Tom Brady sees the end coming “sooner rather than later”

AP

Patriots quarterback Tom Brady obviously is far closer to the end of his career than the beginning. It’s still not clear how close he may be. But he knows it’s coming.

I think about it more now than I used to,” Brady tells Oprah Winfrey in an interview that debuts this weekend, via the Boston Herald. “I think I’m seeing there’s definitely an end coming sooner, rather than later.”

He continues to avoid specifics about when he’ll walk away, keeping his commitment to play open ended.

“As long as I’m still loving it,” Brady said. “As long as I’m loving the training and the preparation and willing to make the commitment. But it’s also, I think what I alluded to a lot in the [Tom vs. Time] docu-series, there’s other things happening in my life, too. I do have kids that I love, and I don’t want to be a dad that’s not there, driving my kids to their games . . . my kids have brought a great perspective in my life. Kids just want the attention. You better be there. And be available to them.”

Despite plenty of speculation regarding the reasons for Brady’s absence from voluntary offseason workouts in 2018, the simplest explanation could be that his family has demanded more of his attention, prompting him to choose spending time with them over non-mandatory work days. And that could be part of the complex compromise that will come to characterize the latter days of Brady’s Hall of Fame career.

As long as he can maintain that balance — and as long as he can perform at a high level — he’ll keep going.

Even then, no one should ever expect Brady to provide an expiration date to his career. He’s not wired to have a Jeter-style farewell tour, which would put himself above the team. Brady likely will insist he intends to keep playing until the moment he decides to stop, and it will come as a surprise, no matter how inevitable everyone realizes it now is.

264 responses to “Tom Brady sees the end coming “sooner rather than later”

  1. As much as I dislike the Pats, I’m going to miss Brady when he’s gone. Manning, Brees, & Brady, we’ll look back on this time as the Golden Years of NFL Quarterbacking.

  2. Well no kidding, he’s in his 40’s. HGH is allowing QB’s to perform at a high level in later years than before HGH but even that can’t stop the inevitable.

  3. Obviously he’s closer to the end than the beginning of his career, this will be his 19th season in the NFL. He’d have to expect be in the NFL for 20 more seasons to be closer to the beginning than the end. So don’t get your hopes up that this means he’ll be retiring any time soon.

  4. What a run this guy has given us. I used to watch Montana and the 49ers as a kid when Pats games were blacked out on TV for not selling out, or when they’d inevitably miss the playoffs, and wonder “where can we get a guy like that?” I remember asking my dad if the Patriots would ever win a Super Bowl, and he said “maybe at some point in your lifetime.” Well, that player I dreamed of having was off somewhere, a kid just like me, playing Pop Warner and going to elementary school, just in some other town in some other state. Pretty surreal that a peer would grow up to be arguably the best to ever play the game, and he ended up playing for MY home team, acquired under unlikely expectations, and this guy has given us almost two decades of straight up magic. I mean, FIVE Super Bowls, and in contention every year, what an accomplishment. My dad is 86 now, and I worry every Father’s Day is our last at this point, but whenever his time comes, I’ll rest easier knowing he got to see all this too. And not for nothing, I’m a little jealous of the old guys who won’t have to watch a post-Brady/Belichick Patriots franchise for decades afterwards, haha. However many seasons we have left of Tommy, I’ll savor the hell out of them. We get so caught up in rumors and speculation, but really, I just want to shut up and watch the GOAT chuck the football around while we still can.

  5. He’s not 21 anymore. If he gets seriously hurt there will be regret and alot of what ifs. Its a young mans game where a younger body can take more punishment. Great career, but for his and his family’s sake he should move on. He has nothing to prove or gain anymore.

  6. Its a shame they got rid of Jimmy G. You think they would have learned to always listen to The Hoodie.

  7. I do think what he said is telling:

    “As long as I’m still loving the training and the preparation”

    This offseason he is not “loving the training and preparation” For the first time he has tried to stay away from it as much as possible. Couple that with the growing friction with BB and I think the writing is on the wall. Tom is telling us this is going to be his last year in New England. Possibly full retirement after this season, but no doubt his last season playing for BB.

    I think Tom is good for the NFL. I did not like him not being a man and admitting fault in deflategate, but that does not make him not a great QB and fun to watch play.

    After this season which will be his last playing for Bill, I do hope he finds a team where he can enjoy his final year or years in the NFL.

    No debate one of the greatest QB’s of all-time and is a joy to watch play the game.

  8. He played his whole career in a division with no competition,,lucky him he’s the LOAT !

  9. Well then, it’s a good thing they traded Jimmy G away sooner rather than later. They should’ve kept JG! What a dumb move.

  10. I completely understand GOAT.

    You made all the years as a youngster sitting on the aluminum benches at Schaffer worth it in my elder years!

    Hope you hang in there a few more.

  11. jimmylikesthat says:

    If he’s on HGH why isn’t his forehead enormous like that former QB in all the commercials?
    =============================================

    If course it’s HGH. I laugh when these guys claim it’s new nutrition and training discoveries. It’s HGH and everyone knows it. The media covers it up. When the police found a roomful of stuff at the Eagles training camp a few years ago, the story got buried quick, party because of the tragedy of Andy Reid’s son. But one of these days when a true journalist comes along the NFL will have a huge scandal on their hands.

  12. terripet says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:12 am
    It’s over this year
    ______________________________

    You’ve said that 8 years in a row and will repeat it next year. Eventually you will be right. Go hang a particpation banner, pump in some noise and pat yourself on the back for a job poorly done.

  13. The Cheating window was finally slammed shut, locked, and plywood covered by Nick Foles.
    Slinker away and good riddance…..the game will be more credible without you….and BB…and shady Bobby Kraft

  14. Michael E says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:16 am
    Well no kidding, he’s in his 40’s. HGH is allowing QB’s to perform at a high level in later years than before HGH but even that can’t stop the inevitable.

    ——

    HGH? He hardly needs that to throw a football. He is one of the most nonathletic QBs ever.

  15. Athans Sports Talk says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:35 am
    Michael E says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:16 am
    Well no kidding, he’s in his 40’s. HGH is allowing QB’s to perform at a high level in later years than before HGH but even that can’t stop the inevitable.

    ——

    HGH? He hardly needs that to throw a football. He is one of the most nonathletic QBs ever.
    =================================================================

    If you think all he does is stand there and throws a ball you know nothing about the game of football.

  16. Athans Sports Talk says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:35 am
    Michael E says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:16 am
    Well no kidding, he’s in his 40’s. HGH is allowing QB’s to perform at a high level in later years than before HGH but even that can’t stop the inevitable.

    ——

    HGH? He hardly needs that to throw a football. He is one of the most nonathletic QBs ever.

    ——

    I don’t think you understand how HGH works…

  17. With the demands that football puts on a player and Brady puts on himself, once the thought of life beyond football enters a player’s mind, the end is very near.

    Either that or he’s angling for a high priced contract extension.

  18. Brady will retire the first time the Patriots aren’t in the Super Bowl. He doesn’t have the ambition and drive anymore to be playing for a rebuilding team. Who can blame him? He has nothing left to prove to anyone. He’s accomplished everything that a player can reasonably expect to in his career. He’ll end in up the broadcasting booth for one of the networks or maybe even on Monday Night Football. It’s not a bad way for him to step away from playing.

  19. Michael E says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:39 am
    Athans Sports Talk says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:35 am
    Michael E says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:16 am
    Well no kidding, he’s in his 40’s. HGH is allowing QB’s to perform at a high level in later years than before HGH but even that can’t stop the inevitable.

    ——

    HGH? He hardly needs that to throw a football. He is one of the most nonathletic QBs ever.
    =================================================================

    If you think all he does is stand there and throws a ball you know nothing about the game of football.

    ——-

    Have you read his book and read about the TB12 method? It’s literally working out with body weight and resistance bands, with some messages a few times a week.

  20. Looking at the all time passing yards record it’s likely that Brees will be number 1 and Brady would be about 500 to 1000 yrds away from surpassing Brett favre and Peyton Manning after this year. All Brady would need to do is play 1 year after Brees and he would own the record. Brady is probably hoping Brees retires after this year and he gives it one last hoorah next year.

    RK PLAYER YDS
    1 Peyton Manning 71,940
    2 Brett Favre 71,838
    3 DREW BREES 70,445
    4 TOM BRADY 66,159

  21. The ‘unathletic’ Brady was also drafted as a catcher by the Montreal Expos. Probably nothing compared to everone’s illustrious Little League careers.

  22. Athans Sports Talk says:
    June 16, 2018 at 10:06 am
    Michael E says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:39 am
    Athans Sports Talk says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:35 am
    Michael E says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:16 am
    Well no kidding, he’s in his 40’s. HGH is allowing QB’s to perform at a high level in later years than before HGH but even that can’t stop the inevitable.

    ——

    HGH? He hardly needs that to throw a football. He is one of the most nonathletic QBs ever.
    =================================================================

    If you think all he does is stand there and throws a ball you know nothing about the game of football.

    ——-

    Have you read his book and read about the TB12 method? It’s literally working out with body weight and resistance bands, with some messages a few times a week.
    =====================================================

    Have you read Lance Armstrong’s book It’s Not About The Bike? You people sound EXACTLY like the people and media who defended Armstrong. Same as the people who defended Mark McGuire. Exactly. But yes, it turned out they were guilty. But they were just the big names. Everyone was doing it. Brady is just a big name. Everyone is doing it. You can laugh at me the same way they laughed at Greg LeMond when he accused Armstrong of doping.

    Andy Reid’s son was employed as an assistant strength training coach. The police found his room full of steroids. The Eagles actually tried to claim it was all for him. Teams are just a guilty as players and someday the walls will come crashing down.

  23. Yeah, as great as Brady has been, Father Time is undefeated. If he avoids a serious injury, he could play at his usual level for 2-3 more seasons, but time is catching up on him.

  24. terripet says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:12 am

    It’s over this year
    ————————

    Geez. At least give the Colts a game or two.

  25. “Andy Reid’s son was employed as an assistant strength training coach. The police found his room full of steroids. The Eagles actually tried to claim it was all for him. Teams are just a guilty as players and someday the walls will come crashing down”.

    Not true made up! They found heroin, his.

  26. TruFBFan says:
    June 16, 2018 at 10:13 am
    Pats fans: “Fake news!”

    The rest of us: ” Eventually reality has to creep in, even to your limited minds.”
    ——————————————————
    Pats fans: Some day Tom Brady will retire, thanks for all the memories.

    The rest: Brady’s done. Patriots are finished. Yada, yada, yada… and on and on, for quite a number of years now.

    Who sees reality and whose minds are limited?

  27. officialgame says:
    June 16, 2018 at 10:33 am
    “Andy Reid’s son was employed as an assistant strength training coach. The police found his room full of steroids. The Eagles actually tried to claim it was all for him. Teams are just a guilty as players and someday the walls will come crashing down”.

    Not true made up! They found heroin, his.
    =====================================================

    Steroids present in room of Garrett Reid when he died
    AP Published 3:43 p.m. ET Dec. 17, 2012 | Updated 5:41 p.m. ET Dec. 17, 2012

  28. “HGH? He hardly needs that to throw a football. He is one of the most nonathletic QBs ever.”

    He said HGH, not anabolic steroids. HGH helps accelerate recover from injuries, minor and major and helps to maintain tissue integrity. Can’t imagine why any player in their 40s could possibly want that….

  29. Great,great qb,but his wife turned him into an international prima Donna fruitcake.In the end his phony trainer will dwindle him,guaranteed.

  30. PresidentTrumpIsRightRespectYourCountryAndFlag says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:21 am
    Greatest system QB ever!

    ==================================

    i see what you did there. very clever. i agree with you that they named the greatest offensive system ever after the guy who made it go. if it was any other system he would be a 500 qb but i prefer he plays within the tom brady system as it has had amazing results so far.

  31. Michael E says:
    June 16, 2018 at 10:25 am
    Athans Sports Talk says:
    June 16, 2018 at 10:06 am
    Michael E says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:39 am
    Athans Sports Talk says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:35 am
    Michael E says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:16 am
    Well no kidding, he’s in his 40’s. HGH is allowing QB’s to perform at a high level in later years than before HGH but even that can’t stop the inevitable.

    ——

    HGH? He hardly needs that to throw a football. He is one of the most nonathletic QBs ever.
    =================================================================

    If you think all he does is stand there and throws a ball you know nothing about the game of football.

    ——-

    Have you read his book and read about the TB12 method? It’s literally working out with body weight and resistance bands, with some messages a few times a week.
    =====================================================

    Have you read Lance Armstrong’s book It’s Not About The Bike? You people sound EXACTLY like the people and media who defended Armstrong. Same as the people who defended Mark McGuire. Exactly. But yes, it turned out they were guilty. But they were just the big names. Everyone was doing it. Brady is just a big name. Everyone is doing it. You can laugh at me the same way they laughed at Greg LeMond when he accused Armstrong of doping.

    Andy Reid’s son was employed as an assistant strength training coach. The police found his room full of steroids. The Eagles actually tried to claim it was all for him. Teams are just a guilty as players and someday the walls will come crashing down.

    ——

    So your argument is every single player is cheating? Why even bring HGH up at all then? Why can’t other QBs using HGH play as long? You claim I don’t know what it takes to play QB, yet you compare him to a biker and baseball player? Doping gives you a huge advantage in cycling and HGH is proven to make you hit more HRs. Tom Brady has one of the most embarrassing 40s in combine history, yet you think he suddenly became good because he started doing HGH? The reality is guys like Lance Armstrong were accused for years before getting caught. Brady has never even been accused, so why would I simply assume? Also, you act like his age is unprecedented, which it isn’t. Guys play into their 40s all the time…

    Mark Brunell-retired at 41
    Earl Morall-retired at 42
    Doug Flutie-retired at 43
    Vinny Testaverda-retired at 44
    Warren Moon-retired at 44
    George Blanda-retired at age 48
    And of course Brett Favre and Peyton Manning (who actually may be a cheater, unless we believe his wife needed HGH)

    There is nothing special about Brady’s age and there is zero reason to suspect him of using HGH. You have demonstrated you don’t know what you are talking about and simply assume everyone is cheating.

  32. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:27 am
    He played his whole career in a division with no competition,,lucky him he’s the LOAT !

    Yeah I know if only he played in that tough AFC SOUTH like Manning did pretty much his entire career
    He faced a bunch of competition in that division, right?

    Oh wait….

  33. Should have retired after the Atlanta game and walked off into the sunset.

    Still, there is now way the Patriots trade Garapollo without an ironclad commitment from Brady to play at least 2-3 more years.

  34. Love the mountains of salty hate – testament to how many immature trolls have watched Brady wup their team over 16yrs, reaching 12 CGs & 8 SBs. Anyone with a half a brain can see how his longevity really works – he protects himself a lot simply by ultra quick releases and throw aways, seldom scrambles or puts himself at risk, and treats his body like a temple.

    He won’t last forever, but the great Warren Moon played into his mid-40s (without the TB12 method) and Brady could easily do so too. The only problem would be a major-ish injury as even his body won’t recover like it could when he was 25.

  35. Every player is a “system” player but the great ones have a team built around them and they keep winning.
    HGH..maybe peyton should have taken some of his wifes,he may have played better in his later years and not gotten benched for osweiler.The weight of that head said a neck injury was inevitable though.

  36. If there’s a way to cheat Father Time, Brady will do it. Be on the lookout for Brady’s flattened and unrecognizable cell phone.

    Brady: “What do you mean cell phone? I don’t even own have a hammer.”

  37. u4iadman says:
    June 16, 2018 at 11:12 am
    Not GOAT Proven cheater. Deal.
    ————————

    Your long-term constant sad trolling increasingly contradicts your arguing against his greatness. But as to “proven cheater”, I refer you to the key moment from the deflategate court case:

    Judge Berman: “What evidence…on January 18?”
    NFL lawyer Nash: “No, not for that specific game.”
    Judge Berman: “The Wells report relates to only one game. There is no finding in this case that there was anything done by Mr. Brady.”

    NFL won an appeal, not on Brady’s guilt but on Fraudger’s CBA right to suspend as he sees fit.

  38. Guys play into their 40s all the time…
    Mark Brunell-retired at 41
    Earl Morall-retired at 42
    Doug Flutie-retired at 43
    Vinny Testaverda-retired at 44
    Warren Moon-retired at 44
    George Blanda-retired at age 48
    And of course Brett Favre and Peyton Manning (who actually may be a cheater, unless we believe his wife needed HGH)
    There is nothing special about Brady’s age and there is zero reason to suspect him of using HGH. You have demonstrated you don’t know what you are talking about and simply assume everyone is cheating.

    ______

    LOL yet you forget to mention which one of those played their best football at age 39,40? Which won MVP at 40? Threw for over 500 yards in SB at 40?

    Just because they played in 40’s is meaningless. Brunell, Flutie, Testaverde were certified clipboard holders.

  39. The final milestone for Peyton Manning was the year his forehead measured a true 18 inches. For Brady, it will be more of a vision thing, like having difficulty reading opposing teams’ playbooks and watching the video of their practice sessions.

  40. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    June 16, 2018 at 11:19 am
    If there’s a way to cheat Father Time, Brady will do it. Be on the lookout for Brady’s flattened and unrecognizable cell phone.
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    Brady offered his logs – which Fraudger refused to accept – yet they accepted Zeke Elliott’s logs and have always done so because the CBA protects players’ phones. And Fraudger never even asked for the HGH guys phones (Peyton, Harrison, Peppers, Neal, Matthews) and yet that didn’t make them automatically guilty. The simple fact is Fraudger knew there was nothing (because he had all the Pats’ staff phones) and so all he had was to push the claim that Brady got rid of his phone when Wells demanded it (which Wells didn’t) and tried to hide (by legally sealing the appeal proceedings) that Brady offered logs like EVERY other player does. Keep taking your salt tablets, and enjoy watching Brady beat your team this year.

  41. To streetyson- Tell it to the judge who upheld Brady’s four-game suspension.

  42. There’s a lot of talk here for and against Brady, but one thing we can all agree on is that below the equator he’s a total stallion. I played with Tom in college and saw him in all his glory in the locker room after every practice and game and believe me when I tell you that Tom Terrific is swinging a trunk that would make a bull elephant blush.

  43. The haters refuse to even get basic, uncontroverted facta about Deflategate and the long windup to the Grappollo trade right, and you call Pats fans ignorant? Twenty years of you embarrassing yourselves and it won’t end soon.

  44. Sooner rather than later?

    So Tom Brady, the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time, is going to play for another seven years instead of ten more years?

    I can live with that.

  45. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    June 16, 2018 at 11:54 am
    To streetyson- Tell it to the judge who upheld Brady’s four-game suspension.
    ————————-

    The judge that upheld that the CBA allows the commisioner to suspend players even after the court clears them? That the commisioner is allowed to claim a players conduct is detrimental to the league without having to provide any clear meaning why he thinks that, just the fact that he says so. As much as that was celebrated when it was used against Brady, and really it was those powers to go ahead and slap Zeke after the investigations came up empty, how many of you are going to celebrate that finding if Goodell uses it to beat the suit the NFLPA is currently saying they are about to launch with this cattle call of lawyers they are talking about? Because really in the end Goodell never established Brady was guilty, what he established was the it didnt matter because the CBA says the commisioner can do however he pleases just because he pleases. Think about it before you celebrate.

  46. So he’s basically saying “Ill call it a career when the refs start calling holding on my o-line or when they stop calling illegal contact on the defense every time I throw an incompletion on 3rd down.”

    Those 3 total penalties called on NE throughout the entire postseason last year were far too many.

  47. One thing is certain, Tammy will never take a job on TV due to his hair plugs being even more exposed on HD TV. This fake weakling also sounds more feminine than Richard Simmons. Maybe he could get a gig announcing WNBA games on the radio. He definitely sounds more feminine than Pam Ward and any other female broadcasters ESPN has

  48. thermanmerman99 says:
    June 16, 2018 at 12:45 pm
    One thing is certain, Tammy will never take a job on TV due to his hair plugs being even more exposed on HD TV. This fake weakling also sounds more feminine than Richard Simmons. Maybe he could get a gig announcing WNBA games on the radio. He definitely sounds more feminine than Pam Ward and any other female broadcasters ESPN has

    Christ!!!

    Can you say “trying too hard”

  49. One of the biggest confirmations of greatness other that the accomplishments themselves are the people that resent it and hate the person for their greatness. The more the hate and the more vehement the hate the more you can know the greatness. You can see here how many get triggered by such an article and need to vehemently deny that greatness that they so wish was not so. They call it cheating, they say it will be over soon, they try to delect attention to others. Its all ploys to shut away that one thing they hate which is that persons greatness. Its not even others they are trying to convince it is thenselves. Brady’s haters are not the only example of this either.

  50. So Tom Brady, the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time, is going to play for another seven years instead of ten more years?

    I can live with that.

    It’s going to be very enjoyable to drink the tears of little fanboys like this Twinkie when Tammy retires. Growing up spoiled by Brady you are totally unprepared for the sorrow you are about to endure………priceless.

  51. streetyson says:
    June 16, 2018 at 11:39 am

    Fraudger refused to accept Brady’s logs…etc.

    You mentioned the sealed transcript…Isn’t that the same transcript (ordered opened by Judge Berman?) that started the “56 Lies” the NFL had told in Brady’s appeal?

  52. How selfish of Brady to contemplate retirement less than a year after insisting the organization trade the future. Not a good look from him.

  53. Wonder if Pats fans sorrow will be anywhere near what steelers and their fans have suffered at the hands of the Pats the last 17 yes.

  54. I am a lifelong pats fan and I have loved and appreciated this amazing and unprecedented run by the Patriots but I hate to admit this but I am getting very tired of Tom Brady and his act, he pushed so bb would get rid of Jimmy G and now he is talking about the end? If he was going to be like this the Pats should’ve kept Jimmy G and let Brady retire or trade him. Now it is more then likely this is TB12 last year and we don’t have a qb to replace him. End the drama already.

  55. To this day I still don’t know who the back up is to Tom. When Jimmy was there yea but now…there is nobody.

  56. NFL rigged easy schedule for yearly cakewalk to SuperBowl coupled with referees tripping over themselves to keep Tammy’s jersey from ever hitting the ground – he can easily play another few years and lose a few more superbowls.

  57. I have lived and died with the Pats since ’85. I’m grateful for all that Brady has brought to the franchise every Sunday. But he has been displaying some very human behavior the last couple years. I DO believe he ran Garoppolo out of town and I believe it’s because he saw in Jimmy G the same thing Belichick saw. Is it human to not want the team to not miss a beat when you step down? Sure. I guess I just am not used to seeing Tom Brady behave in such a human way.

  58. Pats fanboys say he will play til 50. Actually, some believe 60. Personally, I believe he can play til 70, but only because Mother Nature will exclude him from her usual plans because he is so good-looking.

  59. Let me get this straight. In the Tom vs. Time series, Brady said pretty much the exact thing quoted in this post; i.e., that it was all about his mental commitment and reconciling football with his family. Despite that, a couple of weeks ago every sports news source was in a fever, speculating that Brady’s absence from OTAs must be because he’s ticked off at Belichick and/or he doesn’t like his contract.

    But now Brady’s interviewed by Oprah Winfrey and all of a sudden “the simplest explanation could be that his family has demanded more of his attention, prompting him to choose spending time with them over non-mandatory work days.” No kidding! Anybody paying any attention knew that. But I guess this is the power of Oprah.

  60. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 16, 2018 at 12:58 pm
    So Tom Brady, the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time, is going to play for another seven years instead of ten more years?

    I can live with that.

    It’s going to be very enjoyable to drink the tears of little fanboys like this Twinkie when Tammy retires. Growing up spoiled by Brady you are totally unprepared for the sorrow you are about to endure………priceless.

    ———————-
    What tears? You are looking at it from the frustrated perspective of someone living with a loser for a long time. It shows because you dont understand what its like to have been winners for so many years. Of course all things come to an end. Even if the Pats draft the next Tom Brady next year (or if Etling turns out to be, but Im not holding my breath) even that will someday come to an end. Whether its next year or over a decade from now the pendulum will swing because it always does, and the Pats fates will change. But for us fans we already have the bird in hand. You cannot take away the history, the 16 years of greatness we have been treated to. Even in the worst case scenario (say if this upcoming camp is where Brady finally shows his decline and this coming season becomes a struggle) the fans still have all that has been given them already. There will be no tears, how can anyone cry when there has been so much to be thankful for? The only thing fans will feel in NE is an overwhelming sense of gratitude. We already feel that, we know everything to come at this point is just extra gravy. The irony in your statements is in how they show that its not about us fearing not getting any more gravy, instead they show about how much you fear it continuing.

  61. jagsfan1 says:
    June 16, 2018 at 2:00 pm
    NFL rigged easy schedule for yearly cakewalk to SuperBowl

    —————
    So the Patriots rigged the schedule to be playing the Jags for the AFC? And do you really want to say beating them was part of a cakewalk?

  62. philipdebin says:
    June 16, 2018 at 1:55 pm
    Can’t wait for the Jags to get another crack at this guy in the playoffs.

    ———————-
    You will probably get it too. Its not like the Steelers will be in your way.

  63. Wonder if Pats fans sorrow will be anywhere near what steelers and their fans have suffered at the hands of the Pats the last 17 yes.

    Wonder no more Steeler fans have seen three different coaches win Super Bowls…not just one with three different QB’s….not one. So being winners for a far longer period puts things in their proper perspective. You wouldn’t understand you are new to extended periods of success.

  64. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 16, 2018 at 12:58 pm
    So Tom Brady, the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time, is going to play for another seven years instead of ten more years?

    I can live with that.

    It’s going to be very enjoyable to drink the tears of little fanboys like this Twinkie when Tammy retires. Growing up spoiled by Brady you are totally unprepared for the sorrow you are about to endure………priceless

    /////////////////////////////

    Unfortunately we will not witness their tears. They will jump ship, change their username and become fans of the next winning team.

  65. schwamtek says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:25 am
    He’s not 21 anymore. If he gets seriously hurt there will be regret and alot of what ifs. Its a young mans game where a younger body can take more punishment. Great career, but for his and his family’s sake he should move on. He has nothing to prove or gain anymore.

    It’s called stat padding. You know, the term you pats fans incessantly harped on PM for when he signed with Denver? Ooooh,505 yards in a SB… that he LOST. Stat padding pure and simple.

  66. Retire Tom. Keep your mind and your health. You’ve given us enough. Lifelong Pat’s fan here and you can go Tom. You’ve given us a lot to be proud about and I hope he owns the team someday.

  67. denverscott says:
    June 16, 2018 at 2:35 pm
    …………………………..
    It’s called stat padding. You know, the term you pats fans incessantly harped on PM for when he signed with Denver? Ooooh,505 yards in a SB… that he LOST. Stat padding pure and simple.
    ————————————————————————

    Yup, Tom Brady leading the Patriots to 12 AFC Championships, 8 Super Bowl appearances, and 5 Super Bowl wins, is absolutely stat padding; the kind of stat padding that any football fan would love to see out of their team’s QB. If he retires in 2 seasons, let us all hope he has stat padded his way to 10 Super Bowl starts as the Pats QB.

    I am certain that Peyton Manning fans everywhere equally enjoyed Peyton’s stat padding of a record 9 times one and done. And then, of course, there was Peyton’s Ooooh year of 2013 where he stat padded his way to 55 TD passes in the regular season, and a 43-8 loss in the Super Bowl.

  68. eddievortex says:
    June 16, 2018 at 2:05 pm
    jagsfan1 says:
    June 16, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    _______________________________
    Explain please HOW the NFL rigs the schedule for New England.
    +++++++++++++
    Bye weeks are a good example. Eagles play four teams coming off bye weeks this year. When Patriots won super bowl they didn’t play one team coming off a bye week. This year they do play a team coming off a bye week and it just so happens to be patriots have a bye week as well.

  69. “We have no direct evidence that Mr Brady stuck a needle in a ball or ordered someone to do it”
    — The NFL, under oath, in federal court.

    Tee hee. 🙂 I love powning Patriot Hater arguments. 🙂

  70. “redeemerac says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:07 am

    As much as I dislike the Pats, I’m going to miss Brady when he’s gone. Manning, Brees, & Brady, we’ll look back on this time as the Golden Years of NFL Quarterbacking.”

    As opposed to the 90’s with Young, Elway, Favre, Aikman, Marino, Kelly, Moon, Bledsoe, and Cunningham? Maybe you didn’t have the privilege of following the NFL in the 90’s… it was much better, IMHO.

  71. patriotmaleorgy says:
    June 16, 2018 at 2:57 pm
    eddievortex says:
    June 16, 2018 at 2:05 pm
    jagsfan1 says:
    June 16, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    _______________________________
    Explain please HOW the NFL rigs the schedule for New England.
    +++++++++++++
    Bye weeks are a good example. Eagles play four teams coming off bye weeks this year. When Patriots won super bowl they didn’t play one team coming off a bye week. This year they do play a team coming off a bye week and it just so happens to be patriots have a bye week as well.

    ———-

    Funny how fans, most notably the silly Patriot Hater, think the schedule/refs are always rigged in favor of teams they don’t like. 🙂 Tee hee 🙂

  72. I am certain that Peyton Manning fans everywhere equally enjoyed Peyton’s stat padding of a record 9 times one and done. And then, of course, there was Peyton’s Ooooh year of 2013 where he stat padded his way to 55 TD passes in the regular season, and a 43-8 loss in the Super Bowl.

    ——
    All that hype…all those records… all that work choreographing celebrations… only to get clownstomped in the biggest game of all.

    You just HATE to see that.

    🙂

  73. schwamtek says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:25 am
    He’s not 21 anymore. If he gets seriously hurt there will be regret and alot of what ifs. Its a young mans game where a younger body can take more punishment. Great career, but for his and his family’s sake he should move on. He has nothing to prove or gain anymore.
    ——-
    Football is a tough game. You could very easily wonder what happens to that 21 year old who gets seriously hurt too…

  74. patriotmaleorgy says:
    June 16, 2018 at 2:57 pm
    eddievortex says:
    June 16, 2018 at 2:05 pm
    jagsfan1 says:
    June 16, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    _______________________________
    Explain please HOW the NFL rigs the schedule for New England.
    +++++++++++++
    Bye weeks are a good example. Eagles play four teams coming off bye weeks this year. When Patriots won super bowl they didn’t play one team coming off a bye week. This year they do play a team coming off a bye week and it just so happens to be patriots have a bye week as well.

    —————————-
    Bye weeks are a terrible example. For history so far teams coming off bye weeks are .521. Thats hardly a convicing edge.

  75. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 16, 2018 at 2:33 pm
    Wonder if Pats fans sorrow will be anywhere near what steelers and their fans have suffered at the hands of the Pats the last 17 yes.

    Wonder no more Steeler fans have seen three different coaches win Super Bowls…not just one with three different QB’s….not one. So being winners for a far longer period puts things in their proper perspective. You wouldn’t understand you are new to extended periods of success.

    ——————
    Steelers have never experienced it. Three short period spread out over several decades is a long way from 16 years of constant. Its not even unusual. Lots of teams have risen for short stretches of greatness, some more than others, but none have managed sustain it. Thats only the Patriots.

    But as far as you question whether “Pats fans sorrow will be anywhere near what steelers and their fans have suffered at the hands of the Pats the last 17 yers”? No, it wont be anywhere as close. As much as Pats fans have enjoyed greatness, the Steelers fans have enjoyed disappointment to a much larger degree. A lot of that is their fault because they tend to set themselves up for it. Lets face it, the whole reason you like to predict the end of the Pats as much as you do is because you are trying to convince your own self, not others. Its a need you gave that is driven by your fear and suspicion that its not ending anytime soon. And when it does, Pats fans will be feeling gratitude, not sorrow.

  76. It must be really sad to “anti-root” for a team or a player, To dedicate ones life to searching out stories about a team or a player you hate and spew out venom toward them.

    I mean to be honest I used to really hate the Yankees and the Canadians…….but then I turned 11 or 12 yrears old and kind of outgrew it.

  77. Steelers have never experienced it. Three short period spread out over several decades is a long way from 16 years of constant. Its not even unusual. Lots of teams have risen for short stretches of greatness, some more than others, but none have managed sustain it. Thats only the Patriots.

    I guess it easier to win with three different coaches and QB’s than to win with just one coach and Qb….really…..you must be a really tough kid for your teachers to reach….priceless.

  78. Oh man, Babe is going to be in total denial about this news. The other day he was telling me that the #32 ranked Patriots defense was “good” lol

  79. If he had played in the hard-hitting 70’s and 80’s he would have been done in his first game!

  80. I mean to be honest I used to really hate the Yankees and the Canadians…….but then I turned 11 or 12 yrears old and kind of outgrew it.

    It’s not something you can understand. Stamp collectors don’t usually elicit much reaction from their competitors…actually do they even have competitions…shed some light on that for us.

    Tommy is not long for the Pats….i hear the crying the gnashing of teeth. I am prepared i bought stock in tissues, diapers and dental supplies.

  81. Its amazing how the haters keep citing “facts” that couldn’t be further from the truth. The taping, of practices was proven to not be true and the filming of teams signals was not illegal just the position of the camera was wrong. He only destroyed his phone after he was told it wasn’t needed by the NFL, of course the haters prefer to believe the fraudger. His four game suspension was not upheld by a judge, what was upheld was the article 46 which gave the commissioner the right to do what ever the hell he wanted. Last but not least but certainly quite important is the fact that the NFL admitted in court that they had no evidence of any intentional cheating by the Patriots. We have discovered however that the NFL lacks any ability to understand 8th grade science.

  82. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 16, 2018 at 12:58 pm
    So Tom Brady, the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time, is going to play for another seven years instead of ten more years?

    I can live with that.

    It’s going to be very enjoyable to drink the tears of little fanboys like this Twinkie when Tammy retires. Growing up spoiled by Brady you are totally unprepared for the sorrow you are about to endure………priceless.

    ———-
    Sorrow we are about to endure? Why, did Kraft announce he hired Mike Tomlin?

  83. Sorrow we are about to endure? Why, did Kraft announce he hired Mike Tomlin

    What what a zinger….you must have burned thru two bags of Doritos to compose that retort. Steven Colbert could do better from his casket there fanboy. You must be losing sleep over Tomlin becoming coach when Cheating Bill quits cheatin….life is tough.

  84. Brady will retire the first time the Patriots aren’t in the Super Bowl. He doesn’t have the ambition and drive anymore to be playing for a rebuilding team. Who can blame him? He has nothing left to prove to anyone. He’s accomplished everything that a player can reasonably expect to in his career. He’ll end in up the broadcasting booth for one of the networks or maybe even on Monday Night Football. It’s not a bad way for him to step away from playing.
    ____________________________________________________________________________
    Oh. So Brady is going to the booth post retirement? You know this how? Did he tell you? There is nothing more precious than Brady fanboys who believe they have an intimate connection with him. Homer on, fanboys.

  85. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 16, 2018 at 4:34 pm
    Sorrow we are about to endure? Why, did Kraft announce he hired Mike Tomlin

    What what a zinger….you must have burned thru two bags of Doritos to compose that retort. Steven Colbert could do better from his casket there fanboy. You must be losing sleep over Tomlin becoming coach when Cheating Bill quits cheatin….life is tough.

    ——–

    I will give you the benefit of the doubt and hope you are just a 15 year old poster. If not, I actually feel bad for those around you

  86. Tom Brady*

    *Cheater
    *Suspended by the NFL
    *Knowingly broke the rules
    *Cried for a flag everytime he was touched
    *Tantrum Diva
    *Got rid of teammates that they were a threat to him
    *Validity of 5 SB wins highly questionable.

    There, fixed it for you. Am I lying?

  87. Look these guys in their 30` s talk about mid 40` s and it’s the eye opening monotony of what another freaking training camp? And that’s if your healthy.
    Kids family other commitments?
    All I know is from a pure winning stand point, and ive seen em all since the 50`s, he is the goat.

  88. The same people that hate the GOAT #12 are the same ones that were traumatized election night !

  89. You had a glorious career. One of the greatest to ever play.i don’t think you cheated. But made a bad choice. Its time to call it a career. All good things come to a end

  90. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 16, 2018 at 3:43 pm
    Steelers have never experienced it. Three short period spread out over several decades is a long way from 16 years of constant. Its not even unusual. Lots of teams have risen for short stretches of greatness, some more than others, but none have managed sustain it. Thats only the Patriots.

    I guess it easier to win with three different coaches and QB’s than to win with just one coach and Qb….really…..you must be a really tough kid for your teachers to reach….priceless.

    ——————
    It was you yourself that tried to decribe those three fleeting moments as a single stretch of success because you are jealous of it and trying to come up with a way to claim the Steelers did a better one. But that argument fell apart on you. Now you are trying to repackage those three fleeting moments as a feat bigger than sustained success, the thing that Pittsburg just cant seem to do. But if you really believec that you would not have led with your first story. And if you didnt kniw your first sotry had fallen apart you would not have tried to float this one. And in any event it doesn’t matter because the real question is whether you can get by the Jags this year. Can you? How about KC? And Tennesee is going to be a lot better too. If you didnt have Browns, Bengals, and Ravens in your division you would even have to be worrying about the playoffs.

  91. Love all the basement HATERZZZZ. Trying to predict when the GOAT TB-12 will retire, and what will become of PATS NATION !! When he retires this Pats fan will not cry as the GOAT TB-12 has given us 2 decades of dominance. I will thank him for all he’s done, and wish him well as we rebuild.

  92. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 16, 2018 at 4:34 pm
    Sorrow we are about to endure? Why, did Kraft announce he hired Mike Tomlin

    What what a zinger
    ————————
    Yeah it was pretty good.

  93. . If you didnt have Browns, Bengals, and Ravens in your division you would even have to be worrying about the playoffs.

    Says the fan of a team playing the Jets Bills and Phins….you just revealed what a homer you are. The last team other than the pats to go to a super bowl from that group of cream puffs was the Phins……about 30 years before you were born…..you are as obtuse as the argument you can support…..nice try but fake Patriot B>S>

  94. Nofoolnodrool says:

    It’s not something you can understand. Stamp collectors don’t usually elicit much reaction from their competitors…actually do they even have competitions…shed some light on that for us.
    —————————————————————

    You make no sense

    Go Pats

  95. Have you read his book and read about the TB12 method? It’s literally working out with body weight and resistance bands, with some messages a few times a week.

    ___

    Look up Drew Brees and TRX…..same kind of stuff. QB’s dont need to be bulky, they need more long lean muscles. Theres a reason hes still playing well this late in his career too.

  96. whywerule says:
    June 16, 2018 at 2:45 pm
    denverscott says:
    June 16, 2018 at 2:35 pm
    …………………………..
    It’s called stat padding. You know, the term you pats fans incessantly harped on PM for when he signed with Denver? Ooooh,505 yards in a SB… that he LOST. Stat padding pure and simple.
    ————————————————————————
    Yup, Tom Brady leading the Patriots to 12 AFC Championships, 8 Super Bowl appearances, and 5 Super Bowl wins, is absolutely stat padding; the kind of stat padding that any football fan would love to see out of their team’s QB. If he retires in 2 seasons, let us all hope he has stat padded his way to 10 Super Bowl starts as the Pats QB.

    I am certain that Peyton Manning fans everywhere equally enjoyed Peyton’s stat padding of a record 9 times one and done. And then, of course, there was Peyton’s Ooooh year of 2013 where he stat padded his way to 55 TD passes in the regular season, and a 43-8 loss in the Super Bowl.

    —————-

    Yet Brady is still 1-3 against Peyton in the biggest games they played, the AFCC games including the one in 2013. What does that say about Brady?

  97. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 16, 2018 at 6:29 pm
    . If you didnt have Browns, Bengals, and Ravens in your division you would even have to be worrying about the playoffs.

    Says the fan of a team playing the Jets Bills and Phins….you just revealed what a homer you are. The last team other than the pats to go to a super bowl from that group of cream puffs was the Phins……about 30 years before you were born…..you are as obtuse as the argument you can support…..nice try but fake Patriot B>S>

    ————————
    Who cares about 30 years ago, we are talking anout current times. Because the Dolphins, Bills, and Jets were 22-26 last year while the Bengals, Ravens, and Browns were 15-32 I think I can talk plenty about your creampuff division. Heck, one one the Dolphins wins was against the Steelers even so maybe they are tougher than you suggest, or are the Steelers losing to creampuffs? Its one or the other.

    You dodged my question whether the Steelers can get by the Jags this year. I suppose that’s a no then.

  98. Yet Brady is still 1-3 against Peyton in the biggest games they played, the AFCC games including the one in 2013. What does that say about Brady?

    It says nothing, they are not on the field at the same time.

    How about how they did vs common teams
    Try the SB, Manning was embarrassing vs the Seahawks
    Brady destroyed that D
    And won

  99. It’s so funny the crybabies try and say they are not jealous of the Patriots

    But look at all the negative comments about Brady or the Patriots on this article it reeeeeeeeks of jealously

    If the headlines read the same but was any other QB name there may be 25 comments
    But it’s about Brady/Patriots and the jealous crybabies come running

  100. Who cares about 30 years ago, we are talking anout current times. Because the Dolphins, Bills, and Jets were 22-26 last year while the Bengals, Ravens, and Browns were 15-32 I think I can talk plenty about your creampuff division. Heck, one one the Dolphins wins was against the Steelers even so maybe they are tougher than you suggest, or are the Steelers losing to creampuffs? Its one or the other.

    You dodged my question whether the Steelers can get by the Jags this year. I suppose that’s a no then.

    0

    So when the facts don’t support your spin you think it’s cool to change the time frame to support the spin….typical Pat fanboy. Where did the Jags all of a sudden enter the argument…..oh you are trying to rub in a loss…sophisticated diversion for the school bus….face the facts you are a stone cold homer that’s about to switch teams when Brady leaves…..a front runner…..a loser.

  101. I know most here are trolls / dont understand the game. But you all understand AT THE TIME Jimmy G was going to be a Free Agent and get huge money, as he eventually did. While Brady was playing at an elite level and going to and winning multiple super bowls and winning MVPs. Should the Pats have traded Brady, less money and a sure thing for another 2-3 years, or possible potential and a lot more money? Pats made the right choice, just bad timing with the expiring contracts, and they could’ve got a little more for Jimmy G.

  102. Flash1287 says:
    June 16, 2018 at 7:51 pm
    Yet Brady is still 1-3 against Peyton in the biggest games they played, the AFCC games including the one in 2013. What does that say about Brady?

    It says nothing, they are not on the field at the same time.

    How about how they did vs common teams
    Try the SB, Manning was embarrassing vs the Seahawks
    Brady destroyed that D
    And won

    ———–

    Common teams in two different seasons? There is no such thing. The fact is Manning had to score more points than Brady to win their matchup and vice versa.

  103. Any team in the NFC West would easily win the AFC East if they traded spots with the Patriots. Cupcake division

  104. PresidentTrumpIsRightRespectYourCountryAndFlag says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:21 am
    Greatest system QB ever!

    I don’t know which is a dumber statement; calling Brady a system QB or supporting a guy in office that tweets out support of “men” who openly support white supremacists. Look up Corey Stewart if you don’t believe me. You trump supporters can’t claim to not be racist anymore

  105. Ted Murph, great post, sir. Brady was drafted as a catcher by the Expos and he’s a scratch golfer and they call him unathletic.

    Years ago I was fortunate enough to play UM’s golf course and Brady was one of the guys in the clubhouse. Even then he struck me as a go getter, respectful and hard working.

    Envy is an ugly emotion.

  106. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 16, 2018 at 8:16 pm
    Who cares about 30 years ago, we are talking anout current times. Because the Dolphins, Bills, and Jets were 22-26 last year while the Bengals, Ravens, and Browns were 15-32 I think I can talk plenty about your creampuff division. Heck, one one the Dolphins wins was against the Steelers even so maybe they are tougher than you suggest, or are the Steelers losing to creampuffs? Its one or the other.

    You dodged my question whether the Steelers can get by the Jags this year. I suppose that’s a no then.

    0

    So when the facts don’t support your spin you think it’s cool to change the time frame to support the spin….typical Pat fanboy. Where did the Jags all of a sudden enter the argument…..oh you are trying to rub in a loss…sophisticated diversion for the school bus….face the facts you are a stone cold homer that’s about to switch teams when Brady leaves…..a front runner…..a loser.

    ——————
    Well as far as me saying how the teams play in the present being more meaningful to how tough the division is in the present than how they might have played 30 years ago, yeah. I do say that. As far as trying to pick convenient time frames thats you not me thats trying to use numbers from 30 years ago to support your narrative about how things are the present.

    And I bring up the Jags because thats the team the Steelers sit behind. What you call ‘a loss’ was actually a mid round exit. If you count all the mouth running by Steelers fans then its a humiliating one too. And since the Steelers are unable to get by the Jags its ridiculous for any of their fans to still be obsessing on the Patriots. The Steelers are even looking over their shoulder at the Chiefs and Titans these days. Heck, they might have to worry about the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins. Again.

  107. Patriot way rules: I’ll tell you what happens to “patriot nation” when Brady retires; your fan base will be cut in half and the message boards won’t have people like you linking every FA to the patriots anymore

  108. isithockeyseasonyet says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:27 pm
    Patriot way rules: I’ll tell you what happens to “patriot nation” when Brady retires; your fan base will be cut in half and the message boards won’t have people like you linking every FA to the patriots anymore

    ————————
    The Patriots fans in YOUR city might switch allegence, but the New England base has been loyal for decades through the good and the bad. Nothing really changes for them.

  109. Yet Brady is still 1-3 against Peyton in the biggest games they played, the AFCC games including the one in 2013. What does that say about Brady?

    ——-

    Actually it says nothing about Brady. Where was Manning the other 7 times Brady won the AFCCG? I’ll tell you – Home . After getting eliminated in the first round most likely.

  110. stubborndata says:
    June 16, 2018 at 1:46 pm
    Ever since it was revealed that Tom is a filthy fan of Donald Trump, his career has been in a tailspin. No coincidence, to be honest.

    I understand you have been under really bad trauma since election night will some NFL help you cross that bridge to physical and mental health ?

  111. jimmylikesthat says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:23 am
    If he’s on HGH why isn’t his forehead enormous like that former QB in all the commercials?

    Because Brady payed for hair plugs, come on man he was balding in his mid 20’s then all the sudden he comes back looking like justin bieber lmao. He may not have taken HGH but he damn sure paid for hair implants.

  112. stubborndata says:
    June 16, 2018 at 1:46 pm
    Ever since it was revealed that Tom is a filthy fan of Donald Trump, his career has been in a tailspin. No coincidence, to be honest.

    —————————
    You might not have realized Brady’s career rides on football games won not on his political views. And to that end he has gone to the Superbowl every year since the day he got sighted with that hat. I think by tailspin you mean he has been spiraling upwards and from your angle you can only see his tail. Trump mght be getting into your head a little too much too if that angle was all you have been able to think about. Try relaxing, letting all that stuff go, and enjoying some football. Its really refreshing.

  113. Zero rings, zero championship games and zero playoffs without cheating. Take away the cheating and Tammy is just another dink n dunk dime a dozen system QB. Cold. Hard. Facts.

  114. It is remarkable how sensitive and defensive Patriots fans are, especially of their Precious Tom. Do you think he cares that people say bad things about him? Do you think he cares that you defend him? Too funny

    I’m a Seahawks fan. There are endless dumb things people say to put down my favorite team, or the players. Never do I feel the need to argue with the people who make such comments; in fact, I laugh at the better jokes, even ones made on false premises. I don’t feel personally insulted if someone makes fun of Russell Wilson, or claims that Pete Carroll is a cheater (Pete rhymes with cheat, it must be true!! Duhhh). It has zero effect on my life or my self-image.

    Geez, now that I think about it, I feel pretty sad for you Patties. Buck up, little campers! Things are gonna be al-right.

  115. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    June 16, 2018 at 7:32 pm
    —————————
    Yet Brady is still 1-3 against Peyton in the biggest games they played, the AFCC games including the one in 2013. What does that say about Brady?
    —————————————————————

    One thing it says, not exactly about Tom Brady, the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time, or Peyton Manning, arguably among the top five QBs of all-time, is that Tom Brady teams always played tougher regular season schedules than Peyton Manning teams as the home team won all of those AFC Championship games (in the Colts** case, with help from piped in noise and AC adjustments).

    And, frankly, given that the Pats have had a bulls-eye on their backs for almost 20 years that is not surprising. Every team that plays the Pats in a season, circles that game as their Super Bowl. At least since 2003, and maybe 2001, the Pats have always been the team to beat. Teams certainly respected Manning, but the bulls-eye treatment is not something Peyton Manning teams ever faced 16 regular season games per year.

    Fair enough, we true Pats fans love being the team to beat year in, and year out.

    You would know all that if you were, you know, a Pats fan instead of a Jets fan.

  116. “When the police found a roomful of stuff at the Eagles training camp a few years ago, the story got buried quick, party (sic) because of the tragedy of Andy Reid’s son”.

    “Steroids found in the presence of Garrett Reid’s room when he died”.

    Well, was it Garrett Reid’s room or a room at the Eagles training camp? You managed to contradict your own theory, not to mention your total speculation that the Philadelphia police were involved in some cover-up. And you’re the guy who’s supposed to be the big police supporter.

  117. aj66shanghai says:
    June 17, 2018 at 5:20 am
    I’m a Seahawks fan. There are endless dumb things people say to put down my favorite team, or the players. Never do I feel the need to argue with the people who make such comments……

    Geez, now that I think about it, I feel pretty sad for you Patties. Buck up, little campers! Things are gonna be al-right.
    ——————————————-

    Geez, one year dynasty Seahawks fan, you don’t feel the need to argue with people, but you are entirely comfortable referring to at least one opposing fan base with a derogatory name.

    28-24, still hurt bro? Buck up!

  118. drrichardrydze says:
    June 17, 2018 at 2:21 am
    Zero rings, zero championship games and zero playoffs without cheating. Take away the cheating and Tammy is just another dink n dunk dime a dozen system QB. Cold. Hard. Facts.

    —-

    Your argument is literally the exact opposite of “cold hard fact”, but, enjoy.

    We’ll be over here engaging in reality while you ponder your pretend scenarios…

  119. Tom Brady*
    *Cheater
    *Suspended by the NFL
    *Knowingly broke the rules
    *Cried for a flag everytime he was touched
    *Tantrum Diva
    *Got rid of teammates that they were a threat to him
    *Validity of 5 SB wins highly questionable.
    There, fixed it for you. Am I lying?
    _______________________________________________________________________
    Yes I died pretty, you are in fact a liar ! In fact everything that you wrote was untrue !!
    ________________________________________________________________________

    Oh really. Are you serious right now? Pray to God, Pats fanboy, what was untrue? I guess you missed the memo on Prince Tom’s suspension. You are dismissed, Homer!

  120. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    June 16, 2018 at 7:32 pm
    —————————
    Yet Brady is still 1-3 against Peyton in the biggest games they played, the AFCC games including the one in 2013. What does that say about Brady?
    ——
    It says nothing more that’s already been said about the 5 time World Champion, 4 time Super Bowl MVP, reigning and 3 time league MVP, winningest QB in the history of football, and the man who all intelligent football fans consider the greatest QB to ever grace an NFL football field with his presence.

    Any questions or is that clear enough for ya?

    🙂

  121. pointtwopsiistheissue says:
    June 17, 2018 at 3:39 pm
    Tom Brady the GOAT, suspended because the NFL didn’t understand basic physics, and apparently neither does I died pretty!!

    ——-
    He was suspended because certain other owners knew their teams (and by association their fans) are too wussy to put in the work and effort to beat the back to back AFC and 5 time World Champion Patriots so they cried and begged the league to help them do it. And it backfired. Tee hee 🙂

    Still makes me giggle. 🙂

  122. Geez, one year dynasty Seahawks fan, you don’t feel the need to argue with people, but you are entirely comfortable referring to at least one opposing fan base with a derogatory name.

    28-24, still hurt bro? Buck up!

    ********************

    That was a pretty great game. I was hoping for a different outcome, but in no way did it “hurt” me. I was visiting my family and had a pretty good time with them, during and after the game. We got mexican food that night.

    The year before, I was in Beijing and went to a bar full of Broncos fans to see the game. That was fun too. The game ended around noon I think, and it was a bright, sunny day, and not as cold as usual.

    Not sure how “Patties” is derogatory. Condescending, maybe. Nor can I follow the logic that defending one’s team to internet strangers somehow equates to calling someone a name. You do you though, bro.

  123. idiedpretty says:
    June 17, 2018 at 3:08 pm
    Tom Brady*
    *Cheater
    *Suspended by the NFL
    *Knowingly broke the rules
    *Cried for a flag everytime he was touched
    *Tantrum Diva
    *Got rid of teammates that they were a threat to him
    *Validity of 5 SB wins highly questionable.
    There, fixed it for you. Am I lying?
    _______________________________________________________________________
    Yes I died pretty, you are in fact a liar ! In fact everything that you wrote was untrue !!
    ________________________________________________________________________

    Oh really. Are you serious right now? Pray to God, Pats fanboy, what was untrue? I guess you missed the memo on Prince Tom’s suspension. You are dismissed, Homer!

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    The truth is in the middle here guys. Ill give you that his name is Tom Brady you got that oart right. And the NFL did suspend him but not for cheating (court finding was that there was no evidence of tampering in the first place), the suspension was to uphold the commisioners powers to do how he pleased (more on that to come later at the next CBA negotiation). The rest of what you wrote was false. Although your point about the other guy of being a homer because he claimed none of it was true is well taken, you expose your own self as a hater running a narrative when you say all of it was true. The irony in your accusations is that giving false info to back your claims is in itself a form of cheating.

  124. How many articles like this are we going to get? The guy is 40, I think we are all aware that he’s not going to play another 18 years.

  125. walker1191 says:
    June 17, 2018 at 8:32 pm
    How many articles like this are we going to get? The guy is 40, I think we are all aware that he’s not going to play another 18 years.

    ———————
    The Patriots plan for succession was to get a QB this year or next year, next year being the better timing. Assuming they want that QB to have two years of grooming that would mean their current thoughts are that Brady is three more then out. What happens after that is anyones guess drpending on how well things come together with the successor and of course there is the very off chance is Brady is still going freak of nature, but the Pats are better off assuming its three years likely but possibly 2, and very unlikely 4.

  126. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:

    June 16, 2018 at 1:18 pm

    How selfish of Brady to contemplate retirement less than a year after insisting the organization trade the future. Not a good look from him.

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    That doesn’t make any sense. Everyone understands that he’s an older player and even so he’s one who takes great care of himself. He’s got a couple years left, at least, the team understands that. And they have a magic QB “system”, right? Sounds like you still are having trouble making up your mind. Not a good look from you.

  127. denverscott says:

    June 16, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    schwamtek says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:25 am

    It’s called stat padding. You know, the term you pats fans incessantly harped on PM for when he signed with Denver? Ooooh,505 yards in a SB… that he LOST. Stat padding pure and simple.

    ======================

    I guess you missed the part when the stacked Peyton led Denver team got completely smoked in the Super Bowl against Seattle. “Stat padding” only occurs when a team is either way ahead or way behind and the defense stops playing as hard. Neither scenario applies to Brady’s SBs which all were close games. Please learn the term before you use it.

  128. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:

    June 16, 2018 at 9:18 pm

    Flash1287 says:
    June 16, 2018 at 7:51 pm
    Yet Brady is still 1-3 against Peyton in the biggest games they played, the AFCC games including the one in 2013. What does that say about Brady?

    It says nothing, they are not on the field at the same time.

    How about how they did vs common teams
    Try the SB, Manning was embarrassing vs the Seahawks
    Brady destroyed that D
    And won

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    Common teams in two different seasons? There is no such thing. The fact is Manning had to score more points than Brady to win their matchup and vice versa.

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    Brady took more QB hits than any QB in any game during the 2012 season ( 20 total ). He was facing a much tougher defense than Peyton and yet still came pretty close. And that was without Gronk. It was a tough loss against a great Denver team, no shame in that.

    And you points matchup is pretty iffy, as its hard to win a Super Bowl when your QB (Peyton) has 3 turnovers.

  129. So you believe that they suspended Brady & upheld the appeal when they knew for a fact he did nothing wrong? You seriously believe this? Cheaters lie about what they do. Over and over. Until there is concrete evidence and they are caught once and for all. He could have admitted what he did, apologize and did all he could to make amends. But instead he stuck to his lies, let others take the blame, tried to convince people he was railroaded and this upstanding guy who would never. He has no remorse which is why respect is difficult for so many to hold for the talent he does really have. It’s why he’s never going to live it down. Playing stupid would have even been a better choice. He has no idea how many people would have been upset but respected him for being honest and trying to somehow fix what he did. He continued to try to beat the system and fight a battle he had no business in fighting because of what he did. There ended up being more damage to him because of the continued lies and lack of any remorse. He could be the greatest guy in the world but the second he committed a wrong he had to own it when caught. He didn’t. He still hasn’t. He never will. He blew his own reputation and list a lot because of it. He doesn’t have to care so he doesn’t. That’s the arrogance. I get standing by your team but not when they do things they have been clearly caught doing and is wrong on so many levels

  130. Lifetime Ban For Kneelers says:
    June 16, 2018 at 9:34 am
    The Cheating window was finally slammed shut, locked, and plywood covered by Nick Foles.
    Slinker away and good riddance…..the game will be more credible without you….and BB…and shady Bobby Kraft
    =====================
    It’s funny that fans actually believe this. As long as the current fraud is running the show that will never be the case.

  131. @dynastypolice
    That’s a lotta words with no real argument. Where are the PSI logs when the promised league transparency? Why were Goodells Attys caught needlessly Lying in court and to the public? Why were other teams “caught “ with low PSI not punished? Why did all scientific outlets of note who weren’t paid by NFL disagree with Exponent/Wells? I’ll save you time. Because the NFL is terrible at running investigations. Proven time and time again, indisputably so.

  132. bradjames33160 says:
    June 18, 2018 at 12:17 pm
    while the 49ers regain their 80’s form, the Patriots will too. Isn’t it funny how these things go?
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    80’s Pats were actually half decent. Only a few under .500 seasons that decade

  133. Mark Brunell-retired at 41
    Earl Morall-retired at 42
    Doug Flutie-retired at 43
    Vinny Testaverda-retired at 44
    Warren Moon-retired at 44
    George Blanda-retired at age 48
    And of course Brett Favre and Peyton Manning (who actually may be a cheater, unless we believe his wife needed HGH)

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    point taken but none of those guys were 16 game starters like Brady. Brunell and most of those guys held a clipboard at the end.

  134. Gordie Howe played NHL hockey until the age of 51. If he can do it then Brady can play until he’s 45. And don’t insult me and millions of hockey fans by saying that NFL football is tougher. Ever been checked into the boards by a big guy skating at full speed? Believe me, it hurts!

  135. dynastypolice says:
    June 18, 2018 at 5:06 pm
    So you believe that they suspended Brady & upheld the appeal when they knew for a fact he did nothing wrong? You seriously believe this? Cheaters lie about what they do. Over and over. Until there is concrete evidence and they are caught once and for all. He could have admitted what he did, apologize and did all he could to make amends. But instead he stuck to his lies, let others take the blame, tried to convince people he was railroaded and this upstanding guy who would never. He has no remorse which is why respect is difficult for so many to hold for the talent he does really have. It’s why he’s never going to live it down. Playing stupid would have even been a better choice. He has no idea how many people would have been upset but respected him for being honest and trying to somehow fix what he did. He continued to try to beat the system and fight a battle he had no business in fighting because of what he did. There ended up being more damage to him because of the continued lies and lack of any remorse. He could be the greatest guy in the world but the second he committed a wrong he had to own it when caught. He didn’t. He still hasn’t. He never will. He blew his own reputation and list a lot because of it. He doesn’t have to care so he doesn’t. That’s the arrogance. I get standing by your team but not when they do things they have been clearly caught doing and is wrong on so many levels

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    They absolutely suspended Brady with full knowledge he did noting wrong. They even took it to court to establish they had the authority to do that. The reason for doing that had nothing to do with Brady ir anyones guilt or innocence, it was to uphold that the CBA granted such powers to the commisioner. They know thats wrongand that they used them wrong but that was their point. Because now this issue is a bargaining chip for the next CBA. In the end they want out from under liability for long term health issues (expensive costs against the bottom line) and they want bigger chunks of the pie coming with the new revenue sources they are developing. All the guys jumping around with their petty sports hate are simply helping Goodell position himself to get a better deal for the owners, which is in fact his job.

    Its established fact that there was zero evidence of any tampering in the first place. As much as guys trying to cling to a cheating claim like to say Brady failed to cooperate, the fact is there was never anything to cooperate on. There is no info for him to give up on how it did happen if it didn’t happen. Its like if the cops came to your house and demanded you speak to how you robbed the bank down the street and the whole thing is news to you. What can you say? And especially if it later comes out that they cant establish that there is any money missing, and there is no info of a robbery ever happening. Yet the cops are still saying you must be guilty because you did’t provide your info on it. Thats how ridiculous the claims against Brady are.

  136. Its established fact that there was zero evidence of any tampering in the first place. As much as guys trying to cling to a cheating claim like to say Brady failed to cooperate, the fact is there was never anything to cooperate on. There is no info for him to give up on how it did happen if it didn’t happen. Its like if the cops came to your house and demanded you speak to how you robbed the bank down the street and the whole thing is news to you. What can you say? And especially if it later comes out that they cant establish that there is any money missing, and there is no info of a robbery ever happening. Yet the cops are still saying you must be guilty because you did’t provide your info on it. Thats how ridiculous the claims against Brady are.
    ======================================================

    And that explains the ‘deflater’ nickname, the destruction of evidence….the ‘judge’ being at the Hamptons celebrating after being paid off by RK…etc.?

    Come on now, we know you don’t believe a word you’re saying here sport. And you don’t even need to protect the Pats,,why? You’re a victim as much and everyone else by what they’ve done. You’ve invested your valuable time and $ being a fan and supporting them and now they’ve spit in your face out of greed and total disregard for the integrity of the sport. Now their legacy is everyone’s first thought and words moving forward about the Pats will be they cheated and nothing under BB counts in public opinion.

  137. dynastypolice says:

    June 19, 2018 at 1:07 pm

    Its established fact that there was zero evidence of any tampering in the first place. As much as guys trying to cling to a cheating claim like to say Brady failed to cooperate, the fact is there was never anything to cooperate on. There is no info for him to give up on how it did happen if it didn’t happen. Its like if the cops came to your house and demanded you speak to how you robbed the bank down the street and the whole thing is news to you. What can you say? And especially if it later comes out that they cant establish that there is any money missing, and there is no info of a robbery ever happening. Yet the cops are still saying you must be guilty because you did’t provide your info on it. Thats how ridiculous the claims against Brady are.
    ======================================================

    And that explains the ‘deflater’ nickname, the destruction of evidence….the ‘judge’ being at the Hamptons celebrating after being paid off by RK…etc.?

    Come on now, we know you don’t believe a word you’re saying here sport. And you don’t even need to protect the Pats,,why? You’re a victim as much and everyone else by what they’ve done. You’ve invested your valuable time and $ being a fan and supporting them and now they’ve spit in your face out of greed and total disregard for the integrity of the sport. Now their legacy is everyone’s first thought and words moving forward about the Pats will be they cheated and nothing under BB counts in public opinion.

    =====================================================

    Uh, its not illegal to deflate footballs, its only illegal to do it after ref inspection. The nickname is irrelevant. And what “destruction” of evidence? NFL said they didn’t need phone, and Brady provided all electronic data they asked for. He had serious privacy concerns, as proven by the his private emails being leaked (why do we know what pool cover he prefers?). If your concerned about “evidence”, of which the NFL has ZERO subpoena power over, why did the NFL refuse equal discovery for Brady’s side? Why did Goodell continually lie about Wells’ independence (proven by NFL being allowed to edit the report and by Wells’ colleague, Lorin Reisner, representing the NFL at the appeal)? It makes no sense. And you never address the mysteriously missing PSI logs that Goodell has stowed away. Do you honestly believe that if they helped the NFL’s $20million case, they would have released it?

    Who cares about where the judge attended a party? Your steadfast refusal to deal in the facts of the case is telling, sport.

  138. dynastypolice says:
    June 19, 2018 at 1:07 pm
    Its established fact that there was zero evidence of any tampering in the first place. As much as guys trying to cling to a cheating claim like to say Brady failed to cooperate, the fact is there was never anything to cooperate on. There is no info for him to give up on how it did happen if it didn’t happen. Its like if the cops came to your house and demanded you speak to how you robbed the bank down the street and the whole thing is news to you. What can you say? And especially if it later comes out that they cant establish that there is any money missing, and there is no info of a robbery ever happening. Yet the cops are still saying you must be guilty because you did’t provide your info on it. Thats how ridiculous the claims against Brady are.
    ======================================================

    And that explains the ‘deflater’ nickname, the destruction of evidence….the ‘judge’ being at the Hamptons celebrating after being paid off by RK…etc.?

    ———————
    Thanks for bringing those up as they are perfect examples of how you are basing your claims on false information. There is no one with the nickname of the deflator. That word was used in a single time in a single text that was in Bird’s (that was McNallys nickname not deflator) that was written way back before this person started working with the team and therfore long before he ever had access to game balls. It was blown completely out of context by people needing a way to make something out of nothing. But dont take my word for this look it up.

    And your claim Kraft paid off the judge is entirely your own fabrication based on no edidence (seems to be a common theme huh?). Not based on nothing was the judges ruling with went into great detail touching on all the applicable points of law and what parts of the testimony supported his finding that there was no evidrnce of tampering in the first place. (Read the finding with its 18 pages of points that supported it and you can see all this). Most telling of those as when he asked both Goodell and Pash if they had any evidence at all to support a claim that tampering had taken place and both had to admit that they had none. (Read the transcript and you can see all of this)

    Also vacking the judge’s finding is Goodell himself, he had to in order to take his next step. In his appeal he stipulated Brady’s innocence with his claim that it did not preclude him from suspending anyhow because the CBA said he could. That was the real end game here. Thats what turned this into something the NFLPA needs to desperately negotiate back next time around, which means they will be forced to give up concessions. The fact Brady was innocent actually helps Goodell for how it illustrates the sheer depth of power the current CBA granted him.

    So really you are just tossing random accusations that you cant back, but in answer I have cited back to you real evidence that you can eadily look up and see as to why you are mistaken.

  139. @Tortellini genie says:
    June 19, 2018 at 2:09 pm

    So the text messages with the equipment guys don’t count, correct? He cheated and was punished, this speaks for itself. Of course as a Pats fan, you’ll argue regardless, but as I said, it’s your your fault what they’ve done, you’re a victim…no fan deserves this. Tell me, what other fan base on these sites is in perpetual defense mode about there team cheating…wait, let me answer..that would be none. Good luck.

  140. dynastypolice says:
    June 19, 2018 at 3:29 pm
    @Tortellini genie says:
    June 19, 2018 at 2:09 pm

    So the text messages with the equipment guys don’t count, correct? He cheated and was punished, this speaks for itself. Of course as a Pats fan, you’ll argue regardless, but as I said, it’s your your fault what they’ve done, you’re a victim…no fan deserves this. Tell me, what other fan base on these sites is in perpetual defense mode about there team cheating…wait, let me answer..that would be none. Good luck.

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    As I told you above that single text using that word one time was before he started working with the team. Also lets add that this was not a text between him and Brady. That fact has nothing to do with who is a fan of what team, its just the truth and its verifiable if you cared to look it up. Your attempt to make it sound like it was some ongoing back and forth with Brady is utter nonsense. You can make up all the stuff you want but thats just meaningless fantasies from a hater. I have cited my facts and their sources for for them that you can look up and verify. In response you keep just making up stuff and try saying it means something. You say you cant argue with a Pats fan, and thats true if you are just making up obvious lies. You cant. Likewise no one can reason with a hater so short on integrity that he would argue that chickens have lips if it supported his narrative. Ive cited my sources, why cant you?

  141. 10. The text exchange Jastremski had with an unknown person regarding Brady being angry about the footballs he was using.
    John Jastremski: Tom is acting crazy about balls
    John Jastremski: Ready to vomit!
    Unknown: K
    Unknown: He saying there not good enough??
    John Jastremski: Tell later

  142. 8. The text in which McNally says he’s going to get revenge on Tom by inflating the balls so much that they become “f…..n balloon[s].”
    McNally: Tom sucks…im going make that next ball a f…..n balloon

  143. Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker
    McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week
    5. The text in which an angry McNally says “The only thing deflating [on Sunday]… is [Tom Brady’s] passing rating.”
    McNally: The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating
    4. The exchange in which McNally literally refers to himself as “the deflator.”
    McNally: You working
    Jastremski: Yup
    McNally: Nice dude….jimmy needs some kicks….lets make a deal…..come on help the deflator
    3. And then makes a joke about letting the world know about whatever they’re doing.
    McNally: Chill buddy im just f….n with you ….im not going to espn……..yet
    2. The text exchange between Brady and Jastremski in which Brady tried to calm Jastremski after people started whispering about deflategate.
    Brady: “You good Jonny boy?”

    Brady: “You doing good?”

    Jastremski: “Still nervous; so far so good though”
    1. The text Jastremski sent Brady just hours after he clicked on a NBC Sports Pro Football Talk about the “deflategate” controversy.
    Jastremski: Call me when you get a second

  144. @dynastypolice

    And where are the PSI logs after Goodell promised transparency?

    Why no punishment for teams since 2014 that either have had low PSI or have admitted to tampering with footballs?

  145. @dynastypolice

    By “speaking for themselves”, they certainly don’t say anything about any post ref inspection PSI related rule breaking. Indisputable.

    You haven’t answered any of my questions and you went on at length about the texts with no actual hard evidence. And that’s aside from the problems with the science and the NFL’s public lying and massive conflicts of interest. I think its time you moved on.

  146. What a die hard you are, and for what? They speak for themselves in that they couldn’t be any more obvious short of a copious confession. The texts are the evidence, and blaming the NFL or anyone else won’t change a thing. Just Stop!

  147. dynastypolice says:

    June 21, 2018 at 12:30 pm

    What a die hard you are, and for what? They speak for themselves in that they couldn’t be any more obvious short of a copious confession. The texts are the evidence, and blaming the NFL or anyone else won’t change a thing. Just Stop!

    ======================

    Another non answer. “Speak for themselves” doesn’t mean anything when the texts say nothing about rule breaking. There is no rule against preparing footballs before a game. You conveniently omitted the context of the illegally over inflated footballs by the referees in the Jets game which explains a lot. And its furthered by the illegal over-inflation of footballs during halftime in the ’14 AFCC game by the same officials who kicked off Deflategate in the first place. Its comical how dumb they were.

    And you have nothing to say about the junk science and the lying to the court and the public. You chose to avoid a ton of questionable actions by the NFL. It takes a more vivid imagination to believe in Deflategate than to disbelieve it. The facts of the case and the laws of nature just don’t give it any credibility.

    And what a Goodell die hard you are, and for what? He has bungled just about every league investigation he has laid hands on. His track record is horrendous. He doesn’t throw touchdowns, he has no personality, he doesn’t care about due process, he doesn’t care about player safety, he doesn’t care about honesty and yet people still back him. Its just …. weird.

  148. Well at least one person agrees with you, and that would be you. You are a Pats fan. The vivid imagination is to interpret the texts as anything else but the obvious, they specifically reference deflating footballs and being nervous about being caught. I know you don’t believe what you’re saying, so will leave it at that….just Stop already, you look ridiculous.

  149. @dynastypolice

    Non answer again. Which text actually says they were “nervous about being caught”. I’ll save you time. Zero. They were “nervous” because Brady was furious about the illegally overinflated footballs from the Jets game. Either the equip guys handed over underinflated balls or the refs mis-measured them, either way, the refs illegally over-inflated them and Brady could tell the difference and blamed the equipment guys who in turn were mad because they thought it was the referees fault. Read the Wells report and how it was analyzed.

    And the balls ended up at all different PSI’s so how in the world would that help Brady if every ball was different? If those guys were so “nervous”, why would they have done such a terrible job at putting the footballs at the right PSI? And the science doesn’t add up.

    You still have no response, you just spill the same opinions with no supporting evidence. No response to the public lying, conflicts of interest, debunked science, etc. I don’t want to keep eating your lunch, but you keep handing it to me.

  150. The texts are right there in black and white. They (including Brady) were nervous when it started blowing up in the news. Again, I get it…you’re a Pats fan, correct? There is no debate here, you’ve presented spin to suit your narrative while I’ve provided concrete facts in black and white herein. Neither of us will ever agree with the other, so there is no point in continuing here. Go ahead with your next blurbage that you yourself do not even believe in the name of your beloved Pats, because you need the last word. Believe me, I wish this wasn’t the case, I’m a huge Brady fan as we attended the same high school…and now I no longer have bragging rights without being shot down….just like you are on these sites. All your pre-fabbed arguments are from much practice dealing with this sad truth, and will always be the case moving forward. Is it worth it for you? Think about it…you’ll be okay, it’s not like you’re on the team or paid by them, right?

  151. It doesn’t really matter, the truth keeps marching on whether you believe it or not. There is no hard evidence of tampering after ref inspection in the texts and the science doesn’t support it. Its not like gravity would stop applying if you just decided not to believe in it.

    Still no answers to any of my questions. Attempting to answer them would be a little more productive.

    Its sad that you place so much faith in Goodell. Lots of CTE ridden players would have appreciated it if he hadn’t suppressed concussion research or if he hadn’t help hide $130 million from the shared revenue pool with players. And the legal system would have appreciated he not have perjured himself in court TWICE (once in Rice case, once in Brady case).

  152. dynastypolice says:
    June 18, 2018 at 5:06 pm
    So you believe that they suspended Brady & upheld the appeal when they knew for a fact he did nothing wrong? You seriously believe this? Cheaters lie about what they do. Over and over. Until there is concrete evidence and they are caught once and for all. He could have admitted what he did, apologize and did all he could to make amends. But instead he stuck to his lies, let others take the blame, tried to convince people he was railroaded and this upstanding guy who would never. He has no remorse which is why respect is difficult for so many to hold for the talent he does really have. It’s why he’s never going to live it down. Playing stupid would have even been a better choice. He has no idea how many people would have been upset but respected him for being honest and trying to somehow fix what he did. He continued to try to beat the system and fight a battle he had no business in fighting because of what he did. There ended up being more damage to him because of the continued lies and lack of any remorse. He could be the greatest guy in the world but the second he committed a wrong he had to own it when caught. He didn’t. He still hasn’t. He never will. He blew his own reputation and list a lot because of it. He doesn’t have to care so he doesn’t. That’s the arrogance. I get standing by your team but not when they do things they have been clearly caught doing and is wrong on so many levels
    ============================
    Nash: “Is there a text in which Mr. Brady instructs someone to put a needle in a football? No there is not such direct evidence.”

    Berman: “What is the evidence of a scheme or conspiracy that covers the Jan. 15 game? I’m having trouble finding it.”

  153. dynastypolice says:
    June 19, 2018 at 4:40 pm
    2. The text exchange between Brady and Jastremski in which Brady tried to calm Jastremski after people started whispering about deflategate.
    Brady: “You good Jonny boy?”

    Brady: “You doing good?”

    Jastremski: “Still nervous; so far so good though”
    1. The text Jastremski sent Brady just hours after he clicked on a NBC Sports Pro Football Talk about the “deflategate” controversy.
    Jastremski: Call me when you get a second
    =====================
    This was between the AFCCG and the SB. The same conversation Brady admitted to having that Goodell lied about never taking place.

  154. It’s laughable to point to the texts as the golden goose for culpability. Granted the NFL was forced to do the exact same thing when science failed them but at least they had Article 46 to fall back on. Which is to say the NFL won the right to discipline players regardless of evidentiary support. It would have simply better to admit that than to ask intelligent people to believe the evidence proved anything relating to the Deflategate suspension.

  155. dynastypolice says:
    June 21, 2018 at 2:48 pm
    The texts are right there in black and white. They (including Brady) were nervous when it started blowing up in the news. Again, I get it…you’re a Pats fan, correct? There is no debate here, you’ve presented spin to suit your narrative while I’ve provided concrete facts in black and white herein. Neither of us will ever agree with the other, so there is no point in continuing here. Go ahead with your next blurbage that you yourself do not even believe in the name of your beloved Pats, because you need the last word. Believe me, I wish this wasn’t the case, I’m a huge Brady fan as we attended the same high school…and now I no longer have bragging rights without being shot down….just like you are on these sites. All your pre-fabbed arguments are from much practice dealing with this sad truth, and will always be the case moving forward. Is it worth it for you? Think about it…you’ll be okay, it’s not like you’re on the team or paid by them, right?
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    Translation … sniff

  156. Translation: The evidence speaks for itself or there would have been no punishment, case closed. Pats fans are like those who still think the election was fixed by the Russians….hey there’s a thought…the Russians must have framed Brady, ya that’s it, lets throw that in there as well. Grow up already, and stop making excuses for the reality of what happened. Living in the past is an exercise in futility, don’t you think? Move on.

  157. dynastypolice says:
    June 21, 2018 at 5:37 pm
    Translation: The evidence speaks for itself or there would have been no punishment, case closed. Pats fans are like those who still think the election was fixed by the Russians….hey there’s a thought…the Russians must have framed Brady, ya that’s it, lets throw that in there as well. Grow up already, and stop making excuses for the reality of what happened. Living in the past is an exercise in futility, don’t you think? Move on.
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    And yet the NFL spent $5+ million in a failed attempt to use science to support the texts. Why do you suppose that is? Why bother if the texts were enough? We get it’s enough for you (anything beyond the texts is enough for you). Just don’t get bent when others call you out on it. I don’t have any problems living in the past. I wear it like a warm blanket. It would seem you do as well. Otherwise you wouldn’t still be posting on a frame job that was resolved years ago.

  158. dynastypolice says:
    June 21, 2018 at 5:37 pm
    Translation: The evidence speaks for itself or there would have been no punishment, case closed. Pats fans are like those who still think the election was fixed by the Russians….hey there’s a thought…the Russians must have framed Brady, ya that’s it, lets throw that in there as well. Grow up already, and stop making excuses for the reality of what happened. Living in the past is an exercise in futility, don’t you think? Move on.

    =============

    The evidence you cited doesn’t say anything relating to the rule the supposedly broke ( altering footballs after inspection), your argument continually dies on that vine. The Russian thing is just weird, your exposing your conspiracy thinking there. The only true leg the NFLs argument stood on in the courts was article 46. It wasn’t the facts of the case. That’s not an opinion, that is public record. Move on, indeed.

  159. Sorry Chill, he was found guilty and punished, accept it. None of you’re ‘Pats fan canned answers’ will change that. Anyone reading those texts alone knows this….heck everyone knew OJ was guilty before he was found innocent at trial. Your ridiculous statements about how the texts don’t specifically point to details is all you got, as if they’re supposed to send concise confessions via text? Come on now.
    You wouldn’t be entertaining us here with continued pointless debate if you believed what you were saying. If you knew everything under BB was legit, you wouldn’t waste your time time on these sites trying to fight back, right? You’d just enjoy the success. You spend all your time coming up with pointless arguments because of the endless beating you take from public opinion against your Pats. Listen, this will never end…and the proof will be that none of the Pats under BB will be inducted in the HOF. Question, is Bonds in the MLB HOF? He’s the MLB GOAT, right? And another tid bit for you….Bonds also attended the same HS as me and TB…..must be something in the water at Serra making us cheat!

  160. Again ignoring the debunked science, the public and in-court lies, the conflicts of interest and lack of any communication mentioning tampering after inspection, among many of the issues with the NFL’s case. You’re basing your whole argument on an interpretation which is far from definitive proof. Your refusal to address any of the other issues is a LOUD omission.

    And Brady wasn’t found “guilty”, it wasn’t a trial. No matter how badly you want it, the court decision wasn’t based on the facts of the case, it was based on the CBA and the commissioner’s power.

    You’re stating opinions and interpretations, I stated facts.

    And saying Brady and BB won’t be in the HOF is pretty hilarious. Bonds, eh, he probably should be in the HOF. Baseball already has plenty of iffy PED characters in there already. The door was already opened.

  161. Let’s not confuse the issue … all we have are the texts. The basic malfunction here is the “logic” that the texts alone prove culpability and trying to defend it against Pats homerism. The problem isn’t the homerism it’s the logic.

  162. He was punished because he was guilty, now get over your bizarre conspiracy theory’s about the NFL out to get the Pats. If anything, the Pats owe RG a dept of gratitude for helping destroy years of evidence back in ’07 subsequent to the congressional probe. This would have certainly led to a forced sale. Think about it, if Stirling had to sell do to something he said in the privacy of his own home…Pats sale would be a no brainer if all the tapes etc. got out, starting with and before the Rams game.

  163. Uh, you threw out the Russian plot so let’s pipe down about conspiracies. and I never said they were “out to get the Pats”. You made that up.
    I said they are bad at investigations in general.

    And there was no congressional probe over spygate, sorry, that’s a fact. Arlen Specter, the befuddled congressman who complained in the first place, even admitted it wasn’t worth their time.

    And the “destroyed evidence” was shown openly to the media first. So again all dead ends on your part and you still refuse to answer any of the questions about the science of the nfls shady behavior. checkmate…again.

  164. Sorry, all incorrect….more canned Pats Fan answers to what they continue to be hammered with…doesn’t fly. Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt also supported the inquiry. Learn your ‘facts’ Specter said it was unsettling to learn that the tapes, as well as notes, turned over by the Patriots in September had been destroyed in Foxborough, Mass., rather than in the league’s New York offices. Aiello said that the documents and tapes were destroyed after they were reviewed by NFL officials Jeffrey Pash and Ray Anderson and that the call to destroy the material came from Goodell, saying “There’s no further use for it, so he said get rid of it.”
    Specter said the league’s suggestion that the material, particularly the notes dating to the 2002 season, was destroyed because it might have afforded a competitive advantage is unbelievable.
    “Everything has changed,” he said. “Nobody could use those — they are scrap paper — except [as] evidence.”
    With the evidence destroyed, Specter said there is no way to tell what advantage the Patriots might have gained in the illegal taping practice.
    • Specter is particularly concerned about how the taping might have affected New England’s games involving teams from his home state in the 2004 postseason.

  165. “I’m not going to call for hearings because the mood is not right and we’ve got too many other bigger problems to deal with” Arlen Specter, 2008. He spoke up about the topic obviously but no formal congressional investigation actually took place as you suggested.

    And taping signals wasn’t and still isn’t illegal, its the location of the camera that is the focal point of the rule. And the camera location rule wasn’t applied until the offseason after the ’06 season. As for “taping practices”, there wasn’t any evidence of that. The paper who reported it printed both a front and back page retraction, an unprecedented move for a major metro paper. This same paper also got in trouble with a Pats story just this past February by printing a false story about Brady’s atty. Don Yee, which led to another retraction and the reporter being suspended.

    Its funny how you’re retreating from your Deflategate argument by bringing a completely different investigation. And that taken with the NFL’s horrific recent track record on other league investigations (Bountygate, concussion research supression, Bullygate, Ray Rice, Josh Brown, Zeke Elliot, makes it strange that you place so much faith in their abilities.

    And still haven’t addressed any of the questions I brought up.

  166. No retreat, the SG subject was just a point that RG wasn’t targeting the Pats, rather he helped cover for them in that case (regretfully for him, as the sale could have been forced as it should have been). As far as the hearings, the language once again speaks for itself…with the evidence destroyed, hearings would be damaged. We’ve all heard the excuses about both SG and DG, it’s like walking through a prison…all the inmates claim innocence, yet there they are. The only question really is why was TB punished if he was actually innocent? You blame the NFL etc., which sounds like you’re claiming conspiracy. Guilty and punished, nothing else to debate here. Move on.

  167. Ugh now “forced sale “ conspiracieswith no facts or legit responses to what I pointed out….. and no answer for any of my questions. More checkmates for me. No answer still for bad science, perjury, history of bad investigations, conflicts of interest, lying to the public..etc.

  168. “The only question really is why was TB punished if he was actually innocent?“

    The NFL admitted it didn’t understand the physics, and the courts said the decision rested on the CBA language, not facts of the case. Why are the PSI logs still hidden? Why did all of the scientific outlets not paid by NFL debunk the Wells report? Why have teams caught with low PSI or tampering with footballls not been punished since then? Why, in the Goodell era riddled wirh so many poorly run investigations, do you trust his leadership decisions? you are avoiding these basic questions. To avoid these questions is to admit you have no argument.

  169. Incorrect, the evidence was there…texts videos of the act…destruction of evidence, the rest is inconclusive ‘white noise’. Guilty and punished…this has not changed. Again, you have not answered my question, why was TB punished if he was innocent? CBA has nothing to do with it…if he appeared to be innocent, the NFL would have backed down, no? Otherwise what you’re saying is that they knew he was innocent and where out to get him anyway? Make up your mind. Let me help you…you’re a Pats fan and will never admit anything ever. You are white noise in here, and that’s all there is.

  170. Didn’t realize you were still chirping on this one. Still no answer to any of my questions… And you cite hard evidence with the texts, video? Nothing of the sort exists. And there’s no “destruction” of evidence when the NFL has no subpoena power and its not a criminal court proceeding. If you think that the phone is destuction of evidence, what is your answer to the NFL refusing equal discovery of evidence for the Brady side? What were they hiding? If you want “hard evidence”, look at the physics (and the NFL’s admitted ignorance of it) or the NFL’s evasive and dishonest behavior. And the CBA doesn’t matter? I guess you didn’t read any of the court decisions or Goodell and his atty’s own statements on the matter. No “guilt” was admitted or found. It was an assertion of the commissioners power as agreed upon with the CBA, specifically article 46. The entire case, once it went into the court system, hinged on the language in the CBA. You can’t call checkmate when your avoiding every move on the board. You need to have real counterpoints. Your just banging the same drum of bad information.

  171. Oooo – The thumbs up must have really hurt as we’re all laughing at you in here, I guess the Russians must have hacked NBC for the ‘thumbs up gate’now as part of the conspiracy against the Pats…..ooo those naughty naughty Russkis? That’s a special kind of stupid on your part. Your questions are Pats fan canned ‘white noise’ trying to deflect from the evidence/truth. You didn’t answer my question which is this: If the ‘real’ evidence pointed to TB’s innocence, then why would the NFL punish him? With your logic, he is clearly innocent, and the NFL’s refusal, ignorance, evasive, dishonest (your words, did I leave anything out?) must all be of the ‘conspiracy’ to get the Pats (that you deny, yet it’s your words). Checkmate stands, you really need to move already.

  172. “If the ‘real’ evidence pointed to TB’s innocence, then why would the NFL punish him? ”

    Because, as they admitted, they didn’t understand the physics. I’ve actually addressed this many times, you need to pay attention. If they did understand physics, they would have taken better measurements. But they bungled the gauges, the proper location of where to measure them and didn’t record any observations of the state of the footballs or the temperatures they were exposed to. Its not hard. The NFL got in too deep, tried to “science” their way to a real conclusion by hiring a company known for giving the scientific conclusions their clients pay for (ie Exponent actually argued smoking won’t cause cancer for Big Tobacco). The more the NFL spent, the more they dug in and the harder it would be to go back. The NFL even refused outright to correct the Mort tweet for no reason other than PR perception. And the other owners in the NFL, whether by just straight jealousy or misguided anger over Spygate, pushed him on. Its the owners 22mil Goodell was spending, not his own. And above all of that, its about precedent. If Goodell backed down at any point, he knew he’d both take an bad PR hit, and he’d open the door to be challenged by players at every turn (unfortunately for him, that still kind of happened). But if Goodell backed off in court, then players could just sue their way out of any punishment at all. This unmistakably proves Article 46 was the heart of the matter, not PSI. If PSI was, the promised PSI logs would have been released and several teams would have been dinged since then for ball tampering and/or low PSI. If Goodell was so hung up on PSI and ball tampering, why didn’t the Colts get punished? Their PSI was low that AFCC game too AND they ADMITTED to ball tampering with the Patriots footballs. Sticking a needle gauge into a football lets out a tiny bit of air every time, therefor is a MASSIVE breach of the rules and the Colts admitted to doing just that. The Giants did it in 2016 to the Steelers too, who also had low PSI. Why no punishment for either of them? Because Goodell doesn’t care about PSI, he cares about maintaining his power. Fact.

  173. Your imagination is pretty comical. Most of what you state points to your own conspiracy theory once again. NFL trying to fix tests, worried about PR vs the truth, owners are ‘jealous’ etc. Fact – variance in pressure vs Colts balls discovered. Fact – text messages are indisputable – common sense. Fact: Cell was destroyed, no coincidence. Fact – Brady finally being caught doesn’t preclude his being guilty of this since day one. Again the rest of what you state is cherry picked nonsense used to cloud the truth. Nothing under BB is legit and the HOF will reflect this as with the MLB GOAT, Bonds…not in the HOF either for cheating.

    Also, Fact, logging off and on doesn’t allow multiple thumbs up. Therefore Fact – no one in here agrees with you.
    Now go back down to your mother’s basement and play video games.

  174. What conspiracy theory? The NFL admitted it knew nothing of physics and many well respected scientific outlets said the measurements were done terribly. I never said it was a conspiracy, I said they were stupid and prideful. You are the one spouting weird Russian plots. It was pure ignorance, which the NFL openly admitted. You gotta do a little research. And you still haven’t proven the text messages said anything about post ref inspection deflation, its not hard proof, no matter how badly you want it. Its not “fact”. Cell phone destruction? That is a red herring, NFL has no right to private property, and NFL had all of his communications and electronic data anyway which he handed over. He had privacy concerns and obviously they were warranted as his emails were leaked, (why do we know about his pool cover preference?) You’ve offered no counterargument to the science, to the public lying, to the refusal of the NFL to enforce the PSI rule since then, to the terrible track record the NFL has with investigations under Goodell et al. Its not “white noise”. Physics doesn’t stop being true if you don’t believe in it. It goes right on as it always has. I invite you to answer any of those points or again, sadly, your argument continues to die on the vine.

    And the MLB has plenty of PEDers and rule benders in the HOF. Picking out the Bonds example ignores the rest that got in. Again, do a little research.

  175. worried about PR vs the truth

    This one actually made me laugh, tell me again how “independent” Ted Wells was? When the NFL was allowed to edit his “independent” report? When the NFL hired one of his colleagues , Lorin Reisner, at the appeal? When the NFL attys refused to correct the Mort tweet even after Patriots repeatedly asked them too because NFL just didn’t feel like it ? When the NFL put out an article, before the appeal transcript was made public under court order, that Brady wanted the appeal transcript sealed, when in fact, Brady’s side explicitly asked during the appeal that it be made public and the NFL refused and wanted it sealed? When Goodell’s attys lied in court about Brady’s communication with the ball boys (not the first time he’s lied in court, either, he did it in Rice case too)?, When the NFL refused to punish any other team since then that has been found with low PSI (ie 2016 Steelers)? When the NFL refused, after promising transparency, to release the PSI logs? It goes on and on. It was a prideful PR strategy to save face for spending 22million on a mistake.

  176. Saying ‘white noise’ is saying what is the reality of your tactic which ignores the obvious conclusion the texts alone point to. The phone being destroyed at that point is almost as bad if not worse than the texts. This is all common sense, and everyone in here agrees. The fact that OJ was obviously guilty didn’t preclude the defense from stirring up a bunch of their own white noise to deflect from the obvious. I know you hate those texts, but they’re there, and no amount of repeating yourself with your ‘white noise’ will ever make them go away. Your constant blaming the NFL, public lying, they didn’t release logs, they didn’t punish so and so, refused to correct a tweet blah blah blah implies they were out to get Brady – conspiracy ….don’t you hear yourself, it’s what you’re saying, wake up. Guilty and punished. Legacy of cheating and nothing is legit under BB. Accept it, believe it and move on.

  177. I thought it was over a week ago and you re-stoked it with nothing new to add. I don’t agree with you, but good sports chatter. Have a great summer!

  178. Nothing new needed to add, what I’ve stated says it all and TB was punished due to being guilty (not for ANY other reason). It would be a feather in the league’s cap to have found him innocent ….bad optics when star players (especially QBs) are caught cheating and suspended…what other QB has this ever happened too? You’re over analyzing due not wanting to diminish their success (understandable but doesn’t fly).

  179. From the appeal decision, confirming that it wasn’t the facts of the case, but the language of the CBA and labor law that grounded the decision:

    “The basic principle driving both our analysis and our conclusion is well established: a federal court’s review of labor arbitration awards is narrowly circumscribed and highly deferential—indeed, among the most deferential in the law.
    Our role is not to determine for ourselves whether Brady participated in a scheme to deflate footballs or whether the suspension imposed by the Commissioner should have been for three games or five games or none at all. Nor is it our role to second guess the arbitrator’s procedural rulings. Our obligation is limited to determining whether the arbitration proceedings and award met the minimum legal standards established by the Labor Management Relations Act, 29 U.S.C. § 141 et seq. (the “LMRA”). We must simply ensure that the arbitrator was “even arguably construing or applying the contract and acting within the scope of his authority” and did not “ignore the plain language of the contract.” United Paperworks Int’l Union v. Misco, Inc., 484 U.S. 29, 38 (1987). These standards do not require perfection in arbitration awards. Rather, they dictate that even if an arbitrator makes mistakes of fact or law, we may not disturb an award so long as he acted within the bounds of his bargained for authority. ”

    ….sigh

  180. “It would be a feather in the league’s cap to have found him innocent ….”

    Uh, except that Troy Vincent even said the owners were getting annoyed with how expensive league investigations were costing in legal fees. If Brady, who won in the first round of court, would have prevailed, Goodell again would have looked foolish. Another poorly run investigation and this time it cost the owners $22million, for nothing.

  181. Stop with the mindless repeating. When the outcome was obvious out of the gate with the texts and conveniently timed phone (evidence) destruction…equipment guys sneaking into rooms after initial checks etc. The rest is …again…moot white noise paid for by TB to protect his legacy after being caught red handed. O.J. was guilty before the verdict of innocence and still is of course guilty. Not to mention Berman being buds with RK. Joke. Was getting expensive due to Brady not willing to face up, apologizing and moving on…low character move that cost everyone for his own selfish arrogance. This was not about RG not wanting to look foolish, again that would suggest a conspiracy to throw a star QB under the bus…no, your conspiracy theory’s don’t fly. The law, unlike math, is not an exact language and is therefore flawed in many cases (Berman)…but we digress. Quit sighting what the court said when it is irrelevant. Again, if you think the league stuck with their decision to punish TB – if they thought he was innocent – you’re back to a conspiracy theory…and you’re smarter than that. Now ..to finish this thread..repeat after me: I am a Pats fan. I will defend them against any wrong doing regardless of it being legit or not. I will ignore all obvious logic and point fingers at other teams and other decisions to defend my argument. I will continue to spend my hard earned time and $ supporting this wealthy franchise as they get richer at my expense and laugh all the way to the bank with my $ and time.

  182. And to your homer point against me, I think Edelman and Rodney Harrison both were idiots for their PED suspensions as I like them both as players. And Spygate was stupid by Belichick to keep trying to push a loophole after the league told teams to stop taping (Jets had done it too). But with this case, the science, the facts of the case, the NFL’s behavior (both the unintentionally stupid and willfully stupid) and Goodells long track record of bad investigations (Rice, Bountygate, Bullygate, Josh Brown, Elliot etc. )and shady behavior with players (suppressing concussion research funding research, helping hide $130 mil from players shared revenue pool) just don’t add up.

  183. Remains to be seen what surfaces with Guerrero and further PED issues. Spygate was obviously a deep issue squashed by the destruction of evidence prior to not only Sen. Arlen Specter but also Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. and others who were behind the investigation process (never before or since with an NFL team, coincidence…uh no). Had the evidence not been destroyed with the help of RG in the interest of protecting the league brand…(not to mention Ramsgate) the sale would have also likely been forced. Again, pointing fingers at other issues is dodging the issue at hand, and opinions around how those other issues were handled varies…and primarily to the side of RG acting with integrity and competence…this is why he remains commiss.

  184. hahah now that is some sweet conspiracy weaving. Quotes, proof, rulebook citations? anything? Sounds like an awful lot of “white noise”

    And yet again ZERO answers to any of my questions… You can call checkmate all you want but if you dont know the rules or the facts its meaningless. I feel bad for you. Thankfully for you just because you dont believe in gravity, doesn’t mean you will fly off the earth. The science and the facts of the case fully support Brady. And Guerrero should not get any more scrutiny than Peyton Mannings wife did or the shady clinic that had been in trouble with the feds for illegaly importing HGH from China. Do some research.

    And “pointing fingers at other issues” is the crux of your case. Take your own advice and put aside the conspiracy theories.

  185. your argument: inconclusive text messages

    debunked science, poor investigative procedure, perjury, PR campaign against Brady, conflicts of interest at every turn , a very negative investigative track record, openly and repeatedly lying to the public, refusal to provide equal discovery, refusal to disclose new evidence, refusal to enforce the rules after the fact, etc,. etc, etc, = white noise?

    I think its pretty clear who get to call checkmate here. Pick apart any one of my points successfully or concede defeat. Have a great summer!

  186. Again, the copy and paste of cherry picked Ancillary B S that you continue to propagate I see throughout these threads with woven in insults/personal attacks which are nothing more than projecting.
    Texts, video and destruction of evidence is conclusive enough for any rational audience (non-pats fans) and proved to be enough to close this out with a consequence that you continue to dance around.
    Caught
    Guilty
    Punished
    Embarrassed – so fought back wasting time and $ for all involved
    Legacy established
    Case closed
    Checkmate

  187. No texts or video prove anything, sorry, Wells himself said in was inconclusive… Let it go go man and for your summer reading I’ll send you a high school physics book, with some interesting hilighted passages.

  188. Projecting again? You sound like you’re critiquing yourself here… maybe send yourself some psychotherapy books to help view the inner you. The texts, video and destroyed evidence (deliberate/desperate) obstruction….again speak for themselves, and they support the fact that he was found guilty and punished. Challenging this in court was an exercise in futility costing himself and others knowing how it would end up, but tactically trying to give the appearance of innocence in an attempt to salvage his legacy…didn’t work.
    Checkmate stands

  189. You vehemently deny your ‘conspiracy theory’ against TB, yet your words: “perjury, PR campaign against Brady, lying to the public, conflicts of interest” etc. sure tell a different story. Conclusion: Your theory is that RG/NFL were willing to openly commit crimes to damage a star QB (not good for NFL brand to do this) even though they ‘really knew’ he was innocent of any wrongdoing. Listen to yourself (or the proverbial voice in your head) and tell me that’s not a quintessential case of conspiracy theory.

  190. This would imply admitted guilt on it’s own. Judge Richard M. Berman of Federal District Court in Manhattan ruled in September that Brady had not been treated fairly and should not be suspended for deflating footballs because he had not been aware that such misconduct could lead to the kind of punishment he had received.
    The three-judge panel for the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit signaled from the outset that, rather than focusing on the question of Goodell’s authority, they were more interested in the details of Deflategate, including why Brady destroyed a cellphone the N.F.L. wanted to see and whether a four-game suspension was appropriate for tampering with how much air was in a football.

    “Anyone within 100 yards of this proceeding would have understood the cellphone issue would have raised the stakes,” Parker said. “Mr. Brady’s explanation made no sense whatsoever.”

  191. You vehemently deny your ‘conspiracy theory’ against TB, yet your words: “perjury, PR campaign against Brady, lying to the public, conflicts of interest” etc“

    Except those are facts, not some conspiracy. Proven and admitted, not disputable

  192. Brett Farve didn’t even have to produce his phone, and that was the instrument of the violation. NFL isn’t law enforcement and can’t compel production of private property. Even so, Brady provided all electronic data. And even so, NFL refused equal discovery of their evidence. But article 46 and labor law heavily favor the NFLs authority to do what they want.

    Explain please why you find Goodell and his poor track record with investigations credible. Show your work.

  193. And too bad I already pointed out and proved the 3 judges were using case law, labor law and the CBA and not the facts of the case as the basis…..I’ll let them explain, as you seemed to have missed it from before:

    The basic principle driving both our analysis and our conclusion is well established: a federal court’s review of labor arbitration awards is narrowly circumscribed and highly deferential—indeed, among the most deferential in the law.
    Our role is not to determine for ourselves whether Brady participated in a scheme to deflate footballs or whether the suspension imposed by the Commissioner should have been for three games or five games or none at all. Nor is it our role to second guess the arbitrator’s procedural rulings. Our obligation is limited to determining whether the arbitration proceedings and award met the minimum legal standards established by the Labor Management Relations Act, 29 U.S.C. § 141 et seq. (the “LMRA”). We must simply ensure that the arbitrator was “even arguably construing or applying the contract and acting within the scope of his authority” and did not “ignore the plain language of the contract.” United Paperworks Int’l Union v. Misco, Inc., 484 U.S. 29, 38 (1987). These standards do not require perfection in arbitration awards. Rather, they dictate that even if an arbitrator makes mistakes of fact or law, we may not disturb an award so long as he acted within the bounds of his bargained for authority. ”

    Proven. Not disputable. Checkmate.

  194. Incorrect, you miss the entire point again and fail to read sport…I know you get it but can’t help yourself repeating the same nonsensical blurbage to fit your own pointless narrative. “Brady had not been treated fairly and should not be suspended for deflating footballs because he had not been aware that such misconduct could lead to the kind of punishment he had received” implies he admits doing it but claims ignorance to the rules. “those are facts, not some conspiracy. Proven and admitted, not disputable” proves my point that you believe RG was willing to openly commit crimes to damage a star QB (not good for NFL brand to do this) even though they ‘really knew’ he was innocent of any wrongdoing. Listen to yourself (or the proverbial voice in your head) and tell me that’s not a quintessential case of conspiracy theory. RG remains commiss. due to his successfully making decisions in the best interest of the league itself …and still being around again speaks for itself. And again, you quoting the courts in this case is meaningless since RG had the sole power to make the decision, and again Challenging this in court was an exercise in futility costing himself and others knowing how it would end up, but tactically trying to give the appearance of innocence in an attempt to salvage his legacy…didn’t work.
    And finally -The texts, video and destroyed evidence (deliberate/desperate) obstruction….again speak for itself, and they support the fact that he was found guilty and punished. This means that anything after the point the suspension was given, is meaningless as he was proven guilty by the aforementioned activities. So stop quoting meaningless court noise….you look ridiculous. He was found guilty and punished no matter how hard your try to diminish that fact.
    I grow tired of trying to educate you, you need to go back down to your mom’s basement now and play video games …or whatever it is you do down there.
    Final checkmate…if you even know what that means.

  195. You don’t understand labor law or the CBA the players signed. Goodell has wide legal deference to do what he wants to discipline players. It’s not a “crime” as you purport. They players gave him that power and the courts in this case affirmed it. Please read the appeals court quote again.

  196. Still haven’t addressed the many flawed investigations Goodell has embarrassed himself with. And why all scientific outlets not paid by NFL (including scientists from MIT, Carnegie Mellon and Stanford) called Exponents report garbage. And why was Exponent used in the first place? They tried a produce a study for companies to prove smoking wasn’t a cancer causing among other beauties. They are a scientific conclusion for hire firm. They give the conclusion the client wants.

  197. You need to understand that nothing after the texts, video of equipment guys taking balls into private rooms after the initial check, destruction of evidence (obstruction) and abuse of process is relevant by any stretch of anyone’s imagination (including yours). The more you quote this, the more ignorant you appear to everyone.

    Brady was determined to be guilty based on the obvious evidence, and attempting to diminish that guilt implies once again that RG/NFL were ‘conspiring’ to get Brady regardless of guilt or innocence. Do you agree with that statement?

  198. So, to be clear, yet again, subjective interpretation of evidence, in your mind, trumps hard science done by some of the most talented minds on earth and proven and admitted poorly executed investigative procedure.

    Brady wasn’t found “guilty” by either Wells or the courts. You cannot find that word used. The phrase “ more probable than not “ is not just a wishy washy phrase thrown out there by Wells. It was extremely purposeful as it is the exact minimum threshold Goodell can punish a player under the CBA.

    And you forget that it was Goodell, not Brady that first started the court proceedings in order to “affirm” his decision. Further proof it was about cementing his power, not PSI.

  199. And you’re woefully misrepresenting why his attys. used the arguments that they used. Bradys attys argued on the grounds of adequate notice and fundamental fairness as those are very specific ways to argue an arbitration labor case (a court case in which Goodell initiated). The facts of what happened are not nearly as important at that point as Goodell’s procedural integrity. If the judges were only presented PSI science that proved the weather was the catalyst for the low PSI, they STILL would have to rule in favor of Goodell, per the wide deference given to arbitrator’s decisions in labor law and the CBA. Brady’s only way in legally was to fight on procedure and he won. But Goodell needed to affirm his authority as it would effect other player punishment cases, so he kept it going. And it helped Goodell as he won the Adrian Peterson case soon thereafter. Its not a conspiracy, that makes it sound thought out with foresight. It was anything but. It was a lets cover our butts and ensure we can’t be questioned again type business maneuver. The hidden PSI logs (after a promise of “transparency” and “getting it right”)and lack of PSI enforcement since then prove that. It was authority and setting a legal precedent, not rule enforcement that Goodell sought. Its why he started the court case in the first place.

  200. So to be clear, yet again, you’re saying that RG/NFL were ‘conspiring’ to get Brady regardless of guilt or innocence. Do you agree with that statement?

  201. And the voters have spoken.
    Checkmate, sorry sport. Move on to your next thread where you can be the self-proclaimed defender of the guilty…too funny!

  202. Wouldn’t have gone to court if Brady didn’t push back, and your interpretation of mincing the words conspiring vs ‘business decision’ doesn’t fly. You’re saying that RG/NFL consciously decided to punish Brady while knowing he was innocent of any wrongdoing. This is what you’re saying, correct?

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