Raiders, Khalil Mack still not talking

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Like Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald, Raiders defensive end Khalil Mack is holding out for a new deal while operating under the fifth-year option of a first-round contract. Unlike Donald, Mack isn’t talking to his team.

If Donald and the Rams are in the same zip code, area code, and ball park, Mack and the Raiders are in different solar systems, with still no communication in months.

This means that Mack remains a long shot to cave in and show up before Friday night’s preseason visit from the Lions, even though by rule holdouts in the fifth year of a first-round contract face fines in the amount of a regular-season game check.

For Donald, the price of skipping preseason games becomes $405,000, because his fifth-year option salary is only $6.892 million, as a player not drafted in the top 10. Mack, the fifth pick in 2014, has option-year compensation of $13.846 million. Which means that, for each preseason game, Mack can be fined $814,000.

The current relationship between the Rams and Donald suggests that he won’t be fined more than $1.6 million if he skips all four preseason games. Since there is no current relationship between Mack and the Raiders, it’s impossible to know whether the Raiders would collect more than $3.2 million if Mack stays away through the end of August. Mack would be wise to assume that the Raiders will.

So if Mack wants to convince any skeptics that he’s serious about holding out into the regular season, holding out into the preseason should go a long way toward sending that message. As far as he knows, the process of giving up regular-season game checks begins Friday night, when he potentially loses more than $814,000 that he previously has earned.

Which in some ways hurts a lot more than never earning it in the first place.

60 responses to “Raiders, Khalil Mack still not talking

  1. Khalil, come back to Buffalo were you got your start in college and more importantly, where you belong.

  2. A loyal fan doesn’t have to respect the lousy owner of the team they support and Son-of-Al has to be about the worst in the league. The fact is that Son-of-Al’s probable cash-flow issue with inking Mack to an extension he deserves was caused by throwing 100 mil. guaranteed at Gruden.

    Of course Son-of-Al did it a s publicity stunt without the common sense to realize that Mack is vital to any success the Raiders would have whereas Gruden is mediocre and certainly no better as a HC than Del Rio was. And the publicity stunt will backfire if the Raiders regress further on the field as a result because the PSLs/season ticket sales in Vegas will be result-driven.

    EVERY one of the 31 other teams would like to have a game-changing player like Mack as a starter on their roster.

    NONE of the other 31 other teams displayed an interest in Gruden before he was brought back by the Raiders.

  3. Thanks for the daily update. Who is your source that they are not talking? Both Davis and McKenzie have been silent on where talks are. Mack and his agent aren’t chiming in either, so I don’t know where these rumors swirl that they are NOT talking and light years away. When Mack signs, everyone can happily eat crow and find something else to pile on about the Raiders.

  4. why not just show up for the game and give so little effort they bench you (if they even bother putting you in)? Still sends the same message and you don’t lose money.

  5. araidersfan says:
    August 9, 2018 at 2:39 pm
    “…Gruden is mediocre and certainly no better as a HC than Del Rio was.”
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    You don’t seriously believe this, do you? You 100% lose your Silver and Black card on this one. Come on, man. Seriously, stop trying to always stir the pot.

  6. unclebluck says:
    August 9, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    Khalil, come back to Buffalo were you got your start in college and more importantly, where you belong.

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    In case you didn’t notice the jills had the chance to draft Mack. Instead they decided to go with Sammy Bustkins. How’d that work out for you, sparky?

  7. It’s impossible for any fan to speculate on the future with Mack because we don’t have all the facts.

    Suffice to say that Khalil is as serious as a heart attack.

    I think he’ll skip the pre-season, will suit up for the regular season, then be months behind mentally, resulting in an average or sub-average year, then we start all this crap over again in 2019.

  8. The Raiders shelled out hundreds of millions for a move, a new stadium, and the first ever 9-figures-guaranteed coach.

    They simply do not have the cash left to place in escrow for the guaranteed money on a new Mack deal.

    Cap space isn’t the issue. The issue is that the Raiders literally don’t have enough money for a new Mack deal.

  9. kemp13 says:
    So players aren’t paid for exhibition games, but the team can fine them for not showing up?
    Yeah. That seems fair.


    As your mother may or may not have told you many times, life isn’t always fair.
    Fans ultimately pay a player’s salary. Is is fair that season ticket holders have to pay the same full price for exhibition games as they do for regular season games, even though some of the biggest names they’re paying to see won’t play, while others can’t even be bothered to show up for work?
    Bottom line: The CBA, which the players had a hand in negotiating, says players can be fined for holding out and missing an exhibition game. End of story.
    “Fair” isn’t always a part of the equation, just as it wasn’t when your mom gave your brother or sister a bigger cookie than you.

  10. JoeToronto says:
    August 9, 2018 at 2:49 pm
    Even Buffalo’s college players wouldn’t want to play in OAK, LA, OAK, Vegas, Mexico City.
    Just move baby!
    *******************************************************************
    My stalker from Buffalow is everywhere today, I’m obviously parked in his head.

    One nation, Raider Nation.

  11. I wouldn’t want to play for that joke of a franchise either. Besides, they have no money to give him.

  12. JoeToronto says:
    August 9, 2018 at 2:49 pm
    Even Buffalo’s college players wouldn’t want to play in OAK, LA, OAK, Vegas, Mexico City.
    Just move baby!
    *******************************************************************
    My stalker from Buffalow is everywhere today, I’m obviously parked in his head.

    One nation, Raider Nation.

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    What is the address of Raider Nation? Doesn’t matter…good thing you can forward mail.

  13. joetoronto says:
    August 9, 2018 at 2:55 pm
    Even Buffalo’s college players wouldn’t want to play in OAK, LA, OAK, Vegas, Mexico City.
    Just move baby!
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    Sad that you can’t even come up with your own user name, but instead have to piggy back off of Joe. Why don’t YOU “just move-on, Baby!”

  14. kcsam76 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 2:48 pm

    araidersfan says:
    August 9, 2018 at 2:39 pm
    “…Gruden is mediocre and certainly no better as a HC than Del Rio was.”
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    You don’t seriously believe this, do you? You 100% lose your Silver and Black card on this one. Come on, man. Seriously, stop trying to always stir the pot.

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    Gruden is popular with the gullible elements of the fan-base because he’s a good pitchman who high-fives the fans in the stadium, appears on radio shows, etc. I was never sold on his act at any point in time.

    But sure, I can compare Gruden to Del Rio using the facts:

    – Gruden went 8-8 in his first 2 years of the initial Raiders stint and didn’t make the playoffs (or have a winning season) until his 3rd year when he knew that Al Davis would fire him if he didn’t produce.

    – Del Rio took over a 3-13 team and went 7-9 & 12-4 in his first 2 years making the playoffs in his 2nd year which was BETTER than Gruden. The Raiders regressed to 6-10 last year mainly because Son-of-Al forced Lynch the cancer onto the team and Carr got his way with having Downing replace Musgrave.

    As for Gruden’s Super Bowl win? The Raiders were doomed (and Gruden benefited) mainly due to Barret Robbins’ unfortunate breakdown on the eve of the game. If this hadn’t happened then the Raiders game plan would’ve been to go with a run-oriented offensive attack which Gruden wouldn’t have been able to handle.

  15. THIS:

    Introducing Kolton Miller, the new raiders rookie LT, LT Donald Penn is released, all his $$$ goes to Mack + whatever else they have left over and Mack is there suited up and ready to have his best year ever because of the incredible supporting cast and coaching. Mack next to Hurst and key is wreaking of destruction to opposing Offensive lines.

  16. peytonmanningsforehead says:
    August 9, 2018 at 2:49 pm
    unclebluck says:
    August 9, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    Khalil, come back to Buffalo were you got your start in college and more importantly, where you belong.

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    In case you didn’t notice the jills had the chance to draft Mack. Instead they decided to go with Sammy Bustkins. How’d that work out for you, sparky?
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    It works well that I have an NFL team in my city and you have the Argos!!! Now get back in your mommys basement were you belong!! Tragically Canadian!!

  17. I can’t believe a raiders fan REALLY BELIEVES the raiders are strapped for cash and don’t have what they need to pay Mack. I wonder if anybody realizes it’s the AGENT pushing Mack to hold out due to his percentage he gets for the larger deal. Butt Florio hasn’t anything better to do than kill a dead horse and people are foolish enough to believe what he writes !!!

  18. slick50kc says:
    August 9, 2018 at 2:58 pm
    I wouldn’t want to play for that joke of a franchise either. Besides, they have no money to give him.
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    I forgot, playing for a franchise with their Ronald McDonald ketchup and mustard uniforms who last won a title in ’69 is WAAAAAAY less of a joke than the Raiders.

  19. slick50kc says:
    August 9, 2018 at 2:58 pm
    I wouldn’t want to play for that joke of a franchise either. Besides, they have no money to give him.

    I’m still laughing st 21-3, 1969!

  20. Seems like somewhat lazy reporting.

    Gruden has said he has talked to Mack.

    McKenzie has said he has been talking to Mack’s agent.

    Where is this no communication stuff coming from?

  21. Tired of Bills fans saying come back to Buffalo.

    You guys went WR instead.

    So, live with the fact that you drafted a guy no longer on your team INSTEAD of Mack.

    Al drafted JaMarcus instead of Calvin and RAIDER fan is still living with that.

    Stop groveling, it’s undignified.

  22. Gruden is popular with the gullible elements of the fan-base because he’s a good pitchman who high-fives the fans in the stadium, appears on radio shows, etc. I was never sold on his act at any point in time.

    But sure, I can compare Gruden to Del Rio using the facts:

    – Gruden went 8-8 in his first 2 years of the initial Raiders stint and didn’t make the playoffs (or have a winning season) until his 3rd year when he knew that Al Davis would fire him if he didn’t produce.

    – Del Rio took over a 3-13 team and went 7-9 & 12-4 in his first 2 years making the playoffs in his 2nd year which was BETTER than Gruden. The Raiders regressed to 6-10 last year mainly because Son-of-Al forced Lynch the cancer onto the team and Carr got his way with having Downing replace Musgrave.

    As for Gruden’s Super Bowl win? The Raiders were doomed (and Gruden benefited) mainly due to Barret Robbins’ unfortunate breakdown on the eve of the game. If this hadn’t happened then the Raiders game plan would’ve been to go with a run-oriented offensive attack which Gruden wouldn’t have been able to handle.
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    And Gruden took over a 4-12 Joe Bugel team in total disaray Joe Bugel that was PUTRID and got them to 8-8. And then eventually to the AFC Divisional game and then later the AFC Championship game. Did JDR do that? Not even close. JDR was nothing but a rah-rah guy (much like his buddy Ken Norton Jr.) who relied on his staff to coach. Gruden has, and still is, knows as a “football guy” who knows X’s and O’s. You go and ask anyone who has coached the game of football or anyone who covers the game of football and they, too, will tell you that Gruden is a better coach than Del Rio. This is laughable to even have to compare these 2.

  23. I can’t believe a raiders fan REALLY BELIEVES the raiders are strapped for cash and don’t have what they need to pay Mack. I wonder if anybody realizes it’s the AGENT pushing Mack to hold out due to his percentage he gets for the larger deal. Butt Florio hasn’t anything better to do than kill a dead horse and people are foolish enough to believe what he writes !!!

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    The Raiders have 2.26 million dollars in cap space. Do you really think that’s enough money to pay a franchise linebacker a long term contract?

  24. sllib12 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 3:19 pm

    Davis doesn’t have the money to compete. Therefore Raiderettes will always suck

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    I’m sure that you’re happy about the Raiders current situation but I hold out hope for the future (say 5 years down the road from now).

    Son-of-Al was hopeful of a huge windfall in Vegas from wild enthusiasm from the Gruden publicity stunt. The stunt will most likely backfire because of the way that Gruden has being damaging the Raiders. Son-of-Al is too dense to realize that the PSL/season ticket sales in Vegas will depend on the results on the field. So because Son-of-Al is leveraged up to his ears in debt and won’t be able to satisfy those obligations, he’ll likely be forced to sell.

    The good news (as far as I’m concerned as a Raiders fan) is that there’s a good likelihood that an owner with deep pockets will buy the Raiders (keeping them in Vegas) and if the new ownership hires good football people and gets out of the way and lets them do their job then the Raiders could finally return to being a successful team on the field.

  25. kcsam76 says:
    August 9, 2018 at 3:33 pm

    Gruden is popular with the gullible elements of the fan-base because he’s a good pitchman who high-fives the fans in the stadium, appears on radio shows, etc. I was never sold on his act at any point in time.

    But sure, I can compare Gruden to Del Rio using the facts:

    – Gruden went 8-8 in his first 2 years of the initial Raiders stint and didn’t make the playoffs (or have a winning season) until his 3rd year when he knew that Al Davis would fire him if he didn’t produce.

    – Del Rio took over a 3-13 team and went 7-9 & 12-4 in his first 2 years making the playoffs in his 2nd year which was BETTER than Gruden. The Raiders regressed to 6-10 last year mainly because Son-of-Al forced Lynch the cancer onto the team and Carr got his way with having Downing replace Musgrave.

    As for Gruden’s Super Bowl win? The Raiders were doomed (and Gruden benefited) mainly due to Barret Robbins’ unfortunate breakdown on the eve of the game. If this hadn’t happened then the Raiders game plan would’ve been to go with a run-oriented offensive attack which Gruden wouldn’t have been able to handle.

    And Gruden took over a 4-12 Joe Bugel team in total disaray Joe Bugel that was PUTRID and got them to 8-8. And then eventually to the AFC Divisional game and then later the AFC Championship game. Did JDR do that? Not even close. JDR was nothing but a rah-rah guy (much like his buddy Ken Norton Jr.) who relied on his staff to coach. Gruden has, and still is, knows as a “football guy” who knows X’s and O’s. You go and ask anyone who has coached the game of football or anyone who covers the game of football and they, too, will tell you that Gruden is a better coach than Del Rio. This is laughable to even have to compare these 2.

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    Gruden took over a 1997 4-12 team that was 7-9 in ’96 and had made the playoffs as recently as ’93 (5 years earlier). Bugel and his DC Whittingham were the major reasons for the team going 4-12 but Gruden was really no better than Mike White in (’95-’96) in his first 2 years – which is why it was generally known that Gruden’s 3rd year was for Al Davis: “produce or be fired”.

    Del Rio took over a 2013 3-13 team that had been mostly horrible for the previous ELEVEN (11) years after 2002 (the last playoff appearance). So the Raiders were in MUCH WORSE shape when Del Rio took over then when Gruden did.

    As for whether Gruden is any good as a HC? Go ask Bucs fans about the way he drove a very good team into the ground with his roster moves after he forced out Rich McKay (who built the team). And again, Gruden’s Super Bowl win owes largely to Barret Robbins’ unfortunate breakdown.

  26. The owners are sure showing the NFLPA what needs to happen during the next negotiation…Teams can cut guys when they want…they can hold on to players longer than the contract was originally signed for…mediocre to good players have no problems getting paid…but become of the of the best at your position?…#screwed #bigly

  27. You folks pining away for Mack to “return home to Buffalo” do realize that he’s from Florida, right? Buffalo is not and never was his home. He only goes there now because his brother plays there.
    Who left the barn door open and let all the Bills fans out?

  28. Past management sins, will dog this franchise for years to come.
    Getting out of that crappy Oakland area is the only thing they have going for them.

  29. araidersfan & kcsam76~

    Keep up the bantering, you’re doing a good work. Enjoying the back and forth…Congress and Senate can learn from you two.

  30. It`s truly amazing to read all the misinformation that gets said in here. Here`s a couple of facts for the ignorant to chew on:

    Reggie McKenzie doesn`t negotiate with players who aren`t in camp. Didn`t do it last year with Penn and isn`t doing it this year with Mack which is why he made the statement about how Mack and his people were choosing to do it.

    In the past year, Mark Davis has given Derek Carr 70 mill guaranteed on a 5 year 125 mill contract and made Jon Gruden the highest paid HC in North American pro sports. He made over a quarter of a Billion dollars in shared NFL revenue alone last season and is going to be one of the highest grossing teams in the league within two years. This is not about how much he can afford. It`s also not about long term cap problems as Reggie has been one of the best in the league at not giving long term guarantees out that put teams in cap jail. At the start of the next league year the Raiders will have 42 million in cap space without even knowing how much higher the cap will be. The year after they have over 100 mill in space.

    As is often the case when a high profile player holds out, numerous rumors start to fly whether they make sense or not and that is what is happening now. This is not hard to figure out if you actually take the time to read all the information, look at the history of the parties involved and use some basic common sense. Both Mack and Donald remain unsigned. Why? Because they both want market busting contracts that`s why. The teams are taking different paths in how they negotiate – the Rams are still talking to Donald even though he`s not there while the Raiders wait for Mack to show up to negotiate further – but both remain hold outs. That will continue likely until the regular season is about to start in which case both will show up and the team will waive the fines – which is what happens about 99% of the time in these situations.

    My guess is both play this season under the 5th year option amount, with there being a greater chance of Donald signing long term due to the fact he is making far less than Mack is. The bottom line is the Raiders have a long term plan that is focused on being a contender by the time they reach Vegas in which they will have a ton of cap space and a nucleus to build around. They are already a playoff caliber roster with Mack, but they stand to be in great position by 2020. So keep on blowing smoke and creating drama because the reality is the Raiders know what they are doing.

  31. Bean’s been pulling off wild trades since he took over in Buffalo. And I gotta say I love the notion of bringing Mack home to western New York. Even if it costs us a 2019 1st rounder.

  32. peytonmanningsforehead says:
    August 9, 2018 at 2:49 pm
    unclebluck says:
    August 9, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    Khalil, come back to Buffalo were you got your start in college and more importantly, where you belong.

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    In case you didn’t notice the jills had the chance to draft Mack. Instead they decided to go with Sammy Bustkins. How’d that work out for you, sparky?

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    Notice how we fired EVERYONE involved in that AND traded away Watkins? So yeah I totally agree with you. We should have drafted Mack. Just like we should have drafted Peterson instead of Dareus.

  33. Just because they don’t want to pay him what he wants does not mean the team does not have the money.
    QB’s are the only players that the teams want to pay QB money.
    Some of the salaries for these other positions have gotten out of hand.

    The CBA was negotiated to spread the cap money around the team so that all the vets made a good living not just the new rookies and a few stars.

    We now have those few stars demanding almost the whole pie for themselves.
    Kind of run full circle.
    I’m surprised the rest of the players are not up in arms over this.

  34. bleedredwhiteandblue66 says:

    August 9, 2018 at 3:04 pm

    Shuffle back to Buffalo Kahlil. Chucky’s going to turn that franchise into a circus.
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    Its been a circus for years… Chucky is just the new Ringmaster. What a joke of a franchise.

  35. Why pay Mack $20 million a year when you could get a 1st and 3rd round draft pick for him. You could draft two DTs and spend the extra millions saved on a number of defensive free agents.

  36. If McKenzie could get a 1st and 2nd from a mid-range, non-playoff contender….he and Chuckie should consider it. Rookies are cheaper but dang, Mack is an exceptional talent. Best defensive Raider since Charles Woodson.

  37. If you’ve been paying attention to college football the last few years, you’ll know that Raiders’ third round draft pick Arden Key was a highly touted edge rusher. A year or so ago, he was projected as the #1 overall pick. He had a couple off field issues, so the Raiders drafted him in the third round. He’s been looking like a pro bowl edge rusher in camp. If the Raiders can draft a guy like this in the 3rd round, why on earth would they put themselves in salary cap hell for a guy who would be the second best rusher on the team? I’d love to have Mack, but the Raiders don’t really need him.

  38. Yeah, it would make a load of sense to trade Mack for draft picks considering that Mack is arguably the best defensive player in the league and the draft picks acquired may wind up to be busts or at best average players who couldn’t begin to approach what Mack adds to a roster.

  39. The Packers have a great interest in aquiring Mack and have a personal relationship with Reggie who was once a front officer with the Packers.the Packers have two first round picks to offer in 2019,Mack is worth both of them.they also have tons of money to cover his new contract.Mack wants money and the Raiders dont want to pay him so its logical he ends up elsewhere,hopefully very soon.welcome to Packerland Mr. Mack.

  40. billswillnevermove says:
    August 9, 2018 at 3:24 pm

    No idea why anyone could stick up for Joe, the dude has about 45 usernames and comes up with another one on a daily basis. Straight up loser.

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    This coming from the loser who has 80 ID’s. You’re not fooling anyone except yourself.

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