Belichick uses “lowlights” to keep players humble

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The Jimmy Garoppolo profile from Joon Lee of BleacherReport.com contained plenty of interesting comments. One relates to the interesting comments that Patriots coach Bill Belichick routinely directs to his players.

There was no BS-ing around,” Garoppolo told Lee. “I related to him in that way, as crazy as it sounds. He’s different than he is with the media. He has dry humor — he would say some stuff that was borderline mean. He would put up a lowlight clip every once in a while, and it was always your worst throws from practice. He would put it up there, and you already knew what was about to happen. Any position, there are so many people on the outside hyping you up and saying good things, that everyone needs to be brought back down.”

In early 2017, former Patriots receiver Chad Johnson explained during a visit to PFT Live that, during the first meeting of the 2011 season, Belichick mercilessly ripped quarterback Tom Brady for his performance in a January 2010 playoff loss to the Jets.

The methods have worked well for Belichick, forcing players to know their roles, do their jobs, and not let themselves ever develop an ego that could become problematic when trying to ensure that a team of football players is working well together at any given time.

58 responses to “Belichick uses “lowlights” to keep players humble

  1. If you are a fan then you should really appreciate Bill. That NE loss to the NYJ that is referenced in the piece was a beat down. NE could not move the ball. I only watched the game once but I’m sure Tom could’ve gotten rid of the ball sooner, at least. Somebody needed to pay the cost for that debacle. That was a despicable performance for those of you that don’t remember that game. NE was 14-2 and the NYJ were a wild card team, NE best record in the league and one and done.

  2. What about Bills ego? Is he going to show Butler sitting on the bench, while Foles picks apart his defense?

  3. @terripet: Honey, you have it wrong. This is a Patriots article, not a Colts article. Sounds pretty lame coming from an Indianapolis fan.

  4. Just another coach who was fired with the Browns after having the worst winning percentage in the history of the Browns organization at that point. Some could say he was the beginning of the downfall for the Browns. Good job Bill.

  5. perhaps he should show his defense the past super bowl. enough low lites there to show for a month

  6. Hahahahahaha.@terri-pets-it. We will at the end of this season and it will read SUPER BOWL CHAMPS,!!

  7. The methods have worked well for Belichick, forcing players to know their roles, do their jobs, and not let themselves ever develop an ego that could become problematic when trying to ensure that a team of football players is working well together at any given time.

    Just like a slave master would not let slaves learn to read. Same mentality.

  8. He should use lowlights of McDaniels’ year as head coach of the Broncos. That guy needs lessons in humility.

  9. One of the best qualities Belichick has is his willingness to give it to Brady like anyone else on the team. In that vein, one of the best qualities that Brady possesses is that he is not an uncoachable diva. He’s accountable like anyone else, and his teammates see how he responds to that. This one-of-a-kind relationship has been the reason for the sustained excellence of this team as the roster has turned over many times.

  10. And this ONLY works when you are Bill Belichick. He keeps everything in “the vault Jerry.” He’s been in the NFL since 1975. If you allow or encourage some empty UNEARNED “TV personality” to use this method as a shtick for ratings sake, they can only come off as total and complete jerks.

    looking at you TV executives. Don’t do it.

  11. Remember, this is the head coach of the team that broke the tradition of individual player entrances at the Super Bowl, a team that came out all together instead. Now every team does that. I think he knows what he’s doing!

  12. yooperman says:
    July 24, 2018 at 6:29 am
    What about Bills ego? Is he going to show Butler sitting on the bench, while Foles picks apart his defense?
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    No, he’ll just probably show them the 5 Lombardi’s he’s brought to the team & go over the winning percentage vs the rest of the NFL by them following his direction….

  13. yooperman says:
    July 24, 2018 at 6:29 am

    What about Bills ego? Is he going to show Butler sitting on the bench, while Foles picks apart his defense?
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    Well, we will never no the truth in the Butler fiasco.

    It has always been said that the Patriots hold everyone to the same standards, including coaches- don’t know if that pertains to Bill though. Bellichik has been making increasingly odd in game decisions since about 2013/14. Decisions which have lost games- really important ones, and in particular in 2015 cost them 3 games and a chance to make another SB.
    Two years ago he was quoted as saying he doesn’t want to coach players he doesn’t like anymore- and I think you can see it in the team roster. he could have kept Jabaal Sheard for next to nothing, a guy who proved his worth during his tenure, and the type of guy that would have been a difference maker, but Bill never liked him. Same with Ealy last year=- it was an attitude thing from day 1, and cutting him gained the team nothing. And one of the glaring examples of this is the Jamie Collins trade- a guy who was your best, or second best defensive player. Bill traded Chandler Jones to presumably get cap space for Collins, then inexplicably trade him. Weird- especially since Hightower has never been able to play a full season.

  14. redclaw1314 says:
    July 24, 2018 at 6:22 am
    Every fan base would take Bill Belichick in a second (or less).

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    No way would I take a cheater like Belichick. Selling your soul for Super Bowl trophies. No way.

    It’s like the rich ruthless guy that cheated his way to being rich. I’d rather have a good conscious than trade for wins or money.

  15. yooperman says:
    July 24, 2018 at 6:29 am
    What about Bills ego? Is he going to show Butler sitting on the bench, while Foles picks apart his defense?

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    Yes, he needs to stroke his ego during the last game of the year? How about Butler sucked and they lost trsut in the guy once and for all?

    Why is it BB’s job to make people not crazy? They offeered him Chris Harris money, he rejected it, and then underperformed all year, with some very poor stats. Then, he apparently went off the rails completely, apparently realizing his time in NE was ending, and with Gilmore playing well, he clearly got jealous.

    He faked a flu once he learned he was not in the package as the focal point of the gameplan, cleaned out his locker mumbling about getting paid, and then had bad SB practices. Patricia never went near him in free agency either.

    It’s a strong unlikelihood Butler wouldn’t have made one bit of difference. Brady shredded Philly’s D as well. It was a shootout style game. Big deal. I am more annoyed by Brady’s sluggish SB starts and his dropped pass with a fumble on 2nd and 2.

    Foles played really well as a former MVP candidate. Brady played well, but not well enough throughout the full game, which is his MO in these SBs.

    NE has never scored a TD in the 1st qtr with Brady under Center. It’s a problem and continues to be a problem.

    The Pats D was decimated and players like Branch (paid) and Butler (rejecting good money), were issues all year. These are the facts.

    BB lost trust, as did the other coaches and some of his own teammates that said his not playing was not unwarranted.

    Here are Butler’s atrocious stats:

    1. 103 passer rating against
    2. Dropped from 5th in 2016 to 51st.
    3. 11th-most yards at 698 and ranking 108th in yards after the catch at 233
    4. Gave up 6 TDS, 3rd MOST in the entire NFlL.

    TRanslation? Butler was already on thin ice and with Jon Jones hurt late in the year, there was no one necessarily definitive to bench him for someone else at the nickel. Bademosi is more of a perimeter CB.

    So, there you go. It has notjhing to do with ego. When you have other coaches and players losing trust in a team game, a benhcing is not uncommon.

    It’s certainly in no way, shape or form why they lost. Playing a bad player would not have solved any issues, especially with Goodell handing Philly 2 free TDs. That was far more the reason for the loss along with Brady’s lack of focus on the Amendola pass.

  16. Bradley Robert Hamrick says:
    July 24, 2018 at 6:29 am
    If you are a fan then you should really appreciate Bill. That NE loss to the NYJ that is referenced in the piece was a beat down. NE could not move the ball. I only watched the game once but I’m sure Tom could’ve gotten rid of the ball sooner, at least. Somebody needed to pay the cost for that debacle. That was a despicable performance for those of you that don’t remember that game. NE was 14-2 and the NYJ were a wild card team, NE best record in the league and one and done.

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    My memory of that game was Brady recklessly throwing an INT into a crowd of green shirts on a swing pass, after the Pats were steamrolling down the field against that overrated Jets D. And, then, the Crumpler TD drop, where it should have been 14-0 and likely a game over.

    Give the Jets credit for taking advantage of those miscues, but all I can see is Brady staring off into the camera to the sidelines like a deer in the headlights never have seen a football before. He was terrible.

    This was early on during the Giselle Curse that was so obvious where he wasn’t at Foxboreough as much in the offseason, developed an attitude of sorts during his contract negotiation, and was mediocre in the postseason all of a sudden and his INT rate started to skyrocket. It was also around the time they’d sub in the backs on and off and over-use Woodhead, and not use BJGE enough to establish a run game, at least in that game and others in that era.

    O’Brien would panic, as McDaniels does, Brady always had full autonomy at the line, but he always thought throwing 60 times was a slam dunk way to win, when we’ve seen, it’s not at all.

  17. Tom always said he wanted to be coached and not to treat him gently. He also recognizes that it benefits the team to see that nobody is above criticism. His ability to take the criticism also shows them that you leave your own ego at the door and focus on doing your job within the team.

    When I’ve watched some footage of BB talking to the team, I’ve noticed that his criticism usually focuses on things that the player should have done as a result of practice and preparation. He doesn’t yell at a guy for a bad result, it will always be because of not being in the right position or something along those lines.

    As far as BB’s own ego goes, he’s plenty hard on himself. When the team does well, he gives all the credit to the players. When the team doesn’t do well, he makes sure to talk about failures in coaching as well as execution. And don’t forget that what he says to the media is different from what’s said to the team in private. He never throws a guy under the bus in public or even much comments on individuals. He saves individual criticism for inside the team only. Guys can feel that no matter how tough the critique is, they’re not going to be shamed in public.

    Man, do I ever remember that Jets playoff game. It was a cold but clear night and it was so tough to watch I kept putting on my coat and boots to walk around the house. I couldn’t help peeking in the window, but then I’d just have to go around again.

  18. Well, we will never no the truth in the Butler fiasco.

    It has always been said that the Patriots hold everyone to the same standards, including coaches- don’t know if that pertains to Bill though. Bellichik has been making increasingly odd in game decisions since about 2013/14. Decisions which have lost games- really important ones, and in particular in 2015 cost them 3 games and a chance to make another SB.
    Two years ago he was quoted as saying he doesn’t want to coach players he doesn’t like anymore- and I think you can see it in the team roster. he could have kept Jabaal Sheard for next to nothing, a guy who proved his worth during his tenure, and the type of guy that would have been a difference maker, but Bill never liked him. Same with Ealy last year=- it was an attitude thing from day 1, and cutting him gained the team nothing. And one of the glaring examples of this is the Jamie Collins trade- a guy who was your best, or second best defensive player. Bill traded Chandler Jones to presumably get cap space for Collins, then inexplicably trade him. Weird- especially since Hightower has never been able to play a full season.

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    I just told out the truth. The truth was unearthed by Mike Giardi, Jeff Howe and someone like Doug Kyed. Their job is to get the truth, not stroke speculation geared for clicks and to go after BB so creepy psychos who are jealous of BB can all bask in their creepy hatred of the greatest GM and coach in sports history.

    Here is a direct quote from an unnamed coach: “He was difficult to get ‘ready” all year”

    You know what this means? This means MENTALLY. That’s what it means.

    His contract “will be a problem all year”. That’s another one.

    But, NE did not lowball him at all and tried beg someone to take hima as an RFA. I am sure the Saints choked on their coffees when he went down there all butthurt like a 28 year old baby, and demanded an obsecene contract from a team in cap hell and Brees due. It’s hialrious to me that this guy thought he was MIke Haynes, yet if it wasn’t for Ernie Adams and BB, he doesn’t know to make that play in SB 49. IN other words, BB made Butler’s career. It’s just that Butler didn’t get this. Sure, his hardwork is the other half of it, but where’s Butler’s loyalty? Hmm?

    Why is it BB’s fault or responsbilisity to manage an apparent exploding ego tied to the pereception of not enough money?

    Chris Harris is more than fair for a nickelback.

    Good guy who lost his way and will regret doing what he did. As unnamed teammates said “he knows why he got benched””…..Not all the players agreed, but they understood.

    Always go to the source. That source is Malcom Butler’s ego.

  19. “Just like a slave master would not let slaves learn to read. Same mentality.”

    Uh, no. Demanding excellence from players getting paid millions of dollars by pointing out mistakes they made on field is called “coaching”. It helps the player do something called “improve his play”.

    The mentality of “coaching” has nothing to do with the mentality of “slavery”.

    If your ego is so fragile that you consider criticism from your boss somehow makes you a “slave” you either have very little experience in the real world, where bosses criticize people all the time, or you must have an awful time at work.

  20. .
    It’s a weird situation in New England where, because of their track record of success, seldom is heard a discouraging word from the fans, media or even talk radio. Belichick offsets that anomaly..

  21. mcnabbster says:
    July 24, 2018 at 7:02 am

    Just like a slave master would not let slaves learn to read. Same mentality
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    You’re a moron. Same mentatlity.

  22. Two years ago he was quoted as saying he doesn’t want to coach players he doesn’t like anymore- and I think you can see it in the team roster. he could have kept Jabaal Sheard for next to nothing, a guy who proved his worth during his tenure, and the type of guy that would have been a difference maker, but Bill never liked him. Same with Ealy last year=- it was an attitude thing from day 1, and cutting him gained the team nothing. And one of the glaring examples of this is the Jamie Collins trade- a guy who was your best, or second best defensive player. Bill traded Chandler Jones to presumably get cap space for Collins, then inexplicably trade him. Weird- especially since Hightower has never been able to play a full season.

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    You simply have to be a Millennial that listens to Felger and Mazz. I am going to take a HOF coaches’ eye for quality of player over yours or any rube on the radio.

    Sheard was under-peforming as was Branch this past year. Sheard responded well and NE won a SB. So, Sheard responded to the coaching. Some guys do, some don’t. I don’t want my coach pandering to shortsighted Millennials, thanks very much.

    It’s people like you as to why other fans hate Pats fans. The arrogance and entitlement that we should watch the team win a SB literally every year. Do you know clinical you need to be to expect that?

    Hightower was CLEARLY the choice. He was instrumental in two SB wins, plays the Bruchsi role which carries enormous responsibility and is the captain of that defense. The Collins thing did come out of nowhere, but at 13 mil per, you may need to get to a community college thinking he could have paid all 3 guys. I was expecting Hightower/Collins and Jones to be dealt, the latter the easy choice due to his overrated status, bad decisions and the fact his family are selfish money grabbers. His brother once left the Ravens and openly chose to play for the embarrassing COlts, all for the most money. Once I saw that, I knew BB could never keep Chandler Jones.

    This is all because NE loses in a SB by a TD, and the media ignores the fact Goodell openly cheated the Patriots.

    Those were 100% factually not TDs by NFL rule. Fact.

  23. Dan Muston says:
    July 24, 2018 at 9:18 am
    And in this clip, you see me benching Butler for the game.

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    What about the clip of Butler crying like Spaulding Smales at the hotdog stand? Does that look like someone rwady to play a SB?

    LMAO

    You Millennials are mortifying.

  24. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    July 24, 2018 at 9:02 am

    No way would I take a cheater like Belichick. Selling your soul for Super Bowl trophies. No way. It’s like the rich ruthless guy that cheated his way to being rich. I’d rather have a good conscious than trade for wins or money.
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    But first, you’d rather have a lesson on how to string together a coherent sentence.

  25. Young players learn that participants do not get ribbons. That’s a shocker these days in time.

  26. Bill Belichick is definitely a very intelligent and astute coach.
    With his attitude and no-nonsense approach, it’s quite obvious he’s cribbed much of his coaching style from Lombardi.

  27. TB12 has been the best “system” quarterback in the history of the NFL, thanks to Belicic (Croatian spelling) — and they both have five (5) SB rings to prove it — read it and weep! — I am not even a Patriots fan, but give credit where credit is due.

  28. remizak says:
    July 24, 2018 at 9:20 am
    Tom always said he wanted to be coached and not to treat him gently. He also recognizes that it benefits the team to see that nobody is above criticism. His ability to take the criticism also shows them that you leave your own ego at the door and focus on doing your job within the team.

    When I’ve watched some footage of BB talking to the team, I’ve noticed that his criticism usually focuses on things that the player should have done as a result of practice and preparation. He doesn’t yell at a guy for a bad result, it will always be because of not being in the right position or something along those lines.

    As far as BB’s own ego goes, he’s plenty hard on himself. When the team does well, he gives all the credit to the players. When the team doesn’t do well, he makes sure to talk about failures in coaching as well as execution. And don’t forget that what he says to the media is different from what’s said to the team in private. He never throws a guy under the bus in public or even much comments on individuals. He saves individual criticism for inside the team only. Guys can feel that no matter how tough the critique is, they’re not going to be shamed in public.

    Man, do I ever remember that Jets playoff game. It was a cold but clear night and it was so tough to watch I kept putting on my coat and boots to walk around the house. I couldn’t help peeking in the window, but then I’d just have to go around again.

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    Exactly. It’s amazing to me the lies told about BB just to paint a picture the media wants to paint to generate clicks.

    That book about BB, yes another, comes out this Sept. I am looking forward to reading more about the greatest who ever lived. The Lombardi book about the cap/teambuilding should be fascinating, too.

    I am speechless with BB’s brilliance and managing Millennials today has got to be incredibly difficult, too.

    We all know, because we all have to work with them now. lmao

  29. in other words, it’s the same kind of work environment most of us older people grew up in. you were expected to do your job right the first time.

    my first full time job was working directly under a retired colonel. his version of saying ‘great job’ was: “i don’t see anything wrong”. Doing the job right wasn’t something that was celebrated, it was expected. Although my coworkers and I used to crack a lot jokes (see Hogans Heroes), I know that my best work skills and habits can be attributed to working under this man.

  30. ikeclanton says:
    July 24, 2018 at 8:17 am
    One of the best qualities Belichick has is his willingness to give it to Brady like anyone else on the team. In that vein, one of the best qualities that Brady possesses is that he is not an uncoachable diva. He’s accountable like anyone else, and his teammates see how he responds to that. This one-of-a-kind relationship has been the reason for the sustained excellence of this team as the roster has turned over many times.

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    I also think the act of drafting Garoppolo lit a fire under Brady. I was one of the lone Pats diehards that was annoyed by Brady’s postseasons from 2007-2012.

    Everyone was dodging the elephant in the room, which was his lack of fire even at any sign of adversity.

    He’d throw 2 or 3 INTs in conf title game, the D wouldn’t bail he and the offense out, and the D would get blamed for allowing 19 points or something.

    LMAO

    Unbelievable. Brady is the GOAT, but he is not perfect. Good grief, how hard is it to admit that? Apparently, VERY hard.

  31. Amazing how BB keeps winning when he doesn’t have the best talent. Can you imagine if he had top notch players what he would do? His coaching always seems to get his players to over achieve.

  32. Belicheat has managed to put up wins with a combination of cheating and rule bending. The good news is that karma usually catches up with him with a major embarrassment in the Superbowl thanks to the Giants and now the Eagles. Waiting for the Redskins and the Cowboys to clean his clock so he poops his pants whenever the NFC East comes to town.

  33. artvan15 says:
    July 24, 2018 at 10:00 am
    Amazing how BB keeps winning when he doesn’t have the best talent. Can you imagine if he had top notch players what he would do? His coaching always seems to get his players to over achieve.

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    Exactly. I mean, they draft 30-32 every year and have a cheating commissioner stealing draft picks off of insanely comical framejobs that idiots believe, and still look at the results.

    We see them win SB 46 and SB 52, if Goodell didn’t cheat with the framejobs. Our team should have had our 1st rd picks on the field in those games.

  34. takeyourpunishmentandquitwhininglikeababy says:
    July 24, 2018 at 10:05 am
    Belicheat has managed to put up wins with a combination of cheating and rule bending. The good news is that karma usually catches up with him with a major embarrassment in the Superbowl thanks to the Giants and now the Eagles. Waiting for the Redskins and the Cowboys to clean his clock so he poops his pants whenever the NFC East comes to town.

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    Just make a phone call into 345 Park Ave and discuss new, creative stories to make up to frame the Pats for this supposed “cheating”, and maybe it will happen?

    Night night, cheater fan of another team:

    2010:
    Bill Cowher: “You know, let me just say this: To answer your question, no, I don’t think so (it’s not an advantage for one team over another).
    I just know as a head coach, you are always looking for a competitive edge. We had people out there trying to look at signals. We had guys go to games. They would tape the signal caller and also write it down. They would take it back and match up the signals with the game film and certain defenses with certain plays that were being called, particularly the defenses being called, to see if we could come up with some kind of an alert for a signal. So, what they did with videotaping the signal caller, people do it with the people in the stands!!
    These people sitting there in the stands, looking at the signal, writing it down and matching up the 1st and 10 signal. Ok? Then you go back again and the 2nd and 10 and here’s the signal. You do that for a whole game.
    You then go back and match up the defenses with the signal. And you can come up with what the signal was.
    So, you don;’t need a video tape with what they were talking about doing. And people were doing it. WE were doing that. Everybody does that. You’re TRYING to gain a competitive edge. There is nothing wrong with that.
    That’s why baseball players go through the mirage of signals. They’ve got all these different codes. That’s part of the competitive spirit of the game. I think it’s totally overblown. I think if you get caught (signals compromised), then do what we did and go to wristbands, you are worried about it. We started putting defenses on wristbands. Then you find a way to not get caught (signals compromised). When your good at something and people try steal from ya, I think it’s flattering.”

  35. tylawspick6 says:

    You Millennials are mortifying.
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    You have some weird, aggressive take on people. This is a fan comment board, and as such anybody has the right to comment. For the record, I’m 74 years old, and I can assure you plenty of generations have screwed things up royally.

  36. tylawspick6 says:

    Here is a direct quote from an unnamed coach: “He was difficult to get ‘ready” all year”

    As unnamed teammates said “he knows why he got benched””…..Not all the players agreed, but they understood.
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    Uhh- i don’t need “unnamed” coaches and teamates- I can NAME people who thought Butler should play- Brady, Amendola,Gronk, and James Harrison just to name a few. And the PFW guys, who are closer to the team than just about any media said that Mcourtey, Harmon, and Chung were visibly pi*sed coming into the locker room that Butler didn’t get in at all.

    Matt Patricia, after leaving the Pats, danced all around while Butler didn’t play, and then proceeded to praise Butler profusely, going on and on what a good player he was and how he thought of him as a son.

    James Harrison said all of the negative stories about Butler post Superbowl were absolutely not true.

    Butler crying? If he plays, he wouldn’t have got upset, what does that have to do with anything? It was his last game as a Pat

    To say Butler “faked” the flu is reprehensible. He had the flu, it was documented, he went to the hospital with it, and flew separately to the SB which is standard procedure with the Pats for sick players.

    If Butler was so bad, WHY ON EARTH was he allowed to dress for the game, wasting a roster spot. richards, Johnson and Bademosi are worse than Butler- it’s not even close, and doubtful 1 even makes the team this year.

    if Butler is so bad, why did he play nearly every snap all year. Why on earth didn’t Bill bench him well before that- instead you leave it for the Last, most important game of the season?

    Not starting Butler is one thing, but there is no defensible arguement for him not getting in at some point in the second half, and you are just coming up with one specious arguement after another.

    I love Bill, but it cannot be denied he has been making increasingly mercurial coaching decision the last 4-5 years.

  37. nflfan12blog says:
    July 24, 2018 at 11:09 am
    tylawspick6 says:

    You Millennials are mortifying.
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    You have some weird, aggressive take on people. This is a fan comment board, and as such anybody has the right to comment. For the record, I’m 74 years old, and I can assure you plenty of generations have screwed things up royally.

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    Then stop sounding like a complete moron or naive Millennial. The fact you typed what you did above is mortifying for you as a 74 year old.

    Sounding like a Millennial at 74 is not good. And, no, the Greatest Gen is/was great, the Boomers screwed this country up badly with bigotry and greed, and here we are, with Gen X trying to fix it.

    None of that has anything to do with the sensitive sally, entitled, naive and arrogant Millennials unwilling to pay dues or learn from others who know more than they do.

  38. nflfan12blog says:
    July 24, 2018 at 11:09 am
    tylawspick6 says:

    You Millennials are mortifying.
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    You have some weird, aggressive take on people. This is a fan comment board, and as such anybody has the right to comment. For the record, I’m 74 years old, and I can assure you plenty of generations have screwed things up royally.

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    Listen to yourself.

    Give me a lot more of these “Merecurial” decisions as they head to their 9th straight conf title game this year. Read that again if you need to.

    The only thing derailing them is cheating Goodell and injuries, yet when they don’t get luck to win a SB every other year, you turn to Felger and Mazz and believe their brainwashing garbage.

    I go by facts.

    I don’t care if his teammates liked Butler. I like Butler. Everyone liked Butler. It’s not a personal thing, but Butler himself made it personal by taking his contract delusions to the field, which factually hampered his play and affected the team. The stats are the stats. He shut down mentally and was up and down all year. That’s on him.

    The reaosn why he wasn’t benched earlier is they probably thought he’d snap out of it and BB very much values STs, so Jon Jones was not going to get promoted due to his STs value and importance. Obviously, Butler did not snap out of it and had a terrible divisional rd and afc title game. Do you even watch the games? He got completely trucked on that run play and basically got up whining becuase he got blocked and he gave a half effort. In fact, he was showing up his teammates all year with the arms outstretched, and visibly blaming Gilmore, where some of our dumb fans thought it was Gilmore. It all makes sense now, doesn’t it?

    Almost every single primadonna type player that wanted an extra 1-2 million per year, that left and went to a crappier situation, always came back and admitted they handled it wrong. They could have stayed and made 1-2 milllion in endorsement money in the Boston market, for example, but they chose money

    I don’t care if it was Milloy, Law, Samuel, or Deion Branch. They’ll came crawling back and said they should have handled themselves better and were not thinking clearly at the time, even if Law knew exactly what he was doing.

    I don’t believe my HOF GM and Coach should ever should let a cancer fester. it’s clear they tried to keep that in-house and not let it be an issue, but Butler let it be an issue.

    And, you’re lying about Butler’s teammates being angry about him not playing. One or more of his secondary teammates said he knew why he wasn’t playing and that was easily understood as to why.

    And, yes, I don’t buy he was the only guy on the team to get the flu. You also don’t go to a hospital over it, wasting tax payers dollars. He certainly had enough energy to mouth off at coaches during practice that week after clearing out that locker, didn’t he?

    What’s reprehensible and unforgiveable, just like with Bill Parcells leaving SB 31 on a different plane for the Jets, and that selfishness, is just that………SELFISHNESS.

    All hail BB, the best leader in pro sports history for not allowing any one player to be above the team.

    Shame on you for being an entitled, arrogant and ungrateful fan.

    The mental instability of Malcom Butler is a HUGE concern and should be for the Titans moving forward. At 30 mil guaranteed for a 29 year old CB, with all eyes on him, going to a worse team…….Watch out.

    BB will be right again.

  39. Belichick has his share of low lights. Benching the Butler for no reason in the last SB has got to be one of lowest low lights of all time.

  40. With Bill Belicheck it’s simple. No one is above the team, do your job and stay humble while doing it. Give all you’ve got and strive to get better everyday.

  41. tylawspick6 says:

    ‘Do you even watch the games? He got completely trucked on that run play and basically got up whining becuase he got blocked and he gave a half effort’

    For sure Butler had a down year- but by your logic Bill was right by waiting for the last game of the year, and then benching him for players that are worse/inferior to him? And then when those marginal players weren’t performing you don’t at least give the guy you relied on all year a chance? Preposterous. Bill didn’t even allow Butler to be put in as a substitute for a play or two to rest the other guys.

    You keep bringing up Butlers contract- that has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER (caps for emphasis not yelling) on the last game of the year, last game as a Patriot. if it affected him during the year, move on from him, just like Bill does with every other player during the year, not the SB.

    Again Why waste a roster spot?

    “And, you’re lying about Butler’s teammates being angry about him not playing. One or more of his secondary teammates said he knew why he wasn’t playing and that was easily understood as to why.”

    Well, tell that to the PFW guys because that is what they reported.

    The “teamate’ that was quoted as saying he knew he was being bench wasn’t a teamate at all- it was Logan Ryan.
    Mcourtey talked about the benching several weeks after the Superbowl in a wierd, non direct hemming and hawwing way- the PFW guys are as accurate as any other quote.

    “I don’t care if his teammates liked Butler. ”

    He teamates just didn’t say they liked Butler, they said he thought he should have played- Brady, Amendola, Harrison etc.- those are real people, not “unnamed” sources.

    ” You also don’t go to a hospital over it, wasting tax payers dollars. He certainly had enough energy to mouth off at coaches during practice that week after clearing out that locker, didn’t he?’

    You don’t go to the hospital over the Flu? Wasting tax payers dollars? How so? What on earth are you talking about.

    James Harrison just said, that all of those post SB rumors about Malcolm were absolutely NOT TRUE. He’s not a Pat, he’s not even a player anymore- what would he gain by saying this?

    “What’s reprehensible and unforgiveable, just like with Bill Parcells leaving SB 31 on a different plane for the Jets, and that selfishness, is just that………SELFISHNESS.”

    It has been the Patriots STANDARD PROCEDURE for several years now that sick, communicable players fly separately. “Selfishness”- he was following Bellichiks rules there.

    “Shame on you for being an entitled, arrogant and ungrateful fan.”- ????

    When logic fails go for personal attacks? It’s a discussion board for crying out loud. So, well Discuss, you don’t have to make everything personal and attack when your arguments don’t hold up to the light of logic. Come to think of it, ironically, that’s exactly what “Snowflake Millenials” do!

  42. nflfan12blog says:
    July 24, 2018 at 1:22 pm
    tylawspick6 says:

    ‘Do you even watch the games? He got completely trucked on that run play and basically got up whining becuase he got blocked and he gave a half effort’

    For sure Butler had a down year- but by your logic Bill was right by waiting for the last game of the year, and then benching him for players that are worse/inferior to him? And then when those marginal players weren’t performing you don’t at least give the guy you relied on all year a chance? Preposterous. Bill didn’t even allow Butler to be put in as a substitute for a play or two to rest the other guys.

    You keep bringing up Butlers contract- that has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER (caps for emphasis not yelling) on the last game of the year, last game as a Patriot. if it affected him during the year, move on from him, just like Bill does with every other player during the year, not the SB.

    Again Why waste a roster spot?

    “And, you’re lying about Butler’s teammates being angry about him not playing. One or more of his secondary teammates said he knew why he wasn’t playing and that was easily understood as to why.”

    Well, tell that to the PFW guys because that is what they reported.

    The “teamate’ that was quoted as saying he knew he was being bench wasn’t a teamate at all- it was Logan Ryan.
    Mcourtey talked about the benching several weeks after the Superbowl in a wierd, non direct hemming and hawwing way- the PFW guys are as accurate as any other quote.

    “I don’t care if his teammates liked Butler. ”

    He teamates just didn’t say they liked Butler, they said he thought he should have played- Brady, Amendola, Harrison etc.- those are real people, not “unnamed” sources.

    ” You also don’t go to a hospital over it, wasting tax payers dollars. He certainly had enough energy to mouth off at coaches during practice that week after clearing out that locker, didn’t he?’

    You don’t go to the hospital over the Flu? Wasting tax payers dollars? How so? What on earth are you talking about.

    James Harrison just said, that all of those post SB rumors about Malcolm were absolutely NOT TRUE. He’s not a Pat, he’s not even a player anymore- what would he gain by saying this?

    “What’s reprehensible and unforgiveable, just like with Bill Parcells leaving SB 31 on a different plane for the Jets, and that selfishness, is just that………SELFISHNESS.”

    It has been the Patriots STANDARD PROCEDURE for several years now that sick, communicable players fly separately. “Selfishness”- he was following Bellichiks rules there.

    “Shame on you for being an entitled, arrogant and ungrateful fan.”- ????

    When logic fails go for personal attacks? It’s a discussion board for crying out loud. So, well Discuss, you don’t have to make everything personal and attack when your arguments don’t hold up to the light of logic. Come to think of it, ironically, that’s exactly what “Snowflake Millenials” do!

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    Go read Mike Giardi’s Twitter feed. Did you see Patricia and Quinn even faking interest in signing Butler?

    I just told you. Jon Jones got hurt late in the year, and if he hadn’t, Butler may NOT have dressed after cleaning out his locker and doing all that crap on top of a poor season (for his standards).

    The Pats and BB did nothing wrong. They were likely shocked a nickelback turned down 8 mil per, which is more than generous, and that Butler didn’t quite get it yet when he got back from his RFA visit to New Orlenas, which was HIGHLY LIKELY a favor that Payton did for BB, since NOs is in a cap hell.

    Your only argument is that he was just dressed and then didn’t play, but would you honestly trust a grown man who cried who was simply told that they are not going small nickel to open the game?

    Really? And, you’re 74 years old, huh?

    No one is above the team or indirectly sabotaging the team’s chances in winning. Putting a non-focused struggling player who has mentally checked out is not some elixir to stop Goodell from cheating the team from TDs that clearly were not legal TDs either.

    A little tired of this. NE has to beat Goodell and the refs, alonside the other team. They failed to do this by a TD, and your ungrateful behind just tunes into Felger and Mazz everyday repeating the same canned and sensationalized garbage thinking it’s truth, when it clearly is not the reality.

    And yes, I don’t believe he magically was the only one to get the flu. And, humans don’t go to a hospital to treat a flu either. Clearing out the locker and talking about getting paid was the capper for me. Absolutelu disgusting, regardless of his SB 49 great play that he WAS COACHED UP TO DO.

    And Amendola and his butt hurt self can eat it, too. He is getting 8.25 untaxed dollars and now the reality of a 4-12 season is setting in, so he’s running his mouth.

    I don’t care what Brady, Amendola or feaking James Harrison’s opinion is. The truth and facts don’t lie and Butler was selfish. Period.

  43. You keep bringing up Butlers contract- that has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER (caps for emphasis not yelling) on the last game of the year, last game as a Patriot. if it affected him during the year, move on from him, just like Bill does with every other player during the year, not the SB.

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    This might be the dumbest statement tied to this topic, that I’ve ever read since February.

    So, he went from a 78 passer rating aaginst in 2016 to 103 in 2017, just by accident? It’s not tied to 1st rd pick FA Gilmore being signed AFTER Butler rejected a vert generous 8 mil per as a nickelback because his moronic half baked GED agent in Alabama had never negotiated aN NFL deal before and told him he was the next MIke Haynes thinking his client deserved 12-14 per year?

    Because THAT has EVERYTHING to do with what Malcolm Butler did putting himself above the team. EVERYTHING

  44. tylawspick6 says:

    ‘And, humans don’t go to a hospital to treat a flu either.”

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    Please elaborate, because America wants to know as to why “humans don’t go to the hospital for the flu”, and also exactly how Butler was “wasting taxpayers money” by doing so as you said? Answer that one question and i might see your other comments/rants in a different light.

    That about sums up the quality of your posts.

    Never rebutt an actual fact, never respond to sincere and actual questions about your opinions, discount people who were ACTUALLY there, and then bring up Amendola etc. as an ingrate? For the sole reason he said Butler should have played.

    I’ve never heard anything Felger and Maz have ever said- not sure why you keep bringing them up.

    Again, Butlers contract has no bearing on the Superbowl non playing. It may have, and likely did affect his season, particularly early on- I think he may have even said that himself- but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t get in the Superbowl, even if just a few plays as a substitute. particularly when the players you put in performed as badly as possible. to say otherwise is indefensible.

    Still don’t understand your Butler crying comment. if he didn’t find out 10 minutes before the game he wasn’t starting he wouldn’t have been that upset. Its a chicken and egg thing and really supports nothing.

  45. Malcolm Butler was benched in WEEK TWO of the season for Eric Rowe.

    Eric Rowe injured himself in WEEK TWO, then reinjured himself later when he came back too soon.

    Malcolm Butler played 98% of snaps only because Rowe was hurt for a large part of the season.

    Rowe was brought back slowly after he reinjured himself.

    If Rowe had been healthy, Malcolm might have sat out SEVERAL games during the season.

    Butler is short, and struggles to cover tall receivers (even when he is not having an off year).

    Eagles outside receivers are tall, Jeffery is 6’3″, 5″ taller than Butler. FIVE. INCHES. TALLER. Jeffery caught only 3 passes in the Super Bowl – it’s plausible that number might have tripled if Butler were covering him.

    Rowe is 6’1″, and covered 6’3″ Julio Jones in the previous Falcons Super Bowl.

    In the Falcons Super Bowl, Malcolm covered Taylor Gabriel. Gabriel is 5’8″ tall.

    The Eagles Nelson Agholor is 6’0″ tall,

    Eagles #4 wide reciever Mack Hollins is 6’4″, he played 23% of snaps.

    Eagles subbed in multiple tight ends on many plays in the Super Bowl. Their second and Third TEs had 32% and 23% snap counts each.

    Patriots played a lot of Big Nickel with Chung covering the slot/TE. Malcolm would have been an outside corner in that scheme.

    See height mismatches above for why he didn’t get on the field.

  46. truthinesshurts says:
    July 25, 2018 at 6:54 am

    Malcolm Butler was benched in WEEK TWO of the season for Eric Rowe.

    Eric Rowe injured himself in WEEK TWO, then reinjured himself later when he came back too soon.

    Malcolm Butler played 98% of snaps only because Rowe was hurt for a large part of the season

    If Rowe had been healthy, Malcolm might have sat out SEVERAL games during the season.

    Butler is short, and struggles to cover tall receivers (even when he is not having an off year).

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    I guess I would completely disagree with you.

    Rowe wasn’t hurt most of the season.

    Butler wasn’t “benched” early on because Rowe is better, it’s because of some early season “contract hurt/feelings attitude” type problems with Butler- something bill has done with a ton of guys.

    If what you said was true- then why was Butler dressed for the game? You simply do not waste a roster spot in the SB. If the thought is in case of injury, then why didn’t he get at least a few snaps in relief as a substitute? That’s standard procedure on the Pats, and every team in the NFL

    Bill screwed up in having Rowe cover Jeffries. The reason why Jeffries only had 3 catches is because they put Gilmore on him the rest of the game. One of those throws Jeffries caught was a TD on Rowe.

    Anyway, it wasn’t Rowe playing for Butler in the SB so much as Bill forcing Chung out of his usual spot, and Bill giving us the Richards, Johnson, and Bademosi experience. Not one of those guys is on par with Butler, really special teams/practice squad guys.

    Bill played the entire second half with a 6 defensive back set- because Bademosi et al couldn’t stop ANYTHING at all- they ran and threw the ball that way all day once they realized No Butler. Butler is a better run tackler than any other guy in the secondary except Chung.

    Your height theory doesn’t hold water- Butler is 5’11”- Chung is 5’10”- the tallest replacement for Butler is 6′- it has nothing to do with height. Yes Rowe is tall, but it was not a direct swap for Rowe/Butler.

    Butler had a down year for sure, and I give some credence to your points as to why Butler didn’t start the game. But it simply doesn’t answer why he wasn’t at least put in at some point- They simply had nothing to lose- it was an embarrassment of a Defense.

    None of what I said should be seen as sour grapes towards the great Eagles win, or Bellichik for that matter, and of course it may have been the same results with Butler in, but Bill didn’t put the best team out there that he could.

  47. vaphinfan says:

    July 24, 2018 at 6:45 am

    Just another coach who was fired with the Browns after having the worst winning percentage in the history of the Browns organization at that point. Some could say he was the beginning of the downfall for the Browns. Good job Bill.
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    You mean the Browns team that turned into the 2000 Champion Ravens. lol

  48. Rowe played in 8 regular season games, and in two of those he went down injured, so he missed a “large part” of the season as I said. I did NOT say he missed “most of” the season. The point is that Malcolm would absolutely NOT have played 98% of snaps if Rowe had been healthy. So if he had played only 75% would everyone be as upset? How about 50%?

    Butler was benched for Rowe in Game 2. You can phrase it “Rowe stàrted in his place”, but he had moved ahead of Butler at outside corner on the depth chart that week. Butler still played in the game in sub packages before Rowe was injured (as well as after), so he wasn’t being disciplined as you inferred. Notably, Butler played outside corner and Rowe moved to the slot in that sub defense against New Orleans. Some teams can take advantage of small nickel/slot corners – foreshadowing the Eagles…

    Why dress Malcolm if he didn’t play? Matt Patricia said they had him slated for potential use in certain packages that they didn’t end up using. Maybe because the Eagles continued to use their bigger WRs and Tight End packages that the Pats felt they needed to match with the Big Nickel, 4-3, or Big Dime.

    Rowe gave up two catches to Jeffery. Gilmore (and others nearby) gave up one. Rowe had excellent coverage of Jeffery on the TD, but the ball was perfectly thrown, like many others that day from Foles. To think Malcolm would have had better coverage of a ball thrown past Rowe’s longer reach…Malcolm (although he is 5’11 not 5’10” as you correctly noted) does not cover tall guys well – see Jets 6’3″ Eric Decker torching him for example.

    Chung, who is 5’11” not 5’10”, and also weighs 215 pounds, was not playing “out of , his usual spot”. Chung is part of the Pats Big Nickel package, which is pretty much their base defense – he is essentially their third linebacker. He doesn’t play safety in place of Harmon or McCourty – they’re both out there with him, and he sometimes plays the slot as a consequence, especially against bigger opponents or where there’s the risk of a run coming into the slot area where taking on the blockers is important.

    They went with the Big Dime at times with hybrid Safety/LBs Richards (210 Lbs), Bademosi (6’0″ 205 Lbs) et al to provide the best mix of run and pass defense. If Butler at 190 Lbs had subbed in at slot, the Eagles would have buried him with runs and gashed us for 5-10 yards per play running right at him. Yes he’s a scrappy tackler, but no, he’s not capable of taking on blockers who can physically dominate him – and that includes wide receivers (watch him get buried by WRs blocking him against the Jags in the AFCCG).

    I would guess your reaction is partly emotional – we all love Malcolm as the underdog hero, but when you step back and look at the cold hard facts, the handwriting was on the wall for Rowe to bypass him as early as Week Two, and the Eagles were just a bad matchup for his talents of quickness and reaction skills where size and strength were what was needed. Unfortunately, the Elandon Roberts, Richards et al were not up to the task, but if Malcolm replaced them, the Eagles would have had an easier route to victory on the ground and with pitch and catch throws if/when he matched up against Alshon Jeffery. The Pats were doomed by the Eagles matchup problems and execution to the point of perfection on so many plays.

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