Report: Patriots get seventh-round pick with no conditions in Josh Gordon trade

AP

The Josh Gordon trade terms have still not been formally announced by either the Browns or the Patriots, but we’re starting to get some clarity on what the Patriots gave up. And it wasn’t much.

Cleveland sent Gordon and a seventh-round draft pick to the Patriots for a fifth-round draft pick. According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, the seventh-round pick is not conditional, contrary to some reports.

The Browns don’t have their own seventh-round pick next year because they sent it to Miami in the Jarvis Landry trade, but the Browns have acquired both the Jaguars’ and Steelers’ seventh-round picks, so New England will apparently get one of those. The Patriots’ fifth-round pick is their own.

That the conditions were taken off the seventh-round pick would seem to suggest that the Patriots insisted on removing that language, and the Browns gave in. This means the Patriots are giving up very little for Gordon, effectively draft capital equivalent to a sixth-round draft pick.

So for the Patriots, this is a low-risk, high-reward deal. If Gordon can’t get his act together, they can cut him and they’re out nothing more than having to move down on the third day of the draft. If Gordon can play at the high level he did in 2013, they’ve just added one of the most talented wide receivers in the NFL to their roster. It’s easy to see why the Patriots liked this deal. And given that this was the best deal the Browns could get, it’s apparent that the rest of the league doesn’t think Gordon is worth the trouble.

82 responses to “Report: Patriots get seventh-round pick with no conditions in Josh Gordon trade

  1. So giving up 40-50 spots on the Third Day of the Draft with a chance to field a talented deep threat with your team lacking options at WR? I think its a great move, obviously the catch is will Gordon screw up again?

  2. That’s an odd way of looking at it. They gave up a fifth… 7th rounders are basically the same as undrafted folk.

  3. For the Browns this trade at BEST garners them a bit more draft capital & at WORST makes mgt look like incompetent ninnies for dealing with The Hoodie, a gentleman of some reputation who — oh, by the way — used to be employed by the Browns.

    Thus, it seems incredibly easy to JUST SAY NO to the hooded bandit, but then they wouldn’t be the Browns, would they?

  4. Belichick was probably hammering out what he was going to do on this deal while Josh was doing his photo shoot.

  5. Gordon should take the fact that nobody else thought he was worth trading for personally, and work tirelessly to show the world he indeed can work hard, do his job, and carve out a role with a successful franchise. Yeah…that sounds like a plan. You go boyeeee!!!

  6. A key benefit of a 7th rounder is that a team gets rights to a “maybe” player and does not have to compete for them as an undrafted player – in which case the prospect may choose to sign with another team. The extra salary vs. undrafted is worth it if you have a good scouting staff.

  7. Trading a 5th for a 7th is WORST CASE SCENARIO…..
    Well worth the gamble….& if Josh actually holds it together & becomes the player he can be, then it’s the steal of the decade….. but that’s a HUGE “ IF”!!!!
    I just love how the Patriots keep us fans on the edge of our seats year after year…… WHAT A RIDE ITS BEEN!!!!
    Should be ANOTHER fun season for us!!!!
    LETS GO!!!!!!

  8. The Patriots 5th rounder is typically a 30th-32nd pick. So its almost a sixth rounder anyways. They really are not giving up much for Gordon.

  9. maybe you dont announce youre gonna release him before the trade and you’ll actually get value for him. they literally just gave this guy to new england. i hope they make the playoffs and reap what they sow in foxboro

  10. jxt2521 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 11:21 am
    That’s an odd way of looking at it. They gave up a fifth… 7th rounders are basically the same as undrafted folk.
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    Edelman was a 7th rounder……I see value there

  11. jxt2521 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 11:21 am
    That’s an odd way of looking at it. They gave up a fifth… 7th rounders are basically the same as undrafted folk.

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    Julian Edelman was a 7th round pick I think Marques Colston was too. There are players to be had in any round.

    And just to keep it in perspective, we’re talking about a likely low 5th round pick sent to the browns for a likely high 7th rounder so the gap isn’t as big as it seems.

  12. .
    It’s a great deal for the Patriots if he can stay clean. I have to think that this is his last opportunity.
    .

  13. The Pats traded a 5th rounder for Gordon AND a 7th? When will other GM’s learn not to trade with the Sith Lord?

  14. This is likely the best offer the Browns could get. They floated the “Gordon to be released” story last weekend to garner interest. Reportedly 8 to 10 teams called and Cleveland chose the Pats. I don’t fault the Browns if they just needed to move on, it was better than nothing. And Pats placed a low risk bet on a talent.

  15. Hence the reason Belichick said the deal was not yet completed at the Wednesday presser yesterday.

    Bill knows more than the media and pft posters do about what goes on with the Pats, funny eh?

  16. niyidelano says:
    September 20, 2018 at 11:19 am

    Landry was not traded to the Browns, he came in as a free agent.
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    He re-signed with the Browns for a big contract after the Browns traded a 4th and 7th to Miami for him.

    It’s important to know what you’re saying when you’re correcting a news story… just saying

  17. niyidelano says:

    September 20, 2018 at 11:19 am

    Landry was not traded to the Browns, he came in as a free agent.
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    I am afraid your are wrong….
    He was a restrictive free agent,,,,

    Browns acquired Jarvis Landry by trading a 2018 and 2019 pick to Dolphins.

    So that is what happened.

  18. kissbillsrings says:
    September 20, 2018 at 11:31 am
    jxt2521 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 11:21 am
    That’s an odd way of looking at it. They gave up a fifth… 7th rounders are basically the same as undrafted folk.
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    Edelman was a 7th rounder……I see value there

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    Ouch. And Tony Romo, James Harrison, Warren Moon, Antonio Gates and John Randall were un-drafted.

  19. Garbage in, garbage out. Low risk to the Pats but they are really reaching. Gordo has played what, 5 games since 2013 with off field activities devoted to addiction? Good luck with him. Character signing.

  20. I can’t believe the Seahawks didn’t bite at this price.

    They love giving away picks for potential. Even headaches. Percy Harvin, LITERAL and figurative headaches.

    And they have Russ. I mean.. talk about a Come to Jesus..

  21. Its amazing how good Belichick is. Every time I think I can start declaring him done he pulls off something. I call him a cheater because Im just frustrated, but he doesn’t cheat. He is just this good. Sigh. Maybe next year.

  22. Gordon is so much the anti-Belichick that this will never mesh. Bill most likely sizing up his next move at shoring up the offense.

  23. Patriot fans will learn what the Browns fans have known for a long time. Gordon can not be trusted, the minute you do, he will crash and burn. Good luck, hope he makes it. Glad he is gone.

  24. Patriots “get” a seventh round pick AND Josh Gordon. Wow…Cleveland must have really wanted to get rid of this guy.

  25. All that hoopla over Belichick’s demeanor, and it turns out not only is there a reasonable explanation, but it was about NOTHING. I give you the media’s obsession with the Patriots.

  26. searay18 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 12:04 pm
    Patriot fans will learn what the Browns fans have known for a long time. Gordon can not be trusted, the minute you do, he will crash and burn. Good luck, hope he makes it. Glad he is gone.

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    No offense, but are you honestly comparing the environment in Cleveland under Jimmy Haslam to the Pats organization?

    I mean, you cannot be serious.

  27. “Gordon is so much the anti-Belichick that this will never mesh”

    This is all up to Gordon. The Pats will give him an environment he can succeed in, the rest is up to him.

    I fully expect they have him housed at the hotel at Patriot Place just like they did with Michael Floyd. The food staff at the hotel and all the bars and restaurants in the complex will have his photo and know if they serve him alcohol they’re fired. He will not have access to weed and be a 3 minute walk from the stadium.

    He has to know if he fails with the Pats maybe a bottom feeder team will give him an opportunity at league minimum, but realistically this is his last substantial chance in the NFL

  28. sheetolay says:
    September 20, 2018 at 12:03 pm
    Gordon is so much the anti-Belichick that this will never mesh. Bill most likely sizing up his next move at shoring up the offense.

    1 1 Rate This

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    This will be 50/50.

    If Gordon himself admits he’s been enabled his whole life but has acknowledged that problem, what better way for him to finally get it, than to be in a very structured environment, with accountability?

  29. searay18 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 12:04 pm

    Patriot fans will learn what the Browns fans have known for a long time.
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    The difference is that if he doesn’t work out, the Patriots will just cut him, and move on to the next experiment. When your philosophy is to not pay all of these bozos millions of dollars, you can keep plugging guys in, and trying to get better.

  30. edukator44 says: “maybe you dont announce youre gonna release him before the trade and you’ll actually get value for him.”
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    WRONG. The announcement generated interest among 7-8 teams to create a small bidding war and a quick deadline scenario. With a artificial deadline, it forced GMs to make the “best” offer to go get him instead of waiting it out or lowballing.

  31. I take from the majority of comments to this post that few have actually followed the Josh Gordon saga. Remember your comments about Dorsey when Josh doesn’t finish out the season. It’s a very sad story. He will be cut soon because he will either be back in rehab or he will fail a drug test; and the next time he fails a drug test, the NFL will ban him for good.

  32. tylawspick6 says: “No offense, but are you honestly comparing the environment in Cleveland under Jimmy Haslam to the Pats organization?”
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    Pretty sure the “environment” has nothing to do with Gordon’s propensity for substance abuse during his personal time. It’s not like Aaron Hernandez straightened out his personal life once he got into the Pats organization.

  33. What a terrible, terrible trade for the Browns. Always someone else to blame for their failures besides themselves. What happens when they perform even worse without him? Yeah, this really solved so much for them!

    That the PATRIOTS of all teams swooped in and gladly took him immediately, should say something to you if you’re in the Browns front office.

  34. Funny how Belichick is robbing Cleveland according to the posters here. If Josh is still having addiction issues he may provide nothing to the Pats. It’s jusr as likely that Cleve just upgraded their draft pick for a piece of trash that’s no good to any team. We really won’t know till later but Cleveland is the only one in this deal with absolutely nothing to lose.

  35. akira1971 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 12:44 pm
    tylawspick6 says: “No offense, but are you honestly comparing the environment in Cleveland under Jimmy Haslam to the Pats organization?”
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    Pretty sure the “environment” has nothing to do with Gordon’s propensity for substance abuse during his personal time. It’s not like Aaron Hernandez straightened out his personal life once he got into the Pats organization.

    2 0 Rate This

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    I am sure it has SOMETTHING to do with it if he felt enabled by those at Baylor and the loose, god awful, miserable existence in Cleveland.

    Ask Jamnie Collins how much fun he is having. I know for a fact Pats players have commented that former Pats players losing elsewhere are not all that happy.

    MOney is fantastic, but they don’t like knowing they’re going to lose all the time.

  36. Pretty sure the “environment” has nothing to do with Gordon’s propensity for substance abuse during his personal time. It’s not like Aaron Hernandez straightened out his personal life once he got into the Pats organization.

    7 3 Rate This

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    Did Rae Carruth, Ray Lewis ot Javon Belcher straighten out theirs in Carolina, Baltimore or KC?

    What a mornic, nonsensical statement to pretend an outlier is the norm, but your jealousy of the Pats success, is absolutely delicious.

  37. Anyone who thinks that a 5th round pick and a seventh round pick effectively “average” to the value of a 6th round pick could only get a job working for Florio.

  38. Lest we not forget, the Patriots took Tom Brady with the 199th pick in the SIXTH ROUND! So if they just traded down from the fifth round to the seventh round, they might have just traded their way out of a future Tom Brady. (Which would be fine by me.)

  39. Commenting that so-and-so was a Xth round pick or was undrafted is completely irrelevant. No GM says, “well since Tom Brady was a sixth round pick, let’s swap our first rounder for your sixth rounder”. The earlier your draft pick is, the better chance you have at selecting a better player.

    That said, the difference between the Pats 5th rounder and the Jags/Steelers 7th rounder is 100% worth a flier on Josh Gordon, even though it isn’t worth “effectively the draft capital equivalent to a sixth rounder” as the article suggests.

    Late 5th round pick given up by Pats = between 27-31 points
    Late 7th round pick given up by Browns (via Jax/Pit) = between 3-5 points
    6th Round Pick = between 14-27 points

  40. I did read that Josh’s locker is right next to Brady like Moss’s was…. Good role model & if Brady feels the kid can focus & put the TEAM first, he’ll put in all the extra time he can with him to build trust & help him become the best PERSON he can become, both as a teammate & individual…..,
    Man I hope Josh wants this as bad as I want this to work!!!!
    Go Pats!!!!

  41. Browns got a 5th round pick for a player who’s played a total of 11 games in 7 years due to discipline issues. Unless Gordon becomes deathly allergic to drugs and alcohol and women between now and the end of the season the Browns did well for getting anything for him. The only reason he’s still in the league is the Browns have been a terrible team so they’ve been willing to put up with a lot more than most teams would. There’s guys out there who can’t get a job because of what position they’re in when a song plays meanwhile this dude has either failed a drug test or had a run in with the law every year going back to his college days and gets what feels like his 22nd chance.

    I hope the kid turns it around but that doesn’t change the fact that a team who needs playmakers has been hoarding a roster spot for a guy who was not dependable. Imagine what they could have gotten for him if they traded him years ago. Maybe they could have used it to trade up higher than the #22 spot in the first round and gotten a better QB without having to tank a season.

  42. tylawspick6 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 1:10 pm
    Pretty sure the “environment” has nothing to do with Gordon’s propensity for substance abuse during his personal time. It’s not like Aaron Hernandez straightened out his personal life once he got into the Pats organization.
    7 3 Rate This
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    Did Rae Carruth, Ray Lewis ot Javon Belcher straighten out theirs in Carolina, Baltimore or KC?
    What a mornic, nonsensical statement to pretend an outlier is the norm, but your jealousy of the Pats success, is absolutely delicious.

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    I didn’t know you were an expert on mental health and substance abuse. Pretending to do so is insulting to some and embarrassing for you. There were no red flags with Caruth and Belcher had mental health issues which are often a ticking time bomb that can go undiagnosed until it’s too late. Environment has a huge part of it obviously; That’s why rehabs exist, but to try to claim one NFL can provide a better mental health and sober environment than the other based on their record of winning football games is absolutely moronic and small minded. Yes, the pats have turned players around in the past, but they had a different set of problems altogether. The demons of addiction never rest. Please drop the know-it-all routine when its a subject you know nothing about.

  43. sheetolay says:
    September 20, 2018 at 12:03 pm
    Gordon is so much the anti-Belichick that this will never mesh. Bill most likely sizing up his next move at shoring up the offense.

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    Not true at all… Belichick, Brady and Kraft can get through to guys like this because they actually care.

  44. Many on here have never been around people with substance abuse issues. That’s pretty clear. He will not be accountable to anything but his vice. Trust that.

  45. Josh Gordon needs a team that can make players disappear when it’s drug testing time. Just like they made the air disappear from those game balls, when they made Brady’s phone disappear when the NFL started investigating, and when they made the Spygate footage disappear.

  46. I am trying to do the odds (i wonder if the book at the Mirage would the action)

    Gordon kills it with the Pats, sets New personal HIGH for TDs (the second coming of Randy Moss) (-280)

    Gorden failed another drug test or worse gets busted by the Mass State Police, gets cut (+240)

    Gorden gets “hurt” never get on the field, BB cuts him (+150)

    Gordon is done physically or, cant figure out the offense, plays very little. (even)

    My money is on even

  47. jxt2521 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 11:21 am

    That’s an odd way of looking at it. They gave up a fifth… 7th rounders are basically the same as undrafted folk.
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    Talk about an odd way of looking at things. 7th rounders aren’t equivalent to undrafted players, they are the guys favored by NFL teams over every single undrafted player, indicating that they are thought of more highly and are thus more valuable.

    Is this really that complicated?

  48. Lets see all the BB is a genius threads, but if he went to the raiders it would be weeks of Gruden is a moron threads.

  49. aarons444 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 11:24 am
    Why do teams take calls from Belichick?

    Ignore, 362 days a year.

    You can’t win.

    You’ll simply never win.

    Idiots.

    Wow they must have made that deal in the other 3 days of the year!!

  50. don’t think the swap of draft choice matters much … my understanding is that the Patriots 2019 draft picks include, their 1st round pick, (2) second round picks, (3) third round picks, a 4th round pick, a 6th and (4) 7th round picks … ie., that’s a lot of capital.

  51. PATS NATION WELCOMES YOU JOSH!!

    What size ring do you wear???????

    Suck it Haterzzzzz! BLITZ FOR SIX

  52. williamshatnerstoupee says:
    September 20, 2018 at 2:16 pm

    law gets owned. Again.
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    This is where he signs in under his other accounts to downvote anything said against him

  53. A 5th – a 7th isn’t basically a 6th according to the Draft Value chart….although a Patriots 5th and a Bears 7th might be, the last pick in the 5th (#174) is worth 21.4, and the 1st pick in the 7th (#219) is worth 3.4….so at a minimum you have a value of 18…which is about 6th round pick 182. The Max value would be 1st 5th (#138) value of 36.5 – last 7th value of 1…for 35.5 value..basically the 4th pick of the 5th round (#141).

    A 7th round pick has almost no value besides the fact that you don’t have to fight to sign them as a priority UDFA…but I imagine just about any undrafted player would take the Patriots offer.

  54. drunkraider says:
    September 20, 2018 at 1:55 pm
    Lets see all the BB is a genius threads, but if he went to the raiders it would be weeks of Gruden is a moron threads.
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    Well…to be fair…Gruden is a moron sooooo…..

  55. The odds of him changing his off the field issues are hard to over come, however, this may be his last stand. Bill

  56. This is so frustrating…..a stud wide receiver that the Patriots could really use with so any personal demons to overcome…..
    I’d love to see him make it but I’m very sceptical & it kills me to have to say that…..Josh is personally going to have to WANT to succeed & tow the line & unfortunately that may be too much for him to handle…..
    I honestly have no idea how much coddling/patience Bill & Brady may have for him…. my guess is very little, although it also depends on how much THEY want this to work out for the team…..
    Exciting times….. let’s hope for the best!!!
    Go Josh & Go Pats!!!!

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