Belichick: What’s important to us is to win

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The Patriot Way has come under attack in recent days, from those who claim that the Patriots don’t have fun. To no surprise, coach Bill Belichick says it’s not about fun.

Asked during a Thursday press conference whether it’s important for you to come up with ways for players to feel like they’re enjoying themselves as they’re putting in the work that you ask them to put in,” Belichick was characteristically blunt.

“We feel what’s important to us is to win,” Belichick said. “So that’s really what we’re trying to do.”

Asked next about criticism from people like Eagles tackle Lane Johnson, Belichick was characteristically dismissive.

“Yeah, we’re focused on what we’re doing, trying to get better and taking each day we can to try to improve our football team,” Belichick said. “Not really focused on what everybody else is doing.”

Regardless, the noise of the Patriots being a No Fun Team seems to be growing. With guys like Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski opting to have actual fun in lieu of showing up for the daily effort to improve, it’s hard not to think there’s something to it this time.

179 responses to “Belichick: What’s important to us is to win

  1. Not a Patriots fan at all, However, these guys complaining must not care about winning or being NFL champs. I wouldn’t want them on my team either.
    Lombardi did not have many players who loved him, but the majority respected him.

  2. The Patriot Way is so terrible that other teams are snapping up players and staff with Patriots pedigree. They know winning is the real fun.

  3. Winning is everything. It is why the players are paid, it is why the coaches are paid, and it is what the fans expect. If having fun improves the odds of winning, perhaps you can point to something other than anecdotal evidence of that.

  4. the players coming into the league now got trophies even if they finished in last place…everyone is a champion. they don’t care about winning they just wanna have fun. wouldn’t be surprised to see the hoodie retire once Tom is gone.

  5. RE LEE says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:27 pm

    The Patriot Way is so terrible that other teams are snapping up players and staff with Patriots pedigree. They know winning is the real fun.
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    And none of them have done squatta!

  6. The focus has always been towards one common goal. It’s the standard NFL line – We are in the business of winning. In my workplace, there is a segment that feel they could produce more favorable results if their ideas were implemented – but I’ve always noticed it would include reducing their workload.

  7. All 31 other NFL teams aspire to have the success enjoyed by the Patriots. Coach Belichick has a formula and he knows precisely what he’s doing. Some other coaches may prefer to get closer to their players and have fun joking around with them but that is not Bill’s style and how can you argue with the results. The objective is to win and he understands that better than anyone else.
    This so called drama about New England is simply fake news and is being promoted by some in the NFL media who want to see the Patriots lose.

  8. I bet before Brady and Gronk had a bunch of rings winning was what mattered. Younger guys coming in don’t have the ring, so having examples that show them the work ethic required to win a championship is crucial. No one can blame Brady or Gronk for dialing it back..but when you don’t want to do the work or set the standard anymore it’s time to Jimmy Johnson.

  9. I can’t believe that these stories are even newsworthy. The whole goal in every sport at most every level is to win. I say “most” because with kids you try to mix in more fun because practice can really get tedious. Does Belichick get paid to go out and have fun? Does any coach take the job with “fun” as his primary goal. These head coaches and their assistants that don’t win quickly are fired and jobless and moving their families anywhere that they can find the next job. I’m guessing that process of getting fired and moving is not very “fun” either. Win or get fired is their life. I’m not a Patriots fan, in fact I hate them, but they win and they win a lot and I respect that, envy that, and want that for my team. For the players that are millionaires many times over and saying that it is hard work….I just want to puke when I read that.

  10. As an Eagles fan I don’t care what it’s like in NE.
    I only care how my Eagles are doing.
    And I assume that’s how every other fan is.

  11. They left out the last part of that Quote “And we will cheat to do it”.
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    The irony of Eagles fans clinging to the words of Lane Johnson, an actual cheat who has twice been suspended by the league for real cheating is not lost.

  12. Patriots had arguably the easiest road to the Super Bowl in modern NFL history. Then played a backup QB in the Super Bowl and 40 year old Tom Brady had a great game. And they still lost.

    If they don’t drastically improve that defense soon the dynasty is over.

  13. We heard the same talk after Pete Carroll won his Super Bowl – you can win and have fun! These players win one time and they talk about how their way is better. At least get a second ring before you start talking. Let’s see if the Lane Jonhson’s are having as much fun next February.

  14. Should be 3-5 in Superbowls at best. Falcons and Seahawks CHOKED.
    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years.

  15. Most teams would have tanked with 17 guys IR, mostly starters and most before the season started or soon after, a few other strong teams would have tried but faded away as the subsequent injury toll also took out some of the 2nd string team. But the Pats amazingly still got to their 8th SB in 16yrs! Yet they fell 8 points short of the Eagles on the day and so all the salty ones say it’s somehow proof the Pats have imploded and are finished. Last year it was adding back a phantom 0.5psi that would prove the Pats couldn’t win. What will be the salty claim next offseason?

  16. jagsfan1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:50 pm
    Should be 3-5 in Superbowls at best. Falcons and Seahawks CHOKED.
    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years.

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    Yeah, everyone forgets what a powerhouse the AFC South has been over the course of it’s existence.

  17. Bill doesn’t mince words. People try to overanalyze what he says.

    When he said the decision to bench Malcolm Butler was ‘a football decision’, he meant exactly that. To believe the conspiracy theories, you’d have to believe that Bill intentionally made his team worse to prove a point. Absurd. Why would he work so hard all year and then purposefully flush the super bowl down the toilet? Now you can argue that it was a lousy football decision, but he believed it was best for the team that day.

  18. Watching the Duck boat parades, the Patriots players look absolutely euphoric. They appear to be having the best time of their professional lives.

  19. chickensalad43 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:45 pm
    Patriots had arguably the easiest road to the Super Bowl in modern NFL history. Then played a backup QB in the Super Bowl…
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    Foles has started 39 of the 49 games in his career, hardly a mere “backup”. Pats had a tough road and a ton of injuries (especially on D). Then in the SB itself got unlucky from a 50/50 call on a bobbled TD, and the refs allowed an illegal formation on the Philly Special, and allowed Gronk and Hogan to be mugged on the final mary. That’s 21 points which could/should have gone the other way.

  20. Belichick hasn’t changed since I started following him with the NYG back in 1986, the players and game are the ones that changed…his formula and thinking hasn’t.

    Most of you hit the nail on the head that this is a “job” and the job is too win. Most of us do NOT have fun at our daily jobs.

    I think these comments are the outcome of an entire generation receiving participation awards and having fun their entire life dating back to the mid-1990s when most of them first started playing sports as a kindergartener.

  21. jagsfan1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:50 pm
    Should be 3-5 in Superbowls at best. Falcons and Seahawks CHOKED.
    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years.
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    Really? And this coming from a Jaguars fan?

  22. jagsfan1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:50 pm
    Should be 3-5 in Superbowls at best. Falcons and Seahawks CHOKED

    Excuses excuses excuses

    It’s funny the Seahawks were in position to win that is to a lucky catch.
    It’s not “choking when that play worked for them plenty of times throughout the season. Butler just made a good play.

    And when you score 31 points on a team in the second half credit should also be given to that team.

    But we get it to the Crybabies the last 18 years has all been luck, cheating, refs being paid off. The other team choking, easy scheduling
    Blah blah blah

    Basically what excuse the non patriot fans can come up with because they are not man enough to admit they are just goood.

  23. Brady and Gronk are not going to improve. Each has pretty much mastered his position. When they start missing offense vs defense drills, then maybe there’s a problem.

    Blaming Brady and Gronk is also foolish. The blame should be shared here and Belichick must be allocated a share of it. If your management style is to the point where your best players want no part of you, maybe it’s time to show that you can be flexible and work with people and can work with a different generation of players.

  24. What next? The media will demand that the players be able to interview coaching hires and ask questions like:
    – how much fun will you let us have?
    – how important is fun to you?
    – is fun more important than winning?
    – would you take the blame for something that a player did?

    I swear players will demand participation trophies, and fidget spinners, and stupid things that have nothing to do with winning but everything to do with satisfying their silly emotional whims.

  25. vavikingfan says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:39 pm

    Let’s see what happens next year with the Eagles.
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    Let’s see how much fun they have on their way to 9-7

  26. “…by whatever means necessary.” Come on, everybody knows this guy is just like Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds: Great talent, but totally tainted by MULTIPLE PROVEN EXAMPLES OF CHEATING. And those are just the ones where the bumbling NFL caught them or couldn’t look the other way. ASTERISKS, Pats fans. ASTERISKS forever. Quit playing, you know it’s true.

  27. Belichick once showed up at a Randy Moss roller skating party mid-season dressed as a pirate. Oh, but it was a really mean unfun pirate or whatever.

  28. Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years.
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    Weak AFC in general.

    They absolutely owned Mannings Colts.. The Steelers went to 3 Super Bowls, but they only played the Pats once in that window (2004).. the Broncos are the only other team worth mentioning, and they beat the Pats twice (2013, 2015)

  29. irishgary says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:24 pm
    Not a Patriots fan at all, However, these guys complaining must not care about winning or being NFL champs. I wouldn’t want them on my team either.
    Lombardi did not have many players who loved him, but the majority respected him.

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    Right. But, it’s also very inaccurate.

    Pats fans have seen guys like Ty Law, Branch, Seymour, Samuel, Mankins etc, through the years have somewhat delusional financial reqeusts, where BB walks and those guys go to loser franchises. That’s what loser franchises do..They run their mouth, do dumb things and rinse and repeat.

    Again, that’s what what the Cap and FA is all about there. Players have the right to seek maxiumum value, absolutely, but that is also their choice. Malcom Butler was offered a very fair Chris Harris style contract and acted like a total baby, yet he owes almost all of it to BB and the fact he was given an extended tryout and coached up in 2014 to make that play in SB 49. Good on him to take the coaching, but NE called him to hire him. See?

    The irony is, BB is the best ever as a GM and a Coach, and I’ll be real honest here, his alliance in ANY capacity with Trump, including Brady, does him no favors. So, the media is also preying on this. As a Pats fan, I cringed when I saw the hat go into Brady’s locker and I honestly believed Trump was lying when he said BB wrote him a note on election night. I thought it was made up.

    I HOPE Kraft, BB and Brady regret these awful decisions, but they’re not bad people either.

    IMO, this entire acquaintance that Kraft has had with Trump in the business world, now onto Belichick and to Brady, is a colossal gaffe from a PR standpoint. This is why you never mix politics and religion in the office. Pretty basic stuff, but the Pats misfired here, because it’s been open season for any possible reason, real or imagined, via the lying, disgusting media.

    It will be seen as the rich getting richer, calling the shots, etc, and that’s on Kraft, BB and Brady to now deal with those consequences. SO, the media uses it, blames BB the white, old guy, even though Butler was off the rails and completely out of line, letting the entire team down, with the media refusing to ask him if any of what has been reported is true. I know it’s true because I trsut the beatwriter’s (MIke Giardi) info. He’s a legit reporter, as are Jeff Howe and someone like Doug Kyed.

    Trump is so toxic, that even an indirect business relationship with him in the past is a question mark to anyone, and this has added more fuel to all of this embarrassing sensationalism.

    That aside, I can tell you the players LOVE playing for BB. Absolutely love it. They take paycuts, FAs bang down the door to play there, and want to win, if they are winners that is. If they are losers, only want the highest salary possible, BB sniffs it out and gets rid of them, THANKFULLY SO. This is what I WANT as a longtime fan and with season tickets in my family since 1978.

    There is only one real way to maintain order and that’s to be fair, upfront/transparent and consistent, and that is exactly what BB does.

    Obviously, with Brady being a bit of a passive-aggressive baby of late, BB has had to adjust within that, but I don’t want him deviating from what is a tried and true recipe for the greatest sports franchise in history.

    It’s just that simple.

    Other teams can have their loser, low character and unprofessional people like Lane JOhnson, Marsh, Brooks and whoever else.

    The trollwork by the media is repulsive. They keep regurgitating the same myths and lies that have been debunked 1000 times, but no one seems to get that.

    The Pats will play in their 8th straight title game this year, go no worse than 12-4 as they do every year, and MUCH of that is due to the brilliance of BB the GM and coach, not becuase he has Brady.

    If BB kept JimmyyG, I can guarantee you 10-6+ if not 11-5+ and no worse than hosting a Wild Card game.

    Brady is good for 2 “should have lost that one” per year. No doubt. Great luxury to have, but Brady owes much of his career to BB (and Kraft for trading for BB).

  30. pastabelly says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:05 pm

    Brady and Gronk are not going to improve. Each has pretty much mastered his position. When they start missing offense vs defense drills, then maybe there’s a problem.

    Blaming Brady and Gronk is also foolish. The blame should be shared here and Belichick must be allocated a share of it. If your management style is to the point where your best players want no part of you, maybe it’s time to show that you can be flexible and work with people and can work with a different generation of players.
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    Blame for what?

  31. patsrthegreatest says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:53 pm
    jagsfan1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:50 pm
    Should be 3-5 in Superbowls at best. Falcons and Seahawks CHOKED.
    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years. Some years the terrible teams are merely “bad”, but that’s about it.

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    Yeah, everyone forgets what a powerhouse the AFC South has been over the course of it’s existence.

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    The AFC South has the occasional flash in the pan, even post-Peyton. The AFC East doesn’t.

  32. cheetasnevaprospa says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:08 pm
    “…by whatever means necessary.” Come on, everybody knows this guy is just like Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds: Great talent, but totally tainted by MULTIPLE PROVEN EXAMPLES OF CHEATING. And those are just the ones where the bumbling NFL caught them or couldn’t look the other way. ASTERISKS, Pats fans. ASTERISKS forever. Quit playing, you know it’s true.

    You know you are jealous of a team when you take the time to make a lame user name

  33. I’m sure BB’s reaction to all this is what he said to Tom Jackson when Jackson extended his hand for a handshake with BB.

  34. Should be 3-5 in Superbowls at best. Falcons and Seahawks CHOKED.
    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years.
    ______________________________________________________________________________________________________

    This coming from a fan of a team that has been the laughing stock of the NFL for the better half of 20 years. What a joke!

  35. The AFC South has the occasional flash in the pan, even post-Peyton. The AFC East doesn’t.

    Then what’s your excuse for the Patriots have almost the exact same win % outside the division?
    Wich is more impressive since they play 10 games a year outside the division

  36. cheetasnevaprospa says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:08 pm

    …MULTIPLE PROVEN EXAMPLES OF CHEATING.
    ———————

    Please name one proven example of cheating.

  37. What I don’t get is why reporters would ask questions, when they already know what the answer will be.

  38. chickensalad43 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:45 pm
    Patriots had arguably the easiest road to the Super Bowl in modern NFL history. Then played a backup QB in the Super Bowl and 40 year old Tom Brady had a great game. And they still lost.

    If they don’t drastically improve that defense soon the dynasty is over.

    __________________

    The Patriots had 6 starters on defense out for the entire playoffs.

    LB Donta Hightower
    LB Harvey Langi (Who was their best defensive player all last preseason before his car accident)
    LB Derek Rivers (top draft pick in 2017 that broke Youngtown State sack record by 19)
    DT Vincent Valentine (BB’s most underrated DT curently outside of Trey Flowers)
    CB Jonathan Jones- (the man played better than Malcolm Butler in a handful of games before his injury around Christmas)

    Injuries happen, it happens to evey team, every year. But if these 5 startes are in..Eagles don’t win the Super Bowl.

    Regardless, Eagles won it. Tip your hat to them. But the defense has improved just by getting healthy.

    Also, CB Jason McCourty and DT Danny Shelton were both added in trades since March to the Patriots defense.

    So you seem to be wrong.

  39. Since this is the NFL DEAD ZONE period, it is amazing how many speculative articles are written or most likely made up. It all sounds like a bunch of horse hooey.

  40. I wonder how the Forty Niner Dynasty players felt about playing for Eddie “D” and Bill Walsh?
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    Game changers.

    Forced the League to create the salary cap in order to level the playing field.

  41. Well, now that Patricia is gone that chances should increase!

  42. Now that Patrica is gone, your chances will increase!

    Good Luck Lions, hahahahaha!

  43. belichickdominatedjoemontana says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:18 pm
    chickensalad43 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:45 pm
    Patriots had arguably the easiest road to the Super Bowl in modern NFL history. Then played a backup QB in the Super Bowl and 40 year old Tom Brady had a great game. And they still lost.

    If they don’t drastically improve that defense soon the dynasty is over.

    __________________

    The Patriots had 6 starters on defense out for the entire playoffs.

    LB Donta Hightower
    LB Harvey Langi (Who was their best defensive player all last preseason before his car accident)
    LB Derek Rivers (top draft pick in 2017 that broke Youngtown State sack record by 19)
    DT Vincent Valentine (BB’s most underrated DT curently outside of Trey Flowers)
    CB Jonathan Jones- (the man played better than Malcolm Butler in a handful of games before his injury around Christmas)

    Injuries happen, it happens to evey team, every year. But if these 5 startes are in..Eagles don’t win the Super Bowl.

    Regardless, Eagles won it. Tip your hat to them. But the defense has improved just by getting healthy.

    Also, CB Jason McCourty and DT Danny Shelton were both added in trades since March to the Patriots defense.

    So you seem to be wrong.

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    Good post and partially true. I wouldn’t over-sell rookies like Rivers or Langhi, though. They may be good, sure, but we don’t know.

    I was a McClellin guy. I thought the way BB used him was awesome. You had Chung as the best Rover in the league and then McClellin with his awesome speed and ahtleticism, now retiring due to concussions, was also a small, yet big missing piece for the D in 2016.

    I do believe, Marquis Flowers, ironically, the guy who replaced him and made the outstanding play on Clement on that fake TD in the end zone in the SB, did a good job in replacing him.

    But, yes, your overall point is taken. I do believe it’s possible Butler may have been Inactive altogether if Jon JOnes didn’t break his foot late in the year. Jon Jones is a good player, and will be in the mix in the slot with C. Jones (possible 2nd rd bust), and others like this new guy Crossen.

    Jones has a 38″ vertical leap and has awesome closing speed.

  44. mmack66 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:17 pm
    cheetasnevaprospa says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:08 pm

    …MULTIPLE PROVEN EXAMPLES OF CHEATING.
    ———————

    Please name one proven example of cheating.

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    Thay can’t do it. They also ignore Peyton Manning’s rampant cheating with HGH and that cover up, the Broncos cap infractions, the Jets numerous shenanigans, etc, etc, etc.

  45. All this non-sensical “who’s having the most fun” talk this week reminds me of an old Belichick quote from 1985…

    Belichick: “You think he’s funny? You think this is cute? You think he’s ‘bitchin,’ is that it? Let me tell you something. Look at him – he’s a bum. You want to see something funny? You go visit (insert cut player name) in five years. You’ll see how goddamned funny he is.”

  46. Instead of listening to Lane Johnson, who never even played for the Patriots – let’s go back to 2016 so see what his former Eagle teammates had to say about playing for the Patriots:

    “This is where I wanted to be,” defensive end Chris Long said about selecting the Patriots in free agency. “I’m happy to be here. You show up here. The established guys are all unselfish. It’s not about what your role is. It’s about doing whatever your role is the best you can. That can change week to week. You just roll with it and trust. It might not always be what you’re used to, but it’s all about the buy-in. It’s about winning. It’s a good place to be.”

    “I have a really good relationship with Bill,” running back LeGarrette Blount said, via CSNNE.com. “I love Bill to death. He’s always had my back from the beginning, from the first time I met him. I think he’s probably going to have it forever. We just have a really great relationship. I like everything that he does, I respect him a lot. I think he’s going to go down in history as the best coach to ever coach this game.”

    And I can guarantee you that they had plenty of fun in their final game as Patriots.

  47. jagsfan1 says:

    Should be 3-5 in Superbowls at best. Falcons and Seahawks CHOKED.
    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years

    Let’s talk about division strength
    Bill. 200-71 with the Pats through 2016

    In division 74-27 wp.732
    Out of division 126-44 wp .741

    so they have a better record in the at least 10 games they play outside the division than inside.
    Facts really obviate nonsense

  48. jagsfan1 says:

    May 31, 2018 at 12:50 pm

    Should be 3-5 in Superbowls at best. Falcons and Seahawks CHOKED.
    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years.

    ===============================================

    Pats easily could be 7-1 if not for the Helmet Catch or Welker’s drop. Goes both ways, dude. Some games come down to just a couple plays. And Pats winning pct. in and out of division isn’t that much different at all. And that is with the added challenge of playing a first place out of division schedule just about every single year.

  49. At the end of the day, millennials want to enjoy what they do while also working hard (yes, I know many will debate the “working hard”). Bill can’t win games by himself so this system won’t work for much longer; they won’t be able to get the best out of players. All good things eventually come to an end.

  50. To think this is all stemming from players in an organization that has 1 Super Bowl in 60 years, the iggles ,Patriots have been relevant for 18 years iggles really will and never have been relevant

  51. All Mute here: Most teams (if not all) follow the same mindset. Difference is they do in a legit manner with at least some degree of integrity.

    Bill Belichik Pre Brady: 41-55 – and fired
    Bill Belichik with Brady: 200-62
    Tom Brady made Belichick
    Nothing under BB is legit for the Pats either way….congressional probe, destruction of evidence, obstruction of justice etc etc.

  52. Law of the jungle,it goes for coaches and players, and every one else in this country who a SS#. if your name isn’t on the bottom right of the check, you’re just a spare part in the junk yard.

  53. aarons444 says:

    May 31, 2018 at 1:08 pm

    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years.
    =====

    Weak AFC in general.

    They absolutely owned Mannings Colts.. The Steelers went to 3 Super Bowls, but they only played the Pats once in that window (2004).. the Broncos are the only other team worth mentioning, and they beat the Pats twice (2013, 2015)

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    Brady-led Pats winning pct.

    vs AFC .778
    vs. NFC .766

    not much of a statistical difference. moot point.

  54. As others have suggested – the difference between Belichick and other famously successful coaches is that most of then would quickly share his sentiment that “What’s important for us is to win”. However, we all know that what Belichick really means by that is “at all costs” which is the real shame. Either way, their window is rapidly closing but we all must admit it was a great run. It’ll be interesting to see how the last year or two plays out.

  55. Please name one proven example of cheating.
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    Each and every case the NFL has fined or stripped the Patriots of draft picks.

  56. “Regardless, the noise of the Patriots being a No Fun Team seems to be growing.”

    Really??

    it only seems like that cause you keep writing about it, if you didn’t keep the story artificially going it would be a non-story. slow news cycle is what makes this an issue

  57. Listen, as much as I hate them….having fun or not having fun, the Patriots will be contenders in the mix at the end of this season regardless of all this BS being said now. They will just use this nonsense as fuel to their fire and show us all exactly how much fun they’ll have by winning the AFC East AGAIN and having home field throughout the playoffs. Belichek, cheater or not, knows how to squeeze blood from a stone and take another team’s cast offs or late round draft choices and make them relevant. He’s done it over and over and over again, even before he was a head coach. I would LOVE to say the “dynasty” is over, but let’s get real. It’s not over….not even close.

  58. Can’t stand the Pats, but I love Belichick and all of his interviews. Especially when reporters get frustrated that he won’t give them the story they’re seeking.

  59. Foles has started 39 of the 49 games in his career, hardly a mere “backup”. Pats had a tough road and a ton of injuries (especially on D). Then in the SB itself got unlucky from a 50/50 call on a bobbled TD, and the refs allowed an illegal formation on the Philly Special, and allowed Gronk and Hogan to be mugged on the final mary. That’s 21 points which could/should have gone the other way.

    ————

    So Foles has only been in the league for 49 games? 3 years?

  60. Such an utterly miserable organization that Kobe Bryant showed up at Patriots practice yesterday.
    Either way, not clear on why Lane Johnson and the other jamoke can’t simply enjoy their championship. Not as if it happens regularly for the Eagles. I don’t hear Belichick, Brady or anyone else on New England begrudging them their win. And despite being big underdogs, I don’t see Brad Stevens or Jaylen Brown rubbing their 5-game win in the faces of Brett Brown or Ben Simmons?

  61. aarons444 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:08 pm
    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years.
    =====

    Weak AFC in general.

    They absolutely owned Mannings Colts.. The Steelers went to 3 Super Bowls, but they only played the Pats once in that window (2004).. the Broncos are the only other team worth mentioning, and they beat the Pats twice (2013, 2015)
    *************

    Team Super Bowls this Century. The AFC has won 12 out of 18. The Patriots have appeared in eight of them, which is almost half. It seems the Patriots would have to have won every Super Bowl this century for some of you people to get it. Not winning them all is somehow proof that it’s a failed concept?

    It is the NFC that has been the weaker conference. And those that check the statistics will see that the AFC East has a higher winning percentage than most of the other divisions.

  62. Most of these players grow up being the center of attention wherever they go. When they get to a place like New England and they’re not the most important thing, and they’re not made to feel valuable, and they have to work extremely hard, some of them crumble. I don’t think Lane Johnson or that Brooks guy, or Cassius Marsh could ever play for Parcells, or Coughlin either.

  63. aarons444 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:08 pm
    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years.
    =====

    Weak AFC in general.

    They absolutely owned Mannings Colts..
    __________________________
    Manning 6 Pats 9 in regular season
    Manning 3 Pats 2 in playoffs

    Hardly ‘owned’

  64. aarons444 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:52 pm
    Please name one proven example of cheating.
    ======

    Each and every case the NFL has fined or stripped the Patriots of draft picks.

    0 0 Rate This

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    Right. And, in each case the Pats were framed where the NFL customer was lied to. While, in other REAL cheating cases, teams are protected or barely punished with meaningless fines.

    Get it yet?

    The only time a team caught in violation lately that had picks stolen, where it looks somewhat fair, is the Chiefs (tampering) and Browns (texting to the field). But, in both those cases, more owners ganged up on those franchises likely in their divisions, like the Rooneys for Pitt, and Denver and Elway for the Chiefs situation, to help deflect from the Framegate II and the fact Elway and Goodell were busy covering for Manning and his HGH on his way otu the door, cheating to block the Pats from another possible SB appearance.

    It’s just not that confusing.

    NE would have loved to have had their 1st rd pick in SB 46 and their 1st and 4th in last year’s SUper Bowl, while literally cheated by RULE in the game itself, right in front of everyone.

    Anyone standing next to Roger Goodell, hand in hand, as a fraud and liar, is one themselves.

    Period.

    You enjoy being a disingenuous fraud, Erin.

  65. Team Super Bowls this Century. The AFC has won 12 out of 18. The Patriots have appeared in eight of them, which is almost half. It seems the Patriots would have to have won every Super Bowl this century for some of you people to get it. Not winning them all is somehow proof that it’s a failed concept?

    It is the NFC that has been the weaker conference. And those that check the statistics will see that the AFC East has a higher winning percentage than most of the other divisions.

    ——————————

    Fascinating concept, isn’t it?

  66. I’m a Eagles fan and have to admit, some of the players just need to enjoy the championship vs the New England Patriots. Just enjoy the season and keep your mouth shut & prepare for 2018.

  67. Pats easily could be 7-1 if not for the Helmet Catch or Welker’s drop. Goes both ways, dude. Some games come down to just a couple plays. And Pats winning pct. in and out of division isn’t that much different at all. And that is with the added challenge of playing a first place out of division schedule just about every single year.

    2 0 Rate This

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    Or, Goodell’s cheating leading to losses in SB 42 (Distraction with walkthrough tape story planted by troll media or possibly the Giants/Goodell themselves), SB 46 (stolen 1st rd pick would have helped), and this past year (giving Philly 2 free TDs, that clearly were not, by ignoring such clear black and white rules).

    Gee, I wonder why ratings are collapsing?

    The owners, even Kraft who signed off on re-signing Goodell, simply don’t get it.

    Money is not everything. This is more proof. Their plan to cheat and slow down the Pats has actually backfired, even if somewhat successful.

  68. @tylawspick6

    Let the Trump hate go man. You candidate was one of the most disgustingly dishonest and unlikable people to ever run for office. Even Donald Trump beat her! But chin up man….you only have 6 1/2 more years to go!!

  69. Keep beating that drum Mike. You have no idea what Brady and Gronk have agreed to with Kraft and BB.

    When they all show up to mandatory mini camp as promised then what?

  70. ikeclanton says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:38 pm
    All this non-sensical “who’s having the most fun” talk this week reminds me of an old Belichick quote from 1985…

    Belichick: “You think he’s funny? You think this is cute? You think he’s ‘bitchin,’ is that it? Let me tell you something. Look at him – he’s a bum. You want to see something funny? You go visit (insert cut player name) in five years. You’ll see how goddamned funny he is.”

    —————————

    LOL!

    Winner. Slam dunk….Winner.

  71. nhpats says:
    May 31, 2018 at 2:28 pm
    @tylawspick6

    Let the Trump hate go man. You candidate was one of the most disgustingly dishonest and unlikable people to ever run for office. Even Donald Trump beat her! But chin up man….you only have 6 1/2 more years to go!!
    __________________
    nh……..Stop making me ‘thumbs up’ you man!

  72. aarons444 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:25 pm
    I wonder how the Forty Niner Dynasty players felt about playing for Eddie “D” and Bill Walsh?
    ======

    Game changers.

    Forced the League to create the salary cap in order to level the playing field.

    ———————-

    LOL

    It wasn’t just them.

    It was the fact the league only had 5 fully vested teams with owners that spent money and invested.

    Dallas, SF, NYGs, Pittsburgh, Washington and maybe Marino’s Miami.

    Those were the teams that at least cared about trying to win. Lots of money left on the table, kinda like now…..

    “Gamechangers”… = The NE Patriots incredible dynasty, the greatest in sports history, so great it forced them to hire a cheating commissioner to cheat when it can be sold to the public to do so, to slow the Pats down.

    Enjoy, Erin.

  73. You want to know what football is called when everyone is having fun, and winning is not the priority?

    The Pro Bowl

    And that product is unwatchable. The players need to pipe it, as usual, as they have no idea what butters their bread (fans/winning). Joe Fan doesn’t give one rat’s ass about the players level of fun. And we’re tired of millionaires telling us how they’re being oppressed.

  74. Bill Belichik Pre Brady: 41-55 – and fired
    Bill Belichik with Brady: 200-62
    ======

    Belichick without Brady since 2001;

    14-6… .700 win%

  75. He is right, who cares about fun. It’s a paid job, do your job. I want to see my team (which are not the Pats), win. Couldn’t care less if they have fun doing it. You don’t like your job quit and “have fun”.

  76. rc33 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 2:06 pm
    Such an utterly miserable organization that Kobe Bryant showed up at Patriots practice yesterday.
    Either way, not clear on why Lane Johnson and the other jamoke can’t simply enjoy their championship. Not as if it happens regularly for the Eagles. I don’t hear Belichick, Brady or anyone else on New England begrudging them their win. And despite being big underdogs, I don’t see Brad Stevens or Jaylen Brown rubbing their 5-game win in the faces of Brett Brown or Ben Simmons?

    —————–

    My best guess to why Lane is still going on about the Patriots is that despite the Eagles winning, the majority of the press is still focused on the happenings in Foxborough and Vegas has made the Patriots early favorites for the Super Bowl. That probably bugs the Eagles. However, if they just go out and win it again then nobody will be talking about the Patriots anymore. They are focused on the wrong thing.

  77. nhpats says:
    May 31, 2018 at 2:28 pm
    @tylawspick6

    Let the Trump hate go man. You candidate was one of the most disgustingly dishonest and unlikable people to ever run for office. Even Donald Trump beat her! But chin up man….you only have 6 1/2 more years to go!!

    ——————–

    As a fellow Pats fan, I’ll go easy on you. What would be worse, is if you were some backwoods right wing nutty from NH who hunts and carries a bible around, but let me help you anyway:

    When I was 12 years old and Trump lost 13 million of daddy’s money, I asked my dad how it was possible.

    His answer? “Because he is a moron”…

    Yep.

    Look, it’s just sad that millions of Americans are smarter, have more class, more principle than that piece of vile scum, who channels his inner Hitler on social media, daily.

    I don’t want HItler as my president. It’s very simple.

    And, I am not impressed with people who have orange skin and a dead fox on their head either. He has fewer accomplishments in life than myself.

    Truth.

  78. Giants, Ravens, Seahawks, Broncos, great for a season or two in the recent past and we will see what the Eagles can muster. But only one team has hardly missed a beat. Always in hunt. Those teams and their fans in the modern time of holding on to great players know how hard it is to repeat. There are Patriot fans out there that don’t know what not contending is. 20 year olds that have not seen a losing season. I don’t like the Patriots or Belichick but reading these idiot players having ago is ridiculous. It really is not surprising the distain he has for idiots in the media also.

  79. Chill_Donahue says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:49 pm
    aarons444 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:08 pm
    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years.
    =====
    Weak AFC in general.
    They absolutely owned Mannings Colts.. The Steelers went to 3 Super Bowls, but they only played the Pats once in that window (2004).. the Broncos are the only other team worth mentioning, and they beat the Pats twice (2013, 2015)
    ========================================================
    Brady-led Pats winning pct.
    vs AFC .778
    vs. NFC .766
    not much of a statistical difference. moot point.

    ————–

    Agreed… also, before the resurgence of the NFC in 2008, Brady was destroying NFC teams. 24-4 (.857) from 2001-2007. The NFC were Tomato Cans for that stretch, and they have been the more dominant conference on average since then with the exception of the small number of elite AFC teams.

  80. rolltide510 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:11 pm
    patsrthegreatest says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:53 pm
    jagsfan1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:50 pm
    Should be 3-5 in Superbowls at best. Falcons and Seahawks CHOKED.
    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years. Some years the terrible teams are merely “bad”, but that’s about it.
    ———
    Yeah, everyone forgets what a powerhouse the AFC South has been over the course of it’s existence.
    _______
    The AFC South has the occasional flash in the pan, even post-Peyton. The AFC East doesn’t.

    ———–

    Well the Jets did go to back to back AFC championships in 2009 and 2010 (Beating the Patriots in the latter).

    Miami won the AFC East in 2008 when Brady was out.

    Not really any different than the AFC South. Probably better actually.

    That’s changed now though. The AFC South are pretty good this year.

  81. aarons444 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 2:34 pm
    Bill Belichik Pre Brady: 41-55 – and fired
    Bill Belichik with Brady: 200-62
    ======

    Belichick without Brady since 2001;

    14-6… .700 win%

    1 1 Rate This

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    What does that mean? This means BB is a great GM and COach. You seem to have a mild case of Patsnoia that may be a completely different form and may need diagnosing in case it’s a completely new disease, little California boy.

  82. tylawspick6 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 2:37
    When I was 12 years old and Trump lost 13 million of daddy’s money
    ____________________
    Daddy sounds like a fool.

  83. crush22 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 2:18 pm
    aarons444 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:08 pm
    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years.
    =====

    Weak AFC in general.

    They absolutely owned Mannings Colts..
    __________________________
    Manning 6 Pats 9 in regular season
    Manning 3 Pats 2 in playoffs

    Hardly ‘owned’

    1 0 Rate This

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    All of Mannings success came when Goodell was cheating. Right on down to the 2006 AFC title game when the penalty of “faceguarding” was called for 1st and goal from the 1 for Indy.

    MAnning doped, used HGH illegally, and is a cheater.

    Along with Goodell.

    The jig is up. NE is so good, Goodell and the owners have been concocting ways to cheat them for over a decade to slow them down.

    Goodell arriving on the scene on 9.6.06 and all of his occurring is not a coincidence.

    Note how nothing of the sort occurred in the Rozelle and Tagliabue Eras. Again, not a coincidence.

    Ratings are tumblbing partially because honest, educated adults, even those who are jealous of the PAts, are creeped out by this “Marketing Strategy” by Goodell and some owners.

    Keep it up, fellas. NE keeps winning, even if you try to cheat them.

  84. As a fan of the Jags please do not liken Jagfan1 thinking patriots would be 3 and 5 at best. Teams don’t choke the get beat. Execution is part of the game. Coaches and players and refs alike. I know our leader Coughlin may never have won a super bowl if not for a lucky catch and a once in a lifetime dime by old chuck and duck Manning himself to whatever his name was.
    Respect the Pats..can only wish we have half the success as them.

  85. You enjoy being a disingenuous fraud, Erin.
    =======

    Really?

    Pardon me (not that I’d care for yours) for believing that 30 owners and whoever calls the shots for the Packers would stand idly by while one of their partners was railroaded.

    I wouldn’t want to partner with individuals like that. I highly doubt NFL owners, and even trust fund kids like Spanos and Davis, would want to operate their business that way.

    You are absolutely delusional if you think people believe the nonsense you endlessly spew.

    “Disingenuous”.. LOL

  86. billswillnevermove says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:29 pm
    I guess Joe can’t read, this was a Patriots thread, not a Bills thread. Wonder if he can read that Toronto doesn’t have an NFL team?

    ——————-

    Please don’t group all people from Toronto with him. We’re not even close to being the same.

  87. uglydingo says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:35 pm
    All 31 other NFL teams aspire to have the success enjoyed by the Patriots. Coach Belichick has a formula and he knows precisely what he’s doing. Some other coaches may prefer to get closer to their players and have fun joking around with them but that is not Bill’s style and how can you argue with the results. The objective is to win and he understands that better than anyone else.
    This so called drama about New England is simply fake news and is being promoted by some in the NFL media who want to see the Patriots lose.

    116 16 Rate This
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    I’ll go one further:

    I would bet money some of the cheating owners and Goodell are ordering NBC, ESPN (no problem there) to pump this story daily to try to infect the Pats 2018 season (and possibly beyond).

    The arrogance of not only Goodell, but the media to think they have power to try to take down one NFL franchise from the outside, byb institutionalized trolling, day after day after day.

    And, I gotta tell ya, Mike Reiss and Tom Curran best be careful. Their sell-out status at this point is disgusting. They have no morals or principle for taking the paycheck and being stooges for Goodell, in conjunction with the networks who are losing these ratings under contract with the NFL.

    Yep.

    Read between the lines and follow the money.

    Note how a lot of these trumped up stories that are myths completely or over-sensationalized garbage, do not exist on certain websites like NFL.com.

    Goodell likes to think his fans are dumb enough to not know WHY this is. Well, some fans are. No doubt there.

    HInt: It’s why Goodell was not present at the 2014 Title game where Framgeate II was commmitted. He sent Troy Vinccent instead.

    He thinks by not having his name directly tied to it, it won’t be so obvious how he is cheating or trying to cheat the Pats.

    So obvious how he operates at this point.

  88. Should be 3-5 in Superbowls at best. Falcons and Seahawks CHOKED.
    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years.
    ———-

    Jag fan needs a mirror. The Jags, except for last year, have been the definition of pathetic

  89. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:27 pm
    What’s important to us is for our cheating to result in wins.
    =========================
    LOL still hanging onto the cheating thang huh?

  90. crush22 says:

    May 31, 2018 at 2:42 pm

    TyLawsPick in meltdown mode 2 days in a row.
    Trump is in your head.
    #2020
    ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    Wish I could give you 50 thumbs up on this!!!

  91. tylawspick6 says:

    I am not impressed with people who have orange skin and a dead fox on their head either. He has fewer accomplishments in life than myself.
    ____________________________

    Meh…..I don’t know……..
    He’s President of The United States, and you’re whining on a football website.
    Close call but I think he wins.

  92. psljax says:
    May 31, 2018 at 2:55 pm
    As a fan of the Jags please do not liken Jagfan1 thinking patriots would be 3 and 5 at best. Teams don’t choke the get beat. Execution is part of the game. Coaches and players and refs alike. I know our leader Coughlin may never have won a super bowl if not for a lucky catch and a once in a lifetime dime by old chuck and duck Manning himself to whatever his name was.
    Respect the Pats..can only wish we have half the success as them.

    1 0 Rate This

    ——————

    Thank you. Refreshing honesty.

  93. Good job, Bill! Thanks for putting it just as it is. Your job is not to make these guys feel like mommy is taking care of them, your job is to get the most out of them to win championships. And you’ve done that better than anyone during your time as HC of New England.
    If these guys want to have fun, tell them to go wrestle in the WWE or take up golf. Football is for real men, not crybabies.

  94. “We feel what’s important to us is to win,” Belichick said.

    “Seriously?”, Malcolm Butler said.

  95. chickensalad43 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:45 pm
    Patriots had arguably the easiest road to the Super Bowl in modern NFL history. Then played a backup QB in the Super Bowl and 40 year old Tom Brady had a great game. And they still lost.

    If they don’t drastically improve that defense soon the dynasty is over.
    ———————–
    Only objecting to the notion of having the easiest road to the Super Bowl. Of the 12 teams that made the post-season last year the Pats played half during the regular season. Beating all but one of them. No other team can make that claim last year. Additionally, if we’re going to start apologizing for #1 seeds getting favorable matchups in the post-season at least have the common courtesy to promulgate that throughout history.

  96. aarons444 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 2:56 pm
    You enjoy being a disingenuous fraud, Erin.
    =======

    Really?

    Pardon me (not that I’d care for yours) for believing that 30 owners and whoever calls the shots for the Packers would stand idly by while one of their partners was railroaded.

    I wouldn’t want to partner with individuals like that. I highly doubt NFL owners, and even trust fund kids like Spanos and Davis, would want to operate their business that way.

    You are absolutely delusional if you think people believe the nonsense you endlessly spew.

    “Disingenuous”.. LOL

    0 1 Rate This

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    How naive are you?

    Pre Goodell, what you just said would be absolutely correct. During Goodell’s tenure? Factually FALSE.

    He’s been caught in federal courts lying numerous times. Were Rozelle or Tagliabue? Has any other commissioner. No and no.

    This is a coincidence to you?

    Let me ask you this, little naive guy from flaky CA:

    Were the Pats railroaded when the NFL suggested the Jets lure PArcells away from NE in January of 1997 during SB week vs the Packers? This factually happened which I just learned about from the Two Bills documentary, ironically produced by cheating ESPN.

    These shenanigans have apparently been bubbling up for year$ (all in the name of greed), but it’s only when Goodell was handpicked by the Jets, Woody Johnson, did this stuff escalate since 2006.

    The mis-representing and lying for the agenda wanted, working backwards to achieve the desired result. These are old lawyer trick$.

    Goodell does this to keep his job.

    Have you been living under a rock? You’re either some naive teenager or are very obtuse adult.

  97. jagsfan1 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:50 pm
    Should be 3-5 in Superbowls at best. Falcons and Seahawks CHOKED.
    Getting there 8 times is also watered down because of PATHETIC AFC East over last 15 years.
    ————————
    Bitter Jags fan. LOL

    Bottom line … should is NOT reality. How a Jags fan of all teams can call out another division as pathetic is completely laughable. You just describe PManning’s entire career before heading to Denver.

  98. I’ve never been sold on words or whether someone comes across as “nice”. personable, or is a charismatic talker – that’s for used-car salesmen rather than HC’s. For me, results are what matters.

    And on that note, I do know that Al Davis interviewed both Belichick and Gruden for the Raiders’ HC job in 1998 and unfortunately he chose Gruden. If Davis had hired Belichick in ’98 and gave him the latitude to operate in his way, then I have to think that the last 20 years of Raiders history (along with the present situation) would have been infinitely better.

  99. I’m no elite athlete by any stretch, and I do not like NE, but when I played the goal was to win and winning is way better than losing. The Cleveland Browns may have practices that are more fun, but how much do you think they enjoyed going like 2-30 over the last 2 years?

  100. Notice he didn’t say it’s important for us to win “fairly.” That’s because he’s not winning fairly and he knows it. Belicheat’s legacy will be forever tarnished by unearned wins, spying, deflating balls, tricking the officials, disabling headsets, and lying about injuries. When he retires, they need to give him a trophy with a giant golden asterisk on top.

  101. filmex2000 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 3:10 pm
    “We feel what’s important to us is to win,” Belichick said.

    “Seriously?”, Malcolm Butler said.

    =———————

    Yes. Seriously.

    1. 103 passer rating against.
    2. Freelancing.
    3. Awful title game vs Jax.
    4. Cleaned out his locker before his solo flight out to Minny, after possibly faking the flu.
    5. Blew up at coaches during SB week and was doing more freelancing.
    6. Cried like Spaulding Smails not getting a hot dog AND a hamburger during the anthem.

    You would trust this player as a coach or teammate?

    You might want to get the facts first and you might want to ask Butler why he melted down worse than Spaulding Smails did at the burger stand.

  102. dmca12 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 3:24 pm
    I’m no elite athlete by any stretch, and I do not like NE, but when I played the goal was to win and winning is way better than losing. The Cleveland Browns may have practices that are more fun, but how much do you think they enjoyed going like 2-30 over the last 2 years?

    1 0 Rate This

    ————————-

    Yes, I hate successful winners, too. I always look to losers and excuse-making, whiny Millennials for leadership and guidance.

    Right on, little guy!

  103. “Regardless, the noise of the Patriots being a No Fun Team seems to be growing. With guys like Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski opting to have actual fun in lieu of showing up for the daily effort to improve, it’s hard not to think there’s something to it this time.”

    You’re just trolling now, right?

    Don’t forget what happened after Tom Jackson made claims like this–and what BB said to him afterward.

  104. araidersfan says:
    May 31, 2018 at 3:21 pm
    I’ve never been sold on words or whether someone comes across as “nice”. personable, or is a charismatic talker – that’s for used-car salesmen rather than HC’s. For me, results are what matters.

    And on that note, I do know that Al Davis interviewed both Belichick and Gruden for the Raiders’ HC job in 1998 and unfortunately he chose Gruden. If Davis had hired Belichick in ’98 and gave him the latitude to operate in his way, then I have to think that the last 20 years of Raiders history (along with the present situation) would have been infinitely better.

    1 0 Rate This

    ———————–

    Correct. You also may have had Brady in behind Gannon (assuming Al got his way in signing him in the first place).

    But, BB would have implemented the recipe, at the very least.

    PAts Management Secrets Vol 1 and 2 have been out for over a decade for ANYONE to read.

    There are actually superb concepts in there, readily available to be learned from, for ANY business.

    The fact is, 90% of the owners are lazy and entitled, many of them born into their wealth.

  105. Pardon me (not that I’d care for yours) for believing that 30 owners and whoever calls the shots for the Packers would stand idly by while one of their partners was railroaded.

    I wouldn’t want to partner with individuals like that. I highly doubt NFL owners, and even trust fund kids like Spanos and Davis, would want to operate their business that way.
    _____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Except it happens all the time. Recent examples include Zeke being suspended with little to no evidence, Chiefs getting unprecedented punishment for tampering with Maclin (while the Jets get off with a hand slap with multiple tampering offenses), Saints for Bountygate with little credible evidence, Cowboys/Redskins being fined in an uncapped year, etc. etc. On the flip side you have the NYG who seem to get away with everything (domestic violence, walkie-talkies, defrauding consumers, sticking needles in Pitt footballs, etc.)

    To think each and every team/owner is on the level is truly delusional.

  106. Notice he didn’t say it’s important for us to win “fairly.” That’s because he’s not winning fairly and he knows it. Belicheat’s legacy will be forever tarnished by unearned wins, spying, deflating balls, tricking the officials, disabling headsets, and lying about injuries. When he retires, they need to give him a trophy with a giant golden asterisk on top.
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Is this the whiniest post you have ever seen? Tricking officials? What a joke.

    Question – since we know for certain that footballs at numerous other stadiums have been played at PSI levels at and even lower then the Pats balls, what does that mean for those teams? How about headsets that have gone out at other stadiums around the country……are those teams cheating too?

  107. bowenfootdoc2013 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:17 pm

    I wonder how the Forty Niner Dynasty players felt about playing for Eddie “D” and Bill Walsh?

    The players felt Walsh was very demanding. Montana mentioned how exact his throws had to be.
    The players loved Eddie D. Eddie D was very demanding of Walsh. That’s why Walsh retired
    early. He realized it was Eddie D’s team and all the pressure was on him.

  108. tylawspick6 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 2:37 pm
    nhpats says:
    May 31, 2018 at 2:28 pm
    @tylawspick6

    Let the Trump hate go man. You candidate was one of the most disgustingly dishonest and unlikable people to ever run for office. Even Donald Trump beat her! But chin up man….you only have 6 1/2 more years to go!!

    ——————–

    As a fellow Pats fan, I’ll go easy on you. What would be worse, is if you were some backwoods right wing nutty from NH who hunts and carries a bible around, but let me help you anyway:

    When I was 12 years old and Trump lost 13 million of daddy’s money, I asked my dad how it was possible.

    His answer? “Because he is a moron”…

    Yep.

    Look, it’s just sad that millions of Americans are smarter, have more class, more principle than that piece of vile scum, who channels his inner Hitler on social media, daily.

    I don’t want HItler as my president. It’s very simple.

    And, I am not impressed with people who have orange skin and a dead fox on their head either. He has fewer accomplishments in life than myself.

    Truth.

    ———-

    No Bible for me….I am an agnostic. Didn’t vote for Trump, I voted Libertarian. But I will admit if I had to choose between Trump and Hillary I would choose Trump. Heck I would choose Gumby over Hillary.

    As the the Hitler reference…..you lose…..see Godwin’s Law.

  109. lanman11 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 2:17 pm
    Most of these players grow up being the center of attention wherever they go. When they get to a place like New England and they’re not the most important thing, and they’re not made to feel valuable, and they have to work extremely hard, some of them crumble. I don’t think Lane Johnson or that Brooks guy, or Cassius Marsh could ever play for Parcells, or Coughlin either.

    4 0 Rate This

    ——————-

    Exactly. And BB knows it when he sees it, too. He is not perfect in diagnosing if the person truly is a loser, but once he gets a whiff, he moves on very quickly.

  110. 4. Cleaned out his locker before his solo flight out to Minny, after possibly faking the flu.
    ________________________________
    I really think this is a key point that most forget. Either Butler really was sick and therefore nowhere near 100% for the game (which btw was a SB in a dome which requires a much higher level of stamina), or there was more going on behind the scenes as you suggest. In either case, while BB will never throw a player under the bus, he has reasons for his decision that we will never know.

  111. Bill has become so irrelevant that he’s trying to make conversation with reporters now.

  112. blessedunliketherest says:
    May 31, 2018 at 3:39 pm
    Notice he didn’t say it’s important for us to win “fairly.” That’s because he’s not winning fairly and he knows it. Belicheat’s legacy will be forever tarnished by unearned wins, spying, deflating balls, tricking the officials, disabling headsets, and lying about injuries. When he retires, they need to give him a trophy with a giant golden asterisk on top.
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Is this the whiniest post you have ever seen? Tricking officials? What a joke.

    Question – since we know for certain that footballs at numerous other stadiums have been played at PSI levels at and even lower then the Pats balls, what does that mean for those teams? How about headsets that have gone out at other stadiums around the country……are those teams cheating too?

    ——————-

    He’ll never answer the question.

    They just want the Pats cheated whenever possible, including selling framejobs and falsehoods.

  113. BB’s comments have been consistent for years. Winning is #1. They are in it together.
    Everyone is expected to get better each day. I’ve never heard him bad mouth his players.
    He says everyone needs to get better including the coaching. He makes decisions that
    he thinks is best for the football team.
    If a football question is asked he puts on a seminar.

  114. The AFC South has the occasional flash in the pan, even post-Peyton. The AFC East doesn’t.
    ================
    False. Classic case of throw it out there and see if it sticks. It stinks more than it sticks. The Colts have made 12 playoff berths in the AFC South. Exactly the same number as every other team in their division combined. Looking at each team historically the Colts have been there 5 more times than the Titans, 23 more times than the Texans, and 20 more times than the Jags.

    Conversely, the Pats have made the playoffs exactly 2 more times than the Dolphins, 7 more than the Bills and 11 more than the Jets.

    You were saying?

  115. aarons444 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:25 pm
    I wonder how the Forty Niner Dynasty players felt about playing for Eddie “D” and Bill Walsh?
    ======

    Game changers.

    Forced the League to create the salary cap in order to level the playing field.
    ===========================
    Exactly. Now they just make stuff up.

  116. aarons444 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:52 pm
    Please name one proven example of cheating.
    ======

    Each and every case the NFL has fined or stripped the Patriots of draft picks.
    ================================
    And? For those who have pulled their heads out of the sand, Deflatesham was far from proven. Heck, there are plenty of people in this thread alone that would continue to argue that Spygate was never proven and continues to this day.

  117. rolf1015 you must have missed

    “I never got a reason,” Butler said. “I feel like this was the reason: I got kind of sick. I went to the hospital. They probably thought I was kind of late on the game plan. I wasn’t as locked in as I should be and could have been a matchup deal. It could have been anything.

    “But Bill Belichick has been doing this for a very long time. He took a veteran out of Super Bowl XLIX [against the Seahawks] and put in a first-year rookie, and that turned out right, so you could never question his decision. It didn’t work out right [against the Eagles]. It didn’t work out the best for me or him or the New England Patriots. But I can say he won more than he lost, so it is what it is. I always have love for New England, Bill Belichick, Mr. Kraft, all those guys. Life just goes on.”

  118. hasanwill says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:32 pm
    RE LEE says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:27 pm

    The Patriot Way is so terrible that other teams are snapping up players and staff with Patriots pedigree. They know winning is the real fun.
    ——————————————————————————-

    And none of them have done squatta!

    ————————
    But at least they had fun, right?

  119. tylawspick6 says:

    You might want to get the facts first
    ______________________________
    Did ‘you’ really just say that??
    BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  120. chickensalad43 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 12:45 pm
    Patriots had arguably the easiest road to the Super Bowl in modern NFL history.

    ————+——
    The rest of the teams failed to complete that road so…..

  121. dynastypolice says:

    May 31, 2018 at 1:47 pm

    All Mute here: Most teams (if not all) follow the same mindset. Difference is they do in a legit manner with at least some degree of integrity.

    Bill Belichik Pre Brady: 41-55 – and fired
    Bill Belichik with Brady: 200-62
    Tom Brady made Belichick
    Nothing under BB is legit for the Pats either way….congressional probe, destruction of evidence, obstruction of justice etc etc.

    =====================================================

    Uh you forgot the 3 Super Bowls BB went to pre-Brady and the two he won. And the defensive gameplan that was archived in the Hall of Fame. And then you made a bunch of stuff up, whole cloth. Nice trolling.

  122. ns444 says:

    May 31, 2018 at 2:34 pm

    Bill Belichik Pre Brady: 41-55 – and fired
    Bill Belichik with Brady: 200-62
    ======

    Belichick without Brady since 2001;

    14-6… .700 win%

    ==============================

    Nice cherry picking, and yet still wrong. Since 2001, BB is 14-8 without Brady.

  123. aarons444 says:
    May 31, 2018 at 1:08 pm

    Weak AFC in general.

    They absolutely owned Mannings Colts.. The Steelers went to 3 Super Bowls, but they only played the Pats once in that window (2004).. the Broncos are the only other team worth mentioning, and they beat the Pats twice (2013, 2015)

    ———————————–

    Haha, cute and uninformed generalizations as usual. Since Brady joined the league, AFC has had head to head advantage of inter-conference play in 10 of the last 17 seasons, NFC has had 5 of the last 17 and 2 seasons were a complete wash between both. I should point out those advantages were heavily lopsided as well, especially 2004 when there was a 24 game differential.

    The only reason you clowns even tout the NFC is because they’ve been on the rise in the last few years, claiming 4 of the last 6 head to head seasons. But Brady still spanked the NFC champions in 2 out the last 3 times he went to the Super Bowl in that timespan. And would have done it a third time if his defense came up with one or two stops (props to the Eagles for making plays in the end).

    But this NFC beast over the AFC least narrative is so laughable that you’re just embarrassing yourselves bringing it up.

  124. Alright, for all the cheating conspiracy theorists it’s time for a refresher. I know it’s no “fun” when facts get in the way of your theories…

    Deflategate – deflation caused by the ideal gas law, which the NFL had no clue about until they looked into this. The Wells Report says the balls should have been in the range of 11.32-11.52 psi. The average psi of the Patriot footballs was 11.49 using the gauge that the ref recalls using (all in the Wells Report). And since they started officially measuring this, the NFL has declined to release the PSI data – which means they know that basically any game under 50 degrees has footballs outside of the legal range.

    Spygate – filming coaches signals during an open televised game from an unauthorized location in the stadium (i.e. if they filmed from a different location it would be perfectly legal).

  125. So you believe that they suspended Brady and upheld the appeal when they knew for a fact he did nothing wrong? You seriously believe this? Cheaters lie about what they do. Over and over. Until there is concrete evidence and they are caught once and for all. He could have admitted what he did, apologize and did all he could to make amends. But instead he stuck to his lies, let others take the blame, tried to convince people he was railroaded and this upstanding guy who would never. He has no remorse which is why respect is difficult for so many to hold for the talent he does really have. It’s why he’s never going to live it down. Playing stupid would have even been a better choice. He has no idea how many people would have been upset but respected him for being honest and trying to somehow fix what he did. He continued to try to beat the system and fight a battle he had no business in fighting because of what he did. There ended up being more damage to him because of the continued lies and lack of any remorse. He could be the greatest guy in the world but the second he committed a wrong he had to own it when caught. He didn’t. He still hasn’t. He never will. He blew his own reputation and list a lot because of it. He doesn’t have to care so he doesn’t. That’s the arrogance. I get standing by your team but not when they do things they have been clearly caught doing and is wrong on so many levels.

  126. ShouldBuffaloStay says:
    May 31, 2018 at 7:36 pm

    So you believe that they suspended Brady and upheld the appeal when they knew for a fact he did nothing wrong? You seriously believe this?

    ——

    Considering the NFL testified, under oath in Federal Court, that they have no evidence that he did anything… Yes, the answer is they punished him for nothing.

    The NFL is obsessed with optics but also utterly tonedeaf with it. They punished him to appease rabid clowns who know nothing about the sport but carry pitchforks. That was true for both the Patriot “gates” but especially true for air pressure.

  127. Uh you forgot the 3 Super Bowls BB went to pre-Brady and the two he won. And the defensive gameplan that was archived in the Hall of Fame. And then you made a bunch of stuff up, whole cloth. Nice trolling.
    ==========================
    Uh – not as a head coach (he was fired pre-Brady for losing), and Uh….the facts speak for themselves….no trolling needed, sport.

  128. ShouldBuffaloStay says:
    May 31, 2018 at 7:36 pm
    So you believe that they suspended Brady and upheld the appeal when they knew for a fact he did nothing wrong?…
    ————————————————————-

    We know that to be true. Everyone with an IQ 100 or above knows that is a fact.

  129. ShouldBuffaloStay says:
    May 31, 2018 at 7:36 pm
    So you believe that they suspended Brady and upheld the appeal when they knew for a fact he did nothing wrong?
    =====================
    No. We should all believe that you don’t suspend players based on 1) completely fabricated and debunked science (by science), 2) an investigation so flawed a box of cracker jacks looks more put together (has anybody found that missing gauge yet or explained how the temperature in the locker room changed based on what gauge was used?), 3) a commissioner proven to have lied about the evidence and 4) because somebody didn’t turn over a phone that didn’t need to be turned over to begin with.

    I’m not saying Brady isn’t guilty. I’m saying it’s patently incorrect to conclude one way or the other. Which is 1000% the problem. A lot of fans feel Brady doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. That’s fine. Just understand that he didn’t have to lobby the NFL to change the way balls were prepared. He could have very easily “continued his cheating ways”. It’s a bit disingenuous to think he could get away with one and not the other. As probable as Brady is guilty it’s just as (IMO more likely) the NFL simply got it wrong. Which could also explain why Brady never owned it.

  130. ShouldBuffaloStay says:
    May 31, 2018 at 7:36 pm
    So you believe that they suspended Brady and upheld the appeal when they knew for a fact he did nothing wrong?
    ==================
    For clarity, the suspension wasn’t upheld because of guilt. It was upheld because the court agreed that Goodell had the right to suspend a player in any manner he saw fit. The facts were never weighed in the final ruling. The only time the court weighed in on the facts of the case the suspension was overturned.

  131. Nice cherry picking, and yet still wrong. Since 2001, BB is 14-8 without Brady.
    =====

    Yep. Should have read “since Brady took over as starter”

    .700 win%… that’s 11 wins per year… ironically, the same amount he had in 2008..

    Belichick is the best coach of this era, debatably of all-time. He’d win without Brady.

  132. dynastypolice says:

    June 1, 2018 at 1:39 am

    Uh – not as a head coach (he was fired pre-Brady for losing), and Uh….the facts speak for themselves….no trolling needed, sport.

    =========================================

    Uh, I know he wasn’t a head coach with the Giants or in the first Pats SB, but you stated BB wasn’t successful before becoming the Pats head coach. That is a clearly not true. The facts speak for themselves indeed.

    And Arlen Specter was mocked for calling for a “congressional probe” and it never actually took place. Per Specter himself, “I’m not going to call for hearings because the mood is not right and we’ve got too many other bigger problems to deal with”. And the “obstruction of justice” and “destruction of evidence” mentions are completely false as those are criminal charges and the NFL is not a law enforcement agency and has no subpoena or discovery power. Again facts speak for themselves. Nice trolling though.

  133. So you believe that they suspended Brady and upheld the appeal when they knew for a fact he did nothing wrong? You seriously believe this?
    ======

    Yes.

    They sincerely believe this.

    And they believe that 30 billionaires, and the Packers corporation, would stand idly by while one of their partners got railroaded without cause.

  134. False. Classic case of throw it out there and see if it sticks. It stinks more than it sticks. The Colts have made 12 playoff berths in the AFC South. Exactly the same number as every other team in their division combined. Looking at each team historically the Colts have been there 5 more times than the Titans, 23 more times than the Texans, and 20 more times than the Jags.

    Conversely, the Pats have made the playoffs exactly 2 more times than the Dolphins, 7 more than the Bills and 11 more than the Jets.
    =====

    Since re-alignment, basically, the Brady-Era

    Bills – 1 Playoff trip, 0 wins… missed the Playoffs 17 years.. in a row
    Dolphins – 3 Playoff trips, 0 wins
    Jets – 6 Playoff trips, 6 wins.. missed Playoffs each of the last 7 years

    Jags – 3 Playoff trips, 3 wins
    Texans – 4 Playoff trips, 3 wins
    Titans – 5 Playoff trips, 5 wins

    Its pretty easy see which division is better. Two of the Patriots rivals haven’t won a Playoff game this decade. 3 teams, 2 Playoff wins since 2010.

  135. ShouldBuffaloStay says:

    May 31, 2018 at 7:36 pm

    So you believe that they suspended Brady and upheld the appeal when they knew for a fact he did nothing wrong? You seriously believe this? Cheaters lie about what they do. Over and over. Until there is concrete evidence and they are caught once and for all. He could have admitted what he did, apologize and did all he could to make amends. But instead he stuck to his lies, let others take the blame, tried to convince people he was railroaded and this upstanding guy who would never. He has no remorse which is why respect is difficult for so many to hold for the talent he does really have. It’s why he’s never going to live it down. Playing stupid would have even been a better choice. He has no idea how many people would have been upset but respected him for being honest and trying to somehow fix what he did. He continued to try to beat the system and fight a battle he had no business in fighting because of what he did. There ended up being more damage to him because of the continued lies and lack of any remorse. He could be the greatest guy in the world but the second he committed a wrong he had to own it when caught. He didn’t. He still hasn’t. He never will. He blew his own reputation and list a lot because of it. He doesn’t have to care so he doesn’t. That’s the arrogance. I get standing by your team but not when they do things they have been clearly caught doing and is wrong on so many levels.

    ============================

    If “cheaters lie about what they do”, I suggest you never play cards against 2 time perjurer Roger Goodell.

  136. aarons444 says:

    June 1, 2018 at 11:01 am

    So you believe that they suspended Brady and upheld the appeal when they knew for a fact he did nothing wrong? You seriously believe this?
    ======

    Yes.

    They sincerely believe this.

    And they believe that 30 billionaires, and the Packers corporation, would stand idly by while one of their partners got railroaded without cause.

    =====================================================

    Considering the NFL stood idly by while just about every Goodell led investigation has been horrifically bungled, there’s an obvious and clear there’s a track record of failure. Look at Jerry Jones’ despair about Elliot when before he was a proponent of unlimited commissioner powers.

  137. aarons444 says:

    June 1, 2018 at 10:56 am

    Nice cherry picking, and yet still wrong. Since 2001, BB is 14-8 without Brady.
    =====

    Yep. Should have read “since Brady took over as starter”

    .700 win%… that’s 11 wins per year… ironically, the same amount he had in 2008..

    Belichick is the best coach of this era, debatably of all-time. He’d win without Brady.

    =======================

    Still heavily cherry picked for no good reason (why no 2000?, its another highly relevant example). And the “11 win season” was a 5 game drop off from the year before and they blew their shot at the playoffs playing only the 26th toughest schedule in the league that year.

  138. aarons444 says:
    June 1, 2018 at 11:01 am
    So you believe that they suspended Brady and upheld the appeal when they knew for a fact he did nothing wrong? You seriously believe this?
    ======

    Yes.

    They sincerely believe this.

    And they believe that 30 billionaires, and the Packers corporation, would stand idly by while one of their partners got railroaded without cause.
    =======================
    And yet there’s Zeke Elliot where those same 30 billionaires, and the Packers corporation, standing idly by.

    Then there’s Bountygate.


  139. aarons444 says:
    June 1, 2018 at 11:22 am
    =====

    Since re-alignment, basically, the Brady-Era

    Bills – 1 Playoff trip, 0 wins… missed the Playoffs 17 years.. in a row
    Dolphins – 3 Playoff trips, 0 wins
    Jets – 6 Playoff trips, 6 wins.. missed Playoffs each of the last 7 years

    Jags – 3 Playoff trips, 3 wins
    Texans – 4 Playoff trips, 3 wins
    Titans – 5 Playoff trips, 5 wins

    Its pretty easy see which division is better. Two of the Patriots rivals haven’t won a Playoff game this decade. 3 teams, 2 Playoff wins since 2010.
    ————————-
    I would liek to point out that the goalposts were moved a bit. The conversation was the road to the playoffs and how much easier the Pats have had it. If you include the other years BB was the coach of the Patriots you’ll find the other teams in the AFCE have been to the same amount (or more) than the teams in the AFCS. If you want to constrain this to just playoff berths the original argument still seems a bit shallow. Playoff wins doesn’t necessarily speak to the division itself either.

  140. Oh and you can be sure Pats fans aren’t the only ones who feel 31 other owners would stand idly by and watch another team get railroaded. It’s actually pretty silly to suggest they wouldn’t when all the evidence proves contrary.

    Not that it matters since exactly ZERO owners had a say in suspending Brady to begin\end with.

  141. Not that it matters since exactly ZERO owners had a say in suspending Brady to begin\end with.
    ======

    Goodell represents the owners. It is his only reason for existing.

    His bosses were so outraged by unfair and unethical conduct, they fired him.

    No.

    31 ownership groups, and the Packers, viewed the punishment as justified.

    … reaffirmed by one of the highest courts of law in this country.

    .. and Brady had such strong grounds to fight, he was treated so unjustly, that he folded like a cheap suit rather than championing his cause.

  142. Playoff wins doesn’t necessarily speak to the division itself either.
    =====

    Obviously it speaks to the quality of teams.

    Good teams win in the Playoffs.

    Plenty of teams with good records haven’t won Playoff games.

    Outside of the Pats, the AFC LEast doesn’t have a Playoff win the last 7 years.

    The Jags and Colts have played in Championship games in that period. The Texans and Titans have won Playoff games in the last 2 yeaers.

  143. Still heavily cherry picked for no good reason
    =====

    The original post was to a guy who said Brady made Belichick. His record says otherwise.

    He’s the best coach in football, and his system will sustain itself as long as he wants to be in football.

    He might not be a perennial Title game participant, but you know very well he wouldn’t fall off the cliff, as we’ve discussed before.

  144. aarons444 says:

    June 1, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    Still heavily cherry picked for no good reason
    =====

    The original post was to a guy who said Brady made Belichick. His record says otherwise.
    ========================================================================================

    His record of 18-19 without Brady starting is proof of….what exactly?

  145. 31 ownership groups, and the Packers, viewed the punishment as justified.

    … reaffirmed by one of the highest courts of law in this country.

    .. and Brady had such strong grounds to fight, he was treated so unjustly, that he folded like a cheap suit rather than championing his cause.
    ______________________________________________________________________________________________________

    I guess when you exclude facts, you can say anything you want. First off, there were not 31 owners that viewed the punishment as justified. Throughout the entire saga, there were numerous reports of some owners saying the Commissioner was taking it too far and the punishment did not fit the supposed crime. Most of those articles showed up right here on PFT, which I’m sure you didn’t miss given your obsession with posting on Pats articles.

    Also, one of the highest courts in the country specifically stated they were not upholding the suspension based on innocence or guilt, it was based purely on the language in the CBA that said the Commissioner could pretty much do what he wanted. The judges, lawyers, scientists, reporters, etc. that actually followed the case and knew the facts saw the entire thing for the farce that it was. There was no evidence of anything. An out of context text message from May 2014 and a phone that was “destroyed” after saying it was no longer needed is far outweighed by science, common sense, and a the NFL’s own admission that they had zero evidence of any wrongdoing in court.

  146. aarons444 says:
    June 1, 2018 at 1:52 pm

    Obviously it speaks to the quality of teams.

    Good teams win in the Playoffs.

    Plenty of teams with good records haven’t won Playoff games.

    Outside of the Pats, the AFC LEast doesn’t have a Playoff win the last 7 years.

    The Jags and Colts have played in Championship games in that period. The Texans and Titans have won Playoff games in the last 2 yeaers.
    =============
    It’s a bit convenient to completely disregard everything that happened to the Jags, Colts, Texans and Titans prior to the last 2 years doncha think? I mean there was an 8 year stretch in Ten, a 9 year stretch in Jax, and unless I miss my guess it took HOU a decade to get to the post-season. If by some miracle we were to extend the same courtesy to the AFCE you’d find every team in that division has made a least one playoff appearance within that span of time.

    What’s completely ironic is every single team in the AFCS have beaten the exact same teams in the playoffs the Patriots have. Coincidentally enough the same teams the Bills, Dolphins and Jets have faced in the playoffs as well.

  147. aarons444 says:
    June 1, 2018 at 1:46 pm

    Goodell represents the owners. It is his only reason for existing.

    His bosses were so outraged by unfair and unethical conduct, they fired him.

    No.

    31 ownership groups, and the Packers, viewed the punishment as justified.

    … reaffirmed by one of the highest courts of law in this country.

    .. and Brady had such strong grounds to fight, he was treated so unjustly, that he folded like a cheap suit rather than championing his cause.
    ========================
    Well you can certainly bet that Goodell no longer has 32 votes in his favor condoning how he has handled player discipline. I’m not sure why you would think the other owners wouldn’t have agreed on justifying the punishment. We now know why that would be the case. It was predetermined before Goodell decided he was smarter than science.

    Again, the courts did not reaffirm the punishment was justified. They affirmed Goodell had the power to discipline in any manner he saw fit. Which is exactly why Brady gave up his fight. And I doubt many would agree that one step removed from appealing to the Supreme Court would be considered folding like a cheap suit. 😉

  148. Man, it’s AWESOME to be a Patriots fan….. to read all these responses & feel their PAIN as they TRY to post things that they hope & May even believe bothers us is a freakin RIOT!!!
    I laughed so many times I think I may have perma-grin!!!
    LOL!!!
    Go Pats……

  149. sims has never gotten over not rising above gopher in new england and mike is the cute little kid who loves to instigate. it’s harmless.

  150. Man, it’s AWESOME to be a Patriots fan….. to read all these responses & feel their PAIN as they TRY to post things that they hope & May even believe bothers us is a freakin RIOT!!!
    I laughed so many times I think I may have perma-grin!!!
    LOL!!!
    ===============================
    You wouldn’t feel the need to write this if you didn’t believe the facts and public opinions about BB were true. This will never change and will never go away….not your fault, just dealt a bad hand as it were.

  151. by benching malcom butler in the biggest stage of any sport? didnt his backup get smoked on the field all day? One of the reasons the pats lost the superbowl. sure billy boy. you keep thinking that.

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