Pete Morelli: Anthony Barr’s hit on Aaron Rodgers would be a penalty this year

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Vikings linebacker Anthony Barr was not penalized last season when he hit Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers after Rodgers delivered a pass while out of the pocket, but something similar this year would have a different result.

That was the word from NFL referee Pete Morelli on Thursday. Morelli was in Minnesota to talk to the Vikings about this year’s rules changes, including enhanced protections for defenseless players. Morelli also spoke to reporters and told them that Rodgers, who broke his collarbone on the play, would qualify under that change.

“Any time a quarterback’s in a defenseless position,” Morelli said, via Chris Tomasson of the Pioneer Press. “Players will have to kind of roll to the side when they make that tackle instead of plopping down on them. So, yeah, [the] Aaron Rodgers [hit] would be a foul this year. As long as he’s out of pocket, established, and all that. If he’s running, that’s not the same.”

The NFL rulebook states (emphasis ours) that “when tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down OR land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight.” In 2017, the rulebook read that a player must not “unnecessarily or violently throw him down AND land on top of him.”

Those protections extend to a quarterback rolling out as long as “the passer stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture.”

The Packers will surely hope that no hits on Rodgers put Morelli’s words to the test this season, but the issue will likely come up for some quarterback and defensive player before the year is out.

112 responses to “Pete Morelli: Anthony Barr’s hit on Aaron Rodgers would be a penalty this year

  1. Hmm…how does a 300lb linemen change directions in a split second. I’m a Rodgers fan but that was not a penalty. QBs get roughed up all time, that’s the price of holding the ball a little to long. Might as well put flags and red jerseys on QBs.

  2. Sounds like defensive players have to put themselves at risk for an injury in order to prevent an offensive player from getting injured. I could see football moving at baseball’s pace with all the flags & ref announcements after each play

  3. It was simply unnecessary. Illegal or not wouldn’t have changed the outcome. Barr plays past the whistle to compensate for arriving too late. Then he stands up, mean-mugging, like he’s somebody. He’s nobody. You think the Vikings are sorry? Heck, it gave them a chance and they took it…..despite the Ed Thorp curse ensuring their demise when the going got tough. Vikings fans don’t fear the Packers or anybody else in the division. No need. Why should they? They fear historic and sustained failure and futility more than anything less. It’s their birthright.

  4. Umm… impossible to legislate! They need to make the rules easier for the refs so they don’t screw them up, not harder to decide how to call a routine tackle. The new helmet rule and this clarification will replace the former catch rule as something the league is going to have visit over and over for the next decade because everyone from owners to fans will complain.

  5. Yes, the hit was late and unnecessary, but that was nothing compared to what the dirtbag Saints did to Favre in that NFC Championship game. No wonder Greg Williams changed his appearance after that.

  6. ajzinnecker says:
    August 2, 2018 at 3:14 pm
    Rob Brzezinski is a Tool With ZERO CHAMPIONSHIPS says:

    August 2, 2018 at 12:31 pm

    This still doesn’t change the fact that the Vikings have ZERO Championships.

    ZERO.

    ——————-

    Still doesn’t change the fact that we still love our team, and our fan hood isn’t conditional on championships.

    How about you post something constructive or stay off?

    ____________

    This still doesn’t change the fact that the Vikings have ZERO Championships.

    ZERO.

  7. electricboogalo says:
    August 2, 2018 at 3:51 pm
    Yes, the hit was late and unnecessary, but that was nothing compared to what the dirtbag Saints did to Favre in that NFC Championship game. No wonder Greg Williams changed his appearance after that.
    ////////////////////////////

    How else does a team beat a team better than their own? Where do you think Barr learned it?

  8. “Clearly establishes a passing posture”

    So a quarterback that fakes a pass outside the pocket cannot be hit? Rodgers and others do that a lot to fake out defenders.

    I guess it’s a good thing if you are a QB made out of glass, i.e. Aaron Rodgers. Now, nobody can hit you but you can burn the defense or get a flag.

    Or, Rodgers could put on his big boy pants and play with the rest of the adults, but that wouldn’t be any fun now, would it?

  9. This rule has the makings of a complete disaster. Never understood the constant rule changes year after year,just leave it alone. Here’s a thought why dont we instead get some consistency in the stupid rules that exist now and how they’re called.

  10. They truly are trying to rid the league of fans.

    This bothers me as much as a player looking like he is going out of bounds and the defender doesn’t want to touch him OOB and get penalized, then said offensive player scoots up the sidelines.

    Advantage: offense.

  11. Alan Light says:
    August 2, 2018 at 3:57 pm
    The new rules appear more screwed up than Rodgers shoulder….

    —-

    But not QUITE as screwed up as the average minnesotan’s feeble little mind.

  12. LOL….

    The refs protecting Aaron even before the season starts.

    But if a packers defender hits Cousins in the head with his elbow causing a concussion, (like what happened to Bridgewater), they won’t call it.

    Serious question.
    Will Morelli call it for any other QB?

  13. Are we seriously still perseverating over this play?

    Feel all the vindication you want Packer Rubes….the game and play happened last year. It wasn’t a penalty or a cheap hit. It was football. Or, at least what football once was.

    How long before QBs have red flags on their hips to grab. And you know Rodgers would be the first one pouting the big defensive player grabbed it too hard!

  14. tokyosandblaster says:

    August 2, 2018 at 3:44 pm

    Sorry. Nothing is a penalty when Vikings players are doing anything.

    If any other team wins, though, it’s because of the Refs.
    —————————-
    Or if you touch Aaron, we will complain about guys playing football.
    Got.

    Is your comment civil?

  15. It simply doesn’t matter.
    Penalty this year, penalty last year.
    The NFL simply hates the Vikings.
    The Barneys were already crying about future officiating in posts last week.
    Yes, as hard as that may be to believe, you read that statement correctly.
    When they win it’s well earned, deserved even.
    And when they lose there’s always an excuse.
    Officiating, for and against, grand NFL conspiracies designed to keep the Vikings down while elevating obvious less deserving teams.
    It’s always the Vikings against the world. skoLOL!

  16. Hey, Screamingyellowzonkers!

    Good to see you!

    Again, I’m not making fun of injuries, like your fellow Vikes fan does on this same thread!

    My “civil” comment was talking about the people making fun of the Packers injuries. But you seem to think that kind of behavior is acceptable!

    …Neat!!

  17. When is Pete going to retire? Seriously. Go youtube the hit on Rodgers last year… where in that sequence did Rodgers ever set-up and establish himself? He’s jogging to his right to avoid the rush and throws on the run. This rule is going to infuriate fans from all teams. This is going to be as bad as defining what a catch is…

  18. The song “Still The Same” by Seger is playing in my head. Still complaing about a play that happened 10 months ago. Packers fans living in the past now feel vindicated because of a rule change from a play that was in the past.

    Still haven’t signed your QB
    Still let great talent leave
    Still don’t draft well
    Still only have on play maker.

    “Cause you’re still the same
    You’re still the same
    Moving game to game
    Some things never change
    You’re still the same”

  19. The song “Still The Same” by Seger is playing in my head. Still complaing about a play that happened 10 months ago. Vikings fans living in the past now feel upset because of a rule change from a play that was in the past.

    Still haven’t won a damned thing
    Still let overpay for mediocrity
    Still complain when you don’t get every call
    Still pretend to be better than everyone else.

    “Cause you’re still the same
    You’re still the same
    Moving game to game
    Some things never change
    You’re still the same”

  20. If player A delivers a big hit on player B, jarring the ball loose, and B gets up and walks away, it was a great play. But if B is hurt it’s a foul.
    How does that make sense? It’s an inconsistent ruling.

    Whether the player who is hit is injured or not is irrelevant to the play itself being legal or not.

  21. Yet another example of how the NFL is unwatchable.

    Why are ratings declining? Because of stupid and ridiculous rule changes like this one.

  22. For all the comments that it was a football play, remember Rodgers released the ball and Barr took at least 3 steps before delivering the blow, It was a freak angle that Rodgers landed on that helped cause the injury but the ref had the option of calling a penalty and choose not to.

    To protect all Qbs, they should protect them after they throw the ball similar to how punters are protected. Get there on time and disrupt the throwing motion and then its legal but if you hit a qB after he throws the ball and it takes 2 steps to get there, then it should be a penalty.

    Viking fans take delight in winning the division by knocking out Rodgers but the football God’s got the last laugh to the tune of a 38-7 score. And that was a backbreaker considering the Vikings would have been the first team to host a Superbowl in their home stadium. Viking fans just don’t get it, every team that wins a Superbowl gets a break or two here or there and your team doesn’t qualify when it plays dirty.

  23. koreystringerswidow says:
    August 2, 2018 at 4:33 pm
    Some teams care a lot more about player safety than others. I’m glad the league is trying to prevent the completely unnecessary after the throw pile drivers.
    ============================================================================================
    Doesn’t matter what team you pull for, who you dislike, or anything else. Your screen name is absolutely classless and trashy.

  24. Rob Brzezinski is a Magician says:
    August 2, 2018 at 4:45 pm
    Rodgers gets hurt so the league changes the rule that was working just fine for 100 years, and the Packer fans are still complaining?

    —-

    Just like the rules changed when Brady was lost for the season.

    The league needs marquee, Super Bowl winning talent.

    Sorry you haven’t had any.

  25. whatjusthapped says:
    August 2, 2018 at 4:41 pm

    remember Rodgers released the ball and Barr took at least 3 steps before delivering the blow
    _______

    Are you lazy or just can’t count to 3? We live in the information age; you can find video of the play in 2 seconds. Barr took two steps at the most, more like a step and a half, while running full speed. The only way he could avoid hitting Rodgers would be if he decided to slow down before the ball was thrown. It will also take some pretty amazing awareness and body control to land just the right way after making contact.

    I don’t think you’ll be happy until they change the rule to say that Rodgers can’t be touched at all. They already have the rule that touching Rodgers’ shoulder pad results in a 15-yard facemask penalty.

  26. The Vikings aren’t known for their offensive line, and Elflein is still out.

    If I were a Vikings fan I’d be all in favor of rules that protect their Shiny new fully guaranteed QB (that sucks in the red zone and hasn’t won a playoff game).

  27. Unnecessary… not illegal. As someone else, who happens to not be a Viking fan said, 2 1/2 steps after the ball is thrown, and then throws his full body weight on top.

    I know, because I used to do it. Barr’s intent was to injure.

  28. This shows as much as anything how easy QBs have it today. I’d love to see Elway, Montana and Marino play with today’s rules and Brady and Rodgers play in the 80s.

  29. This shows as much as anything how easy QBs have it today. I’d love to see Elway, Montana and Marino play with today’s rules and Brady and Rodgers play in the 80s.
    =====

    Marino’s records may still be standing.

    .. and Ol’ #4 may still be slinging it around.

  30. If Rodgers had been inside the pocket, it would have been called a penalty. All that’s being done is extending the same rules for roughing the passer to outside the pocket as well.

  31. “Any time a quarterback’s in a defenseless position…”
    ======
    This is right up there with players slowing down in order to not hit Rodgers and incur a penalty as he is clearly running out of bounds only to watch him sidearm the ball 20 yards down the field at the last second.

    That said, and defensive player is going to put their full weight on any QB. They are instructed to so if it is legal.

  32. wafflestomp says:
    August 2, 2018 at 4:13 pm
    It simply doesn’t matter.
    Penalty this year, penalty last year.
    The NFL simply hates the Vikings.
    The Barneys were already crying about future officiating in posts last week.
    Yes, as hard as that may be to believe, you read that statement correctly.
    When they win it’s well earned, deserved even.
    And when they lose there’s always an excuse.
    Officiating, for and against, grand NFL conspiracies designed to keep the Vikings down while elevating obvious less deserving teams.
    It’s always the Vikings against the world. skoLOL!
    ———————————–
    Yet Gumby fans are STILL whining, crying and complaining about Aaron’s fall.
    LOL

    The packers need all the help they can get, and still cant fulfill preseason Super Bowls.

  33. Might as starting playing two hand touch with *SOME* of the quarterbacks at this point(sorry Cam you’re too big of a quarterback size wise for the rule to apply to you).

  34. tokyosandblaster says:
    August 2, 2018 at 5:03 pm
    The Vikings aren’t known for their offensive line, and Elflein is still out.

    If I were a Vikings fan I’d be all in favor of rules that protect their Shiny new fully guaranteed QB (that sucks in the red zone and hasn’t won a playoff game).
    ————–
    One small problem. Most QBs don’t get that kind of protection from the refs.
    Why is Morelli calling out only this play?
    Do you think there are other plays that SHOULD have been called roughing the passer?
    There were plenty. Hits to the head. Hits after the throw.
    Yet Morelli only cares about Aaron.

  35. Legal, not legal? Deliberate or not? 2 steps, three or four? Penalty or not? It doesn’t matter how/if it is officiated.

    The 15 yards of penalty yardage assessed would not have kept Rodgers on the field. He was done for basically the rest of the year and it was a shame for most football fans.

    I don’t root for GB, but enjoy watching one of the best perform weekly with GamePass. Hundley just wasn’t the same behind center and actually painful at times to watch … so I stopped after a couple of games …

  36. screamingyellowzonkers says:
    August 2, 2018 at 6:08 pm

    The packers need all the help they can get, and still cant fulfill preseason Super Bowls.
    ……………………………………………………………………………….

    Meanwhile, in Minnesota, not only can`t they fulfill preseason Superbowls, they can`t fulfill Superbowls after the regular season either.

  37. cheeseisfattening says:
    August 2, 2018 at 6:44 pm
    oh boy, it looks like Barr is going to be getting more death threats. If he has stopped getting them at some point there are sure to start again now.
    ______________

    Yes, just like the death threats Al Harris received from Barney fans after Adrian Peterson hurt his knee during a 34-0 beat down at Lambeau Field back in 2007.
    The only difference was that Harris laughed it all off, including the spelling and grammar of some of the notes.
    He also refused to whine about it, but I digress.

  38. Rob Brzezinski is a Magician says:
    August 2, 2018 at 4:56 pm
    I don’t think you’ll be happy until they change the rule to say that Rodgers can’t be touched at all. They already have the rule that touching Rodgers’ shoulder pad results in a 15-yard facemask penalty.
    //////////////////////////////////////

    ……..and Packer fans are the whiners?

  39. wafflestomp says:
    August 2, 2018 at 8:28 pm
    cheeseisfattening says:
    August 2, 2018 at 6:44 pm
    oh boy, it looks like Barr is going to be getting more death threats. If he has stopped getting them at some point there are sure to start again now.
    ______________

    Yes, just like the death threats Al Harris received from Barney fans after Adrian Peterson hurt his knee during a 34-0 beat down at Lambeau Field back in 2007.
    The only difference was that Harris laughed it all off, including the spelling and grammar of some of the notes.
    He also refused to whine about it, but I digress

    ///////////////////

    Death threats on Harris never happened. It was a clean hit.

  40. Collarbones can heal, but sometimes feelings can’t. I don’t care about Aaron’s shoulder I’m worried about his feelings. He’s sensitive…and sensitive about being called sensitive.

  41. marvin1958 says:
    August 2, 2018 at 5:04 pm

    Unnecessary… not illegal. As someone else, who happens to not be a Viking fan said, 2 1/2 steps after the ball is thrown, and then throws his full body weight on top.

    I know, because I used to do it. Barr’s intent was to injure.

    ÷÷÷÷÷÷÷

    There is no way Barr took 2 1/2 steps after the ball was throw before he legally tackled Rodgers. If that was the case, Barr would have been flagged and later fined and possibly suspended. None of that happened, though, because he didn’t take 2 1/2 steps like you claim. You’re making things up to fit your bias. #fakenews

  42. No dog in this fight, but it’s hard to see how that should have been illegal. Rodgers rolled out to make a play. It’s Barr’s job to make sure that he doesn’t succeed. And while we can argue as to whether or not he showed proper concern for Rodgers afterward, nothing about the hit itself was particularly vicious. Not sure how someone in Barr’s position in the future will be able to handle it.

  43. The NFL is not going to schedule packers vs the Vikings in the middle of the year anymore they don’t have an advantage. They will stick to the first 2 games of the season or a short week for Thanksgiving. That and at the end of the season outdoors in GB.

  44. flviking says:
    August 2, 2018 at 9:26 pm
    wafflestomp says:
    August 2, 2018 at 8:28 pm
    cheeseisfattening says:
    August 2, 2018 at 6:44 pm
    oh boy, it looks like Barr is going to be getting more death threats. If he has stopped getting them at some point there are sure to start again now.
    ______________

    Yes, just like the death threats Al Harris received from Barney fans after Adrian Peterson hurt his knee during a 34-0 beat down at Lambeau Field back in 2007.
    The only difference was that Harris laughed it all off, including the spelling and grammar of some of the notes.
    He also refused to whine about it, but I digress

    ///////////////////

    Death threats on Harris never happened. It was a clean hit.
    ________________

    Yes, it was a clean hit and it was disappointing because it marred what was a very special rookie season for Peterson.

    And the death threats did occur.
    In fact, Harris was on Green Bay’s sports talk radio show, WDUZ The Fan, discussing it the week after the game.
    When asked if he was concerned about them, Harris joked that there was serious doubt any of the deranged individuals could even locate him judging by the spelling and grammatical errors in the notes.

  45. Wow….don’t even know where to begin. Probably the worst comment section I’ve ever seen on here. Such rude comments from both the Packer fans and Vikings. Sometimes I just wish it didn’t have to be like this?

    As a Vikings fan I don’t even really hate the Packers, I just don’t like some of the posters on this site. I enjoy the rivalry with some friends of mine who are Packer fans.

    IN the grand scheme of things does this really matter? Rodgers still would have been out all season, the Vikings would have taken a 15 yard penalty, and the Packers still would have lost without Rodgers.

    I think it’s sad that the NFL changed this. The reason Rodgers got hurt was because of him landing on it incorrectly, not because of Barr.

  46. ajzinnecker says:
    Wow….don’t even know where to begin. Probably the worst comment section I’ve ever seen on here. Such rude comments from both the Packer fans and Vikings. Sometimes I just wish it didn’t have to be like this?

    –Seriously?

  47. mack2x says:

    August 3, 2018 at 8:58 am

    ajzinnecker says:
    Wow….don’t even know where to begin. Probably the worst comment section I’ve ever seen on here. Such rude comments from both the Packer fans and Vikings. Sometimes I just wish it didn’t have to be like this?

    –Seriously?

    —————-

    Yea seriously. I enjoy more when you can actually talk about the story at hand….vs. routine trolling from certain people on here.

  48. wafflestomp says:
    August 2, 2018 at 8:28 pm
    cheeseisfattening says:
    August 2, 2018 at 6:44 pm
    oh boy, it looks like Barr is going to be getting more death threats. If he has stopped getting them at some point there are sure to start again now.
    ______________
    Yes, just like the death threats Al Harris received from Barney fans after Adrian Peterson hurt his knee during a 34-0 beat down at Lambeau Field back in 2007.
    The only difference was that Harris laughed it all off, including the spelling and grammar of some of the notes.
    He also refused to whine about it, but I digress.
    ——————–
    Hey Tokyo, you mad bro?

  49. Yes, all this constant ugliness from Viking fans is very unseemly.

    Just know that I am here and willing to act as your moral compass, should you finally decide to rehabilitate you degenerate behavior. Then, and only then, will karma stop punishing you.

  50. tokyosandblaster says:

    August 2, 2018 at 4:55 pm

    Rob Brzezinski is a Magician says:
    August 2, 2018 at 4:45 pm
    Rodgers gets hurt so the league changes the rule that was working just fine for 100 years, and the Packer fans are still complaining?

    —-

    Just like the rules changed when Brady was lost for the season.

    The league needs marquee, Super Bowl winning talent.

    Sorry you haven’t had any.

    ——————-

    Take Rodgers away and you have no Superbowl winning talent.

  51. ajzinnecker says:
    August 3, 2018 at 9:53 am
    tokyosandblaster says:
    August 2, 2018 at 4:55 pm
    Rob Brzezinski is a Magician says:
    August 2, 2018 at 4:45 pm
    Rodgers gets hurt so the league changes the rule that was working just fine for 100 years, and the Packer fans are still complaining?
    —-
    Just like the rules changed when Brady was lost for the season.
    The league needs marquee, Super Bowl winning talent.
    Sorry you haven’t had any.
    ——————-
    Take Rodgers away and you have no Superbowl winning talent.

    —–

    Give the Vikings Super Bowl winning talent, and they still can’t win a Super Bowl.

  52. Take Rodgers away and you have no Superbowl winning talent.
    =====

    Yep. The talent level has really fallen off since 2010-2011.

    .. hopefully their coach gets stuck in the phone booth. That would improve their chances as well.

  53. tokyosandblaster says:

    August 3, 2018 at 10:04 am

    ajzinnecker says:
    August 3, 2018 at 9:53 am
    tokyosandblaster says:
    August 2, 2018 at 4:55 pm
    Rob Brzezinski is a Magician says:
    August 2, 2018 at 4:45 pm
    Rodgers gets hurt so the league changes the rule that was working just fine for 100 years, and the Packer fans are still complaining?
    —-
    Just like the rules changed when Brady was lost for the season.
    The league needs marquee, Super Bowl winning talent.
    Sorry you haven’t had any.
    ——————-
    Take Rodgers away and you have no Superbowl winning talent.

    —–

    Give the Vikings Super Bowl winning talent, and they still can’t win a Super Bowl.

    ——————–

    And us Vikings fans still love our team, and will cheer for a team that represents where we live, and our love for MN. And none of your Troll comments matter.

  54. No worries for the adults here and actual football fans. A change is coming.

    On Sept. 16th 2018 at 3 p.m. cst the Vikings fans/trolls will tuck tail and return to their holes. It will make this site much better again like it did in 2016.

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I am 100% jacked for this NFL season!

    #2018Season🏈

    #PackersNation

    #GoPackGo!☝️👏✊👍

  55. I may be in the minority, but I firmly believe these rules cause MORE injuries to players. They give players a false sense of security, and they just aren’t prepared when they do get hit.

    Like the slide rule…90 percent of the time the qb is safe and not getting hit. But, when they do, they are absolutely defenseless and end up in a puddle on the ground. The safest thing would be for players to KNOW they are going to get hit. Then they will protect their body.

    Beyond that, what’s worse? Aaron Rodgers collecting another petty penalty in his trophy case, or having him fake that he is going to throw and run up the field for 30 yards? Hit him anyway….it’s not going to end up worse than the alternative.

  56. freefromwhatyouare says:

    August 3, 2018 at 10:29 am

    No worries for the adults here and actual football fans. A change is coming.

    On Sept. 16th 2018 at 3 p.m. cst the Vikings fans/trolls will tuck tail and return to their holes. It will make this site much better again like it did in 2016.

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I am 100% jacked for this NFL season!

    #2018Season🏈

    #PackersNation

    #GoPackGo!☝️👏✊👍

    ——————

    We are going to give up after one game? lol. Get real. In 2016 we still beat the pack also. Remember when Bradford tore your defense part after learning the playbook a week? It’s the same team, except in 2016 our Offensive Line had historic injuries.

    The Packers only beat us bad at Lablow when it’s cold out, but luckily we play you early when it will be nice out. I wouldn’t take that game lightly.

  57. Ok, AJ.

    You can call me a troll if you’d like.

    It truly doesn’t bother me. I’m like the Batman created by Vikings Fans’ Joe Chill.

    And I’ll keep winning.

    If you want to have a rational conversation sometime, that’s fine.

    This is a special season for the Packers. I feel it. Whether it’s when I’m at practices (today will be my third), to when I’m reading between the lines, I just feel it.

    Will we win a Super Bowl? I have zero idea, and I won’t claim that we will. But the Defense will be much improved, Rodgers still has the same zip, and the addition of Jimmy Graham is a game changer.

  58. tokyosandblaster says:

    August 3, 2018 at 11:09 am

    Ok, AJ.

    You can call me a troll if you’d like.

    It truly doesn’t bother me. I’m like the Batman created by Vikings Fans’ Joe Chill.

    And I’ll keep winning.

    If you want to have a rational conversation sometime, that’s fine.

    This is a special season for the Packers. I feel it. Whether it’s when I’m at practices (today will be my third), to when I’m reading between the lines, I just feel it.

    Will we win a Super Bowl? I have zero idea, and I won’t claim that we will. But the Defense will be much improved, Rodgers still has the same zip, and the addition of Jimmy Graham is a game changer.

    ————————-

    Every fan who has a decent teams thinks it will be a special season. Nothing wrong with that. I think Vikings and Packer fans both have reasons to be optimistic for this season. Will be fun to see how it plays out.

    I think the Packers will be good if their defense can be average at least and Rodgers puts up 30 points a game. Could happen, but it’s tough to expect rookie Corners to be good year one. The Defense could improve no doubt, but the defense was one of the worst in the league. So how much will it improve? Typically it takes two seasons to improve. The Vikings had the worst defense in the league when Zimmer took over. In 2014 it jumped to about 15-17 ranked. I think that’s a realistic expectation for the Packer defense if things land correctly. I full expect Rodgers to be himself. I don’t know what the impact of Grahm will be. Rodgers never has thrown to his TE very often. Everyone said Bennett would be great least year.

    Vikings should be good as long as no major injuries. I think if one area does the Vikings in it’s the offensive line. If there are a lot of injuries like 2016 I think that’s the one area of concern. If the team stays healthy they should be in the mix.

    Packers also have one of the easiest schedule in the league. Huge advantage.

  59. tokyosandblaster says:

    August 3, 2018 at 11:09 am

    Ok, AJ.

    You can call me a troll if you’d like.

    It truly doesn’t bother me. I’m like the Batman created by Vikings Fans’ Joe Chill.

    And I’ll keep winning.

    If you want to have a rational conversation sometime, that’s fine.

    This is a special season for the Packers. I feel it. Whether it’s when I’m at practices (today will be my third), to when I’m reading between the lines, I just feel it.

    Will we win a Super Bowl? I have zero idea, and I won’t claim that we will. But the Defense will be much improved, Rodgers still has the same zip, and the addition of Jimmy Graham is a game changer.

    ————

    FYI…I only call you a troll because of the way your comments are directed.

    Instead of commenting on the story, or saying anything related to the story you just post negative remarks like the Vikings in ability to win a superbowl, or blanket statements directed at Vikings fans….like Vikings fans all are….fill in the blank.

    To me that’s trolling. Your just looking to jab at Vikings fans, make blanket statements, etc. It makes your fan base look bad which is a shame…I know some pretty cool Packer fans that I can actually have a conversation with that doesn’t involve trolling. Most of these friends of mine acknowledge the teams are pretty close in talent, and have been competitive in recent years.

    I am a pretty unbiased fan. I don’t hate the Packers either as ateam. I just don’t enjoy the Troll posts. Every fan base has fans like this. Some are worst than others (Eagles fans).

  60. Bennett had the dropsies.

    The last time the Packers had a TE remotely like Graham, they went 15-1.

    Kevin King was injured for most of last year and still did an admirable job against some of the best receivers in the league. This year, he can use both arms. He’s going to be special. Tramon Williams coming back is big. Adding Mo Wilkerson to what was already a good DL is going to cause problems. Montravius Adams is also incredibly quick. Didn’t see it last year because he was also injured.

    I’m just saying…the defense is playing MUCH faster, and the Packers have two outstanding CBs this year. You’ll see. You can’t see the practices. Adams and King are pushing each other in ways that I haven’t seen since Greg Jennings and Charles Woodson.

  61. tokyosandblaster says:

    August 3, 2018 at 11:35 am

    Bennett had the dropsies.

    The last time the Packers had a TE remotely like Graham, they went 15-1.

    Kevin King was injured for most of last year and still did an admirable job against some of the best receivers in the league. This year, he can use both arms. He’s going to be special. Tramon Williams coming back is big. Adding Mo Wilkerson to what was already a good DL is going to cause problems. Montravius Adams is also incredibly quick. Didn’t see it last year because he was also injured.

    I’m just saying…the defense is playing MUCH faster, and the Packers have two outstanding CBs this year. You’ll see. You can’t see the practices. Adams and King are pushing each other in ways that I haven’t seen since Greg Jennings and Charles Woodson.

    ——————

    All good things for your squad for sure. I’ll have to see the CB’s play. Just view it through my eyes. Every year the Packers draft CB’s in the first and it doesn’t seem to change much. The only thing consistent in the Packers is Aaron Rdogers because he is amazing.

    With a healthy Rodgers all those WR’s could have a good season.

  62. “Packers have one of the easiest schedules in the league. Huge advantage”

    ===================

    Actually in April upon the NFL schedules release Green Bay’s schedule was rated the toughest schedule in NFL.

    2017 combined record: 138-118 6 playoff teams.

    Minnesotas schedule: 2017 combined record:133-118 5 playoff teams.

    With Green Bay now becoming a favorite to win the NFC in 2018 and lowering expectations of the Vikings, this has made some say the Packers schedule is “easy”

    I don’t get into rating season schedules before season. Things change pre and during the season so much that it really is meaningless to even comment on schedules yet.

    Green Bay takes it one game at a time! First up Chicago Sept. 9th.

    #100Seasons

    #OneGameAtATime

    #GoPackGo!

  63. freefromwhatyouare says:

    August 3, 2018 at 11:49 am

    “Packers have one of the easiest schedules in the league. Huge advantage”

    ===================

    Actually in April upon the NFL schedules release Green Bay’s schedule was rated the toughest schedule in NFL.

    2017 combined record: 138-118 6 playoff teams.

    Minnesotas schedule: 2017 combined record:133-118 5 playoff teams.

    With Green Bay now becoming a favorite to win the NFC in 2018 and lowering expectations of the Vikings, this has made some say the Packers schedule is “easy”

    I don’t get into rating season schedules before season. Things change pre and during the season so much that it really is meaningless to even comment on schedules yet.

    Green Bay takes it one game at a time! First up Chicago Sept. 9th.

    #100Seasons

    #OneGameAtATime

    #GoPackGo!

    —————————

    lol. You play the same schedule as us, except instead of the Eagles, you play the Redskins. The only hard team you play later in the year…is the Falcons, but you get to play them at home. Much easier than facing the Saints like we are. Same Schedule otherwise. Redskins instead of Eagles, Falcons at home instead of Saints.

    Get real if you think that is an easier schedule.

  64. fmc651 says:
    August 3, 2018 at 2:27 am
    The NFL is not going to schedule packers vs the Vikings in the middle of the year anymore they don’t have an advantage. They will stick to the first 2 games of the season or a short week for Thanksgiving. That and at the end of the season outdoors in GB.
    ===================================================================================================================================If the NFL is trying to give Green Bay an advantage over the Vikings, then why are the Vikings playing at Lambeau in Week 2 rather than later in the year?

  65. “I will have to see the CB’s play”

    ===========

    You do realize the 2 starting CB’s on the outside are Kevin King and Tramon Williams. I know you want to say we are starting 2 rookies on the outside but that false narrative is wrong like so many other things you post.

    Jaire Alexander is having a great camp so far and will probably win the nickel CB job.

    #Facts

    #TitleTown

  66. Easy on the conspiracy theories…it takes away some credibility.

    If the NFL REALLY wanted to give an edge to the Packers, they’d play the second game at Lambeau, not the first one.

    The Packers will most likely win the first game no matter what, as Cousins won’t be up to speed yet. He’s already admitted its like drinking from a fire hose.

    And Washington is INCREASING their playbook FOR ALEX SMITH.

  67. the NFL is trying to give Green Bay an advantage over the Vikings, then why are the Vikings playing at Lambeau in Week 2 rather than later in the year?

    freefromwhatyouare says:

    August 3, 2018 at 12:08 pm

    “I will have to see the CB’s play”

    ===========

    You do realize the 2 starting CB’s on the outside are Kevin King and Tramon Williams. I know you want to say we are starting 2 rookies on the outside but that false narrative is wrong like so many other things you post.

    Jaire Alexander is having a great camp so far and will probably win the nickel CB job.

    #Facts

    #TitleTown

    ——————————-

    Sorry about my inaccuracy. I thought I heard GB was starting rookie CB’s.

    Williams is a decent corner. I don’t know about King to say anything.

  68. Bennett had the dropsies.

    The last time the Packers had a TE remotely like Graham, they went 15-1.
    ======

    Graham had the dropsies. And the loafies. And the pouties.

    2011 skill players (in order of receptions) – Nelson, Jennings, Finley, Jones, Driver, Starks, Cobb, Grant, Kuhn

    That’s pretty much the most absurd stable of receivers I’ve ever seen. Finley or no.

  69. Arguing over strength of schedule is fairly useless. For instance, the Eagles were 7-9 in 2016, then went 13-3 in ’17 and won the Super Bowl. The Saints were 7-9 in 16, then went 11-5 in ’17. It’s only true value is when you look at it at the end of the season.

  70. tokyosandblaster says:

    August 3, 2018 at 12:13 pm

    Easy on the conspiracy theories…it takes away some credibility.

    If the NFL REALLY wanted to give an edge to the Packers, they’d play the second game at Lambeau, not the first one.

    The Packers will most likely win the first game no matter what, as Cousins won’t be up to speed yet. He’s already admitted its like drinking from a fire hose.

    And Washington is INCREASING their playbook FOR ALEX SMITH.

    ———-

    I agree. I think it’s an advantage for the Vikings to play the game at Green Bay earlier as elements wont be as much as a factor. I personally expect us to split the matchs like we have most years in the past 5 years.

  71. “Sorry for the inaccuracy”

    ============

    No problem! I like your style! Pleasure to have constructive discourse with good Vikings fans! It’s a shame that you and purpleguy are the minority rather than the majority.

  72. Williams is a decent corner. I don’t know about King to say anything.
    =====

    Williams was the #13 corner according to PFF last year.

    I don’t think that’s the end-all, be-all way to rate a player.. but if he plays anything remotely close to that this year, the Packers will be much improved.

  73. i don’t understand how vikings fans say the packers tout off-season super bowls when we have actually won real super bowls. the trophy is named after a packer coach. they have no self awareness. always on the outside looking in.

    why would anyone take advice from a perpetually losing franchise!? no, we do not want to do things the loser way. figure out how to win first, then critique other teams. otherwise you look like an idiot to fans of actual championship teams.

  74. Have you been to Green Bay in the summer? That combined stench of cow manure, toilet paper manufacturing and cheese is unbearable. Any player would rather play there in the winter when there is no smell.🤣

  75. Rob Brzezinski is a Magician says:
    August 3, 2018 at 2:19 pm
    The Packers have a much harder schedule than the Vikings because the Packers have to play the Vikings twice while the Vikings get to play the Packers twice.

    —————-

    If they both make it to the Playoffs, the Packers will have an automatic win if they face each other.

    Neither the Vikings nor their new QB are worth a damn when it counts.

  76. 1L says:
    August 3, 2018 at 3:20 pm

    i don’t understand how vikings fans say the packers tout off-season super bowls when we have actually won real super bowls. the trophy is named after a packer coach. they have no self awareness. always on the outside looking in.

    why would anyone take advice from a perpetually losing franchise!? no, we do not want to do things the loser way. figure out how to win first, then critique other teams. otherwise you look like an idiot to fans of actual championship teams.
    _________

    Let me explain it to you. Packer fans claim their team is the team to beat every single offseason. That is touting an offseason Super Bowl. Viking fans don’t do that.

    And why is a fan of a third place team talking about championships? What year do you think this is?

  77. this just adds to the fact even further that the hit last year was not dirty or illegal. if it’s illegal this year, fine. who cares? it happened last year.

    the new rule is stupid and moronic. they are basically saying, ‘slow down and let up when you approach a quarterback.’ if you actually (GASP) tackle the quarterback, you’ll be flagged and fined.

    ridiculous

    #makefootballviolentagain

  78. Good thing for Barr the U.S Constitution bars ex post facto laws.

    It’s in Article I, Section 9, paragraph 3.

    You could look it up.

  79. “No dog in this fight, but it’s hard to see how that should have been illegal.”
    —————-

    Anthony Barr was running right at Rodgers with his head up. Rodgers releases the ball when Barr is 6 feet away. Undeterred that the ball carrier no longer had the ball, Barr didn’t let up and went for the tackle anyway. Then, instead of letting his momentum carry him past Rodgers left shoulder, Barr slowed his momentum, left his feet, and drove his left shoulder into Rodgers with all his weight right as Rodgers hit the ground. The hit was unnecessary and caused a major injury to the Hall of Famer.

    This wasn’t the only dirty play Barr has been guilty of either. In that same exact game Davante Adams left the game due to a head injury and went into the concussion protocol. After Adams came back into the game, Barr went up to him and violently headbutted him. Barr got fined for this. This was 1 of 3 fines Barr had for unsportsmanlike conduct last season.

  80. NFC Championship. High/low hit causes INT right in front of the Ref. No call. This was a priority all season as a result of Brady’s injury vs Chiefs. Pete Morelli is a corrupt dirtbag. Threw that game & another vs the Ravens a couple years later. Just give that snake some $ and he will call whatever you want. How did the people in MN let him get out in one piece!

  81. Barr ROLLED on top of him, he didn’t plop on him. Barr could easily have driven down and slammed down or dropped with all his force and weight. HE DIDN’T DO THAT. sensitive Packer fans and their fragile QB. (HGH doesn’t make your bones any stronger…)

  82. Hey Morelli-

    Let me show you a bunch of penalty hits on Brett Favre in the 2009 NFC Championship game that were penalties at the time… but you didn’t call..

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