Drew Brees, Tom Brady in a race toward Peyton Manning’s touchdown record

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Heading into the 2018 season, Saints quarterback Drew Brees and Patriots quarterback Tom Brady are tied on the career passing touchdowns list: Both have thrown exactly 488 touchdowns in their career.

That puts them 51 behind Peyton Manning’s all-time career record of 539, and over the next couple years they’ll race to see which one gets there first.

It’s unlikely that either will break Manning’s record in 2018: Brady’s career high in touchdown passes is 50, and Brees’ career high is 46, so it will probably be 2019 before either one of them gets to Manning.

But assuming they both play at least two more years and both stay healthy, they should both top Manning’s touchdown mark. They could even find themselves in a situation where they’re both breaking each other’s record on a regular basis. That would be reminiscent of the 1983 Major League Baseball season, when pitchers Nolan Ryan and Steve Carlton both broke the previous career strikeout record, and then proceeded to trade the lead back and forth 14 times over the course of that season.

The Brees-Brady touchdown race might just become the hottest story in the NFL, but probably not until 2019.

175 responses to “Drew Brees, Tom Brady in a race toward Peyton Manning’s touchdown record

  1. Records are made to be broken. Well all records EXCEPT the NFL LEADING RUSHING RECORD! Smiths record is UNTOUCHABLE! No one can even come close to sniffing it. Most thought AP would get, how’d that turn out?

  2. Brees is a better QB than Brady. FACT
    He may not have as many titles, but at least his is Legit, and he has always had less talented teams.
    Plus, his wife is hotter than that Giraffe Tom is married to

  3. As I said on PFT a few days ago, if you add in playoff TDs, Brady will pass Peyton this November.

  4. Fun fact: Tom Brady has more postseason touchdowns (71) than Peyton Manning (40) and Drew Brees (29) combined.

    Now THAT is a record that will never be broken.

  5. It’ll be fun to watch for sure. Brees and Brady are still at the pinnacle of the sport at their ages. Who would have thought it?

    What’s really incredible though is that Brady will retire with about double the career playoff TDs as the the distant number 2, Peyton Manning. The Ruthian type records he will add to are just staggering.

  6. They both are amazing and the fact they both held up all these years is a tribute to both their work ethic. You don’t stay that good for this long without working hard at it.

  7. 8.9% more Touchdowns per game in domes than outside. Brady really is alone in passing Brett Favre, adjusted for windless some play.

  8. “The Brees-Brady touchdown race might just become the hottest story in the NFL, but probably not until 2019.”

    Tammy won’t be playing in 2019.

  9. If the GOAT Tom Brady didn’t miss the 2008 season with the torn ACL the same would have been true of the yardage record.

    Brees will have Manning’s record in the trash can by October. Brady is 4000 yards behind Brees.

  10. idiedpretty says:
    July 14, 2018 at 6:40 am
    And they both had to play into their 40s to do so. Manning retired at 38.
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    Manning would have retired a lot sooner if he wasn’t cheating with HGH. 🙂

    If we are being honest Manning’s records are not legit in any way.

  11. Brees would have more Super Bowls if #LyinRoger Goodell didn’t destroy the Saints chances to repeat over complete nonsense.

  12. The way NFL rules keep changing, especially the ones that favor QBs, it’s hard to put much stock in these records. No disrespect to any of these great QBs but many of us will likely see the eventual leader’s record broken within our lifetimes.

  13. keclanton says:
    July 14, 2018 at 7:50 am
    It’ll be fun to watch for sure. Brees and Brady are still at the pinnacle of the sport at their ages. Who would have thought it?

    What’s really incredible though is that Brady will retire with about double the career playoff TDs as the the distant number 2, Peyton Manning. The Ruthian type records he will add to are just staggering.

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    Records are made to be broken for sure. But those ones won’t be in our lifetime nor will any QB win 5 and counting Super Bowl rings.

  14. One fact that yous are not talking about is where they have played.
    Two have played in the comforts of warm weather and dome stadiums
    verses the outside field of New England.
    If you don’t think that matters then you’re all fools!

  15. I hope some of these younger qb’s are ready to become the faces of the league once guys like Brees and Brady retire. Fans or not, we’ve been blessed to watch guys like Brees, Manning and Brady on Sundays. Hopefully the young guys like Carr, Wentz, Watson and rookies like Mayfield and Darnold will be able to fill the void.

  16. brees will eventually own it because he’s younger and i can live with that, brees is a great qb. brady is the undisputed GOAT by any objective measure and he did it all playing in weather, but i will always love brees and the saints for humiliating manning when the press were all set to anoint him. brees was clutch in the biggest moments and manning was the choking dog we all knew he was and continued to be through his entire career. i hope brees lights it up, stays healthy and gets the saints another ring or two.

  17. johnodocks says:
    July 14, 2018 at 8:42 am
    The way NFL rules keep changing, especially the ones that favor QBs, it’s hard to put much stock in these records. No disrespect to any of these great QBs but many of us will likely see the eventual leader’s record broken within our lifetimes.

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    That’s why wins and rings are what matters when comparing the greats across different eras. In fact it is the only legit way to compare.

  18. Brees and Manning played 9 games a year 8 home 1 road in doors
    If you don’t think that helps you’re CRAZY

    Brady has done it playing outdoors in the northeast

    Brady
    GOATX5

  19. Lifetime Ban For Kneelers says:
    July 14, 2018 at 7:03 am
    Brees is a better QB than Brady. FACT
    He may not have as many titles, but at least his is Legit, and he has always had less talented teams.
    Plus, his wife is hotter than that Giraffe Tom is married to

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    Sorry man but that sounds like jealousy at both of them.

  20. Cant wait for this to happen.

    ANYONE but that big-headed, HGH fraud owning this record is a step in the right direction for the NFL.
    Imagine, having one of the most iconic Pro Football records being owned by a fraudulent, Barry Bondsesque cheater like Pey-me* Manning.

    Can’t happen soon enough

  21. GoodellMustGo says:
    July 14, 2018 at 8:40 am
    Brees would have more Super Bowls if #LyinRoger Goodell didn’t destroy the Saints chances to repeat over complete nonsense.

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    You cant say he didnt take the same shot at Brady for the same reasons. Roger does have his patterns.

  22. “Brees is a few years younger and has the edge over Brady. However, Brady will win out in the category that matters most – Super Bowls.”

    Right, which makes Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson and Joey Flacco better QBs than HOFers Dan Marino, Warren Moon and Fran Tarkenton.

  23. When they do eventually pass P. Manning I don’t think they were ever racing towards that goal but more aptly playing as the phenomenal winning Quarterbacks they have always been. Records are great to acquire but winning Championships is their main focus.

  24. No quarterback in the modern era has been helped by defense more than Brady. Top 5 scoring defense 5 times in his career and a top ten scoring defense 11 times in his career and if you think that doesn’t matter you don’t know squat. Even when the Pats defense gave up a lot of yards their SCORING defense was at least middle of the pack. Manning, Brees, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers have not had that kind of help. Doesn’t mean Brady’s not the greatest, it just means he doesn’t win championships, the Patriots do.

  25. The Mannings are frauds and phonies, always will be.

    Not a Saints fan but I have big respect for Drew.

    Brady is the GOAT and both Brees and Peyton would trade their careers for his.

  26. Flash1287 says:
    July 14, 2018 at 8:52 am
    Brees and Manning played 9 games a year 8 home 1 road in doors
    If you don’t think that helps you’re CRAZY

    Brady has done it playing outdoors in the northeast

    Brady
    GOATX5

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    Yes they play in Domes more times than Tom but…..nothing provides a better advantage than going against the high school football teams in the AFC’s worst division. Sure you play those sad sack high school caliber teams outdoors….get off of your high horse about being outdoors.
    The Dolphins,Jets,& Bills have had no coaches or QB’s worth a snot and Tommy gets them 6 games a year.

  27. Poppy123 says:
    July 14, 2018 at 9:33 am
    No quarterback in the modern era has been helped by defense more than Brady. Top 5 scoring defense 5 times in his career and a top ten scoring defense 11 times in his career and if you think that doesn’t matter you don’t know squat. Even when the Pats defense gave up a lot of yards their SCORING defense was at least middle of the pack. Manning, Brees, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers have not had that kind of help. Doesn’t mean Brady’s not the greatest, it just means he doesn’t win championships, the Patriots do.

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    Brady sure was helped by that defense last February….

  28. Bet Manning would rather have Tom Brady’s record FIVE Super Bowl wins than the record for touchdowns!!! Plus no one is ever going to catch Brady’s record for touchdowns in the playoffs!
    That’s why he’s called TB 12 the GOAT!!

  29. Correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure Brady has also played in domes, and in those games that he played inside those domes I am sure he has thrown many, many touchdowns (especially against the Colts). So by using the logic some of you have put forth none of those TD’s should count because apparently if you throw a touchdown inside a dome they shouldn’t count. Gotta love armchair QB’s/GM’s who think their opinion is the law, surprise it’s not and those TD’s do count.

  30. GoodellMustGo says:
    July 14, 2018 at 8:40 am
    Brees would have more Super Bowls if #LyinRoger Goodell didn’t destroy the Saints chances to repeat over complete nonsense.

    ——-

    Technically, Brees shouldn’t even have one Super Bowl. Remember Bountygate? If not, look into it.

  31. Too much emphasis is placed on QB’s winning Super Bowls. It takes a complete team to win a Super Bowl, a QB doesn’t win it all by himself. Would you want Dan Marino or Trent Dilfer Do you want Jim Kelly or Jeff Hostetler? Not to mention that New England palys the Jets, Bills and Miami each twice a year, making their road to the Super Bowl much easier…

  32. nothing provides a better advantage than going against the high school football teams in the AFC’s worst division.

    In the Brady/Bill era, the Pats have a better record outside the AFCE than within it.

    So I think what you’re saying is…the Patriots beat everyone regardless of division, and it’s just not fair?

  33. Charles Leviton says:
    July 14, 2018 at 9:22 am
    “Brees is a few years younger and has the edge over Brady. However, Brady will win out in the category that matters most – Super Bowls.”

    Right, which makes Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson and Joey Flacco better QBs than HOFers Dan Marino, Warren Moon and Fran Tarkenton.
    ——-
    Ever notice how the Dilfers of the NFL can win one Super Bowl but never more than that? I wonder why. 🙂

  34. rparrott4 says:
    July 14, 2018 at 10:20 am
    GoodellMustGo says:
    July 14, 2018 at 8:40 am
    Brees would have more Super Bowls if #LyinRoger Goodell didn’t destroy the Saints chances to repeat over complete nonsense.

    ——-

    Technically, Brees shouldn’t even have one Super Bowl. Remember Bountygate? If not, look into it.

    ——
    Yes I do, hence my statement about “complete nonsense”. Which Bountygate was.

    🙂

  35. You can definitively tell who the greatest QB is very easily. Just compare the sheer amount of nonsensical comments from individuals who’ve endured the most long-term pain received at the hand of the winner.

    Tom Brady by a mile. Those ridiculous excuses denouncing his dominance we read still make us laugh.

  36. Stats cannot be compared across eras. WINS and RINGS can. 🙂

    It’s on a level playing field. Your wins were at the expense of your opponent who is also benefitting by the same rules that favor passing.

    Ain’t that hard. 🙂

  37. And they both had to play into their 40s to do so. Manning retired at 38.

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    Geesh, am I lying? Why all the thumbs down? Both Brady and Brees are playing into grandpa age trying to chase Manning down (Peyton retired at 38). Do you see the distinction? Carry on homer fanboys.

  38. hukdeep says:
    July 14, 2018 at 9:41 am
    It’s easy to make the playoffs each year when there is ZERO competition offered by your division.

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    True. If the Steelers had to play in the Patriots’ division they would be lucky to win a Wild Card berth every few seasons. Fortunately for them they play in the cream-puff AFC North

  39. Geesh, am I lying? Why all the thumbs down? Both Brady and Brees are playing into grandpa age trying to chase Manning down (Peyton retired at 38). Do you see the distinction? Carry on homer fanboys.

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    Dude you are not lying but facing the Brady internet fanboy defense team that can’t face reality. Much like our current political environment one side is fine with cheating and lying and I know you know where the Pats fans sit.

    . That asterisk will appear beside the records of both Drew and Tammy.

  40. The only thing Tom Brady, the Greatest NFL Player of All-time, is racing towards is helping his team win their next game.

    And that is just one of many reasons why he is the best you have ever seen, and likely will ever see in the NFL.

  41. Well Nolan Ryan finished his career with almost 1,600 more K’s than Steve Carlton. I don’t see either Brees or Brady getting to 650 TDs.

  42. The problem with this analysis is that Brady got 50 TDs in a season just once – 11 years ago when we wasn’t even 30. His numbers haven’t gotten anywhere close to that before or after. The next highest was 36 and he really averages 28-30 per year.

    Brees did it twice, in 2011 (46) and 2012 (43), but his offense is starting to become more balanced where they don’t have to rely on his arm to win games anymore. Where he had been averaging in the low to mid 30s, that balance is going to continue so he’ll likely be in the high 20s.

    Combine that with the fact that Manning did his 488 by 38 and these guys will have to play at a very high level into their 40s….Manning’s is still more remarkable. It’s like Emmitt Smith being the all-time leading rusher. He played for 100 years. Jim Brown? 9 seasons with 12 and 14 games each. No comparison.

  43. In the end, both Brady and Brees will both eclipse both Manning stats (TDs and yards), but Brady will not be focusing on either one (and will likely accomplish it with an OC/HC biased toward running the ball for short yardage TDs, which has been the case for years).

  44. orndorf2 says:
    July 14, 2018 at 9:58 am
    Flash1287 says:
    July 14, 2018 at 8:52 am
    Brees and Manning played 9 games a year 8 home 1 road in doors
    If you don’t think that helps you’re CRAZY

    Brady has done it playing outdoors in the northeast

    Brady
    GOATX5

    ——————- ———
    Yes they play in Domes more times than Tom but…..nothing provides a better advantage than going against the high school football teams in the AFC’s worst division. Sure you play those sad sack high school caliber teams outdoors….get off of your high horse about being outdoors.
    The Dolphins,Jets,& Bills have had no coaches or QB’s worth a snot and Tommy gets them 6 games a year.

    ———

    Yeah that AFC South division Peyton played in was a real juggernaut

  45. Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 14, 2018 at 11:11 am
    Geesh, am I lying? Why all the thumbs down? Both Brady and Brees are playing into grandpa age trying to chase Manning down (Peyton retired at 38). Do you see the distinction? Carry on homer fanboys.

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    Dude you are not lying but facing the Brady internet fanboy defense team that can’t face reality. Much like our current political environment one side is fine with cheating and lying and I know you know where the Pats fans sit.

    . That asterisk will appear beside the records of both Drew and Tammy.

    —————-

    Cheating? You mean like your team’s coach tripping Jacoby Jones during a return play? You mean that kind of cheating?

  46. Manning and Brees played indoors and in southern cities. Brady played in the northeast outdoors, so questioning his credentials is just stupid at this point.

  47. Poppy123 says:
    July 14, 2018 at 9:33 am

    No quarterback in the modern era has been helped by defense more than Brady. Top 5 scoring defense 5 times in his career and a top ten scoring defense 11 times in his career and if you think that doesn’t matter you don’t know squat. Even when the Pats defense gave up a lot of yards their SCORING defense was at least middle of the pack. Manning, Brees, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers have not had that kind of help. Doesn’t mean Brady’s not the greatest, it just means he doesn’t win championships, the Patriots do.
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    Total farce. Manning had more years of top defense with Broncos, from really good to historically great with Denver, and Colts than Brady, and better run game too. Colts had excellent D- their down seasons were mostly due to injury. Big Ben had Great Defenses, and his first SB win wasn’t because of anything he did.

    Rodgers and Brees are similar in that they had quite a number of years in a bad division and didn’t capitalize on them. Brees deserves a bit of a pass because of the phony Bountygate- really cost him 2 years near his prime. But he also benefited (as did manning) from being in a dome. Comparing Brees,Manning passing to Ben, Brady’s and Rodgers has to be tempered because of the latters tough outdoor conditions.

    Certainly Brees and Rodgers have had some bad defenses, but they BOTH had a lot of years with good enough D’s that should have at least got them to the SB. Both had major home field advantage, but didn’t capitalize, and had to play too many post- season Road games. Good defenses don’t merely magically appear, both Brees and Rodgers had D’s the went from rising to good to waning- but never really capitalized.

    Brady has taken the 29th and 31st Defensive teams to the SB TWICE. For the first 5 or 6 games last year New England had the WORST D in the ENTIRE HISTORY of the NFL, but were still winning because of Brady. In reality Bill has only put together 1 good D, and one okay D in the last 10 years.

  48. idiedpretty says:
    July 14, 2018 at 6:40 am
    And they both had to play into their 40s to do so. Manning retired at 38.
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    And missed 1 2/3 seasons due to a neck injury. Not to mention how many times (numerous) the Colts sat him in the 4th because the game was over or at the end of a season because they’d clinch. Can’t speak for Brees, but Brady never sits or comes out even if the score is 44-0.

    And to the dude that said Manning played in a southern city in a dome, Indy isn’t “southern” and only the home games were dome – Plus 55 TD’s in Mile High sorta squashes that attempt to minimize his accomplishments

  49. Brady’s 8 home games are in open air Gillette Stadium, correct. Also at least 3 of his away games are open air as Bills, Dolphins and Jets all have open air stadiums. So Brady has a maximum of 5 dome games per year, couldn’t say whether that has ever happened even once. Let the Brady bashers figure that out and get back to us, once they figure out how to turn that into a negative, of course.

  50. idiedpretty says:
    July 14, 2018 at 6:40 am
    And they both had to play into their 40s to do so. Manning retired at 38.

    67 158 Rate This

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    manning’s int rate is higher, playoff win% crappier and he used chinese hgh from guyer to cheat, factually so.

  51. Geesh, am I lying? Why all the thumbs down?

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    No, you’re right. They will have to play into their 40’s.

    I just don’t think how long they play matters that much. I think schemes matter more. Mannings teams were always pass heavy, first and foremost. Every offense he played on, except for the last year, was always about him. Up until 2007, Bradys teams were much more balanced and relied on the run a lot. Then in 2007, they became throw first. Brees Charger teams weren’t throwing much either because they had Tomlinson. He played there for 5 years, a third of his career. Once he got to NO though, it was pass first.

    Overall, we could break everything down in little tiny pieces to make our arguments work. At the end of the day though its just the number that matters. Who ends up with the most TDs.

    All three of these guys are great QB’s. Heck, if Brady or Brees ends up with 10 or 20 more tds, does it really matter?

    But think of it this way: do we knock Rices receiving records because he played so long? How about Emmitt? Jim Brown only played 9 years. Barry Sanders only played 10. Walter played 13.

  52. rparrott4 says:
    July 14, 2018 at 10:20 am
    GoodellMustGo says:
    July 14, 2018 at 8:40 am
    Brees would have more Super Bowls if #LyinRoger Goodell didn’t destroy the Saints chances to repeat over complete nonsense.

    ——-

    Technically, Brees shouldn’t even have one Super Bowl. Remember Bountygate? If not, look into it.

    ——
    Yes I do, hence my statement about “complete nonsense”. Which Bountygate was.

    🙂

    ——

    It was proven the Saints were secretly compensating players for injuring opposing players. How do you NOT consider that cheating? I’ll wait…..

  53. idiedpretty says:
    July 14, 2018 at 6:40 am
    And they both had to play into their 40s to do so. Manning retired at 38.
    ——————
    He Wouldn’t have made it past 35 if not for HGH.

  54. Cheating? You mean like your team’s coach tripping Jacoby Jones during a return play? You mean that kind of cheating?

    Tomlin never touched him and no matter how many times you mentally photoshop it nothing will change. Sorry to strike a sore nerve there NHPutz with the cheating reference but it is what it is.

    Knowledgeable football fans will not need an asterisk next to Brady’s name to know he had to play longer than Manning to break the record and Pats fans just ignor reality if it doesn’t fit their narrative. In Perspective look at Jim Brown’s numbers…..

  55. Tom doesn’t worry about records. All that concerns him is winning more Super Bowls (and if he happens to break a record along the way, that’s good but the record is not what drives him). Brees is a nice little QB who has had a great career and he deserves to be in the HOF, but he is not in Tom Brady’s league when it comes to best QBs.

  56. Let’s see if either one gets to 45 TDs this season. My money is on Brees. Then in 2019 to see them both surpass Manning’s records after playing how many more seasons.

  57. The great news for the Manning family and their enablers everywhere is that Peyton’s record for helping his teams underachieve to the tune of nine times one and done, is safe for eternity.

  58. Manning’s records are like Barry Bond’s records. They are all tainted with the PEDs.

    I look forward to real QBs replacing all of his current records*

  59. I wonder how the teammates of Manning and Brees really feel about the personal accolades being lauded at the expense of Championships lost or simply missed out on for each to garner the personal achievement. Not the publicly speaking thought but the behind closed doors kind…I’d venture it’s a totally different mindset.

  60. Too much is being made of Manning and Brees playing indoors. Their statistics outside the dome while slightly worse are actually within the normal range when considering ever QBs rating is several points lower when playing on the road. As well Peyton had 2 of his best seasons playing outdoors for the Broncos including 2 wins in the AFC Championship over the Patriots in January.

  61. Until he came back from his (75% likely career-ending) labrum injury, Brees was Chad Pennington – a noodle-armed qb with a great football IQ. The Saints were the only team to take a chance on him. It speaks volumes of his character and work ethic that he rebounded as twice the player he was.
    I got to spend some time with the Breeses due to mutual friends, and you could not find better people. And yes, Mrs Brees is stunning.

  62. I’ll bet 100 of Mannings td passes were 2 yards or less. I remember many games when James would run down to the 1 or 2 yard line, then Manning would play fake and throw a dump off to Clark or harrison.

  63. If tom brady played most of his games every season inside a closed stadium he would have already passed noodle arm manning !!!!!!

  64. Years don’t matter, just because manning did it quicker.

    OJ went over 2000 yards in 12 games, not 16 like now!

  65. To me, the more impressive thing is that Brady would have to throw 91 interceptions before those 51 TD in order to match Manning in TD-INT ratio. Avoiding turnovers is always what separated Brady’s results from Manning’s.

  66. Manning was done at 36 when he lost feeling in his throwing hand after his fourth neck surgery. It was only the magic of bottled “hard work” from his wife that padded his records. We know who the real cheaters are.

  67. dirtybirdnation says:
    July 14, 2018 at 9:41 am
    Yes but one will win championships, the other just goes for pretty stats on paper.

    And your QB will do neither…

  68. GoodellMustGo says:
    July 14, 2018 at 8:51 am

    That’s why wins and rings are what matters when comparing the greats across different eras. In fact it is the only legit way to compare.
    —————————————————–

    Close, win percentage, both regular season and playoff, in comparison to their peers over time is the only real way to compare greats across different eras.

  69. rjc32586 says:
    July 14, 2018 at 1:51 pm
    To me, the more impressive thing is that Brady would have to throw 91 interceptions before those 51 TD in order to match Manning in TD-INT ratio. Avoiding turnovers is always what separated Brady’s results from Manning’s.
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    That and playoff performance

  70. rparrott4 says:
    July 14, 2018 at 10:20 am
    GoodellMustGo says:
    July 14, 2018 at 8:40 am
    Brees would have more Super Bowls if #LyinRoger Goodell didn’t destroy the Saints chances to repeat over complete nonsense.

    ——-

    Technically, Brees shouldn’t even have one Super Bowl. Remember Bountygate? If not, look into it.

    ——
    Yes I do, hence my statement about “complete nonsense”. Which Bountygate was.

    🙂

    ——

    It was proven the Saints were secretly compensating players for injuring opposing players. How do you NOT consider that cheating? I’ll wait…..
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    Actually there was no real tangible proof of any such thing.

    The so called “scandal” was about one man only and his name is “Lyin” Roger Goodell. In the midst of growing evidence that the sport of football as we know it was not meant for human beings – which represent dark clouds growing on the horizon for the league and it’s future… this story was all about an opportunity for #LyinRoger Goodell to cover his posterior and make an example of one team who’s owner and coach are outside of the Rooney Mara Johnson Jones good ol’ boys club- to try and fool people into believing that he really does give two craps about player safety despite all the evidence to the contrary. Covering up CTE, 18 game schedule talk, Thursday Night Football and on. Just like Goodell tried and was initially quite successful at fooling people into thinking that two chipmunk farts of air removed from a football was the greatest threat to sports integrity since the Black Sox scandal. In this case, like that one, people who know better weren’t fooled at all.

    Tags saw how absurd Goodell was and threw out the punishments. Go figure. 🙂

    Bountygate – like it’s cousins Deflategate and Spygate – was a complete farce. Thanks to Goodell and his arrogance and incompetence – an all time great like Brees lost 3 years of his prime and the Saints were ended as a Super Bowl threat prematurely.

  71. tommynatorii says:
    July 14, 2018 at 12:39 pm
    Drew, we got this.
    -Miami Dolphins Secondary
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    The Miami Dolphins chose a gimpy washed up Culpepper over Drew Brees.

    Tee hee 🙂

  72. I also can’t see any Super Bowl QB throwing for 500 yards+ in the big game ever again win or lose.

    That record is Brady’s forever IMO. 🙂

  73. weepingjebus says:
    July 14, 2018 at 1:56 pm
    Manning was done at 36 when he lost feeling in his throwing hand after his fourth neck surgery. It was only the magic of bottled “hard work” from his wife that padded his records. We know who the real cheaters are.
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    Anyone with a brain knows that the HGH that supposedly was for PEDton’d wife- which was sourced from the same place that was used by Balco, the biggest doping scandal in decades at least since Ben Johnson- that wasn’t really for PEDton’s wife, it was his.

    Hard to take his yardage and TD season records seriously to be honest. In my view those records still belong to Brees and Brady respectively.

  74. @nflfan12blog

    You’re comparing yardage given up by a defense not points allowed. At the end of the game they don’t count W’s and L’s by who had the most yards. Even in 2011 when the Patriots ranked 31st in total defense their scoring defense was 17th. That would be the 6th best scoring DEFENSE for Brees. Brees has had to win games with worse defenses and has had 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history. You can look it up. You’re offering your opinion, I’m giving you the facts. Brady has had good to great defenses for most of his career. Manning played for Denver for 4 years. Brees has twice lead the Saints Top rated SCORING offense and they haven’t been able to make the playoffs because the defense gave up over 28 points per game. My statement is accurate, NO quarterback in the modern age of football has had the benefit of playing withe defenses that have ranked in the top 10 more than Tom Brady. That doesn’t mean he’s not the goat but it does mean there’s a discussion. I still think Montana is the best to ever play the game.

  75. GoodellMustGo says:
    July 14, 2018 at 2:38 pm

    Anyone with a brain knows that the HGH that supposedly was for PEDton’d wife- which was sourced from the same place that was used by Balco, the biggest doping scandal in decades at least since Ben Johnson- that wasn’t really for PEDton’s wife, it was his.

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    Not only that- the excuse that it was for pregnancy treatment was complete hogwash.
    The HGH was shipped to Manning’s home 6 months after his wife gave birth to twins.

  76. Patriot fans will never accept the fact that Peyton did it in less games ….plain and simple it doesnt fit the narrative that the cry babies want to float, but knowledgeable real fans have real records in the proper perspective….Patriot fans are not that sophisticated.

  77. I still think Montana is the best to ever play the game.
    ——
    And yet Montana has never even qualified for a Super Bowl with less than a top 8 scoring defense AND top 10 in yards? It’s true.

    Brady has. That’s true too.

    🙂

  78. It should end with 1) Brady & 2) Favre, both playing in cold weather cities. Manning and Brees have a huge advantage playing in their cozy dome most of the year.

  79. Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 14, 2018 at 3:16 pm
    Patriot fans will never accept the fact that Peyton did it in less games ….plain and simple it doesnt fit the narrative that the cry babies want to float, but knowledgeable real fans have real records in the proper perspective….Patriot fans are not that sophisticated.

    ——-
    Pedton is a PED cheat.

    A topic of course Steeler fans would know very well 🙂 AhemDrRydzeCough

  80. Cheating? You mean like your team’s coach tripping Jacoby Jones during a return play? You mean that kind of cheating?
    ————
    Could be that kind of cheating. Or the kind that Bradshaw admitted to on a national radio show or Steve Courson talked about in his book exposing the cheating that got them 4 rings. Same team that had Dr Rydze on the payroll. 🙂

  81. Brees and Manning are INDOOR QB’s, and it DOES make a difference, although ‘analysts’ are terrified to talk about it at length, they all know it.

  82. Poppy123 says:
    July 14, 2018 at 2:42 pm
    @nflfan12blog

    You’re comparing yardage given up by a defense not points allowed.

    ——-
    It’s always enjoyable to educate those who look at boxscores and stats instead of actually watching the game.

    Two scenarios in two parallel universes. In the first universe, Patriots kick off to say…. the Steelers to open the game. Pitt drives down the field chewing up lots of clock with Bell, hitting third downs and converting. They teach the Patriots 20 and the drive stalls. Then they miss a field goal. All of this took 7 minutes off the clock and the score is 0-0.

    In the second universe the Patriots kick off to the Steelers to open the game. Except this time the Patriots defense gets a 3 and out. The Steelers punt. Brady then matches the Pats down the field and hits Gronk for a TD. All of this also took 7 minutes off the clock, except this time the score is 7-0 Pats.

    Both defense gave up 0 points. So using your logic the first defense did their job equally as well as the second defense. I don’t think a lot of people would agree with that. 🙂

    Points are everything when it comes to wins and losses. They are not even close to everything when judging how good a defense is. Period.

    Brady has had great defenses in his career, 2003 being by far the best. He’s had pretty good defenses too like the one that stopped the Seahawks. He’s also had quite mediocre defenses and some wretched ones too, notably the 2011 squad. Which he led to a Super Bowl anyway. Go figure. 🙂

  83. Could be that kind of cheating. Or the kind that Bradshaw admitted to on a national radio show or Steve Courson talked about in his book exposing the cheating that got them 4 rings. Same team that had Dr Rydze on the payroll. 🙂

    Hate to shed light on your version of the truth, but steroids were not illegal at the time and Dr Rydze was never implicated doing anything with the Steelers…….that’s just Fox News.

    Spin as many posts as you want Tammy still needs more time to be as proficient as Peyton…sorry but it’s true.

  84. Hate to shed light on your version of the truth, but steroids were not illegal at the time and Dr Rydze was never implicated doing anything with the Steelers…….that’s just Fox News
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    As our great President loves to say… Wrong! 🙂

    Legal at the time: Prescribed anabolic steroids by a physician for a condition and using them as prescribed.

    Was never legal at any time: What the Steelers did with them. Abusing them or any prescription drug to gain an athletic edge was never legal in the NFL or in this country. In other words, they cheated. And Bradshaw even said “what I did (steroid abuse) was wrong”. Why would he say such a thing if he had nothing to apologize for? He knew they were cheating, that’s why. Read Courson’s book. Very informative,

    Hope that clarifies things for ya. 🙂

    Rydze was also indicted of having over $100K in steroids and HGH meant for distribution. I’m sure even you don’t think that stuff was for his medicine cabinet. 🙂

  85. Tommy has always played with the best cheating protocols this side of the CIA. In fact, several former CIA employees are on the Pats payroll. Google it.

  86. Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 14, 2018 at 3:16 pm

    Patriot fans will never accept the fact that Peyton did it in less games ….plain and simple it doesnt fit the narrative that the cry babies want to float, but knowledgeable real fans have real records in the proper perspective….Patriot fans are not that sophisticated.

    ————————————————–

    You seem to be the only one that is concerned that Peyton did it in less games!
    Do you think that Peyton doesn’t have any records that took him longer than previous record holders? Peyton was a great QB, but:

    Peyton made it to 4 Superbowls. How long did that take him? Brady did it in his first six years as a starter. Peyton won 2- how long did that take? Brady did it in 3 seasons. brady has won 5- how long did it take Peyton to do that- Oh wait never!

    Peyton took less time to get to 9 one and dones in the post- season. Guess Brady sucks cause he can’t ever match that one right?

    Peyton also took less time, a lot less time to get ten billion interceptions- that’s a record Brady’s never going to beat.

    Personally- I don’t see where Brady really cares about records, but if you have to cling to Peyton taking less time thing, you are proving the point that Brady is/was/ and shall ever be better than Peyton.

  87. Rydze was also indicted of having over $100K in steroids and HGH meant for distribution. I’m sure even you don’t think that stuff was for his medicine cabinet. 🙂

    Again you are wishing it implicated the Steelers and is just more Fox News. Facts matter and the Steelers were never caught Cheating as the Pats have by the NFL rules so spin the Bradshaw stories, but be warned that he is as smart as#45……

  88. Personally- I don’t see where Brady really cares about records, but if you have to cling to Peyton taking less time thing, you are proving the point that Brady is/was/ and shall ever be better than Peyton.

    Personally I don’t really care what you think because you are cherry picking records and not what this article was about. Based on the time taken to break a record Tammy”s break said record will be judged by how much longer it took by knowledgeable fans not fanboys.

  89. Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 14, 2018 at 4:30 pm

    Personally- I don’t see where Brady really cares about records, but if you have to cling to Peyton taking less time thing, you are proving the point that Brady is/was/ and shall ever be better than Peyton.

    Personally I don’t really care what you think because you are cherry picking records and not what this article was about. Based on the time taken to break a record Tammy”s break said record will be judged by how much longer it took by knowledgeable fans not fanboys.
    ——————————————-

    ???? Really?
    By the fact that you are discounting the fact that Brees or Brady will hold the record because it took more time, is, by the very definition of the word CHERRY PICKING.

    Nothing in this article is about the legitimacy of either QB breaking the record, and the continued use of the word “Tammy” shows your a Brady hater, because this article is about both Brees AND Brady breaking the record. Why not “Tammy” and Drew “Sleeze”?

    No “knowledgeable fan” sees it that way, nor does any record book. And “knowledgeable fans” wouldn’t attempt to prop up one great QB, by trying to downplay/ denigrate 2 other great, and greater QB’s for breaking his record.

  90. It doesn’t matter how many records or Super Bowl wins Brady has.

    He’s a cheater and liar.
    ________________________________________________________

    Whatever makes you sleep at night. Quick question though, where does Peyton Manning fall on the cheating scale? Do you believe the HGH shipped to his house was really for his pregnant wife? You k is, since you’re a big evidence guy and all.

  91. Based on the time taken to break a record Tammy”s break said record will be judged by how much longer it took by knowledgeable fans not fanboys.
    ________________________________________________________

    Can’t wait to hear that argument. “Yea, well it doesn’t matter that Manning is third on the all-time list. He used to be first and it took him less time to get get to first place, which is now third place, but used to be first place. Plus, umm Tammy”. More twisted logic from anti-Brady fans.

  92. @GoodellMustGo

    Wrong again. The “wretched” defense you speak of was 17th (not great) in the stat that matters most, POINTS!! POINTS are everything. NO team has ever won or lost a game on yardage. PERIOD! I’ll say it slowly this time – Tom Brady has NEVER had to consistently support bad defenses as much as Brees has. Yes yardage matters but it doesn’t mean anything as far as determining the winner. Here’s an example for you – One team gives up 430 yards and 10 points, the other team gives up 293 yards and 17 points. Who wins?

  93. No “knowledgeable fan” sees it that way, nor does any record book. And “knowledgeable fans” wouldn’t attempt to prop up one great QB, by trying to downplay/ denigrate 2 other great, and greater QB’s for breaking his record.

    Who is denigrating Tammy? I think if you reread you will find my point is you fanboys of Brady hate Peyton denigrating his accomplishments because he is not Brady…..period. A reasonable fan will put the accomplishment in perspective, but that usually comes from age and experience. My 80 years of watching the NFL gives me that perspective and based on football since 2000.

  94. Poppy123 says:
    July 14, 2018 at 5:39 pm
    @GoodellMustGo

    Wrong again. The “wretched” defense you speak of was 17th (not great) in the stat that matters most, POINTS!! POINTS are everything. NO team has ever won or lost a game on yardage. PERIOD! I’ll say it slowly this time – Tom Brady has NEVER had to consistently support bad defenses as much as Brees has. Yes yardage matters but it doesn’t mean anything as far as determining the winner. Here’s an example for you – One team gives up 430 yards and 10 points, the other team gives up 293 yards and 17 points. Who wins?

    0 0 Rate This
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    Except we are not talking about winners and losers. I think we both agree that the Patriots win a lot. Points are the only thing that matters when the conversation is about winning and losing.

    But when you look at a defense and how good it is points is not even close to the only thing that matters. As I proved beyond a shadow of a doubt in my example above. It’s lots of things combined…points AND yards AND pressures AND what I call big plays like turnovers and sacks. The Patriots have had a defense ranked top 5 in points and yards… once in Brady’s career. That’s it. That was 2007 and most likely it was a mirage as having an all time great offense doesn’t put much pressure on a defense.

    If a defense gave up 430 yards and allows 17 points then they get very little credit from me and deservedly so. But I say it also depends on the circumstances too. Were those yards in garbage time? By giving up 430 yards are they keeping a QB who is seen as GOAT on the sidelines instead of the field? Or are they keeping a bad QB off the field so he can’t make mistakes. That matters too.

    It is fiction to say that Brady had great defenses for most of his career. That may be the perception of someone who is a fan of another team who looks at a bunch of numbers instead of an actual Pats game. I cannot speak about Brees’s defenses as I have not seen enough Saints games to agree or disagree with your point.

  95. GoodellMustGo says:
    July 14, 2018 at 5:55 pm
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Poppy123 says:
    July 14, 2018 at 5:39 pm
    @GoodellMustGo

    Wrong again. The “wretched” defense you speak of was 17th (not great) in the stat that matters most, POINTS!! POINTS are everything. NO team has ever won or lost a game on yardage. PERIOD! I’ll say it slowly this time – Tom Brady has NEVER had to consistently support bad defenses as much as Brees has. Yes yardage matters but it doesn’t mean anything as far as determining the winner. Here’s an example for you – One team gives up 430 yards and 10 points, the other team gives up 293 yards and 17 points. Who wins?

    ——
    Also, that 2011 defense was absolutely shredded by the likes of Chad Henne (twice), Ryan Fitzpatrick (twice), Dan Orlovsky, Rex Grossman, Jason Campbell and Vince Young. Think what Foles did in the last Super Bowl… those guys did it too. Yeah some real hall of famers there in that list.

    Wretched. Just like I said. Take Brady off that team and they pick in the top 10 in the draft.

  96. blessedunliketherest says:
    July 14, 2018 at 5:15 pm
    It doesn’t matter how many records or Super Bowl wins Brady has.

    He’s a cheater and liar.
    ________________________________________________________

    Whatever makes you sleep at night. Quick question though, where does Peyton Manning fall on the cheating scale? Do you believe the HGH shipped to his house was really for his pregnant wife? You k is, since you’re a big evidence guy and all.

    ——
    PEDton used HGH and that makes him a cheat. His excuses are laughable.

    No serious football fan takes his records seriously.

  97. Who is denigrating Tammy? I think if you reread you will find my point is you fanboys of Brady hate Peyton denigrating his accomplishments because he is not Brady…..period. A reasonable fan will put the accomplishment in perspective, but that usually comes from age and experience. My 80 years of watching the NFL gives me that perspective and based on football since 2000.

    ——
    No Patriot fan hates PEDton. We just say Brady is better. Which he is, as all intelligent football fans in existence understood years ago.

    I do loathe that PEDton cheated though.

  98. Whatever makes you sleep at night. Quick question though, where does Peyton Manning fall on the cheating scale? Do you believe the HGH shipped to his house was really for his pregnant wife? You k is, since you’re a big evidence guy and all.

    ——
    PEDton used HGH and that makes him a cheat. His excuses are laughable.

    —————

    Peyton never tested positive for HGH. That is a fact. Brady was suspended for deflategate and Belicheat was fined for spygate.

    All of Bradys records are tainted.

  99. Poppy123 says:

    My statement is accurate, NO quarterback in the modern age of football has had the benefit of playing withe defenses that have ranked in the top 10 more than Tom Brady. That doesn’t mean he’s not the goat but it does mean there’s a discussion. I still think Montana is the best to ever play the game.

    ————————-

    Montana’s Defensive Ranking by Points Allowed:

    2nd
    23rd (Outlier because of the strike)
    4th
    1st
    2nd
    3rd
    3rd
    8th
    3rd
    2nd
    4th
    11th (KC)
    12th (KC)

    Montana had a top 5 defense 8 times in 13 seasons and average scoring defense is 6.0. The only poor scoring defense Montana had was 23rd and that was the strike year, when their starters sat out a lot of the season. Brady’s average scoring defense for his career is 7.5. Montana clearly had better scoring defences than Brady.

  100. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    July 14, 2018 at 6:22 pm
    Whatever makes you sleep at night. Quick question though, where does Peyton Manning fall on the cheating scale? Do you believe the HGH shipped to his house was really for his pregnant wife? You k is, since you’re a big evidence guy and all.

    ——
    PEDton used HGH and that makes him a cheat. His excuses are laughable.

    —————

    Peyton never tested positive for HGH. That is a fact. Brady was suspended for deflategate and Belicheat was fined for spygate.

    All of Bradys records are tainted.
    ——-

    That don’t mean jack son. Lance Armstrong never tested positive either. OJ of course was never convicted of murder.

    Sorry your hero PEDton is a fraud. That’s what happens when you cheat. It was PEDton’s decision to cheat, and he has only himself to blame for this perception nobody else. I don’t respect cheating and especially not cheaters who want to pass off ridiculous excuses like blaming their wife.

    Laughable.

    *

  101. I hope some of these younger qb’s are ready to become the faces of the league once guys like Brees and Brady retire. Fans or not, we’ve been blessed to watch guys like Brees, Manning and Brady on Sundays. Hopefully the young guys like Carr, Wentz, Watson and rookies like Mayfield and Darnold will be able to fill the void.

    ——————————————————————————————–

    Word.

  102. Peyton never tested positive for HGH. That is a fact. Brady was suspended for deflategate and Belicheat was fined for spygate.

    All of Bradys records are tainted.
    _________________________________________________________

    Wait, your above post references both Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds as cheaters. Neither of them ever tested positive for any performance enhancers. So what’s the standard we are using here?

    Figures, a Brady hater condradicts and backs himself into a corner. We’ve seen this movie before.

  103. Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 14, 2018 at 5:41

    Who is denigrating Tammy? I think if you reread you will find my point is you fanboys of Brady hate Peyton denigrating his accomplishments because he is not Brady…..period. A reasonable fan will put the accomplishment in perspective, but that usually comes from age and experience. My 80 years of watching the NFL gives me that perspective and based on football since 2000.

    —————————————————

    Pretty sure, again by DEFINITION OF THE WORD- (DENIGRATE)-you are denigrating Brady- by referring to him as “Tammy”. And of course all of your posts leave out any mention of Brees.

    So yeah- that’s Thomas Patrick Edward Brady- you know the Greatest/most accomplished QB of all time.

    i guess you don’t think Rodger Maris or Hank Aaron beat Babe Ruth’s records either?

    80 years- you’ve been “watching” the NFL since 1938?

    Would it be “reasonable” to put Peytons TD “accomplishment in perspective” by stating he benefited greatly from 9 dome games a year, and so Favre and Brady had the greater accomplishment in regards to TD’s? Where exactly would that sort of “reasonable” end. Record is either broken or not, the NFL is the keeper of records, and most likely in a few years it will be Brees/Brady battling for the 1-2 slot. Personally I think Brees will get it in the end, but either way Peytons going to be #3

  104. Lets see now. The Pats, Kraft and Bilichick have been banged hard for cheating. Tom Brady was the starting QB during this term. Tom Brady was suspended by the NFL for cheating cover up. Yet, the Pats fanboys claim Tom never cheated. What?

    Meanwhile, Peyton Manning is accused by the fanboys as being an HGH addict. He has been tested on this and all other PEDs, totally clean, yet Pats fanboys claim he is dirty. What?

    LOL at Pats fanboys. Your homerized vision of events are precious. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your fabricated fiction.

  105. Meanwhile, Peyton Manning is accused by the fanboys as being an HGH addict. He has been tested on this and all other PEDs, totally clean, yet Pats fanboys claim he is dirty. What?
    _________________________________________________________

    And if you’re gonna try to claim factual statements, make sure they are rooted in facts. For instance, how do you know Manning was tested for HGH? Have you seen his testing records? The NFL didn’t start testing for HGH until the middle of the 2014 season…..and what do you know, the first full season of testing in 2015 Manning was the worst QB in football with significant drop off in production. Coincidence? Maybe. But if you believe the NFL in deflategate yet ignore the Manning HGH signs, the bias is quite clear. You know, facts and everything.

  106. blessedunliketherest says:
    July 14, 2018 at 5:19 pm
    Based on the time taken to break a record Tammy”s break said record will be judged by how much longer it took by knowledgeable fans not fanboys.
    ________________________________________________________

    Can’t wait to hear that argument. “Yea, well it doesn’t matter that Manning is third on the all-time list. He used to be first and it took him less time to get get to first place, which is now third place, but used to be first place. Plus, umm Tammy”. More twisted logic from anti-Brady fans.

    ———–

    There is one record Peyton holds that no player will break: nine one and dones come playoff time.

  107. orndorf2 says:
    July 14, 2018 at 9:58 am
    Flash1287 says:
    July 14, 2018 at 8:52 am
    Brees and Manning played 9 games a year 8 home 1 road in doors
    If you don’t think that helps you’re CRAZY

    Brady has done it playing outdoors in the northeast

    Brady
    GOATX5

    ——————- ———
    Yes they play in Domes more times than Tom but…..nothing provides a better advantage than going against the high school football teams in the AFC’s worst division. Sure you play those sad sack high school caliber teams outdoors….get off of your high horse about being outdoors.
    The Dolphins,Jets,& Bills have had no coaches or QB’s worth a snot and Tommy gets them 6 games a year.

    —————————
    The AFC East has the third best winning % of any NFL division over the past two years. So that begets the question that if those teams are so bad why are so many non AFC East dropping games to them? Heck its been so many that the AFC East has even produced a wild card team the past two years too.

  108. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    July 14, 2018 at 6:22 pm
    Whatever makes you sleep at night. Quick question though, where does Peyton Manning fall on the cheating scale? Do you believe the HGH shipped to his house was really for his pregnant wife? You k is, since you’re a big evidence guy and all.

    ——
    PEDton used HGH and that makes him a cheat. His excuses are laughable.

    —————

    Peyton never tested positive for HGH. That is a fact. Brady was suspended for deflategate and Belicheat was fined for spygate.

    All of Bradys records are tainted.

    ———————
    Peyton never tested positive for HGH, but Brady had less evidence against him at zero (confirmed by Pash and Goidell in sworn testimony) than Peyon had. So maybe Peytons eveidence was never conclusive (and I agree it wasnt) but it was still more than they had on Brady.

  109. Meanwhile, Peyton Manning is accused by the fanboys as being an HGH addict
    ———-
    Who said he is an HGH “addict”?

    He just used it which is illegal and blamed his wife for it which is lying.

    Sorry your hero is a fraud.

    *

  110. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    July 14, 2018 at 8:15 pm
    My money is on Brady on this race thanks to #GuerreroMagic
    ———
    The NFL is aware of TB12 and Guerrero’s training methods.

    The have no issues with it whatsoever.

    Fans can wear the tin foil all they want but facts are facts.

    🙂

  111. denverscott says:
    July 14, 2018 at 6:40 pm
    Neither will touch 5700 yards and 55 TDs in a season.

    ——
    He cheated to get those records.

    *

  112. You kids are delusional. Brady was suspended for cheating coverup. Four games! This is undisputed. Manning, despite repeated testing has passed every test and has never been found positive for HGH or any other PED. This is undisputed. Deflect, deny, ignore. SMH at your total ignorance of well documented public facts. Get help, now!

  113. “Brady was suspended for cheating cover-up “seriously ???you still don’t understand that there was no cheating ??? that all that happened was the footballs lost pressure because of cold weather ?? did you not see the NFL admitting in federal court they had no evidence ?? repeat , no evidence !! NONE!!,seriously you need to get a grip.
    There was no tampering!!!

  114. pointtwopsiistheissue says:
    July 15, 2018 at 11:32 am
    “Brady was suspended for cheating cover-up “seriously ???you still don’t understand that there was no cheating ??? that all that happened was the footballs lost pressure because of cold weather ?? did you not see the NFL admitting in federal court they had no evidence ?? repeat , no evidence !! NONE!!,seriously you need to get a grip.
    ——-
    All intelligent football fans in existence know this.

    Just the silly Patriot Hater is in denial, especially those who are also in denial that PEDton cheated to get the season passing TD and yardage records.

    🙂

  115. idiedpretty says:
    July 14, 2018 at 10:54 am
    And they both had to play into their 40s to do so. Manning retired at 38.
    _________________________________________________________________
    Geesh, am I lying? Why all the thumbs down? Both Brady and Brees are playing into grandpa age trying to chase Manning down (Peyton retired at 38). Do you see the distinction? Carry on homer fanboys.

    ———————————

    Because you’re looking at age only. Who cares how old they are? How many games have they played. Manning got his stats in 266 games (265 starts). Brady is currently at 253 games (251 starts), and Brees is at 249 games (248 starts). Let’s see where they are after 265 starts. Brady has 14 more games. Brees has 17. It’ll be close. But playoff stats pushes Brady way past both of these guys.

  116. idiedpretty says:
    July 14, 2018 at 10:54 am
    And they both had to play into their 40s to do so. Manning retired at 38.
    Geesh, am I lying? Why all the thumbs down? Both Brady and Brees are playing into grandpa age trying to chase Manning down (Peyton retired at 38). Do you see the distinction? Carry on homer fanboys.

    ——————–

    Actually, you are lying because Peyton was 39 when he played his last game (Feb. 2016) and was a month away from turning 40 (Peyton’s Birthday is in March).

  117. Nothing better then the most delusional guy on the internet calling everyone else delusional. What exactly is “cheating cover up”? Brady was suspended for being st least generally aware of something that could not even be proven and for which actual evidence points to likely never occurred. Hence the NFL admitting in open court they had zero evidence. That, my friend, is a fact.

    End of the day, does it really matter? Brady is widely considered the GOAT and Manning is more remembered as a great regular season QB who consistently choked when the game was on the line. The only thing Manning has is some regular season records, which are about to be broken. Good thing he has delusional fanboys to support him though.

  118. Well if Pollard doesn’t intentionally dive at Brady’s knee and Goodell doesn’t steal four games from him on the Deflategate nonsense Brady would either have or be less than three games away from both the yards record and the TDs record. Actually without Pollard cheap shots 2008 and 2011 are probably Patriots Super Bowl win seasons, really makes me wonder why the Pats detractors haven’t built a monument to him.

  119. .
    actually they arent tied.
    Brady has 488(71 playoffs) THROWING TD’s 17(6 playoffs) Rushing
    Brees has 488/29(playoffs) THROWING TD’s 18(0 playoffs) Rushing

    I was surprised I thought Brady would lead the rushing TD’s.

  120. idiedpretty says:
    July 15, 2018 at 11:20 am
    You kids are delusional. Brady was suspended for cheating coverup. Four games! This is undisputed. Manning, despite repeated testing has passed every test and has never been found positive for HGH or any other PED. This is undisputed. Deflect, deny, ignore. SMH at your total ignorance of well documented public facts. Get help, now!

    ———————————————————————————

    NFL did not start testing for HGH until 2014.
    In 2015 Manning’s performance fell off a cliff.
    Coincidence?

  121. idiedpretty says:
    July 14, 2018 at 10:54 am
    And they both had to play into their 40s to do so. Manning retired at 38.
    Geesh, am I lying? Why all the thumbs down? Both Brady and Brees are playing into grandpa age trying to chase Manning down (Peyton retired at 38). Do you see the distinction? Carry on homer fanboys.

    Another perfect example of why the crybabies are dumb
    What does age have to do with it??

    Manning played 17 seasons (missed one season with injury)
    Brady has played 16 seasons (he missed one season with injury)

    So when you are trying to imply Brady has played longer because of his age you are WRONG

    WHAT A SHOCKER

  122. iceman9999 says:
    July 15, 2018 at 2:16 pm
    idiedpretty says:
    July 15, 2018 at 11:20 am
    You kids are delusional. Brady was suspended for cheating coverup. Four games! This is undisputed. Manning, despite repeated testing has passed every test and has never been found positive for HGH or any other PED. This is undisputed. Deflect, deny, ignore. SMH at your total ignorance of well documented public facts. Get help, now!

    ———————————————————————————

    NFL did not start testing for HGH until 2014.
    In 2015 Manning’s performance fell off a cliff.
    Coincidence?

    ———

    Did Peyton or anyone ever explain why a 30-something hear old healthy woman would require HGH? And furthermore if she did, why should would not have a valid prescription for it from her physician and get it at a real pharmacy?

  123. .
    These numbers imply these 2 QB’s are special but in fact they are not.
    They have just played a long time.
    Brett Favre is 2nd because he played 3 more years than Peyton.
    8th Eli Manning, 6th Phillip Rivers and 9th Ben Roethlisberger whom all started in 2004 are 3-4 years less time than Brees and Brady are on pace to hit these same numbers.
    Tarketon and Marino are going to drop fast…
    10th Aaron Rogers started in 2005 and also on pace but he cant seem to stay healthy anymore.

  124. GoodellMustGo says:
    July 15, 2018 at 11:14 am
    patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    July 14, 2018 at 8:15 pm
    My money is on Brady on this race thanks to #GuerreroMagic
    ———
    The NFL is aware of TB12 and Guerrero’s training methods.

    The have no issues with it whatsoever.

    Fans can wear the tin foil all they want but facts are facts.

    🙂

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    NFL is having issues with Edelman

  125. Snow, rain, cold and wind matter.

    271 of Brees TDs were in a dome (17 in a retroof).

    Manning had 193 in a dome (76 in a retroof).

    Brady has 29 in a dome (16 in a retroof).

  126. 3 amazing QB’s that we are privileged to watch. One notable difference:

    Brees: Had to deal with a fabricated scandal with a complete lack of evidence and Roger led crusade.
    Brady: Had to deal with multiple fabricated scandals with complete lack of evidence and Roger led crusade.
    Manning: Escaped any sideshow or punishment on a pretty obvious situation that should have resulted a Roger led crusade.

    So under those circumstances, where the NFL did everything they could to hamstring Brees and Brady, I’d say Manning shoulda done better………..

  127. Two dome QBs whose combined post season TDs, and combined SB rings are less than TB12’s.

    Please.

    Tom is the undisputed GOAT.

    If you dispute it, realize you are in the tiny, tiny minority.

  128. These numbers imply these 2 QB’s are special but in fact they are not.
    They have just played a long time.
    Brett Favre is 2nd because he played 3 more years than Peyton.
    ======

    I can’t even imagine what Favre-Sharpe would look like in this wide-open era.

    QBs would still be chasing Favre.

    .. who probably never would have caught Marino in the first place.

  129. How many TD’s did Manning throw that weren’t from 1 yard out?
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    Eyeroll

    30 or more yards – 121
    20-29 yards – 73
    10-19 yards – 130
    4-9 yards – 125
    3 or fewer yards – 90

  130. orrnumberfour says:
    July 16, 2018 at 11:22 am

    Two dome QBs whose combined post season TDs, and combined SB rings are less than TB12’s.

    Please.

    Tom is the undisputed GOAT.

    If you dispute it, realize you are in the tiny, tiny minority.
    —————————–
    I just think it’s freaking hilarious that people actually criticize Brady’s game for reasons that stopped being true over a decade and a half ago.

    Heh. Maybe I’ll start say PEDton Manning sucks because he sucked in 1998. Oh and he’s a cheat too. Sounds like reason enough to me!

    🙂

  131. thermanmerman99 says:
    July 15, 2018 at 3:16 pm

    Who sounds more feminine, tammy or richard simmons?
    ——
    You actually listen for feminine voices in an NFL QB? Interesting. Huh. Hey I won’t judge, it’s 2018 and to each their own.

    🙂

  132. “wins and rings are what matters when comparing the greats across different eras. In fact it is the only legit way to compare.”
    ——————–

    By that logic Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino. The rings argument is a sham. It takes a great team to win a ring, not a great QB.

  133. idiedpretty says:
    July 14, 2018 at 6:40 am
    And they both had to play into their 40s to do so. Manning retired at 38.
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    Yeah but his forehead is so big it hasn’t left the field

  134. revelation123 says:
    July 17, 2018 at 1:05 pm

    “wins and rings are what matters when comparing the greats across different eras. In fact it is the only legit way to compare.”
    ——————–

    By that logic Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino. The rings argument is a sham. It takes a great team to win a ring, not a great QB.
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    No actually it’s not a sham at all.

    Trent Dilfer is certainly not better than Dan Marino even with his ring. BUT – you’ll also notice that the likes of Dilfer, Johnson, Williams, Hostetler and so on can win one ring but never more than that. There’s a reason for that. When I say compare the greats… I’m not talking about guys who have won 1 ring and had their team carry them to get it. Those aren’t the greats. But you knew that. 🙂

    You can’t compare stats across eras but you certainly can compare wins and rings. Stats aren’t on a level playing field because of the modern rules favoring passing but WINS and RINGS are. Wins means you beat the other guy who had just as much an “advantage” with these rules as you did.

    It really is the only legit way to compare the greats across eras.

  135. “Stats aren’t on a level playing field because of the modern rules favoring passing but WINS and RINGS are. Wins means you beat the other guy who had just as much an “advantage” with these rules as you did.”
    ——-

    You’re contradicting yourself. Passing being less impactful in decades past proves by itself that wins and rings cannot be how to compare old QBs to new ones.

    This is football. It takes an entire team to win a game, not a QB. The quality of an entire team, including coaching staff, is what determines a season’s wins and losses.

    That’s the fundamental flaw in your argument. It’s why the wins/rings argument will always fail. Now if this was golf you would be 100% right. But it’s not. So you don’t.

    This is a team game, a game which requires the combined effort of each individual on the field including an entire coaching staff. Anyone who acts like 1 single player on the field determines everything in an entire season just goes to show they have a fundamental misunderstanding about how the game of football works.

  136. Lifetime Ban For Kneelers says:

    July 14, 2018 at 7:03 am

    Brees is a better QB than Brady. FACT
    He may not have as many titles, but at least his is Legit, and he has always had less talented teams.
    Plus, his wife is hotter than that Giraffe Tom is married to

    =========================

    Say Brady has 3 years left. He would have to throw about 22-23 ints a season just to tie Brees. And that’s assuming Brees plays the next 3 years without throwing a single INT.

    And I do think Brees is obviously an all time great. But his INT number is a little high.

  137. Poppy123 says:

    July 14, 2018 at 5:39 pm

    @GoodellMustGo

    Wrong again. The “wretched” defense you speak of was 17th (not great) in the stat that matters most, POINTS!! POINTS are everything. NO team has ever won or lost a game on yardage. PERIOD! I’ll say it slowly this time – Tom Brady has NEVER had to consistently support bad defenses as much as Brees has. Yes yardage matters but it doesn’t mean anything as far as determining the winner. Here’s an example for you – One team gives up 430 yards and 10 points, the other team gives up 293 yards and 17 points. Who wins?

    ============================

    Defensive DVOA is a better stat. If a team (like last years Patriots defense) has a low points against avg. for the season, yet a high yards against avg., that doesn’t bode well for playoff success when they are playing MUCH better offenses every week. Pats defense was not great last year against good teams yet their points allowed was top 5. Better offenses finish long drives with more points.

  138. revelation123 says:
    July 17, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    “Stats aren’t on a level playing field because of the modern rules favoring passing but WINS and RINGS are. Wins means you beat the other guy who had just as much an “advantage” with these rules as you did.”
    ——-

    You’re contradicting yourself. Passing being less impactful in decades past proves by itself that wins and rings cannot be how to compare old QBs to new ones.

    This is football. It takes an entire team to win a game, not a QB. The quality of an entire team, including coaching staff, is what determines a season’s wins and losses.

    That’s the fundamental flaw in your argument. It’s why the wins/rings argument will always fail. Now if this was golf you would be 100% right. But it’s not. So you don’t.

    This is a team game, a game which requires the combined effort of each individual on the field including an entire coaching staff. Anyone who acts like 1 single player on the field determines everything in an entire season just goes to show they have a fundamental misunderstanding about how the game of football works.
    ———————————-
    We’re having two completely different conversations here. I’m not talking about who should get credit when a football team wins. I agree that football is the ultimate team sport and wins are basically an accomplishment of the team (and the QB is certainly part of the team).

    I’m simply talking about comparing the greats across eras. Wins and rings are a far superior way to compare great QBs across eras than stats.

    In Matt Stafford’s 7 year career he has never thrown for less than 4200 yards playing all 16 games, and threw over 5000 yards once. Joe Montana has never thrown for 4000 yards in any season. Terry Bradshaw has a career 71 passer rating. So…does that mean Stafford is better than them? Of course not. Completely different era, different rules that favor passing, working in Staffords advantage. You go with the wins and rings and you can easily see who is better.

  139. Chill_Donahue says:
    July 18, 2018 at 9:43 am
    Defensive DVOA is a better stat. If a team (like last years Patriots defense) has a low points against avg. for the season, yet a high yards against avg., that doesn’t bode well for playoff success when they are playing MUCH better offenses every week.
    ——————–
    Plus there’s the fact that giving up a lot of yards especially 3rd downs means Tom Brady, GOAT, is not on the field for much of the game. It wouldn’t matter as much with a lesser QB but it certainly does matter with this team.

    Like I said… it’s funny how most football criticism of Brady is stuck in 2002. No Brady does not have a weak arm, he actually has one of the strongest arms in football. No he does not benefit from a great defense every year, the defense (which is far from great every year) benefits from him. No he doesn’t benefit from a “system”, he’s played in many systems over the years and been great in each and every single one of them. He and Belichick complement each other.

    Get with the times cupcakes. It’s 2018. 🙂

  140. Isn’t it funny, throughout Brees’ career he has been virtually ignored, now all of a sudden people are claiming he’s better than Brady. You Brady-bashers are comical, you’ll say whatever you have to in order to convince yourselves that Brady is bad. You couldn’t get away with saying Pay-a-ton was better, he proved he wasn’t, so now you’re going to make false claims about Brees. Time to accept reality, boys.

  141. “You go with the wins and rings and you can easily see who is better.”
    ———-

    I completely agree you can’t compare stats across eras. At the same time, you can’t compare rings/wins either.

    By that logic Terry Bradshaw (4 rings) is significantly better than Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Steve Young, Drew Brees, etc. It’s not that Bradshaw was better than these QBs, it’s that he was on better teams.

  142. idiedpretty says:

    July 15, 2018 at 11:20 am

    You kids are delusional. Brady was suspended for cheating coverup. Four games! This is undisputed. Manning, despite repeated testing has passed every test and has never been found positive for HGH or any other PED. This is undisputed. Deflect, deny, ignore. SMH at your total ignorance of well documented public facts. Get help, now!

    ==============

    Coverup? Where are the PSI logs after Goodell promised “transparency” and “getting it right”? Why no enforcement of the PSI/ball tampering rules since then against other teams (ie ’16 Steelers and Giants)? Now that sounds a bit like a cover up.

  143. idiedpretty says:
    July 14, 2018 at 6:40 am

    And they both had to play into their 40s to do so. Manning retired at 38.
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    And Manning and Brees both played a whole bunch of football indoors while Brady will spend his entire career in one of the most inhospitable outdoor environments in the league.

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