Rams COO: Aaron Donald’s side sees his value one way, we see it differently

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Why is Aaron Donald holding out of training camp for the second consecutive season? Because he and the Rams disagree on what kind of contract he deserves.

That’s the word from Rams Chief Operating Officer Kevin Demoff, who said on Mighty 1090 that Donald’s side is asking for more money than the Rams are ready to pay.

“I don’t think they’re unrealistic,” Demoff said of Donald’s representatives. “I think they see their client at a certain point that they value at, we see it at a different point. To me, that doesn’t mean one side is right or wrong. I think that’s the worst thing you can say in negotiations. We don’t agree, but that doesn’t make us right and them wrong. It doesn’t make them right and us wrong. We just don’t agree. And hopefully we can find that magic bullet to go get there and agree.”

That’s the fundamental explanation for any contract dispute: The two sides disagree. The question is whether they’re going to agree any time soon. Last year, Donald’s holdout lasted long enough that he missed Week One. This year there’s been talk that it could go even longer.

58 responses to “Rams COO: Aaron Donald’s side sees his value one way, we see it differently

  1. What Donald and his agents need to consider is that if he asks for too much, and gets it, then he prices himself right off the roster in a few years (see Haynesworth, Albert). The team would not be able to keep him at a salary second to that of the QB.

  2. He’ll eventually come in and play. Then the Rams should let him walk. You can’t be held hostage by a defensive player no matter how good he is when he’s looking for QB type money or even more than QB type money.

    We offered Suh 12 million and change I believe and he turned it down. THANK THE LORD he turned it down. We’d be even worse off now had he resigned with Detroit. Same goes for Donald.

  3. If they hadn’t over payed for Suh, this wouldn’t be happening. But the Rams over payed for a fine player (as did the Dolphins) but a player than has never played for the Rams, so how do the Rams know what Suh’s true value is? Clearly Donald was a great player that should be getting likely more than Suh is getting…plus they let Quinn go. To the Dolphins, who I am sure did not over pay for Quinn. You did it to yourselves, Rams.

  4. Dlineman are not 100 million dollar players. That’s the problem. It’s happened before and it’s never panned out. A team holding the line on that is in the right, there is nothing to suggest his play with match that value long term.

  5. Of course he thinks his side is ‘right’ and the other side is ‘wrong’. Otherwise what are we doing here?

  6. Didn’t stop the Rams from backing up the Brinks truck for all these other guys.

    Overpaying guys who have barely played or never played for the Rams, while stringing along one of the, if not the most dominant defensive player in the NFL is dangerous.

    Rams risk running out of cap room to sign the guys they really need to keep, in order to pay these other guys first.

    He might even miss a few games this time. That’s not good for the Rams. It’s going to be a dogfight for the NFC West title, and every game missed, is a game where a loss could cost them a division, home field, maybe even a playoff spot overall. Remember folks 10-6 or 11-5 doesn’t guarantee you a playoff spot. So every loss counts.

  7. D-linemen are not $100 million dollar players…..
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    Apparently you don’t have Aaron Donald playing in your division like we do. Aaron Donald is probably the most talented, disruptive force on the defensive side of the ball in all the NFL today.

    Pay the man. He’s earned it.

  8. Pay the man! But don’t pay him too much. Aaron Donald is the best DT in the league, he is in the backfield of the play on almost every down despite constant double teams, he is a wrecking ball, and he just looks like a regular fat guy with his shirt off which is a good thing because it means his strength and ability is more natural, and not just a byproduct of being a workout warrior. Tough situation, even tougher when Ndamukong Suh is sitting in that same room making 14 million dollars this year while Aaron Donald is still on a rookie contract but getting closer to 30 yrs old by the day.

  9. The Rams had no problem over paying running back Todd Gurley. He’s a fine back but not a “double the going rate for top tier running back money”. Neither is Le’Veon Bell but now that the Rams set the bar, I’m sure Bell will get more providing he has a good year, no injuries and no drug suspensions.

  10. Why even bother with contracts anymore? If the player thinks he’s worth more, he doesn’t honor the contract anyway.

    Why not just have an open ended agreement that can be altered every year, which is what Aaron Rogers is negotiating for!

  11. So many players with delusional contract expectations these days.

    The next CBA is going to be a dog fight, and the biggest losers are going to be the 50 or so non-stars on every NFL roster (53 in the Jets case).

    I think these stars need to remember the pro football is the ultimate team sport.

  12. What Donald and his agents need to consider is that if he asks for too much, and gets it, then he prices himself right off the roster in a few years (see Haynesworth, Albert). The team would not be able to keep him at a salary second to that of the QB.

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    The player could care less about the down the road stuff. He knows he can get cut or traded by then…ITS ALL ABOUT THE UPFRONT GUARANTEES! NO MORE NO LESS! How much real money will an agent uhm I mean…a player will put in his pocket.

  13. Is Cooks double teamed every play? How about Gurley? Nope. They paid them both. Over payed for both in my opinion. This guy is a beast. A few years ago I saw Mike Singletary who was a consultant for the Rams at the time and is also a first ballot ballot hall of famer and the leader of one of the best defenses of all time say, “That #99……I have never seen anything like that in my life”. This is after just watching him practice. The guys is a generational player. It’s a fact. I hope he gets what he wants. He deserves it. Much more than Cooks, that’s for sure.

  14. Again if I’m Donald….I don’t play anitber down of football for the Rams until then either way me or trade me.

    He’s been a warrior through the bad times. Reigning DPOY. What more does he gotta do? Especially when they’re throwing money at EVERYONE else. Slap in the face.

  15. I think Donald has the leverage because the Rams have loaded up on aging veterans to ‘win now.’ They have sunk a ton of money into Suh and Talib. They traded for Peters who has some long term risks of character and decline. They gave a lot more money than other teams would have to Gurley (long term injury risk) and Cooks (perhaps too soft to merit his contract, but the best receiver they could get for now). If they let Donald hold out or force a trade or release, his loss counters many of those gains, and all the $50+ million they have invested short term in those players is perhaps flushed down the toilet. You cannot ‘win now’ with a free agent and trade spending spree while taking a moral stand to allow a holdout of your best player. You are either all in, or you are playing smart for the long term. It would be like if the Warriors signed Kevin Durant and then decided to fight Steph Curry in a holdout, it does not add up.

  16. It’s been reported the Rams are offering Donald $21M/yr with a 4-yr contract which would make him the highest paid defensive player in the history of the NFL but Donald’s camp wants $25M-yr which would make him the 6th highest paid QB in the league even though he’s a DT.

    The Rams got Suh for $14M this year, is Donald worth $11M/yr MORE than Suh? I don’t think so, in fact… it may be time to start thinking about signing Suh to a long term contract with the money that was being set aside for Donald which would allow the Rams to keep more of the core team intact.

    Which allows the Rams to be more competitive… signing Donald or signing Suh & Marcus Peters and/or Lamarcus Joyner?

    Trading Donald and picking up a pair of #1’s and probably a few other picks would allow the team to reload at the LB position which is the only weak link on the team.

    Donald needs to be careful what he wishes for or he might just get his wish… $25M/yr but in Buffalo or Detroit or some other NFL Siberia where players go and die.

  17. jman967 says:

    August 2, 2018 at 12:12 pm

    Dlineman are not 100 million dollar players. That’s the problem. It’s happened before and it’s never panned out. A team holding the line on that is in the right, there is nothing to suggest his play with match that value long term.

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    It’s true, generally speaking. Interior defensive linemen don’t have the value that they used to. But Aaron Donald isn’t just a defensive lineman. He’s the best interior defensive lineman to play the game in a long, long time. He’s either been first or second in sacks among interior linemen every year he’s been in the league, despite a pretty woeful group of teammates other than Robert Quinn (when Quinn was healthy).

    Just pay the man.

  18. Cooks is the third biggest contract among WRs and he is about to get blown away by Julio, Antonio, AJ, etc. Gurley moves the market from 8 M to 14 M but he was really the first young RB to get a deal. We’ll see what happens with Bell, Zeke in time, etc. My point? Fletcher Cox is already at 17 M. For 17 M, JJ Watt has barely played of late. Do you give Donald 20-25 M? Von Miller is at 19 M. Does Donald go to 25 M like Carr or Luck? If he wants a deal that goes above 17 but under 20, which still sets the market, fine. But if he is looking to paradigm shift I cannot blame the Rams for resisting.

  19. James Jackson says:
    August 2, 2018 at 12:24 pm
    […] he just looks like a regular fat guy with his shirt off which is a good thing because it means his strength and ability is more natural, and not just a byproduct of being a workout warrior.

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    Bulletproof argument. I’m convinced. Give him roughly all the money in the world.

  20. If Demoff thinks Donald is asking to much the cut him and you’ll find out what he is really worth. If anything he set his own value to low. Demoff really isn’t smart because he brought in mercenary’s from other teams and over paid for them which is exactly how you lose a locker room.

  21. “zhawk12 says:
    August 2, 2018 at 12:19 pm
    D-linemen are not $100 million dollar players…..
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    Apparently you don’t have Aaron Donald playing in your division like we do. Aaron Donald is probably the most talented, disruptive force on the defensive side of the ball in all the NFL today.

    Pay the man. He’s earned it”

    I’m a Pittsburgh guy. I’ve been watching Donald play since college. He’s an animal. However so were many Dlineman before him. Their value isn’t 100 million. Just not gonna pan out.

  22. Marc in Bakersfield says:
    August 2, 2018 at 12:40 pm
    I think Donald has the leverage because the Rams have loaded up on aging veterans to ‘win now.’ They have sunk a ton of money into Suh and Talib. They traded for Peters who has some long term risks of character and decline. They gave a lot more money than other teams would have to Gurley (long term injury risk) and Cooks (perhaps too soft to merit his contract, but the best receiver they could get for now). If they let Donald hold out or force a trade or release, his loss counters many of those gains, and all the $50+ million they have invested short term in those players is perhaps flushed down the toilet. You cannot ‘win now’ with a free agent and trade spending spree while taking a moral stand to allow a holdout of your best player. You are either all in, or you are playing smart for the long term. It would be like if the Warriors signed Kevin Durant and then decided to fight Steph Curry in a holdout, it does not add up.

    I generally agree with most of what you said except the first sentence. As much as he deserves to be the highest paid defender in football he has ZERO leverage here. He is under contract and the Rams could tag him a few times after that contract is up. At the end of the day he plays for the Rams or he plays for no one if they choose to go that route.

  23. For the most part, Donald has been playing on a crappy team so everyone saying trade him to one….he already knows what that’s like. Rams went out and bought a ton of players just so they could tell Aaron ‘sorry, we just can’t give you all that money’ and now are trying to publicly shame him into signing on the cheap. Don’t do it AD. There is no ‘meet in the middle’ if one guy wants retribution for past seasons by asking for market value now while his team is trying to get you for .70 on the 1.00 still!

  24. Actually Suh messed it up for everyone …he played great his contract year got that HUGH 100 million dollar deal then was never really the dominate player he once was . Maybe he just stopped trying because he already got payed or the other excuses is he gets double teamed a lot. Guess what he’s always been double teamed his whole career . Now Donald and Mack want the same deal or more but its looking like a stalemate and teams will just tag and bag them !!!

    Its a bulletproof business roll of the cash flow dice … or guaranteed money rehab !!

  25. Aaron Donald might be the best player in the history of the NFL. Yet, because of the position he plays, the Rams went 4-12 with him in 2016.

  26. For all of you that are ripping on the Rams…they offered him 21 mill a year and he turned it down!!! If any of you would have no problem with your favorite team paying the 25 mil he supposedly wants, either you’re telling a lie or you have no idea how positional players should properly be paid.

  27. ramrene , don’t think Donald would have any problem playing in Siberia after all his experience playing for the traveling circus of a franchise called the Rams .

  28. If Fletcher Cox who was the 3rd rated DT in the NFL last year is making $17 million this year then Donald who was the top Rated DT last year has to want $18-20 million.

  29. Die hard Rams fan here, just getting that out of the way, people please, quit crying about cap space, THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY, there is always money somewhere. The problem is, AD99 wants QB money, and the truth is, he wont get it. He’s a D-line man, is he worth QB money, maybe, but at this point this is just ridiculous. I guess being the highest paid defensive player in the league at 21M per year for 4 years just isn’t enough anymore. Even as a fan, this is getting tiring, but I do see both sides, meet in the middle and win the Trophy in February already!!!

  30. James Jackson says:
    August 2, 2018 at 12:24 pm
    […] he just looks like a regular fat guy with his shirt off which is a good thing because it means his strength and ability is more natural, and not just a byproduct of being a workout warrior.

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    Huh?? You thinking Aaron Donald or Ronald McDonald.

  31. There’s nothing anywhere that says your other team business has to come screeching to a halt because your DT is trying to squeeze you for QB money.

    Rams brought in Suh because NT was a hole in their starting lineup most of last season. They brought in Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib to replace Trumaine Johnson and Kayvon Webster. Brought in Brandin Cooks to replace Sammy Watkins.

    Rams “lose their locker room” over that, it wasn’t much of a locker room to begin with.

  32. I wonder what Donald is asking for.

    I see the logic in some saying that you can’t pay a D lineman that much money. But on the other hand, as an Eagles fan, they absolutely would not have had the year they did last year without Fletcher Cox, who is on a $100m contract. As it stands now, he’s worth every penny.

  33. Weird how they will overpay for players that have never played a down for their team, yet won’t pay for one that they’ve seen played better than anyone else the last 3 years.

  34. Well they like to over pay average at best receivers when they have a bunch of average receivers.
    Can’t sign the top player at his position because of the average wide receivers they over pay……..Brandin Cooks is getting paid!!!! Big A.D. not so much

    Totally Logical!

    Rams Football!

  35. Let me start by saying I love Aaron Donald. I think he is the best defensive player in the league regardless of position. That being said, he was reportedly offered $21M/year, but it was said his agents were insulted by that offer and they want north of $25M/year. There is no way the Rams can or should pay that. They are willing to make him the highest paid defensive player ever. He just wants more. They are right to stick to their guns. Again I love him, but he needs to be more reasonable, or else they will keep him year to year with the tag or trade him.

  36. I see a lot of ignorant comments “cut him so he see’s his real value” “they pay the other guys but not him” “stringing him along is dangerous” First off they’ve offered him 21 MILLION a year, secondly he’s on the final year of his ROOKIE contract, so the salary cap this year doesn’t matter, next year they have close to 90 Million available, so they are not in any Salary Cap bind either! Rams have demonstrated they are willing to pay players at some point it becomes about Donald, and I hate to say that as I love having him on the team and don’t want to see him go anywhere for a while

  37. I see Rams fans saying “He was offered 21M a year and he turned it down” as some form of defense for their teams’ inability to get Donald signed. We all know that the yearly total makes little difference and it’s the guaranteed money that players/agents care about.

    The Rams could offer 30m a season but if only 20m is guaranteed then the player will be insulted by that offer. My guess is, in the end, he will sign and we will learn the demands weren’t all that bad, but likely increased when they went on their spending spree. They should have signed Donald before anyone else. They’d not have these issues had they made him the priority.

  38. Not going to bother naming names, but to compare Aaron Donald to Albert Bleeping Haynesworth is just outright profanity… One is the best at his position two years running known for his work ethic, and the other is Albert Bleeping Haynesworth… fraud, t-word if anyone ever deserved to be called one, never-in-any-way-close-to Aaron Donald at any time in any way on or off the field. You just disqualified yourself from any serious consideration with that equivalency.

  39. I’m a player’s advocate in a league with very few guarantees in terms of long term money. This franchise tag and 5th year option on a player gives the team all of the leverage, especially in Donald’s case! The franchise tag was designed to give both sides an opportunity to work out a long term deal but teams abuse it by threatening to, or having the leverage to use it multiple years. Donald is locked in for three more years before the tag blows the team’s cap up. (Realistically, the Rams cap is blown up for the foreseeable future.)

    They need to change the franchise tag to a one time per player’s career option. If it was your son, brother, father, or relative out there, you’d want them to have their own leverage to negotiate the best contract for themselves. It’s their bodies out there and it takes only one play to end their career.

  40. This is another example of agents ruining sports. Agents are a cancer and should be eliminated from the game. Aaron Donald is a great DT, but he needs to accept the offer and go with the flow. The Rams are going to have to pay Goff mega bucks when his rookie deal is up. With the salary cap, you can pay everybody. A DT isn’t as important as other positions.

  41. “My guess is, in the end, he will sign and we will learn the demands weren’t all that bad, but likely increased when they went on their spending spree. They should have signed Donald before anyone else. They’d not have these issues had they made him the priority.”

    Donald was a holdout all last offseason and again this year, but yes, the Gurley/Cooks contracts are why he’s not signing.

    PFT posters continue to clamor for the Rams to act in the near sighted and fiscally irresponsible manner they’d never accept from their own team, and we all know why.

  42. You’re not going to trade donald and get a pair of #1s. Have to consider the contract demands that come along with him. He would maybe go for a 2nd rounder right now. And that would be to a win-now contender only.

  43. itsalwaysabout says:
    August 2, 2018 at 1:22 pm
    I would love to see what would happen if all these “pay the man!” guys actually ran a business.

    Sooner or later you run out of other people’s money

    =================================

    lol. thats almost exactly what happened to america from 2009 to 2017. thank god a real business man took the reins back.

  44. Why even bother with contracts anymore? If the player thinks he’s worth more, he doesn’t honor the contract anyway.

    ……

    In general, it’s the teams that don’t honor contracts and cut players before their contracts are done. It’s why the guaranteed money is so important.

    Secondly, Donald is on a rookie contract over which he had little say, and has clearly surpassed what he’s being paid. So this is not the case of a guy negotiating his rate and then wanting more a year or two later.

    Had teams not gone nuts with QB pay, he probably would have accepted $21mm/yr if the guaranteed $ were enough. But players are saying hey, if those guys are getting more, we should get more, too. The league did it to themselves.

  45. Well, he can only hold out until week 8, and lose 1/2 a year’s money this year, and the same next year, and the year after. Then they will let him walk, so they can resign Goff. So hold out as much as you can. Play for 1/2 of $14mill next year, instead of playing for all of $20mill. Like he’s gonna miss that money. Only thing the loss of 8 game checks gonna mean to him is declaring bankruptcy 4yrs after he retires, instead of the full 5.

    P.S. Everyone knows that if he signed a 4yr deal tomorrow, that in 3 yrs, after being paid the bulk of the money on a front loaded contract, he’s gonna be cryin that he’s under paid and holdout again w/ 2yrs left on his deal. Guy is gonna be a bigger PITA for the Rams than Revis was for the Jets. Run him through the Franchis tag gauntlet, then hold the door open for him and “wish him well in his future endeavors.”

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