“No end game” for the anthem issue

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As the NFL and NFL Players Association negotiation a possible Anthem Policy 3.0, some in league circles realize that, no matter the current solution, the situation never will truly be solved.

“There’s no end game,” a high-level employee with one of the NFL’s teams told PFT over the weekend.

And he’s right. There is no end game, because there’s no way to end the political gamesmanship that accompanies what has become one of the most polarizing issues of our time. If the league and the union carve out any opportunity for protests during the anthem, the President will continue to bang his favorite base drum. If, somehow, management and labor agree that all players will always stand for the anthem with no players protesting under any circumstances, internal and external voices will chastise the NFL for bowing to the President — and the President surely welcome the victory with silence and humility.

Even the possibility of getting rid of the anthem entirely will invite a harsh outcry from those who have become accustomed to consuming sport with a side dish of forced patriotism.

So the issue lasts as long as the current President is in office, right? Fat chance of that. Now that he has shown  the potency of this specific platform plank, other politicians of similar ideology will press the same button wherever and whenever it will serve as a useful rallying cry and/or a welcome distraction.

The more likely reality, then, is that the argument over anthem protests has become part of the NFL’s new normal, with no outcome that will conclusively end something that didn’t exist less than two years ago.

184 responses to ““No end game” for the anthem issue

  1. Seriously just have both teams stay in the locker room or impose the same rule the NBA has that makes every player stand for the anthem.

    It’s amazing billionaires can’t fix a problem that the average person could figure out a solution for in 2 minutes.

  2. The end game will be me walking away from the NFL. I watch football for entertainment. I don’t care one little bit what entitled idiots who make millions of dollars think about politics, social issues, or ANYTHING for that matter. Just shut up, play the game, or I will turn off the tv. I mean it.

  3. So it’s all the President’s fault. Typical liberal blame shifting.

    It’s true that Trump should have just shut up about this and concentrated on keeping his campaign promises, but the simple fact is that this whole issue started with the players and will end with the players.

    The more these kneelers show disrespect for the country that made them successful, the more this issue will continue to divide NFL fans and the more the NFL will suffer for it.

    Kneelers: stand up for the Anthem. Be proud of your country. Think about where you would be right now without football.

  4. Just stop, 90% of us don’t tune in until the moment of kickoff anyway. If no one ever told me or the announcers never made a big stink about players kneeling I probably never would have known to begin with.

  5. thetooloftools says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:13 pm

    YOU KNEEL / I’m out. Too stupid to know when your being stupid.
    _____________

    Except you’re really not because you’re just all talk.

    Thanks for the 5% increase revenue!

  6. thetooloftools, as the saying goes “don’t let the screen door hit you on the behind as you leave.”

  7. Hard to believe this country allows a draft dodger to stir the crap while playing like he’s patriotic. I’m not even sure he’s pretending to be patriotic; it seems to be more a case of his playing directly to his racist base who couldn’t care less about patriotism. Heck, Putin can run the country for all they care.

  8. This dead horse needs to be put to rest. The Liar in Chief needs to shut his pie hole about this instead of ginning up the meat headed followers of his and let the issue die. Broadcasters should ignore this never mentioning anything about. Once the players see its being ignored they will stop and Cadet Bonespurs wont have anything for the sheep to Baaa about . Problem solved.

  9. “Even the possibility of getting rid of the anthem entirely will invite a harsh outcry from those who have become accustomed to consuming sport with a side dish of forced patriotism.”

    Yes, the NBA, NHL and MLB all utilize this “forced patriotism” as well. Yet, they have not had the same protests during or about the Anthem. It has nothing to do with “forced patriotism” – it has everything to do with employees utilizing and leveraging the brands of their respective teams and the NFL to promote their personal beliefs about political issues.

  10. “The more these kneelers show disrespect for the country that made them successful”.

    The players talent and hard work made them successful. The country had nothing to do with it, as several players are natives of other countries.

  11. That leaves the only real solution then; to not play it anymore. Sure they’ll be fallout initially, but by continuing to call out the players, the president is actually forcing them to continue to protest.

    He cannot/will not leave the issue alone, so instead of taking sides and risk alienating the other (the players who need to play and the fans who you need to pay), the league should just suspend the playing of it for now. It’s just become too toxic.

  12. It would be a non-issue if the alt-right evangelicals would stop mischaracterizing the reason for the protest. Supporting police brutality through faux anthem outrage is dirty business.

  13. cardinealsfan20 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    “The more these kneelers show disrespect for the country that made them successful”.

    The players talent and hard work made them successful. The country had nothing to do with it, as several players are natives of other countries.
    ________________________________________________________________
    Ok then you do not subscribe to Overlord Obama’s “you didn’t build that” philosophy.

  14. No end game? Their is an unsigned safety and quarterback whom know otherwise! And let that keep being the End to their Games! You kneel fine thats your right, and it is also the rights of the owners Not to sign your aszz ever again!
    KEEP POLITICS OUT OF MY ENTERTAINMENT DAMMITTT!!!

  15. thetooloftools says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:13 pm
    YOU KNEEL / I’m out. Too stupid to know when your being stupid.
    ___________________________
    *You’re, as in, you’re dumb enough to stop watching something you love because a few guys are protesting an issue.

  16. There is an end game.

    The NFL is just afraid of it. As we’ve all seen with this issue they go from side to side bending to the will of the loudest anger.
    The end game is breaking that cycle.

    Whether it is allowing the players to protest during the anthem, banning them, or just not even having an anthem presentation and keeping the players in the locker room they just have to so something and STICK WITH IT

  17. Come and get me. You think because I’m a conservative you can just slam me around and I’m going to cave to your agenda. Go to my rallies and harass me… follow me into my restaurant and harass me… burn furniture and threaten violence like U Cal Berk… I would rather be the hated then the hater. I sleep very well at night. THE PLAYERS ARE WRONG. Go live in a homeless shelter for a few months if you want to make a point.

  18. thetooloftools says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:13 pm
    YOU KNEEL / I’m out. Too stupid to know when your being stupid.

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    Hitler would approve this message.

  19. Too bad Trump isn’t as active in 2nd amendment-related discussions (guns) as he is in 1st amendment-related discussions (free expression and action).

  20. So 45 has a problem with pro athletes taking a knee, yet he kneels on both in front of Putin.

    Y’all marinate on that a minute whilst I sip on this Bloody Maria.

    Go Steelers!

  21. We all have Blaine Gabbert to blame for this. If he had not outplayed Kaep there never would have been any kneeling. Thanks a lot Blaine.

  22. calizcowboyz says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:41 pm
    No end game? Their is an unsigned safety and quarterback whom know otherwise! And let that keep being the End to their Games! You kneel fine thats your right, and it is also the rights of the owners Not to sign your aszz ever again!
    KEEP POLITICS OUT OF MY ENTERTAINMENT DAMMITTT!!!

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    You don’t want to keep politics out because if you did you wouldn’t want all the war propaganda out. You just want your politics in and others out. Stop lying.

  23. “It has everything to do with employees leveraging and utilizing the brands of their respective teams and the NFL to promote their personal beliefs about political issues”.

    Demanding equal rights for everyone is not promoting a political issue. It is a human decency issue.

  24. How about this. Let’s not show the kneelers on TV and not have the doofus sideline reporters talk about it. Nobody cares!! We just want to watch football!!

  25. What I do not like about this entire situation is this:
    PLAYERS are the root cause of the problem, with their act of kneeling in support of black criminals who don’t want to be arrested for their crimes.

    The media is making damn sure that the blame is being laid at the feet of the NFL itself and NFL franchises that dare to discipline players for disrespecting our flag.

    This entire fiasco is designed to ensure that players are seen as being oppressed and the NFL is some draconian employer that is intolerant is regards to causes that the players support.

  26. This issue is like America’s political scene. Dig trenches and keep self assuring that your stance is the right one. The craziest part is that the root of this….is Crapernick.

  27. Of course there’s no endgame. It was always a political distraction and traffic driver.

    You can’t have an endgame when you never really had an issue top being with.

  28. There is no end game because the players don’t have one. This has nothing to do with the owners, not the president, not the fans. What do the players want? They want change. What’s change? When has an acceptable level of change been achieved? Nobody knows. Do the players as a whole have a specific goal in mind, or does it vary between them all? No, they hijacked a tradition in the name of change, a change without a tangible value. This literally could go on until the end of time because there is no standard for said change. This is why athletes do not deserve a platform until after their careers are over, and that platform certainly isn’t a professional sports game. The usual gripe from the left is that fans are in the bathroom, getting hotdogs, etc. during the anthem. So who exactly are you protesting to? The drunk guy jumping through tables? Haha. The kids in the stands? What are they doing to do, they don’t even understand. These players are idiots, plain and simple, and instead of admitting their defeat and finding a different avenue, they’ll continue to force politics down our throats. I’ve never had an issue with the anthem(as it’s been played before sporting events from the lowest levels of local sports) until somebod hojacked it, during an event I paid for, to watch football, not political demonstrations. This country is so backwards, it’s insane.

  29. thetooloftools says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:13 pm
    YOU KNEEL / I’m out. Too stupid to know when your being stupid.
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    I wonder if he knows that “your” and “you’re” aren’t interchangeable.

  30. So when Obama supported Krapernick, it was acceptable for the occupant of the WH to comment on sports.
    But when President Trump does it, all of a sudden sports is off limits for the President?
    Yet another double standard in terms of both political views and race. Obama is liberal and black so he can do whatever he wants whereas President Trump is not liberal and white so he (in the eyes of the left) must be restricted to whatever topics the left says he is allowed to discuss.

  31. “Ok then you do not subscribe to Overlord Obama’s “you didn’t build that” philosophy.”

    What is that supposed to mean? How do you simpletons equate support for the players with support for Obama? Obviously those evangelical schools did not teach you anything about understanding nuance.

  32. NBA has rule: stand for the anthem. But what if they don’t? What is the penalty? NFL now has rule to stand for the anthem, but that will not help if they kneel. So why not just stop playing the anthem? That is like unruly children give parents hassle about bedtime and parents solution is eliminate bedtime. Does that sound right? Not counting the fact that NFL has a contract with the military to play the anthem.

    Simple solution: Stand respectively for the anthem or sit out the game. That is under control of each team, but teams are so afraid of backlash that the simple solution is untenable.

  33. Ok, how about this…they do what they want to do, people who want to bail, bail…people who want to watch football, watch football. When the smoke clears, see how it’s all doing. The people that bail, be gone and move on in your life. No need to read football forums and comment. The people that enjoy the game, have at it. Simple really…

  34. Trump just uses the issue to keep his base fired up. If he was really that patriotic he wouldn’t have dodged the draft 5X during the Viet Nam War and mocked John McCain, who did dare to serve, and our other POWs for getting “captured”.

  35. Maybe the players could produce a series of public service announcements that bring attention to the excessive use of force by law enforcement. The owners could donate free air time to run those ads during games in exchange for the players agreeing not to kneel or protest in any way during the anthem.

  36. Fans should kneel as well..it’s the first amendment..use it and shove it in Trump’s face

  37. deborahlagarde says:
    July 22, 2018 at 1:01 pm
    Uh, Mikey, it’s BASS DRUM, not base drum! And yes, I’m tired of the issue also.
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    Nice catch! I bet that was one of Mikey’s little play on words.

  38. No NFL player has disrespected the flag or our military like Trump himself…like putting our flag along side of the North Korean flag, a country we are still at war with and shares none of our values…no NFL player saluted a North Korean General…no NFL player put the USA and Russia on equal footing…No NFL player has slammed the FBI or Justice department…No NFL player made lewd comments to the Boy Scouts…No NFL player publicly asked Russia to hack an American political candidate…no NFL player dodged the draft claiming bone spurs…No NFL player has trashed our allies…No NFL player licked the boots of Putin for some “unknown” reason…Why don’t they simply call him out on it?

  39. The leftists would rather the USA adopt some sort of variation of the hammer and sickle. Maybe the NFL could play a new anthem based on the State Anthem of the Soviet Union.

    Here’s the new lyrics for you leftists who want to sing along. Modified slightly.

    Unbreakable union of freedom republic
    Great USSA has welded forever to stand!
    Created in struggle be will of the leftists,
    United and mightily our USSA (United socialist states of America)

    Sing to the motherland, home of the free.
    Bulwark of people, in brotherhood strong!
    Oh Party of Sanders The strength of the leftists.
    To communism’s triumph lead us on!

    Through tempests the sun Ray’s of freedom have cheered us
    Along the New (progressive) path where great Sanders did lead!
    To a righteous cause he raised up the people,
    Inspired them to labor and valorous deed!

    In the victory of communism’s deathless ideal,
    We see the future of our dear land
    And to he fluttering scarlet banner,
    Selflessly true, we always shall stand!

  40. cardinealsfan20 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    “The more these kneelers show disrespect for the country that made them successful”.

    The players talent and hard work made them successful. The country had nothing to do with it, as several players are natives of other countries.
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    So why didn’t they play for the NFL in those other countries? OR, why did they leave their country to come to the USA? Surely their ‘talent and hard work’ was the same in their native country. To suggest that this country had ‘nothing to do with their success’ is false. Otherwise, they’d be millionaires while playing football in Syria.

  41. Lets get something straight, if you want politics out of your football than we should scrap the anthem all together or at the very least stop with the war propaganda. That is politics too. If you are going to force the players on the sidelines than they get to voice their opinion too. The answer is simple, go back to pre-2008 and leave all sideline personnel in the locker room. They are only there to support the war. This country does this every time they are afraid the public won’t support the war with their tax dollars.

  42. Yeah I don’t care anymore really. Actually never did. Half the “gentlemen” fans don’t even remove their hats or yell during it anyway. Just play the game.

  43. Here is an end game…just drop this whole thing, if you google the cliche “beating a dead horse” you’ll find NFL and anthem issue as an example.

  44. >and the President surely welcome the victory with silence and humility.

    Trump supporter here. I can say with absolute certainty, this is not the case, lol

  45. donbat67 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:25 pm

    How much do you think it would cost to fly the “Trump Baby ” balloon over a Redskins game ?

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    Your welfare check won’t cover it.

  46. “So why didn’t they play for the NFL in those other countries? OR, why did they leave their country to come to the USA?”

    Uh, because the NFL plays in the United States, not in other countries. That has nothing to do with “this country” making the players successful. They would be just as successful if the NFL was based in Great Britain, France, Australia, etc.

  47. curmudgeon13 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:30 pm
    Perhaps have Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez chime in with her infinite wisdom. That should end it…….
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    What could it hurt?

  48. I’ll tell you the real reason there is no endgame.

    Anyone ever hear the story of the barking dog chasing the car every day, until he catches the car, and then doesn’t know what to do so then he just keeps barking again?

    What is it the players want? I read this site daily, I watch the league’s in house network every morning and most evenings. I still don’t know what, specifically, the players want.

    So therefore you can’t come to a real solution because they have nothing specific they are calling for in the first place. Someone, somewhere, ask them. What do you want? And they won’t have an answer. So they’ll just keep kneeling because they have attention and now they don’t know what to do.

    For example. they go into labor contract talks. They say, specifically, we want less contact in practice. This issue? They have nothing specific. So they want only to keep the kneeling. Therefore, there is no end because the players don’t want it to end.

    That leaves the only conclusion to draw as this: There really is no actual protest going on, it’s simply belligerence for the sake of belligerence.

    I can’t respect that. So I side against the players. They’re just a hot mess with no clue, direction or specifics. How can you respect that? How can you respect un-called for belligerence?

    Just one fan’s view.

  49. As a country we should be ashamed of the effort to squash a peaceful protest of civil rights. It was NEVER had ANYTHING to do with the flag or the military. Everyone who isn’t a fool knows it.

  50. rho1953 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:16 pm
    The end game will be me walking away from the NFL. I watch football for entertainment. I don’t care one little bit what entitled idiots who make millions of dollars think about politics, social issues, or ANYTHING for that matter. Just shut up, play the game, or I will turn off the tv. I mean it.

    Yaaawn. If you walk out that means you care. People that don’t care about something usually don’t change their habits either because something is or isn’t done.

  51. PriorKnowledge says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:59 pm
    NBA has rule: stand for the anthem. But what if they don’t? What is the penalty?
    =======================

    The NBA had a player named Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf (Chris Jackson) who sat for the anthem in 1996. He was suspended and fined. He made a deal with the league that he would stand during the anthem and look down with his eyes closed.
    You would have thought that by now the NFL would have researched that and come up with a similar solution, but the NFL would rather keep tripping over their own feet.

  52. Russia. Collusion. Obstruction. Money Laundering. Corruption. Treason.
    Everything else is just a distraction.
    Let’s keep our eye on the ball. Stay focused.

  53. Of course it won’t go away.

    Putin’s Poodle needs things to distract from his treason and corruption.

  54. “The leftists would rather the USA adopt some sort of variation of the hammer and sickle. Maybe the NFL could play a new anthem based on the State Anthem of the Soviet Union.”

    Lolz. You been under a rock the last week? Was it “leftists” that just displayed fealty to Putin and Russia? Was it “leftists” who took the word of a dictator over his own intelligence community? Trump and the GOP want to adopt sort of variation of the hammer and sickle.

  55. “Uh, because the NFL plays in the United States, not in other countries. That has nothing to do with “this country” making the players successful. They would be just as successful if the NFL was based in Great Britain, France, Australia, etc.”

    I beg to differ. It has EVERYTHING to do with this country because the NFL is not based in Great Britian, France, Australia or anywhere else. Talented or not, they can’t be successful and makes million in the NFL anywhere other than the USA.

  56. Someone tell that pinko-commie that real Republicans keep their noses out of other people’s businesses.

  57. Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 22, 2018 at 1:33 pm
    The end game has to be kept very very simple so Trump supporters can grasp it with their sixth grade education.

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    I have seen zero evidence in your posts that you ever even made it to the sixth grade. And I and not attacking you but it is just that all you espouse is raw anger followed with name calling, some insults and spurious claims of racism. Maybe if you refined your arguments and stuck to actual facts you would create a more compelling case for yourself.

  58. “Russia. Collusion. Obstruction. Money Laundering. Corruption. Treason.
    Everything else is just a distraction.
    Let’s keep our eye on the ball. Stay focused.”

    Agreed 100%. She should be in jail.

  59. pheasbo says:
    July 22, 2018 at 1:53 pm
    “The leftists would rather the USA adopt some sort of variation of the hammer and sickle. Maybe the NFL could play a new anthem based on the State Anthem of the Soviet Union.”

    Lolz. You been under a rock the last week? Was it “leftists” that just displayed fealty to Putin and Russia? Was it “leftists” who took the word of a dictator over his own intelligence community? Trump and the GOP want to adopt sort of variation of the hammer and sickle.

    And yet it was Hillary and Team-O that sold the Russians 20% of our country’s uranium. Can you imagine the press coverage and outrage if Trump did such a thing??

  60. for those of you who are to wimpy for football and say they wont watch? dont let the door hit you on your way out

  61. IMO, it’s not just about police brutality anymore. Now it’s turned into calling the police because someone is bbq’ing in the park, or a guy walking around a house he’s trying to buy/sell. But the so called “patriots” who can’t see past this are also th… Never mind. I’ll stop there.

  62. There is nothing stopping Trump from playing the National Anthem at the White House each day and requiring workers there to stand at attention. Yet, somehow he doesn’t.

  63. This has nothing to do with the president. This is just another attempt by a liberal media to use this type of rhetoric to undermine the very fabric of our society. The players are like movie stars in Hollywood trying to use time in front of the camera to purport their agenda. And they don’t care about our service men and women who gave their lives so that they can play football.

    I am seriously disappointed in the players and the weak owners that will not hold them accountable for their actions.

    If they kneel this year, I’m GONE AND I’m NOT COMMING BACK!

    Signed,

    A proud American citizen and former football fan.

  64. dryzzt23 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:58 pm
    So when Obama supported Krapernick, it was acceptable for the occupant of the WH to comment on sports.
    But when President Trump does it, all of a sudden sports is off limits for the President?
    Yet another double standard in terms of both political views and race. Obama is liberal and black so he can do whatever he wants whereas President Trump is not liberal and white so he (in the eyes of the left) must be restricted to whatever topics the left says he is allowed to discuss.
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    The difference between Obama and Trump is about 75 IQ points.

  65. You want an “End Game”? How about this…

    Players will be allowed to kneel to “preserve their rights as citizens to protest and to allow them to act on their consciousness” even though no other workplace in America allows a person to do it without losing his/her job.

    However… Kneeling players will be fined with the money going to a charity as determined by fans. The NFL can put up a poll the day after the game with say… listing 6 different charities to choose from. The fans can vote over the next week for which charity the money will go to. The league can keep changing the list of teams to vote on PER player so that the money can get spread around and more charities can get the financial help they need.

    This shouldn’t be an issue, as several players have already said they’d be willing to pay a fine rather than stay in the locker room during the anthem when rumors of this latest proposal started leaking.

    First time kneel – a player will be fined $100,000. His protest is now on record we’ve seen him, we know who he is, and we understand what he’s saying.

    Second time kneel – a player will be fined $250,000. There’s no need for a second time kneel as the player’s voice has already been heard and it now becomes overkill. But, if his conscious makes him kneel again, that’s ok as his fine will increase. And since he’ll be giving more to charity, the fans will be more understanding.

    Third time kneel – a player will be fined $500,000.

    Fourth time kneel – a player will be fined $1,000,000.

    Every time kneel after that, a player will be fined an additional $500,000.

    So a player can keep kneeling all he wants or as much as he can afford and fans will be tolerant because we know the money will be going to St Jude’s or the Boys & Girls Clubs of America or who ever WE vote for.

    Heck, this way, I WANT to see which players are willing to put their money where their mouths are. I may find myself WANTING to see them kneel instead of disrespecting the country, the same country that’s providing them an exorbitant living.

    So there you go, “THE SOLUTION!”

  66. Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 22, 2018 at 1:33 pm
    The end game has to be kept very very simple so Trump supporters can grasp it with their sixth grade education.

    ————

    I have seen zero evidence in your posts that you ever even made it to the sixth grade. And I and not attacking you but it is just that all you espouse is raw anger followed with name calling, some insults and spurious claims of racism. Maybe if you refined your arguments and stuck to actual facts you would create a more compelling case for yourself.

    To quote someone posting as NHPutz, you mad bro?

    Seems like you don’t like your education questioned? Relax Francis we all see your racist tendencies in your comments. Refined? The basic unrefined truth is all you need to see the fool and liar Trump is and those who follow him. Refined…..please save the BS,

  67. To all the protesters… white people (the stupid ones who don’t comply with police) get pulled over, arrested and sometimes shot. You just never hear about it.

  68. pheasbo, If Trump were adopting Russian standards, you loons would be wearing MAGA hats. It is the leftist Bernie supporters who are constantly denouncing the USA and demanding we adopt full socialism. Oh, and you’d be hard pressed to fi d any post where I make any claim in support of Trump. He is 90% idiot. We have seen some good things because of non leftist policy under his administration though. As bad as he is, he is a better choice than Clinton. I can’t imagine the economy under another leftist administration. Leftists want nothing more than to see this country completely fail. It will make socialism and communism easier to sell

  69. brownsmyteam says:
    July 22, 2018 at 2:06 pm
    This has nothing to do with the president. This is just another attempt by a liberal media to use this type of rhetoric to undermine the very fabric of our society. The players are like movie stars in Hollywood trying to use time in front of the camera to purport their agenda. And they don’t care about our service men and women who gave their lives so that they can play football.

    I am seriously disappointed in the players and the weak owners that will not hold them accountable for their actions.

    If they kneel this year, I’m GONE AND I’m NOT COMMING BACK!

    Signed,

    A proud American citizen and former football fan.
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    Great! For every one of you that “leaves”, there’ll be 5 more to replace you. Let’s just hope those replacements aren’t as ignorant as you.
    See, if you were paying attention you’d know that a former Green Beret told Kaepernick to kneel instead of sit on the bench. He did. When asked why he did, he told the actual truth. That truth is what you’re afraid to face.

  70. dryzzt23 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:58 pm
    So when Obama supported Krapernick, it was acceptable for the occupant of the WH to comment on sports.
    But when President Trump does it, all of a sudden sports is off limits for the President?
    Yet another double standard in terms of both political views and race. Obama is liberal and black so he can do whatever he wants whereas President Trump is not liberal and white so he (in the eyes of the left) must be restricted to whatever topics the left says he is allowed to discuss.
    – – –

    False comparison!

    A President answering a reporter’s question in a press conference isn’t the same as CHOOSING to talk about it over and over in campaign speeches designed to rally his base and on Twitter.

  71. shlort says:
    July 22, 2018 at 2:13 pm
    pheasbo, If Trump were adopting Russian standards, you loons would be wearing MAGA hats. It is the leftist Bernie supporters who are constantly denouncing the USA and demanding we adopt full socialism. Oh, and you’d be hard pressed to fi d any post where I make any claim in support of Trump. He is 90% idiot. We have seen some good things because of non leftist policy under his administration though. As bad as he is, he is a better choice than Clinton. I can’t imagine the economy under another leftist administration. Leftists want nothing more than to see this country completely fail. It will make socialism and communism easier to sell
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    Worse economy? You mean like under Obama where unemployment dropped dramatically? You mean like under Obama where the stocks were steadily rising? All of that was achieved WITHOUT help from the GOP. Under the Mango Mussolini, stocks are up only because of speculation and him removing Wall St restrictions. Those restrictions PREVENTED the economy from completely collapsing.

  72. Trump inherited the issue. It started in Obama’s era. That is the real irony of the “polarization.” The focus is on the President. Kaepernick was protesting a problem under Obama’s presidency, which if anyone is keeping score have been fewer under Trump than Obama. Time will tell if the trend holds, but Kaepernick’s protest was a reflection of Obama’s handling of racial issues.

  73. FoozieGrooler says:
    July 22, 2018 at 1:53 pm
    I much rather see an NFL player take a knee in protest than watch a President on both knees in front of a sworn enemy who attacked us.

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    I agree, but what does Obama and the Ayatollah have to do with anything?

  74. It is amazing that the new norm in the NFL is half-hazard,
    inconsistent one sided responses to public relations issues.
    One thing consistent is that under Roger Goodell, negative
    issues are allowed to linger long and ugly.
    A major reason is Goodell’s failure to work with the union.
    As a result of Goodell’s failure the players can’t stand him
    and don’t trust him. Therefore when he does need them to
    cooperate, it will likely backfire.
    It is amazing Goodell has taken a weak disorganized group
    and given them some issues that actually unify the players
    into resembling an actual union. This could be a sign that the
    next CBA won’t be as easy as the one shoved down the players
    throats in 2010.

  75. The “end game” is respect the flag, respect the sacrifice that has been made, respect the blood that has been spilled for the freedoms people take for granted.

  76. Don’t let the screen door hit you in the backside??? What’s that got to do with Don’t let the door hit you in the ass? There is no controversy if the media would just let it alone. For those who say just don’t play the anthem get a grip. It’s America, its Canada, it’s the Czech Republic they play anthems before public gatherings. Where you’ve been.

  77. cardinealsfan20 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:32 pm
    “The more these kneelers show disrespect for the country that made them successful”.

    The players talent and hard work made them successful. The country had nothing to do with it, as several players are natives of other countries.

    But they had to come to THIS country to cash in.

  78. Just take away the TV cameras. Ask the networks to never show the players the same way they never show fans running on the field. Other than that just disengage from the argument. Leave it that the players can do whatever they want if its so important to them.

  79. david21907 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 2:29 pm

    Kaepernick’s protest was a reflection of Obama’s handling of racial issues.

    ———————
    It was sulking over getting benched. Obsma deserves zero blame here.

  80. The anthem protesting was the main NFL story for a full year before Trump said a word. Kaepernick and his followers started this. They miscalculated the fan reception. At this point they just want to keep protesting so it doesn’t look like the white man is winning. It’s their own little personal race war they fabricated.

  81. cowboys8and8 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 1:59 pm
    “Russia. Collusion. Obstruction. Money Laundering. Corruption. Treason.
    Everything else is just a distraction.
    Let’s keep our eye on the ball. Stay focused.”

    Agreed 100%. She should be in jail.
    ———————————–

    Remember the former “lock her up” cheerleader from Trump’s inner circle? You know, the one who pleaded guilty to federal crimes and is cooperating with the Russia inquiry. There are plenty of “she’s” who will potentially be locked up before this issue is put to bed, but Hillary won’t be one of them. Keep talking your make-believe storylines if it makes you feel better. Your imagination doesn’t change anything.

  82. As long as the Moron doesn’t open his big ignorant mouth and stays out of it I don’t care. This is just red meat the Moron loves to throw to the base. As Harry said, just turn the cameras off.

  83. As reported on 8/26/16, Colin Kaepernick original quote about kneeling. Kaepernick said “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,” and that’s how it started. Period

    I’m for letting the players protest, let them express themselves and then deal with the questions afterwards. Let the owners pocketing money from the Miltary have to answer why they can unite the league with an agreed upon Anthem policy.

    Let the free market sort it out…both sides hate the fans and deserve everything that happens because of it.

  84. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    July 22, 2018 at 3:15 pm
    cowboys8and8 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 1:59 pm
    “Russia. Collusion. Obstruction. Money Laundering. Corruption. Treason.
    Everything else is just a distraction.
    Let’s keep our eye on the ball. Stay focused.”

    Agreed 100%. She should be in jail.
    ———————————–

    Remember the former “lock her up” cheerleader from Trump’s inner circle? You know, the one who pleaded guilty to federal crimes and is cooperating with the Russia inquiry. There are plenty of “she’s” who will potentially be locked up before this issue is put to bed, but Hillary won’t be one of them. Keep talking your make-believe storylines if it makes you feel better. Your imagination doesn’t change anything.

    ——————
    If you donate $200k to my foundation and pay my spouse $500k for a single speaking engagement Ill happily hook you up with some uranium.

  85. Tone deaf Harry says:
    July 22, 2018 at 3:11 pm
    david21907 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 2:29 pm

    Kaepernick’s protest was a reflection of Obama’s handling of racial issues.

    ———————
    It was sulking over getting benched. Obsma deserves zero blame here.
    ====================================================

    It all started on July 22, 2009. When Obama, after admitting he did not have the facts, publicly said the Cambridge police acted “stupidly” in arresting Henry Gates and inserted the race card. Which resulted in the Beer Summit that Obama used to save face when the actual facts did come otu. BLM and the anti-police movement came out of that. Then he ramped it up even more when he said his son would look like Trayvon Martin. Then the hands up lie was exposed. It’s 100% Obama’s doing.

  86. Seems like the neocon right wing is mad at black players for protesting, regardless of what they are actually protesting. That’s sad. Maybe they will wake up one day and learn not to hate black people, and to hear them out for a change.

  87. Heck, Putin can run the country for all they care.

    ————-

    Yep….this. Seattle guy in Iowa ATM visiting family and the party I was at last night had comments confirming this. Was stunned because two years ago things like this would have never been said in their world.

  88. Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 22, 2018 at 2:10 pm
    Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 22, 2018 at 1:33 pm
    The end game has to be kept very very simple so Trump supporters can grasp it with their sixth grade education.

    ————

    I have seen zero evidence in your posts that you ever even made it to the sixth grade. And I and not attacking you but it is just that all you espouse is raw anger followed with name calling, some insults and spurious claims of racism. Maybe if you refined your arguments and stuck to actual facts you would create a more compelling case for yourself.

    To quote someone posting as NHPutz, you mad bro?

    Seems like you don’t like your education questioned? Relax Francis we all see your racist tendencies in your comments. Refined? The basic unrefined truth is all you need to see the fool and liar Trump is and those who follow him. Refined…..please save the BS,

    —————

    I question both your education and overall intelligence. I do this because you are unable to put forth a lucid and compelling argument and instead resort to name calling and bombast. I submit your above post as exhibit-A.

  89. The President is to be commended for standing up for what’s right. Playing the national anthem is not “forced patriotism.” It is a moment where we remember and salute something that is bigger than any one of us: America. Just because something is not perfect doesn’t mean it is not good.

  90. cardinealsfan20 says:

    The players talent and hard work made them successful. The country had nothing to do with it, as several players are natives of other countries.
    __________________________________________________________________
    Is that a fact? Okay I’ll play. Where else do you get paid 500K to what 20M to play American Football? Canada maybe…. OK. They should go play there with Johnny Football. Who incidentally wants to return to the US to do what???

  91. El Guapo says:
    July 22, 2018 at 3:25 pm
    Seems like the neocon right wing is mad at black players for protesting, regardless of what they are actually protesting. That’s sad. Maybe they will wake up one day and learn not to hate black people, and to hear them out for a change.
    ————————————

    What you and everyone else on that side can’t seam to understand is when you disrespect the anthem and our flag your message it instantly lost. There is a time and a place for those issues that’s the worst place for it. People pay a lot of money to watch their teams and don’t want anybody shoving politics in their face regardless of the issue. You slap people in the face they are going to slap back. We don’t care what you say about anything.

  92. Hmmmm…I’m of Mexican descent, so I don’t know why the word neocon is being used to describe people questioning Anthem protests? Neocon is for politicans in favor of preemptive strike conflict solving against perceived global threats to United States and Isreal.

    If the players want to bring sunlight to a problem effecting black Americans, look no further to the 1588 humans shot 307 dead as of today here in Chicago.

  93. What you and everyone else on that side can’t seam to understand is when you disrespect the anthem and our flag your message it instantly lost.

    Nah, I just think that disrespecting our troops (the people who serve) by dodging the draft, insulting POWs, selling us out to Putin, bowing to Saudi Arabia’s king, instituting anti capitalist tariffs, and saluting North Korean generals is just a little more important. You think you are patriots by supporting that, which makes you even more of a red menace to what the Constitution actually stands for.

  94. “There is a time and a place for those issues…”
    =================

    When and where is the “right time and place” for protest?
    6am on Tuesday morning? 2PM on Saturday? People who don’t want to be bothered by any protests at all will always say “Wait for the right time and place”. Of course ANY time someone protests is always the wrong time for those people.

  95. cardinealsfan20 says:

    It would be a non-issue if the alt-right evangelicals would stop mischaracterizing the reason for the protest. Supporting police brutality through faux anthem outrage is dirty business.
    ___________________________
    It would be a non-issue if the libs stopped pushing a false narrative of pervasive police violence. The whole kneeling movement lacks direction and is devoid of fact. It’s based of twitter and facebook. You want to start a movement why not point fingers directly at the people who deserve it.. the tiny..fraction of officers that violate the law, not all law enforcement. While you are kneeling KAP. Don’t do it wearing pig socks that is demeaning to all law enforcement; a Castro shirt (can’t fix stupid) and don’t kneel under the flag.

    Or go ahead and do it. IT has worked out so well for those who follow your lead and the League.

  96. I question both your education and overall intelligence. I do this because you are unable to put forth a lucid and compelling argument and instead resort to name calling and bombast. I submit your above post as exhibit-A.

    Here is a lucid argument . Trump is an unabashed racist that your love to support because he supports your prejudice. Evidence of your prejudice is your frequent tirades on Tomlin….you are not just trolling you are a bigot and your support of Trump reinforces it.
    Trump is hiding behind this issue to divert people from his horrendous treasonous act this week. He wants to gin up the juices of the racists like NHPutz and has succeeded.

  97. Start by removing the treasonous traitor that is currently president.

    That wannabe dictator declares free press the enemy of the people and the lemmings who voted for him snap to attention immediately, like true loyal subjects.

    The fools who voted for Drumph prefer a monarchy/dictatorship as opposed to a liberal president elected by the people.

    Cohen is already singing and the braying donkey who preaches loyalty is going to get scorched.

    Yeah, Cohen said he’s take a bullet for Drumph, but he never said anything about gong to jail for the cheeto dusted dotard.

  98. What are you afraid of?
    An anthem plays, a man kneels, and points to an injustice he sees taking place, and says, “Look, we can be better.” People are outraged, not at the injustice occurring, but at the act of kneeling. The injustice goes on.
    What are you afraid of?
    The man in the White House has a bad week, and like a magician doing sleight of hand, says, “Don’t look at my left hand, look at what I’m pointing to with my right! The son of a bitch is kneeling!” The crowd cheers, happy to be distracted from the mess that threatens their view of the naked Emperor they elected. What are they afraid of?
    No one ever died for an anthem or a flag, although many have given their life for our country. Those are just symbols, and part of what our national anthem and our flag symbolize is the right of every citizen to stand up, or kneel, and say, “Something is wrong, and we can be better.” Why are you afraid to listen?
    I’m tired of this. We all seem to live in an echo chamber that doesn’t allow for other views, and we seem to have lost the ability to listen to anyone with a different opinion, and we are determined not to be convinced that we are wrong. We hide behind cute pseudonyms online, and often say things we would never put our names on for fear of ridicule or physical confrontation. Yeah, I know, me, too.
    We need to face our fears and differences, instead of just screeching at each other, and trying to come up with the most obnoxious or cutest line, looking for the most thumbs up.
    What are you afraid of?

  99. “Remember the former “lock her up” cheerleader from Trump’s inner circle? You know, the one who pleaded guilty to federal crimes and is cooperating with the Russia inquiry. There are plenty of “she’s” who will potentially be locked up before this issue is put to bed, but Hillary won’t be one of them. Keep talking your make-believe storylines if it makes you feel better. Your imagination doesn’t change anything.”

    I’m afraid you’re right on one account, Hillary will more than likely never pay for her crimes. BUT, my “make-believe storylines” are far from make-believe. She’s as guilty as the day is long, and you know it. Even if you’re not willing to admit here, you know it, I know it and the world knows it. Oh, and Bernie knows it too. As far as my imagination…There is no way I would have imagined a presidential candidate capable of committing the long list of crimes she has committed. We can agree to disagree on our political beliefs, but to simply ignore what she has done because it favors your side of the isle is exactly what’s wrong with this country.

    Wait…Let me stop you right there. There is ZERO proof Trump has done anything wrong or illegal.

  100. Tone deaf Harry says:
    July 22, 2018 at 3:24 pm
    If you donate $200k to my foundation and pay my spouse $500k for a single speaking engagement Ill happily hook you up with some uranium.
    —————————————-
    That has already been explored numerous times. Trump appointees head the DOJ, Republicans rule the House, and Republicans rule the Senate. If Hillary is so guilty, why don’t the Republicans call for special investigations of her crimes? Oh, that’s right, because they already did and came up with ZILCH!!! I’m sorry you have nothing else to run with but glee club chants of “Lock Her Up,” but that’s all you’ve got. I’m sorry.

  101. El Guapo says:

    Seems like the neocon right wing is mad at black players for protesting, regardless of what they are actually protesting.
    ================================================

    We equally dislike the white players who do it. Sorry to shoot down your theory. When someone uses symbols of our country to protest then we don’t care what they are actually protesting.

  102. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    July 22, 2018 at 4:04 pm
    Tone deaf Harry says:
    July 22, 2018 at 3:24 pm
    If you donate $200k to my foundation and pay my spouse $500k for a single speaking engagement Ill happily hook you up with some uranium.
    —————————————-
    That has already been explored numerous times. Trump appointees head the DOJ, Republicans rule the House, and Republicans rule the Senate. If Hillary is so guilty, why don’t the Republicans call for special investigations of her crimes? Oh, that’s right, because they already did and came up with ZILCH!!! I’m sorry you have nothing else to run with but glee club chants of “Lock Her Up,” but that’s all you’ve got. I’m sorry.
    ========================================================

    Please tell us what republican special investigation looked into crimes committed by Hillary and found nothing.

  103. El Guapo says:
    July 22, 2018 at 3:57 pm
    What you and everyone else on that side can’t seam to understand is when you disrespect the anthem and our flag your message it instantly lost.

    Nah, I just think that disrespecting our troops (the people who serve) by dodging the draft, insulting POWs, selling us out to Putin, bowing to Saudi Arabia’s king, instituting anti capitalist tariffs, and saluting North Korean generals is just a little more important. You think you are patriots by supporting that, which makes you even more of a red menace to what the Constitution actually stands for.
    ————————————

    Funny that the Liberals loved Russia/Soviet Union for the last 100 years until they needed an excuse for losing an election. A little advice, don’t run the most corrupt candidate in history right after having the most corrupt President in history and you’ll have better luck.

  104. Why not just have the players stay in the locker room. They pretty much had them doing that to 2009 and I don’t remember any uproar about that so why not just do that again

  105. @scales of justice:

    Re: MotoCross and SuperCross competitors, fans and their ilk, in my humble opinion

    Hard working? Of course, as much as anyone else.

    Respectful? Some, definitely not all.

    Classy? That assertion is laughable, at best.

    Please add The Left-Turn Curcuit and Monster Truck rallies to that list.

  106. dryzzt23 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:49 pm
    What I do not like about this entire situation is this:
    PLAYERS are the root cause of the problem, with their act of kneeling in support of black criminals who don’t want to be arrested for their crimes.

    The media is making damn sure that the blame is being laid at the feet of the NFL itself and NFL franchises that dare to discipline players for disrespecting our flag.

    This entire fiasco is designed to ensure that players are seen as being oppressed and the NFL is some draconian employer that is intolerant is regards to causes that the players support.

    ————————–
    Black criminals? You mean criminals like Stephon Clark who was shot in his grandmother’s backyard with a cellphone in his hand and an autopsy refuted the police report that he was advancing toward him? Or criminals like Terrence Crutcher in Tulsa where videos showed him walking with his hands up when he was shot? Or criminals like Philando Castile who was pulled over for a broken tail light who resembled a robbery suspect. Just trying to figure out which criminals you are referring to. Please take your hood off before you respond.

  107. Maybe the protesters during the anthem for social injustice might turn their efforts to the domestic violence problem in their own back yard

  108. Michael E says:
    July 22, 2018 at 4:08 pm
    bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    July 22, 2018 at 4:04 pm
    Tone deaf Harry says:
    July 22, 2018 at 3:24 pm
    If you donate $200k to my foundation and pay my spouse $500k for a single speaking engagement Ill happily hook you up with some uranium.
    —————————————-
    That has already been explored numerous times. Trump appointees head the DOJ, Republicans rule the House, and Republicans rule the Senate. If Hillary is so guilty, why don’t the Republicans call for special investigations of her crimes? Oh, that’s right, because they already did and came up with ZILCH!!! I’m sorry you have nothing else to run with but glee club chants of “Lock Her Up,” but that’s all you’ve got. I’m sorry.
    ========================================================

    Please tell us what republican special investigation looked into crimes committed by Hillary and found nothing.

    ========================================================

    Please don’t put words in my mouth, Michael. I know it’s convenient, but it’s intellectually dishonest. How much does the Kremlin pay you to come up with such nonsense? Go back to sleep.

  109. bannedfromchoirpractice says:

    ———————————————
    The difference between Obama and Trump is about 75 IQ points.
    ________________________________

    Well that and about 3 billion in net worth. Which one has the lower I.Q?

  110. Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 22, 2018 at 4:01 pm
    I question both your education and overall intelligence. I do this because you are unable to put forth a lucid and compelling argument and instead resort to name calling and bombast. I submit your above post as exhibit-A.

    Here is a lucid argument . Trump is an unabashed racist that your love to support because he supports your prejudice. Evidence of your prejudice is your frequent tirades on Tomlin….you are not just trolling you are a bigot and your support of Trump reinforces it.
    Trump is hiding behind this issue to divert people from his horrendous treasonous act this week. He wants to gin up the juices of the racists like NHPutz and has succeeded.
    ——————————————

    Do you just copy these statements off of your communist blogs you read comrade? They sound so redundant and boring.

  111. How many of these comments originated from Russia? Only seems to crop up on this specific issue. National stories last year that a part of Russia’s internet campaign in the US was to sow discontent on the anthem issue. If we knew who was posting from Russia, then the American patriots that agree with them might feel a little silly. Or maybe they wouldn’t.

  112. Funny that the Liberals loved Russia/Soviet Union for the last 100 years until they needed an excuse for losing an election. A little advice, don’t run the most corrupt candidate in history right after having the most corrupt President in history and you’ll have better luck.

    3
    The most corrupt president is currently in office ,comrade. What proof do you have of the so-called Liberals loved Russia? I have proof of your President kissing Putins boots out of fear/respect.

    Thanks for the most obtuse comment of the day…..comrade.

  113. Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 22, 2018 at 4:33 pm
    Funny that the Liberals loved Russia/Soviet Union for the last 100 years until they needed an excuse for losing an election. A little advice, don’t run the most corrupt candidate in history right after having the most corrupt President in history and you’ll have better luck.

    3
    The most corrupt president is currently in office ,comrade. What proof do you have of the so-called Liberals loved Russia? I have proof of your President kissing Putins boots out of fear/respect.

    Thanks for the most obtuse comment of the day…..comrade.
    —————————————

    Bernie Sanders was a step away from the presidential nomination and would have won if they didn’t rig the votes for Hillary. Guess where the self described socialist spent his honeymoon in 1988? If you guessed Russia you are right. So your Democratic presidential candidate should have been the Russia loving commie himself, Bernie Sanders. I could give you more proof but I figure that will do…….Comrade.

  114. Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 22, 2018 at 4:01 pm
    I question both your education and overall intelligence. I do this because you are unable to put forth a lucid and compelling argument and instead resort to name calling and bombast. I submit your above post as exhibit-A.

    Here is a lucid argument . Trump is an unabashed racist that your love to support because he supports your prejudice. Evidence of your prejudice is your frequent tirades on Tomlin….you are not just trolling you are a bigot and your support of Trump reinforces it.
    Trump is hiding behind this issue to divert people from his horrendous treasonous act this week. He wants to gin up the juices of the racists like NHPutz and has succeeded.

    ————-

    You call that a lucid argument? It is just more name calling and Leftist hysteria.

    As for Tomlin, he is not a good coach. It has nothing to do with his race…it has to do with his skills and aptitude. If he were white, he would still be a mediocre coach. You trade the Pats and Steelers’s rosters over the past 10 years and BB wins with that roster over Tomlin every time.

    Between the two of us, you are the racist pal. You are the one who sees everything through the prism of race. It’s really pretty pathetic.

    Oh and I didn’t vote for Trump. I voted for Gary Johnson. But I do love the way Trump has exposed you Lefties for who you really are!

  115. So strange how it becomes a President Trump hate fest on a Sports website. Way too much hate out there.

    My question is why won’t the kneeler’s ask their homie boys to possibly consider committing less crimes. If they don’t want interaction with the police cutting back on the criminal behavior would be a good first step.

  116. You call that a lucid argument? It is just more name calling and Leftist hysteria.

    Name calling and then you say”Leftist”…….you do realize what you just did? Us lefties are not racists like you are regardless of who you voted for. Your constant attacks of Tomlin you can pass off with rationalizations. But do us a favor try saying your answer in front of a mirror with your wife listening and watch the expression on her face…….i dare you to …..wait you have to off the pointy white hat and the sheet first.

  117. “You call that a lucid argument? It is just more name calling and Leftist hysteria. As for Tomlin, he is not a good coach. It has nothing to do with his race…it has to do with his skills and aptitude. If he were white, he would still be a mediocre coach. You trade the Pats and Steelers’s rosters over the past 10 years and BB wins with that roster over Tomlin every time. Between the two of us, you are the racist pal. You are the one who sees everything through the prism of race. It’s really pretty pathetic. Oh and I didn’t vote for Trump. I voted for Gary Johnson. But I do love the way Trump has exposed you Lefties for who you really are!”

    It’s probably not fair to use the words mediocre & coach in the same sentence, without mentioning the name Jason Garrett.

  118. Darryl Williams says:
    July 22, 2018 at 4:29 pm
    bannedfromchoirpractice says:

    ———————————————
    The difference between Obama and Trump is about 75 IQ points.
    ________________________________

    Well that and about 3 billion in net worth. Which one has the lower I.Q?
    ———————————

    And let’s not fail to mention a boatload more junk in the trunk than Obama. I truly believe that is why IQ45 is so interested in building the border wall, so his caboose won’t seem so large in a side-by-side comparison with the wall. He’ll want a lot of photo-ops with the wall, once it’s built. Yes, he’s smart that way.

  119. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    July 22, 2018 at 5:21 pm

    And let’s not fail to mention a boatload more junk in the trunk than Obama. I truly believe that is why IQ45 is so interested in building the border wall, so his caboose won’t seem so large
    ____________________________________________________________

    His caboose is so big because he needs it to be so that he can hold the wallet and the keys to his garage full of Bentley’s. I’d gladly take on a few lb’s for 3 billion. Comparitively speaking losing weight is easier than amassing a 3 billion dollars…. That’s 3,000 million. LOL!

  120. whoismikejones13 says:

    I want to watch football and I don’t want politics involved! Is that too much to ask?
    ==========================================================

    The leftists reply to that by simply calling you a racist and then go on a rant about Trump. Watching the democrat party today is like watching the Soviet Union die.

  121. Between the two of us, you are the racist pal. You are the one who sees everything through the prism of race. It’s really pretty pathetic.

    @NHPutz. Hey Pal, I am white , New England born and raised, and a veteran. I see people thru a prism of respect for our differences and our right for dignity while you on the other hand are hanging on to white privilege with a white knuckle grip of fear…….buckle up Francis cause you world is going to be changing and you won’t be as smug as you are now.

  122. Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 22, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    Us lefties are not racists like you are regardless of who you voted for.
    ——————————————

    Confederate government—Leftists
    KKK— militant wing of the Democrat Party
    Jim Crow Laws— Democrat controlled state legislatures
    —LBJ talking about the welfare bill, “I’ll have those ******* voting Democrat for the next 200 years.”
    —Bill Clinton talking to Ted Kennedy about Barrack Obama, “He would be getting us coffee a few years ago.”
    —Senator Robert Byrd— Grand Dragon in the KKK.

  123. The NFL didn’t need to do anything to support the kneelers, and could have enforced their rule to stand during the anthem. Instead, they opted to listen to the kneelers, allow them to kneel or do whatever they like, and also gave them $89M for their cause, even though the players never said what they would do to assist in helping with the cause or how the money would help their cause. What have the players done to show any work toward their cause, and what have they done to show any gratitude? Remember, this is their issue, not the league’s or fan’s issue. The league and/or fans shouldn’t have been expected to help at all. There is no end because of the kneelers, who like spoiled children, only cry louder for more when they get their way.

  124. mullman76 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 4:14 pm
    @scales of justice:

    Re: MotoCross and SuperCross competitors, fans and their ilk, in my humble opinion

    Hard working? Of course, as much as anyone else.

    Respectful? Some, definitely not all.

    Classy? That assertion is laughable, at best.

    Please add The Left-Turn Curcuit and Monster Truck rallies to that list.

    _____________________________________________________

    Says the guy who has never watched and know nothing of class and respect.

  125. NFL should meet with the nflpa and offer them to not test players for marijuana. In exchange, every player must stand for the anthem. If a player doesn’t stand they get a 4 game suspension. Win win and Problem solved.

  126. Liberalsruineverything says:
    July 22, 2018 at 6:01 pm
    Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 22, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    Us lefties are not racists like you are regardless of who you voted for.
    ——————————————

    Confederate government—Leftists
    KKK— militant wing of the Democrat Party
    Jim Crow Laws— Democrat controlled state legislatures
    —LBJ talking about the welfare bill, “I’ll have those ******* voting Democrat for the next 200 years.”
    —Bill Clinton talking to Ted Kennedy about Barrack Obama, “He would be getting us coffee a few years ago.”
    —Senator Robert Byrd— Grand Dragon in the KKK.
    ==================================================

    And Hillary called Senator Byrd her mentor. The media said not one word.

  127. nyjad says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:48 pm
    How about this. Let’s not show the kneelers on TV and not have the doofus sideline reporters talk about it. Nobody cares!! We just want to watch football!!
    ________________

    If the players stay in the locker room, this problem is solved

  128. I think I’ll come into work tomorrow with a sign protesting something against my job but I still want to work there. Wonder what the owner will say to me.

  129. illgivemyopinion says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:22 pm
    thetooloftools, as the saying goes “don’t let the screen door hit you on the behind as you leave.”
    —————–

    Screen doors open out, so there is no way for it to hit you in the ass as you leave, unless you are backing out.

  130. Nofoolnodrool says:
    July 22, 2018 at 5:55 pm
    Between the two of us, you are the racist pal. You are the one who sees everything through the prism of race. It’s really pretty pathetic.

    @NHPutz. Hey Pal, I am white , New England born and raised, and a veteran. I see people thru a prism of respect for our differences and our right for dignity while you on the other hand are hanging on to white privilege with a white knuckle grip of fear…….buckle up Francis cause you world is going to be changing and you won’t be as smug as you are now.

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    I don’t care what color you are…..you play the race card because it’s all you have. After reading your posts for a few year now I can only conclude you are not a bright man so it is difficult for you to debate others and convince them of your position based on substance and fact. This is why you engage in name calling and identity politics. Do yourself and those around you a favor….listen more, speak less and educate yourself.

  131. Freeagentnflfan, your complete ignorance about the economy is astounding. If you actually believe the leftist agenda is about making this country better, you are sadly mistaken. The things you say improved under Obama, improved despite the leftists attempts to keep everything down. We wont see a move to total socialism without a total collapse of capitalism. The leftists will never be able to sell socialism otherwise. And if you think socialism isn’t the goal, explain why the DNC is parading Sanders and Oserio-Cortez around the country trying to establish support for socialism. That is what the progress is toward. You really don’t know this?

  132. crabboil says:
    July 22, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    Someone tell that pinko-commie that real Republicans keep their noses out of other people’s businesses.

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    Then why are they so worried about abortion?

  133. crabboil says:
    July 22, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    Someone tell that pinko-commie that real Republicans keep their noses out of other people’s businesses.

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    Then why are they so worried about abortion?
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    Because the babies being killed can’t talk.

  134. It’s pretty simple. Tell your media partners to stop reporting every time a player stands, sits, kneels, or stays in the locker room. If it wasn’t on TV every single week, 1) people would forget about it, and 2) the players will stop because they get no media attention.

    The purpose of the protests is to bring attention and awareness to social issues. Let the players speak out about the issues during their media time and let the playing field be about playing football. Before reporters can ask players questions after a game, give the players 15-30 seconds to say anything they want about any social issue or charity they want to support.

  135. I wish the President would exert his power and push the kick offs back to where they belong.

  136. @nofooldrool: do you even go back and read the childish comments you post? I find it hard to believe that you are actually an adult. If you in fact are an adult, you are one angry, unhappy human being. I’m sorry for you.

  137. shlort says:

    Freeagentnflfan, your complete ignorance about the economy is astounding. If you actually believe the leftist agenda is about making this country better, you are sadly mistaken. The things you say improved under Obama, improved despite the leftists attempts to keep everything down. We wont see a move to total socialism without a total collapse of capitalism. The leftists will never be able to sell socialism otherwise. And if you think socialism isn’t the goal, explain why the DNC is parading Sanders and Oserio-Cortez around the country trying to establish support for socialism. That is what the progress is toward. You really don’t know this?
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    Not sure what this has to do with football, but I can’t let this go unanswered. Let me start at the bottom. The DNC is not parading those two. Look at the DNC website. Nothing about them. They are doing this on their own to champion Progressive candidates.

    The ‘leftists’ are not trying to sell socialism. That is a scare tactic the state run and corporate run news organizations tell you, so people will vote for corporate friendly candidates. Obama was not ‘leftist.’ In his own words, he was a “moderate Republican.” His healthcare plan was Romneycare written by Heritage Foundation. The ‘leftists’ like Sanders and Ocasio want policies that the majority of Americans want: Medicare for All, Public education K-college, reduce income inequality, money out of politics, criminal justice reform (rehabilitation vs for profit prisons).

  138. Its hilarious to see people who voted for a guy that wouldn’t even acknowledge that Russia interfered with our democracy (and instead blamed our own intelligence agencies!) are so worried about NFL player patriotism. This guy is cancer to our country and you’re worried about a handful of football players.

  139. Because the babies being killed can’t talk.
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    Gotta love republicans. They’re desperate to make sure every unwanted baby gets born no matter what. But then once that child is here they vote against all the social programs that are necessary to support the child. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

  140. I agree with comments about doing public service announcements. Players and owners can jointly discuss improving the poor behavior of the citizens/illegals encountered by police, as well as improving police actions. Do public appearances and forums. Define the issue and discuss it. The issue being protested is a behavior issue, not a racial issue. So work to improve behavior!

    Also- the President is doing his job of reinforcing patriotism and love of country, respect for flag and institutions, etc. He is just doing his job.

  141. cardinealsfan20 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:38 pm
    It would be a non-issue if the alt-right evangelicals would stop mischaracterizing the reason for the protest. Supporting police brutality through faux anthem outrage is dirty business.

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    It’s a mistake to assume that all who oppose using the national anthem as a protest support police brutality. More likely, most support the cause but oppose the method In which the message is delivered. It’s also a mistake to assume that just because someone says they don’t mean to offend, that their action will then not be offensive. Given that the protests have generated much more attention for national anthem etiquette and free speech rights than for police brutality, maybe the protestors should consider finding a more effective way to protest

  142. How can you kneel against a country that people are never fighting, clawing scraping, putting themselves in danger…. to get out of?

    Human beings literally all over the world are fighting, clawing, scraping, putting themselves in danger…. to get in this country over others.

    And having only, of all things, athletic skills has made you a millionaire many times over, in this country, and you…… of all things…..protest the country???

    Are you sure you’re correct??

  143. One more kneel and you can count me out. Get your damn money somewhere else besides my pocket

  144. rho1953 says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:16 pm
    The end game will be me walking away from the NFL. I watch football for entertainment. I don’t care one little bit what entitled idiots who make millions of dollars think about politics, social issues, or ANYTHING for that matter. Just shut up, play the game, or I will turn off the tv. I mean it.
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    Then do it cause no one cares it you do.

  145. bannedfromchoirpractice says: July 22, 2018 at 2:06 pm
    The difference between Obama and Trump is about 75 IQ points.

    LOL. Most guess Trump’s is apx. 155, Obama’s apx. 102. May want to check your assumptions or your math..

  146. No spine from Goodell or owners to keep politics out got us into this mess, end-game is a lose-lose destruction of the NFL, one of the most profitable endeavors in history. Sorry slow, foul-mouthed triggered libs, but citizen Trump has just as much right to an opinion and has just a bit more push than you. The wise understand the original false narrative that started it, that America made these ingrates, and chuckle when considering an NFL Somolia, North Korea or Haiti etc..

  147. LandOf10000MethLabs says:
    July 22, 2018 at 12:16 pm
    So it’s all the President’s fault. Typical liberal blame shifting.

    It’s true that Trump should have just shut up about this and concentrated on keeping his campaign promises, but the simple fact is that this whole issue started with the players and will end with the players.
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    You should’ve just left it alone right there.

  148. sylvester000001 says:
    July 23, 2018 at 1:55 am

    And having only, of all things, athletic skills has made you a millionaire many times over, in this country, and you…… of all things…..protest the country???
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    How do you know these guy “only” have athletic skills? What does being a millionaire have to do with anything? You can love the country without loving everything about it.

    This issue is about control. Controlling people.

  149. What many people fail to realize is what’s more important than respecting the flag, is the RIGHT to disrespect it. Yes, it seems wrong and backwards, but what makes America great is freedom- even if that freedom is unpopular. Every kneeling player is a reminder to me of that liberty, even if I find it upsetting.

    Protesting isn’t un-American, it’s actually the most American thing one can do.

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