Maybe the Raiders should trade Khalil Mack

AP

On Monday’s PFT Live, former Jon Gruden pupil Chris Simms predicted that Gruden eventually will snap regarding the Khalil Mack holdout, insisting that the Raiders do whatever it takes to sign their best defensive player to a long-term deal, ending his holdout. While that may eventually happen, Gruden went in a different direction on Monday.

Gruden opted to suggest that Mack isn’t much of a difference maker because his presence didn’t make much of a difference last year on the team’s subpar defense. That likely won’t do much to mend fences between Mack and the Raiders.

The comments from Gruden come after defensive coordinator Paul Guenther, who previously called Mack a “centerpiece” of the defense, said that Mack has “a lot of catching up to do.” Gruden’s statements also follow his vow to fans that he’ll “find a way to get Khalil Mack back.”

So what’s really going on here? Some wonder whether the Raiders have the financial wherewithal to give Mack the contract he deserves, opting instead to string it out on a year-to-year arrangement. If the team can’t afford to give Mack the kind of guaranteed money necessary to sign him to a long-term deal, and if Gruden will be dealing with that reality by indirectly downplaying Mack’s value to the team, the Raiders should simply trade Mack to a team that can and will pay him what he’s worth.

And, yes, that same mindset also applies to the Rams and holdout defensive tackle Aaron Donald. However, no one is doubting owner Stan Kroenke’s ability to pay Donald. The question with the Rams is whether they want to pay him. For the Raiders, it’s fair to first wonder whether they can.

If that’s truly the impediment, it won’t matter when Gruden gets to the end of his rope and demands that Mack be paid. Which means that the best move would be to simply move Mack to a team that can and will pay him what he’s worth.

60 responses to “Maybe the Raiders should trade Khalil Mack

  1. Carr gets paid top dollar after a good game or two, and Mack is begging to be paid fairly. Hmmm. Carr is white and Mack is black. What could possible account for the difference in treatment?

  2. after Gruden’s behaviour with RG III and then Kirk Cousins, Mack would be a fool to give an inch on negotiations, especially now the infamous Gruden smear campaign has clearly become focused upon one of the handful of best defenders in the NFL;

    the Raiders have a long history of this kind of shaming;

    it was not that long ago they made a Super Bowl MVP play blocking fullback for Bo Jackson;

  3. Donald and Mack will be suited up week one. The extensions will happen. Deadlines spur action. Till then I will continue to be impressed and challenged by the speculation among the masses.

  4. Trade him to Buffalo where he went to college. Mack with Kyle William’s, Trent Murphy, Harrison Phillips, Tremaine Edmunds and our secondary would make us a top 5 defense for sure!

  5. dreemeagle
    Jul 30, 2018, 7:48 PM CDT
    after Gruden’s behaviour with RG III and then Kirk Cousins, Mack would be a fool to give an inch on negotiations, especially now the infamous Gruden smear campaign has clearly become focused upon one of the handful of best defenders in the NFL;

    the Raiders have a long history of this kind of shaming;

    it was not that long ago they made a Super Bowl MVP play blocking fullback for Bo Jackson;
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    Different Grudens and Bo was head and shoulders better than Marcus Allen

  6. briang123 says:
    July 30, 2018 at 8:42 pm
    Carr gets paid top dollar after a good game or two, and Mack is begging to be paid fairly. Hmmm. Carr is white and Mack is black. What could possible account for the difference in treatment?

    Aww look at the racist trying to race bait the most culturally diverse team in the NFL cute.

  7. It’s not a matter of wanting to pay him, it’s a matter of can they pay him. They only have a couple million dollars in additional cap spending left. It’s going to take a lot of moving pieces around and readjusting other players contracts in order to sign Mack to a lucrative contract right now. That’s what’s going on. Plus they have Coopers contract coming up next year and they just paid Carr to a massive deal. Mack is still under contract for the 2018 season so he will be back this year at some point. They might consider trading him but before they do that I promise you they will look at all viable financial options to try to make this contract work. I’m sure they’ve been trying to work on it every day behind closed doors.

  8. Kahlil Mac isn’t going anywhere, He is and will continue to be a Raider.Period…and for that moron who just had to play the race card once again. Get over yourself. You’re talking about an organization who was the first to hire a Latino, African-American head coach. This race card needs to stop.

  9. Kahlil Mack isn’t going anywhere, He is and will continue to be a Raider.Period…and for that individual who just had to play the race card once again. Get over yourself. You’re talking about an organization who was the first to hire a Latino, African-American head coach. This race card needs to stop

  10. ” Some wonder whether the Raiders have the financial wherewithal to give Mack the contract he deserves”

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    He “has” the contract he deserves! It’s called the one he signed that included this year as a club option year. If you think you might not like your deal down the line, then don’t sign it in the first place.

  11. I think Mack should be paid, but the Raiders hold all the cards. He is under contract. They really do not have to do anything and if he wants this year to count to become a free agent, or get franchised and make a ton next year, Mack has to show up at some point. The Raiders need to find a way to tie him up for the future, while still keeping this year at bargain basement prices, which was done IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT APPROVED BY THE WORST UNION IN SPORTS.

  12. Khalil Mack is a beast on a crappy defense, so is really a beast or a bright spot on a piece of turd? Donald doesn’t care about winning, he wants his money, those are the players you trade, 25% of the salary cap on one player who doesn’t catch, run or throw the ball. Maybe these teams saw the Saints and Ravens sink after successful/Super Bowl seasons being forced to give Brees/Flacco ridiculous contracts. Not a Patriots fan one bit, actually hate them but Bardy takes less token winning, yeah he has a supermodel wife with a boatload of money but he could easily demand himself a boatload of money deservingly, but he wants to win. do Mack and/or Donald want to win or just get paid?

  13. Bo was heads and shoulders better than M. Allen?
    Allen was a SB MVP, regular season MVP, hall of famer, three things Bo never was.

  14. How about this ménage à trois all within the same division…

    Aaron Donald goes to the Seahawks.
    Earl Thomas goes to the Raiders.
    Khalil Mack goes to the Rams.

    Seattle could benefit greatly from adding an elite DL.
    Oakland could benefit greatly from adding an elite Safety.
    Los Angeles could benefit greatly from adding an elite LB.

    A 3-way win for everyone. And think how much fun that story would be to watch unfold over the season!

  15. briang123 says:
    July 30, 2018 at 8:42 pm
    Carr gets paid top dollar after a good game or two, and Mack is begging to be paid fairly. Hmmm. Carr is white and Mack is black. What could possible account for the difference in treatment?

    Next you will say that Mack should contact Geragos right ?

  16. I swear. Sometimes Florio I don’t understand your mindset.
    Mack will be an Oakland Raider when the season starts.

  17. Oops, got ahead of myself there…somehow had my old AFC West hat on. Obviously Oakland is no longer in the same division as Seattle nor LA. But I still like the three-way trade possibility. Seems like a good fit for all three teams but of course how they can pay each of them is a different story.

  18. In cap hell with overpaid players everywhere, sometimes you have gone too far and cannot pat under the cap unless you are ELway cheating the cap voluntarily.

  19. Poor Las Vegas! This Gruden thing looks like it’s gonna be a smashing success.

    Just move, baby!

  20. clintjbaxter2016 says:
    July 30, 2018 at 8:58 pm
    dreemeagle
    Jul 30, 2018, 7:48 PM CDT
    after Gruden’s behaviour with RG III and then Kirk Cousins, Mack would be a fool to give an inch on negotiations, especially now the infamous Gruden smear campaign has clearly become focused upon one of the handful of best defenders in the NFL;

    the Raiders have a long history of this kind of shaming;

    it was not that long ago they made a Super Bowl MVP play blocking fullback for Bo Jackson;
    _____________
    Different Grudens and Bo was head and shoulders better than Marcus Allen
    =================================================================================

    I know right? I was like what Gruden was that? dum dum

  21. This black and white business is BS. If Gruden said that it was wrong , he needs to take the back seat and let Reggie handle it. Everybody knows this day would come after having some good drafts and it just happened with Khalil. Wouldn’t trade that man period, maybe cut ties with others to make it happen so Mack can stay where he belongs.

  22. Wait a second,how in the hell can a modern day NFL team with all this TV revenue not have enough money in the NFL socialist economic model? Is Davis spending it on hair care?

  23. So let’s see, a completely hypothetical story with no evidence whatsoever followed by a resolution for the made up story. C’mon Florio really? They don’t have to pay the guaranteed money up front and there is no reason to believe they couldn’t afford it anyway considering we just heard every NFL team walked away with a quarter of a billion dollars in shared profits last year.

    What’s happening is both Donald and Mack’s agents want to set a new high bar for their clients and the teams are saying no. As good as both of them are, they aren’t QB’s and the Rams and Raiders don’t want to pay them as such. They can tag them for the next two to three years and pay less than a long term contract would cost now.

  24. dreemeagle says:
    July 30, 2018 at 8:48 pm
    after Gruden’s behaviour with RG III and then Kirk Cousins, Mack would be a fool to give an inch on negotiations, especially now the infamous Gruden smear campaign has clearly become focused upon one of the handful of best defenders in the NFL;
    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    A little research and you would find out that the coach of the Redskins is Jay Gruden, NOT Jon. You probably shouldn’t be posting if you’re clueless.

  25. This take is hot garbage. Gruden speaks honestly about how poor the rest of the defense was last year despite the best player, and your take is to trade the best player. This is why I love the way Belichick deals with you guys; your ability to turn nothing into something rivals the great Barry Sanders.

  26. Raiders … The Jaguars on line 1

    We will trade Dante Fowler Jr for Mack and a pick … Pull the trigger. That already Top Rated Jags D will become even stronger with Mack. #SaxsonvilleAllDayLong

  27. briang123 says:
    July 30, 2018 at 8:42 pm
    Carr gets paid top dollar after a good game or two, and Mack is begging to be paid fairly. Hmmm. Carr is white and Mack is black. What could possible account for the difference in treatment?
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    BS. If you’re gonna play the race card, make sure you’re comparing apple to apples and that’s not what you have here as there’s more moving parts you’ve chosen to ignore for the easy, faulted argument…

    First, you’re comparing a DE, a position with a shorter shelf-life in the NFL to a franchise quarterback; so Gruden realizes committing that much coin to position that often falls off the cliff without warning is a big risk…

    Second, Gruden knows football and can look up and down that roster and realizes there are lots of holes on this roster; so why commit that much salary cap to one player when you can spread it out and improve the team that much faster via Free Agency…

    Third, player talent is tantamount to a team’s success, but the Head Coach has to be in charge and that’s what this is ultimately about. Mack is trying to force Gruden to come to him and that simply can happen if this team will ever have success…

    The best thing for the Raiders to do is to play him on a year-to-year contractual basis or move him to fill some of the holes on this roster and gain a few more picks…

  28. I’m afraid that Gruden with his massive ego just may go ahead and trade Mack. I hope that I’m wrong in this case but we’ll see.

    And IF there is a trade then anyone who believes that the compensation (especially if it’s draft picks) will be equal to arguably the best defense player in the league is delusional.

  29. love it !!!!! The dysfuncional raiders are always laughable. The Kansas City Chiefs still OWN the division, and will for the next decade as well. The raiders gave all their money to Mascara Carr, who is mediocre at best, while the Chiefs have a future HOFer in Mahomes

  30. Ladies and germs, your 2001 Oakland Raiders! Man didn’t have a losing record in 4 seasons there yet Al Davis traded him. Wonder why? Because when you talk crazy about the D not being good even with Khalil Mack, you see why ol Al pulled the trigger 17 seasons ago.

  31. Lifetime Ban For Kneelers says:

    July 31, 2018 at 6:11 am

    love it !!!!! The dysfuncional raiders are always laughable. The Kansas City Chiefs still OWN the division, and will for the next decade as well.

    ________

    You mean the same franchise that has only won one Super Bowl and it happened nearly 50 years ago? Gotcha. Real dominant.

  32. dreemeagle says:

    July 30, 2018 at 8:48 pm

    after Gruden’s behaviour with RG III and then Kirk Cousins, Mack would be a fool to give an inch on negotiations, especially now the infamous Gruden smear campaign has clearly become focused upon one of the handful of best defenders in the NFL;

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    Unbelievable you don’t know there are two Grudens in the NFL. One the coach of the Redskins, the other the coach of the Raiders.

  33. briang123 says:

    July 30, 2018 at 8:42 pm

    Carr gets paid top dollar after a good game or two, and Mack is begging to be paid fairly. Hmmm. Carr is white and Mack is black. What could possible account for the difference in treatment?

    ______

    1. The Raiders negotiated and Derek Carr agreed to an extension leading into the final year of his contract. Mack is now heading into his final year and the Raiders are trying to negotiate an extension.

    2. One is a quarterback, the other is a defensive lineman.

    Could these things possibly account for the difference? Indeed.

  34. briang123 says:

    July 30, 2018 at 8:42 pm

    Carr gets paid top dollar after a good game or two, and Mack is begging to be paid fairly. Hmmm. Carr is white and Mack is black. What could possible account for the difference in treatment?
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    Get a job and a life sir!

  35. campcouch says:

    July 31, 2018 at 7:03 am

    Ladies and germs, your 2001 Oakland Raiders! Man didn’t have a losing record in 4 seasons there yet Al Davis traded him. Wonder why? Because when you talk crazy about the D not being good even with Khalil Mack, you see why ol Al pulled the trigger 17 seasons ago.
    ———————-
    Al Davis hated sharing the spotlight. Read the Book ‘Al Davis: Behind the Raiders Shield’.

    He hated seeing billboard signs with Jon Gruden on them or the fact that Gruden was getting all that attention from People magazine.

  36. Let him play out his contract this year. Then franchise him the next 2 years and he’ll be 30 by then!

  37. i said the RAIDERS have a long history of shaming good players, NOT the Grudens;

    that means the Davis family, who hired Chucky;

    trying to camouflage your revisionist dislike of my pointing out the ugly warts of NFL history by a semantics and fallacious twisting of what i said only works for those who want to believe their already made up minds;

    Bo might’ve been a superior athlete, but Marcus Allen had the pedigree;

    EVERYONE knows why Al Davis told his head coach to play Allen only as a blocking fullback, which is on a par with yoking Secretariat to the Budweiser Clydesdales;

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