There will never be another #Deflategate

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More than 30 years later, a Top Gun sequel is coming. The #Deflategate sequel likely will take a little longer.

As evidenced by the two occasions on which irregularities were found in footballs used by the Steelers since the first air-pressure controversy resulted in a four-game suspension for Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, the removal of a first-round and fourth-round draft pick, and a $1 million fine for the team, the league has no interest in further spelunking as to the inner workings of a football.

The league will never admit this, but it knows that #Deflategate I never should have happened. The fumes of Spygate collided with the reckless allegations of teams that resent the Patriots’ success, making league officials predisposed to assume the worst when measurements taken at halftime of an outdoor game played in mid-January. And so they didn’t bother to consider that the balls may have lost some air pressure due to the elements, not skullduggery.

Caught between underlings who insisted that the PSI readings were proof of foul play and overlords who thought the Patriots got off too easy when last caught cheating, the Commissioner let nature take its course, resulting in an unnatural, square-peg/round-hole effort by Ted Wells to give the league what it wanted: A conclusion that cheating had occurred, even if the evidence was inconclusive.

Since then, it’s no mistake that the league has guarded the random pressure measurements more zealously than any/every other piece of confidential information entrusted to the employees of 345 Park Avenue. If those numbers ever were disclosed (especially numbers taken during games played in cold weather), it would become immediately obvious that the Keystone Cops-meets-kangaroo court realities of the NFL investigative process fueled the Patriots’ punishments.

A second #Deflategate could do the same thing, which is the main reason why the NFL (like Balboa and Creed at the end of Rocky) wants no rematch. Of course, if the Patriots are ever again suspected of taking the top off a football or two, the Enforcer could be goaded out of retirement.

Until that unlikely eventuality, don’t expect the league to ever rev up the investigative engine no matter whether the footballs used by any of the other 31 teams seem like marshmallows, beach balls, or old balloons.

83 responses to “There will never be another #Deflategate

  1. Oh, I don’t know, spending $5 million to learn something already found in the first chapter of every 8th grade earth science book sounds like something Goodell could keep up indefinitely.

  2. The Pats we’re definitely doing it. But it was so overblown & just stupid from the beginning. Should’ve been a fine, maaaayyyybbbeee 1 game but even that’s a stretch. And I hate the Pats.

  3. An extremely sad and ridiculous chapter in the NFL’s history, which is incredible considering that other chapters in NFL history include “brain damage”, “brain damage denial”, “protecting child abusers and wife beaters”, “statues and HOF inductions for accessories to murder”, and “buttfumbles.”

  4. the most astounding part of the entire affair was the profound ignorance of goodell, vincent, the media, et al. that temperature has a dramatic an easily measurable effect on air pressure. apparently none of them ever looked at the hourly variance in dashboard readout of tire pressure in their expensive cars. then they made every mistake possible in how they compared balls, not to mention lying about the results and then the ongoing effort to cover the lies. the only constant was that belichick and brady made three out of the next four bowls! talk about rubbing fools’ noses in it!

  5. 2010:
    Bill Cowher: “You know, let me just say this: To answer your question, no, I don’t think so (it’s not an advantage for one team over another).
    I just know as a head coach, you are always looking for a competitive edge. We had people out there trying to look at signals. We had guys go to games. They would tape the signal caller and also write it down. They would take it back and match up the signals with the game film and certain defenses with certain plays that were being called, particularly the defenses being called, to see if we could come up with some kind of an alert for a signal. So, what they did with videotaping the signal caller, people do it with the people in the stands!!
    These people sitting there in the stands, looking at the signal, writing it down and matching up the 1st and 10 signal. Ok? Then you go back again and the 2nd and 10 and here’s the signal. You do that for a whole game.
    You then go back and match up the defenses with the signal. And you can come up with what the signal was.
    So, you don;’t need a video tape with what they were talking about doing. And people were doing it. WE were doing that. Everybody does that. You’re TRYING to gain a competitive edge. There is nothing wrong with that.
    That’s why baseball players go through the mirage of signals. They’ve got all these different codes. That’s part of the competitive spirit of the game. I think it’s totally overblown. I think if you get caught (signals compromised), then do what we did and go to wristbands, you are worried about it. We started putting defenses on wristbands. Then you find a way to not get caught (signals compromised). When your good at something and people try steal from ya, I think it’s flattering.”

  6. If it weren’t for multiple AFC Championships in which the hometown Patriots received the benefit of questionable calls & non-calls vs. the Colts (e.g. pass interference), Deflategate #1 never would have happened.

    That doesn’t excuse it, but that’s why Polian and others on Indy’s side started barking.

  7. When will some journalist revisit Spygate and see that it too was an egregious frame job?

    “But Roger told BB to knock it off and he didn’t. He was warned.” (BB being an arrogant jerk and thus got what he deserved.) But two problems with that:

    1) What he was doing wasn’t in violation of the terms of NFL Gameday Operations Manual(Note: “for use in the game.”)

    2) Roger Goodell did not have the authority to override the NFL Gameday Operations Manual, thus his “warning” was irrelevant.

    But, Roger Goodell, much like in his dealings with Tom Brady, did/does have the authority to run roughshod over anyone in his sights, just because. His might makes right.

    Some investigative journalist ought really take a thorough look at that.

  8. So why did the balls only deflate on the Patriots sideline? I would love to hear those physics explained.

  9. The league will never admit this, but it knows that #Deflategate I never should have happened
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    If the media uncovered that NFL owners were taking millions of taxpayers dollars to promote the military before the games and taking millions of dollars to “honor” the troops then said “Well we had to feed them.” when they got caught. Then we’d have another deflate gate.

    United we stand, divided we fall. The powers that be figured out a long time ago that if you throw out some raw meat we will divide ourselves. It’s incredibly effective. Unfortunately we will probably never stand together for anything again. We fall for it every single time. The enthusiasm of bickering will drowned out the truth. A story is easier to sell than the truth.

  10. What is missing from both episodes of Steelers being involved with underinflated balls is a lying weasel to tweet out lies and a pathetic fan base from teams that have lost to NE to believe the lies and a jealous group of owners.

    There, all caught up.

  11. Of course, because literally no one care’s about the air pressure in NFL Footballs. Never did before probably never will again.

  12. Maybe the next time…the NFL will alternate and measure..one football of one team and then measure a football of the other team…etc…..rather than measuring all the footballs of one team while allowing all the footballs of the other team to warm up indoors.

    But then again…the NFL collected PSI stats during the 2015 NFL season that would show footballs always dropping PSI during cold weather games. That PSI report is still being hidden from football fans because Roger Goodell doesn’t want to have to award the Patriots several draft picks to make up for being cheated by the NFL.

  13. Whatever. Call it a karma punishment for the other 50 instances of pats cheating.

    Science is science but so is destroying cell phones for no reason and taking footballs into bathrooms.

  14. I used to think Pats fans would forget this once we won another SB. Its now obvious that its never going away, they cant let go. It will still be the lead story when Tom gets his gold jacket. Its really sad, let it go guys.

  15. justintuckrule says:
    August 10, 2018 at 11:45 am
    Whatever. Call it a karma punishment for the other 50 instances of pats cheating.

    Science is science but so is destroying cell phones for no reason and taking footballs into bathrooms.

    0 1 Thank You

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    Oh, yes. A Ravens fan. A fan of a cheating team that also controls Goodell, where Goodell promised he would bury the Ray Rice Fiasco until someone got a hold of that tape of the interior of the elevator, forcing his hand after LYING TWICE to protect Baltimore from cutting Rice and taking on a 9.5 mil cap hit after overpaying Flacco at 20 mil per.

    Remember?

    And when Brady told Johnny WHinebaugh to “cjheck the rulebook” after Whiny Whinebuagh’s dumb players blew to 14 point leads and arrogantly thought they were better than the Pats going into cap hell, only THEN was a call placed to set off Framegate II.

    Irsay, Grigson and Goodell were all in on it, they sent the lackey into Foxborough, and id Brady never threw that INT, it’s quite possible Framgeate II may not have had any life to it.

    The rest is history. Goodell was caught cheating again in an federal court, and here we are watching Goodell bury Article 46 for his precious teams.

  16. tbisgod says:
    August 10, 2018 at 11:47 am
    I used to think Pats fans would forget this once we won another SB. Its now obvious that its never going away, they cant let go. It will still be the lead story when Tom gets his gold jacket. Its really sad, let it go guys.

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    Absolutely not. Pats fans know the facts and truth of it all and we will remind everyone that the Pats have been cheated.

    When the history books are written, it will be that NE was so superior, it stunted the NFLs’ ability to sell parity and grow internationally, and it’s because of a jealous little, entitled bald weasel in NY thinks he’s entitled to becoming a winning owner for daddy.

    Every single decision and move transmits through the NY Jets, Giants, and Goodell. Whoever (Indy, Balt, Pitt, Denver, etc) wants to tag along to take a pound of flesh from the Pats to benefit them om the AFC, are all there, along for the ride.

    Kraft knows..Everyone now knows.

    Good day.

  17. I used to think Pats fans would forget this once we won another SB. Its now obvious that its never going away, they cant let go. It will still be the lead story when Tom gets his gold jacket. Its really sad, let it go guys.

    Never happen…..some people like to feel like they are the oppressed to hide their sense of entitlement….most usually grow out of it in their teens….I said most.

  18. Keep apologizing for the Patriots and explaining it away with the “cold weather” crap all the while ignoring the text messages between Brady and the equipment guys and the fact that Brady obstructed the investigation by destroying evidence. Yeah, keep doing that.

  19. “So why did the balls only deflate on the Patriots sideline? I would love to hear those physics explained.”

    3 of the 4 Colts balls that were measured were also under 12.5 psi, at which point the league stopped measuring their balls in a blatant cover up.

    They also decided to take a claim from the Colts as gospel that Colts DB who intercepted the Pats told the coaches “it felt soft”. Said player afterwards told the media he never told the Colts coaches any such thing. The Colts then tampered with that ball, gauging it themselves, which btw its a violation for a team to have gauges on the sidelines and let air out of the ball in the process. The one and only Pats ball that was below the PSI drop that is explained by the ideal gas law was, you guessed it, the one the Colts tampered with.

    The Colts lied repeatedly, Goodell was caught in 56 documented lies that he had been told after Judge Berman ordered the transcripts of Wells’ interviews with Brady released, which the league fought against tooth and nail because they knew very well Goodell had lied over and over to frame Brady.

  20. So fan 70 wants to know why only the patriots balls were under-inflated??? Seriously!!!! has he been in a coma ??? The colts balls were under inflated too!
    What’s really weird is the Colts didn’t face any punishment though ,did they!

  21. “[A backup quarterback named John] Friesz was told that the Patriots had a tape of the Bucs’ signals. He was instructed to memorize them, and during the game, to watch Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin and tell [offensive coordinator Charlie] Weis the defensive play, which Weis would relay over the radio headset system to quarterback Drew Bledsoe.”

  22. joejoedancer55 says:

    August 10, 2018 at 12:05 pm

    Keep apologizing for the Patriots and explaining it away with the “cold weather” crap all the while ignoring the text messages between Brady and the equipment guys and the fact that Brady obstructed the investigation by destroying evidence. Yeah, keep doing that.
    —————————————————————————
    The NFL already had the 2 team owned phones plus the paper logs from Brady’s phone.
    Some people are able to understand that you don’t also need to have Bray’s phone to then see all the messages that were sent to the 2 team owned phones.

    So why then did the NFL use the media to do the lengthy smear campaign with the countless “destroyed phone” headlines. Was that only to convince countless dimwits that someone did something wrong in the absence of any evidence?

    The NFL admitted in court that they had zero evidence.

  23. I always love how these threads contain these two sentiments:

    “Patriots are bunch of cheaters”

    “Why don’t Patriots fans let it go already?”

    I think Patriots fans will give it a rest when people stop screaming cheater. But I doubt that will happen, sadly.

  24. The scouts would go undercover as media members, with media credentials listed under “Patriots TV” or “Kraft Productions” and were prepared with excuses of what to say they were filming if security asked.

    “Each video sequence would usually include three shots: the down and distance, the signal, and, as an in-house joke, [something not fit for print here]

    The tapes would then go to a Belichick confidant named Ernie Adams, an “amateur historian of pro football,” who would have the tapes edited and match the notes of the play calls and signals to the action on the field.

  25. Keep ignoring the text messages between Brady & the ball boys ?well they weren’t ANY text messages between Brady & the ballboys . NONE!!!
    What evidence exactly was destroyed when the phone was destroyed ?? it was the same phone that Wells said he did not need , repeat did not need !!
    If the phone was so important in any investigation it should have been when Favre was texting his private parts, why didn’t they look at his phone ???

  26. Deflategate I was Indianapolis’ “Blitzkrieg”

    When Indy returns to Foxborough in October, Deflategate II will be the Patriots’ D-Day Landings

  27. Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents’ signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game won by the Patriots 24-17. Yet almost as quickly as the tapes and notes were found, they were destroyed, on Goodell’s orders: League executives stomped the tapes into pieces and shredded the papers inside a Gillette Stadium conference room.

  28. The fact that Roger has never released the air pressure tests they conducted leeds to only one conclusion. The League totally blew deflategate.

    Had the tests in any way proven the NFL correct, they would have been released.

    But Roger couldn’t admit it or he would have had to correct his mistakes and probably resign.

  29. fan70 says:

    August 10, 2018 at 11:32 am

    So why did the balls only deflate on the Patriots sideline? I would love to hear those physics explained.
    ———————————————————————
    You asked…so hopefully you can understand the following explanation…

    The NFL only measured 4 of the Colts footballs and 3 of them were found to be lower than he mandatory 12.50 PSI. The reason that only 4 of the Colts footballs were measured because the officials were busy measuring eleven of the Patriots footballs twice and they ran out of time before the start of the 2nd half. All while allowing the Patriots footballs to warm up indoors.

    Allowing the Colts footballs to warm up should have invalidated the results and ended the comparison. Not to mention that the Colts footballs were treated differently prior to the game because they had to travel to New England. Not to mention the significant difference in time of possession which allowed the Colts footballs to remain in a bag protected from the elements.

  30. “Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents’ signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game won by the Patriots 24-17. ”

    Nothing of which was illegal and in fact it is the job of every coach to document other team’s signals to help decipher their offense.

    And several of the tapes were show to the media, and its well known that Jay Glazer has a copy of at least one of them. So no, they were not “stomped into pieces” before anyone could see them, certainly not all of them.

  31. fan70 says:

    August 10, 2018 at 11:32 am

    So why did the balls only deflate on the Patriots sideline? I would love to hear those physics explained.

    —————————————————-

    The NFL only measured 4 of the Colts footballs and 3 of them were found to be lower than he mandatory 12.50 PSI. The reason that only 4 of the Colts footballs were measured because the officials were busy measuring eleven of the Patriots footballs twice and they ran out of time before the start of the 2nd half. All while allowing the COLTS footballs to warm up indoors.

    Allowing the Colts footballs to warm up should have invalidated the results and ended the comparison. Not to mention that the Colts footballs were treated differently prior to the game because they had to travel to New England. Not to mention the significant difference in time of possession which allowed the Colts footballs to remain in a bag protected from the elements.

  32. aarons444 says:
    August 10, 2018 at 12:16 pm
    “[A backup quarterback named John] Friesz was told that the Patriots had a tape of the Bucs’ signals. He was instructed to memorize them, and during the game, to watch Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin and tell [offensive coordinator Charlie] Weis the defensive play, which Weis would relay over the radio headset system to quarterback Drew Bledsoe.”

    ———————-

    Source. This can’t happen because the headset cuts off with 15 seconds left on the clock.

    All it takes is one person to lie or sensationalize something anywhere in internet world but anyone citing lying ESPN-sourced pieces with no primary sources or talling us who the source is, is not reliable,

    If you went to college, you’d know this.

  33. “Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents’ signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game won by the Patriots 24-17. Yet almost as quickly as the tapes and notes were found, they were destroyed, on Goodell’s orders: League executives stomped the tapes into pieces and shredded the papers inside a Gillette Stadium conference room.”

    **************************************************************************************

    Cool story, bro. But it tell us nothing relevant. It’s not against the rules to:

    1) have a private room;
    2) limit access to said private room;
    3) film opponents & coaches & what they are doing;
    4) compile notes on opponents;

    Now, would you like to know why the tapes were destroyed?

    The NFL wanted to confiscate the tapes (which as BB knew, were not in violation of any sanctioned NFL rule) and BB refused (work product). Kraft was called. A compromise was reached: destroy the tapes. And so it was.

    “Evidence of Patriot cheating” was not destroyed because no crime was proven nor committed.

    Why did BB not more vociferously protest this absurd frame job, rather than (weakly) offering only “a different interpretation of the rules”? (Still think that was “arrogant of him, Pete, to not confess to a crime he did not commit?) Why? Walk in the Patriots locker room and you’ll see prominently displayed on the wall why: Ignore the Noise. Protesting his innocence would give more power to outside forces than he was prepared to concede.

    Any more questions?

  34. Love this idea based on what I saw on another board. Easy way to prevent another ridiculous “scandal” like this…

    How about allowing a defense to use a team challenge to check if the offense’s or kickers football in play complies with legal inflation levels.

    If the refs find that PSI is illegal, the offense is nailed with an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and also their QB and coach are immediately ejected from the game. Not that different from catching a pitcher doctoring the ball.

    Simple fix and I bet it will be very effective.

  35. Cool story, bro. But it tell us nothing relevant. It’s not against the rules to:

    1) have a private room;
    2) limit access to said private room;
    3) film opponents & coaches & what they are doing;
    4) compile notes on opponents;

    Now, would you like to know why the tapes were destroyed?

    The NFL wanted to confiscate the tapes (which as BB knew, were not in violation of any sanctioned NFL rule) and BB refused (work product). Kraft was called. A compromise was reached: destroy the tapes. And so it was.

    “Evidence of Patriot cheating” was not destroyed because no crime was proven nor committed.

    Why did BB not more vociferously protest this absurd frame job, rather than (weakly) offering only “a different interpretation of the rules”? (Still think that was “arrogant of him, Pete, to not confess to a crime he did not commit?) Why? Walk in the Patriots locker room and you’ll see prominently displayed on the wall why: Ignore the Noise. Protesting his innocence would give more power to outside forces than he was prepared to concede.

    Any more questions?

    ——————

    It’s also why Goodell got nervous with the Walsh tapes. The whole argument for the NFL, knowing all teams film one another during games, that the sideline element was the violation, which based on the emphasis of the rule, the word changes he made to the rule and sent out on 9.6.06 to all 32 teams, had to be the thing.

    So, if Walsh just unloaded the tapes to some honorable person with access to the broadcast companies, say like someone not at ESPN since the NFL and ESPN have a multibillion dollar MNF contract, Goodell knew it would show other teams in Foxborough in the sidleines filming NE’s side of the field, which would make his Draconian punishment LOOK like he was cheatin the Pats.

    That’s why the tapes were destroyed. It’s the same reason why we never saw the McNally, Jastermski and Brady interview transmissions. Goodell doesn’t want the NFL customer to know that nothing happened and the context of any and all answers they all gave.

    Hence, also why only certain words were taken from their phones to frame.

    Of course friends and co-workers will joke and of course the word “deflate” may be used by people who job is partially to inflate or deflate balls at certain times, whether at practice or before a game to get them prepped.

    Arrest, try and convict Roger Goodell for consumer fraud.

  36. ““Each video sequence would usually include three shots: the down and distance, the signal, and, as an in-house joke, [something not fit for print here]

    The tapes would then go to a Belichick confidant named Ernie Adams, an “amateur historian of pro football,” who would have the tapes edited and match the notes of the play calls and signals to the action on the field.”

    With each post you make on this you show how little you actually know about the sport.

    It is not and never has been illegal to record other team’s signals. Some teams did it with cams, some simply had a low paid offensive assistant who sat on the sidelines charting the signals on paper, but its the job of every team to keep track of their opponent’s signals.

    It is also not and never has been illegal to have an assistant like Earnie Adams who does the things he does.

    Its pretty sad that you sit their crying about the mean ol’ Pats and Bill Belichick “cheating” when none of the things you’re crying about are illegal or cheating.

    In fact the only thing in spygate that was “cheating” was having a cam 30′ out of position in the age of the zoom lens, which makes the position irrelevant anyway. Had that cam been in the front row of the stands there would have been no violation at all and they would have gotten the same data. You want to act like that cam out of position was the crime of the century you can, but it only makes you look more foolish

  37. Just so we’re clear … $5+ million to determine the balls weren’t defective vs a (yet another) phone call to determine the balls weren’t defective.

    Carry on.

  38. In fact the only thing in spygate that was “cheating” was having a cam 30′ out of position in the age of the zoom lens, which makes the position irrelevant anyway. Had that cam been in the front row of the stands there would have been no violation at all and they would have gotten the same data. You want to act like that cam out of position was the crime of the century you can, but it only makes you look more foolish
    —————————————–
    There has never been a cheater in sports that didn’t attempt to hide what they were doing.

    At no time did Belichick try to hide where that camera was and what it was doing. As the man said himself… the camera was right there in front of 80,000 people to see.

    It ain’t rocket science folks.

  39. Yes two ball boys took it on their own to mess with balls, so they could lose such a cushy job. Yea we all believe this.

  40. aarons444 says:
    August 10, 2018 at 12:42 pm
    .. no questions at all.

    Its abundantly clear what the Patriots are.

    ——-
    5 time Champions and the greatest team of this century?

  41. FYI, “Deflategate” was likely NOT primarily due to issues with the Patriots themselves. The league was reeling in terms of public perception in the face of some bad/weak punishment decisions, and so it needed a scapegoat to show that it was capable of and willing to bring the hammer down. NE’s status as a team suspected of bad behavior AND as a major winning organization made it the perfect candidate, and so when the whiff of ball issues popped up, the league embraced it. I think it hoped that the deflation was legitimate, but when it realized that it was not it was perfectly capable of fabricating guilt anyways in order to get the job done.

  42. You haters want this to go away?
    Easy. Show us the PSI numbers. Prove one way or another what happened (or didn’t happen).

    But I think we all know what the results would show, which is why the NFL won’t release them….

  43. The Pats did it and other teams do it also, so in fairness the steelers should get the same penalty since they’ve been caught twice now

  44. “The fumes of Spygate collided with the reckless allegations of teams that resent the Patriots’ success, making league officials predisposed to assume the worst… ”
    ————–
    I think you’ve been reading too many comments from Patriots fans.

  45. That’s it – I’m smashing my phone, no longer calling equipment people deflators, not cooperating with investigations and using
    a suspicious trainer (just threw that in there) in Protest!

  46. Goodell moved the goal posts so many times, people forget Brady was not suspended for deflating FBs. That wasn’t proven. It was for conduct detrimental, so Goodell could preserve his power to do anything he wants

  47. GoodellMustGo says:
    August 10, 2018 at 12:59 pm

    Love this idea based on what I saw on another board. Easy way to prevent another ridiculous “scandal” like this…

    How about allowing a defense to use a team challenge to check if the offense’s or kickers football in play complies with legal inflation levels.

    If the refs find that PSI is illegal, the offense is nailed with an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and also their QB and coach are immediately ejected from the game. Not that different from catching a pitcher doctoring the ball.

    Simple fix and I bet it will be very effective.
    ——————–

    Since the air pressure in a football naturally fluctuates during a football game due to numerous factors, how about just going back to not worrying about it for another 100 years? The PSI rule is nothing more than the recommendation from Wilson, and the PSI level has absolutely nothing to do with gaining a competitive advantage.

    The kicking balls are handled by the referees.

  48. I like Tom Brady … a lot. The way he responded to his suspension by winning the Super Bowl was impressive. But “the elements” were an overlooked factor, not the dispositive one. Based on the evidence, it was more likely than not that TB asked the equipment folks to lower the PSI to make the balls easier to throw.

  49. steaksandwichandsteaksandwich says:
    August 10, 2018 at 2:23 pm
    I like Tom Brady … a lot. The way he responded to his suspension by winning the Super Bowl was impressive. But “the elements” were an overlooked factor, not the dispositive one. Based on the evidence, it was more likely than not that TB asked the equipment folks to lower the PSI to make the balls easier to throw.

    ——–

    Did he also ask them to lower the PSI of Andrew Luck’s footballs? If not…who did?

  50. tedmurph says:
    August 10, 2018 at 2:14 pm
    Goodell moved the goal posts so many times, people forget Brady was not suspended for deflating FBs. That wasn’t proven. It was for conduct detrimental, so Goodell could preserve his power to do anything he wants
    —————
    “Do we have proof that Mr. Brady stuck a needle in a ball or ordered someone to do it? No, we have no such direct evidence.”
    — The NFL, under oath, in federal court.

  51. It really warms my heart & soul to see all these crybaby fans of other teams on here….. The Patriots own you 24/7 365 days a year….. couldn’t ask for a more enjoyable thing than that as a Patriots fan…… JUST AWESOME!!!

  52. Deflategate was created by the Patriots. Lying to the NFL, destroying cell phones, etc. That’s what turned nothing into something.

    The Pats cheat so often, it was their gut reaction to act guilty and cover up even if in that case they actually didn’t do anything wrong.

    That’s why there won’t ever be another deflategate. Because if another team was found to have balls underinflated, they’d just say ‘my bad” and move on. Unlike the pats who when questioned, dove out a window, destroyed evidence, and yelled, you’ll never take me alive copper!

  53. billstime17 says:
    August 10, 2018 at 2:05 pm
    That’s it – I’m smashing my phone, no longer calling equipment people deflators, not cooperating with investigations and using
    a suspicious trainer (just threw that in there) in Protest!
    ========================
    So to be fair if al that was discovered on the Steelers cell phones we could rule out the whole defective ball nonsense, right?

  54. tedmurph says:
    August 10, 2018 at 2:14 pm
    Goodell moved the goal posts so many times, people forget Brady was not suspended for deflating FBs. That wasn’t proven. It was for conduct detrimental, so Goodell could preserve his power to do anything he wants

    ——————–

    Except there was no conduct detrimental. Brady interviewed for 4 hours, he offered up his phone, they recjected it, and then when they had nothing, they interviewed McNallya Jastremski 3 more times each, only to ask for a 5th interview before Kraft finally stepped in and called out the attempted framejob.

    The amount of lies that have come from the systematic cheating by Goodell and the cheating owners, is absolutely incredible.

    They all should be indicted and brought into court for consumer fraud.

  55. redsoxu571 says:
    August 10, 2018 at 1:37 pm
    FYI, “Deflategate” was likely NOT primarily due to issues with the Patriots themselves. The league was reeling in terms of public perception in the face of some bad/weak punishment decisions, and so it needed a scapegoat to show that it was capable of and willing to bring the hammer down. NE’s status as a team suspected of bad behavior AND as a major winning organization made it the perfect candidate, and so when the whiff of ball issues popped up, the league embraced it. I think it hoped that the deflation was legitimate, but when it realized that it was not it was perfectly capable of fabricating guilt anyways in order to get the job done.

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    It’s exactly what happened.

    The moron media are either complete morons, save for maybe Sally Jenkins of the Washington Post, or in on it, and know that NE is completely innocent.

    The media ignores key, obvious things like Goodell lying twice to protect the Ravens in the Ray Rice Fiasco,yet the media never asked Goodell why he DID lie twice when there was video evidence and Rice confessed.

    Why the two orders, Colonel? Did you order the code red?

    LMAO

    Goodell is Col. Nathan Jessup from A Few Good Men.

  56. , 2018 at 2:23 pm
    I like Tom Brady … a lot. The way he responded to his suspension by winning the Super Bowl was impressive. But “the elements” were an overlooked factor, not the dispositive one. Based on the evidence, it was more likely than not that TB asked the equipment folks to lower the PSI to make the balls easier to throw.
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    Sorry but it sure as bleep wasn’t the scientific evidence that’s for darn certain.

  57. With all due respect to Mr. Florio, there will be another #deflategate, as long as the Patriots are a successful team. It could be something that the league didn’t think was a big deal in the past, like using a cell phone or walkie-talkie on the sideline. Or something that they administered a light punishment to for other teams, like pumping in crowd noise.

    If the Patriots did anything like that in the future, it would be DefCon 1 territory, the biggest scandal the sport has ever known. After suspending someone, taking away a 1st round pick or two and a couple million dollars, the NFL would go back to treating those infractions like small fine/verbal warning situations.

  58. randomcommenter says:
    August 10, 2018 at 3:28 pm
    Deflategate was created by the Patriots. Lying to the NFL, destroying cell phones, etc. That’s what turned nothing into something.

    The Pats cheat so often, it was their gut reaction to act guilty and cover up even if in that case they actually didn’t do anything wrong.

    That’s why there won’t ever be another deflategate. Because if another team was found to have balls underinflated, they’d just say ‘my bad” and move on. Unlike the pats who when questioned, dove out a window, destroyed evidence, and yelled, you’ll never take me alive copper!
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    Which is exactly why the logs from the cell phone that proves Brady conspired the whole thing are still collecting dust without even being looked at. Or was it Brady stating from the very beginning the phone wasn’t going to be turned over. Every person involved was interviewed multiple times. It wasn’t until nothing showed up that the phone became obstruction and the quest to redefine 1000 year old science began.

    Dove out the window indeed.

  59. It really warms my heart & soul to see all these crybaby fans of other teams on here….. The Patriots own you 24/7 365 days a year….. couldn’t ask for a more enjoyable thing than that as a Patriots fan…… JUST AWESOME!!!

    What a shallow life you live if that is awesome to you….you need to get out more child.

  60. fireroger says:
    August 10, 2018 at 3:34 pm

    So to be fair if al that was discovered on the Steelers cell phones we could rule out the whole defective ball nonsense, right?
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    We’ll never know, since the NFL has never asked for the Roethlisberger or the Steelers equipment guy’s cell phones in either ball tampering situation. If the PSI of a football is the cornerstone of the integrity of the game, why isn’t the league interested in reviewing the communications between these guys?

  61. johnwaldron8 says:
    August 10, 2018 at 3:53 pm

    We’ll never know, since the NFL has never asked for the Roethlisberger or the Steelers equipment guy’s cell phones in either ball tampering situation. If the PSI of a football is the cornerstone of the integrity of the game, why isn’t the league interested in reviewing the communications between these guys?
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    Exactly. In some inexplicable twist of fate, karma or a Harry Potter wand, the NFL managed to determine with a single phone call the ball was defective despite having to spend over $5 million in a fraud of an investigation to do that exact same thing previously. Not once but twice. Give me a break already.

  62. tylawspick6 says:
    August 10, 2018 at 3:35 pm

    Except there was no conduct detrimental. Brady interviewed for 4 hours, he offered up his phone, they recjected it, and then when they had nothing, they interviewed McNallya Jastremski 3 more times each, only to ask for a 5th interview before Kraft finally stepped in and called out the attempted framejob.
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    Brady never offered up his phone.

  63. ladyjet says:

    August 10, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    Pats fans love keep this story alive, it will never die. HE CHEATED, CANT GO BACK AND CHANGE IT!
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    It’s sad that those on the far left side of the Bell Curve really have no choice and will always believe the “cheated” nonsense because they someone read them then headline from the cover of a tabloid while they were standing in the supermarket checkout line.

  64. People, get a life! We all know the NFL is corrupt, especially, when it comes to Deflategate.

    Remember, cheaters never prosper? The Pats have been to 8 Super bowls, 7 straight AFC Championship games, and 3 out of 4 Super Bowls and winning 2. Brady and the team are just fine.

  65. How did I know every chowderhead weenie Pats fan would be all over this when it was first announced, screaming and whining — how about dining on your crow like men now that it’s been identified as defective ball?

  66. Never said Brady was guilty of Conduct Detrimental, tinfoilpk6, just that that was Goodell’s excuse for suspending him. Try to follow along.

    ampats is just as bad. Florio just explained that the NFL will never go there again. FB was defective. Ya ok. In the immortal words of Charles E Winchester, Andy Dufresne and the worst poster on PFT, ‘Don’t be so obtuse.’

  67. If the science argument didn’t convince you that Deflategate was propaganda at its worst, we will need to send you away for de-programming.

    Note: On January 8, 2015, just 10 days before the Colts-Pats AFCCG on january 18, the New York Times posted an article about Goodell’s handling of the Ray Rice case, including this quote:

    “…set off a ferocious backlash against the N.F.L. for its handling of domestic violence cases and prompted calls for Mr. Goodell’s resignation.”

    If you’re making $30+ Million a year, does it make sense to spend $5M on a distraction involving one of the sports world’s biggest celebrities, in which you can rig the game to come out looking like one of the good guys ?

    The sad thing is that the scheme worked perfectly, there hasn’t been a whiff of meaningful coverage of the Ray Rice fiasco, and calls for Goodell’s head have gone silent (except in New England…).

  68. It never ceases to amaze me how much the haters just want to ignore the real facts and cry “cheating”. Then they follow up with “Pats fans need to let it go”. Hmmmm…

    Is it really any wonder why we might still hold a grudge? Not 1 but 2 major incidents of false accusations with outrageous punishments that saw our team labeled as cheaters and cost us 2 first round draft picks and another fourth round pick. Personally I wonder what might have been if we had those picks? A first round defensive LB or DB coming into his 3rd year of play might have had at least some impact during the most recent SB don’t you think? Of course it’s all “what might have been”, we’ll obviously never know. But don’t think for a second that any real Pats fan is ever going to “let it go”.

    If you really want us to then here’s what it will take…
    – 2 first round picks and a another 4th rounder.
    – A public apology from Roger himself as he resigns.
    – An apology from every hater on these boards.
    – Another ring. This for all the distractions (media leading up to multiple super bowls) and disadvantages (loss of draft picks) we had to endure.

  69. One more thing… and please just try and muster all you’re mental capabilities for this one… Tom Brady’s smashed cell phone.

    – He already provided all the necessary transcripts
    – Once providing those “private” messages, the NFL accidentally leaked some of the text messages (remember Brady joking about beating Manning’s records or about the white pool cover? Look it up)
    – Now, months later the NFL asks to see the phone, after already saying they didn’t need it and then leaking some of the information they already had.

    Now, even if you think he’s guilty, just try to pretend for one second that he might not be and ask yourself this – would you still give these clowns, who are clearly out to get you, your phone? Even if you were innocent?

    I know I wouldn’t. No way! That thing would be at the bottom of the ocean! And every one of you would do the same even if you won’t admit it here.

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