History suggest Seahawks won’t blink in Earl Thomas impasse

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Seahawks safety Earl Thomas has made it clear that he won’t be showing up in Seattle without a new deal, and that without a new deal he wants a trade to a new team. The Seahawks aren’t likely to budge.

As one league source recently explained it to PFT, Seahawks owner Paul Allen doesn’t get emotional or worried about the potential absence of a player who fails to show up while under contract. Three years ago, safety Kam Chancellor held out into the regular season in an effort to get a new deal, and the Seahawks didn’t blink.

Eventually, Chancellor showed up after missing a pair of regular-season games, with no new deal — and with no relief from the tens of thousands in fines he racked up while staying away from the team in violation of his contract. (Two years later, Chancellor received a new contract.)

The Seahawks aren’t expected to handle this case any differently, because Allen isn’t expected to react to the player’s absence any differently. They’ll wait for a trade offer that is deemed suitable for Thomas, or they’ll wait for Thomas.

At a base salary of $8.5 million, he’ll lose $500,000 for each regular-season game he skips. After missing two or three games without the Seahawks doing anything, he’ll have to decide whether to continue to watch his money disappear, a half-million dollars at a time. Eventually, he’ll need to decide whether to show up in time to get credit for the contract year, allowing himself to become a free agent in 2019.

It’s unknown what the Seahawks want in trade for Thomas, but the team realizes that, if he finishes his contract and leaves next year, his departure will count toward the team’s potential haul of compensatory draft picks.

That doesn’t mean Thomas shouldn’t try to get more. But if withholding services simply doesn’t move the needle for ownership, a holdout by a player under contract ultimately won’t work. And Thomas was there to see what happened when Chancellor tried to get more by staying away.

58 responses to “History suggest Seahawks won’t blink in Earl Thomas impasse

  1. Earl said is column today he has learned a lot while being a Seahawk. Guess he must not have learned anything from Kam’s holdout if he thinks his holdout will lead to a different outcome

  2. It’s almost like you’d have to be a complete idiot (or a Cowgirls fanboy) to not realize you’re making exactly the same mistake that your teammate and friend made within recent memory. ET has lost a lot of goodwill with the 12s.

  3. I don’t think he’s washed up. He’s getting old. The NFL is punishing in that respect. I wish they would have gotten something for him when teams were offering. I think that is at an impasse now. He’ll miss a few games and come back and then finish out his season with Seattle then test the free agency waters.

    Defensively, I’m not sure what to expect from the Seahawks this year.

  4. Thomas has a signed contract that was negotiated and agreed too by both parties. The threat to hold out is worthless. Thomas has zero leverage. Seahawks should let him sit. Refuse to negotiate and refuse to trade him. Or sign him then trade him immediately to Cleveland or Indianapolis.

    Once he starts missing his paychecks hell crumble and only confirm what everybody already knows. Hes an ass.

  5. Earl said is column today he has learned a lot while being a Seahawk. Guess he must not have learned anything from Kam’s holdout if he thinks his holdout will lead to a different outcome
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    The Seahawks response to Kam, and to Beastmode; we won’t negotiate unless you have a year left on your deal.

    And low and behold, ET is in the last year of his deal…

  6. He is learning the brutal side of this business.
    When its time to consider the needs of the organization vs the demands of a player, “class” goes out of the window. It’s just business.

  7. How often do you see a player near 30 in the last year of their contract and the team doesn’t extend them.
    This happens every year.
    The player should try to have a great year and get another contract with another team. Holding out won’t accomplish that.

  8. The position he plays is in a market freefall and he’s holding out telling Seattle he ‘deserves’ 14-15 per or trade him to a team that wants him?? I find this situation to be similar to the Kaep being led around on a leash by his girlfriend. Someone else is in Earl’s ear trying to get him to hold the losing line. His actual trade value is lining up to his pay value….the problem is Earl thinks he deserves 4-5 million more than it is. The Cowboys don’t even think he’s worth his asking price.

  9. Thomas is still good – that’s not the problem.

    The problem is whether an undersized safety who has missed games both of the last two seasons after having been bulletproof up until then, is finally reaching the end.

    As such, a guaranteed contract becomes dicey.

    It’s apparently the Hawks who learned from Chancellor.

  10. I don’t get the holdout. When you are under contract you have no leverage. You can hold out, but all you do is lose money. The team will put another player out there and continue to play games. You will sit at home, be out of football shape, and pay fines.
    It makes zero sense.

  11. Good point Mike. A lot of people forget about the compensatory pick and just assume they will trade him for peanuts. They will get a late 3rd or 4th rounder for Earl if they just sit on him.

    Can’t see them accepting any less than a 3rd round pick in trade, why would they take less for him in order to improve another team’s defense greatly in 2018… Doesn’t make sense.

  12. The Cowboys don’t even think he’s worth his asking price.
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    No way he is traded to Dallas.

    Otherwise, what happens next time a Seahawk plays near their hometown and tells their opponent “come get me”??

    .. even if the Cowboys fold and offer their #2 I don’t think he gets traded there, on principle alone.

  13. As i said yesterday love what seahawks and rams are doin. More owners need to follow this lead without speaking publicly about it so the whiners can’t accuse them of collusion

  14. Normally I can see the player’s PoV in these matters; the team gets all the leverage.

    Not the case here though. I’m a Seahawks fan and I love Earl, but this isn’t a team that is fielding a historically good defense any longer, and ET being there or not isn’t going to change that. He’s been an all-time great player, make no mistake. I see people say he’s washed up, overrated, No “insert name of all time great safety here”. Untrue. However I can’t see him having leverage, and he’s letting his emotions cost him money.

    If he really wanted a payday and/or trade, he would show up and do his job – show potential trade partners his dedication and passion to play, not his willingness to be a no-show.

    he’s made a lot of money from Seattle, 8.5m is a lot of money this year – sorry Earl, you’re one of the best to play the position, and one of the best to put on the Seahawks uni- but you have no leg to stand on here bruh.

  15. Legion of Boom?

    More like “Legion of Malcolm-Butler-ended-our-one-year-dynasty-and-then-we-overpaid-everyone-and-traded-for-Jimmy-Graham-which-was-a-mistake-and-if-we-had-won-that-Super-Bowl-we-would-have-been-unstoppable-but-now-we-just-plain-suck-but-Russell-makes-25-million-a-year-do-who-cares.”

  16. Not the case here though. I’m a Seahawks fan and I love Earl, but this isn’t a team that is fielding a historically good defense any longer, and ET being there or not isn’t going to change that.
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    You don’t need to be historically great on defense to win Championships.

    I don’t see why they couldn’t be a top 10 D with Thomas and Wagner, probably the 2 best at their positions.

  17. The Truth says:
    August 2, 2018 at 4:55 pm
    As i said yesterday love what seahawks and rams are doin. More owners need to follow this lead without speaking publicly about it so the whiners can’t accuse them of collusion
    …………………………….
    There is a big difference between the Seahawks and the Rams. Seattle gave Earl a 4 year 40 million second contract that at the time made him the highest paid safety and have paid 31.5 out of that with this year’s 8.5 being the last. Donald was never up til this point possibly even being offered top DL money. Rams ticked Donald off long enough that now he’s standing his ground on getting Suh+ money like the Lions gave out over half a decade ago.

  18. If you don’t want to honor your contract, then don’t sign it and give your word that you’ll live up to it. I have no problem with people seeking as much money as they can get, but I do have a problem with people signing a contract and then reneging on it. That’s not cool. Honor your contract, play it out, then go get your money. Otherwise, you’re just a jackass.

  19. The veteran players aren’t happy with contracts…

    The rookie players aren’t happy with contracts (which the veteran players approved because they were pissed at the money the rooks were making)…

    The baseball union, which is supposed to be the best, has wised up to what’s happening…

    Fun stuff is coming..

  20. Seahawk’s fans last year: “ET is the best safety in football and a future HOF’er. Not only that, he’s a stand-up guy”!

    Seahawk’s fans this year” ET is near 30 and not as good as before. He’s very selfish and doesn’t deserve another dime”!

  21. If y’all got the chance to come get me, come get me!”

    Big mistake to say that in the opponents’ locker room. Earl is a great warrior, but not a good businessman.

  22. E.T.’s desire is probably going to meet the same end as Kam’s. The J.S. will probably not capitulate. Another lost season because of team cohesion being missed by missing personnel. The Steelers are feeling (have felt) the same with L.Bell. The contract structures in the NFL with all of the Monopoly money for the players is a farce. I’m not advocating for the franchises or players, just be honest about who’s getting payed what & when. Multi-year deals with phantom pay? Please. If you need an attorney to explain the business agreement, it’s probably a bad deal.

  23. E.T.’s desire is probably going to meet the same end as Kam’s. J.S. will probably not capitulate. Another lost season because of team cohesion being missed by missing personnel. The Steelers are feeling (have felt) the same with L.Bell. The contract structures in the NFL with all of the Monopoly money for the players is a farce. I’m not advocating for the franchises or players, just be honest about who’s getting payed what & when. Multi-year deals with phantom pay? Please. If you need an attorney to explain the business agreement, it’s probably a bad deal.

  24. He’ll stay away until the regular season begins then report. His threats to retire says his hearts not in it. He won’t give up that half mil per game though.

  25. Paul Allen is the owner, not the General Manager. He is not like Jerry Jones, who is the owner and General Manager. Nevertheless, Allen may tell his General Manager which road to take. Play hard ball or give in to “ET’s” demands.

  26. The owners don’t have to honor contracts, they can just cut a player in an instant. Why don’t fans get worked up about that? Paul Allen probably has more money than every player in the NFL combined.

  27. Give them a 4th and a 5th. If he gets a new contract with any team, he may make a business decision and Haynesworth the new team. The Cowboys have memories of Roy OU Williams, Roy UT Williams, Marcellus Wiley, Joey Galloway, and others who got the fat dollars and then coasted off into oblivion!

  28. The Seahawks response to Kam, and to Beastmode; we won’t negotiate unless you have a year left on your deal.

    Kam and Beastmode Didn’t run into an opposing teams locker room and whine like a little punk.

  29. Those that say a holdout makes zero sense are wrong. He’s taking a huge injury risk this year before he becomes a free agent. If he tears up his knee this year or achilles it could cost him $30 million

  30. The owners don’t have to honor contracts, they can just cut a player in an instant. Why don’t fans get worked up about that? Paul Allen probably has more money than every player in the NFL combined
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    Part of the collective bargaining agreement negotiated by NFL and NFLPA allows teams to cut a player so technically, cutting a player is honoring the contact.

    There is a hard salary cap, so Paul Allen could all the money in the world and he still would have to a set Max he could spend.

  31. Why has no one mentioned that Thomas was one of the most strident team members during Chancellor’s holdout. Saying it was wrong and he needed to be on the field. Now it’s him and his inner hypocrite surfaces.

  32. tehtrashman says:
    August 2, 2018 at 7:48 pm
    If Cleveland trades for Earl Thomas they jump to Super Bowl favorites in the crappy AFC.

    Doubtful. But the mistake by the lake would be a good destination for ET……..

  33. This is the year that I found out one of my favorite Seahawks was kind of an idiot and cared more about himself than his team and teamates. 8.5 million isnt peanuts Earl.

    What is more is he doesnt seem to care about his reputation and how NFL history sees him.

    I guess a million dollars doesn’t go very far when you need a couple of houses and a few fancy cars to keep up with the Joneses of the league.

    Kam got all jealous hanging out at Richard Sherman’s house we know that much.

  34. If I was Earl Thomas I’d be angry at the Sea Hawks.
    I’d train extra hand to prove them wrong when I left after the season.
    I’d hope to get a contract like Eric Weddle god and have several more productive years.
    So I’d take care of business work hard in pre-season, have a great season, then leave.

  35. Seahawks won’t blink.

    And the Rams won’t either when Seattle swipes the division back and leaves the doomsday sayers left in awe.

    Tons and tons of depth on this team. The casual hater will be caught way off guard.

    Year in and year out people proclaim the packers are contenders solely because of Rodgers. Wilson is able to be as much of an MVP as Rodgers.

  36. No team should ever give in. It sets a poor precedent. If all 32 teams refused to renegotiate holdouts would be a thing of the past. If both sides are not willing to renegotiate a contract, then the contract stands. Fines should be increased ten fold too.

  37. No team should ever give in. It sets a poor precedent. If all 32 teams refused to renegotiate holdouts would be a thing of the past. If both sides are not willing to renegotiate a contract, then the contract stands. Fines should be increased ten fold too.

  38. Kam and Beastmode Didn’t run into an opposing teams locker room and whine like a little punk.
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    I agree, huge mistake on Earls part… I’ve never heard of anything like that in my lifetime, in any sport.

    He’d probably take that back in hindsight.

  39. That would be money not well spent to give him what he wants at 30 years old….and missing games the past 2 seasons. Age is a slap in the face for guys like ET and Kam who throw their bodies around every game. But it’s a reality…

    I really like the youth on this team and there are a few defensive studs who will make their presence known this season. Out with old…in with the new.

  40. Sherman is and was behind a lot of this mess…. Thomas is the last of that bunch….Hawks are young and hungry again…addition by subtraction… Love Earl but his days in Seattle are about done and I’m ok with that…Teams are growing weary of mouthy malcontents.

  41. goodmengoodwill says:
    August 2, 2018 at 7:41 pm

    Those that say a holdout makes zero sense are wrong. He’s taking a huge injury risk this year before he becomes a free agent. If he tears up his knee this year or achilles it could cost him $30 million

    Do tell…

    Which team(s) are willing to guarantee $30M but won’t even give up a second round pick?

  42. For those who concur with the franchises

    I love for your bank, your boss, your better-half to renege on their contracts with you

    I feel if its fair for the boss to be able to trade a player ahead of the player serving out the contract,
    Why can’t the player have the same rights?

    It’s OK as long as its not us suffering any disadvantages

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