Martellus Bennett: Aaron Rodgers has the best arm, but Tom Brady is easier to play with

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Martellus Bennett, the tight end who retired from the NFL this year after playing for both the Patriots and the Packers last year, had an interesting comparison of the two teams quarterbacks.

Bennett told Doug Gotlieb that Rodgers throws the ball better than anyone, but Brady is the better quarterback.

“I think that no one has more arm talent than Aaron,” Bennett said. “Aaron can pretty much do anything with the ball. I feel like Tom Brady is precise, easier to play with. It was easier to play with Tom than anybody else.”

Bennett said Brady has the leadership you want in a quarterback and that makes the difference.

“He makes the game easy, what he expects, where he wants you to be, where he’s putting the ball, he does so many repetitions with you, mental reps, physical reps, walk-through, he’s always letting you know,” Bennett said of Brady. “He communicates the best of what he expects. The communication between him and the receiver is on the highest level: What you like to do, what he likes to throw, if you ask him to do something he’ll try it.”

Bennett’s description pretty well sums up what most observers would say: Rodgers, at his best, throws a football better than anyone. Brady has accomplished more than anyone else to play the quarterback position.

208 responses to “Martellus Bennett: Aaron Rodgers has the best arm, but Tom Brady is easier to play with

  1. Brady teaches and coaches his teammates. Rodgers expects his teammates to be prepared and let’s the coaches to do the coaching. It’s hard to be critical of either one of them.

  2. Yes, Brady has rings, but he is not the GOAT. Aaron is a much better QB.
    I think Brady is great, but not the greatest. I am not putting down anything that the Patriots have accomplished in the past several years, they are a true dynasty. However, it is a team sport. Belicheck knows this better than any coach and has proven it.
    But when it comes to pure talent. Aaron Rodgers is a better QB.

  3. … and Marty is exactly the kind of hard-working, team-oriented player that everyone would want to get in the trenches with.

  4. Oh, I see, now Martellus Bennett is an expert analyst. It would have anything to do with the chaos he created and left behind, would it? Nah.

  5. Hardly a secret. I’ve said the same myself in PFT posts as have others. Anyone (outside of troll land) can see that Rodgers is (or at least was, pre-injury) a fantastic passer with a prettier deep ball than anyone. But there’s far more to being a QB than throwing, and Brady is a superior leader to all other QBs, a better tactician and better at reading D and pocket awareness, better at protecting himself and his catchers from unnecessary head-on hits, and far better at keeping his ego and criticisms of others in check.

  6. This is something we already knew, Brady is a great QB and a great leader, Rodgers is a great QB and a mediocre leader. There’s a reason why Brady has all those rings and Rodgers will end up with only 1. Rodgers is already throwing his rookie wideouts under the bus, Brady would never have done that, and that’s the difference between a me first guy and a leader.

  7. BangBoatWhizzinatorCateringIncidentRinglessLosers says:
    August 9, 2018 at 7:25 am
    I’ll take what Martellus Bennett says with a grain of salt about anybody. He didn’t get along with teammates or coaches in Chicago & flat out quit when he was in Green Bay. His legacy is a bad work ethic, a distraction, posting mediocre numbers and having a turd for a brother.

    ——————-
    So you are saying Bennett is so hard to work with all those folks could not do it. But apparently Brady could. His aporoach to the job and leadership enabled him to succeed with guys others cannot. Not even Bennett was able to question how Brady operates with his team to lead them. Its an important factor because it leads directly to winning games and championships which lets all remember is the entire point of the exercise.

  8. Marty is a different kind of cat but it’s hard to argue this one with him. Rodgers is as physically gifted a QB as I’ve ever seen. Brady has made some pedestrian receivers look extraordinary, Deion Branch and Reche Caldwell come to mind.

  9. Marty gets bitched out by Rodgers for not going all out on plays and this is what he comes up with? who cares,they are both great HOF qbs.maybe Marty can give the presentation in Canton for both of them.

  10. Pretty much nailed that one Marty, if only Rodgers arm could be grafted onto the body of a real human being….

  11. Cue all the experts that know better than Marty because of A) His politics or B) Their own maniacal anti-Brady bias.

    I’m a million miles to the right of the Bennett Brothers’ social agenda, but I’m not going to be a clown and call his observations unqualified. Don’t embarrass yourselves either.

  12. jdreed68 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 7:25 am
    Yes, Brady has rings, but he is not the GOAT. Aaron is a much better QB.
    I think Brady is great, but not the greatest. I am not putting down anything that the Patriots have accomplished in the past several years, they are a true dynasty. However, it is a team sport. Belicheck knows this better than any coach and has proven it.
    But when it comes to pure talent. Aaron Rodgers is a better QB.

    ——————
    Lol. Its always fun the people that say sure the other guy is more effective, but my guy is better. Its the mantra of runner ups everywhere.Rodgers is a less effective QB than Brady. Hate it all you want but Brady has proven himself the best with on field results, Rodgers has not. No amount of fanboy love can change that.

  13. Bennett has the biggest mouth, but many tight ends are better receivers, blockers, and teammates.

  14. jdreed68 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 7:25 am
    Yes, Brady has rings, but he is not the GOAT. Aaron is a much better QB.
    I think Brady is great, but not the greatest. I am not putting down anything that the Patriots have accomplished in the past several years, they are a true dynasty. However, it is a team sport. Belicheck knows this better than any coach and has proven it.
    But when it comes to pure talent. Aaron Rodgers is a better QB.-

    That’s why Brady is the GOAT. More rings with less gifted talent. What Rodgers does by natural ability Brady had to work for. But that’s just throwing a football. There’s a bit more to the game than last second Hail Mary passes.

  15. Rodgers, at his best, throws a football better than anyone. That is true, while he is younger than Tom and has not played as many games as Tom ( due to bench sitting behind Favre for a couple years) Yet to this day…he has only won one super bowl.

    Brady has accomplished more than anyone else to play the quarterback position. That is the fact. He has Accomplished more with less and why?? Because he coaches up players to a level they have never been to before… and when they leave Tom they revert to old form.. and never quite reach the same level again.

    This says it all…………….

    Tom Brady GOAT…. Aaron Rodgers… HOF QB no doubt

  16. commentawaitingdeletion says:
    August 9, 2018 at 7:52 am
    Marty is a different kind of cat but it’s hard to argue this one with him. Rodgers is as physically gifted a QB as I’ve ever seen. Brady has made some pedestrian receivers look extraordinary, Deion Branch and Reche Caldwell come to mind.
    —————————————————————–

    On the one hand I understand your point, OTOH I saw Reche Caldwell play while he was with the Patriots and other teams, and he was never extraordinary. He was, however, serviceable with the Patriots right up until the time he dropped very catchable passes in the AFC championship game.

  17. zappyzuke says:
    August 9, 2018 at 7:19 am
    Does anyone care what the race baiter says? No.
    ________________________________________________________

    You don’t have to agree with his political/social issues. But it is silly to disregard his knowledge on a football field – his opinion is extremely valid as he has played with both players. Just because you don’t like someone for their political beliefs, does not mean you have to turn a deaf ear to them or treat them subhuman.

  18. It’s laughable how many of the Viking trolls responding to this “news,” would fall all over themselves, giddy with delight, if Rodgers were playing for the Vikings.

    What a bunch of obsessed, preoccupied fight-pickers, with nothing better to do in their lonely lives.

    They actually believe they know the man, with their presumptive and assumptive “conclusions.”

    None of them have faith in Guaranteed Cousins, and who could blame them?

    Jealous much?

  19. It is so funny, so funny and nauseating to watch Packer fans flip-flop.

    They have no problem waving their titles in peoples faces, telling people Bart Starr was the only 3 peat guy for titles . But when it comes to Aaron, it’s a team game.

    Cousins hasn’t won a playoff game? Packers fans say he stinks. Rodgers loses a playoff game….packers fans say its a team game.

    This ladies and gents is the most hypocritical fan base in all of sports.

    You cannot debate a packer fan, if they are losing on the point, they change the argument.

    They did this when Favre went o the Vikings. They called him Brent and said he lost all the games for the Packers in the playoffs- ALL his fault, but when they lose now, it’s a TEAM game(which is what they said when Favre was still in GB- funny how that works).

    I wish I didn’t have to live in the center of these nitwits, but I do.

  20. countyk66ers says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:04 am
    Marty was good at dropping footballs thrown to his hands last year in Green Bay.

    ————
    And yet he caught them repeatedly in NE

  21. billtetley53 says:

    August 9, 2018 at 8:22 am

    It is so funny, so funny and nauseating to watch Packer fans flip-flop
    —————————–
    Nothing says nervous viking fan like this meltdown rant! Love it. Bring on Cousins!!

  22. This ladies and gents is the most hypocritical fan base in all of sports.

    You cannot debate a packer fan, if they are losing on the point, they change the argument.
    ——
    Salty Viking fan says what? Gimme a break and worry about your own team.

  23. “Easier to play with…”
    I thought the Pats fans were proud the team was more difficult to play for. Now the Pats fans are cheering that fact that St. Thomas is easier to play for….

  24. .
    It’s said that nobody in NFL history threw a better ball than former journeyman QB Jeff George.
    .

  25. “TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:00 am
    Brady wins postseason games, Rodgers usually finds a way to choke in them.

    Brady > Rodgers (it’s not even close)”

    You do realize that Rodgers has better stats than Brady in the playoffs, right?

  26. there is more to football than Brady’s “dink and dunk.” Of course it easier when the ball doesn’t go beyond 10 yards.
    #overrated
    #nodeeparmtalent

  27. Frankly I find it weird people even pretend this is a debate. Brady has triple the number of playoff wins as Rodgers — and Rodgers isn’t exactly a spring chicken himself anymore (34, drafted in 2005). If this really were a contest by this point we’d have a bunch of Super Bowls to judge them by since Brady is there every 2 years on average, but Rodgers … isn’t. And Brady routinely does more with less, every year making a bunch of UDFAs and “washed up” old players look like stars. As someone once said, the QB’s job is to win. This is not close.

  28. jman967 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:31 am
    “Easier to play with…”
    I thought the Pats fans were proud the team was more difficult to play for. Now the Pats fans are cheering that fact that St. Thomas is easier to play for….

    Yeah, no one ever said they were “hard to play for”
    It has been said the offense is hard for some players to learn

    Why do you people literally just make things up?

  29. somefans says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:36 am
    there is more to football than Brady’s “dink and dunk.” Of course it easier when the ball doesn’t go beyond 10 yards.
    #overrated
    #nodeeparmtalent

    #lame

  30. You do realize that Rodgers has better stats than Brady in the playoffs, right

    Brady has also played in almost double the playoff games
    So that’s not really a good argument

  31. Rodgers biggest drawback was being saddled with Dom Capers these past several years. GOAT or no GOAT, no championships were being had with that albatross

  32. “Don’t waste your time reading that crap”

    What website was being referenced when this quote made by a NFL player?

  33. One can try to separate the components to satisfy ones belief but to determine “greatness”, at least in this discussion all of the factors need to be addressed. Is Rogers a better athlete than Brady, yes, does he have better physical talents than Brady, again yes.

    Is he a better QB, No.

    Do his records and attributes conclude that he is the best ever, emphatic no.

    Brady may not be the best QB ever but he is in the discussion, Rogers is not even in that discussion.

  34. Tom Brady on Jan 17, 2017: “Well I think he (Aaron Rodgers) does things that no one in the league has ever done or can do, just because of his physical ability. And some of the plays he makes, they’re just phenomenal,” Brady said. “And I’ve seen a lot of them. Not just the throws, the scrambles, he had one in the Giants game … some of the plays yesterday, it’s just his style of play. And he’s been doing that for a while.

    “I always love watching his tape, admiring all the things he can do, because I can’t do many of those things.”

    Asked specifically about the Jared Cook catch, one of the greatest throws you’ll ever see given the stakes and the situation, Brady pointed out that Rodgers makes what should be impossible look “effortless.”

    “I think he makes everything look so simple because he’s got such an efficient delivery. So everything looks effortless with him, which is really the amazing part,” Brady said. “He is definitely working hard, but he’s making hard look easy and I think that’s the amazing part about what he does. It’s a very effortless style he plays with. The velocity of the ball, the placement of the ball, he’s just an incredible player.”

  35. pulpfriction01 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:36 am
    “TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:00 am
    Brady wins postseason games, Rodgers usually finds a way to choke in them.

    Brady > Rodgers (it’s not even close)”

    You do realize that Rodgers has better stats than Brady in the playoffs, right?

    ———–

    Not even close. And in reality there is on only one stat that matters. Wins. Let’s have a look:

    Postseason wins:

    Tom Brady: 27
    Joe Montana: 16
    Terry Bradshaw: 14
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Aaron Rogers: 10

    Not even close

  36. jdreed68 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:11 am
    Coffeehog says:

    August 9, 2018 at 8:00 am

    I am not a fan of either team….But nice try.

    ———————-
    Well sure its no longer right at 8:11. But at the time of my post that was a perfectly correct time stamp.

  37. Brady is awesome. No matter what team you are a fan of, we are all fortunate to watch that level of greatness.

    And it’s fitting that these 2 magnificent QB’s play for two of the best franchises in NFL history.

  38. somefans says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:36 am

    there is more to football than Brady’s “dink and dunk.” Of course it easier when the ball doesn’t go beyond 10 yards.
    #overrated
    #nodeeparmtalent

    ———

    Good thing winning football games has nothing to do with how far you can throw the rock. This isn’t shot put. Watch track and field if you want to decide championships with measuring tape.

  39. Well this is fun. We get to watch the purples duke it out with the Pats haters. Meanwhile, Packer fans and Patriot fans just shake our heads and smile, enjoying the spectacle and thanking sweet little golden baby Jebus for our good fortune.

  40. Flash1287 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:40 am
    You do realize that Rodgers has better stats than Brady in the playoffs, right
    ————
    Brady has also played in almost double the playoff games…
    ——————————————————————-

    Sadly, according to many non-Pats fans on this site, failing to reach the playoffs, or failing to reach the Super Bowl, is better than having good to great success in the playoffs and having your QBR drop by 0.1% in a Championship or Super Bowl game.

  41. pulpfriction01 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:36 am
    “TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:00 am
    Brady wins postseason games, Rodgers usually finds a way to choke in them.

    Brady > Rodgers (it’s not even close)”

    You do realize that Rodgers has better stats than Brady in the playoffs, right?
    Again, did you actually look at the stats? Lets do so.

    Rodgers clearly wins the TD/INT ratio 3.57/2.04, completion percentage by 64.8/62.9 and yards by 253/266/playoff game started.

    Brady clearly wins,
    Passing TDs 53/25
    Winnnig % -724/583 and the big one
    Super Bowls – 5/3 vs 1-0

    So to sum up, Rodgers is a smidgy bit better in a few stats but Brady is far, far ahead in the important stats. Since winning is a tiny bit more important that padding personal stats.

  42. uncommon1 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 7:23 am
    Brady teaches and coaches his teammates. Rodgers expects his teammates to be prepared and let’s the coaches to do the coaching. It’s hard to be critical of either one of them.

    ——————-

    I don’t agree with this at all. Yoy never hear of WRs being cut left and right in GB with Rodgers getting WRS fired. Same with Brees in NOs. New and young WRs get in there and they end up working out.

    In NE, with Brady, no one has gone through more WRs with Brady the perfectionist telling BB who he likes and who he doesn’t like.

    Don’t be fooled.

  43. He could’ve dominated the TE position last year. If aaron would’ve took better care of himself and not fallen on the ground so hard, the chemistry of them two could’ve skyrocketed. But, it didn’t. Now, all we have to rely on is martellus’ professional opinion. Brady’s the best.

  44. Rodgers biggest drawback was being saddled with Dom Capers these past several years.
    ———
    If you want to see something weird, check where Dom Capers coached before he came to GB. LOL.

  45. Don,Susan,Arty,Leo & Sandy……That is the order of co-worker’s from easiest to hardest to work with at my job…I am sure that everyone cares about as much as M. Bennett’s opinions of his former coworkers.

  46. This may be the first time I agreed with anything said by a Bennett.

    Both QBs are great. I can’t help but wonder how much better Rodgers’ career would have been had he been coached by BB rather than MM. BB and Brady make each other better — in WI it’s pretty much a none way street — Rodgers makes MM better.

  47. somefans says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:36 am
    there is more to football than Brady’s “dink and dunk.” Of course it easier when the ball doesn’t go beyond 10 yards.
    #overrated
    #nodeeparmtalent
    ———-
    Yet Brady led the league in completed passes 40+ yards, top 5 in 25+, top 5 in yards per completion, top 3 in completion percentage yet most passes attempted, led the league in overall yards, top 3 in TDs, etc….

    I think you get the point. It’s 2018, it cannot be any easier in today’s age of numbers and technology to look up actual numbers on any player.

    I guess “some fans” will never get it and just regurgitate false narratives in life to somehow make themselves feel better. Oh well.

  48. pulpfriction01 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:36 am
    “TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:00 am
    Brady wins postseason games, Rodgers usually finds a way to choke in them.

    Brady > Rodgers (it’s not even close)”

    You do realize that Rodgers has better stats than Brady in the playoffs, right?

    ——————
    Now wait a minute. If not making it into the playoffs counts higher than getting there and not winning the Superbowl then dont a lot of guys have better stats than either of them?

  49. somefans says:

    August 9, 2018 at 8:36 am

    there is more to football than Brady’s “dink and dunk.” Of course it easier when the ball doesn’t go beyond 10 yards.
    #overrated
    #nodeeparmtalent

    ===========

    Too bad Brady has been top 5 in YPA last two years and was 2nd in NFL last year on completions over 20 yards.

  50. nhpats says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:58 am
    pulpfriction01 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:36 am
    “TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:00 am
    Brady wins postseason games, Rodgers usually finds a way to choke in them.

    Brady > Rodgers (it’s not even close)”

    You do realize that Rodgers has better stats than Brady in the playoffs, right?

    ———–

    Not even close. And in reality there is on only one stat that matters. Wins. Let’s have a look:

    Postseason wins:

    Tom Brady: 27
    Joe Montana: 16
    Terry Bradshaw: 14
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Aaron Rogers: 10

    Not even close
    —-/—
    This doesn’t even consider all of the first round byes Brady has helped the Pats get during his tenure (not saying divisional rounds are gimme wins but they are/should be easier on the whole).

    I’ll point out that Rodgers is a great QB, and minus wins (just for arguments sake) his personal passing stats are better than Brady per game. Where Rodgers lacks is getting his team TO the playoffs consistently. The packers seem to have these stretches of games/ weeks where they play terrible football. Leadership can help in those stretches and Aaron doesn’t have it.

    This all reminds me of the Peyton Vs Tom arguments. Both are great, both 1st ballot. But here we are now talking about Aaron vs. Tom. See the one constant? I sure do.

    Tom is #1 with too many numbers in his favor not to admit it. What people SHOULD be arguing is Aaron vs Brees, they are more on Par with one another where somehow, Brees doesn’t get as much love. He’s done as much if not more than Rodgers to this point, very strange he is never mentioned through all the Brady, Manning and Rodgers talk.

  51. Rodgers is a better scrambler than Brady, that’s it. Brady has a great deep ball, doesn’t have to throw up hail maty’s to be talked about. Rodgers is good, there is no doubt about that, but I’ll take the QB that doesn’t throw his teammates under the bus all the time, the QB that doesn’t try to act like he is also the GM of the team, and the QB that takes blame for mistakes. I’d take Brady any day of the week, and especially twice on Sunday’s.

    #BradyGoat

  52. billtetley53 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:22 am
    I wish I didn’t have to live in the center of these nitwits, but I do.
    ///////////////////////////////

    YOU wish? That’s an understatement.

  53. Brady is better than Rodgers… That should elicit a collective, “Well, duh…”

    Both are great quarterbacks and both are great leaders, but I doubt there are too many people who would ever even attempt to argue that Rodgers is better than Brady.

  54. Funny that people that still use team wins as a barometer for how great a QB is. And of course, the bogus “Brady does more with less”. The Colts and Broncos went from Super Bowl contenders to losing records after Manning retired. The Packers had to go to overtime to beat the Cleveland Browns without Rodgers. The Patriots still win without Brady.

  55. The only thing that bothers me about this article is uninvolved Viking trolls trying to pick fights, as usual.

  56. Brady has the best feel of the pocket of anyone who has played the game and seems to know exactly how long he has to find receivers where they are supposed to be. He leaves very few plays on the field. Rodgers has a better arm and greater mobility, but his game is a bit more chaotic. I love watching both of them and both are among the best ever.

  57. rideforjesus says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:09 am
    Rodgers, at his best, throws a football better than anyone. That is true, while he is younger than Tom and has not played as many games as Tom ( due to bench sitting behind Favre for a couple years) Yet to this day…he has only won one super bowl.

    Also, Brady didn’t start right away as he sat behind Bledsoe.

  58. jdreed68 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 7:25 am
    Yes, Brady has rings, but he is not the GOAT. Aaron is a much better QB.
    I think Brady is great, but not the greatest. I am not putting down anything that the Patriots have accomplished in the past several years, they are a true dynasty. However, it is a team sport. Belicheck knows this better than any coach and has proven it.
    But when it comes to pure talent. Aaron Rodgers is a better QB.

    From an Eagles Fan who actually watched the superbowl, Brady is the GOAT. You don’t put up 500 yrds in the Superbowl if you are not. When was the last time Rodgers did that?

  59. After going up 21-0…
    Gabriel: “ Its Tom Brady though”

    Still down 16 points with only minyptes to go
    Blount: “We got Tom Brady. We got Tom Brady. We get into OT, it’s over with.”

    Rodgers does not have opponents still nervous even when they are up big. Rodgers does not make his team still feel confident even when they are down fairly big with time running out. And these are the real things that change games.

  60. This Tells us who is better. Aaron continually bypasses on time within structure throws to extend and possibly create big sandlot plays… this comes at a cost though.

  61. Rodgers does not have opponents still nervous even when they are up big. Rodgers does not make his team still feel confident even when they are down fairly big with time running out. And these are the real things that change games.
    ======

    Rodgers splits;

    QB rating in tie games – 106.0
    QB rating when trailing – 98.0

    The Packers defense hasn’t been able to control games since 2010.

  62. “there is more to football than Brady’s “dink and dunk.” Of course it easier when the ball doesn’t go beyond 10 yards.”

    Brady was #1 in the league last season in completions of 40+ yards in the air, and #3 in completions of 20+ yards in the air. Your statements are false, plain and simple.

  63. jdreed68 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 7:25 am

    Yes, Brady has rings, but he is not the GOAT. Aaron is a much better QB.
    I think Brady is great, but not the greatest. I am not putting down anything that the Patriots have accomplished in the past several years, they are a true dynasty. However, it is a team sport. Belicheck knows this better than any coach and has proven it.
    But when it comes to pure talent. Aaron Rodgers is a better QB.
    ——————————————–

    Silly- Talent doesn’t qualify ANYONE for GOAT status.

    Jay Cutler and Ryan Mallet have stronger talent/arms and athleticism than Brady- guess what, Cutler and Mallet also have better arms than Montana and Manning. Who are you going to choose?

    Marino had more “talent” than most- GOAT- No.

    Elway was the MUCH better talent than Montana, and did considerably more with less than Montana- who chooses Elway over Montana?

    I love Rodgers, and agree he throws the ball better than anyone- but not even close to being better than Brady. Rodgers has had more than enough talent, and more than enough years in a weak division (up and coming now though)to at least make it to another Superbowl, and certainly should be getting a LOT MORE home field playoff games- the Lambeau advantage is HUGE.

    Brady has stats AND Playoff and Superbowls in the beginning, middle and end of his career- that is unprecedented.

  64. It comes down to their innate personalities. Brady is comfortable being a leader. Rodgers is a highly intelligent almost genius level intellect but one who has harbored negative emotions in his persona.

  65. Elway was the MUCH better talent than Montana, and did considerably more with less than Montana- who chooses Elway over Montana?
    =====

    The two best that I’ve seen.

  66. somefans says:

    August 9, 2018 at 8:36 am

    there is more to football than Brady’s “dink and dunk.” Of course it easier when the ball doesn’t go beyond 10 yards.
    #overrated
    #nodeeparmtalent
    ————————————–
    I dislike Brady more than any other player in the league and even I can say this has to be the most moronic comment today. Maybe all week. Who cares how far the ball travels, it still has to reach the endzone. Wins, Rings, HOF. What else matters?

  67. Brady has accomplished more than anyone else to play the quarterback position.

    ————

    That’s true. However, what Bennett actually said is that Brady’s non-physical QB skills are better than Rodgers.

    I think Brady’s arm is underrated. He can still throw it long and his accuracy on short and mid range passes is unreal. His throwing ability is not as good as Rodgers, but still elite.

    Scrambling ability is totally different between the two. Brady can’t do anything out of the pocket, but moves in the pocket better than any QB in history. Rodgers is like a Montana or better. Both very effective.

    Brady has a clear advantage in non-physical skills, but also 10 more years of experience. Rodgers is great and getting better. Look at his snap count work. Amazing.

    I think Rodgers maybe isn’t as good a leader. That is just based on what we see in the public and what players say. Not necessarily true, but that’s what I observe.

    Is Rodgers coachable? Does he love to be coached? Not sure. I am sure Brady has those traits.

    I don’t think any team would complain with either at QB.

  68. purpleguy says:
    August 9, 2018 at 9:18 am
    This may be the first time I agreed with anything said by a Bennett.

    Both QBs are great. I can’t help but wonder how much better Rodgers’ career would have been had he been coached by BB rather than MM. BB and Brady make each other better — in WI it’s pretty much a none way street — Rodgers makes MM better.

    ————————
    If you go to the training camps you watch Belichick get on every little detail with every player. He does it the same way with every player, no star coddling, no stroking. He lays it out what it is and what guys have to correct or do better. This does sometimes result in him dressing down Brady right there on the field. He does not cuss, belittle, or call names or anything, but he is very to the point and no sugur coating takes place. Its very blunt. Sometimes Brady even has to take a lap. When Belichick does this Brady does not sulk, recoil or do anything but nod and listen with a ‘thanks for bringing this to my attention’ attitude. If he has to take a lap he does not sulk and poke slowly around the field, he runs it. Then he gets right into working hard to address whatever got brought up to him. (Which is how he went from a 6th round fluer to what he is today).

    I just cant see Rodgers being able to work that way. Sure he has earned his spurs no question, but playing under Belichick means those spurs one earned still have to be left home. No diva.

    BTW, Belichick was this way with Bennett too, and Bennett responded the same way. I get it other coaches were not able to get that from him and I fault Bennett for that more than those coaches. But still the fact remains that Belichick could and did.

  69. Something tells me Aaron is going to be saying at the end of this year that Jimmy Graham is a better TE than Martellus. Or Jared Cook before him.

  70. aarons444 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 10:08 am
    Brady vs Rodgers.. How many times has each played on a Top 10 scoring defense?
    ======
    BINGO!

    ———–

    No bingo.

    Brady has a huge impact on that defenses ability to keep the score down. Brady is one of the few QBs in history that can use a short passing strategy all the way down the field and control a game without turning the ball over. He limits the opportunities for the opposing QB.

    The Patriots were 5th in 2017 in points allowed. Was their defense great?

    Brady does a lot to help them.

  71. billtetley53 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:22 am
    It is so funny, so funny and nauseating to watch Packer fans flip-flop.

    They have no problem waving their titles in peoples faces, telling people Bart Starr was the only 3 peat guy for titles . But when it comes to Aaron, it’s a team game.

    Cousins hasn’t won a playoff game? Packers fans say he stinks. Rodgers loses a playoff game….packers fans say its a team game.

    This ladies and gents is the most hypocritical fan base in all of sports.

    You cannot debate a packer fan, if they are losing on the point, they change the argument.

    They did this when Favre went o the Vikings. They called him Brent and said he lost all the games for the Packers in the playoffs- ALL his fault, but when they lose now, it’s a TEAM game(which is what they said when Favre was still in GB- funny how that works).

    I wish I didn’t have to live in the center of these nitwits, but I do.

    ———————————–

    Remember when Favre threw that pick in the NFC Title Game against the Saints? I sure do.
    Was that a “team loss” or did he lose the game? I’m guessing the debacle against the Eagles last year was a team loss, right? Just want to get your perspective on this since you seem to have such clarity.

  72. Something tells me Aaron is going to be saying at the end of this year that Jimmy Graham is a better TE than Martellus. Or Jared Cook before him.
    ======

    You should ask Seahawk fans if they would say the same……..

  73. Remember when Favre threw that pick in the NFC Title Game against the Saints? I sure do.
    Was that a “team loss” or did he lose the game?
    =====

    Peterson fumbled that game away.

    Favre never should have been in that position.

  74. In general isn’t a pocket passer always easier (for both offensive and defensive)?

    Because with a pocket QB, the ball is in the pocket so just adjust to the pocket, where with a mobile QB, you must first find the QB and adjust to that location.

    Plus Rodgers holds the ball longer looking for a big play, making both sides work longer, where Brady isn’t as mobile and is willing to hit the first open guy he sees.

    So basically I think Martellus is just complaining about having to work with a mobile QB (and how it’s more work) vs a pocket passer.

  75. edrooneyjr says:
    August 9, 2018 at 10:25 am
    I think Brady is great. But don’t forget people like YA Tittle and other older players when talking about who has accomplished the most

    ————-

    Brady has accomplished the most. There’s nobody in history that can keep up now.

    That’s including setting aside the obvious truth that current players are more highly trained and the game strategy has become so complex.

  76. Classic distinction between a quarterback and a passer. A quarterback is more cerebral and thinks about what he needs to do. A passer relies more on his physical ability. Dan Marino is one of the best passers in NFL history. Johnny Unitas is one of the best quarterbacks.

  77. The Bennetts are not known for their brain-power. Or their honesty. Or their ability to stick with one team more than a single season. Please run from a cop… and soon!

  78. QB Film Room says:
    August 9, 2018 at 10:06 am

    This Tells us who is better. Aaron continually bypasses on time within structure throws to extend and possibly create big sandlot plays… this comes at a cost though.
    ———————-

    What?

  79. binkystevens says:
    August 9, 2018 at 10:33 am
    billtetley53 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:22 am
    It is so funny, so funny and nauseating to watch Packer fans flip-flop.
    They have no problem waving their titles in peoples faces, telling people Bart Starr was the only 3 peat guy for titles . But when it comes to Aaron, it’s a team game.
    Cousins hasn’t won a playoff game? Packers fans say he stinks. Rodgers loses a playoff game….packers fans say its a team game.
    This ladies and gents is the most hypocritical fan base in all of sports.
    You cannot debate a packer fan, if they are losing on the point, they change the argument.
    They did this when Favre went o the Vikings. They called him Brent and said he lost all the games for the Packers in the playoffs- ALL his fault, but when they lose now, it’s a TEAM game(which is what they said when Favre was still in GB- funny how that works).
    I wish I didn’t have to live in the center of these nitwits, but I do.
    ———————————–
    Remember when Favre threw that pick in the NFC Title Game against the Saints? I sure do.
    Was that a “team loss” or did he lose the game? I’m guessing the debacle against the Eagles last year was a team loss, right? Just want to get your perspective on this since you seem to have such clarity.

    ———-

    If the Patriots had 1 stop any time in the 4th quarter they probably have the lead and the ball at the end. It is generous to call it a team loss. It really was about 97% on the defense. I think we can forgive Brady for being the first offense to have more than 600 yards in a game and lose.

  80. “Bennett’s description pretty well sums up what most observers would say: Rodgers, at his best, throws a football better than anyone. Brady has accomplished more than anyone else to play the quarterback position.”
    ————————————-
    Your summation isn’t what Bennett said at all. Brady ‘accomplished more’ while true, sounds as if you want to emphasize that Brady is just along for the team ride. Bennett instead emphasized Brady’s leadership and playing style.

  81. nationalfishingleague says:
    August 9, 2018 at 10:43 am
    In general isn’t a pocket passer always easier (for both offensive and defensive)?

    Because with a pocket QB, the ball is in the pocket so just adjust to the pocket, where with a mobile QB, you must first find the QB and adjust to that location.

    Plus Rodgers holds the ball longer looking for a big play, making both sides work longer, where Brady isn’t as mobile and is willing to hit the first open guy he sees.

    Ya, after going through the progressions of 3-4 other receivers who aren’t open. Do you actually watch games or just follow fantasy stats? Mobility is misunderstood. Brady is as mobile as a QB needs to be, unless you like having your QB out a few games every season b/c he’s in love with his own feet.

  82. When trailing in a big game, facing adversity, needing to bring your team back, nobody in their right mind would pick Rodgers, or anyone, over Brady. that’s the difference. Rodgers falls short with the money on the table too often. Stats are for losers

  83. They conveniently left out a quote from Bennett in this story.
    In the original interview Bennett said, “I had the most fun of my playing career when I played with the Patriots because they focus on football and nothing else”. Shocking that they wouldn’t print that.

  84. zappyzuke says:
    August 9, 2018 at 7:19 am
    Does anyone care what the race baiter says? No.
    ___________________________

    You cared enough to open this article.

  85. omeimontis says:
    August 9, 2018 at 10:55 am
    Classic distinction between a quarterback and a passer. A quarterback is more cerebral and thinks about what he needs to do. A passer relies more on his physical ability. Dan Marino is one of the best passers in NFL history. Johnny Unitas is one of the best quarterbacks.

    ———-

    If you forget the individual and look at the style of play, high flying down field offenses allow the opposing team lots of time on the field and if they sputter they can lose games, particularly in the playoffs against good teams. It has happened so many times in history. Teams that incorporate the run and short passing on a consistent basis control the game better, help their defense and win more games.

    It’s not as pretty, but it works.

  86. I am being objective here. 🙂 Got nothing against Rodgers and he is great.

    However Brady is ahead of him to stay in the QB pecking order.

    Why? One word….health. Hard to show off all that talent and win ballgames and rings when your shoulder and collarbone can’t stay in one piece.

    Unfortunately – I predict his career won’t survive another one of those the next time it happens. Watch.

  87. I like Marty. 🙂

    Don’t forget…he was that close to a Super Bowl winning OT TD catch before James White took it in.

  88. aarons444 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 10:42 am
    Remember when Favre threw that pick in the NFC Title Game against the Saints? I sure do.
    Was that a “team loss” or did he lose the game?
    =====
    Peterson fumbled that game away.
    Favre never should have been in that position.

    —–
    Why DID Brett Favre ponder passing? He could have TAKEN A KNEE AND THEN TRY A 56 YARD FIELD GOAL!

    😉

  89. bullcharger says:
    August 9, 2018 at 10:20 am
    Brady has accomplished more than anyone else to play the quarterback position.
    ————
    That’s true. However, what Bennett actually said is that Brady’s non-physical QB skills are better than Rodgers.
    I think Brady’s arm is underrated. He can still throw it long and his accuracy on short and mid range passes is unreal. His throwing ability is not as good as Rodgers, but still elite.

    ——
    Brady has one of the strongest arms in football.

    It has to be…the Pats offensive system requires it. You need a ton of zip on that ball to get it through the linebackers and also to allow receivers to get YAC.

  90. somefans says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:36 am
    there is more to football than Brady’s “dink and dunk.” Of course it easier when the ball doesn’t go beyond 10 yards.
    #overrated
    #nodeeparmtalent

    ———-

    You are actually wrong about that. It’s harder if the ball doesn’t go beyond 10 yards in many ways. Most QBs can’t keep a drive going or turn the ball over running as many plays as Brady does. That’s why other teams don’t do it. It really takes the pressure off the defense if you can do it, but it’s next to impossible.

    The reason that the Patriots were so good in 2007 was because Brady had both going and could adjust strategy depending on how the defense played them.

    You can also see in the Super Bowl that Philly took the short passing game away from Brady and while Brady found guys open all over the place to the tune of 500 yards passing, they had some stalled drives in the first half and the Patriots defense was exposed because Brady couldn’t hold the ball very long per drive.

  91. binkystevens says:
    August 9, 2018 at 10:33 am

    Remember when Favre threw that pick in the NFC Title Game against the Saints? I sure do.
    Was that a “team loss” or did he lose the game?

    ////////////////////

    That was a “team loss” I don’t think you follow football. Peterson’s fumbles, the defense not showing up in the end. Sure it’s easy to pick one play and say Favre lost the game, but a knowledgeable football fan knows differently.

  92. For those making Rodgers the GOAT just on arm talent alone, you are just obviously a Brady-hater.

    Steph Curry is the greatest shooter of all time, no denying his “shot talent”. But does that make him better than Jordan? No, Jordan is still the GOAT.

  93. Tom is #1 with too many numbers in his favor not to admit it. What people should be arguing is Aaron vs Brees..
    =====

    Brady V Rodgers splits;

    QB rating with lead
    Brady – 101.8
    Rodgers – 107.9

    QB rating when tied
    Brady – 98.5
    Rodgers – 106.0

    QB rating when trailing
    Brady – 90.8
    Rodgers – 98.0

    QB rating in wins
    Brady – 104.9
    Rodgers – 114.3

    QB rating in losses
    Brady – 73.9
    Rodgers – 85.9

    QB rating in games decided by 7 points or fewer (wins and losses)
    Brady – 89.4
    Rodgers – 97.1

    QB rating in games decided by 8-14 points (wins and losses)
    Brady – 88.7
    Rodgers – 102.1

    Rodgers is the better player.

    Brady, while great in his own right, plays for a FAR better organization.

  94. Why DID Brett Favre ponder passing? He could have TAKEN A KNEE AND THEN TRY A 56 YARD FIELD GOAL!
    =====

    Gotta love Paul Allen..

    .. as if he wouldn’t have been screaming if Chilly trotted Longwell out for a 56-yarder?!

  95. Teams that incorporate the run and short passing on a consistent basis control the game better, help their defense and win more games.
    =====

    Mike McCarthy didn’t get that memo…..

  96. Absolutely. And he’s also the only QB in history to play 17 years for one of the greatest coaches and franchises of all time.

    —————————-

    Brady has accomplished the most. There’s nobody in history that can keep up now.

  97. Folks, playing the quarterback position is NOT just about arm talent. What Bennett says is nothing new but the Brady haters just don’t want to admit his greatness. The man is a leader!

  98. “This doesn’t even consider all of the first round byes Brady has helped the Pats get during his tenure (not saying divisional rounds are gimme wins but they are/should be easier on the whole).

    I’ll point out that Rodgers is a great QB, and minus wins (just for arguments sake) his personal passing stats are better than Brady per game. Where Rodgers lacks is getting his team TO the playoffs consistently. The packers seem to have these stretches of games/ weeks where they play terrible football. Leadership can help in those stretches and Aaron doesn’t have it.

    This all reminds me of the Peyton Vs Tom arguments. Both are great, both 1st ballot. But here we are now talking about Aaron vs. Tom. See the one constant? I sure do.

    Tom is #1 with too many numbers in his favor not to admit it. What people SHOULD be arguing is Aaron vs Brees, they are more on Par with one another where somehow, Brees doesn’t get as much love. He’s done as much if not more than Rodgers to this point, very strange he is never mentioned through all the Brady, Manning and Rodgers talk.”

    I’m not saying Tom isn’t number one, but the reply was to somebody who said it wasn’t even close. And per game stats say that not only is it close, but Rodgers, per game, has better averages. I believe he is #4 in NFL history in per game averages behind Bart start, Joe Montana, and another gentleman I can’t remember.

    As far as the “Rodgers lacks getting his team TO the playoffs consistently” comment, then you obviously dont realize that the only time Rodgers didn’t get his team to the playoffs was the first year he started in 2008. He then took the team to the playoffs every year after that until he broke his collar bone. The fact that his per game stats are better than Brady’s in the playoffs indicates that Rodgers isn’t the reason they haven’t won more games. Brady is the greatest of all time. You can’t debate that. But clearly there is something more there because on average, Rodgers has the better stats on that stage. So if you look at it objectively, then what’s the real problem? What’s the real difference? The three most obvious reasons are coaching, defense, and luck. I am disappointed in Robert Kraft, because bill almost gave us the answer. Bill was going to trade Brady and keep Jimmy. If the Patriots would have continued winning, which I’m very confident they would have (I guess bill was too), then we would have seen the truth. Bill>Brady. Bill is what makes the Patriots. Love it or hate it, but it’s the truth.

    The reason it comes back to Brady vs Rodgers is simple. Brady is the GOAT. But Rodgers does what Brady does at the same level Brady does it, while doing things nobody else in the league can do. That’s why the argument exists. Brady is the GOAT. Rodgers is the best QB I have ever seen in my life. Marino was #2. Manning #3. When I watched those guys, they were all just magic. Rodgers in all of his talents, Marino the gun slinger and prototype, and Manning the technician at the LOS. I don’t get that from Brady. He has this subjective intangible called “leadership.” I don’t know how you measure that other than calling him the greatest. But there isn’t a huge difference between any of the greats. Just luck. Brady could just as easily be the greatest Jim kelley of all time with a few bounces the other way. Good luck.

  99. When trailing in a big game, facing adversity, needing to bring your team back, nobody in their right mind would pick Rodgers, or anyone, over Brady. that’s the difference. Rodgers falls short with the money on the table too often. Stats are for losers
    ======

    His first Playoff game – fought back to get to OT after a 31-10 deficit.. D gave up 531 yards in all

    Super Bowl XLV – had to put together a scoring drive to close out the Steelers.. and did

    2014 NFCC Game – 19-7 lead with 3:58 to go, inexplicably blown by a series of errors, Rodgers scored the last time he had the ball

    2 other Playoff games, he scored on his final possession, and watched the defense to fold like a deck chair

    .. sounds a lot like Bradys SB losses, doesn’t it?

  100. I am an unabashed Packers fan, as if my username didn’t give it away. But even with my green & gold glasses on, I can’t deny that Tom Brady is the GOAT. That still doesn’t diminish the greatness of Aaron Rodgers though.

  101. ariani1985 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 7:40 am
    The cheese eaters heads will be exploding today with the news

    —-

    I’m almost disappointed. I thought for sure you’d take a shot at both QBs in the same comment.

  102. “Speak for yourself show will find

    a way to call it Brady slowing down.”

    Brady slowing down at 41. Wow, what an insult. He’s still making Super Bowls, while most guys flame out before they’re 25.

  103. Brady and Rodgers are both very good, and each is the recipient of team-based pros and cons. One has more hardware, and one is more athletic.

    Who cares? They’re both good. It’s like trying to argue between Starr and Unitas. It’s not worth arguing about.

    Those that insist on arguing about it have small brains.

  104. 2011 SB: GB scored with 12 mins left and could only mng 3pts the rest o the game. Defense held off the steelers.

    2012: One and done loss yo the Giants. Scored 20 pts. 78.5 Passer Rating.

    2013: One and done. scored 20 pts.

    2014: Lost to Seattle(who Brady lit up in the SB) Scored 22. 55.8 passer rating

    2015: Lost to Arizona. 20 pts. 77.9 PR

    2016: Lost to Atl(who Brady lit up in the SB). 21 points.

    NOT GOOD ENOUGH

  105. Rodgers postseason record look’s lot more like JFlacco’s than Brady’s, although Flacco’s is a little better

  106. 27-10 vs 9-7 is all you need to know. Brady has played in 21 more playoff gms than Rodgers(37) and one has to scrape arount to find a few bad gms. Rodgers has one every year but one. Also, fromm 2009-2014, GBay had a top 10, often top 5 D in both yrds and pts. There is no argument here.

  107. Brady is 5-3 in Super Bowls. Adam Vinatieri won two of them for him. Seattle won another one for him. Brady also had two incredible plays from the Giants rob him of two wins. Brady could easily be 7-1 and he could easily be 2-5 in Super Bowls.

    Meanwhile, Montana was 4-0 and never threw a pick in the Super Bowl. Montana beat two HOF quarterbacks in the Super Bowl.

    The real GOAT.

  108. Montana was not good enough to get to 8 SBowls only 4. Montana was 4-4 in NFCC gms, Brady is 8-4.That argument is over too.

    After Brady’s 1rst 8 yrs, the same amount Rodgers has started(9-7 1 ring), Brady was 14-5 in the playoffs w/3 rings.

  109. I’m just not an A Rodgers guy. First he is a calif pansy. Any receiver who runs the wrong route, he goes to the sideline and demands they take the guy out the game.
    I still clearly remembering a 5-0 GB team march into KC on their way to the Superbowl (not) and Rogers tossed two picks in the first two possessions and looked less than fair the rest of the game.
    KC figured it out the Rogers was picking zones apart his whole career and they played man and he had a horrid day. Teams that play man and keep him in check for sure.
    Rodgers is a crybaby. If this team goes 8-8 this year I will be shocked.

  110. Not debatable.

    No one needs stats to see who’s better.

    We all know that Belichick is a great coach, but “team” game excuse-makers for the Patriots incredible success make me laugh. There’s no position in sports more important to winning than the quarterback position.

    Rodgers can make an average team very good. Brady makes an average team championship-caliber.

    He just couldn’t hide that horrendous defense in last years Super Bowl. Maybe he can break his own 2 records and throw for 600 yards this year…

  111. Also, fromm 2009-2014, GBay had a top 10, often top 5 D in both yrds and pts. There is no argument here.
    =====

    No.

    2009 – 7th.. then gave up 531 yards in their Playoff loss
    2010 – 2nd
    2011 – 19th.. historically bad in yards allowed, worst ever at the time
    2012 – 11th.. 541 yards allowed in their Playoff loss, 444 to Kaepernick all by himself
    2013 – 24th
    2014 – 13th.. one of the worst implosions in Playoff history, 19-7 lead under 4:00 to go

  112. Montana was not good enough to get to 8 SBowls only 4.
    =====

    Great competition kept him out.

    The 85 Bears, Gibbs and Parcells account for 7 Super Bowls in the Montana-era. 6 Titles.

    .. Belichicks D nearly ended Montana’s career on 2 occasions.

  113. .. the first Montana injury, in 49-3 loss, Walsh went out and got Steve Young.

    After the second, the 9ers shipped Montana off to Kansas City.

    Belichick essentially DID halt Montana’s greatness. He was never the same after that Leonard Marshall hit.

  114. Manning’s Colts/Broncos, Roethlisberger’s Steelers, Ravens historic D’s aren’t exactly tomato cans. Montana beat up on much inferior AFC teams and played on an all star team. AFC was down in that era

  115. “When trailing in a big game, facing adversity, needing to bring your team back, nobody in their right mind would pick Rodgers, or anyone, over Brady. that’s the difference. Rodgers falls short with the money on the table too often. Stats are for losers”

    Stats aren’t for losers. Every year we see the same trend. Every single year, and stats reflect that. Top offense + top defense = playoff success. The better the stats on each side, the better the odds of winning the Superbowl. Every player plays a role in that outcome. People who say stats are for losers are the people who don’t know what it really takes to win. Stats are so much for losers that every NFL team pays for advanced analytics. Both on collegiate prospects and professional players. Why do you think pro football focus and football outsiders are still in business? It would be darn near impossible for every NFL team to accumulate those stats on their own. It takes almost 15 hours to break down a single game. 12 to 16 NFL games a week, plus college… Not possible without those organizations. The NFL is stats. This isn’t the 80’s anymore grandpa.

  116. Manning’s Colts/Broncos, Roethlisberger’s Steelers, Ravens historic D’s aren’t exactly tomato cans. Montana beat up on much inferior AFC teams and played on an all star team. AFC was down in that era
    =====

    He whipped Mannings Colts 2 of 3 times.

    He only played Big Ben once in the block they went to their Super Bowls.

    .. while we’re on the subject of thrashing AFC creampuffs.

  117. billtetley53 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:22 am
    It is so funny, so funny and nauseating to watch Packer fans flip-flop.

    They have no problem waving their titles in peoples faces, telling people Bart Starr was the only 3 peat guy for titles . But when it comes to Aaron, it’s a team game.

    Cousins hasn’t won a playoff game? Packers fans say he stinks. Rodgers loses a playoff game….packers fans say its a team game.

    This ladies and gents is the most hypocritical fan base in all of sports.

    You cannot debate a packer fan, if they are losing on the point, they change the argument.

    They did this when Favre went o the Vikings. They called him Brent and said he lost all the games for the Packers in the playoffs- ALL his fault, but when they lose now, it’s a TEAM game(which is what they said when Favre was still in GB- funny how that works).

    I wish I didn’t have to live in the center of these nitwits, but I do.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    You’re free to gtfo whenever you’d like. You won’t be missed.

  118. Montana only had 9 years on a Super Bowl contender and when he lost in the playoffs it was to all time great teams. When Brady lost it was to the wild card Giants or Rex Ryan’s Jets.

    ———————-

    tedmurph says:
    August 9, 2018 at 1:55 pm
    Montana was not good enough to get to 8 SBowls only 4. Montana was 4-4 in NFCC gms, Brady is 8-4.That argument is over too.

  119. Montana had 3 1 and dones
    =====

    2 of them at the hands of the Master.

    Brady has 2… to sexy Rexy, and an average Ravens team, in which he posted a 49 QB rating

  120. stellarperformance says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:20 am
    It’s laughable how many of the Viking trolls responding to this “news,” would fall all over themselves, giddy with delight, if Rodgers were playing for the Vikings.

    What a bunch of obsessed, preoccupied fight-pickers, with nothing better to do in their lonely lives.

    They actually believe they know the man, with their presumptive and assumptive “conclusions.”

    None of them have faith in Guaranteed Cousins, and who could blame them?

    Jealous much?

    ***

    My friend, not everybody in here saying something negative about Aaron is a Viking fan. Sorry to have to break that to you.

  121. MrGschwind says:
    August 9, 2018 at 1:38 pm
    Brady is 5-3 in Super Bowls. Adam Vinatieri won two of them for him. Seattle won another one for him. Brady also had two incredible plays from the Giants rob him of two wins. Brady could easily be 7-1 and he could easily be 2-5 in Super Bowls.
    Meanwhile, Montana was 4-0 and never threw a pick in the Super Bowl. Montana beat two HOF quarterbacks in the Super Bowl.
    The real GOAT.

    ———

    Montana lost lessor games than the Super Bowl in 11 of 15 years. Making Super Bowls instead of losing before the Super Bowl or not making the Playoffs is meaningful.

    Particularly when Montana played at a time when the NFC won 14 of 15 Super Bowls so they were likely to win just by showing up.

  122. Particularly when Montana played at a time when the NFC won 14 of 15 Super Bowls so they were likely to win just by showing up.
    ======

    Who did the Pats beat, outside of The LOB and the Greatest Show on Turf? Lets not pretend the NFC is some powerhouse these days.

    They should have crushed those average Giants teams..

  123. 13worldchampioinships says:
    August 9, 2018 at 3:12 pm
    My friend, not everybody in here saying something negative about Aaron is a Viking fan. Sorry to have to break that to you.
    /////////////////////////

    And they’re all experts and know Rodgers personally too, like Viking trolls? Wow. Impressive.

  124. Yes, but those “lessor” games were against opponents better than the teams the Patriots played.

    ———————-

    bullcharger says:

    Montana lost lessor games than the Super Bowl in 11 of 15 years. Making Super Bowls instead of losing before the Super Bowl or not making the Playoffs is meaningful.

  125. aarons444 says:

    Brady V Rodgers splits;

    QB rating with lead
    Brady – 101.8
    Rodgers – 107.9

    QB rating when tied
    Brady – 98.5
    Rodgers – 106.0

    QB rating when trailing
    Brady – 90.8
    Rodgers – 98.0

    QB rating in wins
    Brady – 104.9
    Rodgers – 114.3

    QB rating in losses
    Brady – 73.9
    Rodgers – 85.9

    QB rating in games decided by 7 points or fewer (wins and losses)
    Brady – 89.4
    Rodgers – 97.1

    QB rating in games decided by 8-14 points (wins and losses)
    Brady – 88.7
    Rodgers – 102.1

    Rodgers is the better player.

    Brady, while great in his own right, plays for a FAR better organization.

    ====================================================

    Brady’s stats suffer for the following two reasons:
    1. He became a starter early in his career and didn’t get to hone his craft and learn from a HOF veteran for several years.
    2. The first 6 years of his career were played under the old rules which allowed DBs to essentially mug receivers.

    Compare Rodgers’ and Brady’s stats from when Rodgers became a starter- you’ll see that they are pretty much identical.

    Rodgers is the better athlete. Brady is the better QB.

  126. pulpfriction01 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:36 am

    “TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    August 9, 2018 at 8:00 am
    Brady wins postseason games, Rodgers usually finds a way to choke in them.
    Brady > Rodgers (it’s not even close)”

    You do realize that Rodgers has better stats than Brady in the playoffs, right?

    ___________________________
    How many playoff games has Erin played in?

  127. They should have crushed those average Giants teams.

    Brady has 2… to sexy Rexy, and an average Ravens team, in which he posted a 49 QB rating

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    Those 2 average Giant teams that won SBowls both went into GBay and won in the playoffs. Destroyed them 1/2x, held them to 20 pts and a 78.5 PR. The other time GB scored 6 pts into OT. Super clutch AR. Had to hurt. Ryan’s Jets went to the AFCC gm.

  128. Those 2 average Giant teams that won SBowls both went into GBay and won in the playoffs. Destroyed them 1/2x, held them to 20 pts and a 78.5 PR. The other time GB scored 6 pts into OT. Super clutch AR. Had to hurt. Ryan’s Jets went to the AFCC gm.
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    2007 was rough. The first sign of McCarthys ineptitude. Outcoached at every turn in that game. Leaving Al Harris to get bludgeoned by Plax Burress with a Hall of Famer on the other side STILL grinds my gears.

    2011.. didn’t have a good feeling about that one. The D was horrendous. Hemorrhaged yards.. and again, McCarthy was pwned. Simply no answers whatsoever. Also the first clue that Dom was going to maintain his pattern of self destructing after early success.

    They had their shot at back-to-back Titles and blew it.

    .. doesn’t burn nearly as bad as 18-1 though, I’m sure. SO close. SO many debates would be over. Instead, here you are.

  129. I can live with 18-1. Wasn’t meant to be. The jets one hurt. Bitter rivals and the Pats were jacked that yr. They got what they deserved. There really aren’t any debates, except for threads like this. Current players, ex players, all the talking heads on TV almost universally refer to Brady as the GOAT and the Pats as the all time greatest dynasty. I’m good w/that.

  130. Blaming everything and everyone EXCEPT Rodgers is blind. I bet he never wins another SBowl unless he hooks up with a great D, like Manning and the only other time Rodgers won

  131. Wow all of a sudden Martellus Bennet is the best judge of QB`s . Martellus Bennett never did a dam thing unless he makes more money , he found it to hard to play in Greenbay after week 7 Bennet quit thanks to a shoulder injury that needed surgery ending his session he clamed. Bennett was then released and signed the next week by NE and not needing surgery was able to play out the season and playoffs for NE. Bennett retired knows the only fan base that likes him is Boston/NE.

  132. Blaming everything and everyone EXCEPT Rodgers is blind.
    ======

    He had a really bad NFCC Game on the way to Super Bowl XLV.

    He didn’t play particularly well against Seattle in 2014, but had a double digit lead with 3:58 to go.

    Rodgers isn’t the reason the Packers haven’t made more Super Bowls.

    Review the defensive performances.. horrendous performances.

    Watch some of the games, and realize McCarthy still has a job because his QB is other-worldly. He’s the anti-Belichick. The worst big-game coach I’ve ever seen.

  133. More Rodgers splits;

    Wild Card round – 111.7
    Divisional – 100.1
    Championship – 70.5
    Super Bowl – 111.5

    Overall – 99.4, 3rd highest active, 5th best.. ever

    I’ll stack that up against any QB not named Montana or Starr.

  134. GoodellMustGo says: August 9, 2018 at 12:02 pm
    “Brady has one of the strongest arms in football.
    It has to be…the Pats offensive system requires it. You need a ton of zip on that ball to get it through the linebackers and also to allow receivers to get YAC.”

    ====================

    Don’t forget he also plays outdoor in New England. His arm has to have enough strength to throw the ball to cut through the wind! In fact, his arm strength has improved over the years!

    But playing the quarterback position for him is not just throwing long balls. He understand the game, along with Peyton, better than anyone in history. If it takes dink & dunk in order to get first down, he would do it. In the game, he has no ego. He’s a machine. And that’s what I love about his style!

  135. If you are a viewer of highlight reels, you would want to watch Aaron Rodgers’ film. But if you want to watch an entire game of how a QB controls the clock, rhythm & flow, and building up a crescendo to win a game, then you turn on Brady’s film. Rodgers has all the wow factors like a music video with all the pop hooks and imminently dance-able. Brady is symphony. You get the picture.

  136. richpressytotaleval says:
    August 9, 2018 at 9:45 pm
    Wow all of a sudden Martellus Bennet is the best judge of QB`s . Martellus Bennett never did a dam thing unless he makes more money , he found it to hard to play in Greenbay after week 7 Bennet quit thanks to a shoulder injury that needed surgery ending his session he clamed. Bennett was then released and signed the next week by NE and not needing surgery was able to play out the season and playoffs for NE. Bennett retired knows the only fan base that likes him is Boston/NE.
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    Most people would not consider playing minimally in 2 games, weeks 10 & 11, to be “playing out the season and playoffs”, since Bennett actually was put on IR either week 12 or 13. He tried to play with the shoulder injury but didn’t do very well. Your paranoia, and jealousy, is showing.

  137. Martellus Bennett and his brother are buffoons. And they’re both washed up. Time to let them fade away.

  138. “Brady wins postseason games, Rodgers usually finds a way to choke in them”

    ———-

    Obviously you’re a Pats fan, but come on. Even you don’t believe this.

    The difference between Brady’s and Rodgers’ lies more in the organizations around them. Rodgers is what you get when you have a HoF caliber QB with stagnant team management, Brady is what you get when you have a HoF QB with good team management. Brady has 5 rings because of both his individual ability and the efficiency of the coaches and roster of his team. Rodgers has 1 for the same reason. Both QBs are good enough on their own to guarantee you a playoff berth just by being on the team, which is huge, but you only win a bunch of Superbowls if your GM, coaches, and roster can produce as well.

  139. Martellus Bennett came to Green Bay in Ted Thompson final attempt to feel comfortable in free agency. It failed. Bennett had one positive: he could block. But he had a real ability to drop very catchable balls. He did this over and over.
    The Packers are still paying him for….next to nothing.
    Brady and Rodgers are both grade A QB’s.
    End of the Martellus Bennett story.

  140. I’d take both in a heartbeat! Remember its a team game and Brady has been on a top 10 scoring defense how many times now????

  141. Rodgers’s record in close games isn’t very good. He is a front runner.Rodgers has a better arm and that is where it ends. Brady is better and I don’t know why that is even debated.

  142. silvernblacksabbath says:

    August 13, 2018 at 3:23 pm

    I’d take both in a heartbeat! Remember its a team game and Brady has been on a top 10 scoring defense how many times now????

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    Brady’s defenses have been very up and down over his career. Some good, some bad (like last year for example) most somewhere in between. Points against isn’t the best indicator as it doesn’t account for yards or quality of the opponents.

  143. aarons444 says:

    August 14, 2018 at 12:26 pm

    Wins are determined by who scores the most points.

    There isn’t a more relevant factor.

    ===================================

    I’ve already proven this wrong, you really need a refresher?

    Pats were 5th in points allowed last year, seems impressive, no? Yet they were 29th in yards allowed, which is objectively terrible. And they were 31st in defensive DVOA. Why? Because they were terrible against good teams. Against their best 9 opponents last year their pretty 18.5 points allowed average jumped to 26.0, which is bad (would rank 31st overall). They got smoked by Nick Foles, they are no where near a “top 5” defense.

    -Good defenses shut down good teams.

    -The Pats “top 5” defense last year did not shut down good teams, proven with the aforementioned 26.0 pts/gm average against good teams (and high yards allowed, and bad DVOA)

    -Therefore they were not a good defense.

    -Therefore points against average is an incomplete stat in evaluating defenses.

  144. Rodgers’s record in close games isn’t very good. He is a front runner.Rodgers has a better arm and that is where it ends. Brady is better and I don’t know why that is even debated.
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    Rodgers QB rating with lead – 107.9
    Rodgers rating with tied – 106.0
    Rodgers rating when trailing – 98.0

    Rodgers is great. The Packers D can’t hold leads.

  145. aarons444 says:

    August 14, 2018 at 1:40 pm

    I’ve already proven this wrong, you really need a refresher?
    =====

    Keep dreaming.

    ==========================

    I dreamed you had a rebuttal with actual supporting facts, but then I woke up and realized you still had nothing.

    Prove last years Pats team was good and was a “top 5” unit.

    I’ll save you time, they weren’t.

  146. I assumed you remembers the last dozen conversations we had about this.

    We have the same fundamental difference of opinion now as we did then.

  147. You do realize that Rodgers has better stats than Brady in the playoffs, right
    ******************************

    Brady
    27-10
    62.8 comp %
    71 TD 31 Int
    Rating 90.9
    2 one and done

    Rodgers
    10-7
    63.5 comp %
    36 TD 10 Int
    Rating 99.4
    3 one and done

    So, if you’re pointing at his comp % and rating, you’re correct. However, I’ll casually pull a quote from BB “stats are for losers, the only stat that counts is the scoreboard at the end of the game.”

    Congrats on having the better passing rating, i’m happy with the 5 SB wins.

  148. “stats are for losers, the only stat that counts is the scoreboard at the end of the game.”

    Congrats to Brady for playing on better teams.

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