Two Broncos stay in tunnel for anthem, despite 2017 decision by players to stand

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Saturday night’s game between the Broncos and Vikings included no players protesting during the national anthem. However, a pair of Denver players remained in the tunnel, and the team didn’t know that would be happening.

Receiver Demaryius Thomas and linebacker Brandon Marshall (pictured) opted to pick a middle ground between the field and the locker room, technically a violation of Anthem Policy 2.0. You know, the one that’s still in effect but won’t be enforced against players until further notice.

“It’s their right,” Broncos coach Vance Joseph told reporters after the game. “We didn’t know about that, but it’s their right.”

Was Joseph disappointed he didn’t know that they planned to stay in the tunnel?

“I’m not,” Joseph said. “Again, it’s their right. It’s their right and my focus in pregame is on the football game — not who’s in the tunnel for the anthem. My focus is on our team during the pregame.”

G.M. John Elway and team president Joe Ellis may disagree with Joseph. Ellis already had met with the team over Anthem Policy 2.0, and the most popular player on the team already had declared the issue over and out.

“We have an understanding as players of what needs to be done regarding the national anthem,’’ linebacker Von Miller said in May, shortly after the new league policy was passed. “We were already done with that last year. We came together as a team last year. It’s a situation that we’re already passed last year. So any new policy that the league imposes, it really doesn’t affect us because we were already done a season ago.”

What was done a year ago was a decision by players to stand for the anthem. Which means that what was done a year ago may not be done now. The decision by Thomas and Marshall to break from the players-only position on the matter is thus significant. It’s also relevant because, as the league explained it after a smattering of protests on Thursday night, Anthem Policy 2.0 remains in effect, even if teams and the league can’t impose discipline on players for it.

This implies that, in theory, the league can still fine the teams whose players violate Anthem Policy 2.0. And it will be interesting to see whether the NFL actually imposes fines against any teams with players who protested during the anthem at a time when the league and the union have been trying to work out Anthem Policy 3.0.

129 responses to “Two Broncos stay in tunnel for anthem, despite 2017 decision by players to stand

  1. 2016: Stopped watching all non-Bengals (my team) games.
    2017: Only watched 9 NFL games all year (all Bengals).
    2018: ?

    Keep going, NFL. You’ve already lost plenty like me. Guys who were die-hard NFL fans. We will “protest” with our wallets and our viewing habits.

  2. Knowing who doesn’t stand isn’t enough. I want interviews with every player asking whether or not they love America, the military, and law enforcement.

  3. The easy fix here would be to go back to a time when players weren’t on the field during the anthem. You know, like 10 years ago…

  4. It’s your right to do whatever is within your rights.

    I’m not sure why we (including PFT commenters) all have to proclaim what our rights are to each other. People everywhere want to throw this around in everybody’s faces. And it accomplishes exactly what? Nothing.

  5. “I’m not,” Joseph said. “Again, it’s their right. It’s their right and my focus in pregame is on the football game — not who’s in the tunnel for the anthem.”

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    Maybe some of these people who are so upset with what the players are doing before the game should adopt the same approach, just worry about the game …the people who are most vocal and most offended are also likely to not give a damn about what the players are protesting anyway…no matter how many times its explained…too bad they blindly follow a draft dodging coward who uses phony patriotism to rally those who can’t form an independent thought of their own…ironically, their “patriotic” president insults those captured serving this country and gets on his knees for the Russian president Vladimir Putin…

  6. And until is was brought up by reporters, I bet there weren’t 13 people in the stands or on TV who even noticed that these players were in the tunnel and not on the sideline.

  7. A game that can be controlled at the whim of officials, with arm tackling instead of collisions played by millionaires who disrespect the country that allows them to do all of this is very quickly becoming uninteresting. I’ll be watching more NCAA and less NFL this year.

  8. The NFL’s policies are mind boggling. Have you ever thought about why the NBA players, a huge majority of which are black stand for the anthem but NFL players don’t. Does it anything to do with the NBA players having guaranteed contracts? If you don’t think so guess again, they don’t want to mess up a good thing. If these payers want tp protest something I suggest protesting the minimal punishments blacks get in Chicago for crimes committed which allows them back on the streets in no time. Go to Chicago and make difference if you want to help solve black on black crime.

  9. steelers58blog says:
    August 12, 2018 at 9:20 am

    I cannot wait in a couple of years for the replacement players.

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    The replacement League is coming sooner

  10. I demand to know which football man doesn’t respect our troops. Even if he signs a sworn statement pledging respect for our men in uniform, I’ll know he’s lying based on his pregame actions and how the POTUS interprets it.

  11. @tangotwo….actually, the reason NBA players stand is that is was mandated in their last collecting bargaining agreement with the owners that they would do so. The players union agreed to it, and so it is. It has NOTHING to do with guaranteed contracts.

  12. So they have this compromise and some posters still think it’s the end of the world…….Hypocrites.

  13. If you’re talking with you wallet, then stop watching. No need to tell everyone about it…repeatedly, ad nauseum, etc.

  14. theright0pinion says:
    August 12, 2018 at 9:34 am
    steelers58blog says:
    August 12, 2018 at 9:20 am

    I cannot wait in a couple of years for the replacement players.

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    The replacement League is coming sooner

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    The XFL Baby!

  15. Do they stop selling beer and food during the national anthem? Do you at home stand up and take your hat off and put your hand on your heart whenever you hear the national anthem? I don’t think so. At this point it’s a rebellion of not being forced by the league to conform.

  16. Stand up and shut up,or they dont play and no pay either. Hit them in their pockets. it’s got ridiculous. Spoilt brats is what they are.We the fans pay their dues.

  17. This is football….these guys are as well versed in actual politics as most of us are in the intricacies of a 3-4 defense. Why dont we (fans and media) ALL stop worrying about what these kids stand (or dont stand) for and just concentrate on FOOTBALL?

  18. If you think an NFL game is no place for a protest, I’d probably also suggest that it’s no more inappropriate than having a pregame pro-America rally. We’ve been arguing about this for like two years now, and I still have yet to hear a legitimate point as to why we’re playing anthems at non-Olympic sporting events, or ANY paid leisure activity. Is that part of my ticket cost?

  19. Hello it’s called tradition. Talk about chaos & letting the inmates run the asylum. Try living outside the US for awhile & then see how “bad” we are or how we treat people. I lived in Colombia for 2 yrs & got down on the tarmac & kissed the ground. While in Bogata, I saw tanks rolling down the streets, kid’s begging on buses daily, having to stand in line to buy sugar & then another line to buy meat due to rationing and having armed military board our tourist bus to check id’s. Fun times. Is the US perfect no country is perfect. Can we be more inclusive – Yup. But why not take the top players ie DT for Denver & do interviews or donate to causes you believe in?

  20. The viewer ratings have to drop dramatically before the NFL feels the pain. The Network contracts I think have a few more years. So, we can complain but it will have no effect. The players protesting are somewhat like ‘sports’ journalists–they are just talking to themselves in public. Self-aggrandizing even marketing themselves, not doing anything noble and effectual. As a fan tiring of the coverage, it is not the players ‘protesting’ some esoteric cause but the media’s stoking the friction; it is not informing its audience rather it is virtue signaling. It is moral cotton candy long past its expiry date.

  21. revren10 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 9:34 am
    Blame this on Obama and his attack on the military and Law Enforcement.
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    Obama had the potential to unite the country. Instead he did the opposite and it will take a decade or more to recover—what a shame.

  22. Was Joseph disappointed he didn’t know that they planned to stay in the tunnel?

    “I’m not,” Joseph said.
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    You should be disappointed. It’s called RESPECT and it’s obvious you don’t have any from the players as a whole if they don’t communicate with you.

  23. Can’t wait to hear all the crybabies whine about this. When are you going to follow through with your threats to be “done with the NFL”? please make that happen soon because presumably you won’t have any reason to come here and post either since you won’t be watching the games

  24. Where was all this patriotism from the fans when the NFL and teams charged the military 6 million dollars ??

  25. curmudgeon13 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 10:53 am
    I dumped Sunday Ticket last year. This year? I may not even tune in to local affiliates. Nearly Finished League……

    Please follow through with your threats. You won’t be missed

  26. What exactly have these “protests” accomplished? Have the alleged abuses or oppression been eliminated or reduced? What is the goal of the protests? (One that is definable as the point the protests end because they achieved the goal). When is the last time you read a story about the protest that even mentioned why they were protesting? Last year? The year before? All the stories I have seen lately are about the flag controversy, a power struggle between players/league or a simple listing of who did what. The protests’ only achievement that I can see. outside of face-time/social media cred for the kneelers themselves, has been to divide fans into two groups: those against disrespecting the flag and those who claim the players should be able to do whatever they want. In other words the “protests” have been a colossal failure…unless the goal was to simply anger fans.

  27. downtownswinga says:
    August 12, 2018 at 9:19 am
    “I’m not,” Joseph said. “Again, it’s their right. It’s their right and my focus in pregame is on the football game — not who’s in the tunnel for the anthem.”

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    Maybe some of these people who are so upset with what the players are doing before the game should adopt the same approach, just worry about the game …the people who are most vocal and most offended are also likely to not give a damn about what the players are protesting anyway…no matter how many times its explained…too bad they blindly follow a draft dodging coward who uses phony patriotism to rally those who can’t form an independent thought of their own…ironically, their “patriotic” president insults those captured serving this country and gets on his knees for the Russian president Vladimir Putin…
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    Draft dodging coward? Are you talking about John McCain? Did you know Senator McCain’s first wife divorced him because of his infidelity? I’ll worry about just the game. Don’t cry collusion though when you get cut!

  28. tonyzendejas says:
    “Knowing who doesn’t stand isn’t enough. I want interviews with every player asking whether or not they love America, the military, and law enforcement.”

    I served in the military, love my country and very much support these players with their very peaceful protests… Many of us that served ,did so believing that we were supporting, and maintaining our, and your, freedoms. This isn’t a my way of the highway type issue.

    Just wondering, for all those that are so against this, did you serve, are you a policeman? How exactly, other than apparently making sure you are there standing for the National Anthem and not getting a beer at the time, do you show your patriotism? What makes so many people here think that they deserve more of a right to speak out on this issue than the players?

  29. The NFL continues to break its own revenue records every year, including each of the last 2 years, and this issue has the attention of a lot of people. Everyone is still talking about it. The NFL will continue to massage this issue as long as it contributes to them raking in record revenue numbers. I’ve been watching NFL football for 50 years, so I don’t need the side show to put my butt on the couch every Sunday, but this issue has made NFL football the thing to watch for millions of casual fans. It’s pure genius by the NFL, and the president has helped contribute to the record cashflow by keeping the issue alive.

  30. downtownswinga says:

    too bad they blindly follow a draft dodging coward
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    I’m a 24 year veteran. If I had been a millionaire I wouldn’t have gone into the military. Trump wasn’t an anti-war protester, he was rich. It’s interesting how leftists praise draft dodgers as long as they’re anti-war liberals. But with Trump you try to act outraged.

  31. All you folks that are upset with the player protests during the national anthem: How are YOU protesting institutionalized bias against young black males by law enforcement and our court system?

  32. charliecharger says:

    The NFL continues to break its own revenue records every year, including each of the last 2 years,
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    Because of contracts with cable companies which were already signed. CNN survives only because of that.

  33. ayokel21 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 11:17 am
    Just here to laugh at the impotent rage from all the “God and country” types. LOL.

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    My faith in the overall intelligence of humanity takes a heavy hit every time I hear that phrase, lmao

  34. my god..colin kaepernick took goodell to school…this should have been nipped in the bud right after the first time. the fact that we’re talking about kneeling in 2018 is an absolute farce. & they resigned goodell..they resigned him for his complete & utter incompetence..truly astounding. nobody wants to have sjw politics thrown in their face. this is 1000% on goodell.

  35. sanshen01 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 11:25 am
    tonyzendejas says:
    “Knowing who doesn’t stand isn’t enough. I want interviews with every player asking whether or not they love America, the military, and law enforcement.”

    I served in the military, love my country and very much support these players with their very peaceful protests… Many of us that served ,did so believing that we were supporting, and maintaining our, and your, freedoms. This isn’t a my way of the highway type issue.

    Just wondering, for all those that are so against this, did you serve, are you a policeman? How exactly, other than apparently making sure you are there standing for the National Anthem and not getting a beer at the time, do you show your patriotism? What makes so many people here think that they deserve more of a right to speak out on this issue than the players?
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    I served probably much longer than you. I don;t support their protest and don’t personalty know anyone who does.

  36. edon8334 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 9:22 am
    maybe if Trump would stick to politics and not tweet about it this would go away.

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    Maybe if the players would just stick to football, this would all go away.

  37. edon8334 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 9:22 am

    maybe if Trump would stick to politics and not tweet about it this would go away

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    Maybe if people could remember back further then five minutes, they’d realize it was going on long before Trump said anything.

  38. fearsome4 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 11:46 am
    All you folks that are upset with the player protests during the national anthem: How are YOU protesting institutionalized bias against young black males by law enforcement and our c

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    By suggesting they stop braking the law and comply fully with police when encoutered. Another good thing would be if black dads would actually stay around and raise their kids

  39. tonyzendejas says:
    August 12, 2018 at 9:14 am
    Knowing who doesn’t stand isn’t enough. I want interviews with every player asking whether or not they love America, the military, and law enforcement.

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    You’re aware that none of these things are requirements for residency, nor should they be, in America or anywhere. Reconsider the way you view life. “Residency” basically equals “being alive somewhere”, and as an animal of earth, I reserve the right to roam the planet freely as any other animal can, influenced only by climate and other natural factors. You don’t have to get caught up in the fabricated reality that is human society, we aren’t meant for this naturally, man.

  40. 17 years of Sunday Ticket, cancelled. I would buy 3-4 game and Authentic Jerseys per year, have not bought one in 2 years. I would buy NFL merch every bday, Christmas, for family and friends, have not bought NFL merch in 2 years. I would attend 1-2 NFL games per year, have not been to a game in 2 years.Have not watched a full NFL game in over a year. Our lives have never been better! Lots more time and money for College football

  41. downtownswinga says:
    August 12, 2018 at 9:19 am

    ironically, their “patriotic” president insults those captured serving this country
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    I assume you’re talking about Senator McCain. He was shot down because he disobeyed orders and flew below a set combat altitude over Hanoi. Once captured the NVA called him Songbird because he told them anything they wanted to know. He also made multiple propaganda videos and helped the enemy adjust their anti aircraft guns for maximum effect. He should have been tried for treason but was the son and grandson of famous Admirals so it was buried.

  42. Hey Vance, the Denver Broncos are a private employer. Your employees only have the “rights” you allow them to have. The Constitution restricts activity by the Federal Government not you.

    It is vitally important that you understand this fact.

  43. fearsome4 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 11:46 am
    All you folks that are upset with the player protests during the national anthem: How are YOU protesting institutionalized bias against young black males by law enforcement and our court system?
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    How many people died or were shot in Chicago last weekend? How many were black on black crimes? Wake up people, where is the BLM in Chicago? Or the NAACP?, the ALCU? Nowhere because it doesn’t fit their agenda. How many players are protesting the killing of young black men by other young black men? I’m tired and disgusted by the hypocrisy of people. How are YOU protesting the so-called bias? Message board tirades? Well done!

  44. “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.” – Colin Kaepernick, 2016
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    It’s always been an anti-American protest.

  45. How many people died or were shot in Chicago last weekend? How many were black on black crimes? Wake up people, where is the BLM in Chicago? Or the NAACP?, the ALCU? Nowhere because it doesn’t fit their agenda. How many players are protesting the killing of young black men by other young black men? I’m tired and disgusted by the hypocrisy of people. How are YOU protesting the so-called bias? Message board tirades? Well done!
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    Cops killing people is a different issue than people killing people. I don’t know why this is so difficult to comprehend for some.

  46. Added yet another team I will boycott on TV this year. Keep it up NFL. Get a clue players, you’re going to win yourself a front row seat to a “real” job soon enough. Just be grateful you live in this country where you can play football and earn millions, all while complaining about the country. But don’t disrespect the very symbol of what gives you those freedoms!

  47. Michael E says:
    August 12, 2018 at 11:45 am

    I’m a 24 year veteran. If I had been a millionaire I wouldn’t have gone into the military. Trump wasn’t an anti-war protester, he was rich. It’s interesting how leftists praise draft dodgers as long as they’re anti-war liberals. But with Trump you try to act outraged.

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    Thank you for your service to yourself by following a financial opportunity.

  48. In the beginning, one a handful of players knelt for the anthem, and I despised them for mixing protest with patriotism – yet I was biased from my view as a white men who had never faced social injustice. Since then though, those players have only been proven right.

    It is not the players who confuse protest with Patriotism, or who are inappropriatly using the anthem for their own selfish purpose – it is the President who is doing so. A President’s duty is to protect and forward civil rights; not plot against and reduce it with hateful rhetoric of false Patriotism.

    I was at the 2017 Pats-Texans game when the NFL players as a large group first took a stand against the President’s hate and ignorance, by taking a prayer-like knee. Intially, I was mad and disappointed. Then I enjoyed an amazing Brady-Watson dual. On the way home, I expressed further frustration over the anthem; until a friend played a video of the President’s ignorant, hateful rhetoric that week at an NRA rally…calling the NFL sissy’s for worrying about head injuries, while also calling for a visable American employer of a high population minorities, to fire their employees who exercise their civil right to peacefully protest against the social injustice they have personally experienced or witnessed as minorities. And then the President, on video, lifted his arms and pranced to applause.

    As an American, I immediately became equally appalled at the President, and provide of the players for “not disrespecting” the anthem, but for kneeling in “prayer-like” celebration and hop for what “the meaning of it” STANDS for.

    Mike Florio – I ask that you re-post on your website the video of the President’s hateful rhetoric that week against the NFL safety rules, employment security, and the players civil rights of peaceful protest – so that we all may put into proper perspective why the NFL rallied together on their knees in the first place.

  49. I said it before and I’ll say it again, why don’t they just have the players stay in the lockerroom during the anthem like they did nearly 10 years ago. I know its 2018, an age where both sides throw hissy fits over dumb stuff and that will likely be included but why not just do it again. Don’t remember any uproar when they were just doing that years ago.

  50. bkinacti0n says:
    August 12, 2018 at 12:44 pm

    Cops killing people is a different issue than people killing people. I don’t know why this is so difficult to comprehend for some.
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    What some don’t seam to comprehend is the problem of bad cops shooting unarmed black people is minuscule compared to the slaughter going on in Chicago and other inner cities. Does a black life matter more when shot by a white cop than a kid left on the street where nobody saw what happened? To the leftist media it does because they can make political hay with it. If they covered what’s going on they would have to expose what decades of liberal policies have done to the black family and black communities. That’s nothing they want to touch so they just blame the cops.

  51. In the beginning, only a handful of players knelt for the anthem, and I despised them for mixing protest with patriotism – yet I was biased from my view as a white men who had never faced social injustice. Since then though, those players have only been proven right.

    It is not the players who confuse protest with Patriotism, or who are inappropriatly using the anthem for their own selfish purpose – it is the President who is doing so. A President’s duty is to protect and forward civil rights; not plot against and reduce it with hateful rhetoric of false Patriotism.

    I was at the 2017 Pats-Texans game when the NFL players, as a large group, first took a stand against the President’s hate and ignorance, by taking a knee. Intially, I was mad and disappointed. Then I enjoyed an amazing Brady-Watson dual. On the way home, I expressed further frustration over the anthem; until a friend played a video of the President’s ignorant, hateful rhetoric that week at an NRA rally…calling the NFL sissy’s for worrying about head injuries, while also calling for a visable American employer of a high population minorities, to fire any employee who exercises their civil right to peacefully protest against the social injustice they have personally either experienced or witnessed as minorities. And then the President, on video, lifted his arms and pranced to applause.

    As an American, I immediately became equally appalled at the President, and proud of the players. It became obvious they were “not disrespecting” the anthem, but we’re kneeling in “prayer-like” celebration and hope for what “the meaning of it” STANDS for.

    Mike Florio – I ask that you re-post on your website the video of the President’s hateful rhetoric that week against the NFL safety rules, employment security, and the players civil rights of peaceful protest – so that we all may put into proper perspective why the NFL rallied together on their knees in the first place.

  52. tb12kingofthe7kingdoms says:
    August 12, 2018 at 12:10 pm
    17 years of Sunday Ticket, cancelled. I would buy 3-4 game and Authentic Jerseys per year, have not bought one in 2 years. I would buy NFL merch every bday, Christmas, for family and friends, have not bought NFL merch in 2 years. I would attend 1-2 NFL games per year, have not been to a game in 2 years.Have not watched a full NFL game in over a year. Our lives have never been better! Lots more time and money for College football

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    No you wouldn’t buy 3-4 jerseys a year. You probably wouldn’t buy most of the other stuff you’re talking about either. On the bright side I can assure you that the NFL will be just fine without you buying any of the things you listed. Just to be sure though I’ll pick up the slack for you and go to a bunch of Lions games this year and spend a lot of money at the stadium each time

  53. When Trump said that John McCain was not a hero, he dissed every POW/MIA of our military. I just do not get you folks who criticize the protesting NFL players and not the president.

  54. weatherdavec says:
    August 12, 2018 at 1:35 pm
    When Trump said that John McCain was not a hero, he dissed every POW/MIA of our military. I just do not get you folks who criticize the protesting NFL players and not the president.
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    The men McCain was in captivity with think he’s a coward and a traitor. I’ll take their word for it, not yours.

  55. Deric Gregory says:
    August 12, 2018 at 9:09 am

    2016: Stopped watching all non-Bengals (my team) games.
    2017: Only watched 9 NFL games all year (all Bengals).
    2018: ?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$
    I don’t blame you. Since Dalton came in there’s nothing to look forward to. Such a talented team, yet never seeing success because of a below average QB. McCarron would’ve been better.

  56. weatherdavec says:
    August 12, 2018 at 1:35 pm

    When Trump said that John McCain was not a hero, he dissed every POW/MIA of our military. I just do not get you folks who criticize the protesting NFL players and not the president.
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    Keep drinking that far left koolaid. I bet you think Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez are the smartest people in the room too.

  57. “[McCain was shot down because he disobeyed orders and flew below a set combat altitude above Hanoi. Once captured the NVA called him Songbird because he told them anything they wanted to know…He should have been tried for treason but was the son and grandson of famous admirals so it was buried”.

    Every bit of that is a total lie. If it was buried how do you know about it? McCain has run multiple campaigns. But, somehow, this fake news you’re spewing never came out?

    Can’t you be satisfied with just consuming Hannity’s fake news, or Alex Jones’s disgusting attacks on the parents of school shooting victims, without repeating that garbage here?

  58. 1) I have a hard time believing the people who stopped watching the NFL but still visit, what is mostly, a NFL news and rumor site.

    2) I’m glad to see more people mention that if the “news” stops bending to push this alternative view of a minute minority it will go away.

    3) As people claim that the protest aren’t about the anthem or the military and its been explained many times, others clearly have said they know what the protest is about and during the anthem is the wrong time and before a game is the wrong place. (but I would question how clear the purpose of the protests has been explained)

    4) No one says the players don’t have the right to speak about the issue. They do say the players are not speaking, they are silently protesting. I have still not seen an interview where in depth questions and in depth answers. Has PFT tried to get an interview?

    5) The protestors, if combined to one team, couldn’t make up a full roster. Heck, are there enough to form a starting line-up? So, when you’ve had enough with the NFL players, you are focusing your disgust on a super majority of players who have never and would never kneel during the anthem. I don’t let the jerks ruin it for me.

    6) Some blame the president’s hateful rhetoric. Others realize players kneeled well before Trump said a word.

    7) We and the news media should ignore the kneeling players and instead focus on having conversations with people who actually want to make an effort to resolve the problem. The conversation WAS started. Kap and friends hi-jacked it and ceased all progress. Its now about them and a political tool to rally voters.
    That’ unfortunate.

  59. If you like the anthem so much watch documentaries about all day and when your ready watch football

  60. Michael E says – “I am 24 year veteran”.

    You’ve also claimed to be the commander of the Princeton ROTC. And last week you were supporting men who hit women. I wonder what your female cadets think about your support for domestic violence?

  61. every time i come to PFT theres another article about the stupid anthem protest. Usually I click out of the site as soon as I see the headline. this time decided to comment and let you know. Fans dont care or want to read about this crap

  62. fearsome4 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 11:46 am
    All you folks that are upset with the player protests during the national anthem: How are YOU protesting institutionalized bias against young black males by law enforcement and our court system?
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    What exactly is institutionalized bias against young black males? Do you seriously believe they are being framed or do you believe the cops should say “Oh, a young black male, my mistake. I shouldn’t make an arrest for that crime/infraction I witnessed. Carry on, sir, and don’t forget to praise the department on social media”? I have no doubt a case can be made concerning disparate court sentences in many cases but the attacks against police in general are just absurd. What is more likely here, a gigantic percentage of police actively looking to arrest or hassle people solely because they are black, or a gigantic portion of young black males caught doing something claim racism in order to gain sympathy and/or avoid blame for their own actions?

  63. tb12kingofthe7kingdoms says:
    August 12, 2018 at 12:10 pm
    17 years of Sunday Ticket, cancelled. I would buy 3-4 game and Authentic Jerseys per year, have not bought one in 2 years. I would buy NFL merch every bday, Christmas, for family and friends, have not bought NFL merch in 2 years. I would attend 1-2 NFL games per year, have not been to a game in 2 years.Have not watched a full NFL game in over a year. Our lives have never been better! Lots more time and money for College football

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    Yet you still take time to post on a PRO FOOTBALL blog.You’re either lying, or lead a very pathetic life.

  64. cardinealsfan20 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 2:23 pm
    “[McCain was shot down because he disobeyed orders and flew below a set combat altitude above Hanoi. Once captured the NVA called him Songbird because he told them anything they wanted to know…He should have been tried for treason but was the son and grandson of famous admirals so it was buried”.

    Every bit of that is a total lie. If it was buried how do you know about it? McCain has run multiple campaigns. But, somehow, this fake news you’re spewing never came out?

    Can’t you be satisfied with just consuming Hannity’s fake news, or Alex Jones’s disgusting attacks on the parents of school shooting victims, without repeating that garbage

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    I’m willing to bet John McCain knows how to spell “Cardinal”

  65. Some of you people just don’t get it. Whether they stand or sit or moon the damn tv, who cares. We are still, even though we lose more and more every day, a free country. Everyone has the right to protest. Anyone in the military should understand that, that’s what you go fight for. I respect everyone who fought for this country, but I also respect our freedoms. If they believe in what they are protesting, more power to them. I really don’t care what they do.

  66. “I’m willing to bet that McCain knows how to spell Cardinal?”

    Coming from a guy who’s screen name isn’t a word, it is not surprising that this is the best response that you have.

    How about denouncing the fake news criticism of a war hero? Or denouncing your boy Alex Jones’s goofy conspiracy theories about school shootings or fluoride in water? Apparently you support slandering POWs and parents who have endured unimaginable tragedy.

  67. Stand, sit, kneel, lay down, whatever. You want to take a stand? Refuse to play, also refusing to accept your pay for that week, until your specific grievance is addressed in some way. You willing to actually make a sacrifice? Give up more money than most people make in a decade? See how much your bro’s are willing to support your cause? Clearly express your grievance and stay home until it is fixed.

    Otherwise, just play ball.

  68. unkleruckus says:
    August 12, 2018 at 3:12 pm
    No you wouldn’t buy 3-4 jerseys a year. You probably wouldn’t buy most of the other stuff you’re talking about either. On the bright side I can assure you that the NFL will be just fine without you buying any of the things you listed.

    3-4 jerseys a year is simple. Parents, Brother, I had over 15 Patriots Jerseys. When someone gets traded or retires and you dont wear anymore, you sell it and buy another of a favorite Rookie or FA signing. See, simple. Its also called having a career that pays well. And your other point, Im 100% sure the NFL cares about my spending habits as there are MILLIONS of people just like me. That is why there revenue is down 21% and counting. They may hit 30% by seasons end. Im sure you could do the math of what 30% of 8 billion is.That is a ton of money and with any business, when that much money is being lost, heads start to roll

  69. I find the kneeling to be purposely offensive. They are trying to provoke a negative reaction. Staying in the tunnel is a better choice but still does nothing in promoting the cause of incidents of police brutality. They also need to find better examples. Armed felon victims don’t bode well for your case.

  70. TomsulasMustache says:
    August 12, 2018 at 2:53 pm
    every time i come to PFT theres another article about the stupid anthem protest. Usually I click out of the site as soon as I see the headline. this time decided to comment and let you know. Fans dont care or want to read about this crap

    2 0 Rate This

    Why has it not occurred to you that the anthem protest articles are always the most read and always the most commented on. And while you proclaim to hate it, you threw fuel on the fire you despise, by reading and commenting.

  71. unkleruckus says:
    August 12, 2018 at 3:12 pm
    Yet you still take time to post on a PRO FOOTBALL blog.You’re either lying, or lead a very pathetic life.

    And you know what!? I still listen to an NFL type podcast once-in-a-while. Shhhhhh, dont tell! There are these things called mobile phones that let you check on a website one day a week and read or listen to things while at the beach or camping out in the mountains, wherever. It can take 1-2 minutes out of a 24 hour day! Unlike yourself, I can visit PFT for 2 minutes and post on a topic and not actually be here everyday dozens of times a day, wearing out the refresh button

  72. Brandon Marshall – 4 arrests and counting? Quality individual who I’m sure would like all police to go away.

  73. frontrowfordonkeyshow says:
    August 12, 2018 at 3:35 pm
    Some of you people just don’t get it. Whether they stand or sit or moon the damn tv, who cares. We are still, even though we lose more and more every day, a free country. Everyone has the right to protest. Anyone in the military should understand that, that’s what you go fight for. I respect everyone who fought for this country, but I also respect our freedoms. If they believe in what they are protesting, more power to them. I really don’t care what they do.
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    Show up to work in a bath robe and flip flops and tell your boss it is a free country.

  74. @tb12kingofthe7kingdoms says – “Its also called having a career that pays well”.

    I believe that you meant to say: “It is also called collecting taxpayer funded SSI for my fake disability”. Fixed that for you.

  75. cardinealsfan20 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 3:36 pm
    “I’m willing to bet that McCain knows how to spell Cardinal?”

    Coming from a guy who’s screen name isn’t a word, it is not surprising that this is the best response that you have.

    How about denouncing the fake news criticism of a war hero? Or denouncing your boy Alex Jones’s goofy conspiracy theories about school shootings or fluoride in water? Apparently you support slandering POWs and parents who have endured unimaginable tragedy.
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    At least you can spell POW. Good job.

  76. @@tb12kingofthe7kingdoms says – “Unlike yourself, I can visit PFT for two minutes and post on topics and not have to be here everyday dozens of times a day, wearing out the refresh button”.

    Ha! You already have 10 comments posted on this thread alone. It appears that you know all about wearing out the refresh button.

  77. What are these protester’s thoughts about last weekend’s Chicago body count? 66 people shot and 12 killed. And neither any of the perps or their victims resembled the Amish. Go figure.

  78. @Liberalsruineverything says – “At least you can spell POW”.

    Just like your heroes Hannity and Alex Jones, you’re incapable of voicing a coherent response. How does feel to support a disgusting conspiracy theorist who claims that the Sandy Hook parents killed their own children?

  79. cardinealsfan20 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 4:31 pm
    @Liberalsruineverything says – “At least you can spell POW”.

    Just like your heroes Hannity and Alex Jones, you’re incapable of voicing a coherent response. How does feel to support a disgusting conspiracy theorist who claims that the Sandy Hook parents killed their own children?
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    Who are those guys? Never heard of em.

  80. I have a solution. Stopping playing the anthem before games. Do we really need it? Sporting events are the only time I ever hear it. I’m good if we just tee up the football and kickoff at the designated start time.

  81. (cardinealsfan20 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 4:11 pm
    @tb12kingofthe7kingdoms says – “Its also called having a career that pays well”.

    I believe that you meant to say: “It is also called collecting taxpayer funded SSI for my fake disability”. Fixed that for you.)

    He’s a pats fan so the disability is legitimate.

  82. cardinealsfan20 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 3:36 pm
    “I’m willing to bet that McCain knows how to spell Cardinal?”

    Coming from a guy who’s screen name isn’t a word, it is not surprising that this is the best response that you have.

    How about denouncing the fake news criticism of a war hero? Or denouncing your boy Alex Jones’s goofy conspiracy theories about school shootings or fluoride in water? Apparently you support slandering POWs and parents who have endured unimaginable tragedy.

    ———-

    How do I support slandering POWs? Because I didn’t denounce them?

    Well in that case I didn’t see you denounce pedophiles, rapists, murderers and arsons….so you must support them eh?

    Sorry man…..your tortured straw man is burning to the ground for all to see.

    Oh, and you still haven’t figured out how to spell “Cardinal”

  83. @Liberalsruineverything – You keep forgetting to switch your screen name to and from @nhpats. It is pretty pathetic to post the same drivel under multiple screen names.

  84. wawa33 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 9:21 am
    This is so stupid. What owner/GM will be the first to end this stupidity?
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    Jerry Jones! But then people scoff at him for taking a stand.

  85. cardinealsfan20 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 5:10 pm
    @Liberalsruineverything – You keep forgetting to switch your screen name to and from @nhpats. It is pretty pathetic to post the same drivel under multiple screen names.
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    LOL!! Well since I’m a Viking fan and he seams to fit Tom Brady into every debate on every story on this site I don’t know how that would be possible. He also has a weird obsession with Kirk Cousins since the Vikings signed him for some reason. But if you want your conspiracy I’m not going to stop you.

  86. Why is Marshall still on this team? He isn’t very good. The new guy from Iowa is going to have his job very soon because he’s better.

  87. If you do not stand for the national anthem as a player, you are committing an overt racist action. We need to start pinning this racist tag on these fools since there is no other reason for their hijacking the playing of our national anthem while being paid as an employee.

    Time to start firing these fools. Let those walk out who share the same opinion and treat them like the air traffic controllers under Reagan. Permanently unemployed from their “profession”.

  88. cardinealsfan20 says:
    August 12, 2018 at 5:35 pm
    @nhpats/Liberalsruineverything says – “How do I support slandering POWs?”

    By agreeing with the disgusting lies Michael E posted about McCain, that’s how.

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    Where did I agree with him?

    And why can’t you spell “Cardinal “?

  89. stuartscottslefteye says:
    August 12, 2018 at 11:44 am

    Since when is it wrong to shoot an unarmed person? Comply or possibly die. It really is that simple.
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    Uhh- always. It’s wrong to shoot an ARMED man too. What America do you live in? It is PERFECTLY LEGAL to own a gun in this country- the “I thought he had a gun” is not a good enough reason to shoot somebody.

    “Comply or possibly die”- that’s the sort of country you want to live in?

    Go look up the Mesa Arizona police shooting of an exterminator in a hotel- he did NOTHING wrong, had no record, complied fully in every way and was shot anyway. Insane.

    Look at that kid that got shot in the back in utah for “not complying/thought he had a gun/I was in danger” crap- he had no idea police were anywhere near him, commited no crime nor had record- he just had earbuds in his ears and never heard the police walking up behind him when they shot him in the back killing him. He was just a kid.

    Both of the examples above were police executions. They happened to be white- there has been an unwarranted militarization of policing in the last 20 years- never thought I’d see that in my lifetime.

  90. I’m getting tired of all the Russian Bots saying they aren’t going to watch NFL games anymore. How do you stop watching NFL games when you never watched them before? Everyone should know by now that Russian trolls jump any and all social media venues with divisive topics like this one. As many as half the comments on this thread could be posted by Russian trolls, and the phony patriots eat it up, hook, line and sinker. Wake up, America!

  91. NFL players are not allowed to protest racial injustice, but Nazis and white supremacists can march down the street in Washington, DC on Sunday.
    Welcome to Trump’s vision for America.

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