William Hayes tore ACL trying to avoid roughing penalty

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William Hayes‘ tore his anterior cruciate ligament while trying to adhere to the new roughing the passer rules. Hayes sacked Derek Carr on third down, but in attempting to avoid landing with his body weight on the Raiders quarterback, Hayes’ right leg got caught as he tried to roll over Carr.

Hayes immediately grabbed his right knee.

“He was trying to not put body weight on the quarterback,” Dolphins coach Adam Gase said Monday, via Cameron Wolfe of ESPN. “His foot got caught in the ground.”

Gase would not directly blame the rule for Hayes’ injury when asked a followup.

“I’m just telling you what happened,” Gase said. “. . . I’m just telling you what he did.”

The irony is obvious, though. The league’s attempts to protect the quarterback have cost the Dolphins a defensive end for the season.

49ers cornerback Richard Sherman tweeted about Hayes’ injury, saying the NFL only cares about the health of its quarterbacks.

Hayes made four tackles and two sacks this season. His hit on Marcus Mariota in Week Two injured the Titans quarterback, but Hayes was not penalized or fined for the hit.

“It sucks because he was trying to protect the quarterback while still trying to make the play, and it’s a double-edged sword,” Dolphins defensive lineman Akeem Spence said. “What do you expect us to do? We know the rule, but we don’t know the ins and outs. And then I saw Clay Matthews, he had another one yesterday. What do you want the guy to do? You gotta put the guy down. How much is too much weight? What technique do you use? How do you go about it? We are still asking questions just like y’all are.

“Let’s be honest, that’s a difficult rule to gauge.”

61 responses to “William Hayes tore ACL trying to avoid roughing penalty

  1. “Unfortunately QB’s sell merch, not DE’s”

    What you think there aren’t tons of Mack jerseys flying off the shelves in Chicago? And for other pass rushers in other markets?

  2. Ridiculous rule that conflicts with natural physics of when your body is falling while attached to another person. Change the rule to cover picking up and physically “driving” QBs into the ground(unnatural motion)and fix it before more B.S. calls are made by the refs.

  3. chut26 says:
    September 24, 2018 at 3:32 pm
    Unfortunately QB’s sell merch, not DE’s
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    ever see how many endorsements JJ Watt has?

  4. From the standpoint of the NFLs bottom line, the QB is FAR more valuable than any other position. They would gladly have a D-Lineman go down with a season ending injury rather than a QB. This is not a hard decision for them. If the fact is that occasionally someone is going to get injured when a QB is sacked, they have stated that they would rather it not be the QB. From a business standpoint this makes perfect sense. From a personal and moral standpoint, asking one person to take the injury in place of another person is a far different matter. At this point, expecting the NFL to look out for anything other than their bottom line is not realistic.

  5. A bunch of people who never played the game make these stupid rules (all to avoid future player lawsuits), or else they wouldn’t be expecting guys to make split second moves like the football-illiterate idiots that they are.

  6. Lesson learned – take the penalty instead of trying to make yourself fall in some awkward position.

    All defenders should just run up the to the QB and two hand touch them. If refs don’t blow the whistle then go for the hit next time.

  7. If I’m a coach, I’m telling my players to ignore this rule.

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    Except that play would have then been a 1st and 10 for Oakland from like 20 instead of a punt. How many times do you extend drives before you they start having to pay attention to the rule.

    I’m with you. It’s a stupid rule. The QBs get paid a lot of money to play the same sport. It’s not just the hitting of the QB. Just look at tackling in general around the league. It’s pathetic.

  8. This could all be avoided if the QB’s went with the Eli approach. When a defensive player gets within, say 3 yards, just fall down.

  9. The rule isn’t to protect the QB’s. It’s to protect the revenue stream, and that has a lot to do with watching great QB’s on TV. It’s in everyone’s best interest. It’s just like Tiger Woods. When he’s healthy, people turn on their TV sets to watch golf. He’s finally healthy. The prize money is bigger for all the golfers. The NFL has a lot of good young QB’s. When one goes down, TV sets get turned off. When TV sets get turned off, the guys like William Hayes make less money too.

  10. Is all of this “let’s protect the QB” speech by the NFL related to Fantasy Football? I mean, I saw Clay Mathews’ sack on Alex Smith and that seemed like a good sack, what else is a defender supposed to do?

  11. So I am in a Redskins bar in Baltimore. Nothing but Redskins fans and 1 Green Bay fan. When this play happened you would have thought you were in Green Bay. People are booing and throwing fits at the tv’s. People yelling, “you are ruining the game”. I have never seen a fan base react so violently about a terrible call that went FOR their team! It was amazing and I hope the NFL is paying attention.

  12. Why isn’t the rules committee comprised of players and former players. Then rule changes should have to be signed off by the players union? Then the owners would not have to worry about lawsuits.

  13. “If I’m a coach, I’m telling my players to ignore this rule.”
    ________________

    If they don’t make some fixes to the rule this will be the outcome. The way they’re enforcing things now, there’s a really good chance you get flagged no matter what you do, so why make any changes to how you’re playing at all?

  14. If you’re gonna get a penalty might as well make it count & truly crush the QB with your body weight. Because you really can’t avoid it in most circumstances.

  15. oswizard says:
    So I am in a Redskins bar in Baltimore. Nothing but Redskins fans and 1 Green Bay fan. When this play happened you would have thought you were in Green Bay. People are booing and throwing fits at the tv’s. People yelling, “you are ruining the game”. I have never seen a fan base react so violently about a terrible call that went FOR their team! It was amazing and I hope the NFL is paying attention.
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    Thanks for the anecdote. That one small incident places some perspective around what I believe most football fans feel about what the NFL is doing to the game we all (used to) know and love.

  16. As a defensive player, I would think the response now would be to hit the QB as hard as possible with intent to injure and knock him out of the game. If you’re going to get a 15 yard penalty(and probably a fine) anyway, you might as well get your monies worth.

  17. Have there been less QB injuries this year through three games than last year? It doesn’t seem like QBs are any safer, but now on top of that we have a bunch of bad calls to complain about and a DL out for the year

  18. Flagging players for making textbook open field tackles has to be the most surreal thing I have ever seen in sports. There seems to be no point in watching the NFL anymore as the rules are now being made up by journalists and twitter jockeys who sit at their computer all day and have never played any kind of sports a day in their lives but can complain 24/7 across the digital world.

  19. harrisonhits2 says:
    September 24, 2018 at 3:38 pm
    “Unfortunately QB’s sell merch, not DE’s”

    What you think there aren’t tons of Mack jerseys flying off the shelves in Chicago? And for other pass rushers in other markets?

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    You are right but the point he is trying to make is still valid. Had this been Mack blowing his knee trying to avoid the penalty the NFL would be taking it a lot more seriously.

  20. kcsam76 says:
    September 24, 2018 at 3:39 pm
    Watching it live, it sure looked like he injured himself while celebrating rather than trying to avoid a penalty.
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    Really? I watched it and when he lands, he holds his right leg then starts to move forward. At first I thought it was celebratory as well, but when you notice him holding his right leg, it’s obvious he was hurt and not celebrating.

  21. Pass rushers must learn to never actually tackle a QB to the ground. Grab the QB, wrap him up tight and stand there fighting to remain on your feet until a whistle is blown. Coaches must teach “The Squeeze”. Wrap arms around the QB, Squeeze as hard as possible and do whatever it takes to NOT go to the ground. Tackling a QB to the ground carrys far too large a risk of totally arbitrary penalties being called.

  22. 5 yard penalty for running into the QB and 15- yards for roughing. Throw the flag, call the next play. Nothing more to see here. One penalty will not make or break a season.

  23. Roughing the QB is now just “touching the QB”. They have an unwatchable game at this point, with litigation on every other play subject to review.

  24. Huge loss for Miami, but hey look at it this way, an overrated QB on a 0 and 3 team is just fine.
    At first I wondered what he was doing and now after looking back on it you can tell he at the last minute was trying to hold back and his leg got caught

  25. If I’m a coach, I’m telling my players to ignore this rule

    Not only am i ignoring the rule but im telling them, if youre going to get flagged might as well body slam him in the process. Make him pay.

  26. The penalty on Garrrett against the Steelers and then Matthews’ hit against the ‘Skins has me concluding that this league has no clue how to run itself. Maybe they can’t figure out player politics – that is not easy. But when they can’t figure out the way the game is played? That is a serious management problem. The rules should be reasonable and easy enough to explain.

  27. finer9erfan says:
    September 24, 2018 at 3:45 pm
    Newton’s First Law of Motion doesn’t apply to the NFL.

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    Goodell says they take these reports of natural laws very serioysly and will hire an investigator to look into them and return a report. He will withold and comments of reccomendations for the natural laws until after the investigation.

  28. This body weight penalty has to go. If a DT decides to kill the QB blame his offensive line for not being able to protect him. We are very close to playing flag football for the quarterback right now all because Aaron Rogers took a hard hit and broke his shoulder last year. Sorry but it happens, this is football and sometimes quarterbacks get hurt. A fundamental part of football is the o line and the qbs decision making protecting the qb, not the refs.

  29. If I’m a defender I’m thinking I’d rather draw the fine than jeopardize my own career so I’m hitting with all I got.

  30. If a top shelf pass rusher like Mack, Donald, Miller or Watt tore their ACL TRYING
    to avoid injuring these precious QB’s would the NFL have a differing opinion
    of this rule?

    I believe they would have to – but then those guys are still playing so who’s to say?

  31. You gotta do what mack and von Miller are doing and just start going for the ball instead of trying to tackle them. There changing the way there playing this year others need to follow

  32. You gotta do what mack and von Miller are doing and just start going for the ball instead of trying to tackle them. There changing the way there playing this year others need to follow

  33. jimmyjohns01 says:
    September 24, 2018 at 3:44 pm
    Lesson learned – take the penalty instead of trying to make yourself fall in some awkward position.
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    We wouldn’t have this rule if a certain QB would have had the common sense to not stick his arm out rigidly to try and break his fall.

    His collarbone probably broke before the defender landed on him.

    What compounded the problem was that his team failed to have a halfway decent backup QB on the roster and refused to sign a better alternative.

  34. One hand touch for all QBs. As soon as a finger is laid on him, the play is over and that guy gets credited for a sack. Strip fumbles still count. If the QB decides to recover itm he’s fair game. I can be crazy too.

  35. The NFL just can’t understand how to make fans watch the game. The fans are the money. Lose the fans and they don’t have to worry about money.

  36. Since Blindside Hits have be taking out the QB the only player who cannot brace himself.
    Defenders WR protected by Blindside hits so you have to protect the QB. Now some the calls are just Wrong. I get the Protecting the QB when cannot Protect themselves while throwing.

  37. Since Blindside Hits have be taking out the QB the only player who cannot brace himself.
    Defenders WR protected by Blindside hits so you have to protect the QB. Now some the calls are just Wrong. I get the Protecting the QB when cannot Protect themselves while throwing.

  38. Since Blindside Hits have be taking out the QB the only player who cannot brace himself.
    Defenders WR protected by Blindside hits so you have to protect the QB. Now some the calls are just Wrong. I get the Protecting the QB when cannot Protect themselves while throwing.

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