Players respond to President Trump’s pardon recommendation request

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Earlier this month, President Trump addressed protests by NFL players by saying that they’ve seen “a lot of abuse” and unfairness before asking players to recommend names of people they would like to see considered for pardons.

Four players responded to that request in an Op-Ed for the New York Times published on Thursday. Seahawks wide receiver Doug Baldwin, former NFL wideout Anquan Boldin, Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins, and Saints tight end Benjamin Watson called the power to pardon “a valuable tool for redressing injustice” and commended the President for pardoning Alice Johnson from serving a life sentence for a nonviolent drug offense.

They also write that a “handful of pardons will not address the sort of systemic injustice that N.F.L. players have been protesting.”

“These injustices are so widespread as to seem practically written into our nation’s DNA. We must challenge these norms, investigate the reasons for their pervasiveness and fight with all we have to change them. That is what we, as football players, are trying to do with our activism.”

Using Johnson’s example and noting that 79,000 of roughly 185,000 federal prisoners are there for drug offenses, they suggest he could issue “a blanket pardon” for people given such sentences in nonviolent cases. They also point to the number of elderly people in the federal prison population — 28 percent by next year — and suggested releasing prisoners over 60 who are serving time for drug offenses that took place a long time ago.

They also make a call to end eliminate life without parole for nonviolent crimes on the federal level and point out that 30 percent of federal prisoners currently serving life without parole are there for nonviolent offenses as opposed to two percent on the state level.

“These changes, if President Trump were to make them, would positively affect the lives of thousands of people and have a lasting beneficial effect on many more people in the future. The president can implement these changes with his pardon power and other executive decisions. His ability to change the lives of people for the better is immense. We hope he uses it, not just for the few, but for the many.”

The players have also filmed videos for Twitter featuring many of the same points raised in their Op-Ed.

193 responses to “Players respond to President Trump’s pardon recommendation request

  1. Kudo’s to both the players and President Trump for coming to together.

    Need more of this, instead of the constant identity politics pissing contests we see.

  2. Pardoned all of you! Make sure to show your gratitude at the polls! And if you need help paying your bills don’t worry Baldwin, Jenkins, Watson, and Smith will be there for you. What a great idea…..

  3. So just release all people that are in there for drug related crimes? Yeah maybe after a long drug rehabilitation stint. I know there are the cases where someone is severely over sentenced but I know several addicts that got arrested many many times before they actually got sent to do real time and then they get out and repeat the cycle.

  4. They deserve to be heard and their points are worth discusding. I dont know if the blanket releases being recommended are good but a review of all those cases would be worthwhile. If any are just posession and the person has been in for a long tome then gee let thrm go. But if a person was a major kingpin in the distribution they should serve. And in between those extreems there dan be discussion of how the judgement calls should be made on what level of involvement should be dealt with how. I think drugs are most of the nonviolent crimes. Tax cheats and embezzlers etc… arent that big a number next to drugs.

  5. So we’re going to just release everyone that hasn’t committed a murder. Why do we even have laws. Same with the whole boarder thing. These things baffle me. We should name this country 7-11 open 24hrs free to all. With my job I work all different areas of Philly. And as far as I’m concerned seeing what I see every day the laws aren’t tough enough. Everybody wants to be a ganster until they get killed or arrested. It’s not a race issue as they want to push it it’s a culture issue.

  6. As someone who has knowledge of the process, this information while having some truth to it overlooks a lot of things. Such as people are frequently guilty of higher crimes than those for which they’ve been convicted. Secondly, many criminals are repeat offenders and get harsher sentences as a result. Third, this was supposed to be about social injustice for blacks in particular. Therefore where are the stats to show that white people get lighter sentences when convicted of the same crimes? if that can be proven, most of us would side with the cause or at leas be sympathetic to it.

  7. Trump will do nothing with respect to the players’ requests. Trump’s “offer” was just another smokescreen to give his alt-right supporters red meat to say “look how reasonable he is being”. These people care nothing about someone who may have been unjustly incarcerated.

  8. Where was the request to the previous President, who served 8 years in office, for these “blanket pardons”? How upset are these players and the NFLPA that Obama did nothing of this sort while in office? Hmmmmmmmmmm.

  9. I think this was a well thought out response by the players involved. I am not sure what the feasibility of the process is, but non-voilent offenders being imprisoned on the first offense is a real problem. A situation like this happened to the mother of Demaryius Thomas. It took years to get her sentence commuted. I’m interested in seeing where this goes. Side note: I believe Jared Kushner was interested in prison reform after what he saw during his father’s stay there. Maybe that will assist these players.

  10. The kneelers could not name one person in prison who deserves to be released. They could not find one example of someone unjustly convicted. Shows that thier kneeling was just about disrespecting the flag and country that is paying these low IQ people millions to run around a field in tights.

  11. The warden of each prison should have the say on which prisoners that would be gifted a commuted sentence.

  12. I’d like to see Trayvon Martin pardoned. Also, Mike Brown and Eric Garner should be pardon. Philando Castile, Tamir Rice, Freddie Gray, Sandra Bland, too.

    All these people — and so many, many others — should have their lives returned to them.

    And if that’s impossible, let us bow or kneel for a moment, for just a blessed moment, to honor them and the thousands of others who’ve suffered the ugly wrath of public officials.

  13. Just curious, but since this has been happening since before President Trump, where was all the lefts outrage when Obama was in office? Trump is cleaning up Obamas mess but you still want to blame Trump. God bless you, Mr. Trump! Im glad we have a real president.

  14. “It’s not about justice, it’s about the “struggle”.”

    The struggle is to achieve justice. When you have people who disingenuously cite African-American on African-American crime statistics like they really care about what happens in black neighborhoods, when you have people who support separating children from their parents, you realize that the struggle is real.

  15. Just shows how ridiculous these players are. It’s not about justice, it’s about the “struggle”. The President could pardon everyone and it wouldn’t be enough.

    Great example of the racist right wingers that support our bigot in Chief. How are we as a country ever going to move beyond the rampart decisive tribalism if we don’t start talking to each other. I realize this commentor is afraid his majority will be gone and wants to stay in charge, but it’s not going to happen and his fear is palatable….this commentor is probably in favor of separating children from their parents at the border…..Karma will find you

  16. Trump is an oligarch and a fascist. You are sheep for thinking that the USA is your private playground.

    Get a Constitution and read it. Close your collective mouths. You’re drooling on the carpet.

    Vote me down. I don’t care. This is where the imbeciles live.

  17. He is exactly right, but it would effect millions of people. Mainly the innocent people who absolutely don’t want more drug dealers on the streets—how about our rights and opinions?

    I live in a fairly safe town, where unfortunately there is a large drug problem. In the last 2-3 years, several of those arrested were OVER 60 and were being charged with trafficking—not a simple one ounce possession of marijuana!

    And those serving life sentences for non-violent drug crimes—how many of those were trafficking or multiple trafficking offenses or crimes where the person got MULTIPLE chances to stay straight and quit selling drugs, but kept on and on until finally a judge had had enough?!?!

    And the problem is still not being taken care of, because are these players going to take care of them? I hate it now that A good portion of money I earn HONESTLY every week is being used to pay out an average of 35,000-45,000 a year to take care inmates to have a roof over their head, 3 meals a day, watch TV and go out and play ball or workout every day (and let’s not talk about the murderers and sexual offenders we have to support for the rest of their sorry lives who didn’t think twice about the people they hurt or killed!). Now I am expected to keep working to put in money to take care of them on Social Security and MediCare and Medicaid, while no one can tell me after I have worked for 54 years, if there will be ANY of my money left I have paid in if I ever get a chance to actually retire? I have an issue with that. We already pay Billions out every year for people who don’t care to work and want to sit home all day, playing video games or watching TV when there is absolutely nothing wrong with them!

    I agree, the system on every level is broken and does need to be fixed. But that will never happen with all of the special interest groups, crooked politicians and people that “expect” to be taken care of for NO reason!

  18. I have been and continue to be a staunch critic of the anthem kneeling. I maintain it is the wrong act, performed at the wrong time, and has zero impact on the issues they claim to be demonstrating for. I continue to feel that way.

    With that said, these guys put together a very well-written and very well thought-out article that actually *does* have the potential to get people thinking. I absolutely commend them for that, and will admit that I learned some new things by reading it. I hope they continue down this path.

  19. Whenever Trump gets mentioned in an article on this site or really any other site I always makes the dumb mistake of reading the comments. I lose a little bit of faith in this country when I read them. I know that there are dumb, uneducated, or just insane people in every society. It’s just sad to see them all comment on articles like this at the same time. Anger and bitterness no matter what form it takes in your life is like a cancer. It consumes you and ends up affecting all aspects of your life. It’s pathetic and sad, I feel bad for you guys. The highlight of your days involves coming on sites like this to comment and let your anger out because your lives in the real world are disappointing. I see the same guys over and over again commenting the same types of comments. I hope it gets better and that you come across less sad, pathetic, and weak tomorrow. Mostly I hope you let go of all that anger.

  20. This will never happen so let’s address that first. This was a look at the left hand while the right hand builds a wall, separate families at the border moment. But on the other trump asked for and the athlete responded in kind. As fan we can’t have it both ways. Do we want are athletes to just entertain or share there voice. The Jordan era athlete didn’t do enough in the 80’s and 90’s but then we want our athletes to shut up and play.

  21. keywestallyear says:
    June 21, 2018 at 7:54 am
    Where was the request to the previous President, who served 8 years in office, for these “blanket pardons”? How upset are these players and the NFLPA that Obama did nothing of this sort while in office? Hmmmmmmmmmm
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    Hmmmmmmmmm
    If you weren’t so blinded by ignorance and/or an agenda you would find President Obama did exactly what you say he did nothing of.

  22. “Finally, a proven leader in the White House who cares only about the 1% and screw everyone else.”

    Fixed your statement for you.

  23. I know several addicts that got arrested many many times before they actually got sent to do real time and then they get out and repeat the cycle.
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    I’m sorry you know so many. I don’t know any. I’m out of touch. All the people I know that do and deal drugs are white so they don’t go through the same process.

  24. Here is one way to reduce police violence, when a cop tells you to pull over, pull over, when a cop tells you to take your hands out of your pockets, take them out, when a cop tells you to do anything, do it, don’t resist every commend by a law inforcement officer, and that is what happens all the time.

  25. dirtybirdnation says:
    June 21, 2018 at 7:40 am

    Kudo’s to both the players and President Trump for coming to together.

    Need more of this, instead of the constant identity politics pissing contests we see.

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    Happy to see that I only had to read 3 comments before I saw something from a real American who puts Country over party. Seems like that’s a shrinking demographic.

  26. I am so proud of The Players who have taken the time out of their busy schedules to let the president know “we ain’t goin’ for your tricks”

    #sheeptoslaughter

  27. Trump is cleaning up Obamas mess but you still want to blame Trump. God bless you, Mr. Trump! Im glad we have a real president.
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    Some of you really need to turn off Fox news….

  28. “Same with the whole boarder thing. These things baffle me”.

    Perhaps you are baffled by mistakenly thinking that the issue has something to do with live-in schools, or renting out a room in your home. When you realize that the subject concerns national “borders”, you may not be baffled any longer.

  29. aa1829 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 8:28 am
    Here is one way to reduce police violence, when a cop tells you to pull over, pull over, when a cop tells you to take your hands out of your pockets, take them out, when a cop tells you to do anything, do it, don’t resist every commend by a law inforcement officer, and that is what happens all the time.
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    Outlaw Morgan has a lil video about this very thing.
    Essentially boiling it down to “If they tell me put one leg in, one leg out, guess I’m doing the hokey pokey ain’t I”

  30. Just curious, but since this has been happening since before President Trump, where was all the lefts outrage when Obama was in office? Trump is cleaning up Obamas mess but you still want to blame Trump. God bless you, Mr. Trump! Im glad we have a real president.
    _______________________________________________________

    You…you do realize that the kneeling started during Obamas term, right? In response to overuse of police power and the different treatment of black criminals compared to white ones (rallying on the point that blacks and whites are equally likely to do drugs, but blacks are more likely to be arrested, charged and sent to long prison terms for it) It only became a popular issue when Trump started screaming about it at rallys

  31. niners816 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 8:06 am
    Just curious, but since this has been happening since before President Trump, where was all the lefts outrage when Obama was in office? Trump is cleaning up Obamas mess but you still want to blame Trump. God bless you, Mr. Trump! Im glad we have a real president.

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    Well kneeling for the Anthem started during the Obama administration so I fail to see your point.

  32. If they got caught selling coke/crack, heroin or meth, you need to stay in prison. They are destroying lives and don’t care = $$$$$$$

  33. “When a cop tells you to do anything, do it, don’t resist every commend (sic) by a law enforcement officer”.

    Practical if you do not want to be shot, however, we are supposed to be a free people. Why should anyone have to obey every command from any government official? If you want to live in a dictatorship, please, feel free to practice fealty to those enforcing the dictatorship.

  34. Odd no mention of Mentoring young African Americans on being better. To NOT do drugs. To STAY in school. Maybe they could help single parent families where there in no male father figure. How they can be better pillars of a community. All I hear is a quick fix that will make the situation worse. Maybe they could start a rehabilitation program FOR prisons. Where people with low level crimes can be rehabilitated to go back into society.

  35. Those numbers are ridiculous. Life sentences for non-violent crimes make no sense at all. 30% elderly non-violent offenders serving life sentence, think of the tax money saved by releasing them??? Even if they went on welfare we’d save tax money.

  36. I hope that the players will endeavor to maintain an open dialogue with President Trump. Trump may be many things but racist is not one of them. He is for America and all Americans and I think that his actions anger some NFL SJWs because he is demonstrating to them how very little 0bama actually did for them in eight years.

  37. Still so many confused angry white men about the anthem that they can’t even bother fully reading an article and commenting about what is actually in it…. oh and what idiot thought releasing non violent offenders would put more drugs on the street? You so realize that for federal cases that happened years ago, the laws were much more strict. Hell in Texas during rhe Vietnam war if you got caught with just a roach it was ten years in prison or war.

  38. LOL.
    Of course, the players asked for thousands to be pardoned.
    They are never satisfied.

  39. wiltmellow says:
    June 21, 2018 at 8:04 am
    I’d like to see Trayvon Martin pardoned. Also, Mike Brown and Eric Garner should be pardon. Philando Castile, Tamir Rice, Freddie Gray, Sandra Bland, too.

    All these people — and so many, many others — should have their lives returned to them.

    And if that’s impossible, let us bow or kneel for a moment, for just a blessed moment, to honor them and the thousands of others who’ve suffered the ugly wrath of public officials.

    Ok, but let’s also remember the hundreds of law-enforcement officers who are murdered every year by very bad people. Perhaps instead of taking a knee for the Anthem these protesters could do something positive like learning how to interact with police and teaching those skills to people who seemingly lack them. But taking a knee is the easy thing to do and shows disrespect with no attempt at a solution.

  40. “this commenter is probably in favor of separating children from their parents at the border”.

    Oh, he’s definitely in favor of that, and he was very disappointed with Trump yesterday. Keeping these children out is key part of the white supremacist strategy to achieve a lily-white nation. They will quickly turn on Trump if he goes against their agenda again.

  41. I hope that the players will endeavor to maintain an open dialogue with President Trump. Trump may be many things but racist is not one of them. He is for America and all Americans and I think that his actions anger some NFL SJWs because he is demonstrating to them how very little 0bama actually did for them in eight years.

    —–

    *claims Trump is not racist and is for all Americans*

    *uses SJW and Obama in a comment*

  42. They better overhaul the entire justice system so these types of crimes carry less maximum time then, otherwise it’s pointless to pardon these people just go have the next wave of offenders receive the same amount of time. It’s going to be an endless cycle.

    Anyway, how did protesting police violence end up being about non-violent drug criminals in prison? They’re in there for a reason. The law says they can be punished for that amount of time. I’m sure hundreds or thousands of families have been petitioning for leniency without any progress so how come these millionaires get to throw in a few names of people they want pardoned?

  43. Using Johnson’s example and noting that 79,000 of roughly 185,000 federal prisoners are there for drug offenses, they suggest he could issue “a blanket pardon” for people given such sentences in nonviolent cases.

    Drug dealers prey on kids and the poor, drug addicts steal to support their habit…doesn’t seem like a good idea to issue a blanket pardon.

  44. I still think its funny that some right wing talking head started the whole snowflake thing, and those who have right wing views tend to whine and complain all day long, about EVERYTHING. I dont claim either–but I do have many friends who are liberal–and the majority of them do some kind of work in their community (like a lot of the NFL players listed above), as vocation or volunteer. I do not see the types of people you see at Trumps rallies doing this, quite the opposite, they spend their free time getting fatter, hating the world, embroiled in bitter resentment over “their country going to the dogs” or whatever. Who’s the whiny snowflake loser, really??? and now for their response “uh, uh, uh, yeah but WHAT ABOUT OBAMA???” oh, the ever angry, easily duped…you are sadly pathetic and amusing.

  45. @richndc, how do you know what millions of people are doing or are you just making assumptions to fit the narrative that makes you feel good about yourself?

  46. Yesterday I saw Trump discussing the fact that O’Bamacare, which was a disaster from day 1, is all but gone and he will be announcing a new and better plan within two weeks.
    One point he said will be in his new plan — which makes total sense — is terminally ill patients will have the right to try experimental drugs which are presently only available in other countries. Trump said why should a person have to travel to some other country and not have the right to try an experimental drug right here in the U.S? That makes total sense and hats off to Trump for putting that in his new plan.
    If people would take the time to listen to Trump’s message, they’d realize the guy is extremely bright and also very much in tune with what the great majority of people want in this country.
    But when you label him a racist with no basis in fact, and you call for him to be impeached, and when you organize protests because he was elected President, you show how ignorant you are about what the man is trying to do.

  47. No, now we want reparations and until we get that and your land we’re going to hold up our fists and kneel like petulant 3 year olds.

  48. Pardoning convicted criminals is fine, as long as they are done on a case-by-case study. To simply grant a pardon to thousands of prisoners who are in prison because of drugs is a dangerous idea, to me. There must be some review of the circumstances as to why they are there before they are paroled.

  49. It started out as CK sitting for the anthem.

    Pretty much every corner of society blasted CK for this.

    Then a retired Green Beret sat CK and requested something more respectful like kneeling. Which CK complied as his beef wasn’t with the military but rather unchecked systematic injustices towards the poor and minorities.

    Most of society moved on at this point. It was only a week or two into the protest.

    The fanatical right then noticed an opportunity and high jacked the issue for their own cause of driving a wedge between the majority race vs the minority race to help push their own political agenda. They would try to recruit anyone that was offended for any reason. If you are Pro Police, they wanted you. If you are republican, they want you. If you are pro military they want you. Any excuse to get you on their side was good enough for them.

    You can very easily be anti KC and not be a racist. You can easily be Pro Military, Pro Police. Pro (at least what is preceived to be ) Good guys and not be a racist.

    But it will be the racist that keep this story going. It’s their national platform. If it goes away they lose their national platform they use to promote hate and division.

    Requesting or demanding equality. (Literally meaning to be treated exactly like everyone else)doesn’t make someone uppity. It makes them exactly like you or me. We’d expect nothing less ourselves. I’m a son of a retired police man. I respect their job. But in turn they need to respect our rights or none of it works. There are some bad citizens and there are some bad cops. I can PROMISE you that you can not tell which are which by the color of their skin or the car they drive or the clothes they wear. One can not tell by looking at someone if they have good or bad in their heart.

  50. denverdave3 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 7:48 am
    As someone who has knowledge of the process, this information while having some truth to it overlooks a lot of things. Such as people are frequently guilty of higher crimes than those for which they’ve been convicted. Secondly, many criminals are repeat offenders and get harsher sentences as a result. Third, this was supposed to be about social injustice for blacks in particular. Therefore where are the stats to show that white people get lighter sentences when convicted of the same crimes? if that can be proven, most of us would side with the cause or at leas be sympathetic to it.

    ——-

    “Therefore where are the stats to show that white people get lighter sentences when convicted of the same crimes?”

    Dude, are you kidding me? Try google. This HAS been proven. But most people are willfully ignorant of that fact.

  51. walllamp947460497 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 7:58 am
    The kneelers could not name one person in prison who deserves to be released. They could not find one example of someone unjustly convicted. Shows that thier kneeling was just about disrespecting the flag and country that is paying these low IQ people millions to run around a field in tights.

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    These players are raising their voices on their own time so they do not deserve to be called ‘the kneelers’. And since they are doing it in this manner IMHO we should put the whole kneeling issue (which did offend me) aside and not have it cloud the discussion on these properly raised concerns. I dont know yet whether I agree with them but I think they deserve at least to have what they say respected and given fair consideration. Likewise if Trump himself also gives this respect and fair consideration (Im simply waiting and watching on that) that too should be embraced and not clouded or shot down by anyones hatred of a man. I suppose it cant be asked for folks to completely put aside any hate or resentment but please lets not let those things be bigger than love of country and desire to do the right thing fir America.

  52. Let’s just give drug dealers Saturday detention and let them go about their business…..if there are no strict rules in place and there is no fear of the penalty, people will continue to do harmful things to their communities……oh it was non-violent bc it was just drugs doesn’t cut it….we have a zombie apocalypse walking among us because of these scumbags that sell drugs without remorse….getting them off of the street is what is best for our world….here is an idea….if you don’t want to go to jail don’t do something illegal….if you dont want get shot at by a cop, don’t jump out of your car and start running down the road….if you dont want cops to show up where you are don’t do something that causes them to show up, for the most part….the problem they have with the cops is with a minority of morons that get off on harassing people and using their power immorally….and of course this is unacceptable and must stop….but there is a very high majority of people that deserve to be in prison for what they did…lets stop blaming the cops and society for theses people….lets get into theses communities and improve education, improve relationships with the police department, improve family life, and improve employment rates for these communities….and stop trying to play the victim.

  53. Man, these players are dumber than I thought. Nice job blowing your shot to be taken seriously. Release all the non-violent drug dealers who flooded our communities with narcotics and subsequently killed people or greatly altered their life by creating or fueling addiction? And then like the non-violent and violent offenders out over the age of 60 just because they were convicted a long time ago? Yea, life-long jailbirds with a history of dealing narcotics and/or violence would be a great boost for society.

  54. Nice to see some people who actually care about our country for a change. I wish Trump felt the same way, it’s a shame he doesn’t.

  55. It’s funny how “the law is the law” is a rallying cry but we treat opioid addicts like victims and not criminals under this admin.

    Let’s be real here. You want the law to be based on “type”.

  56. cardinealsfan20 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 8:11 am
    “It’s not about justice, it’s about the “struggle”.”

    The struggle is to achieve justice. When you have people who disingenuously cite African-American on African-American crime statistics like they really care about what happens in black neighborhoods, when you have people who support separating children from their parents, you realize that the struggle is real.

    The mention of black on black murder is brought up to counter the generalized assertions that only blacks are being murdered by police when in fact more whites are killed by police every year and no one seems upset by this. You do not hear one word about the horrifying level of crime committed against blacks in Chicago, for example, rather they focus only one cops or whites.

    That sir is the definition of disingenuous.

  57. I think they should also show their compassion and concern for the less fortunate and those fleeing horrible injustices like down on the border.

    Maybe they could house some of them? Feed them? Pay for an education for them maybe so they can start a good new life?

    I mean there are injustices all around that concerned wealthy people can assist with.

    Pardons are great and all but that doesn’t cost much money. Then if they get released and being convicted felons and all that, gonna be hard to land a good job probably.

    I mean I know they are counting on we the taxpayers to foot all those costs but we always do our share – so maybe they can spread some of the good fortune they have encountered in this racist country?

    Seems like a valid way to show your sincerity to me.

  58. cardinealsfan20 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 7:51 am
    Trump will do nothing with respect to the players’ requests. Trump’s “offer” was just another smokescreen to give his alt-right supporters red meat to say “look how reasonable he is being”. These people care nothing about someone who may have been unjustly incarcerated
    ———————————
    This kind of statement is exactly what is wrong with society and why we are so far apart. Your presumption may very well be true, but how do you know? Have you ever met and or had a conversation with President Trump or “these people.” Statements like these presume that you know them intimately enough to judge their character by what is inherently felt in their heart. It is a baseless, cynical presumption….which is unfortunately, the norm today.

  59. I don’t condemn the convict twice (if they are already in jail).
    I continue to condemn their upbringing. Their family or friends.
    Nobody wants to be a victim. But releasing bad people could increase repeat offenders & your chances of being a victim increase no matter the severity of their original prison conviction.
    Call me crazy, but examples need to be made for proven bad people & capital punishment will be in discussion (IMO, severe consequences need to made apparent for the lightest of crimes; ie: a hand for petty theivery).

  60. Anyone on opioids is more dangerous than a pot dealer. Lock up every opioid addict.

    Oops. Forgot, they look like “Americans” and not immigrants. They aren’t criminals. Sorry.

  61. If you’re expecting Traitor Trump to actually do much of anything that will help anyone other than himself, you’re going to be in for a very long wait. He gave one pardon to help someone. He could give many, many more–but he won’t, because he wouldn’t personally benefit by doing so. That’s how the orange menace rolls, America.

  62. All this injustice and these losers can’t come up with names, liberals losers at their best, they have an opportunity to take care of some people they take a knee, what a bunch of liars

  63. I could see Trump going along with a pardon-fest simply because it will be a good precursor for him when it comes time to pardon his campaign people and family members.

    Sessions on the other hand isn’t going to like it one bit. He wants to lock people away for possession of a couple of leftover stems.

  64. Criminal vs Civilian Violence.
    is NOT comparable to Police vs Civilian violence.

    The issue isn’t Police brutalizing criminals (some of the protesters do mention it though) as much as it is police brutalizing civilians that the Police mistook as a criminal. And police not being property punished for that mistake. Paid leave is literally just a different word for Vacation. If you mistakenly kill a civilian that you mistook for a criminal, you probably shouldn’t get 6 months extra paid vacation time. That’s what the protest was all about. Those types of mistakes (Often) should NOT lead to incarceration but they probably should make those officers retire or at least be barred form field duty. Be a pencil pusher or find a new line of work were you can’t have a fire arm in public.

  65. Of course Trump will keep his promise, just like he kept his promises to:
    – raise taxes on the rich
    – provide health insurance to everyone
    – drain the swamp
    – and never take vacations

  66. cardinealsfan20 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 8:11 am

    “It’s not about justice, it’s about the “struggle”.”

    The struggle is to achieve justice. When you have people who disingenuously cite African-American on African-American crime statistics like they really care about what happens in black neighborhoods, when you have people who support separating children from their parents, you realize that the struggle is real.

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    The struggle is real. No disagreeing there. But the community has been struggling individually instead of together, then they are like the fish in the net in Finding Nemo… they need someone to organize them to swim the same way and work together, like MLK did. Unfortunately, today there are guys like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, who profit off the unorganized. The NFL players aren’t making it about the flag, and I’ll admit, at first, I also thought it was a BS protest. But I took the time to hear the point of view (that I admittedly didn’t “want to hear”) and it didn’t feel like the jab at the country that I assumed it did.

    Now, I agree, the NFL should step in since it’s getting in the way of their product. But, I think the players should continue their message, and Trump should listen.

    PS – I’m all for getting more people out of the jails for non-violent crimes, it’s unfair to the prisoner, it’s unfair to the tax payers paying for that prisoner, and the jails are already overcrowded as it is. At the same time, if you have a mass release of these offenders, how do we help them assimilate to life on the outside again?
    I don’t want to have these people released and left to fend for themselves, because if they end up right back on the inside, you’d be ruining the progress that this would represent.

  67. When you have folks that love to look like they are 100% invested in righting wrongs fueled by oppression and ignorance, you would assume their answers would contain the same detail, emotion and articulate suggestions just as their Twitter posts did. Its almost like someone else missed the deadline in getting them their talking points…hmmmm

  68. Last time I checked, Trump will have more than enough people to pardon . . . from his own administration.

  69. Quite a few (as in over 1000) of these ‘non violent’ prisoners are there for drug offenses because the homicides they did could not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. You KNOW they did it, you’re TOLD they did it, but no smoking gun.

    I worked for a Federal Task Force and trust me, when the Feds make these arrests, there is a lot more going on. State level pardons, go for it. The Feds actually THROW BACK more drug arrests than they make.

  70. tell the 30,000 a year who die from od about” non violent crime” what they really ment to say let all the blacks out of prison but keep everybody else. fixed it for them. as for those who riff on fox news maybe you should read a little more about what he has done. not what communist cnn tells you.

  71. heavyjumbo says:
    June 21, 2018 at 8:40 am
    niners816 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 8:06 am
    Just curious, but since this has been happening since before President Trump, where was all the lefts outrage when Obama was in office? Trump is cleaning up Obamas mess but you still want to blame Trump. God bless you, Mr. Trump! Im glad we have a real president.

    ———————

    Well kneeling for the Anthem started during the Obama administration so I fail to see your point.

    ————————-
    His point is that the outcry did not really pick up steam until it was found to be something that could be politicized as a way to bash Trump. Frankly those that found using it for Trump bashing to be the true value of the protest were just as disrespectful of the social concerns as those that openly condemned the protest. Both of those groups of people were completely missing the point.

    Its not lost on me that after it became a Trump bashing tool Trump himself made that worse all by himself, thats on him. He should have just stood back from this one. Opening his mouth on this matter at all was a foolish tactical choice.

  72. So the players are just to lazy to find specific examples of people that should be pardoned?? They admit that pardoning Alice Johnson is a good example but do not come up with any further good examples?? If “These injustices are so widespread as to seem practically written into our nation’s DNA.” one would think coming up with dozens of deserving cases would be extremely easy…. where are the examples?? Seems to me the players are copping out and NOT taking up the presidents offer. IF their argument truly had merit, they are being fools not take advantage of this very public opportunity…..SMH

  73. I’m glad they’re at least communicating with the President.

    I didn’t vote for him, but I fail to see the benefit of just insulting people – the President or anyone else. What does that accomplish?

    I understand QB Kaepernick’s concern about the relationship between the Police and black men, but at some point it stopped being about addressing and communicating this issue and just a finger-pointing session where each group just stick’s to their tribe’s talking points. And what good is that? How are you solving any problems that way?

    There is no doubt that Trump has never been a religious man, and yet his circle is filled with Evangilicals.

    That should tell EVERYONE that he is not wedded to any one point, and that you can in fact influence his positions if you’ll simply take the time to talk to him (e.g. after winning a sports title).

    This is a start.

    And for all of you who decry “Identity Politics” – man, I’m so with you. This is one of the worst culprits in dividing us as a people.

  74. Ok, so someone sells my children and their friends heroin, 2 of the kids OD because it was spiked with some unknown substance, and barely manage to live. Dealer gets arrested for it 4 times before finally serving a day in jail.

    And that dealer is supposed to get pardoned because it was a “non-violent” offense?

    Bologna. I want that scumbag to rot in prison, just like the law says he should.

  75. FoozieGrooler says:
    June 21, 2018 at 9:51 am
    Of course Trump will keep his promise, just like he kept his promises to:
    – raise taxes on the rich
    – provide health insurance to everyone
    – drain the swamp
    – and never take vacations

    ——

    I heard an audio clip a couple days ago of Trump campaigning….saying he would repeal Obamacare on day 1, then saying he had a plan that would cover everyone, that would be much, much cheaper, would have better coverage, and “everyone is going to be so happy”.

    Maybe his plan was to have Mexico subsidize healthcare, like they’re paying for his wall.

  76. Drugs are a symptom. I cannot take the war on drugs seriously until we fix the economic and social injustices that keep people from their true vocation.

  77. It’s easy to play “what about this…” or “what about that…” on these types of things.

    I tend to side more with the President than with the players.

    That being said, NEITHER SIDE is the others’ enemy. There are differing opinions on what should be done, and dialogue helps. It MAY NOT lead to the outcome you were hoping for, but at least something is being discussed.

    Now, that being said, I do have a real problem with the protests. It just seems the ask is too broad and too abstract. How does one define “injustice?” And is it something that the President put in place? He does not run the Courts, he simply signs laws into effect that Congress passes.

    This whole thing has reeked more of political bias against a President the players personally hate, rather than protest a previous President whom they viewed as “down with the struggle,” even though he also did little, if anything, to mitigate their grievances.

  78. lunchtimeallday says:
    June 21, 2018 at 7:47 am
    So we’re going to just release everyone that hasn’t committed a murder.
    ===========================================================
    Really? Do you know how ignorant that sounds? Did you even read ANY of the story?

  79. SBLIIChampionEagles says:
    June 21, 2018 at 10:25 am
    Ok, so someone sells my children and their friends heroin, 2 of the kids OD because it was spiked with some unknown substance, and barely manage to live. Dealer gets arrested for it 4 times before finally serving a day in jail.

    And that dealer is supposed to get pardoned because it was a “non-violent” offense?

    Bologna. I want that scumbag to rot in prison, just like the law says he should.

    —–

    You do realize he can be tried for attempted manslaughter, which is a violent offense.

    For fans of a sport dominated by African Americans and other minorities to say stuff like this… I swear to God.

  80. dontbeemo says:
    June 21, 2018 at 9:37 am
    Anyone on opioids is more dangerous than a pot dealer. Lock up every opioid addict.

    Oops. Forgot, they look like “Americans” and not immigrants. They aren’t criminals. Sorry.

    Sorry, you’re so wrong. Get out of the basement and come downtown a few times and you’ll understand. Opiates are a problem in white suburbia as well as the more colorful urban areas.

  81. “It’s not about justice, it’s about the “struggle”.

    Exactly how disappointed were you about your boy Trump yesterday? We all know how much joy you were getting from seeing those children in cages. Are you now going to turn against Trump because he went against your alt-right agenda? Or are you counting on this being another subterfuge and nothing really changing?

  82. ““These injustices are so widespread as to seem practically written into our nation’s DNA.“

    —The problem is their protests orginally had nothing to do with nonviolent drug offenders. It was about the supposed epidemic of black men being shot by police. Numbers don’t lie, however. The cause was based on a faulty premise then, just as it is now. As for their response, their answer is to pardon tens of thousands convicted felons? On what basis? I’m all for sentencing reform, but blanket pardons are not the way to go.

  83. Just when you think the players cant get any dumber. Tell me, what about justice to the countless families impacted by drugs, the deaths, broken families, lives ruined. The players dont care, it just hey, pardon all these people who broke the law.

    They couldn’t name 1 freaking case that aligned with thier narrative.

  84. cardinealsfan20 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 7:51 am
    Trump will do nothing with respect to the players’ requests. Trump’s “offer” was just another smokescreen to give his alt-right supporters red meat to say “look how reasonable he is being”. These people care nothing about someone who may have been unjustly incarcerated.

    ——————–

    Actually the whole “police brutality” thing was a smokescreen to take the heat off of Kaep’s original reason for kneeling…..because he got beat out by Blaine Gabbert.

  85. Players backing the ACLU. What I couldn’t find on the ACLU website was the breakdown of all the offenses for the habitual criminals and how many offenses were forgiven since the offender got LWOP.

  86. Compelling writing. Unfortunately the pardon process does not exist as a vehicle to change social policy. For instance, “drug related” activity has been established to be highly correlated with violence (which is clearly a danger to society), so “drug related” sentences would need to be reviewed individually for potential danger to society. And again, there is always the premise that the penal system exists in order to hold people responsible for their own conduct, which is a responsibility that each and every citizen has (but seems to get overlooked). People who are wrongfully being held responsible for someone else’s conduct are the ones that should be protested for. Odds are that this number would be far smaller than 79,000.

    By the way, didn’t the prior administration just build a whole bunch of new penal facilities? Seems like this problem is a little larger than just Donald Trump.

  87. The players should’ve requested that Trump pardon himself for stinking up the White House. If the gross old man were to ever take a shower, the entire sewer system would turn a toxic orange.

  88. This is certainly one way to respond to Trump’s request and this willingness to help out the cause. This is the equivalent of spitting on that willingness.

    It’s nothing bet a setup. No president is ever going to issue a blanket pardon, so now the players get to sit back and tell everyone about how Trump’s olive branch was a fake one, and that he’s not serious. We’ll surely hear all bout how the President spurned their “reasonable” requests, and he’s just a bigot who was looking for a headline.

    An earlier poster nailed it. The whole racism industry is like my ex-wife. No matter how much effort people are willing to put into it, no matter how willing they are to compromise, it’s never enough.

    So forget it. Scrap it all, it’s not nearly worth it.

  89. nhpats says:
    June 21, 2018 at 10:53 am

    Actually the whole “police brutality” thing was a smokescreen to take the heat off of Kaep’s original reason for kneeling…..because he got beat out by Blaine Gabbert.

    ——

    you may be right in respect to Kaep. but then do you think all the other players in the league were kneeling/raising fists/hand on another’s shoulder….because Kaep got beat out by Gabbert?

    I’m really curious.

  90. INJUSTICES WOULD NEVER OCCUR IN THIS COUNTRY IF……………
    The Black People that were given instructions by the cops just took orders and did as they were told. ,!!!!
    Like we all do.

  91. “and yet his circle is filled with Evangelicals”.

    And therein lies a huge part of the problem. Evangelicals are not true Christians. Have you ever heard an Evangelical talk about “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and unto God what is God’s”?

    No, you haven’t, because the Evangelicals want to make this country a religious oligarchy. That’s why they home school their children or establish Evangelical sponsored schools. It is all about indoctrinating their children, hoping that they will grow up to be useful pawns for the religious state.

  92. This is some good dialogue good on. What bothers me is that the last thing these players and the rest of the people that hate Trump want is for Trump to do exactly what they ask. They will be afraid that it will get Trump and the Republicans a lot of votes. If Trump were to blanket pardon a lot of non-violent offenders over the age of 60, the New York Times would run articles in no time bashing Trump for throwing them back into society wholly unprepared to resume life outside of prison. There are a lot of Trump supporters though who would like to see many of the older, non-violent drug offenders be released.

  93. Here’s a deal for you:

    Go ahead and issue this blanket pardon.

    BUT it has to be accompanied by a 100% roll-back of gun control laws and policies, including the ban on automatic weapons, extending all the way down to state and local law enforcement. And implement Castle Doctrine in every state.

    That way we can at least protect ourselves against the criminals that are being released.

    You want radical change? WE the free, socially responsible, contributing members of society want radical change too.

  94. Tone deaf Harry says:
    June 21, 2018 at 10:16 am

    His point is that the outcry did not really pick up steam until it was found to be something that could be politicized as a way to bash Trump. Frankly those that found using it for Trump bashing to be the true value of the protest were just as disrespectful of the social concerns as those that openly condemned the protest. Both of those groups of people were completely missing the point.

    Its not lost on me that after it became a Trump bashing tool Trump himself made that worse all by himself, thats on him. He should have just stood back from this one. Opening his mouth on this matter at all was a foolish tactical choice.

    —–

    Trump wasn’t getting bashed on the Anthem issue until after he used the issue as a cheer-rousing tool at one of his rallies (watch the video….his body language before/during/after his comment says it all).

    There were plenty of reasons for bashing Trump, for those that choose to bash him, before he opened the floodgates on this one.

  95. jucam1 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 8:16 am
    Whenever Trump gets mentioned in an article on this site or really any other site I always makes the dumb mistake of reading the comments. I lose a little bit of faith in this country when I read them. I know that there are dumb, uneducated, or just insane people in every society. It’s just sad to see them all comment on articles like this at the same time. Anger and bitterness no matter what form it takes in your life is like a cancer. It consumes you and ends up affecting all aspects of your life. It’s pathetic and sad, I feel bad for you guys. The highlight of your days involves coming on sites like this to comment and let your anger out because your lives in the real world are disappointing. I see the same guys over and over again commenting the same types of comments. I hope it gets better and that you come across less sad, pathetic, and weak tomorrow. Mostly I hope you let go of all that anger.
    _____________________________________________

    Amen, brother.

  96. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 21, 2018 at 8:14 am
    Just shows how ridiculous these players are. It’s not about justice, it’s about the “struggle”. The President could pardon everyone and it wouldn’t be enough.

    Great example of the racist right wingers that support our bigot in Chief. How are we as a country ever going to move beyond the rampart decisive tribalism if we don’t start talking to each other. I realize this commentor is afraid his majority will be gone and wants to stay in charge, but it’s not going to happen and his fear is palatable….this commentor is probably in favor of separating children from their parents at the border…..Karma will find you
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    Cream puff radicals like you are the reason your candidates can’t win elections. Keep flapping your jaw so we keep winning. Thanks.

  97. Anyone that thinks because you subscribe to one of two political parties that you are “objective”, “fair” or “woke”…you need to wake up. Parroting talking points provided by biased media entities, social media posts and screaming celebrities is worthless. Identifying and discussing facts in a public forum is positive. Regurgitating lies, fake stories, made up narratives and then getting angry about it defeats the purpose and widens the gap of differences. How many lies or fake stats/stories are being posted? So many that people can’t even recognize the difference between someones biased opinion and fact. Its really disheartening.

  98. tball25 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 8:14 am
    Trump is an oligarch and a fascist. You are sheep for thinking that the USA is your private playground.

    Get a Constitution and read it. Close your collective mouths. You’re drooling on the carpet.

    Vote me down. I don’t care. This is where the imbeciles live.

    ====================================

    ZING

  99. “Therefore where are the stats to show that white people get lighter sentences when convicted of the same crimes? if that can be proven, most of us would side with the cause or at leas be sympathetic to it.”

    There are decades of studies proving exactly that. Just google it and you’ll see plenty of articles.

  100. A good appeal by the players, but it will never happen because IQ 45 won’t get a photo op with Kim Kardashian out of it and judging by a lot of the comments posted his white nationalist followers will be too scared to leave the house.

  101. Remember the good old days….
    When the economy was in the toilet.
    We were sending billions to Iran
    The FBI & DOJ were part of the deep state
    Cops were being shot in their cars
    Americans were being left to die in Benghazi
    Uranium was being sold to Russia
    And Obama was filling out NCAA brackets & dancing on Ellen

    TRUE DAT!!!

  102. Politics aside, you have the ear of the most powerful person in this country seeking your input on a serious issue in this country and they treat it like a joke?

    Shame on them.

    This guy has proven with his actions that if he can spin something in his favor, he will consider any request. Take some time, do some research and come up with a few names of deserving people.

    This opportunity doesn’t come up very often. It cost Jimmy Hoffa half a million cash to buy a Pardon from Nixon and this one is FREE!

    Don’t make some asinine request that can’t possibly be fulfilled.

  103. Cream puff radicals like you are the reason your candidates can’t win elections. Keep flapping your jaw so we keep winning. Thanks.

    Hardly a radical sonny just a Vet that’s tired of watching a bunch of dummies fed lies by Fox News. I am tired of racists like this commentor who subscribes to the theory that Trump doesn’t lie he just use hyperbole. The empty soul winning you may be doing now will end as it always done in this country but when it happens you will be in the minority hiding in a bunker with the NRA and Alt-right weenies. You have been exposed by the heartless treatment of children at the border and your tone deafness to the mistreatment of blacks in this country. Enjoy your winning but you will pay a price…..and it’s is coming due….stockpile your hideout junior.

  104. “The FIB & DOJ were part of the deep state”.

    Exactly how much tinfoil are you wearing on your head? How about explaining what you think the “deep state” is?

  105. cardinealsfan20 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 10:50 am
    “It’s not about justice, it’s about the “struggle”.

    Exactly how disappointed were you about your boy Trump yesterday? We all know how much joy you were getting from seeing those children in cages. Are you now going to turn against Trump because he went against your alt-right agenda? Or are you counting on this being another subterfuge and nothing really changing?
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    Learn how to spell Cardinal then get back to me.

  106. Reading extremist buzzwords gets tiring…Alt-Right, Fascist, Nazi, Oligarch, etc. You know how we can tell you really have no idea of what hate you are spewing? because when you can’t truly define the words or when you have no legitimate response with actual facts…realize you only project infantile anger and adolescent ignorance. Try to write down your “sides” attributes and deficiencies, then attempt use the apparent multitude of facts to state your “easy” argument. Can’t do that? Its because your consumed with hate and your opinion is as valid as those who you attack daily with ridiculous comparisons to evil and death you obviously know nothing about.

  107. The players come off as ungrateful fools. No other President has offered such an olive branch to whining athletes, who most of the fans will forget about the moment they leave the league. Instead of just writing the first part and being gracious for the opportunity, they went full SJW and ruined the moment with their incessant compaining. The President can’t waive a magic wand and end injustice. That’s up to Congress, you know, the people who create and pass laws. President Trump offered a deal he had the power to grant and these clown athletes should be grateful he made such a gesture to help right some wrongs.

  108. Wait a sec. How did anybody hear the player’s opinion on this matter? I’m told the only platform they have to be heard is the 2 minutes while the anthem plays at games.

  109. “Cream puff radicals like you are the reason your candidates can’t win elections. Keep flapping your jaw so we keep winning”.

    As the poster above said, you better stockpile your hideout junior. People who champion individual rights and justice for all people just might also believe in 2nd Amendment rights. Cleansing the gene pool of bigots is a noble cause.

  110. So now the only people incarcerated that knows someone famous will get consideration. This is a con folks! How about all the other innocent people behind bars? A pardon will not fix the broken justice system.

  111. keywestallyear says:

    Where was the request to the previous President, who served 8 years in office, for these “blanket pardons”? How upset are these players and the NFLPA that Obama did nothing of this sort while in office? Hmmmmmmmmmm.
    ===============================================

    Hell, back then you had Chuck Schumer praising the border fence that went up, and you had Hillary saying illegal children didn’t have a right to stay here.

    Times changed when their party went to the lowest level of power in history.

  112. Actually the whole “police brutality” thing was a smokescreen to take the heat off of Kaep’s original reason for kneeling…..because he got beat out by Blaine Gabbert.

    Only if it were that simple but you wouldn’t understand as you think Trump doesn’t lie he uses hyperbole. Stop watching Fox News and get a life because you displayed a willingness to be a racist and to be a bully. Trump is pushing this for political gain but you won’t learn that on State TV…Hannity lies more than Bigoted Donnie.

  113. THEIndependentVoice says:
    June 21, 2018 at 12:15 pm
    Reading extremist buzzwords gets tiring…Alt-Right, Fascist, Nazi, Oligarch, etc. You know how we can tell you really have no idea of what hate you are spewing? because when you can’t truly define the words or when you have no legitimate response with actual facts…realize you only project infantile anger and adolescent ignorance. Try to write down your “sides” attributes and deficiencies, then attempt use the apparent multitude of facts to state your “easy” argument. Can’t do that? Its because your consumed with hate and your opinion is as valid as those who you attack daily with ridiculous comparisons to evil and death you obviously know nothing about.

  114. Remember the good old days….
    When the economy was in the toilet.
    We were sending billions to Iran
    The FBI & DOJ were part of the deep state
    Cops were being shot in their cars
    Americans were being left to die in Benghazi
    Uranium was being sold to Russia
    And Obama was filling out NCAA brackets & dancing on Ellen

    TRUE DAT!!!

    ——

    proof that gaslighting really works.

  115. Listen to you clowns. Never once did I feel that King Pimple of a Man, our former President, ever cared for anyone who didn’t agree with him. He was an overt racist, spoke in code language, and hated America.

    At worst, Trump is giving the rest of America a taste of how we felt during Obama’s reign of terror on the Constitution.

    To borrow a phrase from King Pimple, “Elections have consequences.”

    Now shove your consequences.

  116. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 21, 2018 at 12:33 pm
    Actually the whole “police brutality” thing was a smokescreen to take the heat off of Kaep’s original reason for kneeling…..because he got beat out by Blaine Gabbert.

    Only if it were that simple but you wouldn’t understand as you think Trump doesn’t lie he uses hyperbole. Stop watching Fox News and get a life because you displayed a willingness to be a racist and to be a bully. Trump is pushing this for political gain but you won’t learn that on State TV…Hannity lies more than Bigoted Donnie.

    ——-

    I know Trump lies like a rug. So does Hillary….so did Obama or any Politician.

    Racism is not the issue here. It is only an issue for the feeble-minded that can make no substantive argument that stands on its own.

  117. So they couldn’t come up with anybody. Or even a couple people.

    I wonder if they are also for honest and equal wages. I say Malcolm and the boys should be paid the same as the last player taken in this years draft.

    These guys (some of them) have some good solid points that need to be addressed. However, when given a golden opportunity to make a statement they crumble like this.

    Blanket pardons, blanket wages okay?

  118. silvernblackpride says:
    June 21, 2018 at 11:33 am
    Remember the good old days….
    When the economy was in the toilet.
    We were sending billions to Iran
    The FBI & DOJ were part of the deep state
    Cops were being shot in their cars
    Americans were being left to die in Benghazi
    Uranium was being sold to Russia
    And Obama was filling out NCAA brackets & dancing on Ellen

    TRUE DAT!!!

    ——–

    Yeah…..it’s where Chuck, Nancy, CNN and MSNBC want to take us again….

  119. Drug crimes cause dependence, injury and death. These must be a consequence. Blanket pardons make no sense unless we decide as a country to legalize drug trafficking. Sure, cases where people are over sentenced or sentenced unfairly based on race should be reviewed and that is what President Trump has offered to do, but the players seem unwilling to work with the President. If the players take steps to work with the President then it may lead to more cooperation in the future.

  120. brwmstr says:
    June 21, 2018 at 10:21 am
    So the players are just to lazy to find specific examples of people that should be pardoned?? They admit that pardoning Alice Johnson is a good example but do not come up with any further good examples?? If “These injustices are so widespread as to seem practically written into our nation’s DNA.” one would think coming up with dozens of deserving cases would be extremely easy…. where are the examples?? Seems to me the players are copping out and NOT taking up the presidents offer. IF their argument truly had merit, they are being fools not take advantage of this very public opportunity…..SMH
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    I think that the clemency process, by responding to the wishes of celebrities, is already in danger of being a mockery of itself. To date, though most agree with that they were reasonable pardons, Sylvester Stallone and Kim Kardashian have successfully championed the granting of pardons. The clemency should be done to correct judicial overreach, not for political gain.

  121. I know Trump lies like a rug. So does Hillary….so did Obama or any Politician.

    Racism is not the issue here. It is only an issue for the feeble-minded that can make no substantive argument that stands on its own.

    As expected you are using your Fox News IQ to accept a man that lies to the American people 6 times a day on average. Don’t even try to compare him to Obama or any other politician. But the fact it doesn’t bother you……now that’s feeble minded.

  122. cardinealsfan20 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 12:19 pm
    “Cream puff radicals like you are the reason your candidates can’t win elections. Keep flapping your jaw so we keep winning”.

    As the poster above said, you better stockpile your hideout junior. People who champion individual rights and justice for all people just might also believe in 2nd Amendment rights. Cleansing the gene pool of bigots is a noble cause.
    —————————————

    LOL I’m pretty scared of people like you a the fake soldier fool running at me swinging your purses.

  123. Correct me if I’m wrong, put the pardon topic stems from the deeper issues of social injustice and flag-waving vs. kneeling. So, to remain on-topic, wouldn’t it have been relative to the conversation to identify a few draft dodgers and request pardons for them? Let’s finally give the US Bone Spur Corps the recognition it deserves.

  124. look under your seat everyBODY!

    you get a pardon…you get a pardon…yes, you also get a pardon!

    pardon for you. one for you! and you, and you, and YOU get a paaaardoooon!

  125. First, it would be interesting to see how many of the folks that posted comments actually read the piece before they commented. Second, the players might be calling the president’s bluff, but they did respond to his offer. Finally, the ball is in the president’s court (so to say)…if he doesn’t respond it will prove that all his histrionics about a lack of patriotism was just to rile up his base (which is what I’m going with at this point).

  126. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 21, 2018 at 1:14 pm
    I know Trump lies like a rug. So does Hillary….so did Obama or any Politician.

    Racism is not the issue here. It is only an issue for the feeble-minded that can make no substantive argument that stands on its own.

    As expected you are using your Fox News IQ to accept a man that lies to the American people 6 times a day on average. Don’t even try to compare him to Obama or any other politician. But the fact it doesn’t bother you……now that’s feeble minded.

    ——–

    I only compare them in that they all lie. Otherwise, unlike the last guy, Trump is actually accomplishing things that are good for the country. I didn’t vote for him but I do appreciate his policies. Like allowing Veterans to see any physician they want. Or allowing the terminally ill to seek out and use unapproved experimental treatments. Those are good things are they not?

  127. redclaw1314 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 1:05 pm
    Drug crimes cause dependence, injury and death. These must be a consequence. Blanket pardons make no sense unless we decide as a country to legalize drug trafficking. Sure, cases where people are over sentenced or sentenced unfairly based on race should be reviewed and that is what President Trump has offered to do, but the players seem unwilling to work with the President. If the players take steps to work with the President then it may lead to more cooperation in the future.
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    Your legalizing drug trafficking argument doesn’t make sense. If street drugs were legalized there wouldn’t be a black market for them, thus drug traffickers would be out of business.

  128. As a side note. Once Trump sorts your boarders and illegals out he needs to come across to Europe and show these open boarder, let’s let everybody in do gooders how to protect their country. And the NFL had better beware because if things don t improve the first franchise outside of the US will be the London Islamic State Head Loppers.

  129. Everybody is not racist, and nobody is pushing the narrative that everybody is racist. It’s just that people who act like racism doesn’t exist are typically racists — and no you can’t be racist if you don’t have the power to oppress anyone. Now with that being said, there’s no doubt that there’s huge contingency of people who hate the idea of a black man making more money than them/ being in positions of importance. This thread is example A

  130. I only compare them in that they all lie. Otherwise, unlike the last guy, Trump is actually accomplishing things that are good for the country. I didn’t vote for him but I do appreciate his policies. Like allowing Veterans to see any physician they want. Or allowing the terminally ill to seek out and use unapproved experimental treatments. Those are good things are they not?

    1
    Past posts indicate you have children and i would love to know how you handle lying in those teachable moments you have. Do you tell its ok to lie if it gets you what you want and do you tell them its ok for a man to assault a woman if he wants to or if its ok to make fun of a handicapped person…… there is more but i just want to know what price your kids will pay to give up their morals and ethics. Don’t even want to know what you are telling them about race…i just ate and enjoyed my lunch going down.

  131. I agree with the players completely. Of course, kneeling on a football field is a coward’s move. As the old saying goes, actions are stronger than words and kneeling on the ground isn’t necessarily an action.

  132. It is almost hard to find the words sometimes, it truly is, but I will try to unpack the statement from the players. Let me preface this by saying I think he was 100% correct in pardoning Alice Johnson and extending an olive branch to the players was the right thing to do….no good deed goes unpunished. Their asinine response was one that was completely out of touch with reality and ultimately, nothing but a big virtue signal. If they were serious they would look into specific cases that could merit a pardon. While we do have one of the best (probably the best) criminal justice system in the world it can never be perfect and as a result innocent people do get locked up on occasion(a lot of guilty go free as well, but that’s a topic for another day). These high profile players would find a line of capable Attorneys about a mile long if they needed assistance finding the right cases, plus I’m sure the ACLU and other groups would be happy to lend a hand. But, no instead of accepting a more than reasonable offer that would right some serious wrongs their preference is to “resist!” This is about protesting Trump and nothing more…if he comes up with a positive solution to help what they allege to be protesting against how can they resist, skip White House ceremonies or (most importantly) kneel?!

    Let’s review: 1) a “blanket pardon” for up to 79,000 federal inmates! Are they insane??? I mean, truly certifiable? Or just that out of touch with reality….just because you are serving time for a “non violent offense” does not mean you are a non violent offender..or the crime that person committed wasn’t of a violent nature. Most cases never go to trial and end with a plea deal. Many of these deals can be for lesser offenses. Also, I hate to point out the obvious, but how do you think Trump’s base will react to him pardoning 10% of that pool of inmates? It would still be sending 7900 criminals back into society…not a good way to get votes.
    2) ending life without parole for “non violent offenses” If someone is serving that harsh of a sentence the “non violent” part is likely a technicality…plus this is something that (please correct me if I am wrong) would not fall within the power of his office. I think this would go to Congress.

    I could go on but I am sure you get the picture. Their demands are unrealistic…and that is putting it mildly. Typical spoiled athletes don’t care if tens of thousands of criminals are set free to prey on the rest of us; as long as it does not affect them, wh should they care?! This is what happens when you draw your line in the sand to the point where your echo chamber becomes one aligned with social and cultural Marxism/Critical Theory (not to be confused with critical thinking…)You ruin the game we all love based on a 2nd rate playeer virtue signalling to impress his BLM girlfriend (and probably his Black Father he never knew) because he was benched. Then you follow a false narrative that Police are all out victimizing Black people,when that whole premise is proven false time after time. In isolated cases, yes it does happen, just not systemically.

    I agree to a certain degree, we should ease up on non violent drug offenses (actual ones) and make wholesale changes to policies made in the “war on drugs” which, despite having good intentions has always been a farce. The players could have done some real good here, gotten some innocent people (and others who have gone beyond paying their debt to society)set free to be reunited with their families, but they turned that opportunity down. Shame on them, because they now made several of the people they claim to be fighting for their victims.

  133. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 21, 2018 at 2:44 pm

    Past posts indicate you have children and i would love to know how you handle lying in those teachable moments you have. Do you tell its ok to lie if it gets you what you want and do you tell them its ok for a man to assault a woman if he wants to or if its ok to make fun of a handicapped person…… there is more but i just want to know what price your kids will pay to give up their morals and ethics. Don’t even want to know what you are telling them about race…i just ate and enjoyed my lunch going down.
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    It’s funny when a leftist fake soldier gets on a soap box and preaches about morals and ethics and children. The party of Bill, Hillary, Barry and Planned Parenthood can take their speeches about morals, ethics, and caring about the kids and shove it!

  134. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 21, 2018 at 1:14 pm
    I know Trump lies like a rug. So does Hillary….so did Obama or any Politician.

    Racism is not the issue here. It is only an issue for the feeble-minded that can make no substantive argument that stands on its own.

    As expected you are using your Fox News IQ to accept a man that lies to the American people 6 times a day on average. Don’t even try to compare him to Obama or any other politician. But the fact it doesn’t bother you……now that’s feeble minded.
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    Yeah, so… I have NO IDEA why there’s so much tension and anger around this issue. Right? “Why can’t we just have open, honest discussions about these critical issues?” Right? GEE, it’s a mystery isn’t it?

    Whatever Trump or other posters on this board may be, make no mistake: YOU are a racist and a bigot, driven by nothing but rage and hate. YOU are the problem, and you are causing far more harm than good to whatever cause you think you’re supporting.

    So if you are looking for someone to blame for the mess this country is in in terms of racial and political division, take a long hard look at a mirror, buddy.

  135. cardinealsfan20 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 12:19 pm
    “Cream puff radicals like you are the reason your candidates can’t win elections. Keep flapping your jaw so we keep winning”.

    As the poster above said, you better stockpile your hideout junior. People who champion individual rights and justice for all people just might also believe in 2nd Amendment rights. Cleansing the gene pool of bigots is a noble cause.
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    To me the noblest course is cleansing the gene pool of idiots. So bring it. And when you do, you’d BETTER bring your A game, bub, because it ain’t gonna be like a golf game at Martha’s Vineyard.

    You should probably change out of your transgender clothes so you don’t trip over yourself. And use a tough clear coat on those fingernails or you might get a chip.

  136. @jcashman23 If you’d actually read the player’s op-ed, you would know that they did not propose a 79000 person blanket pardon.

    They mentioned a blanket pardon for nonviolent offenders who have already served long sentences.

    79000 was provided for overall contrast to the overall federal prison population. Those offenders aren’t all old and haven’t all served a long time.

    They mentioned that there were 5400 compassionate release applications, against a few hundred approvals .

    In detail what they suggested was the release of non-violent offenders OVER 60 with convictions that are not recent.

    They also suggested eliminating the penalty of life without parole for nonviolent offenses.

    And finally, NONE of what they said were DEMANDS. They aren’t holding hostages. They weren’t promising to end protests if they get it. He asked for suggestions (albeit he wanted token symbolic ones so his supporters would be able to say he listened without actually having to change a thing). They explained how they see the issue, and the type and scale of change they feel would be progress and within his power.

    It doesn’t mean they think he’ll do it.

    To sum up, they didn’t ask for what you say they did, they did not demand it, and it is only unrealistic in that they know Trump will not consider it (and many other presidents would not either, for political reasons).

  137. 345snarkavenue says:
    June 21, 2018 at 11:05 am
    nhpats says:
    June 21, 2018 at 10:53 am

    Actually the whole “police brutality” thing was a smokescreen to take the heat off of Kaep’s original reason for kneeling…..because he got beat out by Blaine Gabbert.

    ——

    you may be right in respect to Kaep. but then do you think all the other players in the league were kneeling/raising fists/hand on another’s shoulder….because Kaep got beat out by Gabbert?

    I’m really curious.

    ——

    @nhpats

    I’m going to assume you didn’t see my earlier post. I’m still curious.

  138. endtimesparty says:
    June 21, 2018 at 10:26 am
    Drugs are a symptom. I cannot take the war on drugs seriously until we fix the economic and social injustices that keep people from their true vocation.
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    Then go get a job and love your neighbor.

    Because YOUR ideas (meaning all liberals) on how to “fix” these “problems” are based in abject ignorance and no small amount of insanity.

    So the grown-ups say no, and you throw tantrums on tv.

  139. A blanket pardon might not be workable as there are obviously going to be some individuals that have other considerations that may not make them good pardon prospects but I think a blanket commutation of sentences from life without parole to life with parole to make them all parole eligible immediately which would let parole boards look at inmates on a case by case basis and then release a good number of them, maybe even most, on parole which would give them some chance at a life.

  140. cardinealsfan20 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 11:09 am
    … the Evangelicals want to make this country a religious oligarchy. That’s why they home school their children or establish Evangelical sponsored schools. It is all about indoctrinating their children, hoping that they will grow up to be useful pawns for the religious state.
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    Let’s recap. You’ve been lecturing and bullying everyone here about how we need to root out bigotry in this country. And then we see a post that reveals the truth about you: The person screaming loudest against bigotry is himself a bigot of the lowest form.

    This is why we treat liberals like children. Because you’re like children. Tell me, why is it that your hypocrisy is THIS obvious to the world but you can’t see it yourself?

    Before you criticize your neighbor for the splinter in his eye, you must first remove the plank from your own.

    Of course, you won’t have any idea where that statement comes from, even though you’re cool with publicly berating Evangelicals because you yourself have it all figured out. Right?

  141. So he asks for specifics and they say everyone! Not the best response as it lacks any specificity. Do the work. Write 100 names on a piece of paper that represents real people. To say everyone, will help absolutely nobody. These guys are rich. They can’t throw a couple hundred grand together to fund some law school to do the research? FCOL, that took me 5 seconds to come up with. These guys could have really put the screws to the President but they gave him the easy way out.

  142. You have to have a brain the size of a peanut to think Kap kneeled because he lost his spot to Blaine Gabbert. Honestly, that’s the saddest and most ignorant thing you could possibly force yourself to believe.

  143. So if you are looking for someone to blame for the mess this country is in in terms of racial and political division, take a long hard look at a mirror, buddy.

    I looked in the mirror and saw a gray haired white dude that served in Viet Nam and witnessed that everyone’s blood is red but many hate others who don’t look like them. If you can’t see that Trump is a racist then I can’t help you…I suggest you turn off Fox and open your eyes to what is really going on. While some black crime is crime not every black suspected of a crime needs to be gunned down. Yes they need to cooperate, but put yourself in their shoes for one minute and history gives them reason to doubt the cops.. I have a mirror for you but your sheet might cause problems seeing a reflection.

  144. eaglesfanalways says:
    June 21, 2018 at 1:32 pm
    First, it would be interesting to see how many of the folks that posted comments actually read the piece before they commented. Second, the players might be calling the president’s bluff, but they did respond to his offer. Finally, the ball is in the president’s court (so to say)…if he doesn’t respond it will prove that all his histrionics about a lack of patriotism was just to rile up his base (which is what I’m going with at this point).
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    Buddy, at this point even Kim Jong Un knows President Trump doesn’t bluff. You’re the only one in the dark.

    And what do you mean “finally” the ball is in his court? It was in his court already, and he stepped up and offered the players a seat at the table.

    They told him to pound sand. Because apparently they’re not willing to accept aid in their cause unless it’s on their terms and their terms alone.

    So once again. scrap it all because it’s not worth it. Attempts by a Republicans to reach across the divide become ammo for the left’s twisted games.

    So stop the attempts.

  145. 345snarkavenue says:
    June 21, 2018 at 3:40 pm
    345snarkavenue says:
    June 21, 2018 at 11:05 am
    nhpats says:
    June 21, 2018 at 10:53 am

    Actually the whole “police brutality” thing was a smokescreen to take the heat off of Kaep’s original reason for kneeling…..because he got beat out by Blaine Gabbert.

    ——

    you may be right in respect to Kaep. but then do you think all the other players in the league were kneeling/raising fists/hand on another’s shoulder….because Kaep got beat out by Gabbert?

    I’m really curious.

    ——

    @nhpats

    I’m going to assume you didn’t see my earlier post. I’m still curious.

    ————

    I did not….sorry. This thread is getting pretty long!

    I believe most of the players have genuine concerns for police brutality. We all should…..even a single instance of abuse of power is too much. I also believe they should find a better means to make their point.

  146. nevyn49 says:
    June 21, 2018 at 3:35 pm
    And finally, NONE of what they said were DEMANDS. They aren’t holding hostages. They weren’t promising to end protests if they get it. He asked for suggestions (albeit he wanted token symbolic ones so his supporters would be able to say he listened without actually having to change a thing). They explained how they see the issue, and the type and scale of change they feel would be progress and within his power.
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    Incorrect sir. They are absolutely demands because they’re backed by threats. The veiled threat is that they’ll continue their best efforts to score cheap political points against the President in the media until he caves. They’ll continue to agitate those they’ve convinced are oppressed until he caves.

    Unfortunately for the players, President Trump knows that even if he caves it won’t stop the media blitz onslaught AND he’d then be catching even more vehement crap from other directions.

    I’m afraid you SJWs are dealing with one of the shrewdest negotiators I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen many. This man’s understanding of cause and effect in situations like this borders on super-human. So good luck with that.

  147. I did not….sorry. This thread is getting pretty long!

    I believe most of the players have genuine concerns for police brutality. We all should…..even a single instance of abuse of power is too much. I also believe they should find a better means to make their point.

    —–

    thank you, I appreciate your honesty and in fact since the league started their outreach program, I tend to agree with this statement, even if I disagree on a lot of other things.

  148. @nofoolnodrool

    I’ve had a number of disagreements with you in the past, but I stand by you on the core issue being discussed here. and when I bring in my flag at sunset tonight I’ll nod in thanks for your service.

  149. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 21, 2018 at 4:12 pm
    So if you are looking for someone to blame for the mess this country is in in terms of racial and political division, take a long hard look at a mirror, buddy.

    I looked in the mirror and saw a gray haired white dude that served in Viet Nam and witnessed that everyone’s blood is red but many hate others who don’t look like them. If you can’t see that Trump is a racist then I can’t help you…I suggest you turn off Fox and open your eyes to what is really going on. While some black crime is crime not every black suspected of a crime needs to be gunned down. Yes they need to cooperate, but put yourself in their shoes for one minute and history gives them reason to doubt the cops.. I have a mirror for you but your sheet might cause problems seeing a reflection.
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    1. You lie, but you spin a good yarn. Thanks for that.

    2. I don’t need your help buddy. Too much of your kind of help will put a guy in an early grave.

    3. EVERYONE has reason to doubt the cops. Everyone. Nobody here labors under the delusion that they’re pristine, because we’ve ALL had bad experiences.

    4. Dealing with people like you is pushing me towards the sheet, and has already pushed many others into it. Is that your goal, enraged race-baiter?

    I’m starting to think it IS your goal, which leads me to believe you’re a Russian troll sent to butt heads and piss off as many people as you can in an effort to undermine the greatest nation on earth.

    But that’s ok, because I never believe a word libs say anyway. So keep on havin’ fun with it.

  150. It’s funny when a leftist fake soldier gets on a soap box and preaches about morals and ethics and children. The party of Bill, Hillary, Barry and Planned Parenthood can take their speeches about morals, ethics, and caring about the kids and shove it!

    That response is prove of why Trump got elected….I remember the kids who didn’t pay attention in school or listen to the teacher or their parents hence their ability to know right from wrong was impaired. You keep supporting your Lying Bigot President who has a heart colder than a prostitute on pay day who treats women like meat. Your lack of compassion for your fellow man is the trademark of a sick person…..and a Trump supporter. My god bless your little pea pickin soul.

  151. Incorrect sir. They are absolutely demands because they’re backed by threats. The veiled threat is that they’ll continue their best efforts to score cheap political points against the President in the media until he caves. They’ll continue to agitate those they’ve convinced are oppressed until he caves.

    Unfortunately for the players, President Trump knows that even if he caves it won’t stop the media blitz onslaught AND he’d then be catching even more vehement crap from other directions.

    I’m afraid you SJWs are dealing with one of the shrewdest negotiators I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen many. This man’s understanding of cause and effect in situations like this borders on super-human. So good luck with that.

    =================

    The players did not involve the president. He sought to score cheap political points off THEM, first by wading into the anthem controversy.

    And then by ASKING THEM WHO HE SHOULD pardon.

    They aren’t demands, they are a response to his question.

    He involved himself. They were not going after him. He picked the issue to rile up fools like you. And now he is trying to broaden his pardon use to dilute the story of the sketchy pardons he has issued, and try to make it look like he tried to hear out players he went after for no reason.

    And you don’t need players to score political points on this president. He scores 50 own goals a day, and is only able to survive it thanks to fools like you.

  152. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 21, 2018 at 4:12 pm
    So if you are looking for someone to blame for the mess this country is in in terms of racial and political division, take a long hard look at a mirror, buddy.

    I looked in the mirror and saw a gray haired white dude that served in Viet Nam and witnessed that everyone’s blood is red but many hate others who don’t look like them. If you can’t see that Trump is a racist then I can’t help you…I suggest you turn off Fox and open your eyes to what is really going on. While some black crime is crime not every black suspected of a crime needs to be gunned down. Yes they need to cooperate, but put yourself in their shoes for one minute and history gives them reason to doubt the cops.. I have a mirror for you but your sheet might cause problems seeing a reflection.

    ——-

    If you were honest with yourself when you looked in the mirror you would see a very angry gray-haired white guy who is weak-minded and divisive. Trump’s policies on immigration have nothing to do with “race” despite Liberals’ constant attempts to make them so. They have to do with constraining who enters our country to those people who do so legally. A policy that until Trump, Democrats like Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Nanci Pelosi and even Barack Obama also supported.

    But hey, you keep crying “racism” and enjoy 6 1/2 more years of Trump.

  153. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 21, 2018 at 4:12 pm
    So if you are looking for someone to blame for the mess this country is in in terms of racial and political division, take a long hard look at a mirror, buddy.

    I looked in the mirror and saw a gray haired white dude that served in Viet Nam and witnessed that everyone’s blood is red but many hate others who don’t look like them. If you can’t see that Trump is a racist then I can’t help you…I suggest you turn off Fox and open your eyes to what is really going on. While some black crime is crime not every black suspected of a crime needs to be gunned down. Yes they need to cooperate, but put yourself in their shoes for one minute and history gives them reason to doubt the cops.. I have a mirror for you but your sheet might cause problems seeing a reflection.
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    Being a fake soldier doesn’t excuse you being a bleeding heart pinko commie snowflake with a big mouth.

  154. Nofoolnodrool says:
    June 21, 2018 at 4:36 pm
    It’s funny when a leftist fake soldier gets on a soap box and preaches about morals and ethics and children. The party of Bill, Hillary, Barry and Planned Parenthood can take their speeches about morals, ethics, and caring about the kids and shove it!

    That response is prove of why Trump got elected….I remember the kids who didn’t pay attention in school or listen to the teacher or their parents hence their ability to know right from wrong was impaired. You keep supporting your Lying Bigot President who has a heart colder than a prostitute on pay day who treats women like meat. Your lack of compassion for your fellow man is the trademark of a sick person…..and a Trump supporter. My god bless your little pea pickin soul.
    __________________________________________

    This is what happens when you confront liberals.

    Buddy, you’ve been triggered hard and you’re off the rails.

    here’s a clue on what doesn’t work AT ALL: 1) Lectures on morality form the party of ZERO personal accountability. 2) References to souls from the party that sold theirs decades ago.

    Your best bet now is to turn off the computer and sleep off all that whiskey and weed because now you’re out of your mind.

  155. This is a human rights issue which is bigger than party politics. If whatever side you choose to vote for prevents you from seeing the bigger picture, you’re most likely a disillusioned bigot. So many people on this post trying to tell black people how to feel about their dealings with law enforcement and it’s insane. Last time I checked, the Ku Klux Klan was alive and well and there are members of law enforcement with it.

  156. The players did not involve the president. He sought to score cheap political points off THEM, first by wading into the anthem controversy.

    And then by ASKING THEM WHO HE SHOULD pardon.

    They aren’t demands, they are a response to his question.

    He involved himself.
    __________________________________________________________

    Now you’re just being deliberately obtuse. Either that or you actually believe your own tripe, which is an even scarier prospect.

    The players involved the president of the United States of America, the Commander in Chief of the armed forces, when they chose to try to make a lame statement by displaying disgust and contempt for the the nation he represents in a HIGHLY public and visible way. The President has every right – and some would say a duty – to address something like that.

    Obama inserted himself directly into so many hot-button issues I can’t even count them all but we’ll use Trayvon, Michale Brown and the Cambridge police as just a few examples.

    Now I’m going to hold my breath while you you mercilessly berate Obama and tell me all about how that makes him a racist loudmouth.

    I’m all ears, awaiting your earnest attempt at consistency.

  157. Al Capone was convicted of on violent crimes….. should have been pardoned

    Everyone keeps saying it’s so bad, but no one gives examples……everybody knows reverse discrimination does not exists
    Fake news every one believes it
    Does discrimination really exist, yes it does
    Do cops kill people the should not, yes it happens.
    Most of the time the person is not complying with the officers…..what, black, red, yellow…. usually it’s a bad cop or a scared cop…. you do know their job is dangerous…… by the way because of this junk good people are not becoming officers…. only short man syndrome and ……As Martin Luther King put it charge comes by love, you can not force change…..it will only go
    A movement by all the people would get changed in Officer training
    As Pink Floyd put it The division bell is ringing
    If we don’t come together folks it’s going to get bad
    Walk down a black street with a white lives matter and you’ll see racism is on both sides
    If I ported at your mothers funeral would you say I had the right to…….the anthem is when we all stand together as a country, this country is not bigoted people are……the way this is going is not helping anyone…..it is just dividing us

  158. Just wanted to point out those are valid ideas and apply to everyone. There are thousands of low-income Caucasians caught up in the system too that don’t have the means to afford a good lawyer. Money talks in this country and those private prisons need revenue to keep shareholders happy…

  159. oldmanbirdman says:
    June 21, 2018 at 5:35 pm
    Al Capone was convicted of on violent crimes….. should have been pardoned

    —————————

    Al Capone was convicted and sentenced to only 11 years (at age 42), and was compassionately released after only 8.

    So maybe that example doesn’t mean what you thought it did.

  160. Let’s get Bernie Maddoff a pardon. He committed non-violent crimes and is 80! Of course, Bernie ruined many lives and was even the cause of suicides. The concept of drug offenders being issued a blanket parole would negate the purpose of minimum mandatory sentences. Judges hate these but politicians love them. Many drug dealers are convicted of non-violent crimes but are suspected of committing numerous violent crimes. They are predators taken off of the street through convictions for peripheral crimes. Why do these players want drug dealers to be given leniency. Why won’t they give president Trump more credit for the pardons he has given and his directive to the Federal Bureau of Prisons to re-engineer their practices. Is dumping repeat offender drug runners and pushers their idea of social justice?

  161. I just read the Jamie Winston saga! Now the league is probably going to discipline him. What is the difference between the NFL’s punishment for Jamie’s “sexual assault”, which really just a battery violation of Florida law, and the court issuing a minimum mandatory to a drug dealer. The NFL is just as guilty of ignoring social justice as Obama was! Oh, I forgot there were no social justice issues before Trump won.

  162. Am I the only one that has never ever seen a smile on President Donald J Trump’s face? Every photo I have seen of him wreaks of discontent. II know, it’s the Democrats fault.

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