Jon Gruden’s return ends with a play reminiscent of the tuck rule

AP

Jon Gruden’s final game as the head coach of the Raiders was the Tuck Rule Game in January of 2002, which appeared to end with an Oakland victory on a Tom Brady fumble, only to have it ruled an incomplete pass on replay, with the Raiders going on to lose. Gruden must have been feeling deja vu on Friday night.

Gruden, now back as the Raiders’ head coach, made his preseason debut against the Lions on Friday night, and the game ended on a play reminiscent of the tuck rule.

Lions quarterback Matt Cassel — Brady’s former backup — dropped back to pass with Detroit trailing 16-10 and 32 seconds left. He was hit, the ball came loose, and the Raiders pounced on it. Just as there was in the infamous tuck rule game, there was some question over whether it should have been ruled a fumble or a forward pass.

“Was the arm in motion? The last Jon Gruden game as a Raider was the tuck rule,” Raiders preseason announcer Beth Mowins said. “Just throwing that out there.”

The officials ruled it a fumble, didn’t review it, and the Raiders won the game. The tuck rule no longer exists in the NFL, having been eliminated in 2013. But as Gruden saw the end of the game unfold, he must have been flashing back to his last game as Oakland’s coach, sixteen and a half years ago.

47 responses to “Jon Gruden’s return ends with a play reminiscent of the tuck rule

  1. What a game the ‘Tuck Rule’ game was. It was the correct call, under the rule and the Raiders could have defended their lead, but they gave up.

    Watching the fans throwing the snow in the air under the lights was quite the sight at old Sullivan Stadium.

  2. The only people that thought the “tuck call” was correct are Patriot fans. The same whiners who are still complaining about the calls that didn’t go their way in last years Superbowl.

  3. Lions lose on a questionable call and the refs don’t even bother reviewing it? Looks like the officials are getting ready for the regular season too. Lions get hosed more than any other team in the NFL.

  4. Raider fans will now cry bitter tears about a rule that was called correctly and pretend their supposedly great defense didn’t blow it twice after that not being able to stop the Pats from driving down the field and scoring.

  5. I think it would be best if raider fans just own that loss and stop blaming the rules. Then again bringing all those tears to the desert could be beneficial.
    Just move baby.

  6. The call during the Snow Job game was not the correct call per the rules at the time. Even following that horribly worded rule, it still should have been ruled a fumble because both of Brady’s hands were on the ball prior to it being knocked out. The ball was ‘tucked’ and subsequently fumbled. There clearly was not sufficient evidence to overturn the call on the field. Worst call in sports history.

  7. officialgame says:
    August 11, 2018 at 6:11 am
    The only people that thought the “tuck call” was correct are Patriot fans. The same whiners who are still complaining about the calls that didn’t go their way in last years Superbowl.
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    There’s a crucial difference: the awful Tuck Rule was correctly called. The bobbled TD and “Philly Special” were not. But the only 17yr-long whiners are Gruden, Raider fans and salty Pats-haters.

  8. As a Pats fan I like to think Brady fumbled and the Raiders got screwed. 🙂

    Payback for Ben Dreith stealing a Super Bowl from the Pats with a non existent roughing the passer (even Snake said he wasn’t touched) and handing the opportunity to the Raiders.

  9. All the “Tuck Rule” did was give the Patriots 2nd and 10 from the 42 with 1:50 left to play. It didn’t give them points or field position. Brady and Vinatieri did the rest.

    Hater Raiders fans think their team was better than that year’s Patriots team, and they are wrong.

  10. With regard to Tuck game, of course Brady fumbled, but 2 things are forgotten as they applied to “coaching legend” for this game.

    (1) the Raiders ended the 2001 regular season on a 3 game losing streak (yeah, Gruden lost his last 3 regular season games in his 1st Raiders’ stint). Had they won even one of those last 3 games, they would’ve hosted the divisional round game and wouldn’t have had to travel to a snowy site.

    (2) the Raiders could’ve iced that game late in the 4th quarter on 3rd-and-1 at their 44 yard line if Gruden’s short yardage “money back” Zach Crocket had been able to deliver. As it was, Crockett failed to get that 1 yard and Gruden elected to punt rather than going for it on 4th-and-one. And in the series before that (also late in the 4th quarter) the offense went 3-and-out. So Gruden’s vaunted offensive mind failed to deliver 1st downs that could’ve helped run down the clock (or even denied the Pats offense from getting back onto the field).

    Personally I find the the 1977 AFC Championship Game loss to be much more painful because the Raiders had a great team that year despite being riddled with injuries and it denied the Raiders the chance to get back-to-back Super Bowl titles.

  11. araidersfan says:
    August 11, 2018 at 11:08 am

    Personally I find the the 1977 AFC Championship Game loss to be much more painful because the Raiders had a great team that year despite being riddled with injuries and it denied the Raiders the chance to get back-to-back Super Bowl titles.

    76 was a very good Raider team even though the refs helped you beat the Patriots in the playoffs with a terrible roughing the passer penalty, in 77 the Raiders were lucky to beat the Colts in the playoffs.

  12. All the “Tuck Rule” did was give the Patriots 2nd and 10 from the 42 with 1:50 left to play. It didn’t give them points or field position.
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    it gave them the BALL!!!…no Ball just kneel

  13. Silly chowds.

    It WAS NOT roughing the passer in ‘76, or was it ‘78…

    It WAS a fumble that day in the snow.

    Then, to add insult to injury, they wait for the old man to die before dropping the rule.

    The NFL and the other 31 have it out for the RAIDERS.

    Always have, always will.

  14. It stills bother me to this day that the refs used a rule that doesn’t exist today, that cost the raiders a Superbowl appearance.

    You can’t tell me the NFL isn’t rigged.

    When betting, always look up the referees for each game. Trust me.

  15. mullman76 says:
    August 11, 2018 at 12:42 pm
    Silly chowds.

    It WAS NOT roughing the passer in ‘76, or was it ‘78…

    It WAS a fumble that day in the snow.

    Then, to add insult to injury, they wait for the old man to die before dropping the rule.
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    The NFL and the other 31 have it out for the RAIDERS.

    Always have, always will.

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    Wasn’t alive in the 70s, so I can’t comment on that, but it WASN’T a fumble because of the rule. It’s the same for all of the catches that were called non-catches. The rules stipulated otherwise.

    Lol at thinking they made the rule as some sort of way to screw over the Raiders.

  16. tj.52 says:
    August 11, 2018 at 10:51 am

    All the “Tuck Rule” did was give the Patriots 2nd and 10 from the 42 with 1:50 left to play. It didn’t give them points or field position. Brady and Vinatieri did the rest.
    )))))))))
    One of the dumbest posts you will see here. Without the ball what could Brady and Vinatieri do about the outcome of the game? You got a call from the refs don’t act like it was deserved or correct when it wasn’t.

  17. Back then, Gruden’s star was rising. Bellichik? He’d been around with different teams with not much success. He stole Gruden’s destiny when he sold his soul to Satan
    Gruden has a score to settle.
    It always felt like the call for Zack Crockett into the teeth of that defense to ice the game was too tame for Gruden. At that moment, I felt like Chucky lost his nerve because of the snow. This, he gave his mojo to Billichik in the process because he called the exact play Billichik was hoping for.
    Thus, Gruden bet everything on that call and lost.
    “Stop us!”
    “Okay. Just call that dive to Zach”
    “Ok”
    I wonder, if he were faced with that same decision today, would he still call Crockett’s number?
    As soon as he got stuffed, I just knew they were going to lose.

  18. “It stills bother me to this day that the refs used a rule that doesn’t exist today, that cost the raiders a Superbowl appearance.”

    The Tuck Rule was installed in 1999. In the first 3 years including the 2001 season it was called an average of once per season per team in favor of the opposing team.

    In fact earlier that season the Pats had a turnover by the Jets reversed because of the Tuck Rule, quite possibly costing them the game. Every team go hit by the tuck once per season or so and whether or not it is a rule today is irrelevant.

    And no the Tuck didn’t cost the Raiders a Super Bowl appearance, it was the inability of the Raiders D to stop the Pats from driving down and getting to tie the score, and then again to win. Twice the Raiders D blew it. That’s what cost you the Super Bowl appearance.

  19. Lost to the Patriots. Lost to the Bucs the next year. Then disappeared forever. Truly, one of the greatest dynasties ever, good luck in Vegas or Alberquerque or wherever.

  20. Snake Stabler said he wasn’t touched on the bogus roughing the passer call that cost a superior Pats team a trip to the Super Bowl.

    Dreith afterward admitted he hated the Patriots so that puts that call into perspective.

    THAT is the worst call in the history of the league. By a mile.

  21. The Raiders effort in this first preseason game was excellent. It is obvious that coaching was a huge factor in the abysmal 2017 season. Connor Cook looked like a legitimate QB. Many of the defensive rookies shined throughout the game. The defense stonewalled the Lions throughout. If not for a holding call, Lynch would have had a 60 yard TD run. So instead of using some of these highlights for your articles about the game, we instead focus on Bryant being on the “second” team, Lynch sitting for the anthem, and the game ending in a “Tuck Rule” situation.

  22. To put it in perspective, if the Colts beat the patriots in the exact same manner with a bogus tuck rule going in favor of Peyton Manning, patriot fans woyldbe wailing and crying about it in every Colts article to this day, calling it a fake title, the league wanted Peyton to win, the NFL is rigged against them. Yet when it favors these clowns, their entire argument shifts to what it is now. The most pathetic joke of a fanbase in all of sports.

  23. officialgame says:
    August 11, 2018 at 6:11 am
    The only people that thought the “tuck call” was correct are Patriot fans. The same whiners who are still complaining about the calls that didn’t go their way in last years Superbowl.
    ————————-
    Actually the only people thinking the call was incorrect are arguing that when they fixed the rule in 2013 it should have been retroactive to a game a decade before.

  24. @saintsday: I was alive in the 70’s.

    I appreciate your response.

    The rule was used to screw the RAIDERS that day, in the snow.

    Insult was added to injury when they scrapped the rule after the late, great Al Davis died.

    Everything else is semantics.

  25. fmc651 says:
    August 11, 2018 at 1:47 pm
    tj.52 says:
    August 11, 2018 at 10:51 am

    All the “Tuck Rule” did was give the Patriots 2nd and 10 from the 42 with 1:50 left to play. It didn’t give them points or field position. Brady and Vinatieri did the rest.
    )))))))))
    One of the dumbest posts you will see here. Without the ball what could Brady and Vinatieri do about the outcome of the game? You got a call from the refs don’t act like it was deserved or correct when it wasn’t.
    ———————-
    The truth of that post might anger and frustrate you, but its not dumb. All the Raider defense had to do was stop a team from driving down the field with the clock from running out. They did not. And that defensive choke was not the only thing that led to that loss. As another poster pointed out, the Raiders had several chances to put that game away earlier so that the play you are upset about is meaningless.

    Football is a 60 minute game and the teams that play the full 60 are the ones that win. Its lame loser crybaby stuff to pick any one play out of those 60 minutes and start saying that one play is why their team lost. If you rewatch the game you will see many plays that led to that loss. You will also see a bunch of things that went against the Pats that they werent already leading by that point. Such is football. 60 minutes.

  26. GoodellMustGo says:
    August 11, 2018 at 2:02 pm
    Snake Stabler said he wasn’t touched on the bogus roughing the passer call that cost a superior Pats team a trip to the Super Bowl.

    Dreith afterward admitted he hated the Patriots so that puts that call into perspective.

    THAT is the worst call in the history of the league. By a mile.

    ——————-+
    Football is a 60 minute game in which lots if things happen, any one if them which can change the outcome if they hadn’t. So I dont buy that call as costing the Patriots the game any more than I buy the tuck rulle as costing the Raiders the game. I dont even buy the calls in this past Superbowl as costing the Patriors the game. It wasnt the refs that lost those tames in any of those cases. It was the losing team.

  27. Tuck Rule, phantom roughing the passer, Holy Roller…Most teams have some of these kinds of things go their way, while some go against them. Isn’t really worth the energy to still be furious about getting screwed, maybe, or not, 20, 30, 40 years ago.

  28. Phil Simms called it IMMEDIATELY before the ref returned from review. I’ve seen it 109 times, like all Patriots fans and the right call was made. Patriot haters saw the game once and think they know it all. They’re wrong, just like deflategate, just like spygate. I want to know what numbers patriot haters refuse to play in the powerball.

  29. TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    August 11, 2018 at 12:12 pm

    araidersfan says:
    August 11, 2018 at 11:08 am

    Personally I find the the 1977 AFC Championship Game loss to be much more painful because the Raiders had a great team that year despite being riddled with injuries and it denied the Raiders the chance to get back-to-back Super Bowl titles.

    76 was a very good Raider team even though the refs helped you beat the Patriots in the playoffs with a terrible roughing the passer penalty, in 77 the Raiders were lucky to beat the Colts in the playoffs.

    ==================

    I think that Al Davis had a point when he called the ’77 Raiders one of the franchise’s all-time best teams. They managed to go 11-3 despite a rash of injuries that would’ve caused most other teams to finish with a losing record.

    The Raiders-Colts matchup was nothing if not one of most exciting playoff games in NFL history (constant lead switches in regulation; game going to double overtime) and the Colts had a good team.

    The officials botched call on the Lytle Fumble in the ’77 AFC Championship was in my opinion one of the biggest robberies ever and was pivotal enough that it derailed the Raiders from meeting the Cowboys in the Super Bowl. That botched call was so bad that for PR purposes, the league was forced to send an apology letter to the Raiders (despite the fact that Rozelle and Davis despised each other). Also it was a major impetus for instituting replay reviews going forward.

    In my view, the Tuck Game ruling pales in comparison to the ’77 Lytle Fumble fiasco – that Raiders-Pats game was only a divisional playoff game and considering that the 2001 Raiders were a flawed team (especially on defense) there’s no certainty that they would’ve advanced beyond the AFC Championship game if they had beaten the Pats.

  30. In my view, the Tuck Game ruling pales in comparison to the ’77 Lytle Fumble fiasco – that Raiders-Pats game was only a divisional playoff game and considering that the 2001 Raiders were a flawed team (especially on defense) there’s no certainty that they would’ve advanced beyond the AFC Championship game if they had beaten the Pats.
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    I think the Raiders would have beaten Pit. They had the right kind of offense to match up with the Steelers and Kordell Stewart isn’t exactly Brady. 🙂 Probably wouldn’t have beaten the Rams though…

  31. I love when people say that the game is 60 minutes and should never come down to a bad call. LoL lots of really close hard fought games where both teams are playing their hearts out to win have had the outcome changed by one horrible call. I have seen it over and over in this league. One bad call can change the outcome of a game. Especially when a team exerts all of their energy to try to make a stop and then they come through with a fumble only to have it taken away. Something like that can really bring down moral.

  32. All this banter about a meaningless game. What about the terrible showing by Derek Carr? 2 of his 4 pass attempts should have been picked. Conner Cook is miles better. I wonder how long it will take Gruden to figure that out.

  33. slick50kc says:
    August 11, 2018 at 11:31 pm

    All this banter about a meaningless game. What about the terrible showing by Derek Carr? 2 of his 4 pass attempts should have been picked. Conner Cook is miles better. I wonder how long it will take Gruden to figure that out.

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    Derek Carr is a system-QB so he’s basically as good as the offensive coaches who call his plays. He thrived under Musgrave and was bad under Downing.

    Now Gruden is in charge. Gruden is not only a mediocre HC but I always thought that he was vastly overrated as an offensive mind. Gruden’s preferred offense is the dink-and-dunk scheme (“West Coast Offense”) which is a misfit for Carr and a waste of his arm strength. Also the OC is Greg Olson who was with the Raiders in Carr’s rookie year and while Olson wasn’t as bad as Downing, he was nowhere near as good as Musgrave.

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