Group of Hall of Famers demands an annual salary and health benefits

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A group of Pro Football Hall of Famers are arguing that every member of the Hall of Fame should be paid an annual salary and given health insurance.

In a letter sent to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, NFL Players Association Executive Director DeMaurice Smith, and Pro Football Hall of Fame President David Baker, 20 Hall of Famers say they deserve better than they have received.

“We believe we deserve more,” the letter says. “We write to demand two things: Health insurance and an annual salary for all Hall of Famers that includes a share of league revenue.”

The letter blasts Goodell as overpaid and says that the league “is notorious for the hard line it takes against players.” The Hall of Famers say they will not attend next year’s induction ceremony if their demands are not met.

The letter is signed by Eric Dickerson, who is spearheading the effort, as well as Marcus Allen, Mel Blount, Derrick Brooks, Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, Richard Dent, Carl Eller, Marshall Faulk, Mike Haynes, Rickey Jackson, Ronnie Lott, Curtis Martin, Joe Namath, John Randle, Jerry Rice, Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Jackie Smith, Lawrence Taylor and Kurt Warner. Also signing the letter is Sarah White, Reggie White’s widow.

The list of signers is interesting for a few reasons. One is the presence of Taylor on the list. Taylor crossed the picket line during the 1987 players’ strike, when players were fighting for better retirement benefits, among other issues. It’s very convenient of Taylor to care about this issue now that he’s retired, even though he undermined the issue when he was an active player and was in a better position to effect change.

Also interesting is the presence of Sanders and Warner on the list of signers because they’re both NFL Network employees. That means they work for the league that they’re blasting as not caring about its employees. Would they be willing to walk out on their NFL Network jobs in solidarity with the fellow players they say are being mistreated?

And although Carl Eller is listed as a signer, his name is misspelled as “Carl Ellard.” That one player’s name isn’t even spelled correctly would strongly suggest he didn’t actually participate in the drafting of the letter. It could be a situation where Eller and other players were approached with a question of, “Would you lend your name to the cause of helping retired players?” and said they would, without having been given all the details. Then those players’ names were added as signers of the statement, even though they hadn’t actually signed it.

And, of course, the cause isn’t “helping retired players” generally, it’s paying Hall of Famers specifically. And Hall of Famers were usually among the highest-paid players while they were active, and can still make good money with endorsements and autograph shows today. If there’s an effort to improve benefits for retired players, shouldn’t it start with the players who need the most help?

So while the Hall of Famers may have a point about the NFL paying Goodell a fortune while retired players struggle, these particular players look like the wrong messengers.

189 responses to “Group of Hall of Famers demands an annual salary and health benefits

  1. I’m sorry, but getting selected to the HOF is an award, not a job.

    You got paid when you were earning the award.

    What you did or didn’t do to plan for your future has nothing to do with the HOF.

  2. ALL former players should get health insurance. And should also have a good pension plan.

    But “give me a salary because I am in the Hall of Fame?” That has got to be the most entitled thing I have heard in a while.

  3. These players need to be shut down and firmly put in their place, whether retired or not.
    Current disrespectful players are overpaid and over-mouthy now.
    Retired are also over-mouthy, and do not deserve money just because of a gold jacket
    Trump needs to be commisioner of the league, and then we will see the game become great again

  4. I think they should be paid for their appearances in official NFL activities, but demanding an annual salary and health insurance is ridiculous.

  5. maybe have the foresight to save your money. you are getting paid a lot for a short period of time. maybe buy the reliable car over the flashy one, or a reasonable house instead of the mansion. how about not having random kids with random women. all money draining ventures. funny how everyone else has to get by on fractions of your wealth, but manages to until they are old and retire.

  6. Huh? Did the calendar suddenly flip to April 1st and I missed it?

    This is the most absurd thing I’ve read in month, which is saying something considering where today’s society finds itself.

  7. The cost would be 4 million per year according to the NFLPA to give all hall of famers health insurance per year.

    The equivalent of a 30 second Super Bowl commercial.

    Why are we even talking about this? That’s pocket change to the NFL

  8. sdelmonte says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:16 am
    ALL former players should get health insurance. And should also have a good pension plan.

    But “give me a salary because I am in the Hall of Fame?” That has got to be the most entitled thing I have heard in a while.
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    Nothing more needs to be said.

  9. Hope none of these guys blasted T.O. for not attending the ceremony… just to turn around and use their attendance at next years event as leverage to benefit financially. Pretty gross.

  10. PFT supports CK and the kneelers ridiculous claims, yet doesn’t support players who have actually contributed to the game asking for a handout? Hmm..🤔

  11. Honestly, the lack of a proper retirement program for people who helped build the NFL product is a massive stain on the league.

    It’s embarrassing.

    The guys who made the league made crap money, while Mark Sanchez made 17 million in 2009 as a rookie.

    Sickening.

  12. mcjon22 says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:23 am
    The cost would be 4 million per year according to the NFLPA to give all hall of famers health insurance per year.

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    According to te NFLPA who fudge the information and time after time weaponize things like this to go at the league with them.

    On a different note, it’s funny how all these clowns were bad mouthing TO for not attending the HOF this year, now they plan too. These guys are a bunch of morons.

  13. Oh lord, this is insane. Let’s just eliminate the NFL middle class once and for all. Stars and scrubs. Is this a joke? And we thought the HOF lobbying process was a &^%$show before…

  14. They absolutely deserve health insurance… a lot of these guys put their physical well-being on the line to lay down the foundation for this league and its current prosperity and popularity.

    But unless you’re putting in hours working on the league’s behalf for outreach or something, what exactly would merit a salary?

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    mcjon22 says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:23 am
    The cost would be 4 million per year according to the NFLPA to give all hall of famers health insurance per year.

    The equivalent of a 30 second Super Bowl commercial.

    Why are we even talking about this? That’s pocket change to the NFL

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    Because in ‘Murica, billionaires are off limits. Plain and simple

  16. This is the Terrell Owens effect. Terrell made note that the HOF is remarketing these players, glorifying their careers and continuing to make money off of their labor without further compensation. T.O. Pointed out how they use the HOF ceremony to further pad their wallets while pretending it is strictly a player honor. The league isn’t doing them a favor its a money game. Even The actors from Seinfeld continue to get paid for reruns why not football players, whose heroics make the league legendary?

    Although, I’ve got to admit I don’t like them requesting this for themselves only.

  17. Just start burning the flag and the league and its advertisers will pour a waterfall of money on your heads.

  18. I could see it if there were demanding health insurance for ALL players, not just the HOF players. That makes them look selfish and inclusionary at the expense of the vast majority of the other players.

    For that reason, the owners can take the upper PR position and tell them to pound sand.

  19. Fire Kurt Warner from the NFL Network today! I think he is a questionable HOF’er to begin with. Should not be feeding his family getting paid by a league he is crapping on off camera. Entitled, pompous, jerk off. Started his career in Green Bay and once was asked to go in for 7 on 7 drills at pratice by then QB coach Steve Mariucci and said “I’m not going in there. I don’t know this stuff” Have had no respect for him since that day.

    Kurt also is boring and horrible on TV. Fans do not like him. Send this fool on his way to join his fellow a$$hat Marshall Faulk on the unemployment line.

  20. ronrivers says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:32 am
    They absolutely deserve health insurance… a lot of these guys put their physical well-being on the line to lay down the foundation for this league and its current prosperity and popularity.

    But unless you’re putting in hours working on the league’s behalf for outreach or something, what exactly would merit a salary?

    OK first, they guys who laid the foundation are all gone. Second, Kinda think they knew the risks. Third, they had other choices in professions. Extortion, pure and simple. What I’ve come to expect from any labor union. They deserve the same health insurance that everyone else gets when they retire. It’s called medicare.

  21. What? You mean you guys don’t want Obamacare? I’m shocked every one of you guys thaought Obama was the coolest dude on the planet but you don’t want to participate in his signature piece that cemented his legend as the best president ever. Wow what a head scratcher.

  22. It is pretty stunning that players who last in the league 3 years get only 5 years of medical insurance after they retire. And if you play less than 3 years you get nada.

  23. Kurt Warner signed this letter,simply because he knows just how lucky he is to even be able to sign something with all the REAL HOFers who signed it. The most Overrated player in the HOF. He has to know he’s not deserving of that Gold Jacket he wears everywhere.

  24. This needs to separate ‘award’ vs ‘job’. If receiving the award means their attendance is asked at certain events because the HOF wants its showing then they are entitled to some oayment for the apoearances. But these guys might want to be careful what they wish for. If they became salaried and benefitted employees then the HOF owns their time to a degree and they can wind up required to go to things they might gave wanted to skip. Right now they might say ‘they are expected to’ and there is some truth to that, but they do actually have the right yo say “no” (and noted that their letter threatens that). And if they are obligated as employyes are and yet did start saying “no” and wound up being spdisciplined and fired does termination also involve in removal from the hall?that sounds whavk I know but that is the difference between being an actual employye if sonething vs being someone that is getting honored there.

    As far as feeling obligated for appearances, if they want to push for a few bucks for their time (and I assume expenses would be covered) thats fine, its a lot less strings attached when done that way.

  25. This is disappointing… cant they just go do a commercial or something and actually WORK? Lost all respect for everyone mentioned.

  26. So they pay an active employee a fortune while non-employees (and never were employees) struggle? Goodell has a league to operate, the players have all the time in the world to figure out how to earn a living if that’s what they need to do.

    What happens if the league says no? What leverage do these HOFers have?

  27. “x101100111001111x says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:21 am
    Socialism/Communism in action”

    Obviously you have no clue what socialism or communism are. Google it. Medicare is a socialist policy. Private pay insurance from a former employer is not.

  28. It is embarrassing that some of these “legends” live in poverty. They deserve insurance at the very least. A large portion of these players, even the HOF players made very little money while they played. The recipient of “the catch” made 60k a year. Not a horrible salary for the time but definitely not enough to support yourself after your retirement from all those injuries. These players have a lot of medical issues and the NFL has made so much money off what these players accomplished. This needs to be a bigger issue.

  29. The league should definitely do more to support retired NFL players. Seeing the numbers of them that are struggling in their post-playing days is staggering, so there needs to be more done to ensure that they have a basic level they can exist on.

    But what leverage do they have at this point? It’s pretty self-serving to ask for these things when you are done your career and don’t actually have to contribute to it. Are active NFL players going to give up some of what they are looking for in exchange for retirement security? Because that’s what it’s going to take for this to get done.

  30. It’d be a nice move to offer lifetime healthcare for all the really old guys who didnt make any money in the league. No idea where the cutoff should be, people would complain either way.

  31. I agree that Roger Baddell is grossly overpaid, but these players made millions of dollars in their careers, so they should have planned accordingly. Small business owners that make a fraction of what these players made have to pay for their own health insurance. Pay for it yourself.

  32. What a bunch of tools!!!!

    Health Insurance for all players would be fine, but an annual salary because you were voted into the HoF. Who the hell even thought about putting something like that out there?

  33. I guess there’s two sides to this. The HOF profits because of the players represented in the Hall. On the other hand, the players represented in the Hall have profited because of their status as members of the HOF. I’m sure that the gold jacket has opened up doors for these retired players that wouldn’t have existed if there was no pro football Hall of Fame.

  34. They didnt save any money to afford their own?They havent gotten employment post playing career to help afford their own?

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    Many of them don’t know. A lot of Hall of Famers struggle to make ends meet as well after their career is over. Then you get the players that only last the league average of 3 years. You get that 600k/year or something for you first couple years. You think you are going to play for years to come and you spend money like you will always be making it. Then an injury or you just can’t cut it and the money dries up if you don’t change your lifestyle which many of them don’t.

    I’m not saying it isn’t their fault, but now many retired players and some HoF players have to get basic jobs after retirement and struggle.

  35. bri55mn says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:49 am
    “x101100111001111x says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:21 am
    Socialism/Communism in action”

    Obviously you have no clue what socialism or communism are. Google it. Medicare is a socialist policy. Private pay insurance from a former employer is not.

    If you can’t see the correlation? Maybe its time you put down the cherry kool-aid and stop looking at everything through slanted, red tinted lenses. Closed eyes see nothing.

  36. vicnocal says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:15 am
    They must be Bernie Sanders voters.
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    Nah. Like the article states these players are advocating for only Hall of fame players who for the most part were the top 1% of their profession in terms if compensation. If they were advocating for ALL retired NFL players you may have had a point.

  37. 1) Off the cuff it just smells like a shakedown and consequently I hold zero sympathy for it. As gross as Roger Goodell is (and in many ways) his compensation has zero relevance to Hall of Famers financial status. The Comparison Game regularly results in two losers.

    However…

    2) “Would they be willing to walk out on their NFL Network jobs in solidarity with the fellow players they say are being mistreated?”
    …IDK but that’s a completely arbitrary action for them to take and highly presumptuous of you to implicate is a necessary action to take.
    3) Lawrence Taylor, as is anyone else in the world, is allowed to change his mind. Oh wait, that’s right, it’s 2018… we must hold everyone accountable for every archived past decision, I keep forgetting, silly me.

  38. Or they could take it out of Goodell’s $40 Million+ contract. That undeserving clown should offer up a few million from his share. How they extended him at that price is a mystery given the current issues the league faces.

    To justify it’s greed, the league still charges full price for the unwatchable disaster that is Preseason, $12 dollar beers at most venues, more commercials than actual gameplay, and is trying to sell itself out for year long international games.

    The greed of the NFL, it’s Players, and the organization as a whole is becoming toxic to the product. The league seems to be turning into an endless money grab drama played out by increasingly unlikable characters.

  39. I don’t agree but if they do get anything it should be for all and not a select few. It’s like congress not participating in any healthcare or social security that the rest of us have…..

  40. Wow…just wow. Can anyone say entitlement… I can see a one time payment/bonus for being elected into the Hall of Fame, maybe coming out of the revenue derived from the HOF broadcast and the Hall of Fame attendance itself but to expect health insurance and a paycheck for the rest of your lives is absolutely ridicules. If that is what they want have them take it to the players union and get it written into the next collective bargaining contract. If they don’t want to show up for future HOF induction ceremonies so be it.

  41. In general, I agree, but there’s a line to define between “retired player” and “washed out” because I don’t think the NFL should be required to pay lifetime benefits to every former player who may claim to “retire.” A minimum time playing (e.g. 10 years) might be in order, and may exclude some players mentioned, like Jim Brown. All-time great, yes, but he only played for 8 years. What career gets you lifetime pension/health benefits after just 8 years of service.

  42. I got Bennigan’s employee of the month back in 2003. I think I should get an annual salary, health benefits, and all you can eat turkey O’tooles.

  43. What’s the salary for? If they’re doing work on behalf of the NFL or Hall of Fame, it’s reasonable to ask for compensation. If they just want a salary for being a Hall of Famer, that really doesn’t make sense. Is there any indication why they believe they’re entitled to this?

  44. “sdelmonte says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:16 am
    ALL former players should get health insurance. And should also have a good pension plan.

    But “give me a salary because I am in the Hall of Fame?” That has got to be the most entitled thing I have heard in a while.


    A pension plan is a salary. It is also a long term liability to the company. Retiree health benefits I can understand, especially for career in a physically demanding job. But lets scale back on step further. Why do these guys demand a salary and health benefits, while guys who did the exact same job as them (any former player) not get one. It’s a giant can of worms. No way the current NFLPA even considers this. Unions are notoriously me-centric and they aren’t going to fight for someone else to get something. Just look at the rookie wage scale. They had no problem making all the soon to be rookies get paid less and have less contract bargaining room to make concessions for what they wanted.

    Also the HOF is a joke. It hasn’t been the HOF for at least 15-20 years. It’s the hall of really good skill position players and other guys if we have room.

  45. Is this a joke?? Are we being punk’d? A salary and health benefits for being in the HOF, are you kidding me?? These players have some nerve. This makes me think much less of all former players. The greed is uncanny.

    As if being paid millions during their playing wasn’t enough?
    As if the endorsements during, and after their career isn’t enough?
    As if the post-career job opportunities are not enough?

    These guys line their pockets at every corner. And now they want money just for being in the HOF? I can’t get over the greed. Every one of these guys are snakes in the grass of the highest order.

  46. I make 65k a year working a government job. I could’ve earned more in the private sector but took a lower paying job for the retirement benefits. I will earn roughly $1.6 million in my career and if I live for 20yrs into retirement, another $1 million in retirement. I put away around 15% of my income in my 401k to add to my retirement just in case I have home repairs, need a new car, want a new television etc. IT ISN’T THAT HARD TO PLAN YOUR RETIREMENT!!! SAVE SOME DAMN MONEY YOU FRIGGIN IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  47. This is what happens when it doesn’t become a hall of elite and instead a hall of very good enough. Just wait when 99% of all players right now don’t get in, or the flip side if half the current qbs in the league get in instead of just 3 or so like how it should be.

  48. Canton, with its tiny voting pool and more like a grand jury than a committee compared to the other pro leagues, doesn’t need yet another subjective variable……this one being “well, he really needs the money.”

  49. i can see health insurance… but i have an idea, put your money away for retirement, you know your career is not long!!
    Rather than buying mansions, hookers, cars, and blow, maybe spend some of that money of an IRA like the rest of us!

  50. these guys are proving football does brain damage. they got everything they signed up for and want to change the rules years after they did anything productive. i guess that same brain damage kept them from getting any kind of job after they retired, in their 30s.
    smh
    just what are they offering to do in order to receive that salary? nothing, they want to get paid decades later.
    irrational to say the least

  51. Lotsa these guys must be suffering from post concussion syndromes. Their arguments do not make sense. Look after yourselves better guys.

  52. I see the writer’s point but I also believe there is some weight to the argument that the league would not be the league it is without the players that make the game so exciting. I’d also argue that the NFL gains revenue from the hall of fame and NFL films using those players’ names.

  53. If Terrell Owens would have suggested this he would have been labeled a malcontent,,watch these guys not show up next ! I think the fans should get a salary and health care from the NFL !

  54. Dear Signees:

    Glad to have your input on the matter. Apparently, you are all on drugs. Especially true since the HOF and the NFL aren’t actually part of the same organization. We will pull all of your pictures, busts, and displays and store them until that time when you return to your senses. Please send us a coherently written apology individually at that time so we may assess your requests for reinstatement.

    Get well soon.

  55. For once I agree with Florio….these guys are just looking for more free money…they made more than their peers while in the league and most can still make money now….as one dude above said it’s an award not a job you ain’t entitled to jack all

  56. Partially paid health insurance? That’s not too much to ask. An annual salary? Hard pass…for any player that played after 1990. Quite a few players on that list made millions. It’s not the league’s fault they can’t manage money. However, I would be okay with a small salary of $40k for any player in the HOF that never made more than $100k a year (a very short list).

  57. Health coverage may make sense because they are suffering work related effects from work that the NFL benefits from (and can easily afford). But you are OUT OF YOUR MIND if you think you should get a salary. If you want a salary get a job, lots of businesses (radio, tv, or anything sports) would love to have an ex-nfl player.

  58. joetoronto says:
    September 18, 2018 at 10:14 am

    Show me a socialist and I’ll show you a lazy entitled person.
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    C’mon Joe- Germans are Socialists- are they lazy and entitled? Pretty tough to get the 4th largest economy in the world with a population of only 80 mill. or so with all of those “lazy and entitled” people.

    Lazy is not knowing the meaning of a word.

  59. Why do HOF’ers put themselves ahead of any other former player? Most of these guys, because they are HOF’ers made more money post career. This will be interesting for all the one’s that currently work for an organization.

  60. I agree that Goodell is ridiculously overpaid. That’s a no-brainer. However, if these guys on the list did not put all of their ducks in a row money-wise post-football career, that is on them. They certainly made enough money in their playing days where they should be set for life. How do they think regular people get by? They want to get paid for….what? Doing nothing? You can still work, even if you’re retired. If they blew through their money, who’s fault is that? I doubt that they get what they’re looking for.

  61. No!
    NFLPA….always using NFL players, past, present, and future…to advance their agenda.
    These players KNEW the risks of playing football yet they CHOSE to play anyway and got paid, plus fame, perks, etc.
    Apparently the vast majority of NFL players did not major in economics, or didn’t even take a basic economics class in HS or college.
    Screw the players IMO.

  62. Each NFL team should decide their relationship with and compensation for their HOF players. Maybe they pay all or some of these players an “Ambassador” bonus if they help promote the team through personal appearances, marketing and community service. (They may already do this.)

    HOF players should receive some annual stipend & incentive to cover their costs attending HOF ceremonies. (This may already be happening too.)

    As far as Healthcare – that’s too complex an issue for me. I believe there is a health care pool for retired players. Some support should be provided but not lifetime coverage.

  63. As mentioned in the article Taylor crossed the picket line when the NFLPA went on strike in 87 over pension issues yet here we are in 2018 and the players are still without a decent plan . The reasons are pretty clear , greed by the active players when the CBA is negotiated during their careers and inept union leadership . Bottom line NFL players shoulder all the blame for their current situation, by only caring about the present not their futures while still playing and electing inept union leadership that allowed the league to dominate the union since day one . Every union in all the other pro sports league have put the NFLPA to shame when it comes to providing for their members even though the NFL revenue stream is well above all of the other leagues .

  64. They are kidding aren’t they? Pretty sad that these guys think by being voted into the HOF they should get health insurance and a salary. I used to think some of the guys who signed the letter were of above average intelligence for football players and cognizant of the world around them and business. No longer. Now they have revealed themselves to be bunch of hypocritical idiots.

    Entitled to a salary and insurance benefits by virtue of election to the HOF? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

    What Goodell or anyone else gets paid has ZERO relevance. That is the most pathetic argument in all the comments.

  65. joetoronto says:
    September 18, 2018 at 10:14 am

    Show me a socialist and I’ll show you a lazy entitled person.
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    C’mon Joe- Germans are Socialists- are they lazy and entitled? Pretty tough to get the 4th largest economy in the world with a population of only 80 mill. or so with all of those “lazy and entitled” people.

    Lazy is not knowing the meaning of a word.
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    Germany is a democratic country that has some social programs, like Canada does.

    Stop being lazy and look it up.

  66. This is crazy. Maybe these guys should have invested money in a 401k or negotiated a pension. I don’t expect my company to pay me a salary after I leave and provide no value or work for them. Broke old guys trying to make money off a billion dollar company.

  67. joetoronto says:
    September 18, 2018 at 10:14 am
    Show me a socialist and I’ll show you a lazy entitled person.
    ==================================================

    Anti-Socialism here. That said …

    You clearly have no idea what socialism is as an economic system. None at all.

    I don’t support these players one iota, but your comment is just way out of line and projects you to not be too smart. Your username is “joe toronto”. If you are actually from toronto or live there, we should assume, with nationalized health care and other things canada provides and you take from the government that you are a socialist and the using your logic it means you are a “lazy entitled person”. Get the point?

  68. There are 180 members in the Hall,,, divide that number by Roger Goodells salary for one year and all 180 would receive a check for $224,000.00

  69. The NFL should offer healthcare for players with X years of service. The Cardinals already offer this to all their players. That isn’t asking much from a league pulling in billions. But the whole paying players a salary post-retirement deal? Yeah that is just ridiculous. Be smart with your earnings while you play and yiu shpuld have plenty of money to last you a long time, if not for the rest of your life.

  70. Blindly obey. If that doesn’t work then use the peer pressure of Patriotism to get them to fall in line.

    “Shut up and obey” should probably replace “Oh hey can you see” during the anthem.
    Fall in line or get replaced seems to be what the masses want on this thread. ironically that line of thinking is communistic LOL! Shut up and obey. No free thinkers.

  71. The cost would be 4 million per year according to the NFLPA to give all hall of famers health insurance per year.

    The equivalent of a 30 second Super Bowl commercial.

    Why are we even talking about this? That’s pocket change to the NFL
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    You have got to be kidding if you think health insurance will only be 4 million for all of these guys. Every single one of them has a pre existing condition and with CTE becoming more of a focus premiums for ex NFLers will be outrageous.
    More like 40 million, if not more.

  72. mogogo1 says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:45 am
    It is pretty stunning that players who last in the league 3 years get only 5 years of medical insurance after they retire. And if you play less than 3 years you get nada.
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    That’s “stunning”? Are you sure you understand the definition of that word?

    It’s “stunning” to me that they DO get that.

  73. This is a by-product of allowing the players to kneel.

    Now they think they are entitled to protest anything and everything they want.

    They played under union contracts that THEY voted to accept. If they didn’t like the terms they could have refused to pass the contracts.

    If they keep it up the NFL should remove the HOF.

  74. mcjon22 says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:23 am
    The cost would be 4 million per year according to the NFLPA to give all hall of famers health insurance per year.

    The equivalent of a 30 second Super Bowl commercial.

    Why are we even talking about this? That’s pocket change to the NFL

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    Because greed is killing this country. That’s why. It’s disturbing. It’s similar to how we treat our veterans. Chew em up and spit em out.

  75. I almost always side with players, but the NFL can’t possibly be tasked with providing salaries & health insurance to former players

    Mostly because it would have to either be for all former players or no former players. This “HOFers only” is the most laughable part, to me

    But the prospect of the NFL providing healthcare to thousands is simply too much to ask of them. If you didn’t know that football had long term health issues, then you probably had a brain injury before you even got to the NFL

  76. So, if your demands aren’t meet you are not showing up for next years HOF ceremony…oh how tragic.
    Sounds like the entitlement crowd is getting bigger.

  77. We recently saw the out cry regarding T O not showing up for his induction. Now some hall of famers are saying they might not show up next year. Hypocritical?

  78. Noticeably missing from the list of signees is Gale Sayers who was paid a mere $275,000 over the span of his career. He later became an outstanding businessman after his career ended. Perhaps his absence from the list says more about how so many former players mismanaged their earnings.

  79. Well, I have been a fan of the NFL too since the late 60s. I pay for tickets, parking, buy obscene amounts of merchandise, Sunday NFL ticket, massive tv view time…..soo, where’s our cut. I helped build this league, just like you.

  80. 6thsense10 says:
    September 18, 2018 at 10:03 am
    vicnocal says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:15 am
    They must be Bernie Sanders voters.
    —-
    Nah. Like the article states these players are advocating for only Hall of fame players who for the most part were the top 1% of their profession in terms if compensation. If they were advocating for ALL retired NFL players you may have had a point.
    ————–
    Bernie’s only avocation was to get elected. Just like the rest. If you beleive anything else you are only lying to yourself.

  81. Crazy. You are witnessing the death of the NFL. The HOF is already political. Add benefits to being in the HOF and it will be much worse. People are turning off the product. Ratings are down. Viewing is declining. When will these spoiled millionaires wake up?

  82. They’re right about Goodell, but wrong about everything else.

    They made a mountain of money while they were in the league, and helped the league make its money, but that doesn’t entitle them to anything more than they’ve gotten.

    Even health insurance – again, they’re all wealthy, unless they squandered it. They can afford their own insurance. They want better coverage, they can lobby for single-payer health care like the rest of us.

    That they would ask for this while leaving all the non-HOF players out in the cold is kind of baffling and off-putting.

    If that sounds unsympathetic, it’s not because I don’t believe they deserve health care – they just don’t deserve it more than the rest of us do, and they have far more means than most people do.

  83. The NFLPA should negotiate a mandatory 20% of player salaries go into a pension fund for them that cannot be touched until 8 years after they retire and can only distribute 5% of that sum a year thereafter. Obviously few of these guys can save on their own.

  84. tylawspick6 says:
    September 18, 2018 at 11:05 am

    Because greed is killing this country. That’s why. It’s disturbing. It’s similar to how we treat our veterans. Chew em up and spit em out.

    ==============

    It’s not similar at all, actually. These players get paid more than your average veteran makes in several lifetimes’ worth of work. They get “spat out” fabulously wealthy and set for life, which equips them to handle life’s challenges to a degree most people will never know.

    Long-term health issues later in life is definitely something the league and society needs to come to terms with. Everyone needs to fully understand the risks, mitigate them as much as possible, and compensate active players accordingly. But let’s not pretend these are “regular Joes”.

  85. This group of men who signed this letter has the stones to basically extort money from the NFL because they feel they are worthy of it? Because they see the funds in the NFL’s bank account and feel it is theirs to take? Is this for real?

    I hope each and every one of them never shows up to another HOF ceremony. Kiss off Deion. Kiss off Jim Brown.

    The NFL Hall Of Fame is about what you did ‘on the field’ as well as who you are ‘off the field’ to an extent. Character, perseverance, a cut above the rest of your peers.

    This “power play” reeks of my teenager refusing to do the dishes because she feels entitled. “It’s not fair man.”

    These dudes have bitten off of the apple of greed and entitlement. They think they are deserving of more because God in His mercy gave them an extraordinary athletic talent at birth and they want the credit for it and they want to live like the corrupt Leader/Commissioner of the NFL.

    To the players mentioned above, get your head and your “poor me” attitude out of the septic tank. It’s not all about you. You were blessed…now use those blessings to bless others and live thankfully. Stop tainting the HOF. Stop tainting the game. Stop tainting the human race.

    Live responsibly and within your means.

    You are giving the everyday NFL fan another good reason not to show up on Sundays.

    You are also alienating your ex-teammates who would like to go “one on one” with you in an open field to give you the smackdown you deserve.

    Think before you write…

  86. You know what? Hell no. If they were fighting for all retired players that might have some resonance, but here they’re claiming that HOFers somehow deserve more because they gave more or something?

    Nope. Screw ’em. Screw ’em all.

  87. treyforaday says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:21 am
    These are the Millenials of the HOF. Sure give them 20k a year and 1 physical.

    ____________________________________

    Funny how the last generation to get PENSIONS are always talking about millenial entitlement who pay into social security but likely will not be able to receive it back.

  88. The profit margin for teams, taking Green Bay as an example, is about $30MM per year, per published reports. Aaron Rodgers just signed a contract that pays him more than that. He will be in the HoF and deserves a “cut” from that profit margin and permanent health insurance from it, also? Tom Brady made $100MM plus in his career, he needs an additional salary throughout his life because he will be in the HoF?

    The players shared $5 billion last year, give or take a few $100 million. That is for about 1700 total players. Why don’t the PLAYERS share a few $100 million of that for the guys who “made the league” and enabled them to have the salaries they make today?

    The minimum for a veteran player last year was $615,000. How much do the HoFers “deserve”? at least that much? Twice that much, three times?

  89. mcjon22 says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:23 am
    The cost would be 4 million per year according to the NFLPA to give all hall of famers health insurance per year.

    The equivalent of a 30 second Super Bowl commercial.

    Why are we even talking about this? That’s pocket change to the NFL

    ————

    I think you’re missing the point bud.

  90. Just a reminder on Eric Dickerson. He was traded mid-season at the end of his career, but failed his physical due to a neck condition that left him vulnerable to being paralyzed if he took a shot to the head or not. This dude wanted to sign a waiver that he would be 100% liable for further injury but the team would not endanger him and rescinded the trade.

    Now you have this guy involved in the concussions and healthcare…jeez oh man.

  91. Most of the players on that list made out pretty well for themselves and still get great endorsements. Hell, kurt warner even bilked kaepernick out of 4 million or so to try to teach him the QB position

  92. bri55mn says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:49 am
    “x101100111001111x says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:21 am
    Socialism/Communism in action”
    Obviously you have no clue what socialism or communism are. Google it. Medicare is a socialist policy. Private pay insurance from a former employer is not.

    Evidently you don’t know that medicare is an insurance that is deducted from pay by those who actually have a paying job. If you get a paystub look at the deductions.

  93. No need to boycott next year as you won’t be invited. What did you do with your money? Deion made over $33 million in salary alone, not including endorsements. I guess not much is left when you pay child support for three kids.

  94. mogogo1 says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:45 am
    It is pretty stunning that players who last in the league 3 years get only 5 years of medical insurance after they retire. And if you play less than 3 years you get nada.

    —————————–

    If they want health care after they “retire” at the ripe old age of 30, let them get another job and have their new employer pay for it. Like everyone else.

  95. I have a story about Bart Oates. He was the center for the Giants in the late 80’s/early 90’s. He has since become a lawyer in NJ. He relayed this to my father-in-law. After he left the NFL after an 11 yr career. He was eligible for 1 year of medical coverage. After he left the NFL, he had an additional 5-10 surgeries related to injuries he suffered during his playing career. He also mentioned that these NFL alumni are not prepared for the real word. From his time in HS, thru College, through the NFL, he never made a single Drs appt. It was all handled by the team. When he retired, he was thrown into the deep end of navigating the process of Drs and Insurance.

  96. “Union brothers. It’s that time again when we vote on a new CBA.
    We have this item. HOFers want a salary and medical insurance.
    The league says sure, but you the union will have to divvy it up yourselves out of the unions cut.
    Any questions? Yes, you in back.”

    Guy in back: “I’ve played for 10 years and I’m crippled up. What’s in it for me?”

    “Well maybe we can do something about the medical. But, you aren’t going to get
    a salary for life.

    Let’s vote on this item? No?
    Next item.”

    The union is made up of “Some Guy” players. What’s in it for them?
    I’d vote no just because of the salary and the insult even asking that is to “Some Guys”.

  97. How about this….since these guys can’t manage their own money, spread all contracts out over 40yrs. That would get them to Medicare/Social Security age. That would guarantee them a paycheck until retirement age. No more lump sum payments, no signing bonuses, no workout bonuses. All of that money goes in their pool and is paid out in monthly payments for life. They would still make more money that 99% of Americans. For a player making $25 million in career earnings, that would be $52,083 a month for 40 years.

  98. I am generally on the Players side more then I am on the Owners side, but I don’t see why the Hall of Famers should be getting a Salary. I am not against them, but I don’t understand why they should be getting a Salary.

    A Salary is money that you are paid for work that you perform. What work are the performing?

    How much should the ‘Salary’ be? Do they get a raise? Do they get performance reviews? What happens when they die? Does the ‘Salary’ stop?

    Weird.

  99. “The Hall of Famers say they will not attend next year’s induction ceremony if their demands are not met”
    “20 Hall of Famers say they deserve better than they have received”
    ——————————————————
    I would like to know exactly which person or player made those statements.
    Right now there are 318 people in the Pro Football Hall of Fame and I wonder how the other 298 inductees feel about these sudden “demands?” What about the MLB and NBA, are they next to hold both hands out?
    And what are they going to do now to earn that salary, show up once a year just to be seen? These are elite players that already profit off something they were GIVEN after their careers were long over. They were told they were better players than most of the others, so I guess now they think they still are better and deserve more just because they were again, given a title.
    If anything the people in the HoF should pay the Hall which enables those inductees to profit off being a member for the rest of their life.

  100. tylawspick6 says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:28 am
    One announcement:

    Carl Lipbalm died last week in summer school from a severe anxiety attack.

    —————–

    So the Caddy Scholarship is available?

  101. Even back when players were making $20,000 my Dad ( middle class guy ) was making $10,000. He managed to save enough to send his 4 kids to college and retire comfortably. Save and invest your money, live moderately, not excessively. You’ll be fine.

  102. According to a very quick Google search:

    Estimated Net Worth 2018

    Eric Dickerson – $10 Million
    Marcus Allen – $10 Million
    Mel Blount – ??
    Derrick Brooks – $30 Million
    Jim Brown – $50 Million
    Earl Campbell – $25 Million
    Richard Dent – $1 Million
    Carl Eller – ??
    Marshall Faulk – $12 Million
    Mike Haynes – ??
    Rickey Jackson – ??
    Ronnie Lott – $5 Million
    Curtis Martin – $6 Million (or $20 M)
    Joe Namath – $18 Million
    John Randle – ??
    Jerry Rice – $55 Million
    Deion Sanders – $40 Million
    Bruce Smith – $12 million
    Jackie Smith – ??
    Lawrence Taylor – BROKE
    Kurt Warner – $30 Million
    Reggie White – $6 Million

    To put this things perspective.

  103. Hall-of-Famers want a salary? That’s the most ridiculous thing I have ever read.

    Can they just fire Goodell already, and hire a guy with a spine and some integrity?

  104. I agree with an above post…way up there.

    ALL former NFL players should have access to/ be provided health insurance.

    ALL former players should have a pension, much like vested MLB players.

    Not an unreasonable request….err, demand.

  105. It’s called financial planning… I have to do it, hell almost all of us on this site need to! There is a simple way to fix this… require all players to finish college.. then they have a degree to fall back on for income/insurance.

  106. 50M/year, private plane for life and the best healthcare for life…. is fine for Roger Goodell. But fans are outraged that former players ask for healthcare and money for continual use of their likeness.

  107. Some of these players should be happy they even made the HoF (Joe Namath) and just enjoy what that honor has brought them.

    Here’s an idea: Take all the stuff in the HoF from these 20 players (and those that demand to be paid) and put it all in a “special” room that patrons have to pay extra to enter and make sure they know why.
    Tell the self appointed elitist inductees they can split those proceeds….

    Better yet just tell these 20 guys to turn in their HoF jackets and move their busts to the basement.

  108. Why should HOF retirees be treated better than any other union “brother”?

    Eating their own kind they are. Come back to earth and see how normal, non-wonderful humans live. It must be hard to forget being so impressive.

  109. kenmasters34 says:
    September 18, 2018 at 1:14 pm
    50M/year, private plane for life and the best healthcare for life…. is fine for Roger Goodell. But fans are outraged that former players ask for healthcare and money for continual use of their likeness.

    Maybe if they finished college like Roger did or got a degree in something other than “Urban Studies” or “Communications” they’d be in better financial shape than what they are now, a bunch of overgrown children who got paid a shiznit ton of money for playing with balls.

  110. The nfl has been extorting its fans for years and you fans side with the league over the ex players, the nfl just recently started paying taxes, and after the vote to move the Raiders to Vegas every owner got $150m just for voting whether they were in favor of the move or not. Let’s not act like any work force is well compensated. Chances are you are not compensated properly at your job either. The owners only give out $100m dollar contacts because it’s a small fraction of what the league makes. I personally like seeing the players compensated properly. Waking up and seeing that Junior Seau had committed suicide bothered me and any child of the 80s. You people act like these players are coming for your personal money under your mattress. Go back to your normal job where you are probably getting screwed over but your too “independent” and “smart” to notice it.

  111. Why are the majority of posters against taking a small portion of the money generated by the NFL to give to a reasonable cause? Not every player in the hall of fame made millions of dollars during their careers. Many struggle with health problems that they are bearing the cost of right now. I think that limiting these benefits to only HOFers is sort of self-serving, but why not try? Would you rather the money be used to line the pockets of Goodell and the already millionaire/billionaire owners? Why do we root for those people so much?

  112. I worked 30 years for a large automobile manufacturer and made a good salary my career there . The tooling I worked on made parts that sold millions of vehicles over my 30 years . I would not even entertain the idea of suing or even asking my former company to give me a salary and benefits free of charge because they made countless millions on my efforts ” everyone employed ” over the life span of the particular models . I guess guys that made far above even the highest paid salary of regular workers should have planned ahead or had financial advisers to help them if they weren’t smart enough .

  113. I may be the only one that thinks the fact that retired players get full health coverage from the NFL for 5 full years after retirement now is fine.

    I don’t know why they are entitled to a lifetime of coverage? I realize that the NFL beats up the body over time, but they are also paid handsomely during their career because of the risks involved.

    Asking for a annual salary for just making the Hall Of Fame is ridiculous. I think asked for just so they can say “Ok we will drop the salary request if you give all NFL Players lifetime healthcare coverage” Bargaining tool.

    I know Reggie’s widow Sarah White signed this letter on Reggie’s behalf, but I truly don’t think if Reggie was alive today that he would be a part of this letter.

    #92NeverForget

  114. Bunch of Greedy Scum Bags just wanting more and more and more. #1 Hall Of Famers have a retirement package from the NFL that INCLUDES HEALTH-CARE and starts at 400$K per years, 400 thousand per year for doing nothing and they want MORE, nevermind that HOF’s were among the HIGHEST best paid players in the NFL over their careers. Why do they think they deserve a pay check from the Hall for DOING NOTHING? The Hall is a privaledge and they do zero work to be in it, this is just about greed.

  115. I have a story about Bart Oates. He was the center for the Giants in the late 80’s/early 90’s. He has since become a lawyer in NJ. He relayed this to my father-in-law. After he left the NFL after an 11 yr career. He was eligible for 1 year of medical coverage. After he left the NFL, he had an additional 5-10 surgeries related to injuries he suffered during his playing career. He also mentioned that these NFL alumni are not prepared for the real word. From his time in HS, thru College, through the NFL, he never made a single Drs appt. It was all handled by the team. When he retired, he was thrown into the deep end of navigating the process of Drs and Insurance.
    ======

    A friend of our family was on the Raiders team that won XV.

    Since he’s been out of football, he says he’s spent roughly $600k of his own money on over a dozen surgeries.

  116. The NFL and the football HOF are welfare children of tax payers. They take everything, give nothing back and expect people to work for free for them while reaping all the rewards. #murica

  117. kenmasters34 says:
    September 18, 2018 at 1:14 pm
    50M/year, private plane for life and the best healthcare for life…. is fine for Roger Goodell. But fans are outraged that former players ask for healthcare and money for continual use of their likeness.
    ——————————————————————————————–

    Find me one person here who thinks that is fine…

  118. The players’ demands are idiotic, but people crying “socialism” and “communism” in the comments really need to crack a textbook. Those terms don’t apply every time someone asks for something he hasn’t earned. Seriously, if you want to involve yourself in the national conversation, get a basic grounding in these terms. They’re particular ideologies, not all-purpose terms for entitlement.

  119. This is just a selfish and lame attempt at a money-grab. I might have a little respect for these guys if they were fighting for health insurance for ALL retired players, especially the ones in poor health. So they made the HOF…they should get PAID for it? That is just ridiculous and disgusting.

  120. hahaha, good one! Almost got me! What? Wait. They’re serious? The biggest stars, therefore the highest paid during their careers want benefits for themselves and not even a mention of the poor shmucks who made their HOF careers possible? I guess the sense of entitlement never ends. Please, stop. This is in my top 3 of all time dumbest requests ever.

  121. For the amount of risk that comes with playing the game, players should be provided health insurance for the rest of their lives. Few other professions have as short of shelf life and take a toll on your body. I’ve seen many of friends’ former NFL dads hindered by debilitating injuries they suffered while playing, which makes it hard for them to continue working after a professional football career. Luckily for them, they planned for the future, but you can’t expect that from most young people, especially those living on a day-to-day basis. There’s a reason the NFL is called Not For Long. Protect the guys who risked their health in order to bring the organization billions and work harder to make sure these guys can stay gainfully employed once their careers are over. We must take care of each other.

  122. WOW!

    Whoever brainwashed this many Americans into believing that proper health care is a privilege that people should pay through the nose for their entire lives deserves an award.

    And by award I mean a punch in the nose!

    sad…

  123. hawkkiller says:
    September 18, 2018 at 2:10 pm

    Bunch of Greedy Scum Bags just wanting more and more and more. #1 Hall Of Famers have a retirement package from the NFL that INCLUDES HEALTH-CARE and starts at 400$K per years, 400 thousand per year for doing nothing and they want MORE, nevermind that HOF’s were among the HIGHEST best paid players in the NFL over their careers. Why do they think they deserve a pay check from the Hall for DOING NOTHING? The Hall is a privaledge and they do zero work to be in it, this is just about greed.

    LIES!!!!! NOTHING BUT LIES!

    From an OJ SIMPSON ARTICLE: So Simpson could get about $47,000 a year going forward.

    Article from 2014: Despite the high-profile salaries of some players, the average annual NFL player’s pension benefit in 2014 was $43,000

    Watching Americans hate on other Americans for having actual “benefits” from working hard is gross.

  124. To the Trump voter….go back to your cave Neanderthal.

    Let me get this right, MLB has health benefits for all its players but WOE is ME if the NFL is asked to provide benefits to those who played and built the game up. Keep in mind, NFL pays no taxes. Keep in mind, we are talking about $4-5 million dollars annually to cover HOF and $10MM or less to include non HOF in an entertainment industry incurring revenue over $8 BILLION annually!!! The other thing I would remind people is that not everyone was a star making millions of dollars and in fact that didnt happen until the late 90s. Many of these guys were retired by then and can barely walk let alone work some of them. The NFL has never done the right thing for the players…ever hence why they have to walk out to get any movement on things they need contractually.

  125. I,like most, feel like demanding lifetime healthcare only for those enshrined is absurd.

    As far as a portion of the profits which NFL owners receive from the hall of fame induction ceremony and the hall of fame game? Hall of famers should get a cut. So many here bitch and moan about selfish millionaire players, yet don’t see how the billionaire owners exploit their employees whenever possible.

  126. How much more money do these high priced athletes want ? Granted you didnt get the style of contracts you have now in the 70’s or 80’s but i doubt these players had a small house or a poor car. Everythings relative.

    They earnt loads compared to the likes of you and me in the last few decades, now they want more because they didnt control their finances properly ? No sympathy whatsoever if they blew that money

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