Jon Gruden: CBA big factor in Hackenberg’s failure to launch

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Raiders coach Jon Gruden has made no secret of his distaste for the league’s collectively bargained rules governing offseason work and he went back to the well on Thursday while discussing quarterback Christian Hackenberg‘s release.

Gruden pointed to Hackenberg’s work this offseason to change “his stroke, his passing motion” and said there wasn’t enough time to work with the 2016 second-round pick after acquiring him in a trade with the Jets three weeks ago.

“Everybody is an expert out there on Hackenberg and thinks he can’t play,” Gruden said, via “It’s unfortunate, this whole collective [bargaining agreement]. How do you develop a quarterback? I don’t know how you do it. … It is hard enough to get Connor Cook enough reps, let alone a fourth guy. It really depresses me how we can’t spend more time with these young quarterbacks, and it is really going to be an impactful situation on the NFL in the future.”

Gruden isn’t the first to bemoan the impact that the current amount of offseason practice time has hindered development of quarterbacks, but it clearly can be done. Jimmy Garoppolo was a Patriots second-round pick two years before Hackenberg and he’s done OK despite being in the same position that Hackenberg was in during his first two NFL seasons.

If teams are concerned about player development and the need for more practice time, that’s something to discuss with the NFLPA heading into the next CBA. As in any negotiation, it will cost something to get more time in the offseason and there’s been little sign that team owners are prepared to make such trades.

Hackenberg reportedly visited the Patriots on Thursday, so perhaps they will be able to unlock something the Jets and Raiders couldn’t during their time with the quarterback. Or it may just be that Hackenberg was drafted too early, which was hardly an uncommon thought when the Jets took him in the first place.

42 responses to “Jon Gruden: CBA big factor in Hackenberg’s failure to launch

  1. Hmmm…maybe some guys need more coaching than other guys Josh….ever think of that? I guess you never played on a team with a

  2. Wasn’t Hackenberg’s only good college year Penn state under O’Brien? Maybe he could be a quality backup in Houston if they reunite

  3. Hackenberg’s a millionaire. He has the money to invest in himself. Plenty of QB coaches out there who could work with him offseason on his dime.

  4. The NFLCBA is the main reason the first three regular season games ( for all teams) are played so poorly. The starters don’t get enough reps nor practice enough prior to the regular season. The first three games/ weeks are sloppy football for the most part. Injuries occur etc.
    A lot of teams over the last years never recover from their poor starts. Plus ALL THE FANS pay the exact same price for their 2 home Pre season games. So the best football doesn’t begin until week 4. No good!

  5. The point is that after these 3 mandatory practices are done the players don’t report for another five weeks for training camp. How do you get into football shape then take five weeks off then only to come back and start over? Gruden has a great point the cba is a problem.

  6. here is a novel idea:

    Players can hone their craft by themselves in the off-season
    while they hone their craft with coaches/assistants during the season.

  7. Want more practices? The NFLPA will happily give that to you in exchange for a provision stating that every multiyear contract is guaranteed for at least a few years.

  8. J G was in a completely different circumstance. He was nber 2 of 2. Being last in and number 4 means no work.

  9. The most comical part of this thread of the meatball fans insinuating Hackenburns could develop by himself or with his buddies at the playground……


    I’ve said it for a decade. I’ll say it now. The NFL needs a farm system. Which is why the AAF and XFL are about to REALLY help the NFL oddly enough.

  10. Maybe Christian Hackenberg should think about coming to that special place in Hell called Canada and work on his French version of O’Canada if he really wants to play Quarterback.

  11. @friscokid49 – there’s not a whole lot you can “hone” by yourself. How does a QB work on his play-action fake in the backyard? Or his verbal cadence to get the defensive line to jump? How about looking off a safety?

    Unlike basketball, where even top NBA players can work on their shots in a driveway as long as there’s a rim over the garage door, the skill sets of football players are deeply intertwined with their teammates and opponents.

  12. Gruden is right about the league’s need to develop QBs And he is right about the very limited time coaches have to spend with their players.

    But one thing that has always been true and will always be true. The NFL is a sink or swim business. Hackenberg was a 2nd round pick and was given reps. He didn’t shine. He then lost those reps to guys who showed more promise and ultimately he dug himself into a hole he couldnt develop out of.

  13. For the money these guys are making they should be full time employees…I know if they had to work 40 hours for 50 weeks then they’d only make 950 and hour on average.

    But reality is…after the next CBA they’ll get a bigger piece of the pie and work less…damn good work if you can get it…

  14. Using Garrapolo as an example is facetious and stupid. The Pats had a solid number one, devoted full time to Garrapolo when Brady was going to be suspended. Meanwhile the Jets have been a dumbster fire at QB.

    A truly worthless analogy that points out people who write stuff without having any knowledge on the subject.

  15. They make it sound like Hakenburg is just sitting alone in some room staring at a blank wall for 24 hours a day. Take some initiative, organize a throwing session with your scout WRs, hire a QB coach, work with your coaches in the hours you can, study film, practice calling plays, it’s not that hard to do something…

  16. Hackenberg was lucky to be drafted at all, 53.5% completion percentage in his Junior year and then he declares?

    There is a place for quarterbacks to develop. It’s called college. If they make the decision that they’re ready for the big time, and they’re wrong, then it’s their fault, not the CBA’s. He couldn’t beat out Bryce Petty or Geno Smith, who both got starts ahead of him. He couldn’t convince the coaches to give him a single snap in two years, not even to hold the ball on extra points.

    That’s not the fault of the CBA.

  17. IN the midst of a bad year for him in 2017, he still had things he did very well. Carr was virtually mistake-free when given a clean pocket. Since 2013, only Tom Brady has a lower interception rate from a clean pocket according to PFF. Gruden is hoping to give Carr more of those clean pockets by cutting right tackle Marshall Newhouse and drafting tackles Kolton Miller (Round 1) and Brandon Parker (Round 3).
    But 5,000 yards? When he hasn’t even thrown for 4,000 yet?

    His two seasons over 3,900 yards would have been over 4,000 without the excessive drops he’s endured. Carr has had more passes dropped than any quarterback in the NFL since 2014 (147).
    In 2017, the Raiders had the second-most drops (35) after leading the NFL drops in 2016. They also posted the third-worst cumulative receiving grade according to PFF in 2017. So Gruden let Michael Crabtree go after he dropped six passes and moved Seth Roberts, who dropped four, down the depth chart. Amari Cooper dropped 10 himself but is one of the few receivers in NFL history to have 1,000-yards in his first two seasons.
    His receiving corps has vastly improved to go along with a better system, health and protection.
    Also see: Carr had 2nd most drops in NFL last season, could Raiders revamped receiving corps change that?
    So Gruden gave the 23-year-old Cooper a chance to get it together while adding Jordy Nelson, Martavis Bryant, and Ryan Switzer, who combined for just six drops last year.
    Nelson and Bryant, with their size and speed, are deep threats and red-zone targets to go with their reliable hands. Meanwhile, Switzer is good underneath and after the catch, making him another good option in the slot. Nelson, with his knowledge of the game, will help Carr and the other receivers tremendously.

    Read up all you Raider nay Sayers HA HA

    We now have the no drop zone !!!

  18. Gruden is just getting warmed up. He will use the CBA as an excuse to gloss over the Raiders terrible 2018 season. Now that’s funny as Gruden had never “developed” a team in his life. The Bucs were Dungy’s team and the Raiders under Gruden were an old, team of vets many of whom were there when Chucky arrived. Gruden doesn’t develop teams, he inherits them.

  19. idiedpretty, you do know rosters are very easy to find. The 2000 12-4 team roster was much different than 1998 8-8 team.

  20. Gruden has never developed a QB in his career. He always got by bringing in vets. I don’t understand the love for this clown, he’s vastly overrated.

  21. The NFLPA will gladly give the NFL more practice time in exchange for letting the players do whatever they damn well please during the National Anthem.

  22. Im telling ya man, the reason we went 4-12 in 2018 is the damn CBA! That’s the only reason. We couldn’t practice, yeah man, Im talking practice. Man, I love this team but you should know it will take more than a 10 year rebuild. That’s why I need my contract extended now. $14M/year, all guaranteed. When we finally make the playoffs someday, I” be worth it!

  23. He can hire a QB coach and work on changing his motion on his own. If he is just looking into that now than too late, move on and spend time with Connor Cook.

  24. I don’t understand. So now this guy is a cut free agent and Gruden can’t go play catch with him at a non-nfl facility. I’m sure there are plenty of local semi pro recievers who might even run a few pass patterns for a couple Chic Filets.

  25. The NFLPA will gladly give the NFL more practice time in exchange for letting the players do whatever they damn well please during the National Anthem.

    Not a chance.

  26. Jimmy Garoppolo sat on the bench for 3 and a half years in an NFL with 5 year rookie contracts. Not exactly an ideal plan for a team to develop a high draft pick QB. After all how many games did Jimmy G win for the team thath drafted him? Zero.

  27. Actually, Garoppollo’s situation was much different than Hackenberg’s. The Patriots only carried two QBs in his tenure here. The Jets carried three. More reps for Garoppollo. But hey, the players negotiated for less practice time.

  28. idiedpretty says:

    June 14, 2018 at 7:45 pm

    Gruden is just getting warmed up. He will use the CBA as an excuse to gloss over the Raiders terrible 2018 season. Now that’s funny as Gruden had never “developed” a team in his life. The Bucs were Dungy’s team and the Raiders under Gruden were an old, team of vets many of whom were there when Chucky arrived. Gruden doesn’t develop teams, he inherits them.


    Sad when you have zero knowledge of football which causes you to make stupid comments like this

  29. Watch as BB turns the Hack into the H-bomb, almost certain now after Gruden’s weaseling.

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