Work stoppage won’t work until players will go without pay

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Rams running back Todd Gurley made headlines recently for musing to TMZ that NFL players could get fully-guaranteed contracts via a work stoppage. Whether that’s successful depends largely on one factor: The willingness of players to go without game checks.

Gurley specifically mentioned a “lockout,” which is a work stoppage implemented by the owners after the Collective Bargaining Agreement expires. The NFL did that in 2011, and the players responded by shutting down the union. That set the stage for a potentially viable lawsuit against the league, because without the union in place any collective job action by 32 different businesses arguably violates federal antitrust laws.

To make that strategy work, the players would need to wait for both the judicial process to unfold and for the damages to mount. In the end, the players could have delivered a multi-billion-dollar blow to the league, getting every penny they would have made that year for playing football, times three.

Before that happens, however, the players have to be willing to go a year without playing football, which means going a year without getting paid to play football.

Players can initiate a work stoppage after the CBA ends by going on strike. Under that scenario, there would be no lawsuit. Instead, the players would withhold services (and also refrain from getting paid) until the economic pressure causes the owners to blink.

During the last strike, in 1987, the owners didn’t blink. They hired replacements. And the strike ended just a few weeks later.

Both strategies rely on the players having a short-term willingness to do without. Seven years ago, they didn’t. Three years from now, will they?

I asked Gurley that question during a Saturday #PFTPM interview, and it became clear that he hasn’t thought that many moves ahead. Still, to get the best possible deal in early 2021, the players need to first be committed to not getting paid. They then need to have a plan for replacing part of the lost revenue during all of the 2021 season.

Near the end of the 2011 lockout, reports emerged late in the negotiating process of a vaguely-defined insurance policy that would have compensated the players in the event the lockout lingered. Whatever that was, it wasn’t enough to get the players to decline the last, best offer that was on the table before preseason games (other than the Hall of Fame game) were canceled. This time, with legalized betting beginning to proliferate, the players should consider making plans now to stage their own games during a strike or a lockout.

Gurley seemed to be intrigued by that possibility when I mentioned it to him on Saturday. It will take a lot more than intrigue, however, to lay the foundation for the players to say to the owners, “We’ll start our own thing instead.”

Ultimately, that’s the kind of move that would force NFL owners to believe that the players are willing to skip NFL games. And it’s the kind of alternative opportunity that needs to be in place before enough players ever would.

Without something like that, a strike would never get off the ground, and a lockout would end (like it did in 2011) with the players reluctantly taking whatever they can get in order to avoid a period of getting nothing.

89 responses to “Work stoppage won’t work until players will go without pay

  1. I hope these disrespectful, ungrateful players do try a work stoppage.
    I want to see the Owners crush them. these players are forgetting just who runs the league, and who pays their salaries.
    You can not let these players force a team into giving them what they want.
    The owners can go without a check much longer than these players. So let them stop work, and even when the players cave, drag it out even longer till they are indebted forever.
    Show every player in the league and remind them, of exactly who the true BOSSES are

    Each owner needs to sit down with these people and say, look here boy, I know what you want and are trying to do. But I am the owner, and you will do what I want you to do, not what you want you to do.
    Make these players beg to come back to work, and become grateful to their owners

  2. “They then need to have a plan for replacing part of the lost revenue during all of the 2021 season.”

    Well the job market has been improving this last little more than a year so perhaps there is hooe for them.

  3. “They then need to have a plan for replacing part of the lost revenue during all of the 2021 season.”

    Well the job market has been improving this last little more than a year so perhaps there is hope for them.

  4. Defensive players should get paid based on
    how many times two hands touch the opponent.

    Offensive players should get paid based on how many ovations
    he receives for selfish, elaborate Broadway dance routines
    and expensive, customized cleats glamorizing criminals.

  5. Lifetime Ban For Kneelers says:
    July 8, 2018 at 8:41 am

    Each owner needs to sit down with these people and say, look here boy, I know what you want and are trying to do. But I am the owner, and you will do what I want you to do, not what you want you to do.

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    Thanks for finally proving me wrong when I’ve disagreed with all those people who argue that the NFL has a plantation mentality.

  6. Of course Gurley hadn’t thought that many moves ahead. He, like most players, are only interested in how much money he’s going to get.

  7. This time, with legalized betting beginning to proliferate, the players should consider making plans now to stage their own games during a strike or a lockout.
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    For someone who makes their living off the NFL, you sure seem to want to kill it….

  8. The ones complaining the most are getting paid the most.The lower paid players and practice squad players probably need their money and will not strike for that long.

  9. It’s almost like the players don’t even like the company that pays them millions.

  10. What about those players who are under contract? Couldn’t the owners bar them from staging their own games?

  11. I honestly don’t think the NFL ratings are as good as they report. TV has no choice they have spent billions for the rights to games so telling people anything other then the ratings are the highest ever would be a mistake. ANYONE with a brain knows the ratings have been going down and it’s not because of kneeling. It’s mainly because the NFL got too greedy.. if 2 people want to go see their team between tickets, food, hotels, etc they are looking at about 2400… no one wants to do that anymore. I don’t blame the players for wanting more money but when you hurt yourself with a HUGELY bad contract that’s your fault. The NFL will do what it did the last time…..just get other players. I mean you’re good and that’s awesome but you are not replaceable……

  12. Each year the salary cap is finite. Guaranteed contracts mean some players will get money from this pie even if they are no longer earning it. This means there is less for the remaining players on the team. The fans of that team and the remaining players bear the consequences of the team then trying to compete with fewer dollars than other teams.

    As long as the teams are forced to pay the players as a whole, the salary cap floor, then players as a group are getting what they bargained for.

  13. It’s funny that Gurley is fine with a work stoppage, how big was his contract? The problem here is that all the players who are financially secure enough to go a year without pay are a minority in the union. The vast majority of the nfl players have a career that lasts about 4 years, that means giving up 25% of their earning potential.

    Secondly, the NFL owners and GMs are the shrewdest when it comes to contracts, does anyone really think that an aging player like Dez or Demarco Murray huge extentions if the contracts are guarenteed? NFL players getting fully guarenteed contracts will blow up in their faces. Owners aren’t going to take that kind of risk on replacable players. QB’s will get those kind of contracts but no one will be dumb enough to sign a RB to a long term guarenteed deal.

  14. This time, with legalized betting beginning to proliferate, the players should consider making plans now to stage their own games during a strike or a lockout.

    Gurley seemed to be intrigued by that possibility when I mentioned it to him on Saturday. It will take a lot more than intrigue, however, to lay the foundation for the players to say to the owners, “We’ll start our own thing instead.”
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    Some people just want to watch the world burn.

  15. if nfl players would never do anything to jeopardize their incomes…so work stoppage or walk out is a joke

  16. I used to negotiate labor contracts. The NFL contract/ union is easy to break because of the vast differences in salary.
    Divide and conquer. Hey , majority of players, who only have a playing career of 3 years. Do you want to give up 1/3 of your career and a chance to make it big in the NFL so the top players can make more money ? Owners proposal: Up minimum salaries giving the majority of players a raise. Have a secret ballot on the proposal, done.
    This isn’t a typical Teamsters contract where everyone makes the same amount, have common goal and you all have a 35-40 year career. Giving up a couple of months is worth it.Not the sae in the NFL.

  17. i could care less if they used a non union guy instead of gurley. Who by the way, is worthless if qb cant throw

  18. I doubt the free agents of 2020/21 that are hoping to cash in will have much patience. They will want to cash in the lottery ticket they paid for with blood and sweat, not go on strike. Add those guys to the stack of journeymen who didn’t have a chance to save a year’s worth of NFL lifestyle. Finally, the players under the last year of their contract who are hoping for one final year of playing at max income may not give up their last year of production. Unless the Player’s Union has a whole bunch of money ready to pay out, they will have a very hard time keeping everyone motivated.

  19. More indications the inmates are trying to run the nuthouse.
    That this crap has gotten this far, can be laid at the feet of the appeasing, weak, greedy NFL lead by that self anointed fool, Goodell and aided and abetted by Jones, Kraft, Snyder.
    People like me used to watch sports, to get away with the common every day problems such as nagging wives, stupid bosses, yelling little brats.
    The NFL has turned into this and it will get worse.

  20. The vast majority of NFL players are riding the bubble and know their NFL careers will be short and sweet. The owners’ strategy will try to appease the vast majority (who have the leverage) while stripping away whatever they can get from the superstars. It is what it is and will run its course one way or the other, whether the clodpole onlookers like it or not.

  21. In other words, there isn’t going to be a work stoppage.

    There would need to be better grounds for a strike than what the players have now. Part of this could be resolved by the natural progression of contracts moving towards fewer years with a larger percentage of guaranteed money, but there just isn’t enough player support for a work stoppage. This isn’t 1982, when the players were making far less a percentage of the overall monetary intake than they are today.

  22. If they do move to guaranteed contracts, I’d bet players will earn less over the length of their career. Non QB’s will get 1 significant multi-year contract after their rookie deal expires. At the first sign of aging or decline in play and they will be playing year to year on what amounts to annual “prove-it” deals.

  23. Lifetime Ban For Kneelers says:
    July 8, 2018 at 8:41 am
    I hope these disrespectful, ungrateful players do try a work stoppage.
    I want to see the Owners crush them. these players are forgetting just who runs the league, and who pays their salaries.
    You can not let these players force a team into giving them what they want.
    The owners can go without a check much longer than these players. So let them stop work, and even when the players cave, drag it out even longer till they are indebted forever.
    Show every player in the league and remind them, of exactly who the true BOSSES are

    Each owner needs to sit down with these people and say, look here boy, I know what you want and are trying to do. But I am the owner, and you will do what I want you to do, not what you want you to do.
    Make these players beg to come back to work, and become grateful to their owners
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    A person can only hope you are a lame troll and not remotely as ignorant as is otherwise indicated by your comment. Then again, ignorance always goes together with racism and you’ve made it clear you are one of them.

  24. Lifetime Ban For Kneelers says:

    July 8, 2018 at 8:41 am

    I hope these disrespectful, ungrateful players do try a work stoppage.
    I want to see the Owners crush them. these players are forgetting just who runs the league, and who pays their salaries.
    You can not let these players force a team into giving them what they want.
    The owners can go without a check much longer than these players. So let them stop work, and even when the players cave, drag it out even longer till they are indebted forever.
    Show every player in the league and remind them, of exactly who the true BOSSES are

    Each owner needs to sit down with these people and say, look here boy, I know what you want and are trying to do. But I am the owner, and you will do what I want you to do, not what you want you to do.
    Make these players beg to come back to work, and become grateful to their owners

    ________________

    President Trump, is that you?

  25. Oh, won’t someone think of the posses and hangers-on? How will they get paid under this worst-case scenario?

  26. Making contracts fully guaranteed makes the league less competitive and decays the product on the field IMO. What real incentive do they have to give it everything they’ve got on every play if their money is fully guaranteed? What if their talent starts to fade and the team is stuck paying this bloated contract for a player that isn’t all that good anymore?

    It hurts the league and the product on the field. I mean look at the mess the NHL is in due to guaranteed contracts. You have teams being forced to sign guys to 8-10 year deals or they face the prospect of losing that star player because if they don’t pay up, some other team will.

  27. “and it became clear that he hasn’t thought that many moves ahead.”

    Big shock. Guys like to say stuff that sounds good but in reality what NBA players are getting is irrelevant to what NFL players will get. Two entirely different sports. In the NBA, the players unquestionably run the league. In the NFL, it is the owners, as they’ve demonstrated time and time again.

    If NFL players want NBA style contracts and pay, better learn to dribble and shoot.

  28. surprising (or maybe not) to see so many commentators take a pro ownership view

    you get what you get through negotiation and bargaining. if the players are attempting to secure more of a piece of the why, why are these communist-loving posters bashing them?

    do people really care what kind of hardware tools Arthur Blank sells, or what kind of oil derricks Jerry Jones has???

  29. captainwhodat says:
    July 8, 2018 at 10:38 am
    maybe the NFL’s purpose is to serve as a bad example…like the girl down the street your parents always warned you about…

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    Lol, when my parents warned me to stay away from a girl I just had to check her out.

  30. Dear Todd,

    I don’t care if your future earnings are guaranteed or not. Do you care about me? Of course not… so guess what? Yeah.

    Owners will write checks to players. There is a salary floor, after all. People are getting paid, and the more the top guys get guaranteed the less the average 4-year scrub will ever get.

    _Fan

  31. For the most part these guys are uneducated when it comes to financial security. That is why so many ex-NFLers end up bankrupt. Some even homeless. To think they could make it a year without their million dollar paychecks is a joke. They’re more interested in “making it rain” and driving a Bentley then they are building for a future beyond the NFL.
    Some will call me a racist by saying this. Nope, not a racist. This isn’t a black/white issue. This goes for players of every color. I call it like I see it and I’m willing to speak the truth.
    The past begets the future and there is nothing to show that these players will all of a sudden become finance majors.
    Sorry players. Owners are owners because they are ruthless business guys. None of you are so stay in line, earn your big fat checks and be grateful for what you have. It’s more than 99.9% of the world’s population.

  32. Someone needs to design a robot that plays football, isn’t programmed to kneel, doesn’t wear pig socks, and refuses to join the union.

  33. What is striking is that black players with no other marketable skills other than to catch a football, run with one, or to bully other players are whining about being underpaid. Half of them should be fired for their own cause of social justice.

    I hope these type of players continue to sink the NFL – they’ve already showed me I can be without pro football on a Sunday with their pathetic socialist causes. I hope they kill the product and force these clowns to value education over wearing athletic wear.

  34. The players are all being overpaid as it is. If they don’t like it they can always get a real job on their basket weaving education and enjoy a real pay scale.

  35. “ANYONE with a brain knows the ratings have been going down and it’s not because of kneeling. It’s mainly because the NFL got too greedy..”

    Absolutely true! Most football fans don’t give a hoot whether the players kneel or not. They just want to see their teams play football. But…with the technology in place now where they can see ALL of their team’s games, even if they live in another region, fans no longer are really interested in seeing just “any” game. The NFL got too greedy when they added Thursday Night Football to the already crowded TV schedule. Nobody likes Thursday Night Football, not the players or the fans. The only one who wants it is the NFL so they can squeeze more money out of the networks.

  36. Unlike other sports, football fans don’t really follow the player. We follow the team. I’d watch scabs play just as much as I’d watch the stars play. As long as they wore my teams uniform. They’d probably be better games, with players that truly want to be there.

  37. Haven’t you noticed that the AAF is “NFL friendly”. And the NFL is fine with the AAF? That the AAF is potentially to be a stepping stone to the NFL? And that the XFL has NFL influence?

    Is this an accident? That after nearly 2 decades of no real alternative to the NFL, that all of the sudden we may have 2 leagues in addition?

    The NFL loves this. There are your replacement players in advance of a lockout. What better way to expand the league than have players with experience at the ready? And you know if either of these leagues are successful, the NFL will buy in. What better way to build the health of the league than to have this system in place. With the AAF and XFL, the NFL players have 0.0% chance of a lockout succeeding.

    The NFL will win in this. As it always has…

  38. NFL Players have much shorter careers than those of other sports. They are much less likely to want to strike.

    P)layers can have fully guaranteed contracts now. They will just be for a shorter time (2-3 years), or for less money than the typical 4-5 year contract.
    Kirk Cousins got a 3 year fully guaranteed contract.
    If a good pass rusher became a free agent, he could get a fully guaranteed 2-3 year contract.

    The problem with long term contracts is players can decline quickly or just dog it (Darrelle Revis, Mohammed Wilkerson, Albert Haynesworth). For a team to eat a 5 year contract they need a discount off the going rate.

    Players are better off taking 2-3 year guaranteed contracts and forgetting about the phony 4-5 year contracts where the player is cut after 2-3 years.

  39. They will not strike. Players are making hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars and they are living PAY CHECK TO PAYCHECK with the exception of a very smart few.

  40. A few reasons a work stoppage/players without checks won’t work:

    1) Babies mommas gotta get paid
    2) Hanger-ons and player’s posse gotta get paid/stuff
    3) Players in general aren’t that smart with their money, they gotta get paid
    4) Higher % of players on each team don’t get “Star” money and can’t hold out too long

    I’m sure there are several more reasons

  41. One thing’s for sure…any conversation about labor issues between pro athletes and owners will reveal that the average Joe will side with the tax-supported billionaires over the workers every time.

  42. And therein lies the real rub. Just like everything in life there are have’s and have nots even when talking about professional athletes. Gurley clearly could actually hold out. He already has made more in his few NFL years than many of the “average” players. A strike is unlikely to work because it would entail convincing the average guy to go without pay and they like many of us couldn’t afford that. Until the players union comes up with a real plan to subsidize those on the bottom of the payscale this won’t work. As crazy as it sounds they could actually plan ahead and start a security fund that would probably put them in a far better position. The problem is the guys at the top that would be in the best position contribute the dollars to back such a fund.. won’t do it. I actual find it humerous when they talk about a strike as it rarely works because… there are people that will absolutely take their positions. They might not do it as well but at the end of the day football will continue without the current crop of players. That’s why the owners will win.

  43. Isn’t it entertaining to see comments from people who obviously have no education and most likely can barely make their car payments lecturing others on personal finance matters? Quite an imagination these idiots must have.

  44. They could possibly get guaranteed money but the contracts WILL be shorter and for less money. After the rookie contract, I doubt anyone besides QBs will get contracts longer than than years. Under the current system, part of the guaranteed money CAN be given as a signing bonus and spread over the life of the contract. For example, $35 million signing bonus over 7 years makes it $5/year plus his base salary, for those years. I don’t see that happening with the current guaranteed money being dispensed today. Especially if you have to do it over a shorter term.

    But the BIGGEST obstacle is still going to be the current players will NOT have saved up to withstand missing paychecks. And MOST of the incoming players left college; sometimes early, to get paid. And since they’re NOT in school, they really need that income.

  45. NFL owners, either by their own labor/effort/guile, or their relatives labor/effort/guile, have financial security beyond imagination.
    NFLPA players (99%), however, majored in some useless major to which there is no job market for in the real world. THAT is why they all demand to get “paid”.
    History has shown that NFLPA players are amazingly stupid with their money, stupid on an epic scale. THAT is another reason why they are so desperate to get “paid”.
    NFL owners, on the other hand, are NOT stupid with their money, and they will NOT cave in the the demands of the players because fans loyalty is to TEAMs, not players.
    That is what the NFLPA players fail to understand.
    Why don’t NFLPA players demand that the top 20% of NFLPA players reduce their salaries so that those on the bottom of the pay scale can have some more security?
    After all, THAT is what the democrats demand of private sector corporations.
    Surely De Smith can find a way to redistribute money from the top earners to give to the lower earners.
    What? Players don’t like this idea? But….but….this is Saul Alinsky socialism that the left has taught for decades.
    Capitalism ftw.

  46. The reason guaranteed contracts stink… The Mets guaranteed Bobby Bonilla’s baseball contract. To defer payments, the Mets, pay out $1.64 million until the year 2033. He last played for them in 1999.

    In the end, the fans pay the price of these contracts. Higher prices, reduced competition.

    Playing in the NFL is a privilege. Once you guarantee contracts the players will believe it is their right to perform as they see fit. Meaning? Players will under perform.

  47. I don’t think the money is so much “mismanged.” I also dont buy into the thought that the players (on the whole) are dumb or need to pay babby momma’s or any other marginal thoughts being written here. It’s more about the difference between wages of those at the bottom versus those at the top. The majority of players on the roster are not making millions. They are making a decent wage but are not making millions of dollars. Not to mention that some of them are fringe players who have a limited shelf-life in the league. It is difficult for the those guys to walk away from work for a year. Hell they may not even be on the roster when play resumes for those guys I can understand why a strike is not an option.

  48. mark888p says:
    July 8, 2018 at 11:20 am
    Let them work at McDonald’s for a year and then see if they think they are not getting paid enough.
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    Aren’t you afraid that would put you out of a job?

  49. formerchargersapologist says:
    July 8, 2018 at 2:47 pm
    The reason guaranteed contracts stink… The Mets guaranteed Bobby Bonilla’s baseball contract. To defer payments, the Mets, pay out $1.64 million until the year 2033. He last played for them in 1999.

    In the end, the fans pay the price of these contracts. Higher prices, reduced competition.

    Playing in the NFL is a privilege. Once you guarantee contracts the players will believe it is their right to perform as they see fit. Meaning? Players will under perform.
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    How about management is held responsible for their bad judgement? After all, they made the offer and agreed that was the guy’s market value.

    In the case of Bonilla, they agreed to a deferred salary payment plan as part of his contract. Bonilla received a less per year while playing than the average for players on his level. If Met’s management failed to invest to cover the deferred payments, that’s on them.

    These guys get market value and market determined conditions. They are seeking to influence the market. What exactly is wrong with that?

    Playing in the NFL is a privilege? No it’s not. It’s a job a lot of dumb people want. Just because there are way more people for the jobs than there are jobs doesn’t make it a privilege. It’s a job like any other job and the workers want the best deal possible.

    Over paid? Let me ask you something – when you go to work what is the probability your are going to get your head smashed in? Tear your knee and be crippled for the next 50 years? Suffer brain damage? Is your job one the has an average lifespan of four years?

  50. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    July 8, 2018 at 2:14 pm
    Isn’t it entertaining to see comments from people who obviously have no education and most likely can barely make their car payments lecturing others on personal finance matters? Quite an imagination these idiots must have.

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    Exactly. I couldn’t have said it better!

  51. mark888p says:
    July 8, 2018 at 11:20 am
    Let them work at McDonald’s for a year and then see if they think they are not getting paid enough.

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    Why would they work at McDonalds? They have enough start up money to own their own. When you play in the NFL They don’t live paycheck to paycheck.

  52. I vote for a strike and “replacement” players. In just a couple years the NFL will have a new set of stars that I will gladly watch and root for as long as they are not idiots like most of the current ones.

  53. At the next “work” stoppage, I’m done. Soccer is better anyway. Less BS and no commercials ever

  54. They might not make as much but they could hop on the AAF or XFL teams and make a pay check while holding out. This in turn might give one or both of these leagues a chance of catching hold and then the NFL would have some real headaches to deal with.

  55. disqus11111 says:
    July 8, 2018 at 3:25 pm
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    Over paid? Let me ask you something – when you go to work what is the probability your are going to get your head smashed in? Tear your knee and be crippled for the next 50 years? Suffer brain damage? Is your job one the has an average lifespan of four years?

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    Police and Correcrional Officers put themselves in far more danger at a fraction of the compensation. And yet some of these players have the audacity to protest these people.

    Most NFL players would be working minimum wage jobs or turning to crime if it were not for the NFL. They should shut up and play.

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  56. During the last work stoppage, players were taking out high interest rate loans to survive. Add today’s athlete or NFL Union member are tier employees, where the haves get the biggest piece of the pie.

    As for the pearl clutching over a term by one poster, he trolled you. He literally triggered your girlish sensibilities into being a snowflake. Do not feed trolls.

  57. benwaballs11 says:
    July 8, 2018 at 4:23 pm
    At the next “work” stoppage, I’m done. Soccer is better anyway. Less BS and no commercials ever

    I mite be done but Soccer is lame.

  58. Half the players live paycheck to paycheck. The loan companies that lend to them in the off-season make killer profits. They will cave like they always do.

  59. have enough start up money to own their own. When you play in the NFL They don’t live paycheck to paycheck.

    Lol think so? Some would be ok, many would not

  60. They already have guaranteed contracts. They should know exactly what is guaranteed and what isn’t. That’s why so much money is payed upfront as signing bonuses and then extra years are added to the guaranteed years in order for teams to work the cap.

  61. Who cares. Shut the whole league down for good. Low life players, loser owners and a corrupt front office. I’ll watch Golf and Nascar before I watch these bums.

  62. I think that the NFL will easily survive a player strike. This isn’t 1987/88. Free agents are much better prepared to play both in fitness terms and mentality. Fans are also more focused on supporting a team rather than an individual player. The coaching staff will remain the same, and the efforts put towards scouting by teams these days is so much more in-depth than a few decades ago. Teams have lists of players who can come in and either substitute an entire team, or individual players.

    The NFL might need to miss a week or two should strike action take place right before or in the middle of a season (if starting in the off deason then no time would be lost), but the product they put on the field would be worth watching.

    In fact, it might be the best thing to happen to the the NFL right now, as it will humble so many “me first” players.

    Over all, I would prefer the players to have a maximum amount they can earn in a given year, increase the money for players at the bottom end of the market, and team owners having to give more money towards good causes – or paying other non-player employees a better wage (cheerleaders, office staff, ground crew etc).

  63. A Strike? It’s more likely to be a lockout by the owners.

    A strike would do jack and nothing during a lockout.

    Meanwhile if the players ever got the jump on ownership, the NFL would hire replacements again.

    That said, even though many players have made millions, many spend like drunken sailors and wouldn’t be able to hold out long in a strike.

    It is funny that players want more money, when it’s more likely they are going to have to accept less.

    The NFL isn’t guaranteed billions in profits via networks that are incurring billions in losses.

  64. I love to watch American worker bees align themselves with management constantly.

    The American ethos is truly interesting. Everyone feels like they are rich, or COULD be rich or are management or in control when they certainly are not.

    its like stockholm syndrome, every day, economically.

  65. There is a reason why the rich keep getting richer, and there is barely a middle class. reading some of the comments on her, it seems almost everyone is residing to the fact that because someone owns a business they can do as they please. Well, I guess that would be true if anyone of you so called fans ever spent a dollar because of the person who owns your team or because of the product on the field.

    Now, what most of you folks commenting and Florio are also missing is this, NFL players might not even have to strike. next year a new League is starting and in a couple of years, the XFL is returning. The NFL knows this is not the time they want to anger their fans with a work stoppage when other leagues are sitting and willing to take their fan base. So, as much as most people will like to think the NFL and Owners have leverage, 2 new leagues starting in a 2 year span takes that leverage away.

  66. flviking says:
    July 8, 2018 at 3:57 pm
    mark888p says:
    July 8, 2018 at 11:20 am
    Let them work at McDonald’s for a year and then see if they think they are not getting paid enough.

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    Why would they work at McDonalds? They have enough start up money to own their own. When you play in the NFL They don’t live paycheck to paycheck.

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    This is where you are wrong. Its amazing how many of these guys do live paycheck to paycheck. Yes, even with paychecks that big they still do. The fact is, if they all banked their money for the future and lived within a nice but still reasonable standard this topuc would have an entirely different spin with players havimg the stability to stand up to the owners.

  67. If players get fully guaranteed contracts, then teams are less inclined to commit to them long term, since injury is such a big factor in football. Also, if teams cannot get out of a bad contract because the player is not performing, then they won’t have any cap space to sign replacement players. When that happens, it is players who will get hurt. In short, fully guaranteed contracts only benefit players who fail to perform.

  68. flaccotoboldin says:
    July 8, 2018 at 8:50 pm
    I love to watch American worker bees align themselves with management constantly.

    Because most of us know where our money comes from. No poor person has ever paid me a salary.

  69. Wow the support for owners seems abit insane when they don’t do anything and show every few years they don’t care about fans by moving teams/extorting public funds for their own business but reap the windfalls of their franchises while their players/stars do all the work on the field and if you think random replacement could do what Brady, Rodgers, brees etc do your crazy or they wouldn’t get leveled so hard around contract time if they can just get a random replacement for them…

  70. The timing is wrong for your theory. These leagues will not be established enough as their own entities for the next potential work stoppage.

    The markets don’t line up and fans (and their money) is a huge factor. The new leagues will not be able to pay NFL type salaries anytime soon. If those leagues existed already for a decade, or so, maybe. Instead, like I mentioned earlier, these leagues actually give the NFL leverage with replacement players that are more league ready then the replacement players of ’87. Notice the AAF has been “NFL friendly” as per that leagues own admittance. The NFL knows to keep it that way for any potential strike/lockout in a couple years.

    Maybe two CBAs from now these leagues could become a chip for the players. Not even close right now…

  71. I don’t care about the owners or the players I care about the fans and if anybody should go on strike its us. The fans are the ones paying for everything and are more vested in their teams then either the owner or players. Fans don’t become free agents or move on from their teams. Fans pay the costs for shiny new stadiums that make players and owners richer. Screw both of them!

  72. Making contracts fully guaranteed an issue over the mess that is called player discipline is why the players will never win. If you are going in with 20 different issues and you’re happy getting a slice of 4 of them you deserve the right to be quiet.

    The players should be walking because the NFL can’t handle punishment more than anything else. Full stop. They should be able to get that without having to concede anything. Which means they will and in the end they will continue to give the NFL permission to screw players in a capricious and arbitrary manner.

  73. Guaranteed contracts will mean less money per year because owners will factor in the risk of injury and decreased performance. QBs may benefit because they tend to have a longer shelf life than average, but a lot of other positions will just see their average offers per year drop. And if the elite players are seeing the same kind of money, then the non-elite ones will see their offers drop to make up for it. The owners aren’t about to pay half again more money and not try to make it up elsewhere.

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