No contract talks between Raiders and Khalil Mack

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Raiders coach Jon Gruden and holdout defensive end Khalil Mack haven’t spoken. Which is fitting, because the Raiders and Mack’s camp haven’t done much speaking, either.

Specifically, the two sides have had no contract talks since February, according to Ian Rapoport of NFL Media.

It’s hardly an encouraging sign, especially in the aftermath of Gruden’s remarks that fairly could be viewed as a slap at Mack, even if Gruden didn’t intend them to be taken that way. (And if he didn’t intend them to be taken that way, Gruden should be trying to undo the potential damage by setting the record straight.)

Mack enters the final year of his rookie contract, with a fifth-year option salary of $13.846 million. By rule, he’s subject to fines of $30,000 per day (for players under the fifth-year option, the fines are lower than the standard $40,000), but he can be fined a regular-season game check (i.e., $814,470) for each preseason game he misses.

If the holdout lasts into the regular season, Mack will have to decide whether to show up before Week 10, which would give him credit for the final year of his contract, or to sit out the entire year. That would toll his contract, nudging his $13.846 million salary into 2019.

On Monday’s PFT Live, Chris Simms predicted that Gruden, for whom Simms played in Tampa, eventually will insist on the Raiders getting the team’s best player into camp. Gruden recently promised a gathering of fans that Mack, the NFL’s defensive player of the year for 2016, would indeed return.

60 responses to “No contract talks between Raiders and Khalil Mack

  1. Gruden is like an ambassador to a foreign country, it’s just a position. Appointed by an idiot. Well paid to talk the good talk.

  2. I love how Reggie Mackenzie wasn’t even mentioned once in this article. So enough with the nonsense and just make Gruden the GM already.

  3. Jon Gruden loves him some Jon Gruden. If he is not part of the story the story ain’t worth reading.

  4. This is a naked attempt by the media to spin a story out of nothing in order for the media to have more things to cover. Gruden said that the Raiders defense was terrible in 2017. It was. Gruden did not say that Mack was terrible or that the defense was terrible because of Mack. He didn’t “throw shade” at Mack, just stated the obvious truth that their defense was bad in 2017.

  5. He’s 27, and will be almost 28 at the end of the season.
    Tag him twice and let him walk when he’s 30.

    He’s a very good player but doesn’t have much leverage.
    How much is the cost of franchise tagging him twice?
    Use that as a basis of a 2-3 year extension.

  6. I think I’m underpaid at my job too, so I’m just not going in anymore until they take care of me….I’m fired, wait what?!

  7. Reggie made an offer in February. Mack turned it down and likely countered with a big number. They are staring each other down. Look for a deal to happen right before week one. Part of that deal will include no fines for preseason games. Deadlines spur action. Mack doesn’t need training camp. He likely already has the playbook. Nothing to see here folks….

  8. Trade him for three first round picks, three second round picks and five third round picks, he’s worth it

  9. He’ll make $13 million this year under contract. Then the Raiders will franchise him for 2 years and he’ll be 30 or close at that point! Perfection!

  10. Scipio_Africanus says:

    July 31, 2018 at 1:45 pm

    Reggie made an offer in February. Mack turned it down and likely countered with a big number. They are staring each other down. Look for a deal to happen right before week one. Part of that deal will include no fines for preseason games. Deadlines spur action. Mack doesn’t need training camp. He likely already has the playbook. Nothing to see here folks….
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    New Defensive Coordinator dude!

  11. There is a good reason for this and the same thing is happening with the Rams. Mack and Donald want to be paid well above the rate for their positions and the teams don’t want to do it. It would cost them less to tag them for 3 years beyond this season than what they are likely asking for in guarantees on a 5 year deal. I can’t blame the teams for their reluctance either because high paid defensive players don’t often result in wins and losses. Just look at Von Miller for a clear example of how a great pass rusher doesn’t really matter if you don’t have a QB. Mack is great but the defense sucked regardless of how good he was. It’s a team sport and the Raiders know they have to spread money around to make it better rather than giving a massive sum to one guy.

  12. bringbackkosar says:

    July 31, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    I think I’m underpaid at my job too, so I’m just not going in anymore until they take care of me….I’m fired, wait what?!

    ________________

    Well you could do that; if you brought a good amount of value to the company that you worked for, that your production to the company couldn’t easily be replaced, and you knew that if you was to be fired that you would have other company flocking to pay you close to what you’re asking for.

    Khalil Mack has all of that going in his favor and from the sounding of your post you don’t.

  13. Silver and black back to the joke of a franchise it has been, basically for 25 years…. tossing a few super bowl losses, 2 playoff losses to buffalo, and a record that’s arguably worse than even the Bills over 2 and a half decades. Oh sure you won a super bowl but that was the dark ages lol. We’re talking now, and I’d rather be a Bills fan

    Just lose baby !

  14. Get your money, Man! Stay away until they pay you your worth! If they can pay QBs stupid money, including backup clipboard holders, surely they can pay the people who risk the most with the possibility of getting CTE. It’s a business. And the billionaires can afford it. Get your money!!!

  15. ALL of the other 31 teams would love to have a dominant defender in his prime like Khalil Mack starting for them.

    NONE of the other 31 teams were interested in hiring a rusty mediocrity like Gruden as their HC at the time Son-of-Al tossed him that 100 mil. guaranteed.

    Those 2 facts say it all.

  16. No reason for contracts talks, mack is scheduled to make 13.8 million this year so he is already under contract

  17. He has more leverage than Aaron Donald who risks being a UFA if he holds out too long. Its a game of chicken and the clickbait-loving media is making a killing off of it.

  18. bringbackkosar says:
    July 31, 2018 at 1:44 pm
    I think I’m underpaid at my job too, so I’m just not going in anymore until they take care of me….I’m fired, wait what?!

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    Mack has a very unique and DESIRED!!!! skill set, I can guarantee you that if Mack was to walk out on this job 31 other teams would want him on their team and more then half of them would offer him what he wants

    if you decided to walk out on flipping burgers at one fast food chain, the other fast food chains will not pay you half of what you think you are worth

  19. LOVE what the raiders and seahawks are doin with the two malcontents. Gruden won’t even pick up the phone ! LOVE IT

  20. araidersfan says:
    July 31, 2018 at 3:17 pm
    ALL of the other 31 teams would love to have a dominant defender in his prime like Khalil Mack starting for them.
    NONE of the other 31 teams were interested in hiring a rusty mediocrity like Gruden as their HC at the time Son-of-Al tossed him that 100 mil. guaranteed.
    Those 2 facts say it all.

    GET A CLUE DUDE

    “Derek looks like a completely different person in my eyes, just from the way he’s attacking the game. From the way he’s attacking the challenges that Gruden has been giving to him,” said Cook. “Every time that Gruden asks him a question, he gets it right, no hesitation. Every time Gruden asks him to get up in front of a meeting room and call out a play, run a play, get to the right check, get to the right audible, he does it every time. That’s a responsibility that Derek never had last year. You see a totally different player out of him. He’s attacking the game differently mentally and he has a totally different attitude going in to this year.”
    If you have been watching Carr in practice all offseason and through the first week of training camp, this is not the least bit surprising. I have seen nothing but complete control of the offense from Carr. He is an extension of Gruden. He knows every play and where all of his guys are to be aligned. It’s really something. Then again, the mental side of football has never been an issue for Derek. He has been in NFL film rooms since he was 12 years old with his brother David having played in the league.
    “I can’t say enough about him,” Gruden said of Carr on the first day of camp. “He’s special, that’s all I’ll say. I’ll let him speak on that. I couldn’t be more pleased. I’ve worked with a lot of really great quarterbacks in the past, but this guy is as into football as any guy I’ve met. He is talented and smart.”

    RAIDER4LIFE

    Please no more fake Raider fans !!

    HA HA

  21. NinersFan1973 says:
    July 31, 2018 at 1:33 pm
    It’s hard to feel sorry for a team that is paying $10M a year for a coach that won’t take care of its best player.

    Pay the man.
    ——

    Aren’t you the same clown that, two days ago, thought the Rams wouldn’t give Aaron Donald $20M/yr and said “Pay. The. Man.” not knowing that they’d already offered him $21M/yr and he declined, wanting super star QB money?

    “The man” is being paid very well. $13M for a year of playing a kids game? Sounds good to me, I’d play for 1/13th of it.

  22. Since 2002, the Raiders have the third worst record in the NFL. THey have 1 playoff appearance, a loss, and no division titles during this time. The Raiders have one SB appearance since 1984 (2002) where they got dismantled by Gruden and Brad Johnson. With exception of their constant moves from city to city, the Raiders are largely irrelevant. Cool unis, though.

  23. silvernblackpride says:
    July 31, 2018 at 3:54 pm

    GET A CLUE DUDE

    RAIDER4LIFE

    Please no more fake Raider fans !!

    HA HA

    ======================

    The day I care about some ignorant Gruden-fanboys calling me a “fake Raider fan” will be…never.

  24. Reggie extended Carr last year. At that point, Carr was the highest paid player in NFL history.
    Now, Mack wants the distinction (if for only a short time, until Donald signs)
    It is fiscally impossible to have 2 of the highest paid players in history on your roster and still be able to afford a viable roster.
    It’s as if these guys don’t give a damn about the quality of their own roster. They want to be PAID.
    What the hell is wrong with $13M, bro?
    “Carr got paid $25M/per. This is racism”!
    (Takes a knee during the anthem. Raises the black-power fist of oppression)

  25. The way this story is being covered is just par for the course for anyone who follows the Raiders. Every single detail and speculation is always going to be the most negative, pessimistic take someone can possibly muster, simply because it’s the Raiders and that’s what people do. Frankly, if it means that he won’t have any chance to be injured I hope he sits out the entire pre-season and shows up ready to go for week one.

  26. raidernation210 says:
    July 31, 2018 at 3:23 pm
    No reason for contracts talks, mack is scheduled to make 13.8 million this year so he is already under contract
    ____________________________________________________
    So you are cool if he sits out until week 10?

  27. I love how Reggie Mackenzie wasn’t even mentioned once in this article. So enough with the nonsense and just make Gruden the GM already.
    __________________________________________________________
    Gruden is the GM. GOOO REGGGGIE has been moved to the laundry room where he folds towels.

  28. The team is starting to resemble its fanbase.

    Old, homeless, and no teeth.

    Keep Chuckie around forever please.

  29. 32assassin says:
    July 31, 2018 at 3:28 pm

    Mack has a very unique and DESIRED!!!! skill set, I can guarantee you that if Mack was to walk out on this job 31 other teams would want him on their team and more then half of them would offer him what he wants

    ********************************************************************************
    Two words Aaron Donald

    Winning teams can’t afford to over pay for that position.
    How did the Broncos do by paying Von Miller the big contract and being cheap on a QB … top 5 draft pick?

  30. The Raides are cashless and clueless. They havent even made an offer to Mack because they cant. They are hoping Mack shows up out of the goodness of his heart, plays out his 5th year, then they will tag him twice. That’s a hell of a way to treat one of the very best players in the NFL.

  31. Gruden doesn’t have to insist anybody, he’s the one who is making the calls, so it’s up to him basically, maybe he’s waiting for Donald’s deal to come up

  32. raideralex99 says:
    July 31, 2018 at 6:23 pm
    32assassin says:
    July 31, 2018 at 3:28 pm

    Mack has a very unique and DESIRED!!!! skill set, I can guarantee you that if Mack was to walk out on this job 31 other teams would want him on their team and more then half of them would offer him what he wants

    ********************************************************************************
    Two words Aaron Donald

    Winning teams can’t afford to over pay for that position.
    How did the Broncos do by paying Von Miller the big contract and being cheap on a QB … top 5 draft pick?

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    the Donkeys paid Miller AND Manning an they won 1 SB and lost another

    they had the 5th pick in the draft because they thought they could ride the D (pun intended) with their bottom of the barrel QBs

    everyone outside of Denver or their fan base could see that their QBs where going to be a train wreck for the 1017 season.

  33. Just because Mack played college in Buffalo doesn’t mean he wants to play there. He’s never said anything like that. He’s from florida but i don’t recall him ever saying he had a favorite team growing up or anything.

  34. I sure hope they sign him, he deserves the big money. I think with some of defensive players around him now, it’ll be harder to double and triple team him. His impact on the game has been tremendous, even with little help around him. I know they have a lot of holes to fill on defense especially, but you just don’t find players that can do what he does very often.

  35. Pretty clear both sides have decided to scrap even trying at this point. Everyone in the media of course will take Mack’s side because it’s in their best interest to do so, not because it’s the necessarily the right thing to do. ‘PAY THE MAN’ is all you hear and see. Media will always take the players side, mainly because it’s good for their business. They always want favoritism from the players if they can get it if they ever want access in an interview or be able to ask a question. And of course most fans only care about their favorite players side and not the business behind it so being biased feeds them too. But there are two sides to the equation, as usual.
    The reality is this was entirely planned probably 4 years ago. Mack hired Joel Segal as his agent. Anyone who does that knows that he is notorious for pushing teams to franchise tag their players. He’s done it with Trumaine Johnson and Justin Houston (we saw the insane contract he got, 6yrs $100M in 2015, he has been up and down ever since injury wise and certainly the Chiefs regret that deal).
    This tactic is what this guy does to extract the most money possible from a franchise and Mack is going to be his Golden Goose.
    Expect this conflict to not only linger through this year but into next year and even into 2020 as Segal probably has no intention of signing any contract unless it’s so astronomically high that it eclipses even Carr’s record breaking QB contract and it cripples the franchise for years to come. Segal couldn’t care less about that.
    KC was able to weather the Houston contract mainly b/c Alex Smith was on a relatively bargain contract and they were getting alot of production from the cheaper players. The Raiders don’t have that luxury. Carr’s contract is still top 5 and is only going to get more expensive as it plays out. If Mack gets the same money as he wants the team will have 20% (*or more) of their entire cap locked up into 2 players and that is simply not tenable. They also have huge contracts in place with their Oline : KO, Hudson, and Gabe Jackson.
    Despite what the media has reported, the Raiders have of course offered Mack an extension at some point in the past and his agent has clearly turned it down. Now they are playing ‘the game’ out to the end.
    Mack will holdout until the regular season, play out his 5th year, and this will start all over again next year as the Raiders will of course franchise tag him and the rhetoric will get even higher. Maybe at that point the Raiders will be able to offer something Mack will sign, or rather his agent with let him sign, but its doubtful. Mack will play on the franchise tag and then it will likely start all over again in 2020.
    Oh and btw, guess who Amari Cooper’s agent is? You guessed it, Joel Segal. So expect Amari to hold out next camp too. And the media to blast the Raiders every chance they get.
    It’s all just business in the end.

    This is spot on if all you nay-sayers can read this much

    HA HA

    RAIDERS TILL DA END
    JUST WIN BABY

  36. If Mack were in camp, he’d see that the young studs the Raiders drafted are going to be great NFL players. He could be a part of it. Arden Key and Maurice Hurst might be the two best defensive players on the team right now. Mack would be third best if he was man enough to show up. I don’t think the Raiders are breaking the bank for the third best defensive player on their team.

  37. The man” is being paid very well. $13M for a year of playing a kids game? Sounds good to me, I’d play for 1/13th of it.

    I love when people say that because it’s not true. You can say it now because your not in that position .if you were him you’d want a long term deal too and stop pretending you wouldn’t. And nobody would blame you

  38. I hope the Raiders don’t throw some outrages contract offer at this guy. I love the guy but damn , Gruden was right. The Defence is bad with him. He will probably hold out all of Pre- Season. I say make him play under his current contract then look into trading him next year.

  39. I have seen nothing but complete control of the offense from Carr. He is an extension of Gruden. He knows every play and where all of his guys are to be aligned. It’s really something.

    ………

    1) People have said similar things about Ryan Fitzpatrick and Trevor Siemian.

    2) Every veteran starting QB should have command of the playbook. The fact that “it’s really something” tells you something about the Raiders.

    3) Carr knowing the playbook doesn’t mean anything about how good a coach/pseudo GM Gruden is. His drafting was terrible in TB, can’t wait to see him sink the Vegas Silver Knights.

  40. cheek2vegas says:
    July 31, 2018 at 2:21 pm
    Silver and black back to the joke of a franchise it has been, basically for 25 years…. tossing a few super bowl losses, 2 playoff losses to buffalo, and a record that’s arguably worse than even the Bills over 2 and a half decades. Oh sure you won a super bowl but that was the dark ages lol. We’re talking now, and I’d rather be a Bills fan

    Just lose baby !

    Dark ages ? The Bills are the only team to win four consecutive conference championships and are the only NFL team to lose four consecutive Super Bowl games.

  41. NinersFan1973 says:
    July 31, 2018 at 1:33 pm
    It’s hard to feel sorry for a team that is paying $10M a year for a coach that won’t take care of its best player.
    _____________________________

    I don’t recall anyone asking you to feel sorry for the team.

  42. araidersfan says:

    July 31, 2018 at 3:17 pm

    ALL of the other 31 teams would love to have a dominant defender in his prime like Khalil Mack starting for them.

    NONE of the other 31 teams were interested in hiring a rusty mediocrity like Gruden as their HC at the time Son-of-Al tossed him that 100 mil. guaranteed.

    Those 2 facts say it all.
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    Dude you must be a fan from another AFC West team. smh

    You can’t afford to pay 2 guys 1/6 of the salary cap per year! There are 53 guys on a roster. Mack is under contract this year and then he’ll be franchised for 2 years next. Making $13 million, then like 16 million and then 19 million.

  43. @silvernblacksabbath

    “Dude you must be a fan from another AFC West team. smh ”

    Since you apparently having comprehension difficulties, I’ll repeat that I don’t care whatsoever when you and other Gruden fanboys slander my Raider fan credentials.

    “You can’t afford to pay 2 guys 1/6 of the salary cap per year! There are 53 guys on a roster. Mack is under contract this year and then he’ll be franchised for 2 years next. Making $13 million, then like 16 million and then 19 million.”

    The issue is one of cash-flow rather than salary cap. If Son-of-Al hadn’t wasted 100 mil. guaranteed on a complete mediocrity like Gruden then paying Mack wouldn’t be an issue. It also doesn’t help that the Raiders have salaries tied up in cancerous over-the-hill players like Lynch & Penn.

  44. the Franchise tag for DEs for 2018 is 17.77 M, see what Ziggy Ansah and DeMarcus Lawrance are making this year on the Tag.
    their tag for the 2019 season is current tag + 10%
    so Mack is pretty much guaranteed to make
    over 19M for 2919 (on the tag)
    over 19M + 10% M for 2020 (on the tag)

    if I’m the Raiders and I’m sure thats what they are going to do, is
    Let Mack sit out training camp
    he will report week one ( or lose 800K for each missed game)
    play the 2018 season
    and sign him to a long term contract after the 2018 season when their is over 40 M cap available.

  45. silvernblackpride says:
    August 2, 2018 at 9:27 am

    araidersfan is really achargersfan !!!

    REALLY!!!

    HA HA HA

    =============

    Nice try. And thanks for displaying your maturity level.

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