Julian Edelman’s PED suspension appeal today

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Thanks to the breach in confidentiality of the NFL’s drug testing policy, Julian Edelman‘s case has already been heard in the court of public opinion. Today, he gets his chance in judge Roger Goodell’s court.

According to Dan Graziano of ESPN.com, the Patriots wide receiver’s appeal of his suspension for violating the league’s policy on performance enhancing substances will be heard today, and he plans to “mount a vigorous defense.”

There are plenty of questions to be answered, beginning with the “unrecognized substance” that he tested positive for. But there were also apparently some mishandling of paperwork.

According to Graziano’s source, the league made some mistakes in the way the test results were handled. If that’s the case, it’s yet more evidence of the problem with the (lack of) confidentiality of the tests.

Edelman has also enlisted outside counsel for his appeal, bringing in New York-based attorney Alex Spiro, and given the Patriots’ history of litigation with the league, makes this one fascinating to watch as it moves forward.

123 responses to “Julian Edelman’s PED suspension appeal today

  1. Can’t say what it is and we’ve lost our paperwork anyway – better make it 6 games just to be sure.

  2. another Patsie another hearing. this is getting so old. Next up their mascot will get suspended for PED’s

  3. Hiring Alex Spiro= I know I’m guilty, but this high priced attorney has gotton guilty people off before so worth a try.

    Alex Spiro is known by NBA Players as “the go to guy” when you get in trouble. Former Patriot Aaron Hernandez also had Spiro as part of his legal team. So maybe he isn’t so good at getting guilty people off.

    Tired of the Patriots(who seem to be constantly involved in things and their motto is always deny deny deny) having to make everything a huge dramatic ordeal when in the end we all know they are guilty as sin.

  4. The insecure new england patriots fans are shamefully silent
    when ANOTHER example of cheating by “their” franchise is exposed.

    Classy franchise.

    Chow-Dah!!!

  5. Besides the phony charges against Tom Brady that were a bunch of puffed up lies and revenge tactics what other Patriots’ have had to go before the NFL’s honest brain trust? Now they want to give Edelman 4 games for a substance they can’t identify??? What kangaroo court in the land would that ever pass for fair??? Just another effort to handcuff anything to do with Patriots and or Tom Brady.

  6. Unfortunately even if the “unrecognized substance” that the NFL’s brilliant scientists (sarcasm intended) found was simply Type B blood, Julian’s only chance of not being suspended is if one of the Manning’s adopts him in the next 24 hours.

  7. Already tried in court of public opinion. All Roger has to leak is that Edelman destroyed” his cell phone after they tell him they have what they need from that source and the public will side with Roger and now he has carte Blanche with no bad publicity when he metes out his judgement based on his cba given right to do whatever his mood ring determines

  8. According to Graziano’s source, the league made some mistakes in the way the test results were handled. If that’s the case, it’s yet more evidence of the problem with the (lack of) confidentiality of the tests.
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    That sounds like he could have a Richard Sherman defense – and Sherman won his appeal.

    I guess Edelman is playing week 1. Tee hee 🙂

  9. I hope Jules shows up to the hearing and simultaneously films an episode of Burger Tyme. We all realize the unknown substance is JE11 burger juice, this has just been an elaborate marketing scheme.

  10. So, the appeal is based on mishandling paperwork? Not the fact he pissed hot, but, a paperwork issue? For one, I find it difficult to believe that, after thousands of tests, the league chose this one to muff the paperwork.
    Pats fans will be screaming that, due to paperwork, he is innocent, even though, he essentially admitted he threw a hot test.

  11. 99% of NFL payers use “something” to help them recover from injuries or just the day to day grind of the violent game they play. The League needs to stop punishing guys for using things like HGH to recover from injuries. HGH and steroids are two completely different animals….

  12. That’s right Patriots fans, as you’re getting your next DUI (I’m sure you get a lot of them), explain to the cop that if he can’t tell you what kind of Whiskey you were drinking, then you’re not drunk. Let us know how that works out for you.

  13. freefromwhatyouare says:
    June 25, 2018 at 6:48 am
    Hiring Alex Spiro= I know I’m guilty, but this high priced attorney has gotton guilty people off before so worth a try.

    Alex Spiro is known by NBA Players as “the go to guy” when you get in trouble. Former Patriot Aaron Hernandez also had Spiro as part of his legal team. So maybe he isn’t so good at getting guilty people off.

    Tired of the Patriots(who seem to be constantly involved in things and their motto is always deny deny deny) having to make everything a huge dramatic ordeal when in the end we all know they are guilty as sin.
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    Except the difference is Hernandez was found guilty by a real court. Not the kangaroo kind the NFL pretends not to have in place.

    There isn’t anything more dramatic in this appeal than any other player appeal.

    Dashon Goldson
    Brandon Merriweather
    Richie Incognito
    Ray Rice
    Adrian Peterson
    Ndamukong Suh
    Greg Hardy
    Danny Trevathan
    Marshawn Lynch

    All players off the top of my head that went through the appeal sham process.

  14. 6ball says:
    June 25, 2018 at 7:52 am
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    Everybody has an opinion, yet nobody has any facts.
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    This is true. Also true, and demonstrated repeatedly, is that the NFL does not need facts, or truth, to suspend players.

  15. So they don’t even know what he tested positive for, if anything, and then screwed up record keeping and paperwork which skews this against Edelman?

    Sounds like Goodell and his cronies cheating the Pats again with another manufactured “scandal”.

    When will the cheating at 345 Corruption Ave ever stop?

  16. willycents says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:05 am
    So, the appeal is based on mishandling paperwork? Not the fact he pissed hot, but, a paperwork issue? For one, I find it difficult to believe that, after thousands of tests, the league chose this one to muff the paperwork.
    Pats fans will be screaming that, due to paperwork, he is innocent, even though, he essentially admitted he threw a hot test.
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    Part of reading is comprehension. In addition to the unrecognized substance the paperwork was mishandled. If the paperwork is found to contribute to the test results that might seem germane to the issue at hand. That said, it seems weird the league would suspend a player after “intentionally” muffing the paperwork. How would that work exactly? The league suspends a player for something unknown and then sabotages the paperwork so the player has a chance to get it overturned on appeal? It might be time to take off the tin foil hat. Just sayin’.

  17. Tired of the Patriots(who seem to be constantly involved in things and their motto is always deny deny deny) having to make everything a huge dramatic ordeal when in the end we all know they are guilty as sin
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    translation: Tired of the Patriots beating the crap out of my team every year.

  18. Wait, initially PFT was ripping Edelman for taking whatever he took, and his own response to media questions about it…and now that his appeal is happening, PFT is in full-throated support of Edelman?
    So which is it, PFT?
    IMO Edelman should have purchased his supplements through the NFL, just to cover his bases in order to avoid a suspension.
    It seems like most, if not all, players get their “supplements” from some “sports nutrition” company outside of the NFL. Maybe the player gets an endorsement contract or stock or something. Is it really worth several hundred thousand (or sometimes millions) of dollars to do it outside of the NFL’s own system?
    Where on earth is De Smith’s NFLPA on this? Why are THEY helping their own clients who paid in advance for their services?

  19. LOL….. the trolls are flocking to this post like seagulls to a scrap of food……sooooo predictable
    All the speculation & “already guilty” comments are funny to read, it just re-enforces to me how much envy & jealousy there is out there for the Patriots ongoing real estate ownership in the minds of the downtrodden…..
    Balls in Rogers court so that leaves any fairness or truth out of the proceedings…..it’s more probable than not Roger will continue to lie & cheat the Patriots on behalf of the other 31 owners so that they have some semblance of hope competing against the Pats…..

  20. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:10 am
    That’s right Patriots fans, as you’re getting your next DUI (I’m sure you get a lot of them), explain to the cop that if he can’t tell you what kind of Whiskey you were drinking, then you’re not drunk. Let us know how that works out for you.
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    Not really. It’s more analogous to failing a sobriety test and the cop having no idea why.

  21. brwmstr says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:10 am

    99% of NFL payers use “something” to help them recover from injuries or just the day to day grind of the violent game they play. The League needs to stop punishing guys for using things like HGH to recover from injuries. HGH and steroids are two completely different animals….
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    No. I’ll tell you why.
    If the NFL allowed HGH, and later on in life these players suffered from some known side effect of the HGH…well guess what’s going to happen?
    Some lawyers, including De Smith’s NFLPA, and players will sue the NFL for ALLOWING the use of HGH by NFL players because the NFL, as a reasonable entity, knew or should have known the downstream side effects of HGH and not allowed players to use it. The media would jump right on to the bandwagon by declaring that the NFL isn’t “protecting players from themselves” by allowing HGH.
    So in the end, the NFL cannot win so the best course of action is to not allow anything and minimize liability.

  22. terripet says:
    June 25, 2018 at 6:45 am
    What do you expect when you play for a cheating organization
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    I don’t know, maybe another banner to hang??!!

  23. dryzzt23 says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:24 am
    Wait, initially PFT was ripping Edelman for taking whatever he took, and his own response to media questions about it…and now that his appeal is happening, PFT is in full-throated support of Edelman?
    So which is it, PFT?
    IMO Edelman should have purchased his supplements through the NFL, just to cover his bases in order to avoid a suspension.
    It seems like most, if not all, players get their “supplements” from some “sports nutrition” company outside of the NFL. Maybe the player gets an endorsement contract or stock or something. Is it really worth several hundred thousand (or sometimes millions) of dollars to do it outside of the NFL’s own system?
    Where on earth is De Smith’s NFLPA on this? Why are THEY helping their own clients who paid in advance for their services?
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    Probably because the NFL doesn’t provided nutritional supplements to players. It never has. All they do it provide a list of banned substances and pass the responsibility onto the players to make sure those substances aren’t in any of the supplements they consume. If the manufacturer doesn’t list it the players could consume something banned unknowingly. No excuses. I’m just pointing out it’s not nearly as simple ass you’re painting it out to be.

  24. jimmylikesthat says:
    June 25, 2018 at 7:49 am
    Already tried in court of public opinion. All Roger has to leak is that Edelman destroyed” his cell phone after they tell him they have what they need from that source and the public will side with Roger and now he has carte Blanche with no bad publicity when he metes out his judgement based on his cba given right to do whatever his mood ring determines

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    Actually he only has to say ‘Patriot player’ and he will trigger all the fan bases that spend their days fearful of the Patriots and desperate for anything that could help their chances. He doesnt even need to say cell phone, or even what the charges are.

    But even with that said, if Edelman really did have something in him its better for the sport that he does serve the same punishment as other players. Its even better for the Patriots in the bigger picture of things. I do hope they get this right with no attached nonsense whichever way it goes.

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    grogansheroes says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:15 am
    So far 21 players have been suspended by the NFL for the start of the season. But only one team is a cheater. Hater logic, probably all liberals, because they make no sense.
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    Most of Trump’s inner circle will be saying exactly that, behind bars. “This makes no sense.”

  26. “There isn’t anything in this appeal more dramatic than any other players appeal”

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    Hiring high priced criminal defense attorney Alex Spiro for a dirty piss test case is not dramatic? Give me a break. Edelman apologized already. He knows he is guilty. The Pats want this deny deny deny crap because that is what they do. Big dramatic ordeal and cue the we were wronged chant.

    Guilty as sin.

  27. Unidentified substance and mishandled paperwork.
    Sounds to me like the league leaked the suspension as a backup tactic given their bumbling through this.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if “mishandled paperwork” equals out to “hey, this isn’t even Julian’s test, it’s actually a test result from a guy in 1986”

  28. BobbyHanks63 says:
    June 25, 2018 at 7:08 am
    Besides the phony charges against Tom Brady that were a bunch of puffed up lies and revenge tactics what other Patriots’ have had to go before the NFL’s honest brain trust? Now they want to give Edelman 4 games for a substance they can’t identify??? What kangaroo court in the land would that ever pass for fair??? Just another effort to handcuff anything to do with Patriots and or Tom Brady.

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    I am starting to question the Nink suspension from 2 years ago. The guy plays his entire career with nothing, and then, poof, here comes a 4 game suspension out of the woodwork on top of the Brady framejob.

    Very suspicious.

    The best is watching Goodell caught stone cold, and the haters still look the other way, enabling the cheating by certain owners and Goodell.

    Rinse and repeat.

  29. Edelman should tell everyone he’s going to take it all the way to the Supreme Court like Brady threatened to do, right before serving his four-game suspension. These cheaters are a laugh a minute. “What cell phone?”

  30. superpatriotsfan says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:38 am
    Patriots and their fans playing the victim card..LMAO

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    Your board handle implies you are a Pats fan. Did you forget that you signed in with your troll name, posing as a Pats fan, only to let your guard down and get cauvght like Goodell just did again? lmao

    You cheaters, along with Goodell and some owners, are entertaining.

  31. harrisonhits2 says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:22 am
    So they don’t even know what he tested positive for, if anything, and then screwed up record keeping and paperwork which skews this against Edelman?

    Sounds like Goodell and his cronies cheating the Pats again with another manufactured “scandal”.

    When will the cheating at 345 Corruption Ave ever stop?

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    I don’t know, but the pattern is there. The cheating pattern by 345 Park Ave, that is.

    hey are so quick to execute cheating against the Pats, that they get really sloppy, similar to when they raced to file Framegate II in a NY court, and when they beat the union with the filing of the paperwork, they originally forgot to sign it.

    No lie. That actually happened. They were so sure they could cheat and manioulate the courts, with Article 46 apparently in tow, following their own rules and procedures was blown off by some sloppy batch of attorneys.

    What would be completely embarrassing is glossed over because 345 Park Ave wants to cheat so bad.

    What’s becoming patently obvious is the NFL wanted to be in Europe by now with an NFL franchise, and the Pats constant success, is slowing down the expansion, because there is no parity.

    Belichick (and MIke Lombardi’s) cap recipe, rooted in 1991 in Cleveland, and that recipe, has completely made a mockery of the difficulty of the salary cap for teams.

    Throw in some Brady, some other really good players through the years, and you have a recipe for dominance.

  32. somefans says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:03 am
    Question, will the cheating ever stop in Boston?

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    You must need a map. 345 Park Ave in NYC is about 4.5 hours SW of Boston.

    Will it ever stop coming out of 345 Park Ave?

  33. Evidently the Pats came waaaayyyy to close to winning another SB last year so here we go with suspensions for stuff he might have taken and might have known was illegal or it’s more probable than not that the kid who delivers his paper possibly knew something if we only know what it was and if he actually took it, or not.

  34. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:10 am
    That’s right Patriots fans, as you’re getting your next DUI (I’m sure you get a lot of them), explain to the cop that if he can’t tell you what kind of Whiskey you were drinking, then you’re not drunk. Let us know how that works out for you.
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    This post deserves a nice loud Jim Rome style manual buzzer. 🙂

    The right analogy of course is that you were stopped and charged with a DUI but neither you northe the cop had any idea why.

  35. The thing that people keep missing is that, there is a list of approved substances. Anything OTHER than that list of approved substances is considered a fail, even if its just some new kind of headache medicine. If you’re told you’re ONLY allowed to have Coke, Pepsi, and RC and you come up positive for some ‘unknown’ type of soda you got at some backwoods truck stop, it doesn’t matter if its just Faygo cola. Its NOT one of the 3 approved sodas. It’s that simple.

    The rule is there to keep ahead of the new supplements and drugs being created. The NFL tests them individually and makes a judgement if they’re allowed or not. Before they make those judgements, guess what? They’re not allowed.

  36. Tee hee 🙂 Patriot Hater seems SO ANGRY these days!

    I wonder why? 🙂

    Tee hee.

    🙂

  37. somefans says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:03 am
    Question, will the cheating ever stop in Boston?

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    Well- it’s not possible to stop something that never even started so…
    🙂

  38. tylawspick6 says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:59 am
    So, Goodell is caught cheating the Pats again, essentially. What a shock.

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    Althought there are certainly some hinky details that cast question on this, at the same time none of them mean he is innocent either. It does get tiring having extra baggage from the league office attatched to their pursuit of Patriot playes, the ambiguity leaves no one comfirtable on either side of what they want to see. I would hopethat the league clears up or clarifies any ‘paperwork issues’, and that they also do identify what they found. I would also hate to see after all thats been leaked fir the NFL to suddenly say they need to seal everything to protect the player’s privacy. That is actually what they should do but with so many cats out of the bag such a stance by the NFL will sound pretty hollow at this point.

    The privacy in question here belongs to Edelman not the league so he would have the option of disclosing (ie if the league fails to identify) and even call bluffs by granting the league permission to share their incriminating evidence publically. That is if it works for him. Especially if they fail to show him any results behind closed doors that is something he can do.

    Keep in mind that even if they do not have evidence of anything Goodell can still suspend him per the CBA. And he just might because he wants those commisioners powers to be a huge sticking point at the next CBA negotiation that he can trade away in exchange for concessions on other things that are more related in money for the owners. The bigger it is the more concessions he can get in return so it works fir him to stuff it down players throats.

    And if he has nothing to do with the keak he should file a suit against the league for the disclosure so dar. Thats another way he can go.

  39. superpatriotsfan says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:38 am
    Patriots and their fans playing the victim card..LMAO
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    Poor poor Patriot Hater 🙂

    So deluded. So in denial. So freaking hilarious!

    Tee hee.

    🙂

  40. jahbrohknee says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:17 am
    The thing that people keep missing is that, there is a list of approved substances. Anything OTHER than that list of approved substances is considered a fail, even if its just some new kind of headache medicine. If you’re told you’re ONLY allowed to have Coke, Pepsi, and RC and you come up positive for some ‘unknown’ type of soda you got at some backwoods truck stop, it doesn’t matter if its just Faygo cola. Its NOT one of the 3 approved sodas. It’s that simple.

    The rule is there to keep ahead of the new supplements and drugs being created. The NFL tests them individually and makes a judgement if they’re allowed or not. Before they make those judgements, guess what? They’re not allowed.

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    Correct, except they don’t know what the substance is, and then leaked his positive test to the public to gain public support.

    How is this so difficult to understand?

    It’s the same pattern every time when Goodell goes to cheat the Pats…He leaks out info to garner public support for the cheating. He knows the haters will accept anything, but he still needs that public support.

    Get it?

    The sad part is, he can now just say “Article 46!” and carry on with the cheating with some half baked lawyerly press release that victimizes the player after the fact, stealing that player’s money and defaming them.

    Why this would be accepted by anyone anywhere anyone works this country, is beyond me.

  41. kamthechancellor says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:05 am
    Another Pat caught cheating…let’s get all the best lawyers involved.

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    You have it backwards: 5th Place Millennial Trophy Generation Father of the Year, and Politically Correct Corrupt Commissioner of the Year, Goodell, has all the best lawwyers the courts can by in NY, didn’t you know?

    You can get caught in a federal court lying over and over and then just lean on “Article 46” to cover yourself when caught in the courts lying.

    Nice, huh? So, basically, if you’re an attorney for the NFL, your experience can be a clerk at 7-11 because Article 46 is your ace int the hole. A law degree is not needed.

    What a joke you cheating and enabling Pats Haters are. Such frauds and cheaters yourselves.

  42. For all the haters, the Pats went to the super bowl last year and Edelman barely played…

    So if he misses 4 games this year, big deal.

    Does that mean Miami, the Jets or the Bills will all finish ahead of them? LOL

    Nothing is going to change this year, cry all you want…it’s entertaining..

  43. The list goes on.

    What cell phone?
    What murder weapon?
    What video?
    What piss test?
    etc, etc, etc …

  44. Art of the crowd says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:21 am
    tylawspick6 says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:59 am
    So, Goodell is caught cheating the Pats again, essentially. What a shock.

    ———————
    Althought there are certainly some hinky details that cast question on this, at the same time none of them mean he is innocent either. It does get tiring having extra baggage from the league office attatched to their pursuit of Patriot playes, the ambiguity leaves no one comfirtable on either side of what they want to see. I would hopethat the league clears up or clarifies any ‘paperwork issues’, and that they also do identify what they found. I would also hate to see after all thats been leaked fir the NFL to suddenly say they need to seal everything to protect the player’s privacy. That is actually what they should do but with so many cats out of the bag such a stance by the NFL will sound pretty hollow at this point.

    The privacy in question here belongs to Edelman not the league so he would have the option of disclosing (ie if the league fails to identify) and even call bluffs by granting the league permission to share their incriminating evidence publically. That is if it works for him. Especially if they fail to show him any results behind closed doors that is something he can do.

    Keep in mind that even if they do not have evidence of anything Goodell can still suspend him per the CBA. And he just might because he wants those commisioners powers to be a huge sticking point at the next CBA negotiation that he can trade away in exchange for concessions on other things that are more related in money for the owners. The bigger it is the more concessions he can get in return so it works fir him to stuff it down players throats.

    And if he has nothing to do with the keak he should file a suit against the league for the disclosure so dar. Thats another way he can go.

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    The fact you just said he has the right to suspend him, is a serious, serious problem here.

    This has got to stop. It’s immoral. You can’t concoct something to defame someone and steal their money. It’s illegal.

    Article 46 is not above US law. If Goodell still suspends after being caught cheating again, Edelman mist sue for defamation. I am convinced it;s the only way to get Goodell fired and to see the NFL finally stop its cheating.

    Brady absolutely SHOULD have done it and it’s disappointing he didn’t, because it was a slam dunk win as Supreme Court case. Goodell lied in court, they perjured themselves even if not under oath, and this crap is continuing on.

    Gee, I wonder why ratings are dropping?

    Even logical Pats Haters are tired of his cheating.

  45. Packers beat the Pats in their last meeting in 2016.

    To the fool that claimed I am mad because “the Pats beat my team every year”

    He must still be upset over the 1996 Super Bowl. Who knows.

    Good luck today. I hope high priced Alex Spiro’s bill doesn’t make little Robert Kraft too upset.

  46. patriots123456 says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:28 am
    For all the haters, the Pats went to the super bowl last year and Edelman barely played…

    So if he misses 4 games this year, big deal.

    Does that mean Miami, the Jets or the Bills will all finish ahead of them? LOL

    Nothing is going to change this year, cry all you want…it’s entertaining..

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    Stealing someone’s money and defaming them for a hardworking career, is “funny”?

    You people are sick. Real sick.

  47. With more suspensions starting to come from “procedural” violations (see: Brady, Winston), it’s only fair and reasonable that the tables should be turned on the league office for their own procedural failings/violations.

    Say what you like about the CBA, but the league office shouldn’t be able to violate its own policies and procedures in disciplinary cases without some repercussions – and that may include not being able to deliver the punishments they wish.

    If a D.A. makes procedural errors, a case can be thrown out. The NFL needs to be held to a similar standard, or this ongoing problem won’t get any better.

  48. sdelmonte says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:23 am
    Remember, they mishandled the Ryan Braun test, and he was guilty anyway.

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    That is true and a good point. It shows that the league is not limited to doing this to Patriot players. And the sentimate in that one too had everything to do with who roots for what team, not at all about guilt and innocence. But that still does not make the league right, nor does it prove Edelman innocent. Its only value as evidence is the way it proves how badly the league manages these things.

  49. tylawspick6 says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:03 am

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    I am starting to question the Nink suspension from 2 years ago.
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    Don’t know about Edelman, but honestly the 2 PED suspension cases where I believe the player are the Ninkovich suspension and Mark Sanchez

  50. tylawspick6 says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:35 am
    Art of the crowd says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:21 am
    tylawspick6 says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:59 am
    So, Goodell is caught cheating the Pats again, essentially. What a shock.

    ———————
    Althought there are certainly some hinky details that cast question on this, at the same time none of them mean he is innocent either. It does get tiring having extra baggage from the league office attatched to their pursuit of Patriot playes, the ambiguity leaves no one comfirtable on either side of what they want to see. I would hopethat the league clears up or clarifies any ‘paperwork issues’, and that they also do identify what they found. I would also hate to see after all thats been leaked fir the NFL to suddenly say they need to seal everything to protect the player’s privacy. That is actually what they should do but with so many cats out of the bag such a stance by the NFL will sound pretty hollow at this point.

    The privacy in question here belongs to Edelman not the league so he would have the option of disclosing (ie if the league fails to identify) and even call bluffs by granting the league permission to share their incriminating evidence publically. That is if it works for him. Especially if they fail to show him any results behind closed doors that is something he can do.

    Keep in mind that even if they do not have evidence of anything Goodell can still suspend him per the CBA. And he just might because he wants those commisioners powers to be a huge sticking point at the next CBA negotiation that he can trade away in exchange for concessions on other things that are more related in money for the owners. The bigger it is the more concessions he can get in return so it works fir him to stuff it down players throats.

    And if he has nothing to do with the keak he should file a suit against the league for the disclosure so dar. Thats another way he can go.

    0 0 Rate This

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    The fact you just said he has the right to suspend him, is a serious, serious problem here.

    This has got to stop. It’s immoral. You can’t concoct something to defame someone and steal their money. It’s illegal.

    Article 46 is not above US law. If Goodell still suspends after being caught cheating again, Edelman mist sue for defamation. I am convinced it;s the only way to get Goodell fired and to see the NFL finally stop its cheating.

    Brady absolutely SHOULD have done it and it’s disappointing he didn’t, because it was a slam dunk win as Supreme Court case. Goodell lied in court, they perjured themselves even if not under oath, and this crap is continuing on.

    Gee, I wonder why ratings are dropping?

    Even logical Pats Haters are tired of his cheating.

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    You are correct that its extremely wrong. But thats Goodells intention. In the end its all abouut negotiating concessions that favor the owners. So the more wrong this is the bigger the deal it will be for the NFLPA to gave to give concesstions to negotiate those powers away. I get it that is utter BS what goes on. You have a right to be angry but your anger should not be at Goodell, who is just doing the job he was hired for. You should be angry at the NFLPA for how they failed to do the job they were hired for.

    Brady would have lost in the supreme court because the CBA does indeed have that wording in it and the union signed off on it. Again, thats on the union and the players that got so starry eyed over a few extra bucks that they fell for the misdirection.

    Keep in mind that the final appeal by the NFL (that Brady would have been asking the SC to overturn) was not at all about Brady’s guilt or innocence (he had already been found innocent due to no evidence that any tampering ever happened in the first place). If it had been about that in the slightest Brady would have won. Instead it was 100% about the CBA wording and only that. Brady’s lawyers saw that the CBA wording did indeed say that and advised him that he was going to lose despite his innocence.

    So tes you have a right to be mad, but at the NFLPA not Goodell. (ok, some at Goodell is ok but give the NFLPA their bigger share)

  51. Coming off a torn acl. Plays the pre season, takes 4 weeks off, He will catch 75 passes, they will win the SB.

    The sound of Goodell slapping himself will be clearly audible.

  52. Art of the crowd says:
    June 25, 2018 at 10:03 am
    sdelmonte says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:23 am
    Remember, they mishandled the Ryan Braun test, and he was guilty anyway.
    _________________________________________________________________
    This has no effect on Edleman. it’s a different league, with a much stronger union, and no article 46.

  53. Patriots fans are such hypocrites.

    This same exact situation happened to Richard Sherman and every Pat’s loving fan on PFT claimed it was Pete Carroll cheating (seriously go back and look at the comments in the stories)

    Now shoes on the other foot and…. That’s right folks it’s a witch hunt. Lol!

  54. Art of the crowd says:
    June 25, 2018 at 10:17 am
    tylawspick6 says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:35 am
    Art of the crowd says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:21 am
    tylawspick6 says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:59 am
    So, Goodell is caught cheating the Pats again, essentially. What a shock.

    ———————
    Althought there are certainly some hinky details that cast question on this, at the same time none of them mean he is innocent either. It does get tiring having extra baggage from the league office attatched to their pursuit of Patriot playes, the ambiguity leaves no one comfirtable on either side of what they want to see. I would hopethat the league clears up or clarifies any ‘paperwork issues’, and that they also do identify what they found. I would also hate to see after all thats been leaked fir the NFL to suddenly say they need to seal everything to protect the player’s privacy. That is actually what they should do but with so many cats out of the bag such a stance by the NFL will sound pretty hollow at this point.

    The privacy in question here belongs to Edelman not the league so he would have the option of disclosing (ie if the league fails to identify) and even call bluffs by granting the league permission to share their incriminating evidence publically. That is if it works for him. Especially if they fail to show him any results behind closed doors that is something he can do.

    Keep in mind that even if they do not have evidence of anything Goodell can still suspend him per the CBA. And he just might because he wants those commisioners powers to be a huge sticking point at the next CBA negotiation that he can trade away in exchange for concessions on other things that are more related in money for the owners. The bigger it is the more concessions he can get in return so it works fir him to stuff it down players throats.

    And if he has nothing to do with the keak he should file a suit against the league for the disclosure so dar. Thats another way he can go.

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    The fact you just said he has the right to suspend him, is a serious, serious problem here.

    This has got to stop. It’s immoral. You can’t concoct something to defame someone and steal their money. It’s illegal.

    Article 46 is not above US law. If Goodell still suspends after being caught cheating again, Edelman mist sue for defamation. I am convinced it;s the only way to get Goodell fired and to see the NFL finally stop its cheating.

    Brady absolutely SHOULD have done it and it’s disappointing he didn’t, because it was a slam dunk win as Supreme Court case. Goodell lied in court, they perjured themselves even if not under oath, and this crap is continuing on.

    Gee, I wonder why ratings are dropping?

    Even logical Pats Haters are tired of his cheating.

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    You are correct that its extremely wrong. But thats Goodells intention. In the end its all abouut negotiating concessions that favor the owners. So the more wrong this is the bigger the deal it will be for the NFLPA to gave to give concesstions to negotiate those powers away. I get it that is utter BS what goes on. You have a right to be angry but your anger should not be at Goodell, who is just doing the job he was hired for. You should be angry at the NFLPA for how they failed to do the job they were hired for.

    Brady would have lost in the supreme court because the CBA does indeed have that wording in it and the union signed off on it. Again, thats on the union and the players that got so starry eyed over a few extra bucks that they fell for the misdirection.

    Keep in mind that the final appeal by the NFL (that Brady would have been asking the SC to overturn) was not at all about Brady’s guilt or innocence (he had already been found innocent due to no evidence that any tampering ever happened in the first place). If it had been about that in the slightest Brady would have won. Instead it was 100% about the CBA wording and only that. Brady’s lawyers saw that the CBA wording did indeed say that and advised him that he was going to lose despite his innocence.

    So tes you have a right to be mad, but at the NFLPA not Goodell. (ok, some at Goodell is ok but give the NFLPA their bigger share)

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    Sorry, you have it wrong. Show me a case where Rozelle or Tagliabue did something underhanded, and then went into a federal court referencing “Article 46” as something that could be used to support a framejob?

    It doesn’t exist.

    Article 46 has been in the NFL’s Constitution and Bylaws since 1969. The difference between Rozelle/Tagliabue and Goodell is, the latter is corrupt and his lawyers decided to go into a federal court to claim Article 46 is allowed to be used to cheat, steal and defame, if it is what the owners want.

    So, they’re basically telling the NFL paying customer that they are allowed to lie, cheat and steal if it is what they want to do.

    The fact ANY NFL paying customer is ok with such a thing, is beyond me.

    The guy just changed NFL rules in a Super Bowl to allow Philly a free 14 points as well. Where does this end?

    How much more blood out of the stone, do you people want here?

    Serious question.

  55. steverolley says:
    June 25, 2018 at 10:30 am
    Patriots fans are such hypocrites.

    This same exact situation happened to Richard Sherman and every Pat’s loving fan on PFT claimed it was Pete Carroll cheating (seriously go back and look at the comments in the stories)

    Now shoes on the other foot and…. That’s right folks it’s a witch hunt. Lol!

    ——————————

    Did you just compare the Seahawks being wronged to the Pats being wronged over and over and over on an almost annual basis under Goodell?

    I think you did!

  56. ““What cell phone?””

    Oh we’re well aware of the cell phone. That one that Ted Wells repeatedly examined, took all the data an info form that he wanted, and then told Brady it was ok to dispose of the phone when Brady asked him if it was ok to do so.

    That cell phone. The one you people act like Brady hid and destroyed before it was ever examined by the league representatives, when you know very well it was looked at multiple times and they were done with it.

  57. Anything the league does should have the hell litiagted out of it until he crooks in charge are gone. I’ve read logical Pats hater on here a few times. Logical pats hater is the same as taking a number and dividing by 0. Can’t wait to see how Mr. Rodgers does against this year, let’s go, Cheeseheads. Chow-dah < Cheese (as well as Primanti Bros)

  58. When the handling of the sample process is your defense to this then you are admitting guilt.

    The defense is not “No I 100% did not use something I shouldn’t have”

    Edelman apologized for what he did and now high priced lawyers are going to argue that the “process” was mishandled.

    Guilty.

  59. aarons444 says:
    June 25, 2018 at 10:18 am
    Patriots and their fans playing the victim card..LMAO
    ======

    Pathetic, isn’t it?
    —————————————-

    Yes, for once we agree. It is pathetic for someone who posts under a handle pretending to be a Patriots fan, superpatriotsfan to whine that the Pats and/or their fans are playing the victim card.

  60. The person below hilariously uses the word classy as if they had some while writing the comment. Look up classy in the dictionary, I know you won’t but still. You have to use some class if you are going to say someone else doesn’t have class.

    doctorrustbelt says:
    June 25, 2018 at 7:01 am
    The insecure new england patriots fans are shamefully silent
    when ANOTHER example of cheating by “their” franchise is exposed.

    Classy franchise.

    Chow-Dah!!!

  61. PED suspension for substance that is not even on banned list. Yup, sounds like the NFL to me.

  62. Art of the crowd says:
    June 25, 2018 at 10:03 am
    sdelmonte says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:23 am
    Remember, they mishandled the Ryan Braun test, and he was guilty anyway.

    ————-
    That is true and a good point. It shows that the league is not limited to doing this to Patriot players. And the sentimate in that one too had everything to do with who roots for what team, not at all about guilt and innocence. But that still does not make the league right, nor does it prove Edelman innocent. Its only value as evidence is the way it proves how badly the league manages these things.

    ———

    LOL

    Well I guess the NFL isn’t limiting it to Patriots players if they are suspending baseball players now.

    Man, that article 46 has more power than I could have imagined.

  63. Cheating or not cheating aside…How does he test positive for an unidentified substance?

    If the substance can’t be identified how can they test for it in the first place?

  64. freefromwhatyouare says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:35 am
    “There isn’t anything in this appeal more dramatic than any other players appeal”

    ================

    Hiring high priced criminal defense attorney Alex Spiro for a dirty piss test case is not dramatic? Give me a break. Edelman apologized already. He knows he is guilty. The Pats want this deny deny deny crap because that is what they do. Big dramatic ordeal and cue the we were wronged chant.

    Guilty as sin.
    ==========================
    If Edelman knew he was guilty he wouldn’t be appealing. Hiring outside counsel is anything but unique. Accepting it or not that will do little to change that fact.

    Edelman and everybody else doesn’t even know what substance he was suspended for using. Knew he was guilty indeed. Give ME a break already.

  65. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:05 am
    Edelman should tell everyone he’s going to take it all the way to the Supreme Court like Brady threatened to do, right before serving his four-game suspension. These cheaters are a laugh a minute. “What cell phone?”
    =======================
    The same cell phone Goodell never bothered to look at?

  66. jahbrohknee says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:17 am
    The thing that people keep missing is that, there is a list of approved substances. Anything OTHER than that list of approved substances is considered a fail, even if its just some new kind of headache medicine. If you’re told you’re ONLY allowed to have Coke, Pepsi, and RC and you come up positive for some ‘unknown’ type of soda you got at some backwoods truck stop, it doesn’t matter if its just Faygo cola. Its NOT one of the 3 approved sodas. It’s that simple.

    The rule is there to keep ahead of the new supplements and drugs being created. The NFL tests them individually and makes a judgement if they’re allowed or not. Before they make those judgements, guess what? They’re not allowed.
    ========================
    The problem is you’re wrong. The NFL maintains a list of banned substances. It’s ironically called “NFL List of Prohibited Substances” and proceeds to list them out as follows … “The following substances and methods are prohibited by the National Football League:”

    The issue here is the substance is not on the list and a player got suspended. Right or wrong the player has the right to know what he was suspended for.

  67. Word is the the lab changed the test result to “unrecognized substance” after Edelman sent private eyes posing as law enforcement to the tester’s house and also to view paperwork which they supposedly left just as they found it, which explains the paperwork problem. But none of that matters. The substance that was sent to his house was for his girlfriend anyway! No harm no foul.

  68. willycents says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:05 am
    So, the appeal is based on mishandling paperwork? Not the fact he pissed hot, but, a paperwork issue? For one, I find it difficult to believe that, after thousands of tests, the league chose this one to muff the paperwork.
    Pats fans will be screaming that, due to paperwork, he is innocent, even though, he essentially admitted he threw a hot test.

    20 80 Rate This

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    Yes.

    Willy Sense.

    You’ve shown your IQ to be VERY low in other threads. What did he test positive for?

  69. steverolley says:
    June 25, 2018 at 10:30 am
    Patriots fans are such hypocrites.

    This same exact situation happened to Richard Sherman and every Pat’s loving fan on PFT claimed it was Pete Carroll cheating (seriously go back and look at the comments in the stories)

    Now shoes on the other foot and…. That’s right folks it’s a witch hunt. Lol!
    ==================================
    And yet Sherman hired outside counsel so according to many here it’s “dramatic” and unnecessary since he clearly was “guilty”.

  70. freefromwhatyouare says:
    June 25, 2018 at 10:48 am
    When the handling of the sample process is your defense to this then you are admitting guilt.

    The defense is not “No I 100% did not use something I shouldn’t have”

    Edelman apologized for what he did and now high priced lawyers are going to argue that the “process” was mishandled.

    Guilty.
    =====================
    Again, all you (and everybody else who believes this) have to do is detail what substance Edelman was suspended for and the conversation ends quickly.

  71. fireroger says:
    June 25, 2018 at 11:05 am
    jahbrohknee says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:17 am
    The thing that people keep missing is that, there is a list of approved substances. Anything OTHER than that list of approved substances is considered a fail, even if its just some new kind of headache medicine. If you’re told you’re ONLY allowed to have Coke, Pepsi, and RC and you come up positive for some ‘unknown’ type of soda you got at some backwoods truck stop, it doesn’t matter if its just Faygo cola. Its NOT one of the 3 approved sodas. It’s that simple.

    The rule is there to keep ahead of the new supplements and drugs being created. The NFL tests them individually and makes a judgement if they’re allowed or not. Before they make those judgements, guess what? They’re not allowed.
    ========================
    The problem is you’re wrong. The NFL maintains a list of banned substances. It’s ironically called “NFL List of Prohibited Substances” and proceeds to list them out as follows … “The following substances and methods are prohibited by the National Football League:”

    The issue here is the substance is not on the list and a player got suspended. Right or wrong the player has the right to know what he was suspended for.

    ———————

    It’s in the CBA that the player has to be notified of what the substance is. That’s correct.

    It smells like Goodell has been caught cheating again here, and with the leak of the Edelman story, it could have been that they felt like announcing it before the appeal, he would not appeal it like he is doing today.

    I would imagine the union is very aware of what Goodell’s cheating is here intended to do here, hence the vigorous appeal.

  72. williamshatnerstoupee says:
    June 25, 2018 at 10:57 am
    What a sad fan base. Utterly embarrassing
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    I Agree…. the fan base of the 31 other teams is Utterly Embarrasing to Patriot fans.,…Kraft was so spot on when he said jealousy & envy are incurable diseases!!!

  73. If we’re working under the premise that a PED suspension constitutes cheating I would like to thank those people for vindicating the fact that every team cheats.

    I guess we can finally put that one to rest.

  74. rightly or wrongly i assume my man edelman got some medicinal help trying to get back on the field. i don’t care about that. i just hope this proves to be another embarrassment for clown goodell and his band of over paid incompetents. he needs to go.

  75. jahbrohknee says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:17 am
    The thing that people keep missing is that, there is a list of approved substances.

    You got that backwards. They have a list of prohibited substances. Just not sure how he get’s a suspension for taking something not on the list.

  76. Does not matter what the substance is.If it shows up as similar to the 71 banned substances it is a positive test. If a new PED drug comes along should we just allow it? No, there are rules written for that situation.

    Edelman isn’t even denying he used something he should not have. They are arguing paperwork and the process. So when he loses his appeal what are you going to say? Face it, no matter what you will always claim nothing was done wrong by the Patriots here. No one else on earth has that feeling EXCEPT Patriot fans. Hmmm. Wonder why😒

    Do you at least admit you cheated in spygate? That was fully proven and even the Pats and Belichick admit they cheated.

    The fans? Some still claim the league framed them. Never ending😩

  77. jahbrohknee says:
    June 25, 2018 at 9:17 am
    The thing that people keep missing is that, there is a list of approved substances. Anything OTHER than that list of approved substances is considered a fail, even if its just some new kind of headache medicine.

    ——————————————

    You’re just make things up now. Provide a reference for this statement or retract it.

  78. freefromwhatyouare says:
    June 25, 2018 at 12:18 pm……………

    Do you at least admit you cheated in spygate?….
    ———————————————————

    We admit, and point out, all the time that every team in the NFL has been caught “cheating,” and that the Pats have been caught less frequently than many of the team’s in the league (“many” as in 15-20). Yet so many of you act like the Pats are the only team that has ever been caught “cheating”, which explains why this thread will probably have over 200 posts before it is done.

  79. “Do you at least admit you cheated in spygate?….”

    Yes, the Pats had a camera approximately 30′ out of position for the first game of the 2007 season in the age of zoom lenses. Hardly the crime or “cheat” of the century. That was used to record information that was visible to 70,000 people or so, that would have been no different if the camera had been in its proper position and the zoom lens was forced to make up for that 30′ or so. Or for that matter could have been collated by hand an then matched up to game film later.

    Was it a minor infraction? Yes, of course. Was it some mystical telepathic system that magically allowed the Pats to win games they otherwise would not have? Hardly.

  80. whywerule says:
    June 25, 2018 at 7:41 am
    Unfortunately even if the “unrecognized substance” that the NFL’s brilliant scientists (sarcasm intended) found was simply Type B blood, Julian’s only chance of not being suspended is if one of the Manning’s adopts him in the next 24 hours.

    ——–

    Or the Maras

  81. footballpat says:
    June 25, 2018 at 11:50 am
    Supposedly after the cup was sealed it leaked and the handler transferred the fluid to an unsealed cup. Case closed chain of custody issues.
    ___________________________________________________________________________________
    If that’s even remotely true than the test is NO GOOD, and the results are tainted.

  82. footballpat says:
    June 25, 2018 at 11:50 am
    Supposedly after the cup was sealed it leaked and the handler transferred the fluid to an unsealed cup. Case closed chain of custody issues.
    ——-
    Isn’t that exactly what happened with Sherman?

    Slam dunk win on appeal if it was.

  83. Hopefully Edelman will win on technicality but I have to say the damage is already done.

  84. Yes, the Pats had a camera approximately 30′ out of position for the first game of the 2007 season in the age of zoom lenses… That was used to record information that was visible to 70,000 people or so,
    ———————-
    should add that it was also in full view of the opposing team and coaches and a national TV audience, i.e., they’re not very good at hiding their “cheating”.

  85. There is always a “breach of confidentiality” and everyone, including the writers love it when there is. Writers like it because its the hot story. Readers love it because it is the hot story – unless it is their team in which case it is an outrage.

  86. Yes, the Pats had a camera approximately 30′ out of position for the first game of the 2007 season in the age of zoom lenses… That was used to record information that was visible to 70,000 people or so,
    ———————-
    should add that it was also in full view of the opposing team and coaches and a national TV audience, i.e., they’re not very good at hiding their “cheating”.

    ——-

    That qualifies as spying for a lot of people

  87. footballpat says:
    June 25, 2018 at 11:50 am
    Supposedly after the cup was sealed it leaked and the handler transferred the fluid to an unsealed cup. Case closed chain of custody issues.

    ————————
    So that means there are two leaks that Edelman can raise as an issue.

  88. Surf Bandits says:
    June 25, 2018 at 1:32 pm
    footballpat says:
    June 25, 2018 at 11:50 am
    Supposedly after the cup was sealed it leaked and the handler transferred the fluid to an unsealed cup. Case closed chain of custody issues.
    ___________________________________________________________________________________
    If that’s even remotely true than the test is NO GOOD, and the results are tainted.

    ———————-
    Kind of gross too

  89. I could care less about the substance being unknown… The history of that franchise is rich with innovation in all things cheating.

  90. idiedpretty says:
    June 25, 2018 at 1:53 pm
    Brady will show up, sing some U2, sign autographs, and Edelman will skate free.

    ———————
    If Edelman got let off scott free in return for Brady agreeing not to sing anymore I would call that a fair exchange.

    If Edelman got his suspension changed to having to sit and listen to Brady sing I would call that outrageously inconsistent heavy penalties being handed down by Goodell

  91. My team is above cheating. They consistently suck every year to the point they are not relevant even in their host city and they never sell out home games and no one talks about them at the water cooler,..good lord I wish they would start cheating

  92. You Pats fans are so cute. Tripping over each other to name the real villains, or the reasons behind everything. You should really start a facebook group so you can all agree on the same story there, before coming here.

    Meanwhile, the other fans here are dying laughing at how seriously you defend your precious team. As though the team or its players are even remotely related to you. It could not be easier to get under your skin, you can’t let a single comment go without addressing every point. Then you turn around and tell us how great it is to be a Pats fan 😂

  93. Haha screw Tom Brady, screw the Pats. Bunch of dirty cheaters

    Nick Foles still managed to own you!

    GO BIRDS!

  94. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    June 25, 2018 at 8:10 am
    That’s right Patriots fans, as you’re getting your next DUI (I’m sure you get a lot of them), explain to the cop that if he can’t tell you what kind of Whiskey you were drinking, then you’re not drunk. Let us know how that works out for you.
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    Ridiculous. It’s Jameson’s, boyo.

  95. Not well versed on the CBA, but from what little has been insinuated in various articles, I’m not sure I follow the rationale behind a player appealing a suspension… Isn’t Roger judge, jury and executioner?

    And the CBA grants that even if he’s found wrong, he can do whatever he likes to a player?

  96. This reminds me of the law in the State of California where you are guilty of DUI if a bannee substance shows up in your system even if that substance was prescribed to you and even though, unlike alcohol, a blood test can’t definitely establish that you took the drug during or just befire driving (the metabolites remain in your system for at least 72 hours). At least some drivers like those with dicumented disorders like Type 1 diabetes and sleep apnea can claim there is an alternative explanation for their impairment (in other states). Hypoglycemia for example.

  97. aj66shanghai says:
    June 25, 2018 at 10:42 pm
    You Pats fans are so cute. Tripping over each other to name the real villains, or the reasons behind everything. You should really start a facebook group so you can all agree on the same story there, before coming here.

    Meanwhile, the other fans here are dying laughing at how seriously you defend your precious team. As though the team or its players are even remotely related to you. It could not be easier to get under your skin, you can’t let a single comment go without addressing every point. Then you turn around and tell us how great it is to be a Pats fan 😂
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    It is great to be a Pats fan. We enjoy haters from every other team on anything Pats related. Pats fans aren’t defending their team. They’re defending ignorance with just a hint of jealousy. Evidence by your very post in this thread.

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