Report: Julian Edelman tested positive for unrecognizable substance

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Patriots wide receiver Julian Edelman has acknowledged he is facing a four-game suspension under the NFL’s policy on performance-enhancing substances, but he also said he doesn’t know what happened. It appears the league’s drug testing experts aren’t completely sure what happened either.

According to Albert Breer of SI.com, Edelman’s result was triggered by a substance that wasn’t immediately recognizable, and the drug testers are still analyzing it.

That might sound strange, but it’s not unprecedented for the drug testers to need time to determine what substance a player took: In 2003, four Raiders players tested positive for tetrahydrogestrinone, or THG, a substance that wasn’t initially detectable in urine tests. It was only after the lengthy Balco investigation that drug testers re-tested stored urine samples and detected the substance.

Breer adds that Edelman’s test took place a couple months ago, during the offseason. That means that whatever substance he tested positive for, it wasn’t a stimulant like Adderall. Use of stimulants in the regular season is considered a performance-enhancing substance issue, but during the offseason it’s considered a substance abuse issue.

139 responses to “Report: Julian Edelman tested positive for unrecognizable substance

  1. So if they have no idea what it is, then how do they know it’s performance-enhancing?

  2. Not for the first time, Fraudger needs to retrospectively adjust the rules to make Pats guilty.

  3. There’s a game being played here. I’m just not sure who all the players are. On the surface, the story is bizarre. The policy is that you are responsible for what’s in your body. They find a banned substance, and that’s it. But how does one get suspended for having an “unrecognizable” substance in his body? The article states labs often need more time and advanced testing. OK, that’s fine. The “unrecognizable” test what we call “reasonable suspicion” or even “probable cause.” Shouldn’t the NFL have to inform the player exactly what substance he is being suspended for? Until that time, there shouldn’t be discipline.

    Doesn’t add up. Which means the Patriots are likely heavily involved.

  4. It is probably JE11 burger juice, and the league is just not ready for it. Shocked the league can’t figure something out and tosses another 4 game suspension to the Pats.

  5. These guys have the money to employ doctors who know how to develop masking agents. I am sure some of them were once on the payroll of the NFL or the labs the NFL hires to conduct these tests.

    Everyone who has ever been tested knows that if it isn’t a clean test it counts as a negative test. Any deviation from the norm result sin a positive test. sounds like his hired doctor needs to keep up with the latest tests.

  6. That sounds like an Alex Guerrero issue. He’s on “the cutting edge” of rehabilitation. I’m a Pats fan but this sounds like it’s going to get worse before it gets better and further drive a wedge between the Bilichick faction (against Guerrero) vs the Brady faction (supporting Guerrero).

  7. eaglesmancave says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:09 am
    ..Shouldn’t the NFL have to inform the player exactly what substance he is being suspended for? Until that time, there shouldn’t be discipline. Doesn’t add up. Which means the Patriots are likely heavily involved.
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    Correction – Doesn’t add up, which means the league are assuming guilt and trying to retrospectively manipulate the test data or goalposts or rules to ensure a Patriot is found guilty.

  8. He pi*** out a dose of integrity.
    No wonder the Ginger Clown and the NFL can’t identify it.

  9. Just a little non- biased science for simple minds- one takes a reagent test and these bind to molecules of the banned compound elements. Not knowing the combination of ingredients has nothing to do with a positive. For example, if caffeine was a banned substance and he took Exedrin. He may have only been taking it for the benefit of the analgesic. I am not defending him nor convicting him, but stating they don’t know what the “product” he took is a silly argument for innocence. A banned substance is a banned substance. Science is very definitive these days.

  10. How many guys who play clean, get cut for guys who cheat? It’s sad! You know that 4th or 5th wideout who was on the cusp of making the team is selling cars or insurance somewhere cussing right now.

  11. Adderall is considered a stimulant and falls under “substance of abuse” policy rather than “PED” policy. All are banned by the NFL, both stimulants and PED’s.

    They are saying Edelman took a PED not a stimulant. Just because the name of it has not been released does not mean they don’t know what it is. Further testing is done just to have airtight accuracy so players like Edelman can not claim later in court that the test was false.

    Basically he is totally busted and they are just getting 100% airtight confirmation to make sure there is no way he can try and weasel out of this.

  12. Now that the Patriot “run” is pretty much over, they are being exposed. By the same media that profited BILLIONS off of their reign. Everyone knew these guys were juicing since the Tedy Bruschi days. Stay woke people!

  13. That’s the Patriots way. Investing on the best PED’s and spy equipment.

  14. Tested positive for an unrecognizable substance? So did my dinner at the roadside café….

  15. Edelman has no idea what it could be. He’s just shocked. Shocked, I tell ya. For real.

  16. What doesn’t make sense to me is, why wouldn’t the league wait until the results come back on the substance that needs additional analysis time before announcing the suspension? By this wording, we don’t know if the substance is performance enhancing, and neither do they. So they’re either jumping the gun or not telling us everything. I get that anything but clean is a failed test, but this explanation of theirs needs a few more weeks at the lab to figure out.

  17. Once again… the Patriots are on the cutting edge with the league scrambling to keep up so whats the gut reaction?
    Guilty until proven innocent in New England but the rest of the league can cheat all they want…. Aaron rogers over inflating balls? No worries…. Cam Newton using heaters? oK…. Brady letting nature affect the balls? SUSPENSION!!!

  18. Mr Wright 212 – 1st off I’m not a patriots fan but dumb comments like yours reeks of jealousy. Brady is great, get over yourself and your jealousy. I’m sure you have the same dumb comments about guys like Rodgers too.

    To the others wondering why he’s suspended without knowing what it is, that’s simple it’s a foreign substance. The people who cheat drug tests (not saying Edelman is or isn’t one) are almost always 1 step ahead of the testers with undetectable substances or masking agents so no they shouldn’t be rewarded by letting them off the hook. If it’s really not a performing enhancement drug there is the appeals process which players like Richard Sherman have won before.

  19. “A banned substance is a banned substance. Science is very definitive these days.”

    Your explanation does not hold up at all. They have had two months to define the substance and they still don’t know what it is. That is not definitive as the banned substance has not been identified.

  20. raiderej says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:27 am
    Now that the Patriot “run” is pretty much over, they are being exposed. By the same media that profited BILLIONS off of their reign. Everyone knew these guys were juicing since the Tedy Bruschi days. Stay woke people!

    Explain how “it’s over”
    They are currently the favorite to win the SB

  21. So, Goodell is cheating again. If you have a list of drugs and or medications that are on the banned list, how can you suspend someone if you don’t even know what it is?

    LMAO

    I mnean, this cannot be made up. This leads one to believe that Goodell is cheating again by framing Edelman.

    THey suspended Brady after a proven framejob in federal court, and now they’re trying to do it with Edelman with a fake PED positive test.

    WOW.

    I’d say I am surprised, but I am not.

  22. Typical CHOWD responses…..cheating again as usual……wants all the answers up front about how ANOTHER one of their guys got caught….masking agent didnt get in there by itself…..

  23. Of course it’s unrecognizable; Brady has that special sports trainer and he give them access to the latest state of the art PED’s. The cheaters are always ahead of the testers. And we all know that when it comes to cheating, no one is more cutting edge then the Patriots.

  24. shadywarrior says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:29 am
    What doesn’t make sense to me is, why wouldn’t the league wait until the results come back on the substance that needs additional analysis time before announcing the suspension? By this wording, we don’t know if the substance is performance enhancing, and neither do they. So they’re either jumping the gun or not telling us everything. I get that anything but clean is a failed test, but this explanation of theirs needs a few more weeks at the lab to figure out.

    ——————

    Well, knowing GOodell is a cheater, it makes perfect sense. They’re working backwards again, which proves cheating.

  25. Hey Flash1287, newsflash: They were favored at this time last year also. How’d that turn out. As long as they’re in one of the weakest divisions in the league, they will always get 6 wins almost as a “bye”. Should have lost at least 2 MORE Super Bowls and should be 3-5 in all, in SB competition. They will usually lose now that they’ve been exposed. Think “Cleveland Cavaliers of the NFL”.

  26. goodell’s clowns are so hapless i wouldn’t put any faith in their ability to run a drug screen. so far sounds like just another fishing trip to slow the juggernaut. glad to see jules continued commitment to getting healthy and back to production on the field.

  27. BuckyBadger says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:39 am
    If this is all true the NFLPA is basically useless.
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    You make a valid point. Unfortunately for the players Article 46 neuters the NFLPA. With the exception of the Steelers, most of the veteran players are at fault for the most recent CBA.

    And I hate the Steelers, except for their CBA vote.

  28. Nathan says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:20 am

    He pi*** out a dose of integrity.

    __________________________________

    It sounds like that would burn.

  29. I’m getting awful tired of all the cheating in sports, and in all walks of life. It seems that too many people care more about winning than doing their best within the rules. Perhaps if we stop making such a fuss out of winners and stops hammering losers as if they were pointless we’d actually have some fair games and systems.

    For all the vitriol that comes the way of known cheats like Bonds and Armstrong, they still walk away fabulously rich men. For every Madoff that spends his geriatric years behind bars thousands corporate crooks either don’t get caught or pay inconsequential fines.

    People need to get a grip and stop lavishing praise on these “winners”.

  30. chinahand11 says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:41 am
    “A banned substance is a banned substance. Science is very definitive these days.”

    Your explanation does not hold up at all. They have had two months to define the substance and they still don’t know what it is. That is not definitive as the banned substance has not been identified.
    ___________________________________________________________________

    I won’t argue with you because you do not understand chemistry. The elemental compounds are banned. Again, for the biased and argumentive: (This is purely an example)”Adderall” is methylphenidate. Adderall is a mixture of four different “amphetamine” salts mixed together to create a 3 to 1 ratio of dextroamphetamine and levoamphetamine. What they are saying is it does not identify as Adderall, but showed positive for any of these individual ingredients. Again, an example. We don’t know what PED was positve,but obviously the molecular compound that was banned did test positive. The actual final product, brand name, concoction, etc. has not. YES, science is very definitive.


  31. raiderej says:
    June 11, 2018 at 10:02 am
    Hey Flash1287, newsflash: They were favored at this time last year also. How’d that turn out.
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    The Pats represented the AFC in the Super Bowl. Win or lose, that is still a much better outcome than your team had in the 2017 season.

    It boggles the mind of intelligent football fans everywhere that there are people on this site that think not playing in the Super Bowl is much better than getting there but not winning.

  32. That might sound strange, but it’s not unprecedented for the drug testers to need time to determine what substance a player took
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    I am not sure anyone thinks it’s strange that they cannot identify the substance. I think people think it strange that they would suspend him without knowing what the substance was or whether it was even illegal

  33. This is a bit odd… They are undoubtedly using LCMS (high performance liquid chromatography paired with mass spectroscopy) to determine the substances in his urine and/or blood. The data they obtain is a combination of the molecular weight of any substance present that was either ingested, converted to something else by the body, or converted to something else in the high-energy detection chamber of the instrument itself. So they see an unexpected peak, but it doesn’t match any peak that ought to arise from known banned substances.

    They will identify it, assuming that there is sample left to test.

    It could be a designer drug (modified in structure but acting like the known banned substance) but it could also be the he just (for example) ate something with a very unusual natural substance in it.

    It is possible that he will be exonerated.

    (PS, I am a chemistry professor)

  34. Just another Patriots witch hunt. If the suspension is not over turned, it will probably just benefit the Pats as it gives Edelman more time to recover.

    Haven’t seen much press on the recent Ravens cheating.

  35. All these posters who speak of the exactness of science and you can’t fool science, sure had a different take on psi and the ideal gas law. I guess you can have many different levels of blindness.

  36. ExitStrategy says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:07 am
    So if they have no idea what it is, then how do they know it’s performance-enhancing?

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    It must be testosterone of some kind.

  37. After all that has happened to the persecuted Pats one wonders how fans can say we are innocent. Once in awhile you are going to be guilty because that’s the way the world works….only god is perfect so drop the faux outrage admit the unthinkable and move on…it may help to make the fan bases more tolerable…but not by much.

    Edelman always acted like a punk and now he has proven he needs to cheat to compete.

  38. “I am sorry” and “I can’t speak further about this during my appeal” leave me a lot less confident in his innocence than a strong denial would have, even if it is strange that they don’t know what the substance is.

  39. Don’t they have a list of banned substance? If the test didn’t come up with any of those banned substances why did the NFL automatically suspend him? Edelman did not lie when he said he didn’t know what happened. As usual the NFL is pretty prompt in going after the Patriots.

  40. raiderej says:
    June 11, 2018 at 10:02 am
    Hey Flash1287, newsflash: They were favored at this time last year also. How’d that turn out. As long as they’re in one of the weakest divisions in the league, they will always get 6 wins almost as a “bye”. Should have lost at least 2 MORE Super Bowls and should be 3-5 in all, in SB competition. They will usually lose now that they’ve been exposed. Think “Cleveland Cavaliers of the NFL”.

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    Well since they actually made it to the SB (unlike your team which perennially misses the playoffs) I would say it turned out pretty well. And the Pats rarely win all the games in their division. If they played in the cream-puff AFC North that might be true.

  41. jbaxt says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:23 am
    How many guys who play clean, get cut for guys who cheat? It’s sad! You know that 4th or 5th wideout who was on the cusp of making the team is selling cars or insurance somewhere cussing right now.

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    zero… because there are no guys that play clean. I highly doubt there is even a punter that has never used steroids to bulk up at any point in their career.

  42. raiderej says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:27 am
    Now that the Patriot “run” is pretty much over, they are being exposed. By the same media that profited BILLIONS off of their reign. Everyone knew these guys were juicing since the Tedy Bruschi days. Stay woke people!

    ————-

    Stay bitter.

  43. As long as they’re in one of the weakest divisions in the league, they will always get 6 wins almost as a “bye”.
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    Do you even know that the AFCE is the best division against the Pats in terms of win/loss %, probably not, so I’ll type this slowly so you can understand it:

    If the Pats were in any other division, they’d actually have a higher winning %. They rarely go 6-0, usually between 4-2 and 5-1 vs the AFCE, so if they’re winning 13-14 games, that means they’re going 8-2 or 9-1 vs the rest of the league.

    Wrap your noggin around that.

    Haha – looks like you’re a Raiders fan, so I understand why you’re so salty. Good luck with David Carrwreck for the next 10 years.

  44. raiderej says:
    June 11, 2018 at 10:02 am
    Hey Flash1287, newsflash: They were favored at this time last year also. How’d that turn out. As long as they’re in one of the weakest divisions in the league, they will always get 6 wins almost as a “bye”. Should have lost at least 2 MORE Super Bowls and should be 3-5 in all, in SB competition. They will usually lose now that they’ve been exposed. Think “Cleveland Cavaliers of the NFL”.

    Yeah let’s go with the “the SHOULD HAVE”
    But they didn’t.

    SHOULD BE 3-5 But they are not
    Blah blah blah

  45. Belichick knows what’s going on, he knows what TB12 and Brady’s little buddy Guerrero are all about and what they are doing.

    That’s why he wanted him as far away from the team as possible. He understands, as does anyone with a brain, that no 40+ year old human being can play professional football at an elite level without a lot of outside “help”.

    In fact if and when the rocky relationship between Brady and coach finally breaks, watch for an “anonymous” tip to test Brady. I can’t wait to see the fallout when that happens.

  46. buckyfan1965 says:
    June 11, 2018 at 10:13 am
    Just another Patriots witch hunt. If the suspension is not over turned, it will probably just benefit the Pats as it gives Edelman more time to recover.

    Haven’t seen much press on the recent Ravens cheating.

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    Seriously. Isn’t it amazing? I mean, the Ravens cheated again, they get no real punishment, and now they are caught framing yet another Pats employee.

    I’d normally be absolutely shocked they have the balls to do it again, but this is clearly the main focus by the owners and Goodell to try to prove parity.

    They just changed rules in the SB to give Philly 2 free TDs, and they’re literally going down the list of Pats players to target at this point.

    IN 2019, it will be Gronk. I mean, it’s just stunning how obvious it is. What the realy story is by the media, is Goodell’s obvious cheating hiding behind “Article 46” in order to do it, hoping fans from other teams don’t notice or care.

    Gee, I wonder why ratings are tumbling?

  47. truthprofessor says:
    June 11, 2018 at 10:12 am
    This is a bit odd… They are undoubtedly using LCMS (high performance liquid chromatography paired with mass spectroscopy) to determine the substances in his urine and/or blood. The data they obtain is a combination of the molecular weight of any substance present that was either ingested, converted to something else by the body, or converted to something else in the high-energy detection chamber of the instrument itself. So they see an unexpected peak, but it doesn’t match any peak that ought to arise from known banned substances.

    They will identify it, assuming that there is sample left to test.

    It could be a designer drug (modified in structure but acting like the known banned substance) but it could also be the he just (for example) ate something with a very unusual natural substance in it.

    It is possible that he will be exonerated.

    (PS, I am a chemistry professor)

    ——————————

    Watch out! The rubes who support Goodell and his cheating band of owners, don’t like science or facts.

  48. tylawspick6 says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:58 am
    shadywarrior says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:29 am
    What doesn’t make sense to me is, why wouldn’t the league wait until the results come back on the substance that needs additional analysis time before announcing the suspension? By this wording, we don’t know if the substance is performance enhancing, and neither do they. So they’re either jumping the gun or not telling us everything. I get that anything but clean is a failed test, but this explanation of theirs needs a few more weeks at the lab to figure out.

    ——————

    Well, knowing GOodell is a cheater, it makes perfect sense. They’re working backwards again, which proves cheating.

    //////////////////////

    Love how Mr. Goodell lives in your head 24/7

  49. @Raiderrej – It’s laughable that a Raiders fan talks about the Patriots “cheating”. Clearly someone too clueless to know the game.

    The Patriots should have WON the last SB. The league admitted to using the Catch rules that were just passed AFTER the season was over.

    Furthermore, the 1st loss to the Giants should have been a win. Mike Carrey admitted that he should have called Manning down for being in the grasp.

    So, please stuff your BS about the Patriots should be 3-5.

  50. Huge Pats fan here…..
    I’m giessing that ANY test that does not come back completely clear/clean generates automatic guilt….. a lousy system but one that allows the testing labs to have a baseline to go from…..the positive is simply a detected variation from what they have on file that is permitted & considered a clean result……
    I’m really not too worried one way or the other…. they will eventually figure it out & the suspension will stand or be rescinded….players ARE responsible for whatever they put in their bodies…..ANY CHANGE to what they have been taking is their responsibility to have checked out by the league, EVEN if the ingredients listed show that it’s ok to take, as we have seen,right or wrong, some companies don’t have ALL the ingredients listed, so get it checked 1st or pay the price….
    the 1 exception I would have trouble with accepting would be is if a previously cleared product changed its formula & a player got popped for something like that…..I would hold the League accountable for not getting that info to the player….
    1) If JE is not cleared he won’t count against the 53 man roster allowing a fringe player to make the team & he gets 4 additional weeks to rest…. not a bad thing
    2) if he gets cleared he plays day 1 & the posters saying bad things can eat crow & pound sand…. again not a bad thing!!!
    Go Pats!!!

  51. “can’t speak further about this during my appeal” – that is a common rule for anyone whose appeal or investigation process is still pending. In fact the appeal is a mandatory step according to the NFLPA.

  52. It’s articles like these that bring out the ignorance of football fans as a whole. A clean test would show nothing. It’s not like they take his urine, analyze it and look at all of the enzymes and other junk in there. There is an enzyme they add to the urine that reacts to specific properties in the urine. So, if this enzyme reacts to his urine, he failed. Who cares what it is, it triggered it and that’s all that matters. The big bad boogeyman really does reside in closesta and underbeds of Patriot Nation. Where do I get my tin foil hat?

  53. Looks like Tom Brady took Cris Carters advice.

    But not sure how he convinced his best WR to be his fall guy.

    .. Does bear a slight resemblance to Lee Majors though.

  54. That undetectable HGH that the Clandestine Supplementation department for the Patriots that I’ve been talking about seems to be more true by the day. And yes Brady is on the juice, dudes never failed on a QB sneak for a yard in his life.

  55. dabruinz says:
    June 11, 2018 at 11:04 am

    @Raiderrej – It’s laughable that a Raiders fan talks about the Patriots “cheating”. Clearly someone too clueless to know the game.

    The Patriots should have WON the last SB. The league admitted to using the Catch rules that were just passed AFTER the season was over.

    Furthermore, the 1st loss to the Giants should have been a win. Mike Carrey admitted that he should have called Manning down for being in the grasp.

    So, please stuff your BS about the Patriots should be 3-5.

    —————
    While we are playing the if game, the Pats could also very easily be 1-7 or even 0-8 in the Brady era in Super Bowls.

  56. flviking says:
    June 11, 2018 at 10:46 am
    tylawspick6 says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:58 am
    shadywarrior says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:29 am
    What doesn’t make sense to me is, why wouldn’t the league wait until the results come back on the substance that needs additional analysis time before announcing the suspension? By this wording, we don’t know if the substance is performance enhancing, and neither do they. So they’re either jumping the gun or not telling us everything. I get that anything but clean is a failed test, but this explanation of theirs needs a few more weeks at the lab to figure out.

    ——————

    Well, knowing GOodell is a cheater, it makes perfect sense. They’re working backwards again, which proves cheating.

    //////////////////////

    Love how Mr. Goodell lives in your head 24/7

    0 4 Rate This

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    I am pretty sure with ratings dropping ever year now since Goodell was caught framing Brady, Pats fans live in Goodell’s head.

    It’s gotten down to changing rules in Super Bowls to make sure NE doesn’t win the game.

    All of this unprecedented in any sport in the world in human history, so you need to check the facts and always go to the source.

    I was going to joke abiut this being a framejob last week, but I took the high road. Now, when I read this kind of information, it’s clear there is a push from owners to cheat the Pats again to try to level the playing field in 2018, with Goodell and the owners knowing NE is likely to get back to the SB, so let’s hope to make them play on the road in the title game by suspending
    Edelman, Brady’s security blanket, with Amendola in Miami.

    All this is going to do is tick off the Pats players in that locker room, too.

    They’re not stupid, but you’d think allowing Philly 2 free TDs in a Super Bowl would quench Goodell and people like you with your cheating thirst.

    Apparently not.

    I jokingly ask every year “What will Goodell do next?”…..Well, here it is.

  57. Dopers are always one step ahead of the current tests. So unrecognizable substance is not all that unusual. But this gives Edelman a chance to argue technicality and hopefully win his appeal. We will need his SB heroics to win in Atlanta.

  58. But did she notice the difference too?

    Regards,
    Frank Thomas
    National Spokesman – Nugenics

  59. While we are playing the if game, the Pats could also very easily be 1-7 or even 0-8 in the Brady era in Super Bowls.

    And could also be 8-0

    If is a big word

  60. So, please stuff your BS about the Patriots should be 3-5.

    —————
    While we are playing the if game, the Pats could also very easily be 1-7 or even 0-8 in the Brady era in Super Bowls.

    _______________

    But they’re not.

  61. trevor190 says:
    June 11, 2018 at 11:10 am
    It was HEART.

    —-

    Interesting. One could say the NFL might be missing that these days.

  62. So, testing for an unrecognizable substance gets a player banned? A snitch informs the media of the ban but not the reason, in other words, something out-of-context. Sounds like someone with an agenda which is typical.

  63. ——————————————————
    laxcoach37 says:
    June 11, 2018 at 10:10 am

    chinahand11 says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:41 am
    “A banned substance is a banned substance. Science is very definitive these days.”

    Your explanation does not hold up at all. They have had two months to define the substance and they still don’t know what it is. That is not definitive as the banned substance has not been identified.
    ___________________________________________________________________

    I won’t argue with you because you do not understand chemistry. The elemental compounds are banned. Again, for the biased and argumentive: (This is purely an example)”Adderall” is methylphenidate. Adderall is a mixture of four different “amphetamine” salts mixed together to create a 3 to 1 ratio of dextroamphetamine and levoamphetamine. What they are saying is it does not identify as Adderall, but showed positive for any of these individual ingredients. Again, an example. We don’t know what PED was positve,but obviously the molecular compound that was banned did test positive. The actual final product, brand name, concoction, etc. has not. YES, science is very definitive.
    ———————————————————-

    To laxcoach37 – this is what happens when you mention science to a committee of science deniers.

  64. How can the substance be banned if they don’t know what it is? So, they are basically making it up as they go along. Sounds like a kangaroo court. The snitching says a lot about the people and system.

  65. ncphinsfan says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:23 am
    Just a little non- biased science for simple minds- one takes a reagent test and these bind to molecules of the banned compound elements. Not knowing the combination of ingredients has nothing to do with a positive. For example, if caffeine was a banned substance and he took Exedrin. He may have only been taking it for the benefit of the analgesic. I am not defending him nor convicting him, but stating they don’t know what the “product” he took is a silly argument for innocence. A banned substance is a banned substance. Science is very definitive these days.
    _____________________________________________________

    Except science isn’t very definitive here, hence they still need to figure out what it is. The question is how is the trigger configured? What caused the flag? Was it simply something not normally found in a test? Did it trigger for properties similar to other PED’s? This whole thing sounds like coming to a conclusion and working backwards to prove it.

  66. This rule is insane “Use of stimulants in the regular season is considered a performance-enhancing substance issue, but during the offseason it’s considered a substance abuse issue.”

    So basically go ahead take PEDs in the summer but we’ll cover it up and say you have an abuse problem for public perception. Don’t want people thinking our league is a bunch of steroid users, news flash we know it is

  67. For all those saying ‘How can it be banned if its unknown?’ the answer is that EVERYTHING thats unknown is automatically banned. They know what clean urine looks like, and if there’s something else, known or not, its considered a failed test. End of story.

  68. jagwar4u says:
    June 11, 2018 at 12:00 pm

    He knows he’s guilty and #44 Myles Jack Wasn’t Down!
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    Doersn’t even matter because the ball wasn’t even fumbled. Down by contact.

  69. Same trainer/gooroo as Brady?…the guy BB kicked out off the facility? Hmmmmm, but not really Hmmmmm….just more of the same and why nothing under BB is legit. Only reason the sale wasn’t forced was for the good of the league itself, what a mistake.

  70. Braz says:

    June 11, 2018 at 11:21 am

    While we are playing the if game, the Pats could also very easily be 1-7 or even 0-8 in the Brady era in Super Bowls.

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    While we’re playing the what if game, the Pats easily could have been 7-1 in Super Bowls if not for 2 plays (helmet catch, welker drop,). And the argument for 8-0 is there too if Brady catches that pass against PHIL. Playoff games often comes down to just a few plays. The best prepared teams usually come out on top in close games.

    And don’t forget, Brady is the all time leader in playoff 4th qtr comebacks and has given his team a 4th qtr/OT lead in ALL 8 SBs he’s been in.

  71. jagwar4u says:
    June 11, 2018 at 12:00 pm

    He knows he’s guilty and #44 Myles Jack Wasn’t Down!

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    Yea Myles Jack wasn’t down, Dion Lewis was. The replay indisputably shows Dion Lewis being touched on the ground while having the ball pinned to his hip. Play is dead. If the helmet catch was ok and the Doug Baldwin leg catch was ok, then Dion Lewis was down.

  72. mmack66 says:
    June 11, 2018 at 12:30 pm
    jagwar4u says:
    June 11, 2018 at 12:00 pm

    He knows he’s guilty and #44 Myles Jack Wasn’t Down!
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    Doersn’t even matter because the ball wasn’t even fumbled. Down by contact.

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    Correct. These hater fans and trolls want the Pats cheated so bad, they completely ignore facts right on the replays now.

  73. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:

    June 11, 2018 at 11:24 am

    Dopers are always one step ahead of the current tests. So unrecognizable substance is not all that unusual. But this gives Edelman a chance to argue technicality and hopefully win his appeal. We will need his SB heroics to win in Atlanta.

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    You can drop the “we”, you hate the Pats. And you badly contradict yourself yet again here. How can the Pats make the Super Bowl without Jimmy G?

  74. jahbrohknee says:
    June 11, 2018 at 12:30 pm
    For all those saying ‘How can it be banned if its unknown?’ the answer is that EVERYTHING thats unknown is automatically banned. They know what clean urine looks like, and if there’s something else, known or not, its considered a failed test. End of story.

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    Not true. They have to tell you what you’re being suspended for. It’s in the CBA.

  75. dynastypolice says:

    June 11, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    Same trainer/gooroo as Brady?…the guy BB kicked out off the facility? Hmmmmm, but not really Hmmmmm….just more of the same and why nothing under BB is legit. Only reason the sale wasn’t forced was for the good of the league itself, what a mistake

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    Too bad its the first questionable (faaaaar for definitive so far) test after many passed tests. And again didn’t effect any game on the field as also PROVEN in the past framegates against the Pats. You gotta do a little research, man. Its getting embarrassing.

  76. This is the latest move by the Goodell/Jets/Ravens/Colts/Steelers conspiracy group’s plan to dethrone the Patriots by suspending a key player for an UNKNOWN substance. Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, suspensions can only made when specified and recognized banned substances (as listed and identified in the Agreement) are identified and found in test specimens.
    If an unknown substance is found, a suspension can only be instituted once the substance is identified. What the Conspiracy Group has done is equal to a driver getting a DUI charged against him just because they found an unknown substance in his blood test. Unless the Union agreed to this, getting suspended for an unknown and unidentified substance will not stand up in court.

  77. That its unknown does not make him innocent by any means, they should get to the bottom of that with further testing. But it also should not have been taken to mean he is guilty and to hand down a suspension because of it. They should have held off of any action either way until they investigated and got it pinned down. I dont think this is any case of the Patriots being singled out as the article indicates there have been other ‘unknown’ things detected and guys were then handled the same way so at least there has been some consistency. But I do still think its a case of the NFL handling something badly. Just curious, does Goodell also hear and decide on an appeal before they ever know what they are dealing with?

  78. dynastypolice says:
    June 11, 2018 at 12:32 pm
    Same trainer/gooroo as Brady?…the guy BB kicked out off the facility? Hmmmmm, but not really Hmmmmm….just more of the same and why nothing under BB is legit. Only reason the sale wasn’t forced was for the good of the league itself, what a mistake.

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    So you are suggesting Belichick kicked someone out of the facility because he thought they might be breaking league rules, and that you think Belichick doing that is a sign he isn’t legit?

    Kinda losing me here.

  79. Haha I was waiting for the patriots fans to call BS on the league for penalizing the infallible patriots. You guys are a joke saying goodell changes the rules to penalize the patriots. Stop cheating and the rules won’t matter but if you stop cheating, probably going to stop winning

  80. The NFL should make it a rule to keep these test private until the appeals/suspension process is complete. Its pretty lame to see reports like this.

  81. If it happened during the off season … what’s the big deal?
    It’s not cheating when you are not playing?
    As long as there is no banned substance in your body during the season.
    It’s like having a few beers at home … should I get arrested because I have a drivers license when I am not driving. Oh wait the NFL did suspend Prater for having a beer at home … never mind go back to kneeling.

  82. raideralex99 says:
    June 11, 2018 at 2:19 pm
    If it happened during the off season … what’s the big deal?
    It’s not cheating when you are not playing?
    As long as there is no banned substance in your body during the season.
    It’s like having a few beers at home … should I get arrested because I have a drivers license when I am not driving. Oh wait the NFL did suspend Prater for having a beer at home … never mind go back to kneeling.
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    So your position is that performance enhancing drugs are OK as long as its not during the season? So from January through April, a guy can HGH and ROID it up?

  83. Point of order: facing a suspension means he is not suspended yet, they will probably clear up what the mystery substance is before any decision about that.

  84. For all those saying ‘How can it be banned if its unknown?’ the answer is that EVERYTHING thats unknown is automatically banned. They know what clean urine looks like, and if there’s something else, known or not, its considered a failed test. End of story.
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    Not true. There is a list of banned substances provided to each player. The substance found during a test must be found on that listing (even if under a different name). If its an unknown substance and not included on the list, a player cannot be outright suspended until more analysis is done. Don’t you guys get tired of just making things up?

  85. I swear Patriots fans always play the victim. It’s sad
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    Who’s playing the victim? A Patriots fan didn’t write this article……its fact. Right now, Edelman is being suspended for something no one can identify. If its a PED, he fully deserves to be suspended. If its not, he fully deserves to win his appeal. How is that playing the victim?

    Plus, the Pats win too much for fans to play victims. That’s your job with all the crying and fact distortion.

  86. The unknown substance has finally been identified! The substance is integrity. Goodell is frustrated and confused, because he thought he had eliminated integrity from the league, and despite all attempts to confound them, the Patriots have somehow maintained their supply.

  87. freefromwhatyouare says:
    June 11, 2018 at 9:26 am
    Adderall is considered a stimulant and falls under “substance of abuse” policy rather than “PED” policy. All are banned by the NFL, both stimulants and PED’s.

    They are saying Edelman took a PED not a stimulant. Just because the name of it has not been released does not mean they don’t know what it is. Further testing is done just to have airtight accuracy so players like Edelman can not claim later in court that the test was false.

    Basically he is totally busted and they are just getting 100% airtight confirmation to make sure there is no way he can try and weasel out of this.

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    i agree with this statement

  88. On some new super high tech designer steroids that his buddy Tom Brady hooked him up with.

  89. This smells of conspiracy. Edelman has been the model representative of the pure athlete. Guys like that don’t change who they are. He’s also the key ingredient in making the Patriots’ offense malleable and unpredictable. Now that on-line sports betting’s legal (they’re already advertising this in Vegas, not waiting for any out of state-sponsored legislation to take root), finding another way of emasculating Brady was a given. It’s still early. More anomalies to follow; you can take that to the bank.

  90. The Patriots get such good sh1t its not even detectable 😂😂😂😂

    Explain this one away Pats fans!!!! Y’all had a lot to say about Lane Johnson recently!!!!

  91. Tortellini genie says:
    June 11, 2018 at 1:17 pm
    dynastypolice says:

    Same trainer/gooroo as Brady?…the guy BB kicked out off the facility? Hmmmmm, but not really Hmmmmm….just more of the same and why nothing under BB is legit. Only reason the sale wasn’t forced was for the good of the league itself, what a mistake.

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    So you are suggesting Belichick kicked someone out of the facility because he thought they might be breaking league rules, and that you think Belichick doing that is a sign he isn’t legit?

    Kinda losing me here.
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    Okay, let me break it down for you in layman’s terms.. If he ‘thought’ they ‘might’ be breaking league rules regarding PED’s all these years, and people were now catching on to this, he wouldn’t want to get caught (yet again), no? Getting rid of the evidence doesn’t mean the crime never existed e.g. destruction of tapes, phones etc. All moot either way as his legacy of not being legit has long been cemented in perpetuity.

  92. nfcleast says:
    June 11, 2018 at 5:17 pm
    The Patriots get such good sh1t its not even detectable 😂😂😂😂

    Explain this one away Pats fans!!!! Y’all had a lot to say about Lane Johnson recently!!!!
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    Both teams cheat?

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