Unnamed assistant says Patriots coaches think they could win without Tom Brady

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If Patriots quarterback Tom Brady contemplated a divorce from Patriots coach Bill Belichick, Belichick may have contemplated a divorce from Brady.

The new book from Ian O’Connor regarding the long-time Patriots coach contains a potentially inflammatory quote from an unnamed assistant coach regarding Brady and the team’s ability to win without him.

“[If] you gave us any of the top 15 [quarterbacks in the NFL], we could do it,” the unnamed assistant coach told O’Connor. “I don’t think the coaches view Tom as special as everyone else in football does. [Owner Robert Kraft] thinks Tom is the greatest gift ever, but the coaches don’t.”

If that’s the case, then why did Belichick flatly reject a request from 49ers G.M. John Lynch to trade for Brady last year, sending instead Jimmy Garoppolo to San Francisco? Maybe Belichick knew Kraft wouldn’t have allowed it. But if that’s the way the coach feels, he should have been spending plenty of time over the years pushing back at the owner’s belief that the team’s success flows directly and in some respects exclusively from the presence of Brady.

Bottom line: If the coaching staff truly believed what the unnamed assistant said (and I don’t doubt that the unnamed assistant said it), they had a chance to put their money where the unnamed assistant’s mouth is, and they didn’t. Regardless, Brady may now be putting his fist and/or foot in the unnamed assistant’s mouth, if Brady can ever figure out who it is.

105 responses to “Unnamed assistant says Patriots coaches think they could win without Tom Brady

  1. Let us make up a story,then write a book. Unknown sources

    So I make up lies and try and bring down a dynasty. Remember Deflategate

    which Mortanson pushed and they found his source to be wrong.

    Suck it up people a couple of years and they will both be gone.I

    know from an unknown source

  2. Of course they could. But without Bill? I doubt it. Take a look at the Rams, what’s their window for success? I’d argue this year and next year. They have a lot of young stars that are getting huge new contracts and their success will lead to lower draft picks. They’ll have Donald, Goff, Gurley, and Cooks, then a bunch of minimum wage guys. That’s not a winking team.

  3. Newsflash. They could. Not saying they could win 5 with any old QB. But a couple at least with an above avg QB.

    Truly believe that if you swap Manning’s & Brady’s teams/coaches all those years they’d have more rings & Brady might not have any. Brady is very good, but he got lucky to be in the perfect system that matches his strengths & stay in it the same system for 19 years.

    We may not ever see them without each other though. But it would be nice to see what they do without each other.

  4. Kraft wants a relationship with Tom and Gisele after his playing days are over. It’s the Billionaires Club. Parties, fashion shows, yachts. And that comes before football.

  5. They will get their chance to prove this in about 3 years. It also begs the question if they think this guy is a system QB then why wouldn’t all teams be looking for a system QB? The reality is there are only about 15 guys on the planet who can get a team to the SB and actually win it.

  6. One thing for sure, the Patriots are the most interesting team in the world. Why else would so many be so obsessed? I guess greatness just draws them like moths to a flame.

  7. Or maybe we shouldn’t take every single “anonymous” comment as gospel truth. Everyone hates the Patriots and wants them to fail, thus all the stories about how they are falling apart. Yet they shrug it off and keep going. Even if they do have minor issues, who doesn’t after 18 years. Yet the foundation of a good relationship is the ability to put those issues aside and move forward.

    5 Super bowls say they have done just that, and all these comments are just willful media hype.

  8. Everyone knows, including the PEDtriots, that Brady is the ultimate system QB. Any and every QB has looked good when propped up by Billy’s system. It’s really simple..slant, out, dump to the flats, get a phantom DPI or defensive holding on 3rd down. Anyone could succeed in that kind of system.

  9. Man… this book was written with the same info everyone in the press had last year. it’s nonsense.

    Of course the coaches think they could win without Brady… They are right they could win some games. They have done it. But winning it all. Doubt it. They didn’t make the playoffs with Cassel but won 11 games (Brady won 16 with that team). Then they won a few games with Jimmy and Brissett, but Jimmy went down after a game and a half.

    It’s nice to think you could win it all without Brady, but it is just like the 49ers winning without Montana. They were right they could do it, but only once. It wasn’t quite the dynasty they had with Joe.

  10. Logically, it should have been Brady who went to the 49ers last year so the Patriots could have moved forward with Garoppolo. It seems sensible to think that the coaches would have supported that but clearly the owner does not. However, for a coach not to acknowledge that Brady has shown skills that few other QBs have had in big-game situations seems rather absurd. The question is now much much of that remains.

  11. Unnamed, anonymous, not identified, confidential source, secret source. Anonymous always has the juiciest most salacious stuff. If we didn’t have them we wouldn’t have best-selling books or newspapers that aren’t worth lining your litter box with or allowing the haters to fantasize an alternative reality. You can print or say anything you want when the source is anonymous.

  12. Well, of course, they have won with JimmyG, Jacoby Brissett and most famously went 11-5 with Matt Cassell (only missing the div title that year, and playoffs, by a 3rd/4th tie breaker). And the Pats culture makes everyone accountable, so Brady gets ripped as much as anyone else and this engenders a sense of no-one’s mistake-free, no-one’s indispensible, do your job… But this is a book from ESPN (Exceptionally Smearing Patriots Neverending) all built on an un-named “source”, to suck dough out of Patriot Hater. Could Pats win a game without Brady? Yeah, we’ve seen it, but they wouldn’t have gotten to 8 SBs in 16yrs.

  13. They have proven they can win games without him. I will admit that, but I don’t believe they have long term success without him. I’m not sure they go to as many Super Bowls, win as many, or even go to any. If they believe they can win without him, then they should have no problem getting his replacement. If all they need is a top 15 QB, it shouldn’t be that hard to fine one after Brady is done and continue the success they have. I think Belichick is a great coach and the combo of him and Brady is what makes their dynasty work, but I noticed Belichick didn’t have system until Brady stared playing. The system didn’t work in Cleveland and it didn’t work with Bledsoe. It wasn’t until Brady started playing and I think you could say Brady is the system. Cassel and Garoppolo got to sit behind and learn from Brady. Now I don’t mean to give Brady all/too much credit, because Belichick is a great coach and his defenses have been good. He puts it all together and manages it, but this source is BS.

  14. “[If] you gave us any of the top 15 [quarterbacks in the NFL], we could do it,” the unnamed assistant coach told O’Connor. “I don’t think the coaches view Tom as special as everyone else in football does. [Owner Robert Kraft] thinks Tom is the greatest gift ever, but the coaches don’t.”

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    when Belichick himself says those words, then we have an issue.

    that someone else, unnamed of course, said it (he/she wasn’t quoting Belichick) and “thinks” what the other coaches all feel about Brady…shows it’s just an opinion.

  15. What makes me think that Tom Brady will do everything in his power to find out who this assistant is and that he is fired? He just seems that petty.

  16. As an anti-Pats fan i was glad as anything when they traded Garoppolo, last thing i would have wanted was to see the Pats win for another decade once Brady moves on. Should have traded Brady and kept Garappolo – the 49ers had a tough decision back in the early 90’s and traded Montana when Young was ready to take over

  17. LOL…… it’s a story from an BSPN REPORTER…. ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER!!!!!
    The mouth breathers will eat it up & buy the book…..MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!! LOL

  18. this is an example of why the Pats are the most hated team probably in all of professional sports, what arrogance.

    sorry to tell you Pats fans but you will have problems winning with or without Brady this season, teams have caught on and you are an old team.

  19. sorry to tell you Pats fans but you will have problems winning with or without Brady this season, teams have caught on and you are an old team

    Really “teams have caught on” it only took 18 years

    So stupid

    I remember at the start of last season some guy on here saying the same crap. “It’s over this season “ blah blah blah.

    The will be making another SB run , sorry Max K “the cliff “ isn’t here yet.

    By November you won’t be seeing these comments anymore

  20. As long as every OL is allowed to hold every play, they get phantom PI calls to extend failed drives, opponents TDs are blown dead mid play, opponents TDs are reversed after breaking the plane with the ball etc etc etc then sure.

    Any time the NFL and Vegas don’t order the refs to give NE the game they can’t beat the likes of Blake Bortles or Nick Foles, even with Brady.

    No wonder Brady wants out, he’s ashamed of the legacy of being on a cheating team that needs the refs just to beat mediocre QBs.

  21. More and more, this sounds like clickbait. My guess is that the coaches believe they would be “fine” with any top 15 QB, but still lose plenty without Brady, and that was distorted by this “source” to mean that they don’t think Brady is anything special. You can tell clickbait for what it is because it becomes contradictory and/or belies the actual reality of how the team has acted in recent years.

  22. Without Tom Brady, the Pats lose last year’s SB by 30 and likely don’t even get past the Jags. Without Tom Brady, the Pats don’t beat Seattle or come back from 28-3 to beat Atlanta. This is the biggest joke of an article I have seen. BB is on record calling Brady the greatest of all time, as is 99% of the football world.

  23. When Brady went down the Patriots did OK with Matt Cassel.
    I think that Belichick is a great coach and could do ok with a different QB.
    Now having said that, an adequate QB in the right system can get you to the playoffs, but to win the super bowl you need more than that, unless the rest of your team is very strong.

  24. yooperman says:
    September 20, 2018 at 6:35 am
    This is true, as long as they don’t lose their filming crew.

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    Good one. Brady and the Pats could tell your team what plays they are going to run and your team still would lose

  25. Is this the same as denver saying “we can win with..fill in the blanks”???Or when Minnesota traded for bradford??Or the colts saying we got luck??Or when they say “anyone can play behind that oline???Or is it different?

  26. Arrogance is denver,colts,cowboys and countless other teams that have 1 or 2 good seasons and think they are a winning team….name the last season the Patriots had a losing season.

  27. This ESPN stooge has no sources. At firs I thought this was a legit biography, but asfter seeing these fake snippets of info, I realized it’s an ESPN piece.

    They literally lie or imagine things on top of half truths.

  28. Unnamed guy says something about amorphous situation. Patriots have a competent guy executing a well Krafted scheme. Eventually the guy will age. New guy will fail or succeed. Nothing to see here.

  29. PS bashing your former backup who became a star QB is what the Redskins did to Kirk Cousins. Belichick is smarter than that. I think Belichick loves Brady other than the kooky new age alternative medicine quackery Tom touts.

  30. Brady is Second all-time and fourth-quarter comeback’s including two of the most spectacular come backs of the Super Bowl’s.

    Typically in fourth-quarter Comebacks the defense knows the quarterback is going to be passing the ball every time.

    In these cases it’s all about the quarterback not coaching

  31. 345snarkavenue says:
    September 20, 2018 at 7:41 am
    “[If] you gave us any of the top 15 [quarterbacks in the NFL], we could do it,” the unnamed assistant coach told O’Connor. “I don’t think the coaches view Tom as special as everyone else in football does. [Owner Robert Kraft] thinks Tom is the greatest gift ever, but the coaches don’t.”

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    when Belichick himself says those words, then we have an issue.

    that someone else, unnamed of course, said it (he/she wasn’t quoting Belichick) and “thinks” what the other coaches all feel about Brady…shows it’s just an opinion.

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    I think this simply comes from the idea that BB was making sure he had his butt covered and lighting a fire under casual postseason Brady from 2007-2012.

    When BB drafted JimmyG, it did numerous things, and I do not care if Brady felt threatened. It woke him up to play better in the postseason.

    Do I think BB could win 10 games a year with a top 10 QB? Yes. Do I think that QB would have the wildcard skills Brady has, being the ultimate equalizer, and win maybe 2 games a year that are really because of Brady? No.

  32. mikespillane337 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 8:41 am
    Arrogance is denver,colts,cowboys and countless other teams that have 1 or 2 good seasons and think they are a winning team….name the last season the Patriots had a losing season.

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    Name a time where BB had the Pats in cap hell or rebuilding? It’s never happened.

  33. coolzog says:
    September 20, 2018 at 8:32 am
    As an impartial fan, they wouldn’t have 1 superbowl, let alone be 5-3 in Superbowls without Brady.

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    Of course they would.

    Did you see 2001?

    Brady owes his entire career to BB. Same with Malcom Butler. Who do you think coached him up and had him practicing that play?

    The list goes on and on and on…There’s a reason why players look better in NE than elsewhere.

    His name is Bill Belichick.

  34. bullcharger says:
    September 20, 2018 at 7:35 am
    Man… this book was written with the same info everyone in the press had last year. it’s nonsense.

    Of course the coaches think they could win without Brady… They are right they could win some games. They have done it. But winning it all. Doubt it. They didn’t make the playoffs with Cassel but won 11 games (Brady won 16 with that team). Then they won a few games with Jimmy and Brissett, but Jimmy went down after a game and a half.

    It’s nice to think you could win it all without Brady, but it is just like the 49ers winning without Montana. They were right they could do it, but only once. It wasn’t quite the dynasty they had with Joe.

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    Probably a good comparison. But, I think JimmyG was groomed for 10+ wins a year in NE, though.

    Maybe 2 rings.

    Something like that.

  35. I wrote my Master’s thesis on counterfactuals in history, so let’s look at the conditions of this statement. According to NFL.com, the top 15 QBs going into 2018 were: Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Brees, Wentz, Wilson, Ryan, Newton, Stafford, Luck (?), Rivers, Garoppolo, Cousins, Winston and Prescott.
    Clearly with the first 3 (excluding Brady), you’ve got SB winners, the best arguably at their positions. Its only after that with the possible exclusion of Russell Wilson that the thought experiment starts to falter. Is it conceivable that any of the last 10 QBs could have success in Foxboro? Of course not. However, is it conceivable that any of the remaining QBs could put a team on his back as Brady did against Atlanta in SB 51 or go out and throw the game of his life in a losing effort in SB 52?
    This is the glory of a counterfactual argument as you will equate what you can to make all things balance so that you can attempt to construct the most plausible scenario, rather than simply stating “then a miracle happens…”
    Full disclosure, I am a Patriots fan and have been so since Steve “crazy legs” Grogan was running for his life on a 2-14 club. That having been said, I have to look at the statement and argue against it since I have a very difficult time believing that Kirk Cousins or Matthew Stafford could do what a 40 year old did in last year’s championship.
    Then again, I could be wrong, but when engaging in what if scenarios, there is simply no way to certain, now is there?

  36. Well, they have won without him. But come on, any good team could win with a top 15 QB. Because they do. But can they get to 8 SBs and win 5? Pretty sure not. I don’t know if TB12 is the GOAT, but you can’t have that convo and exclude him from it.

  37. I have no doubt the Patriots could win without Brady. They have – just look back on the Matt Cassel year. Even to a limited extent Garropolo and Brissett. I do, however, doubt that they could win it all without him (unless it was with another top tier QB). I don’t like him or the Patriots, but you have to admit he is (and they are) good.

    And, I don’t doubt an assistant coach thinks that way. Do you really want a coach to say that they couldn’t win without TB. What does that say about the coaching staff. Now if he said they could plug in just about anyone else off the street (cue Nathan Peterman) . . .

  38. coolzog says:
    September 20, 2018 at 8:32 am
    As an impartial fan, they wouldn’t have 1 superbowl, let alone be 5-3 in Superbowls without Brady.
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    I think it depends what we mean by “without Brady”.

    Brady is GOAT but I think the Patriots could win a title with a healthy Aaron Rodgers. Belichick no doubt would tailor the offense and roster to try and make it happen and it would look a bit different than it looks now.

    If by without Brady you mean a guy like Curtis Painter like the Colts had when Manning was out for the year – I doubt they are a playoff team.

  39. dirtdawg53 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 9:16 am
    Well, they have won without him. But come on, any good team could win with a top 15 QB. Because they do. But can they get to 8 SBs and win 5? Pretty sure not. I don’t know if TB12 is the GOAT, but you can’t have that convo and exclude him from it.

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    Yes and ever notice the Dilfers, B-Johnsons and Williams of the league can go to and win one Super Bowl but they never win more than that? 🙂 There’s a good reason why they never go to 8 Super Bowls and win 5.

  40. Patrick says:
    September 20, 2018 at 8:07 am
    As long as every OL is allowed to hold every play, they get phantom PI calls to extend failed drives, opponents TDs are blown dead mid play, opponents TDs are reversed after breaking the plane with the ball etc etc etc then sure.
    Any time the NFL and Vegas don’t order the refs to give NE the game they can’t beat the likes of Blake Bortles or Nick Foles, even with Brady.
    No wonder Brady wants out, he’s ashamed of the legacy of being on a cheating team that needs the refs just to beat mediocre QBs.

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    Tee hee 🙂 Still so whiny and frustrated.

    Tee hee 🙂

  41. rogobrothers says:
    September 20, 2018 at 7:15 am
    They will get their chance to prove this in about 3 years. It also begs the question if they think this guy is a system QB then why wouldn’t all teams be looking for a system QB? The reality is there are only about 15 guys on the planet who can get a team to the SB and actually win it.

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    Yup, plus there is actually no such thing as a system QB sticking at the NFL level. Only in college.

    Tebow was a system QB and so was Manziel. Where are they now?

  42. savethebs says:
    September 20, 2018 at 6:50 am
    Newsflash. They could. Not saying they could win 5 with any old QB. But a couple at least with an above avg QB.
    Truly believe that if you swap Manning’s & Brady’s teams/coaches all those years they’d have more rings & Brady might not have any. Brady is very good, but he got lucky to be in the perfect system that matches his strengths & stay in it the same system for 19 years.
    We may not ever see them without each other though. But it would be nice to see what they do without each other.
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    I always think it’s funny that any criticism of Brady’s game is using logic that’s stuck back in 2002. 🙂

  43. secrocks says:
    September 20, 2018 at 9:20 am
    I have no doubt the Patriots could win without Brady. They have – just look back on the Matt Cassel year. Even to a limited extent Garropolo and Brissett. I do, however, doubt that they could win it all without him (unless it was with another top tier QB). I don’t like him or the Patriots, but you have to admit he is (and they are) good.
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    The Patriots were 5-13 in the Belichick era before Brady got his first start, and then 14-6 after that without Brady as a starter. However 14-6 is a 20 game sample size and it in no way represents a 18 year sample size. It ain’t rocket science folks. 🙂

  44. GoodellMustGo says:
    September 20, 2018 at 9:38 am
    secrocks says:
    September 20, 2018 at 9:20 am
    I have no doubt the Patriots could win without Brady. They have – just look back on the Matt Cassel year. Even to a limited extent Garropolo and Brissett. I do, however, doubt that they could win it all without him (unless it was with another top tier QB). I don’t like him or the Patriots, but you have to admit he is (and they are) good.
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    The Patriots were 5-13 in the Belichick era before Brady got his first start, and then 14-6 after that without Brady as a starter. However 14-6 is a 20 game sample size and it in no way represents a 18 year sample size. It ain’t rocket science folks. 🙂

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    Who drafted Brady? Who groomed him and trained him?

    BB.

    When you have the greatest defensive mind ever in a film room with you telling you the secrets to the test, it’s an enormous benefit.

    BB wanted his own Phil Simms. He got it and then some. But, Brady was not a star out of college. He was a 6th rd pick.

    And, we’ve seen how destroyed a QB can get in this league with horrible ownership and GM work in cap hells, etc.

  45. Probably a good comparison. But, I think JimmyG was groomed for 10+ wins a year in NE, though.

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    I think the team started to sour on Jimmy when he pulled himself out of the Buffalo game forcing a hobbled Brissett to start with predictable results. Major durability questions.

    Compared to Brady who other than the knee injury has stayed healthy and is tough as nails.

  46. GoodellMustGo says:
    September 20, 2018 at 9:24 am
    coolzog says:
    September 20, 2018 at 8:32 am
    As an impartial fan, they wouldn’t have 1 superbowl, let alone be 5-3 in Superbowls without Brady.
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    I think it depends what we mean by “without Brady”.

    Brady is GOAT but I think the Patriots could win a title with a healthy Aaron Rodgers. Belichick no doubt would tailor the offense and roster to try and make it happen and it would look a bit different than it looks now.

    If by without Brady you mean a guy like Curtis Painter like the Colts had when Manning was out for the year – I doubt they are a playoff team.

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    Of course.

    Brees and Rodgers would have multiple rings with BB as the GM and Coach. It’s so simple.

    The cap is the thing that has ruined their chances, will Brady has benefitting from BB’s brilliant understanding of how to allocate what salaries where on the roster based on the market.

    Brady would in no way shape or form been as great elsewhere. No way.

  47. 15 years with a very good QB instead of 2 years with a great QB

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    steelerdynasty2010 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 7:54 am
    why in the actual hell would they trade TB instead of Jimmy?

  48. Who drafted Brady? Who groomed him and trained him?
    BB.
    When you have the greatest defensive mind ever in a film room with you telling you the secrets to the test, it’s an enormous benefit.
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    Very true.

    But there have been instances where that advantage hasn’t worked out either. See Tebow, Tim.

  49. GoodellMustGo says:
    September 20, 2018 at 9:46 am
    Probably a good comparison. But, I think JimmyG was groomed for 10+ wins a year in NE, though.

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    I think the team started to sour on Jimmy when he pulled himself out of the Buffalo game forcing a hobbled Brissett to start with predictable results. Major durability questions.

    Compared to Brady who other than the knee injury has stayed healthy and is tough as nails.

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    While Brady is tought, something he gets zero credit for, which is ridiculous, that’s a silly statement on JimmYG.

    We have no idea if he can play through a minor, nagging injury or not.

  50. The Patriots were 5-13 in the Belichick era before Brady got his first start, and then 14-6 after that without Brady as a starter. However 14-6 is a 20 game sample size and it in no way represents a 18 year sample size. It ain’t rocket science folks. 🙂

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    Right. With overpaid, cemenet shoes and out of place Bledsoe.

    Bledsoe is a HOF QB in any other era pre 1990s/2000s.

    He had cement shoes like Unitas. Great arm, good passes, etc, but he couldn’t move in the pocket.

    BB knew this and wanted a guy who could see the game before the snap and have good feet.

    BB inherited a mess in Cleveland with Kosar with the same exact problem and he also inherited a mess from Carroll in NE in 2000 with exact same issues.

  51. This is crazy talk. I thought this whole time every team has a system. Most QB’s hold onto the ball to Long, with no internal clock. Montana played in a system that was newly invented no one knew how to stop it. Does that make Joe a system QB? No it does not it just makes him the master of the system.

  52. tylawspick6 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 8:57 am

    “casual postseason Brady from 2007-2012.”

    “When you have the greatest defensive mind ever in a film room with you telling you the secrets to the test, it’s an enormous benefit.”
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    That’s pretty laughable- “casual Brady”- How about Bill’s “casual” Defenses Bill has been putting out the last 8-9 years.

    Bill’s “defensive genius” hasn’t showed itself since- what maybe 2008ish. No pass rush in 4-5 years now, can’t stop runs up the middle, can’t set an edge, can’t tackle- and Bill has shown NO ability to get any sort of defense/defensive scheme to beat even a mobile QB.

    Why do the Pats D struggle early season year after year, yet Jacksonville, Bears, Panthers, etc. teams defenses play well right off with mediocre coaches. Heck Green Bays defense is twice as good as ours.

    No Brady- no last 3 S.B. appearances.

    Bill has been great managing the cap, but absolutely awful acquiring talent, especially since Brady has never pushed the big money angle.

  53. Belichick has gone on record saying that there is no quarterback he would rather have than Tom Brady. This garbage is designed, and released with timing, that’s very similar to what we see everyday in the mainstream media as they try to sabotage the current Administration regardless of the effect it has on the country. Some people have no shame. It’s a disgrace.

  54. canetic says:
    September 20, 2018 at 7:22 am
    The Patriots would be 0-16 without Brady. He makes up for a lot of weaknesses on that team.
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    Just off the top of my head, (going back to 2001) I think the Patriots are 15-6 since the Brady era when he’s not playing. 15-6 is not 0-16!

    Just sayin’…

  55. tylawspick6 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 9:44 am

    And, we’ve seen how destroyed a QB can get in this league with horrible ownership and GM work in cap hells, etc.

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    Very true. In the long standing debate of who matters most to the dynasty I think it’s clear that it’s a complex mix of Kraft, Belichick and Brady that has been the core. Hard to think they could have obtained close to this level of success without all three parts.

    If Kraft hadn’t of worked with the Tuna then he would never have hired BB and let him run the whole football operation. If BB hadn’t of groomed Tom, he wouldn’t be Tom. If Belichick didn’t have the failed experience of CLE he wouldn’t have been able to succeed in NE. If Brady didn’t have the talent and work ethic the team would have never won in 2001 and Bledsoe would have been the QB of the future.

    It’s impossible to point to one reason why they have had such a great run of success, but you can point to three.

  56. I disagree. Brady is able to read the defense quickly and get rid of the ball before getting sacked. He hasn’t had the best WRs (usually) but he’s so smart. He may not be physically talented but you can’t measure the ability to read defenses and know where the open man will be. He’s like Peyton Manning and Joe Montana.

    Also they said give them any other top-15 QB and they could be just as successful. You don’t just get a top-15 QB out of thin air. If the coaches really think that then they are delusional.

  57. tylawspick6 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 9:49 am
    GoodellMustGo says:
    September 20, 2018 at 9:46 am
    Probably a good comparison. But, I think JimmyG was groomed for 10+ wins a year in NE, though.
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    I think the team started to sour on Jimmy when he pulled himself out of the Buffalo game forcing a hobbled Brissett to start with predictable results. Major durability questions.
    Compared to Brady who other than the knee injury has stayed healthy and is tough as nails.
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    While Brady is tought, something he gets zero credit for, which is ridiculous, that’s a silly statement on JimmYG.
    We have no idea if he can play through a minor, nagging injury or not.

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    Reports (WEEI I think) were the team was displeased that he had to back out of the Bills game as he gave them the impression he could go.

    Brady himself wouldn’t do that IMO.

  58. More logs for the fire that burns deep inside belichick and company!just keep proving all the naysayers wrong like the past 18 years.

  59. Might win ten games but you’re not snagging the bye,goimg to EIGHT super bowls and winning FIVE without someone named Tom or maybe Aaron (though he’s not as consistently on the field.)

    Dopes. We’re going to miss Brady when he’s gone and that includes Bill and his cronies.

  60. ESPN, Ian O’Connor, unnamed sources – haven’t we all been on this train before?

    It’s almost like there’s a financial incentive to making up this nonsense….

  61. Brady is the most accomplished qb ever.
    Belichick is the most accomplished coach ever.

    Belichick has success as an assistant, without TB.
    Brady has no data without BB.

    In the attempt to divide and assign credit for their shared success, it’s hard to argue that they are both a part of each other’s greatness.

    There is no way to decide definitively with proof one way or the other.

    If Brady retires or leaves and we get to see Bill without Tom, that will be an interesting experiment. No doubt though, Tom as helped build the patriots machine into what it is, and that will be an asset to Bill after Brady is gone. Bill could also always hold on to the fact that he had his succession plan ready to roll, and the owner/pressure by Tom took that away from him.

    Seems like an interesting debate that will never really be settled by evidence. Sad, but also gives the debate a chance to really explode in a way that it couldn’t if there was clear evidence pointing to one perspective on this topic.

  62. blah blah blah , who cares ?? some idiot selling a book , and what NFL team doesn’t operate under a system ??? absolutely none ..what do they operate under then ?? make it up as you go ??? yeah right ,stupid people talking , What a stupid ridiculous saying ..

  63. harveyredman says:
    September 20, 2018 at 10:56 am
    canetic says:
    September 20, 2018 at 7:22 am
    The Patriots would be 0-16 without Brady. He makes up for a lot of weaknesses on that team.
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    Just off the top of my head, (going back to 2001) I think the Patriots are 15-6 since the Brady era when he’s not playing. 15-6 is not 0-16!

    Just sayin’…

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    Matt Kassel went 11-5 with the SAME team that when 16-0 the year before with the easiest schedule ever played for a team previously in the Super Bowl. I could have lead that team to a 8-8 win season. Brady would have been undefeated in 2008 and won the Super Bowl, no doubt about it.

  64. Lol. Another unnamed source. Got any named ones?

    I actually do think Belichick could put together a strong roster without Brady. Easily a playoff team and pretty sure a deeper round contender, maybe even get to the big game a couple times. But to go to 8 superbowls in 16 years and to win 5 of those is insane, for it to be a stretch like that he still needs someone like Brady to ice the cake.

    I know my screen name is fake but I’m still being more open than that guy’s sources.

  65. jhein23 says:
    September 20, 2018 at 7:42 am

    What makes me think that Tom Brady will do everything in his power to find out who this assistant is and that he is fired? He just seems that petty.

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    Tom Brady is many things, some good, some bad, and certainly arrogant when it comes to football. But he ain’t petty. That’s your bias projecting delusional traits on the guy to justify why you don’t like him.

  66. GoodellMustGo says:
    September 20, 2018 at 11:45 am

    Reports (WEEI I think) were the team was displeased that he had to back out of the Bills game as he gave them the impression he could go.

    Brady himself wouldn’t do that IMHO

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    But doesnt WEEI like to go on and on saying Brady got Kraft to force Belichick into trading JG against his wishes? And the WEEI guys like to talk about it being a mistake thats undoing the Pats? They even say that Belichick threw the SB just to teach everyone a lesson. They say this stuff a lot.

    Frankly WEEI says a lot of things, I dont even think they keep track from one minute to the next.

  67. “BB knew this and wanted a guy who could see the game before the snap and have good feet.

    BB inherited a mess in Cleveland with Kosar with the same exact problem and he also inherited a mess from Carroll in NE in 2000 with exact same issues.”

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    While I do agree with this statement, Brady was nothing impressive in the pocket except for the last few years. After he tore his ACL, he made a concerted effort to improve his pocket mobility and made a notable leap the last three to four years (judging by my memory of watching him). Like the Mannings and Brees of the world, Brady is still smart enough to know when to go down and take a sack, but unlike those guys, he actually improved his pocket presence drastically the last few years. That’s a HUGE testament to his ability as a QB-adding completely new skillsets is hard enough at any age as a player, but to do so at his age (when Manning’s body was, by comparison, breaking down completely) is utterly impressive.

    Some of the good-to-great QBs we’ve seen have notably had this skillset and at the same time NOT been scramblers-Tony Romo, Philip Rivers, and Ben Roethlisberger come to mind-but that’s an ability that they were observed to have from the start. Brady never did, until he noticed that it was a weakness in his game, and he worked to improve it. Usually, you’ll have a guy who is limited to one of a few things-strong arm, or mobile threat, or intuitive reading defenses, or what not. Rarely do you have someone who can do it all, and never at his entrance into the league. Now, at age 40 and beyond, Brady’s one of the most mobile QBs (in the pocket, of course) even if he is not a threat running the ball. No matter how you spin it, that takes skill and determination at the very least.

  68. buffalorealist says:
    September 20, 2018 at 7:15 am
    You put an extra mic in any QBs helmet and he will have as much success as Brady.

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    Oh look, a new theory from a Bills fan who cant just accept that the Bills have been crap for 20 years.

  69. Any and every QB has looked good when propped up by Billy’s system. It’s really simple..slant, out, dump to the flats, get a phantom DPI or defensive holding on 3rd down. Anyone could succeed in that kind of system.

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    So simple, yet no has been able to find a way to defend it for 20 years? You really going with that?

  70. Did Matt Patricia or Bill OBrien say that?

    How’s that working out?

    Seriously though, you can also win WITH Brady so why wouldn’t you add to the lagacy of your franchise wih him?

    Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Kraft is a fan too, not just a cold hearted owner.

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