Odell Beckham definitely should hold out

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The New York Football Giants, a bedrock NFL franchise, have negotiated thousands of player contracts over the decades. Giants receiver Odell Beckham Jr., who received a slotted rookie deal in 2014, has negotiated as a practical matter none. And the Giants surely have been banking on that imbalance in lowballing Beckham.

That’s why Beckham needs to hold out of training camp. It’s his only real leverage and, given his other options to force the Giants to pay Beckham what he deserves, it’s his only real choice.

If he shows up as a show of good faith and talks go nowhere, he can’t leave. Well, he can leave. But the Giants would hold all the cards.

A player who reports and then departs opens the door for the so-called “five-day letter,” which advises the player that if he doesn’t return within (wait for it) five days, the team can then put him on the reserve/left squad list, shutting down his season and tolling his contract for a full year.

In Beckham’s case, this would mean he’ll still be working under the fifth-year option — and he’ll still be a full season from free agency or the franchise tag — in 2019.

Beckham also could try to “hold in,” which in his case would entail showing up but refusing to practice until he has a contract. That position quickly would amount to conduct detrimental to the team, exposing him to fines and suspensions and other problems somewhat akin to what Terrell Owens experienced in Philadelphia 13 years ago.

Based on how Beckham handled the offseason program (showing up but not really doing anything), and given his statement from a week ago that he plans to report for camp, Beckham probably has been contemplating a report-but-refuse-to-participate-in-team-drills approach. The news that a holdout remains on the table likely indicates that his representatives hope to persuade Beckham that it’s much better to not show up than to show up and not work.

So will Beckham show up? Again, he shouldn’t. And the team needs to know now that he won’t, which would make the start of training camp a very real deadline in a deadline-driven industry.

The core question remains whether Beckham is wired to withstand a holdout. Last year, when he stayed away from offseason workouts due to his contract status (but never admitted that was the reason for it), Beckham seemed to be ultra-sensitive about any and all criticism regarding not-really-a-holdout holdout.

Indeed, Beckham blocked the PFT Twitter account simply because I repeatedly said that he should explain why he’s not participating in offseason workouts, so that the fans will understand why he’s not there.

We nevertheless support his quest to be paid what he deserves. The owners have made, and will continue to make (without any actual physical or business risk), billions. The NFL’s best and most popular players individually have one or two chances to make the millions they deserve.

And they have limited tools for forcing a recalcitrant team to pay up. For Beckham, the best (only) option is to not show up for training camp. While many who simply don’t get it would give him a hard time for doing it, those who understand the realities of the situation will — and should — support him.

107 responses to “Odell Beckham definitely should hold out

  1. You’re right about the owners, Florio. When I look at MLB and the NBA, those leagues look more like a partnership between players and owners. The NFL is Masters (owners) and Serfs (players) and then you throw in a league Commissioner, who is in the news more than either of them (for all the wrong reasons), and that’s the cherry on top as to why the NFL is so screwed up.

  2. So basically a guy that works his ass off and slotted in the same year, but maybe less money, should show up but this jack ass should get more money just because he’s a star. You do realize there’s a CBA, right?

  3. Maybe I’ll try holding out at my job because I’ve outworked my salary. I’ll let you guys know how that turns out.

  4. Disagree that he should hold out. The Giants know that he has to come in at some point to get his accrued season. All OB would accomplish is throwing away 2/3 of his 8.4 mil. Besides, the Giants only have about 7 mil under the cap. Even if you subtract this yrs salary and give him a contract, their still kind of stuck. Guys like MEvans and DHopkins have 18 mil cap hits and OB would probably get more. Being on the player’s side is one thing, but it has to make some sense for the team as well.

  5. OBJ does have a lot of talent.

    He’s also a head case.

    So what his talent is worth needs to be tempered with his attitude.

    I wouldn’t extend him, I’d make him play out his contract.

  6. Kirk Cousins (not a fan of his) used his lack of a contract he liked to leverage himself into quite the series of paydays.
    So has Sam Bradford.
    Wait it out, work hard and sign nothing until payday and poof….. crazy rich.

  7. Good thing you’re not a GM, you would be in cap hell for life. You want everyone making 25 million

  8. Aaron Donald would be stupid not to do the same. I mean, miss games-refuse to put his health on the line any longer until he’s signed to a long term contract.

  9. Nope. Couldn’t possibly support him in a holdout. Report, do the work, earn the respect of your teammates, employer, and fans. He needs to get past the diva, hothead, and at least a little injury-prone stage. Play to the end of your existing contract or show your intent to do so and the money will follow.

  10. Many players are backing, in fact, encouraging him to hold out. Particularly those from The Cowboys, the Eagles, and the Redskins.

  11. I think OBJ should just stick with his plan. Show up but just say his leg still hurt so he can’t practice like everybody else even though the doctor cleared him months ago to fully participate. That way it’ll make ownership do the right thing and pull out their checkbook and give OBJ his big cash money. Stay the course Odell. Ownership will cave. Remember your leg still hurt real bad

  12. All you idiots saying he should “show up and work hard” don’t understand that the Giants have no intention of ever signing him to a long-term contract. They will do what the Steelers did: one year option, franchise tag, then franchise tag, then let him walk in his late 20s, when he can finally cash in IF he’s healthy by then. This offers zero long term security in a career as dangerous as pro football.

    First round picks get absolutely screwed with the one year option. The NFLPA has some serious work to do in the next negotiations.

  13. Why do people on boards not understand their jobs and professional athletes jobs are very different. And number two why do people on boards not understand the owners choose not to honor a contract term more often than the handful of nfl stars out there. I get you are annoyed your star player might not suit up, but it’s just silly to think Beck does not have every right to maximize income during his playing career.

  14. Don’t forget the team can fine OBJ $40 stacks every day if he hold out. It’s better to show up and pretend his leg still hurt like he been doing. You still show team you mean business without risking fines. Go get your cake Odell!

  15. You know what gives obj more leverage than holding out? Actually outplaying his contract. Not just being a diva off the field that goes on boat trips instead of preparing for his first (and only) playoff game.

  16. I think all players should get some level of minimum contract based upon position, with performance and results incentives.
    In OBJ’s case, say a $2 million base, $4 million for 100 catches, $4 million for 1500 yards, $4 million for 25 tds, $1 million for the NFC championship, $2 million for a SB win. Voila, he makes $17 million salary for the year.
    Do the same for all players. Any money left over under the cap goes to social justice causes dear to the players hearts. A win-win situation for all involved, ans, the billionaire owners do not get to pocket any additional proceeds.

  17. It’s his only real leverage and, given his other options to force the Giants to pay Beckham what he deserves, it’s his only real choice.

    What he deserves?

  18. Ralphie said:”

    You’re right about the owners, Florio. When I look at MLB and the NBA, those leagues look more like a partnership between players and owners. The NFL is Masters (owners) and Serfs (players) and then you throw in a league Commissioner, who is in the news more than either of them (for all the wrong reasons), and that’s the cherry on top as to why the NFL is so screwed up.”

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    You do realize that the rosters in the NFL are significantly larger than in the NBA, MLB, and NHL. They also play far fewer games in the NFL as well.

  19. Major injury last season, Evidence of offseason drug use, general stupid behavior on and off the field. Yeah Sure, sounds like a great time to hold out for more money

  20. It’s obvious Giants ownership has no intention of paying him any more than the bare minimum they can get away with. It’s also obvious they are terrible without him, and might still be with him.

    If their billionaire owner wants to convince his customers that he’s not Jim Irsay and actually wants to field a competitive team he should stop being so cheap, Odell has already made him plenty of money.

    Of course if the OL moves they finally made this offseason don’t work out and they can’t run block or pass block against anyone like the last 5 years none of it actually matters.

    Owners don’t care about players or fans, they care about money which they were either born into or and acquired dishonest underhanded methods, not by working hard, having integrity, “honoring contracts” or any of that nonsense they’d have you believe.

    If you believe Odell would be “taken care of” by the Giants if he worked hard, played out his contract and multiple franchise tags and then got injured before he finally hit free agency, you probably believe you can become a billionaire by working hard for them.

    One could argue that all football players are “overpaid” but the fact is football generates a ton of revenue and people pay to see the players, not the money grubber owners. Don’t be sour if you werent born with the gifts and spent a lifetime developing the skills and fitness to do the job. If you’re capable of supplying that demand, show up to a team’s camp and show it.

  21. He should totally hold out. Hold out all the way through Training camp. He’ll come back, be out of rhythm, probably pull a hamstring that will bother him all season and have a crappy year….so I say go for it!

  22. They’re sticking with Eli Manning, so it’s hard to say that they care about winning with a straight face. Why would they sign him to a multiyear deal when they have they guy with the silly string arm throwing him the ball, and no QB of the future? They will franchise him every year until he gets hurt, or until Eli retires or is cut.

  23. If I held out where I work, under a collective bargaining agreement, I would be fired. People need to realize that these guys work FOR the owners and if they don’t like the terms of their employment, they don’t have to work there. An owner should never be strapped down by an employee on how he runs HIS business. They are being paid a decent wage to do a job and if they aren’t happy with it, do like the rest of us have to do…..leave.

  24. Why do people assume he’s getting franchised in 2019 if the Giants dont extend him this year?
    They may need to tag Landon next year.

  25. There’s a bit of a salary cap issue here. The Giants have enough room to sign Barkley and then they are right up against the cap. Not only would they need to be creative in structuring his contract and restructuring others, they need to worry about the 2019 cap as well.

  26. Ths isn’t rocket science. Accruing a season is a must. Otherwise the CBA put the league and teams in the drivers seat. You’ve got 1 year left on your contract, then 2 years more that they can keep you. Save your money until then, and if all goes well cash in and live the high life forevermore. Yah baby!!

  27. If he thinks he can get paid, by all means hold out. He could get cut at any time or get hurt. The window is small and not many other people on the planet can do what he does. No fault in trying to max out your value

  28. I normally suggest that highly underpaid superstars should hold out who were drafted too low (old examples: Russell Wilson, Antonio Gates, Tony Romo). Being an ex-1st round draft pick, Beckham is set for a good payday in 2018 of 8.5 million. Beckham has missed 17 games in 4 years, is injury prone, has poor judgement, is coming off a fractured ankle, and is arguably goofy. Beckham would already be signed to a monster long term contract if he could have shown just a little professional behavior in the past. For now I would remind him that 8.5 million can still impress a lot of Instagram models, buy a lot of pizza, and stuff to place on mirrors.

  29. giantsfan82 says:
    June 23, 2018 at 12:13 pm
    Maybe I’ll try holding out at my job because I’ve outworked my salary. I’ll let you guys know how that turns out.
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    Are you one of the 10 best at what you do in the world?
    Are you the best at your job in the city you live in?
    If the answer is no to any of the above questions, shut up & go to work.
    Otherwise damn a salary that reflects your talent & position

  30. Beckham probably has been contemplating a report-but-refuse-to-participate-in-team-drills approach.
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    We used to call that malingering and it had a negative effect on morale for everyone. That tactic would prompt me to suspend him for contract detrimental but very few GMs or coaches have the stones to do that to a good player that the fans believe makes a difference.

  31. @arwiv

    Yep. Collins is due his money also. Plus Solder and Ogletree cap hits jump up quite a bit next year

  32. It is not too hard to figure out what sources feed various sportswriters stories. Typically, in the NFL, the team side sources are an some sort of veteran assistant to the GM or a member of the owning family (but not the primary owner him or herself). For the player side, it is typically the player’s agent. When sports articles say “sources close to the player”, that is usually the agent. This website generally leans more in favor of players, because the sources are usually agents. Zeke Sadhu is Beckham’s agent. You can do the math regarding what Sadhu wants his client to do (but often clients don’t follow their agent’s advice).

  33. All pay raises come out of the pockets of the fans. Owners are guaranteed their specific amount, players get their amount. The fans pay for it all.
    when are the fans going to realize that costs are already too high.

  34. A guy who’s never won a playoff game, coming off injury, and who wants to be paid more than most starting QBs in the league is not being “lowballed” when someone balks at that.

    If his talent was the only question, he’d have a contract already. Obviously, it’s far from the only question, and most of that is squarely Beckham’s doing. He’s made his bed over the last few years, and now doesn’t like the bill coming due.

    He wants more than he or the position is worth and the team has very little to show for him being there 4 years. They could fail to win playoff games much more cheaply without him. Where’s the value?

  35. stylzinc says:
    June 23, 2018 at 3:03 pm
    giantsfan82 says:
    June 23, 2018 at 12:13 pm
    Maybe I’ll try holding out at my job because I’ve outworked my salary. I’ll let you guys know how that turns out.
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    Are you one of the 10 best at what you do in the world?
    Are you the best at your job in the city you live in?
    If the answer is no to any of the above questions, shut up & go to work.
    Otherwise damn a salary that reflects your talent & position
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    Dude you will never be a successful business man…you do realize Dez Bryant was a top ten WR just 2 years ago…that’s why you never pay individual skills, it’s funny most Giant fans don’t consider him top 10 “Overall” there’s more to “Professional” Football than make a few awesome catches. I think he could be a top 3 if he grew-up…

  36. Patrick says:
    June 23, 2018 at 1:33 pm
    It’s obvious Giants ownership has no intention of paying him any more than the bare minimum they can get away with. It’s also obvious they are terrible without him, and might still be with him.

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    They won 2 Super Bowls in the 5 years before Beckham showed up, and haven’t even won a playoff game since.

    Being talented doesn’t mean you can’t also be holding a team back.

  37. corkspop says:
    June 23, 2018 at 12:38 pm
    Report, do the work, earn the respect of your teammates, employer, and fans. He needs to get past the diva, hothead, and at least a little injury-prone stage. Play to the end of your existing contract or show your intent to do so and the money will follow.

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    This is what Beckham either doesn’t understand or realized too late. He played it like getting signed was the ticket to easy street. But it was just a ticket to a few years of moderate NFL salary – the big pro contract that follows, that you actually have to earn and negotiate for, is the jackpot.

    If he’d kept the ridiculous diva act in check and spent more time on discipline and actually being the difference in big games, he’d already have a contract. Guys like Beckham & Bell don’t seem to see this.

  38. Giants have a bad track record with WRs coming off leg injuries.

    Steve Smith; Hakeem Nicks

    If I am Mara/Tisch, I want to see a half season of production before I open up the checkbook.

  39. “It’s obvious the Giants have no intention of paying him more than the bare minimum they can get away with …”

    Yeah, that’s called smart negotiating? This isn’t a charity. Do you pay any more on a house that you can get away with when you’re buying it?

  40. So, he should hold out to be the top paid guy in the league. Then someone else who thinks they are better will hold out and so on and so forth. Pretty soon tickets are 1500 bucks up in the nose bleeds and advertisers can’t afford to pay for time. The next thing we know, we will be saying ” Remember when there was that NFL football?”.

  41. The owners do live up to the contracts they have the players sign. They were just smart enough to have a clause in the contract that says they can cut a player for any reason and not owe him anything more.
    My employer did the same thing. PA is at “At Will” employment state. Every employee where I work had to sign a statement saying they understood that this means the company can fire us for any reason or no reason at all and we have no recourse. Of course that is still subject to discrimination and whistle blower laws but I fail to see how most pro athletes are being discriminated against when they are cut. However I definitely see how they are not living up to their end of a contract when they sit out.

  42. “I’d show up pretty much anywhere for $8.4m”

    I would too. But what if you didn’t show up because you could get $15m? And what if it worked?

  43. For those who keep repeating the notion that they’d certainly be happy with Beckham’s salary, to point out the obvious, you do not have his physical talents [leverage] nor is your job, in all likelihood, nearly as dangerous to your knees, etc. I’m sure you negotiate for the best salary you can get, so why blame Beckham for doing the same???

  44. The owners making billions has very little to do with this issue . There is a thing called a salary cap and when teams have to build a team around this parameter , keeping a player on a team friendly deal is of utmost importance. Add to that the fact that Beckham has proven to be a distraction, the fact that the giants have yet to win a playoff game despite OBJ’s greatness, and the fact that they drafted an equally dynamic offensive player , it seems like the giants hold more cards than you are acknowledging

  45. I always get a laugh out of your support for the players. Your encouragement for them to protest and to hold out. I can tell you that the fans in most cases aren’t going to support the players … here is why. Fans care about their team more than they do players. pLAYERS Every extra penny a player gets is a penny that can’t be spent on bringing in someone else to improve the roster. The NFL’s hard cap makes it that way. In the NBA they have a cap but it is more of a suggestion than a hard number. Sure I want Mack to get paid but… I don’t want him to get paid at the expense of not being able to resign Cooper, Bryant or the next guy who’s contract expires when the year ends. The Rams fans certainly want Donald to be in uniform but not at the expense of losing Gurley and or Goff. That’s just the way it is. To be honest I don’t give a rip about the owners or the players bank accounts. As far as I’m concerned they all are well compensated. Should players get more. Absolutely, but that is something they need to fix in the collective bargaining agreement. Fans just aren’t going to support players signing huge contracts when it means their team is less likely to succeed.

  46. How about OBJ plays a full 16 game season, and gets in no trouble just once.. I don’t wouldn’t pay a player the money OBJ wants unless he could do that year in and year out.

  47. Don’t hold out and he gets the fans and peers on his side. Pressure on the team builds as the season starts and the closer to him being a free agent or having to franchise him. I wonder what kind of pressure would be there if after 8 games and the giants are in the playoff hunt if he then held out? No tolling of contract at that point. They know he will be gone without tagging in off season……hmmmm

  48. I will add to that by saying fans are even less likely to support a huge contract for a player who is already undeer contract. Again the players biggest problem is themselves. They need to negotiate a better deal next time around.

  49. What does OBJ gain and lose by a holdout?

    Gain

    – no risk of injury

    – maybe force the club to trade him?

    Loss

    – 8.4MM

    – signing teams may be worried he’ll be a problem down the road. If Julio Jones is making waves 2 years into a 5 year contract, maybe OBJ will also.

    – maybe a little rusty

    If OBJ wants to get paid he should look back at how he conducted himself the last few years.

  50. Love the comments from guys clipping coupons every weekend saying that ownership should just pay whatever the guy wants and that it’s greedy to pay as little mutually agreed upon.

  51. the Giants are going to draft early for years to come in all likelihood. They can certainly find a good receiver to replace him. Besides, he cannot play forever, and one of these days they will need to draft his replacement.

  52. After that video dude better just show up, keep his mouth shut and let his play on the field do his talking. Minus the stoopit celebration crap. And I am a Giants fan.

  53. This guy should definitely hold out, he’s got stone hands, ( drops in playoff game loss to GB) he’s a snowflake and a locker room cancer, & if that’s not enough going for him he does lines of coke and smokes refer while be filmed on cell phones…this guy is a winner.
    F L U S H!

  54. His entire $10 million contract is guaranteed, yeah, I know after taxes, cut that in half, but with a couple of financial management classes, I’m sure a 25 year old can live well off of one mil a year not to mention the endorsement dollars he’s raking in on the side. I could see if there was a possibility of the team not paying him but there isn’t. Play the season, prove you’re worth the next contract and get paid.

  55. Why not just abolish contracts in general, Mike? Why not just pay players per game based on their performance? I’m sure that will definitely benefit the players 100%, having no agreed upon sum that the owners owe them…

    Instead of encouraging these players to be more and more greedy by the season, maybe you should encourage them to learn how to use the money they’re given (which is more than 90% of people will see in their ENTIRE LIVES, even people with jobs more dangerous than NFL players’) so they don’t HAVE to beg for more by the year. Odell DOES have an option-to not sign a contract and delve into free agency next year. Until then, he has a commitment, and he is well compensated.

    Also, consider this. If Odell has a down year, and his contract is adjusted to match his performance as you have argued should be the case, then his pay should be reduced to reflect that. How do you think players would feel if their money was reduced based on lower stats? No, we’re not talking about bonuses, we’re talking base salary. If you have a previously agreed upon contract, it should be honored. And yes, I think that should go for owners too.

  56. briang123 says:
    June 23, 2018 at 7:45 pm
    When did Eli Manning have to hold out to get his money? That’s right. Never. White privilege is a great thing.

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    Give me a break!!!! Manning plays QB and Beckham plays WR. That makes all the difference in the world and it has no bearing what so ever on race. But idiots like you always make everything about race.
    Plus — did you see Manning go on a cruise before a playoff game and then play like crap like Beckham did, or pretend to pee like a dog on the field like Beckham did? Have you seen Manning have conversations with the kicker’s net on the sideline like Beckham has done??? Have you ever seen Manning completely forget he was playing a football game and have a UFC-type fight with a defensive player????? O’Dell Beckham has done all of these things and he is a head case and the Giants are absolutely right to be concerned about giving him a big, long term contract.
    But of course — you play the race card.

  57. i love when Joe Smith talks about what would happen if they held out of their job…nobody cares about you and your average life. not that theres anything wrong with your life, its just not important in this issue.

  58. This guy makes real good money, considering that he’s missed allot of time due to injury. The last few years, there were allot of games with no OBJ, but those checks For $350,000-$400,000 kept coming every week. Wouldn’t you feel like you owe the team and your teammate’s something?

    Your team finished 2nd to last in the whole league. C’mon man.

  59. It would be great for PFT if he held out… the conflict of interest here is transparent. However, he has been playing football most of his life, and last year made 1.8M. This year he’s slated to make over 8M I believe, so he ain’t gonna miss those game checks. He’s never seen that kind of money before, he will be willing to play football for it. The Giants know this. So a camp holdout will be just that—-a camp holdout. When it comes to game checks, he’ll play, so Giants would be foolish to cave in. I’d make him play this year at 8M and if he can keep his head on his shoulders franchise him the next 2 years before committing. Players need to redo that CBa big time bc lets be honest teams hold ALL the cards.

  60. motleytrap says:
    June 23, 2018 at 11:44 am

    Maybe he should go the same route any of us do to make more money.

    Show up and put in the work.
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    Difference is his skill is world class..yours? Not so much

  61. I do appreciate these articles…as much as I’ve been saying about all the 2nd round rookie WRs getting paid already because of shorter deals…

    But when do plan on starting to call out the Giants organization…?

  62. They won 2 Super Bowls in the 5 years before Beckham showed up, and haven’t even won a playoff game since.

    Being talented doesn’t mean you can’t also be holding a team back.

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    It’s his fault the rest of the roster and coaching staff stink? Makes sense

  63. “It’s obvious the Giants have no intention of paying him more than the bare minimum they can get away with …”

    Yeah, that’s called smart negotiating? This isn’t a charity. Do you pay any more on a house that you can get away with when you’re buying it?

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    So the owners who take no physical risk and are guaranteed shared revenue even if they’re the browns or colts and have multiple seasons where they don’t even try to win a game should be smart but the players who are the product, do the labor, have extremely short careers and risk leaving the field paralysed or worse every time they step on it shouldn’t be?

    Why do some posters come off as having delusions of rubbing shoulders with billionaires that would never spend a minute in the same room with them?

  64. “Difference is his skill is world class..yours? Not so much”

    On the other hand, there are plenty of real world jobs in which NFL players wouldn’t be able to hack it.

  65. “Odell Beckham definitely should hold out”
    What,s more important, money or winning the Super Bowl?

  66. The last few years there were a lot of games with no OBJ?? He missed 12 games last year with the broken ankle and the first 4 of his career (four years ago) with a bad hammy. From his first career game up until he got injured last season he was a top 3-4 most productive receiver in the NFL. People’s general hate for the guy is clouding their intelligence.

  67. motleytrap says:
    June 23, 2018 at 10:59 pm
    “Difference is his skill is world class..yours? Not so much”

    On the other hand, there are plenty of real world jobs in which NFL players wouldn’t be able to hack it.

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    I was once at a comedy show and the stand up comic started getting heckled by a drunk in the audience. He tolerated it for about a minute, then finally turned to the drunk and said, “hey buddy — give me a break, will ya?”….” after all, I don’t come down to where you work and bother you while you’re digging those ditches!” Shut the drunk guy right up.
    And your point is well taken. Many of these NFL players have only one skill — playing football. There are millions of people who do jobs which are far more difficult and far more important than football players do. And they do them expertly.

  68. chickensalad43 says:
    June 23, 2018 at 12:47 pm
    All you idiots saying he should “show up and work hard” don’t understand that the Giants have no intention of ever signing him to a long-term contract. They will do what the Steelers did: one year option, franchise tag, then franchise tag, then let him walk in his late 20s, when he can finally cash in IF he’s healthy by then. This offers zero long term security in a career as dangerous as pro football.

    First round picks get absolutely screwed with the one year option. The NFLPA has some serious work to do in the next negotiations.

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    Honestly, I would take that deal. By the time they ditched me in my late 20’s I would be set to do anything in my life I wanted while my family and I are all set and comfortable. But then, I look at long view and quality of entire life, not a few years of ego stroking. That long view would also allow me to tune out my agent who is just trying to work me for a fatter payday. In fact, I would need a good money manager more than an agent since there would be nothing to negotiate.

  69. He’s rich. He should honor his contract and then get even richer. He’s not god and he’s not irreplaceable.

    Not to mention in order to accurately gauge his worth, the Giants need to see a couple of things before signing him to a long term deal.

    1. Does he still have it?
    2. Is he still an emotional primadonna headcase?

    Because those things need to be answered before a GM puts out any serious offer.

    Those things aren’t answered from the sideline, at least positively. A holdout could actually be a slight hit on #2.

    Otherwise the GM should rightfully put out a lower offer, that likely won’t be signed, and in the end OBJ has to report anyways. If he does so after missing so much time from injury and then doesn’t get into a groove, he could cost himself tens of millions of dollars.

    Just play man. Life isn’t perfect or sure, but your best chance of getting paid is doing what you need to on the field and not look for top dollar.

    Besides this is the guy who wants $50 million a year like ‘Steph Curry’. Good luck with that. NO ONE WILL PAY OBJ THAT.

    Long term security is having millions in the banks. Doesn’t matter if it’s 5 or 500, only an idiot can go broke, and if they do with 5, there’s a good chance they will with 100 or more.

  70. edon8334 says:
    June 23, 2018 at 9:10 pm
    motleytrap says:
    June 23, 2018 at 11:44 am

    Maybe he should go the same route any of us do to make more money.

    Show up and put in the work.
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    Difference is his skill is world class..yours? Not so much

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    My skill may not be world class but my ability to contribute to my organization’s success comensurate to my salary is far greater.

  71. motleytrap says:

    Difference is his skill is world class..yours? Not so much
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    Not really that different. I have rules that i must abide by to stay employed so does he. He can hold out, he may win a new contract or he may win a spot in the doghouse. The bottom line is he makes millions because of his skill level. His career will be far shorter than mine but he will be compensated for his level of skill. I understand he is trying to maximize his earning potential but as a fan.. I don’t give a rip about the money he makes. He makes plenty. If I were a fan of the Giants I would want him to be playing not holding out.

  72. stylzinc says:
    June 23, 2018 at 3:03 pm
    giantsfan82 says:
    June 23, 2018 at 12:13 pm
    Maybe I’ll try holding out at my job because I’ve outworked my salary. I’ll let you guys know how that turns out.
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    Are you one of the 10 best at what you do in the world?
    Are you the best at your job in the city you live in?
    If the answer is no to any of the above questions, shut up & go to work.
    Otherwise damn a salary that reflects your talent & position

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    Can your employer pass on such salary demands letting you go on your way and then use that same money to get two employees that maybe arent you but still extreemely good at what you do. Or maybe the best available at something else the company needs? And in either case guys that are happy to be there? Mine can. OBJ’s can.

  73. Its funny how people always say what they wouldnt b able to do at their job comparing themselves to athletes. My question is:have any of you ever suffered an injury on the job that put your job in jeopardy? Do any of you have a job that can leave you paralyzed, brain damaged, or worse brain dead. I think if you did you would try to gain as much contract security as you could also.

    Football is a brutal sport where your health is not in your hands alone. You can be hurt by anyone on that field including your teammates. If you go back to last year OBJ was injured because of Eli. His accuracy was horrible last year. In the preseason game he threw a pass so high to a wide open OBJ that by the time he landed the defender was on him. An accurate pass and the injury doesnt occur. Then we start the season on a losing streak. They rush OBJ back and Eli stretches him out and he gets blown up again. Gone for the season. Eli went on to stretch Sheppard out get him blown up. Same thing with Harris, stretched out and blown up. Only one that hurt himself was Marshall. If you ask me get your money because at the end of the day thats all that matters to the owners so why shouldnt be what mmatters most to players. Everyone wants to say they make so much money to play a game. Well if its just a game then why do we as the fan care at all about contract negotiations? The game goes on without him, watch it. If its just a game why are so many parents taking their kids out of football? Lastly why is anyone on the owners side when they dont care about the players. We care care about the players more than they do and we dont even know the players personally, they do. They are so money driven that they would bury medical evidence of safety issues so the money dont stop. They put money before the athlete and we dont want the athlete to put money before the game. To me thats crazy. Just my opinion.

    To be real i wanted the Giants to trade him before last years draft because of the distractions but they didnt. They had another opportunity this year but didnt. We kept him so pay him. Dont complain about the amount if youre not gonna complain about the amount you make off of him which is not even in the same ballpark. Football is too dangerous for contracts not to be fully guaranteed. If salary cap is the problem then higher caps needs to be worked on to accomodate players.

  74. To paraphrase a famous Butler (not the one who ended Seattle’s “dynasty” and who was benched in the last SB for no reason):

    Frankly, I don’t give a damn whether Odell Beckham holds out or not.

  75. Briang123 since you had make this a racial issue here’s the news for you. Eli didn’t hold out and had his contract extended during the final year of his deal as he was playing! He didn’t hold out and got his contract. It’s not a racial issue. Perhaps look in the mirror

  76. The author needs to give fans enough credit to be able to make up their own minds on this, or any other holdout, instead of advocating for either side. Not every holdout is the same.

    This is a business decision on both sides. Believe it or not, many of us fans have had to make decisions based on financial perspectives, and have either left or turned down jobs/job offers due to salaries that did not meet our expectations.

    Beckham has the right to do what he deems necessary to get the contract he feels he deserves. However, he does not have the right to demand that the Giants see things his way. He needs to be prepared for that possibility, and realize that the Giants are free to use all the ammo in their arsenal to persuade him to show up.

    Don’t assume fans are automatically going to take the Giants’ on this. That said, Beckham would be more likely to have fans in his corner if he hadn’t acted like a prima donna over the last few seasons.

  77. He should hold out. He is the best receiver in the NFL. I can not believe the Giants are struggling with this decision. No other player in the NFL can change the game with one play like OBJ. The owners need to pay OBJ what he deserves!!!!!

  78. cowboysdoomsday says:
    June 24, 2018 at 3:08 pm
    He should hold out. He is the best receiver in the NFL. I can not believe the Giants are struggling with this decision. No other player in the NFL can change the game with one play like OBJ. The owners need to pay OBJ what he deserves!!!!!

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    For a guy with so much game changing ability he sure hasn’t changed too many of them.

  79. i would choose the pay as you go approach with OBJ….and look for an opportunity to dump him for high draft picks if the opportunity presents itself…this guy is going to be a problem player

  80. First Last says:

    My question is:have any of you ever suffered an injury on the job that put your job in jeopardy? Do any of you have a job that can leave you paralyzed, brain damaged, or worse brain dead. I think if you did you would try to gain as much contract security as you could also.
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    Give me a break – Too easy!

    Yes as a matter of fact I do. I was in the Army during Desert Storm and… I am curently a federal agent. I have been fired upon by the enemy. I have been fired upon, punched, kicked assualted and injured in the line of duty. My jobs was/is.. far more dangerous than anything OBJ has ever faced. I am well compensated in my opinion. I know the risks of the job that I do. I know the risks of just being an LEO today where we are ambushed, spat on, looked down upon by some segments of society etc. So don’t give me that BS about his job has risks. So do firemen, coal miners, construction workers, ditch diggers and a host of other jobs.

    How many NFL players have died playing football? How many paralysed? Brain Dead? I can name officers funerals that I have attended, this year. I won’t even start to talk about how many soldiers have died for this country. What OBJ does is a stinkin sport FCOL. One where they are paid millions of dollars to play. He can quit tomorrow and be set for life. Don’t make it seem like this guy goes to war every sunday because he doesn’t.

  81. The Giants already hold all the cards. They have a contract that Beckham signed. And they have billionaire owners. The Giants shouldn’t budge an inch.

  82. OBJ needs to show he is not just a highlight player. A highlight player can make one special play every few weeks and be a celebrity while he otherwise is unreliable. OBJ is the kind of fool’s gold that media love but QBs and coaches hate.

  83. The NFLPA needs to change the current rookie contract and wage scale (which they won’t). Instead of 4-yr contracts and a 5th year option for 1st round picks, they need to look at shortening the deals so that players can hit their second contract, free agency, or the franchise tag sooner — especially with the average career so short.

    Perhaps a standard 3-year contract for all with a 4th year option for the 1st round.

  84. When you advocate for taking the “T.O. route”, you are advocating for him to hold the team hostage, be a locker room me-first cancer, and then wonder why no one wants you in the HOF despite your HOF worthy numbers.

    Last time the Gmen paid a knucklehead WR big money, he shot himself in the taint and wound up in jail. Maybe he should prove he’s not a knucklehead or an injury risk, then maybe he can be a beloved HOFamer like Irving, Rice and some others. He doesn’t owe the fans it, but being an asset rather than a distraction should be more profitable in the long run, otherwise, this system blows.

  85. Yes as a matter of fact I do. I was in the Army during Desert Storm and… I am curently a federal agent. I have been fired upon by the enemy. I have been fired upon, punched, kicked assualted and injured in the line of duty. My jobs was/is.. far more dangerous than anything OBJ has ever faced. I am well compensated in my opinion. I know the risks of the job that I do. I know the risks of just being an LEO today where we are ambushed, spat on, looked down upon by some segments of society etc. So don’t give me that BS about his job has risks. So do firemen, coal miners, construction workers, ditch diggers and a host of other jobs.
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    Well to me you shouldnt be mad at the athlete. You should be mad at the people that pay the athlete all this money to keep us distracted while they parade around the world in everybody business acting like the hand of GOD. If he could retire and be set for life then imagine what the the owners are getting just for running this circus. Thats cool tho right? How many injuries are they risking? How dangerous is their job? No one cares as long as they keep us entertained. Sports is just a stable of athletes. Now everybody mad because the thoroughbreds realize their worth to the sports and wanna get paid. Truth be told none of these athletes are worth the money. But at the same time neither are the owners. No one wants to talk about that and thats why you skipped over everything i said about that. Like i said we care about the athlete more than the owners. But when these situations arise the owners are businessmen, and we call the athlete babies and ungrateful. Truthfully i rather them pay people like you and others that work real jobs of the world. But they dont. Now whose idea was that the players, or the owners? The bosses or the workers? The elite or the common folk?

  86. I agree…
    Odell should hold out the entire season.
    Then we’ll see if he’s a bit more humble next year.
    (not holding my breath)

  87. briang123 says:
    June 23, 2018 at 7:45 pm
    When did Eli Manning have to hold out to get his money? That’s right. Never. White privilege is a great thing.

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    Jerk Privilege: The right to get away with making a fool out of yourself on PFT.

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