Eagles won a Super Bowl, after nearly 60 years of futility. Do it again before you start acting like they are the greatest team ever.

    ————

    I love how Eagles fans act like they have been good forever when the fact is they have been one of the least successful teams in the NFL most of their existence. They were the MN Vikings, Cleavland Browns, of their division until a lucky run last year, resulted from the easiest schedule in the NFL.

  43. I don’t care if the players are having “fun” or not, I don’t care anything about them. They are simply highly paid entertainers, there for our pleasure if we so choose, and the industry makes me pay a high price to watch them.

    As for the dynasty crumbling, so what? You can’t take away the joy of the last 22 years, beginning with the ’96 New England-Green Bay Super Bowl; nope, you can’t put the genie back in the lamp.

  44. It’s the same old media stuff. Tom Jackson stated years ago that the players hated BB and he had lost the team. Then they went to Superbowls. The media ignores the positive comments from the players.

  45. Who gives a damn about whether they are having fun???? Ask a non-football player if they have fun at the jobs they do all day every day!!!!!
    These 21st century players are spoiled brats in many cases and are so used to being coddled and treated like babies, they can’t handle it.
    To all of them —- GROW UP!!!!!!!!

  46. You would not hear a thing if they won the SB. Just like 28 – 3 and Pete’s decision to throw at the goal line.

  47. usg1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 6:08 am
    The Eagles broke the Patriots. I love it
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    Yeah, except it’s the Eagles players that can’t seem to stop talking about the Patriots??? They won the SB and still can’t get New England out of their head??? Who broke who??? The Eagles have won one SB in their entire existence… they need to get over the Patriots and enjoy it (have some FUN).

    I love how this one guy, that didn’t fit in because he wanted to do his thing and his thing only, is speaking for the rest of the players on the team. Marsh couldn’t handle the workload and didn’t have the discipline to fit in in New England. Poor guy wasn’t having fun, he just wanted to sack the QB and Bill wanted him to play actual defence??? Imagine that, having to learn a system? Pathetic. Have fun getting exposed when a back runs right by you while you’re rushing the QB or when you miss a chip and that screen pass goes for 20 because of your mistake. The difference between Marsh and other players is that the others want to grow and learn and become great all around players, Marsh just wants to be one dimensional and sack QB’s.

  48. dxfiler says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:30 am
    I’ve been a Pats fan since Bledsoe was the QB, and the Brady/BB dynasty has been nothing short of amazing to watch. I think it’s finally over. Too much inner turmoil. You can point to several different things, but I think the two things you can point to are A) BB benching Malcolm Butler at the Superbowl and B)BB being forced to trade Jimmy G.

    A) lost him the locker room (and maybe the superbowl). B) lost him the future franchise QB he’d groomed for 5 years.

    It’s telling that BB hasn’t reupped his contract. I think he wants the hell out of dodge. No way Brady and BB both stay after this season and my money is on BB leaving.

    It was fun while it lasted.

    pastabelly says:
    May 31, 2018 at 6:24 am
    This has little to do with fun. Brady and Gronkowski had and have issues with Bill Belichick. When the leaders of the team have problems, it can’t help but filter down. Belichick’s program works when he has buy in from his leaders. Right now, he is too stubborn to give an inch. His natural reaction was to try to get rid of Brady, but Kraft wouldn’t let him. This will either blow up this year or Tom Brady and Gronk will come back and decide to put last season past them. This is no given that the Patriots are done winning, but this is different.

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    Why have you guys just bought into the narrative driven by the media and haters? Don’t you realize there are no actual facts to support these claims that (1) Brady and Gronkowski have issues with Belichick, (2) Brady and Gronkowski’s staying away from voluntary team activities are their way of expressing their unhappiness, (3) Kraft and Brady forced the Jimmy G trade on Belichick?

    I don’t believe for one minute that Kraft or Brady pushed for Jimmy G’s trade. Circumstances forced BB into the trade, not any other player or the owner. Belichick figured it out for himself that he couldn’t afford both QBs and that JG wouldn’t voluntarily take a deal that didn’t involve his being a starter. Given where the team was at the time all that went down, it was a purely rational decision by BB to trade JG. Nobody had to force or pressure him into it. It’s unfortunate that it had to happen, but it did have to happen and the best cap manager in football knew what he had to do.

    As far as all this talk about issues, where’s the beef? Brady has talked about wanting to spend more time with his family, he’s doing his usual training regimen, and Kraft says Brady will be there and raring to go when real practice begins. If Brady wants to renegotiate his contract, there’s no reason to think the Patriots won’t sit down and do that. Gronkowski and the team are apparently working on a revised contract right now.

    So yeah, it’s *possible* there’s a lot of ill will between players and Bill Belichick, but it’s equally possible that things are pretty much as they always have been and this is all just the usual off-season cooked-up drama from writers and fans of other teams. For myself, I’m going to wait and see. One thing I’m definitely not going to do is to accept these negative stories as gospel and support them in my own posts.

  49. Lol, look at how many insecure Pats fans responded to me. They’re trying too hard. They now their team has been broken too. They just want to keep living in their delusions.

    It’s basic psychology. Lol

  50. hockeyfan28 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:35 am
    It’s your job to play professional football at a high level I’m not a pats fan but if you need to have to do this and don’t like it go have a blast installing satellite dishes or working the drive thru at Taco Bell
    ________________________

    Orrrrrr play for 31 other professional football teams.

  51. usg1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 9:35 am
    Lol, look at how many insecure Pats fans responded to me. They’re trying too hard. They now their team has been broken too. They just want to keep living in their delusions.

    It’s basic psychology. Lol
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    You’re funny. There’s no delusion. Are any Patriot players talking about the Eagles like the Eagles are talking about the Patriots? The Falcons are still talking about the Patriots, Seattle is still talking about New England… the list goes on. The Giants talked about the Patriots and the Patriots just kept winning. To think the Eagle broke the Patriots is delusional buddy.

  52. nyneal says:
    May 31, 2018 at 8:50 am
    Who gives a damn about whether they are having fun???? Ask a non-football player if they have fun at the jobs they do all day every day!!!!!
    These 21st century players are spoiled brats in many cases and are so used to being coddled and treated like babies, they can’t handle it.
    To all of them —- GROW UP!!!!!!!!
    ______________

    If your job became dreadful, and then you found a different company that was willing to pay you more to do the same job, AND was a much better work environment, would you not also want that?

    No one from 31 other teams are saying their team wasn’t fun. The players may be sick of losing, etc. but the Pats are the only team continuously accused of being boring.

  53. They were the MN Vikings, Cleavland Browns, of their division until a lucky run last year, resulted from the easiest schedule in the NFL.

    Don’t use facts but the Pats schedule was not a minefield either Francis.

  54. usg1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 9:35 am

    Lol, look at how many insecure Pats fans responded to me. They’re trying too hard. They now their team has been broken too. They just want to keep living in their delusions.

    It’s basic psychology. Lol
    ——————————
    Ha! Wow- whats the “psychology” of an insecure fan who goes out of his way to post in an attempt to get a reaction? A bit insecure about your team that you have to post about the best team of the last 2 DECADES?

    For what it’s worth I’m getting the idea that a lot of the Eagles broke the Pats etc posts are not really coming from Eagles fans, but Pats haters with multiple profiles.

  55. the top 3 players on Pittsburgh are not at OTAs but let’s keep speculating about the Pats.

  56. This isn’t an issue… there will always be people willing to play for a winning culture regardless of how much “fun” it is. Therefore the Patriots will have a winning team and along with a few others and all the “fun” teams will be second fiddle.

    Lets see how fun it is for the Eagles to try and repeat.

  57. Been hearing this for over ten years. Somewhere out there is an alternate hater universe where the Raiders became a 2000s dynasty (rather than getting blown out of a SB by the Bucs lol), Peyton Manning actually won a meaningful playoff game rather than being carried to a few by special teams like Weekend at Bernie’s, and Belichick cared deeply about what his critics thought and let it define him.

    But not this one.

  58. Dillon Pauls says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:03 am
    I’d rather work for an employer who let’s you be you, rather than work for an employer who watches you like a damn hawk and stresses you out every single day.
    I get that these players make a lot of money, but at the end of the day, there people too. My life is more worth living happily than anything else, that means work too.

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    In a high performance job with millions at stake you want to work for an employer that helps you meet your potential. It’s about doing more and more every day and pushing yourself. If you are playing at that level (Lets say C level at a large corp is similar) then you aren’t there for the enjoyment of it. You are there to drive.

  59. bkinacti0n says:
    May 31, 2018 at 9:53 am
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    No one from 31 other teams are saying their team wasn’t fun. The players may be sick of losing, etc. but the Pats are the only team continuously accused of being boring.
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    Patriots Boring? LOL…

    If the Patriots were not, by far, the most interesting team in the league, they would not be, by far, the most discussed team in the league by opposing team’s players, opposing team’s management, opposing team’s coaches, the media, and fans everywhere.

  60. dsigrey says:
    May 31, 2018 at 9:03 am
    usg1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 6:08 am
    The Eagles broke the Patriots. I love it

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    And the Broncos before that in 2015, and the Giants before that in 2011, and the Jets before that in 2010 and the Giants before that n 2007 and Indy before that in 2006.

    Losing big games is part of being great. Can’t win’em all, but you have to be in the big game to win it. It hasn’t stopped them before. Won’t stop them now.

    BTW… Patriots fans don’t respond out of insecurity, we respond because we want to talk about football. It’s the offseason… all these discussions are fun.

  61. My comment is a general one, not necessarily focused on the Pats.

    Life’s too short to be miserable at the thing you spend most of your life doing. I enjoy work and make good money. Don’t be miserable making someone else rich.

  62. usg1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 9:35 am
    Lol, look at how many insecure Pats fans responded to me. They’re trying too hard. They now their team has been broken too. They just want to keep living in their delusions.

    It’s basic psychology. Lol
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    That’s what the Giants fans said as well. lol

  63. cadreamer1969 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 8:47 am
    It’s the same old media stuff. Tom Jackson stated years ago that the players hated BB and he had lost the team. Then they went to Superbowls. The media ignores the positive comments from the players.

    ———————
    BB didn’t forget it either:

    “After winning the Super Bowl, Jackson went up to Belichick and extended his hand, Belichick didn’t forget the comments from Jackson and simply replied “F*** you”.

    That was fantastic.

  64. Whatever the reasons and whatever the trigger, it’s becoming more and more clear that something has changed in New England.

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    Yeah…it changes every year. 2 years ago Brady was suspended and the media nonsense was deflategate. Now it’s some other media nonsense.

  65. I love how Eagles fans act like they have been good forever when the fact is they have been one of the least successful teams in the NFL most of their existence. They were the MN Vikings, Cleavland Browns, of their division until a lucky run last year, resulted from the easiest schedule in the NFL.

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    Head to head , who’s won more games Eagles or Pats?

  66. bkinacti0n says:
    May 31, 2018 at 9:53 am

    If your job became dreadful, and then you found a different company that was willing to pay you more to do the same job, AND was a much better work environment, would you not also want that?
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    A better question would be – If someone offered you a job paying less than you make now (a considerable amount less) – but was waaaay more fun. Would you take it? (i.e. is money or fun at work more important)

  67. Reigning in Philly says:
    May 31, 2018 at 5:41 am
    Ross Tucker talked about his time in NE. He stated that it was the most negative environment he’s ever been in. He went on to say player happiness should be zero concern to fans, which is true.
    Until the NE environment starts impacting the play on the field then there should be zero concern by fans.
    And one more thing, the Eagles players need to stop talking about NE, it’s getting ridiculous.

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    Why is it that all the ex-players that talk badly about NE also suck or at least were not able achieve success there.

    Players don’t like to be pushed to their potential. How do you think the Patriots turn 3rd string guys into starters. They push them.

  68. usg1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 6:08 am
    The Eagles broke the Patriots. I love it
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    Yeah, except it’s the Eagles players that can’t seem to stop talking about the Patriots??? They won the SB and still can’t get New England out of their head??? Who broke who??? The Eagles have won one SB in their entire existence… they need to get over the Patriots and enjoy it (have some FUN).
    _______

    LOL. Well said.

  69. It is really a non story. On one side you have a steroid user who says a team he never played for is no fun to play for…ok. You have a contradictory player who is on record as saying NE was great…until it wasn’t…because he was not willing or capable of doing anything that he did not like doing…now talking smack. Yet another who was overpaid as a free agent and did not last long after leaving NE. You also have and 2 current players, one who wants more money and one who wants to be appreciated. Tommy and Robby should put on their big boy pants and suck it up. Billy needs to be a little more flexible too. All of them have made a @#it ton of money and no one is getting to the truth of that matter, that their success is not do to one or the other but a collective effort.

    At this point I wish they had traded TB and kept JG

  70. bkinacti0n says:
    May 31, 2018 at 9:53 am
    nyneal says:
    May 31, 2018 at 8:50 am
    Who gives a damn about whether they are having fun???? Ask a non-football player if they have fun at the jobs they do all day every day!!!!!
    These 21st century players are spoiled brats in many cases and are so used to being coddled and treated like babies, they can’t handle it.
    To all of them —- GROW UP!!!!!!!!
    ______________

    If your job became dreadful, and then you found a different company that was willing to pay you more to do the same job, AND was a much better work environment, would you not also want that?

    No one from 31 other teams are saying their team wasn’t fun. The players may be sick of losing, etc. but the Pats are the only team continuously accused of being boring.

    ———–

    If by “continuously” you mean one guy that spent half a season there then yeah…..sure

  71. nyneal says:
    May 31, 2018 at 8:50 am
    Who gives a damn about whether they are having fun???? Ask a non-football player if they have fun at the jobs they do all day every day!!!!!

    *************************************************************************************

    Totally. Everyone should hate their jobs and be miserable with their awful lives. Same with relationships — they should be miserable and devoid of any enjoyment. Life should just be miserable, all the time. Nothing meaningful or worthwhile.

  72. The Patriots have all the fun at the super bowl parades. That’s what it’s all about.

  73. The nitwits will be saying the team is “broken” while the Patriots are lacing em up to play in yet another AFC championship game this year. It must hurt to wish so hard, but wishiing and hoping Is really all you’ve had for 2 decades, so I guess you’re used to it.

    For the record, I’m having “fun” in case anyone is asking…

  74. RWayne signed a 1 yr 2.8 mil retirement contract with the Pats. He probably thought he was gonna cruise thru his last yr while having a chance at another ring. When he discovered he had to put in the work, he wanted no part of it. The Pats let him keep his 450,000 signing bonus anyway, even though he signed on Aug 24 and requested his release Sept 6th. Hope he had fun with the free money.

  75. ahummler72 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 8:26 am

    You know the dynasty is over the day Pats fans are complaining about Calls, lol!!
    ***************************
    What’s to complain about? Everybody knows all the calls go for the Pats. That is unless they don’t.

  76. bkinacti0n says:
    May 31, 2018 at 9:53 am

    If your job became dreadful, and then you found a different company that was willing to pay you more to do the same job, AND was a much better work environment, would you not also want that?

    No one from 31 other teams are saying their team wasn’t fun. The players may be sick of losing, etc. but the Pats are the only team continuously accused of being boring.
    ========================
    But it’s not one or the other at hand here. It’s both. Given a choice between winning and having fun, every player would choose to win. It wouldn’t even be close. It’s fine to complain about not having fun. But it’s also equally fine to call out the entitlement that goes along with that.

  77. peytonwantsaflag says:
    May 31, 2018 at 10:05 am
    the top 3 players on Pittsburgh are not at OTAs but let’s keep speculating about the Pats.

    *******************************************************************************

    Pats homers only know how to talk about the Pats when articles about other teams come up. Something remotely derogatory about the Pats comes up, said homers all of a sudden start deflecting. Ironic.

  78. Was wondering where this year’s extra motivation was going to come from… “They say we don’t have fun. They say we don’t care about each other. They say we’re all done. Now let’s go remind everyone who we really are.”

    #6

  79. Pats homers only know how to talk about the Pats when articles about other teams come up. Something remotely derogatory about the Pats comes up, said homers all of a sudden start deflecting. Ironic.
    _____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Actually, no. What’s ironic is a Pats hater posting a derogatory comment on a Pats article then calling out Pats fans for doing the same thing?

  80. “If you’ve ever watched a Bill Belichick press conference, he never looks like he’s having any fun, so how can anyone else being having fun ? He never smiles and looks and sounds like a grump, “….onto the Bengals”. This guy doesn’t have fun.”

    Having seen various practices over the years, the only ones they don’t look like they are having any fun at are the ones where a lot of mistakes are being made and they spend a lot of time running laps.

    Bill sure looks like he’s having fun at the Ring parties. He sure looks like he’s having fun betting nights/days off for the team if guys like Vollmer and Wilfork can field some punts during practice.

    This offseason has been different with Brady sitting out OTAs without an injury, but we’ll see how much this really matters at the end of the season. Maybe this is the end of the Brady era. Maybe the Pats bring home another Lombardi. Players have to play the game.

  81. lifetimefan says:

    May 31, 2018 at 10:31 am

    It is really a non story. On one side you have a steroid user who says a team he never played for is no fun to play for…ok. You have a contradictory player who is on record as saying NE was great…until it wasn’t…because he was not willing or capable of doing anything that he did not like doing…now talking smack. Yet another who was overpaid as a free agent and did not last long after leaving NE. You also have and 2 current players, one who wants more money and one who wants to be appreciated. Tommy and Robby should put on their big boy pants and suck it up. Billy needs to be a little more flexible too. All of them have made a @#it ton of money and no one is getting to the truth of that matter, that their success is not do to one or the other but a collective effort.

    At this point I wish they had traded TB and kept JG

    =============================

    JG makes a lot more money than TB now. I would rather the proven commodity and the cheaper cap hit than JG.

  82. Reading that makes me think about the coach in the movie “Varsity Blues”. Everybody hated him, but they won, so people put up with it, until one player stood up against it. It would be funny if one big-time player stood up against Belichick and he ended up walking away.

    For all the commenters, yes I realize that was a movie and it was high school. I just think the similarities are kinda funny.

  83. It’s pretty crazy that comments from Cassius Marsh carry such weight now. Did he ever get this much attention when he was with Seattle? When he said how much enjoyed his time with the Patriots last November, did it generate multiple articles? Does anyone believe he’s going to become a star with the 49ers and be giving weekly press conferences?

  84. mmmpierogi says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:46 pm

    Pats homers only know how to talk about the Pats when articles about other teams come up. Something remotely derogatory about the Pats comes up, said homers all of a sudden start deflecting. Ironic.
    ===================
    Yet here is an article about the Pats and you’re chiming in ….

    Ironic indeed.

  85. fireroger says:
    May 31, 2018 at 10:21 am
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    That’s what the Giants fans said as well. lol

    Please don’t compare us to Philly fans.

    That being said, sports are fun, but at the professional level, winning IS the business.

    To paraphrase my previously moderated comment, it’s time to scrap scores, standing and playoffs, and just give everyone a participation trophy.

  86. If Marsh had said something positive or even neutral about his time with the Patriots, there’s no way it gets any coverage. Since he said something negative, it’s a sign the franchise is falling apart.

  87. Sadly, we’ll never get the 5th and 7th round draft choices we traded to the Seahawks for this failure. Hope he has “fun” with the 49ers. We’d rather have guys who believe in the slogan “No Days Off” here in New England. How many Super Bowl rings does Cassius Marsh have?

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