Mike Pereira, Dean Blandino disagree with NFL on what roughing is

AP

The NFL’s former officiating chiefs don’t agree with the direction the league is headed with its new definition of roughing the passer. A league source confirmed that Clay Matthews hit on Kirk Cousins late in Sunday’s Green Bay-Minnesota game was correctly called.

In fact, the league’s current head of officiating, Al Riveron, will share that hit and one by Eric Kendricks on Aaron Rodgers to reiterate that the tactic is a foul.

Dean Blandino and Mike Pereira, both of whom have walked in Riveron’s shoes and now work as FOX rules analysts, strongly disagree.

Those are not fouls. We don’t like those as fouls,” Blandino said on their weekly show, Last Call, via Kevin Seifert of ESPN.

Pereira said he is troubled that the league is “creating penalties for contact and tackles . . . that don’t put the quarterback at risk of injury.”

“I think we’re setting a dangerous precedent,” Pereira continued. “You can’t have [Matthews’ hit] as a foul. There’s got to be a line drawn closer to a more violent hit.”

The league believes Matthews used the technique of grabbing the passer from behind the leg or legs, scooping and pulling in an upward motion, which it deems a foul. Matthews strongly disagreed with the call in postgame interviews, wondering how he was supposed to hit the quarterback.

Packers coach Mike McCarthy defended Matthews on Monday, saying the linebacker was doing what “he was coached to do.”

Blandino and Pereira made it clear they agree and wonder what is expected from pass rushers.

“You look at the rule, and it says you can’t commit intimidating or punishing acts. You can’t violently or unnecessarily drive him to the ground or land on him with all or most of your body weight,” Blandino said. “That’s not what you’re seeing in at least two calls in that game. What do you want the defender to do? To me, it looks like he’s wrapping, and he’s trying to bring the quarterback to the ground. There is going to be some force. There is going to be some impetus that takes both players to the ground. Again, what do you want the defender to do in that situation?”

120 responses to “Mike Pereira, Dean Blandino disagree with NFL on what roughing is

  1. The NFL — via its own incompetence — is legislating itself into irrelevance. They are ruining their own product.

  2. Bumdino and Pereira are absolutely correct. Clay did NOT drive Kirk into the ground as Clay did NOT push his bodyweight into Kirk.

    And though Kirk agrees, there are still some knuckleheads who still try to argue otherwise…. can’t fix everything.

  3. Packers coach Mike McCarthy defended Matthews on Monday, saying the linebacker was doing what “he was coached to do.”
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    Might be time the Packers got a new coach if he’s coaching them to try and injure QB’s. He always does look lost on the sideline.

  4. Matthews tackle was not a foul. He even tried to brace the landing with hand out. I also didn’t think Kendrick’s tackle was a foul either. It used to be everytime a corner makes a stop I wait for the pass interference call now I also wait for the roughing the passer on every sack. Last year it was the anthem. This year it’s all the flags. Wouldn’t it be awesome if we could all just talk about the actual football on the field?

  5. cobrala2 says:
    September 17, 2018 at 7:15 pm
    Bumdino and Pereira are absolutely correct. Clay did NOT drive Kirk into the ground as Clay did NOT push his bodyweight into Kirk.

    And though Kirk agrees, there are still some knuckleheads who still try to argue otherwise…. can’t fix everything

    ////////////////

    And they both agreed that Kendrick’s hit on Rodgers was NOT a penalty. Packer fans think the Matthews call cost them a tie when in reality the packers scored on the Kendricks penalty. I don’t think anyone is arguing that the Matthews hit was a penalty.

  6. They (the officials) are taking over the game.

    Not sure why, but they are.

    Why cant they review the call?

    Football games, in the hands a schlupps, instead of the players!

  7. It’s like watching a gambling addict put his last $20 in the machine. He and you both know he wants to stop but he can’t. The NFL wants to shore up their rules ( I think ) but they just can’t.

  8. I wonder how many Viking and Packer fans traveled to Green Bay and spent thousands, to watch the referees control that game. Then to end in a tie!?!?
    Those 2 ruffing the passer penalties are not the only bad or no calls in that game. 2 holding calls on each teams offensive line that weren’t there, and they where right after big plays. An obvious pass interference not called.
    Both of these fan bases deserve a winner in this game. Not a tie.
    I’m sure this will not be the only game decided by the referees this year.
    Very sad day for the NFL.

  9. It’s obvious the league is moving towards a non contact game, at least in regards to QB’s and it’s a shame because they are ruining the game and what made it the most popular sport in America to begin with. I get the concern over lawsuits from players with long term health issues, but they’ve handled it completely wrong. Instead of changing the game, be honest with what it is and the fact it’s a dangerous high risk profession that you can make a lot of money in. Most of the players don’t like the changes the league has made either so this is about nothing more than litigation. Make players sign a waiver before being able to play in the NFL and increase the percentage of the overall profits so the players get more of the pie. Otherwise the league is just going to continue it’s decline in popularity and create more headlines about what is wrong with it than the games themselves.

  10. Everyone keeps talking about the Clay Matthews and how it cost the Packers the game ~

    Well, Eric Kendricks got flagged for a lesser hit and it help to keep the Packer only scoring drive alive ~

    This isn’t the Packers NFL ~ It’s the NFL of all 32 teams ~ The Packers need to stop b!tching ~ Their guys have been getting away with this and worse for years with Clay Matthews being the ringleader ~ The rule change wasn’t just because of the Barr hit ~ It was because of many boneheads hits on QB’s ~ Just happens the Barr hit was the tipping point and nothing more ~

  11. The NFL has steadily been declaring itself too dangerous to play. The long-term consequences are so obvious but they’re blind to it all because they never look more than 30 seconds ahead.

  12. These new roughing the passer rules are crap and we are only seeing the beginning of the negative effects they will have on games. I’m a Vikings fan, but that last call on Clay was a bad call at a terrible time. We were lucky to have a chance to play for a tie..

  13. No surprise there. One retired from the company and says what he feels like and the other is still a company man and wants to “Protect The Shield”.

  14. whatever the league can do to see that rodgers and the packers prevail. last year it was create rule to prevent his injury, now its to erase said rule after it prevented a GB win. It’s rigged

  15. It’s time for these roughing calls to go to the booth. It is clear the refs on the field do not even know what they are looking at. How could Matthews be driving the guy into the ground when he had his had braced against the ground to try to take some of the impact away. Last week, when Matthews hit the QB late, that was a foul, a stupid one on his part. This week, that call and the Kendricks call, ridiculous. Even during the game one of the Packers lineman had Cousins in the grasp and let him go because he did not want to get a penalty. Is this what the game is becoming? Send these calls to the booth or have the refs review every angle. Not that it will do any good since they don’t know what they are doing but it will give it a better chance of being called fairly.

    That’s two games in two weeks (Browns + Packers) that were decided by the refs. Not the kind of football I want to watch.

  16. KARMA

    I think its great that the packers didnt get a win because of a rule to protect Erin “made of glass” rodgers.

    If roid mathews has problem with the penalty he should be talking to his whinny QB about it.

  17. Google Colin Cowherd. He calls out Packer fans like it should be. Everybody here knows you guys are not quitting the nfl. You’re just whining all week. What else you gonna do in the winter, spend time with your family?!

  18. Sorry I missed it. Two weeks in and I haven’t missed my cancelled NFL Ticket one bit. I thought it would just about kill me. Nope.

  19. Statements like this would carry some weight if Blandino and Pereira didn’t tell us that every call by the officials was correct when they were working for the league.

  20. If the Clay Matthews hit on Cousins was a foul, then the identical hot on Brady in Jax was a foul. But the Brady play wasn’t called.

  21. Neither one should be penalties. The NFL is too reactive. The Packers & their fans are too blame for this rule. They made rules because of Tom Brady so the NFL is to blame trying to over legislate a violent game. I agree with the ou the other poster, put red jerseys on them and play flag.

  22. I’ve seen positives and negatives to this strange situation. It’s strange because this sport has always been sort of violent, so how are you supposed to fix it?

    Positives: defensive players have stopped trying to intentionally injure opposing players. Yeah it used to be fun to watch these gladiators go to battle but the consequences for those hurt were not fun to watch.

    Negatives: an NFL referee has a tough job, they are caught up in a fast-paced situation and it’s hard to keep up om the action. This results in inconsistent penalties. There is a huge disparity between fair, correct penalties being called and other that are not called or are improperly called. There are violent tackles being made in every game.

    Overall I see that the NFL has been successful in curbing unnecessary roughness this year, at a price of diluting the quality of fair sportsmanship.

  23. There actually was another play where Cousins released the ball and Kenny Clark hit him low below the waist . I’m a Packers fan and I think that was the only true roughing play and there was no flag . Go figure.

  24. I’m wondering how and where they should affix the flags on the QB? Better yet, they should play each other video game style; that way no one gets hurt except for possible carpel tunnel cases that may lead some into early retirement.

  25. Wow, someone other than Vikings fans actually noticed the Kendrick hit on Rodgers. Which, if not called, would take points off the board for the Packers.

  26. Tick tock! I believe that’s 6 for just today. Just drop it. There’s another game next weekend. Get a life. The game ended in a tie.accept it and shut up. Viking and Packer fanboys are eat up with each other.

  27. The Packers complaining about Barr’s hit on Rodgers caused all of this. That was a legal hit. So were both of the hits in the game yesterday. People are going to get hurt in this game. It does suck when great players like Rodgers get hurt, but it’s going to happen every year. Let them play.

  28. flviking says:
    September 17, 2018 at 7:33 pm
    cobrala2 says:
    September 17, 2018 at 7:15 pm
    Bumdino and Pereira are absolutely correct. Clay did NOT drive Kirk into the ground as Clay did NOT push his bodyweight into Kirk.

    And though Kirk agrees, there are still some knuckleheads who still try to argue otherwise…. can’t fix everything

    ////////////////

    And they both agreed that Kendrick’s hit on Rodgers was NOT a penalty. Packer fans think the Matthews call cost them a tie when in reality the packers scored on the Kendricks penalty. I don’t think anyone is arguing that the Matthews hit was a penalty.
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    Give it a rest, both fouls simply don’t cancel each other out that neatly.
    The Kendricks Roughing call led to an automatic first down, which the Packers would have gotten anyway since there were two Viking penalties on the play.
    Barney fans conveniently continue to leave that out.
    It was just a matter of 10 yards tacked on to what was a chip shot field goal anyway.

    The Matthews penalty kept the game from reaching its rightful conclusion.
    You can argue this all you want, but the fact remains, the Vikings should consider themselves lucky to have achieved a tie in yesterday’s game.

    As I’ve stated several times in more than one thread, Green Bay had several opportunities to still close this game out.
    And though I’m very disappointed in the way the game concluded in regulation, I refuse to use an official’s call as the sole reason for the outcome of the game.

    But, to continue to try a justify the Matthews’ call by invoking the Kendricks’ call as if they’re one and the same is simpleminded and silly.
    But, that’s the Barney way, I guess.

  29. The officials should be told to not call roughing if there is no obvious intent to injure. That said, there was a time in the NFL when officials tried to stay out of the way when it came to play at the ends of close games. The officials in the GB/Minnesota game let their calls decide the game instead of letting the players play and decide the game.

  30. See what you’re done Aaron Rodgers! I hope you’re happy!
    —–
    Yeah, Barr had nothing to do with it. What was Rodgers thinking letting him spear him 3 steps after the ball was out? Such a diva.

    Seriously, the more some of you talk, the more I fear for our future as a species.

  31. lp5710 says:
    September 17, 2018 at 8:23 pm
    There actually was another play where Cousins released the ball and Kenny Clark hit him low below the waist . I’m a Packers fan and I think that was the only true roughing play and there was no flag . Go figure.
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    What are you saying? You can hit a QB below the waist as long as it is above the knee.

  32. All sports have become entertainment due to TV money. Creating stars to draw viewers and sell products is the Most important thing. Cousins signed a big contract. He will get flags in his and the Vikings favor. No question about it. Just like LeBron constantly traveling.
    Rodgers on the other hand has the ill fortune of playing for the leagues only publicly owned team. TV decides when it needs the Packers to boost ratings. It isn’t about tackling and blocking anymore as it was in the days of Vince. That’s obvious by just watching. Might as well make it flag football.

  33. What’s gotten lost in all this is that for weeks all we heard from the purples was how Rodgers wouldn’t finish the game, the pack would get destroyed, etc etc. In reality the Vikings needed a lot of help from the refs and a missed field goal from Crosby just to TIE. But yet they’re back here yacking the next day like their predictions came true. Funny.

  34. The NFL is really starting to feel like the NBA to me. I haven’t watched an entire NBA game start to finish in more than a decade. I quit watching because of the Superstar calls, and just the general feeling that the game was scripted and not contested on too many nights. I’m starting to feel that the honesty is being taken out of the NFL in the same way. No more big hits, no more intimidation, penalty rules that allow an official to call something on every play if they want to. There is nothing spectacular about it.

  35. There is no place for two calls in the game:

    1. the hit to the helmet of Adams with the crown of the helmet by Sendejo – he should have been ejected,
    2. the first sack on Rodgers when the hit included a fist to the helmet / facemark. It ripped the strap off, but had the helmet gone flying it would have garnered more attention. It appeared to be strong direct impact to the helmet which is supposed to be against the rules.

    But then again these days, the officials have NO CLUE what to call.

  36. Liberalsruineverything says:
    September 17, 2018 at 8:14 pm
    The Packers fans lamenting about the Rodgers Rule and ignoring the fact they gave up 22 points in the fourth quarter to the Vikings shiny new quarterback. Good times….
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    I want to say this first. I’ve spent way more time than I should watching these two plays. I have to admit, Clay did have a little “scoop” with his left hand before he reached out to brace his fall with it. No where near as blatant as Kendrick’s, but there none-the-less. I’ve been consistent with my opinion of neither penalties should have been called, but now I must admit that there are more similarities between the two than I first thought.

    As for the play costing the Packers the game? No, it didn’t. However, we can all agree that momentum is a real thing in NFL games. The Packers had it most of the first three quarters. The Vikings were beginning to swing it to their side before that play. Had the INT stood, that would have been the end of your momentum and put it directly back on the Packers side. That play, as it stood, swung the momentum needle all the way to the Vikings favor. Did the Packers still have chances to score and bring the momentum back? Absolutely. But the Vikings took three quarters of the game to get it. They weren’t going to give it up that easy either. So, in summary, it wasn’t the reason the Packers lost, but it played a pretty big role.

  37. “The more important question is why are the BEARS always on my TV at prime time ?”

    The NFL is hoping that the Bears will be good again someday, so they can have some old time NFC North slugfests. When is the last time you saw a Bears/Vikings or Bears/Packers game that meant anything?

  38. Can’t stand Mathews, he’s a cheap player who is known for garbage play. But in this case, neither his nor Kendricks sacks should have been penalized. Both were clean tackles.

  39. Why are these guys on anyway ? What purpose do they serve other than to self promote. They have no weight and talk about armchair officiating. I’m an official and the less the officials are seen and heard the better the game

  40. The point about the Kendricks penalty is that he was flagged for the same thing that Matthews was flagged for, if not less. Just because it came at a crucial time should not take the flag away. Or are some of you ok with a pass interference being called in the first half but the same pass interference should not be called in the final minute?
    If you call ruffling on one team then the same ruffling should be called on the other team no-matter when it occurs.

  41. pkrlvr
    Sep 17, 2018, 7:52 PM CDT
    What’s gotten lost in all this is that for weeks all we heard from the purples was how Rodgers wouldn’t finish the game
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    What’s gotten lost in all this is that for weeks all we heard from the greenies was how Vikings fans would complain about the officials…

  42. steves11 says:
    September 17, 2018 at 9:10 pm
    “The more important question is why are the BEARS always on my TV at prime time ?”

    The NFL is hoping that the Bears will be good again someday, so they can have some old time NFC North slugfests. When is the last time you saw a Bears/Vikings or Bears/Packers game that meant anything?
    ___________________

    2010 NFC Championship Game.

  43. pkrlvr says:
    September 17, 2018 at 8:43 pm
    See what you’re done Aaron Rodgers! I hope you’re happy!
    —–
    Yeah, Barr had nothing to do with it. What was Rodgers thinking letting him spear him 3 steps after the ball was out? Such a diva.

    Seriously, the more some of you talk, the more I fear for our future as a species.
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    After another 5 years you’ll tell the story about how Barr walked up behind Erin after the play was over then picked him up and planted him like a lawn dart……Oh wait….that’s what Charles Martin did to Jim McMahon…..

  44. Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9 of the NFL rule book states that the “technique of grabbing the passer from behind the leg(s), scooping and pulling in an upward motion is considered a foul.”

    I’m a big Packer fan.

    Matthews did this. After making contact he lifted one of the QB’s legs and slightly projected himself and the QB upwards, denying the QB a chance to get his legs under himself. It was higher than necessary and he allowed his body to tandem Cousins and stayed atop him to the ground. Not as egregious as Barr last year, which is now a penalty, but it’s the same call……as the rules are written. And that’s what he did. I’ve watched it several times. It wasn’t performed with an intent to injure, like Barr last year, but I recognized it as a penalty as it happened, as I understand it written, and that’s what he did …..in my opinion.

    Another opinion of mine: Matthews is an overrated poser and I’m tired of him not earning his pay. He costs this team in more ways than one.

  45. qckappa
    Sep 17, 2018, 8:20 PM EDT

    Neither one should be penalties. The NFL is too reactive. The Packers & their fans are too blame for this rule. They made rules because of Tom Brady so the NFL is to blame trying to over legislate a violent game. I agree with the ou the other poster, put red jerseys on them and play flag.

    What does Tom Brady have to do with a rule that was create after a Packers quarterback was injured? The rule I think you are talking about is the rule about hitting a quarterback low around his knees. The funny part is that that rule was put in place after Carson Palmer had his knee taken out in a playoff game against the Steelers. So Carson Palmer gets hurt, the NFL creates a new rule, Aaron Rodgers gets hurt and the NFL makes a new rule and you came here to blame Tom Brady?! Ya that sounds totally logic

  46. Bottom line both calls were BS.The Matthews call did lose the game for the Packers. If the Packers offense would have scored more than one TD and the D not given up 22 points in the 4th quarter, the Matthews call wouldn’t of mattered.

  47. stellarperformance says:
    September 17, 2018 at 10:25 pm
    Oh, I forgot to add: The ball was long-gone.
    —————————————

    I forget, was it 3,4,5 or 6 steps Barr took to not get a flag or a fine?

  48. The complete amount of total ignorance the Viking fans have shown over the last 2 days is astounding.
    I frequently pick on this fan base because they’re an obnoxious bunch with razor thin skins.
    Also because of their seriously diminished capacity for critical thinking when it comes to the great sport of football.
    But you guys have really outdone yourselves lately.
    It’s sad that you idiots can’t just own what your own team sowed yesterday.
    Instead of yammering on about plays from last year that have no bearing on the game we’re talking about today.
    You guys are a joke.

  49. Bad call I agree. But how many times have we see Rogers get an extra set of downs from getting a really phantom face-mask call or other call. Too many to count. Good to see it bounce the other way for once. All the non calls for holding/tackling the the Packers OL more than outweight this one call. Zimmer who rarely complains about the refs has tried repeatedly to get this addressed.

  50. This is why the NFL is diminishing……first they take years to decide what a catch is and now they cannot decide what a tackle is……

  51. “Sweatpants World says:

    September 17, 2018 at 9:43 pm

    What’s going to happen when the Quarterbacks start faking the extint of the hits to draw 15 yard penalties like Neymar? Hopefully the league is discussing this”

    You act like Tom Brady isnt already doing this. Everytime hes hit hes throwing his arms up, staring down refs. It’s like he forgets its s contact sport.

  52. Put the QB in red jersey with flags at his waist. No tackling the QB aloud. Good enough?

    I don’t care how much the NFL’s Head of Officiating says it IS a foul—It CLEARLY ISN’T. No body weight…no lift and drive into the ground…no leading with the crown….no contact with QB’s head….no contact with the QB’s knees….If the official on the field can’t dicern all of that in real time (easier said than done; I’m SURE, but guess what: he must be able to because he’s out there!), then they need to pull his number and send him back to college for more experience. And the Head of Officiating needs to quit saying it was correct because just saying doesn’t make it so.

  53. As long as we’re commenting on the NFL and how they are ruining the game, I’d like to say that I am no longer willing to try to watch any video highlights on their NFL.com site. It’s a commercial before, during and after. They have sold out to the maximum degree. I really think they have bean counters who are already planning commercials for the commercials. I am actually starting to hope they go down, based on their never ending greed. Even their Game Pass now carries all the ads and network promos they used to skip with a ‘be right back’ sign when watching. They are pathetic, money grubbing greed monsters.

  54. stellarperformance says:
    September 17, 2018 at 10:25 pm
    Oh, I forgot to add: The ball was long-gone.
    —————————————

    I forget, was it 3,4,5 or 6 steps Barr took to not get a flag or a fine?
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    .003 seconds

  55. If the NFL truly uses the Matthews tackle to show NFL players what they can’t do, they’re going to regret it. They’re better off admitting they got the call wrong because if hits like that are now roughing the passer, the game is dead.

  56. I saw a lot of replays of both the Kendricks and Matthews hits tonight viewed without prejudice. Equally clean hits. Equally poor calls. The only difference is that that Matthews penalty came at a game crucial time for the Packers. Time to move on.

  57. more hitting in a hockey game than on a NFL game and it only take a couple of hours for the same 60 minute time frame…thank god hockey starts in about three weeks…old time nfl fan who never thought he would utter the above…

  58. Viking/Packers fans who keep calling this the Rodgers/Barr rule do you understand that the Rodgers/Barr play has nothing to do with the rules inside the pocket where the Kendricks and Matthews hits took place? The Rodgers rule was instituted this year to give QB’s protection outside the pocket the same as inside the pocket. So can we put this inane Rodgers/Barr argument to bed please.

  59. Remember — this is the same NFL which backed the scab official who called the interception that the Packers (got on a Hail Mary by Russell Wilson) a TD for Seattle when the Packers DB had both hands around the ball and the Seattle WR was underneath him with one hand around him on the ball!!! That call was so attrocious the NFL immediately settled their labor dispute with the real officials, but still they backed the scab official!!!
    The NFL lost all its credibility when Roger Goodell was appointed Commissioner and they are destroying their own game.
    That call against Clay Matthews was beyond horrible. Every defensive player from every team — including the Vikings — should write a letter to the NFL front office and tell them they are sick of these calls. They go out and play as hard as they can in spite of all the rules being against them, and when they do everything right as Matthews did, the officials still make horrible calls like that one and decide the outcome of the game.
    And to you Vikings fans who are saying the Packers get all the calls, you are just being your usual selves — clueless, and childish.

  60. This will go the way of holding penalties, as in, every play can have a holding penalty be called. Some refs will call them all, others will let most slide. The players will continue to do what they do, and let the refs decide when to throw the flag or not. Until the league comes up with a video of correct hits, of which coaches should put up the ones that were called to compare, and then show the league is taking a dump in their own pants.

  61. Here’s my take: Horribly called game on both sides. Both roughing the passer penalties were a joke. As far as Zimmer whining about holding, I saw multiple plays where Packer’s D-line were being grabbed by the arm or wrapped around the neck trying to get to Cousins. The worst calls (other than the obvious Matthews play) were the offensive pass interference penalty on Devante Adams and the holding call on Lane Taylor on the Graham touchdown. Neither was even close to a penalty. Still you have to score touchdowns not field goals against your division rivalry. And it’s about time to stop this high school tactic of icing a kicker when the ball is already in the air. Call a timeout fine, but if the ball gets snapped even if the whistle was blown, the play should stand.

  62. pkrlvr says:
    September 17, 2018 at 8:43 pm
    See what you’re done Aaron Rodgers! I hope you’re happy!
    —–
    Yeah, Barr had nothing to do with it. What was Rodgers thinking letting him spear him 3 steps after the ball was out? Such a diva.

    Seriously, the more some of you talk, the more I fear for our future as a species.

    ____________

    And this is why Packer fans can’t say a damn thing about the Matthews hit. Stop crying wolf and maybe someone will take this seriously. The Barr hit was clean, and has always been clean until you whiny cheeseheads lost one precious season because your messiah got a boo boo. Get over it, and stop ruining football for the rest of us

  63. stellarperformance says:
    September 17, 2018 at 10:23 pm
    Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9 of the NFL rule book states that the “technique of grabbing the passer from behind the leg(s), scooping and pulling in an upward motion is considered a foul.”

    I’m a big Packer fan.

    Matthews did this. After making contact he lifted one of the QB’s legs and slightly projected himself and the QB upwards, denying the QB a chance to get his legs under himself. It was higher than necessary and he allowed his body to tandem Cousins and stayed atop him to the ground. Not as egregious as Barr last year, which is now a penalty, but it’s the same call……as the rules are written. And that’s what he did. I’ve watched it several times. It wasn’t performed with an intent to injure, like Barr last year, but I recognized it as a penalty as it happened, as I understand it written, and that’s what he did …..in my opinion.

    Another opinion of mine: Matthews is an overrated poser and I’m tired of him not earning his pay. He costs this team in more ways than one.

    _______________

    This on the other hand actually gives me hope that not all Packer fans can only see the world through their puke green tinted glasses. Minus the ability to determine a human being’s intent from a split second decision, but hey, baby steps. At least stellar is staying consistent… I may greatly disagree with his point, I do not want this sport to over protect his precious messiah along with any other QB. Making it impossible for defenders to cleanly hit a QB makes the sport LESS watchable, but hey that’s my opinion. If fans in Green Bay want the league to be touch football to protect their pretty boy Rodgers from boo boos, then at least live with the consequences when the shoe is on the other foot.

  64. cdk4205 says:
    September 17, 2018 at 9:03 pm
    There is no place for two calls in the game:

    1. the hit to the helmet of Adams with the crown of the helmet by Sendejo – he should have been ejected,
    2. the first sack on Rodgers when the hit included a fist to the helmet / facemark. It ripped the strap off, but had the helmet gone flying it would have garnered more attention. It appeared to be strong direct impact to the helmet which is supposed to be against the rules.

    But then again these days, the officials have NO CLUE what to call.

    ______________

    1. You need to have TWO of these penalties to be ejected. Shawn Williams and the Falcons DB got ejected for helmet to helmet hits on SLIDING QBs. Defensless recievers are a different story

    2. You Packer fans have quite the imagination. Just watched this play 4 times and saw nothing remotely close to Rodgers head, and btw, it’s not a hit to the head when the QB ducks into the defenders hand. But even that didn’t happen, Rodgers ducked but no fist came anywhere near his helmet.

    3. The refs were horrible for both teams so please stop whining. If you want to make the argument that the Matthews penalty was more costly, fine, that’s at least somewhat fair considering the timing. Although id argue the consistent offensive holding that the Packers get away with every game was more timely considering it happened all game long. And don’t tell me I’m imagining it, I’ve seen every fan base that plays the packers make this complaint, I’ve seen the breakdown of their “hug technique” fully explained and Zimmer himself pointed it out in his post game press conference. The Packers olinemen are taught to grab opponents by the shoulder pads and not let go, this allows them to avoid any hand fighting or swim/spin moves, and only leaves them vulnerable to pure power rushers. Too bad the technique is literally by definition offensive holding but the refs never call it because the refs in the NFL have no clue what they’re doing

  65. In real time hits are hard to judge. This should be subject to booth review, with a limit on how much time spent reviewing. As should hits on receivers, many time it looks like a illegal hit and review shows it is not. They do it in college and the game does not extend.

  66. Liberalsruineverything says:
    September 17, 2018 at 9:59 pm
    pkrlvr says:
    September 17, 2018 at 8:43 pm
    See what you’re done Aaron Rodgers! I hope you’re happy!
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    Yeah, Barr had nothing to do with it. What was Rodgers thinking letting him spear him 3 steps after the ball was out? Such a diva.

    Seriously, the more some of you talk, the more I fear for our future as a species.
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    After another 5 years you’ll tell the story about how Barr walked up behind Erin after the play was over then picked him up and planted him like a lawn dart……Oh wait….that’s what Charles Martin did to Jim McMahon…..

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    The difference here is no packer fan is justifying that.

    The hit Barr laid on Rodgers just ushered in a whole new era of bad rulings, all because the guy was taught to hit with intent to hurt. The lift and drive, while putting all body weight on the player is not how kids are taught, nor was it taught that way 20 years ago.

    No one in the NFL form tackles without launching or spearing.

  67. Karras71 says:
    September 17, 2018 at 10:58 pm

    You guys are a joke.

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    The lions are on their way to another 0-16 season. The lions are a joke.

  68. Just get it over with. You get two hands on a QB and he is considered sacked. Just take a bullet to the head instead of 35 to the chest.

  69. It’s pretty clear you purples have finally gone over the edge. At least some of you used to be smart enough to know this is bogus as well as man (or woman) enough to call it. I’m looking right at you, Teddy.

    This is why you’ve become the least respected fan base in the entire NFL. This is why the sane Viking fans left here in droves and rarely make an appearance at all anymore. Unfortunately, they get abused for your shenanigans. But yeah, sure, you’re comments make you the coolest kids in the whole 7th grade. That’s really something.

  70. Pereira and Blandino are just being smart and trying to solidify their TV positions by stirring it up a little, and bringing attention to themselves. It’s great promotional work they’re doing. Their bosses should be happy. I don’t really pay attention to these guys. I have my own TV. I can see perfectly clear for myself. When one of these guys comes on, that’s usually my cue to go get a drink or something.

  71. zygizag says:
    September 17, 2018 at 11:10 pm
    Bad call I agree. But how many times have we see Rogers get an extra set of downs from getting a really phantom face-mask call or other call. Too many to count. Good to see it bounce the other way for once. All the non calls for holding/tackling the the Packers OL more than outweight this one call. Zimmer who rarely complains about the refs has tried repeatedly to get this addressed.

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    In typical Barney fashion, its ok if its a bad call as long as it went against the Packers????

    Every team in the league gets jobbed on bad calls. EVERY TEAM!!

    Do you really think your team somehow is getting the worst share of them?

    I could sit here and whine about how mch minnesotas secondary holds as well, but I would rather keep the refs out of it and let them play.

    Dear God, you guys are worse now after the tie. Only happy when the packers lose. Dont care if the Vikings win…

  72. Same hit on Brady in the Jags game, no foul. The NFL can’t decide what is legal and what isn’t.
    Hope they get it fixed. And while they are at it, please bring back the old grounding rules. Grounding is grounding. We all see it, we all know what it is…except the NFL.

  73. Liberalsruineverything says:
    September 17, 2018 at 10:49 pm
    stellarperformance says:
    September 17, 2018 at 10:25 pm
    Oh, I forgot to add: The ball was long-gone.
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    I forget, was it 3,4,5 or 6 steps Barr took to not get a flag or a fine?
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    I was talking about the throw Cousins made. Maroon.

  74. Any reasonable human being can see that’s not roughing the passer. But there’s nothing reasonable about Goodell’s NFL. It’s in shambles

  75. 3 says later. Packer fans still filling up an nfl website telling us how much the nfl is going downhill and how nobody will be watching anymore. Except, you guys couldn’t quit even if you really wanted to. Bunch of cry babies. Think about this. If your coach had run the ball just once within 2 minutes, the Vikings would not have had a timeout and been able to ice your kicker and you would have won.

  76. Liberalsruineverything says:
    September 17, 2018 at 10:49 pm
    I forget, was it 3,4,5 or 6 steps Barr took to not get a flag or a fine?
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    On that particular missed-call play, it was three steps. But that’s water under the bridge. They certainly wouldn’t have changed the rules because of that specific play if he was a choirboy, would they?

  77. I didn’t think Fabio’s hit was a penalty but I have to say it is nice to see packer fans finally see Fabio for what he is. He is a selfish, stupid player. He has never been good at all with his gap responsibility. He is a meathead that costs his team more than he helps it. All for $13 million a season. Ted Thompson should have gotten rid of him long ago. Gutey won’t either.

  78. In typical Barney fashion, its ok if its a bad call as long as it went against the Packers????
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    I have solace the bad call went against the Packers because they/Rodgers instigated the awful rule change and their fans cheered the awful new rule when their myopic view thought it was just going to protect Rodgers.

  79. Viking fans are incorrectly relating the hits by Matthews and Kendricks to the so called Rodgers rule. Had nothing to do with that rule. However, lack of football knowledge is what we have come to expect from them.

  80. Come on NFL how hard can this be & why are you not coaching the Dean Riveron how to call a game? I have been a fan since the 50’s and well remember YA Tittle all blooded etc yet today you might as well be playing flag football. Clay didn’t drive him into the ground period. And they still can’t figure out what is a catch.

  81. I used to think that that new American Alliance league or whatever it’s called and the new XFL were just licences to burn cash…I know I’m gonna be watching when they start up to see how much difference there is between their game and the flag football the NFL seems intent on shoving down our throats

  82. What’s more troubling,……. as in that Packer Viking game,….. the call on Matthews changed the outcome of the game. Isn’t that what everyone has been concerned about when it comes to officiating and NFL futzing with the rules. Rules that officiating crews don’t even understand and call differently from crew to crew. It’s becoming apparent the problems in the NFL start at the top. Time for Roger to step away and let someone with a football background take the reins.

  83. This is absurd. Enough is enough. If the league is going to use Clay Matthew’s tackle of Cousins as an example of how not to do things (not to mention Kendrick’s on Rodgers), then they might as well just change to flag football and then see how many fans they have left.

  84. CheeseisGoodforYou! says:
    September 18, 2018 at 11:50 am
    What’s more troubling,……. as in that Packer Viking game,….. the call on Matthews changed the outcome of the game. Isn’t that what everyone has been concerned about when it comes to officiating and NFL futzing with the rules. Rules that officiating crews don’t even understand and call differently from crew to crew. It’s becoming apparent the problems in the NFL start at the top. Time for Roger to step away and let someone with a football background take the reins.

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    Really the Matthews call should not have mattered if the Packers Offense would have scored more than one TD. The biggest was Packers D giving up 22 points in the 4th quarter. Yeah I think both calls on Mathews and Kendricks were BS, but stop blaming the Officiating for your team ending in a tie. Your D melted down and had no answers in the 4th quarter or in OT.

  85. mrdarkness13 says:
    stop blaming the Officiating for your team ending in a tie.
    >>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<
    Can you comprehend ENGLISH ???
    The call CHANGED the outcome. Ho can you agree the call was BS and then say don't blame the officials. Do you ALWAYS talk out of both sides of your mouth ????
    You should run for POLITICAL OFFICE.

  86. CheeseisGoodforYou! says:
    September 18, 2018 at 12:53 pm
    mrdarkness13 says:
    stop blaming the Officiating for your team ending in a tie.
    >>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<
    Can you comprehend ENGLISH ???
    The call CHANGED the outcome. Ho can you agree the call was BS and then say don't blame the officials. Do you ALWAYS talk out of both sides of your mouth ????
    You should run for POLITICAL OFFICE.

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    Leave the politics outta it, I can tell you're a liberal though cause you got triggered and melted down in like seconds. READ what I posted. If the Packers would have had more TDs instead of of Field goals the call wouldn't have changed the out come of the game….period. If say 3 of 5 of the Packs fGs were TDs then call on Matthews would not have mattered at all.

    3 TDs = 21 points
    Special Teams = 7
    FG 2 = 6
    that all adds up to 34.

    15 of the Packers points were FGs. You don't win many games with that type of stat. The call is how the rule is interpreted now which I think is BS. The Packers had their chances to put this game away and they didn't. And what the hell is throwing on the last possession in regulation when Minnesota had two timeouts? The officals did not lose the game for either team, BOTH teams had opportunities and failed. You blaming the officials comes off as an excuse which us Barneys were told explicitly not to use if the Vikings lost.

    Packers fans will pick at anything to think they have won something, Blame your D and bad offensive play calling getting 5 FGs for the tie , not the officiating. You should model for baby ads, but you;d look cute with a pacifier in your mouth.

  87. mrdarkness13 says:
    If the Packers would have had more TDs instead of of Field goals the call wouldn’t have changed the out come of the game….period.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<
    If the I-35 bridge wouldn't have fallen 13 people wouldn't have died.
    Makes about as much sense as your ridiculous post. Of course if Rodgers had thrown 10 TD's the penalty wouldn't have mattered. But you choose to use the "woulda, shoulda, coulda" BS line. THE PENALTY AFFECTED THE OUTCOME DUMMY !!

  88. CheeseisGoodforYou! says:
    September 18, 2018 at 2:28 pm
    mrdarkness13 says:
    If the Packers would have had more TDs instead of of Field goals the call wouldn’t have changed the out come of the game….period.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<
    If the I-35 bridge wouldn't have fallen 13 people wouldn't have died.
    Makes about as much sense as your ridiculous post. Of course if Rodgers had thrown 10 TD's the penalty wouldn't have mattered. But you choose to use the "woulda, shoulda, coulda" BS line. THE PENALTY AFFECTED THE OUTCOME DUMMY !!

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    Whay Whay Whay Whay. Crying about a rule that was created for YOUR QB! I think it pretty sick to use a tragedy like the 1-35 incident in a post dude, way way outta line! This call did not determine the outcome of the game. Its not BS dude, your team didn't get TDs when it counted it was all FGs but rather than say yeah you're right, your look for anything to justify the lack of Defense your team had in the 4th quarter. The Packers were an INT in the Bears game and a missed FG from being 0-2.

    Reality check sweetcakes, The Packers are not as good as you thought they were going to be. This injury that Rodgers has its going to plague him all year long, look forward to a lot of FGs. So what will be your excuse next week in Washington if you lose? Its about time the league stopped giving Green Bay preferential treatment. The call was the call in the spirit of the rule, I dont' like it either but the fact remains score more TDs Packers win that game, its that simple. To me its just an excuse, officlas don't lose games, teams lose games. Might want to get used to that "Team Concept" no the your One Tric Pony has come up with a limp,

  89. And the last thing I am is a liberal. But this sin’t the place or time to get political.
    I said you should run for office because you talk in circles, … which is a Prerequisite to be a politician.

  90. Well son, I’d rather be called that than make fun of a tragedy that affected a lot of people. It wasn’t funny and it was in very bad taste.

  91. Maybe so. I wanted my statement to slap you upside the head. No offense to those families. It was a tragedy,…. one that could have been prevented. But it’s fact,….. and not some wishy washy theory like your post.

  92. You know I thought it was insane when we couldn’t get a reasonable answer on what is and what is not a catch. However, when a league is organized to play TACKLE football and even the “experts” can’t decide what is and what isn’t a legal tackle well, that’s simply FUBAR.

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