Report: Competition committee wants roughing rule applied differently

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The NFL seems to be aware there’s a problem. They just don’t know what to do about it.

According to Mark Maske of the Washington Post, there’s a strong sentiment among members of the league’s competition committee that the controversial roughing-the-passer penalties need to be applied differently.

Packers linebacker Clay Matthews is central to the league’s dilemma, as penalties against him have been backed by the league office, and even doubled-down upon by making them teaching tools.

But members of the committee don’t necessarily agree, as Maske cites people with knowledge of the deliberations saying the interpretations of those penalties may not be “consistent with how the league wants to see the roughing-the-passer rule enforced.”

The committee has a conference call next week, which was previously scheduled. While they might talk about how to adjust the enforcement, there’s apparently no movement toward changing the wording of the rule.

“I’m not sure we can do anything this year,” one person with knowledge of the committee’s deliberations said.

Another person close to the process said that the penalties will be called differently, with evidence of the changing emphasis to be explained by officiating videos (so perhaps they’ll become useful).

While the offseason talk was largely about the league’s new lowering-the-helmet rules, that has since faded from view, as roughing the passer penalties have created a much greater furor. And the people with the ability to influence those rules appear to have heard it.

124 responses to “Report: Competition committee wants roughing rule applied differently

  1. why cant anything be done this year. simply stop telling the refs to throw a flag on every hard sack. is it because they cost the packers a win? the damage that is done is no worse than when refs call a phantom hold or a ticky tack PI call that flips the field. bad penalties happen and they skew game results every year. get these ones right at least moving forward

  2. Another idiotic move by guys that didn’t play the game. Simple fix – make it an intent foul. And put a tutu on Ben Rothlisberger. He’s worse than soccer players. Make faking a hit a foul and call it a Rothlisberger. His idiotic fakes will keep him out of the Hall of Fame. Maybe we can start a Hall of Shame.

  3. Bring back the replacement referees. The integrity of the game is being damaged, so that’s no longer a valid argument. All these onerous rules and regulations – who’s running this, the DNC??

  4. The wording says that players shouldn’t *unnecessarily* put all of their weight onto the QB when falling to the ground. When a player comes straight at the QB, how is he supposed to avoid doing that? The refs are calling this penalty incorrectly.

  5. the helmet call derailed the opening drive of the Viking/Bills game. I’ve finally determined this game is officially unwatchable. This weekend will be the first in 30+ years that this dude will consume 0 football. Just give a flag to the QB and call it done. Stick a fork in the league.

  6. “…how the league wants to see the roughing-the-passer rule enforced.”
    ———-
    You meant, “…how the league wants to see the rodgers rule enforced.”

  7. Except the very next time a franchise QB gets their clavicle destroyed by a DE not rolling out of a tackle, everyone will be screaming for the roughing rules to be tightened up again. Bottom line is, quality QBs are rare and, especially in the era of salary cap and silly huge franchise-QB contracts (much of which gets guaranteed), and/or often the big trade-picks handed away to get them, to then lose such a QB ruins not just the rest of that season but often handicaps the next one too.

  8. ‘“I’m not sure we can do anything this year,” one person with knowledge of the committee’s deliberations said.’
    Keep up the great work, the league will be even more of a joke after multiple roughing penalties EVERY game! The Golden Goose will be crapping nickels by season’s end…

  9. “And the people with the ability to influence those rules appear to have heard it.”
    While they continue to do nothing about it.

  10. It’s funny how everytime I Packer speaks out against the rule something gets done about it favored much

  11. Last nights game was a text book example of terrible roughing the passer calls.
    The QB was sacked by the Dlineman, who put out his hands at the end to lessen the impact.
    But no, that wasn’t enough, it was flagged as roughing the passer.
    Despite the DL making an effort to take some of the weight off it wasn’t enough.

    So how is the dlineman supposed to sack the QB?
    What if he’s not able to spin to the side?

    The idea of the rule is to cut down on driving the QB into the ground. But as its being called even landing on teh QB with 80% of your weight is a foul.
    Its making the game less enjoyable because the offense is constantly awarded a new set of downs.

    And just because a DLs hand touches the QBs helmet doesn’t mean it should be a PF. Only forceful hit, not a grazing.

    Its as if they have lost sight of the goal which is to prevent cheap shots on the QB.
    If the goal is to protect the QB from anything more than a mild hit then they have given the offense a big edge and made the game less enjoyable for the fan. I don’t love 43-37 games. If I want to watch basketball I’ll watch basket ball.
    I want to watch football.

  12. Packers linebacker Clay Matthews is central to the league’s dilemma

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    Clay has always had a hard time with that dog gone learning stuff.

  13. They can’t do anything about it this year? How about unless it is obvious the defender is trying to pancake the qb into next week, just let them play ball. Let me know when it’s fixed. I turned off my TV after the Clay Mathews call. And I’m a Washington fan.

  14. NFL officials are only calling the RTP as written in the rulebook without much discretion available to them. To change the how it’s applied, they just need to change the wording differently to give them flexibility.

    Otherwise, you’ll have the same jokers here complaining how the league is “fixing” games by the officials calling RTPs only on their team.

  15. The lowering the helmet rule was constantly bashed by your yellow journalist Mike Florio – it was not a huge issue anywhere else except maybe with the fake sports network ESPN which is all politics interrupted with a sprinkling of sports.

    There is nothing wrong with this rule – the problem is the dirty players like Dirt Mathews have been allowed to hit dirty for the duration of their careers and suddenly they are being snagged. Players have to adjust how they attack QB’s and that is just what is going to happen. The days of being able to pile drive a QB into the ground are over – just because your name is Dirt does not give you the right to stuff a QB in a proverbial golf ball hole.

    Now if I had my druthers, I’d have no protections for QB’s at all – I’d strictly enforce intentional grounding calls to limit it to actually hitting a receiver where he can catch the ball (not 10 yards close to him) and eliminate the tackle box garbage so that the QB can be flagged from any part of the field – there is a huge problem with QB’s getting away with murder – Alex Smith, Erin Rogers, and Russell Wilson being the Queens of the intentional grounding fraud.

  16. “I’m not sure we can do anything this year,” one person with knowledge of the committee’s deliberations said.
    ________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Just do what you did in last year’s SB….apply a new set of rules without telling anyone and pretend you didn’t.

  17. You are penalizing defenders for good form tackles. I get the “lifting and driving” but 3 separate times last night defenders were flagged for hitting the QB a split second after he threw it, at the waist, yet their momentum brought them down on top the QB so it was flagged. If you are going to call this so much, you need to emphasize offensive holding more.

  18. This is not football. I understand that you don’t want defensive players pulling a Turkey Jones on QB’s, but hits that were once hard (but perfectly legal) have now been outlawed and it’s ruining the game.

  19. Why doesn’t the Competition Committee think things through before implementing these rule changes? The changes seem to be made for PR reasons (Goodell) without considering how they will actually affect the game. Just another example of Goodell’s incompetence.

  20. This rule has made watching an NFL game a joke.

    In fact, watching any play with yardage leaves the viewer scanning the field (or staring at the corner of the TV) looking for the yellow flag.

    The NFL has killed themselves.

  21. “I’m not sure we can do anything this year,” That’s ridiculous! Don’t lose a whole season with terrible calls. Everyone is frustrated fans and players alike. Refs don’t know what to call.You remove the rule, go back to how it was last year, and work on it in the off season. The only thing that needed to be changed was stopping players from lifting the QB up and pile driving him. Other than that, Let them play!

  22. You can’t reword mid season because the calls have already affected games. So you change the application which is actually just as bad.

    At least they are changing it now and not just in the SuperBowl. They would never do that…oh wait.

    Get a grip NFL. Start with hiring a competent commissioner and it will get better. No where to go but up.

  23. So what about all the fines that players have had taken from them? If I were a defensive player getting fined I would be furious. Also, how in the world do they allow offensive players to stiff arm defenders in the facemask? Not consistent at all.

  24. Matthews has been getting away with illegal hits on Quarterbacks for years and thinks “burping” is fun.

  25. “The NFL seems to be aware there’s a problem. They just don’t know what to do about it.”

    ummm, here is a thought…let them play football! Football is a contact sport and in this contact sport you must tackle people, including quarterbacks. By making all of these rules protecting one position they are fundamentally changing the game and not for the better. You can’t hit them high, you can’t hit them low now you can’t land on them when you do hit the 18″ you are allowed to tackle them in….somehow defying the laws of physics and putting your own health at risk….there are too many rules, this additional one goes TOO FAR

  26. Wait, the league already said the Matthews hit was “Textbook Roughing the Passer”. What gives–oh, yeah, this league is run by morons, corporate puffs and jagoff lawyers who know nothing about the actual game. At some point, the owners will realize NY office is ruining the game and that is why you have empty seats. Eff em. I say, let another “man’s league” form. Let the NFL become some version of touch football. Slayer plays our halftime shows–some twit who won a singing contest on TV plays theirs–who’s with me? Most players currently in the NFL will migrate, at least those who love the game.

  27. Just go with the old Ben Dreith standard: giving him the business. You don’t need some scientific articulation of a personal foul. You just know what it looks like. Was he giving him the business or not?

  28. The roughing the passer calls in last nights game were totally ridiculous. This will definitely cost some teams some wins if they don’t change this rule. There were lots of clean hits on the qb and all the refs did was throw flags. Are we playing professional football or flag?

  29. They are making themselves look like fools. Forget that it’s turning the NFL into “flag football” or making the game “soft”. Those things may be true, but there is simpler better argument for changing the rule:

    What they are asking defenders to do is literally, scientifically impossible. A human being, running at the limit of their abilities, simply does not have the level of body control necessary to perform the gymnastics suggested by Ed Hochuli when he attempted to describe what Matthews SHOULD have done on Sunday. Your asking the player to move his body in a controlled fashion in several different directions at the same time.

    They have created a rule that can’t be obeyed by players without them changing the way they rush from the snap of the ball. They would have to rush at half speed, so they can make all the body contortions necessary when they reach the QB. Of course, at half speed they will never actually REACH the QB.

    Which, come to think of it, may have been the league’s intention all along.

  30. Roughing the passer is easy enough – you know it when you see it. It’s that simple. Trying to define it further is silly and leads to the mess we have now.

    By any definition, it’s a call where at times, bad calls will be made. Roughing will be missed at times and roughing will be called when it was marginal. Just like pass interference.

    But if you stick with a “you know it when you see it” call, there will be far fewer disagreeable calls.

    Right now it’s an absolute, comically tragic disaster.

  31. New idea: If the defender gets with in 1 yard of the QB it is an automatic Rock, Paper, Scissors match. If the QB loses. It’s a sack. If the defender loses, boom! Roughing the passer.

  32. How is it that youth, high school, and college football do not have any problems defining a catch and a tackle? The NFL is micromanaging the league into the ground.

  33. How hard is it to go back to last years rule until you figure out this one? It shouldn’t take a year to resolve this knuckle head rule.

  34. @GenXJay says:
    September 25, 2018 at 8:13 am
    “…how the league wants to see the roughing-the-passer rule enforced.”
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    You meant, “…how the league wants to see the rodgers rule enforced.”
    —————————————————————————

    How long are you going to continue to Whine about this and post the same foolish post? Typical Viking troll

  35. I just watch the Lawrence Taylor Football life story. I couldn’t help but notice that 80% of his sacks would be flags today.

    Sad…

    Nobody should want to play defense anymore. It’s pointless. Running backs lower their heads on every play, leading with the crown of the helmet. Defense flops, almost have to go limp, and its still a flag.

    Looking at Fitzpatrick and his Playstation numbers is an good barometer of how weak the league has become. A decent qb can throw all day if there is no fear of getting hit, or pull a Divac and fall over and wait for the call.

  36. Terrible rules, game changing flags, endless injuries, and high profile holdouts. Yeah football!

    This is fun, we’re having fun right? Good times.

  37. cosmicredneck81 says:
    September 25, 2018 at 8:23 am
    It’s funny how everytime I Packer speaks out against the rule something gets done about it favored much
    ——
    And this comment is absolutely true.
    Rodgers gets hurt…..we need a new rule……
    Matthews got called by the new rule……we need to change the new rule we just made.

  38. The NFL is hell bent in destroying itself. These games are becoming unwatchable.

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    It’s not even just these roughing calls. The fact they can’t practice tackling enough in Training Camp anymore. Not until like week 5 or 6 do you see consistent tackling. Right now people are just bouncing off each other like a big kid in Pop warner.

  39. elvoid says:
    September 25, 2018 at 9:29 am
    Roughing the passer is easy enough – you know it when you see it. It’s that simple. Trying to define it further is silly and leads to the mess we have now.

    By any definition, it’s a call where at times, bad calls will be made. Roughing will be missed at times and roughing will be called when it was marginal. Just like pass interference.

    But if you stick with a “you know it when you see it” call, there will be far fewer disagreeable calls.
    ——————————–

    This is exactly right, you nailed it.

    I know nobody remembers or cares, but not long ago I said something positive about Al Riveron in a PFT comment, and I’m so embarrassed about that right now. Riveron seems to be a REAL problem, he was like this last year too. He’s trying to make hard-line rules (“he landed on the QB, that’s the rule, we have no choice but to call that”) for calls that need to be subjective, requiring experience and judgment. His whole mentality is wrong for what NFL officiating requires.

  40. Idiotic !… I turned off my TV after the Clay Mathews call and went out to do yard work.I again turned it off and went to bed after last nites call on big Ben. If they think fans are going to support this NFL game officiating all season long, with the refs throwing flags after every play….THEY BETTER THINK AGAIN! I know many people who have completely turned off the NFL because it has become unwatchable !….they have taken away the DEFENSE and destroyed game continuity.People are very frustrated and tired of watching this joke expecting a flag after every play…Watch the ratings this year tumble down to the basement.Large numbers of fans are becoming Ex-fans. I have been a fan since 1956 and cannot watch this any longer. I Will watch College football and take back my Sundays doing other activities. Sad,Sad indeed !

  41. 48 games
    242 sacks, countless QB hits and knockdowns
    33 roughing the passer penalties, most of which were legit fouls prior to this year’s emphasis

    We are talking about a questionable Tyrone Crawford hit on Russel Wilson and TWO Clay Matthews hits. Outside of Clay Matthews, 1 out of 250 sacks was called a “body weight” penalty. I honestly don’t understand the uproar.

  42. This should be called like every other personal foul should be called — only in flagrant cases. You can’t legislate tackles out of the game. Taking a guy down and landing on him is just a tackle.

  43. Friends and foes alike, the NFL fan, regardless of their allegiance needs to band together and save the game of football. What we all love is being destroyed before our eyes. It sure is difficult to muter up the same passion and emotional investment this year. Unfortunately I purchased tickets, hotel, etc back when the schedule came out. Try to make the trip once every other year. About $2k this year. Unless the NFL gets out of it’s own way this, and the rest of Sunday Ticket this year truly will be the last penny I give this company. The NFL needs to know there is a strong bite behind that bark. They know regardless of what drastic changes are made, the foolish sheep will just come back for more. Makes me sick what’s happening. One of the owners who can put integrity before greed (wishful thinking I’m sure)needs to have some brass and speak out.

    Florio, as much as it pains me to pay you a complement, you have the resolve and the attention of ears in high places. How about hammering on this story every damn day, all day and shake the tree. I understand it’s not as divisive as the national anthem, kaep or the Redskins stories but please, someone, save this great game we all love.

    I don’t think I’m exaggerating when I say it’s high time and soon it will all be gone as we know it. Desperate for actual football.

  44. change the rule when a defensive player has a grasp on the quarterback the play should be blown dead on the spot and the quarterback is sacked. no need to tackle or hit the quarterback. Oh thats right that won’t work either the NFL wants 90-85 score games they think that is what the fans want. I love good defense

  45. Mark Murphy is on competition committee. Rodgers gets hurt. New rule is passed cause their little boy got roughed up on the playground. New rule is applied to that team. Let’s change the rule. Bad facts make bad laws.

  46. They could start by enforcing the actual wording of the rule where the body weight penalty only applies if the qb is in the act of passing or has just passed the ball. You know, like the Anthony Barr hit that is the reason we have the Anthony Barr rule in the first place.

  47. Ok let me see if my pea brain gets this. Mathews makes what looks to be a decent tackle on the qb but lands on him and they say no you cant do that 15 yards.

    Last night Fitzpatrick tried to slide for a first and the lb deliberately hit his helmet into the helmit of Fitz and it was obvious and deliberate, no question of accidental and he gets 15.
    So if you maime the QB with helmit to helmit you get 15 and if you take the body down you get 15. The one penalty does little and the other may cause severe problems down the road and the league says its concerned about hits.

    Where is the game ejection hit like in colege if they are concerned?

  48. “The fact they can’t practice tackling enough in Training Camp anymore. Not until like week 5 or 6 do you see consistent tackling.”

    I don’t know about that one. These guys have played football their entire lives. Do they forget how to tackle from one season to the next?

  49. The NFL reminds me of most big companies that have so many layers of unnecessary management they create change to justify their role in the company. Then, despite any and all objections at the time, they force the change through. Fast forward X years, when the Mgmt team who made the decisions move on to greener pastures, the next Mgmt team comes in and reverses. Rinse/Repeat in perpetuity.

    A gas station attendant could run the NFL. About 10 years ago, it was a finely tuned machine set on auto-pilot. Now they are overly political and stubborn, and their solution to making terrible calls is to change the rule-book’s interpretations to justify their egregious calls (Calvin Johnson, Dez Bryant, Aaron Rodgers, etc.)

  50. You could see in the preseason there was a problem with this rule. But instead of paying attention and saying, “We’ll scrap this rule for the 2018 season,” the NFL fell asleep at the wheel and still refuses to wake up until it crashes.

  51. Fans during the week: this rule is terrible! I’m not watching! They are going to far to protect quarterbacks! Defense is part of the game too!

    Fans after games like titans- jags: Boring! Why even watch such terrible football!

    Fans after games like saints-Falcons, bucs-Steelers: what a game! So exciting! Love the high scoring matchup!

    Lol. That rule isn’t going anywhere. And neither are any of you saying you’re done watching. You are addicted! And you like the new rule! It means more scoring! You like that! Nobody likes defensive battles! The league isn’t stupid. They know what drives the league: the quarterback. Do get used to it.

  52. NFL, take a clue from NASCAR. Remember when NASCAR was far and away the biggest spectator draw in the US? Just a few short years ago.

    But NASCAR consistently fiddles with the rules. Then came to the conclusion, “Hey, we’ve oversaturated the market, overplayed our hand, let’s tweak rules more.” Those rule tweaks are part of what’s driving away the audience. But they continue to double-down and tweak rules. People want to see cars go fast, and they want to see wrecks. Drivers know what they are getting into.

    Same with the NFL – people want to see big hits. Players know what they are getting into.

    The NFL is following down that same path as NASCAR, and they can’t even help themselves.

  53. just call the obvious ones..no one wants this ticky tac bs. over officiating is ruining the game more than anything else.

  54. They call ones that they shouldn’t, then asked why that one was vs. A play her a qb gets his head and neck area forcea ly driven into the ground with the defenders weight assisting that, the refs just say “I didnt see it”

    These MUST be reviewable.

  55. I miss the days of QBs getting banged up and punished for holding the ball too long or their O-line sucking too much. I guess that makes sense why teams don’t beef up their O-line anymore. They depend too much on these rules, which is no one’s fault but the NFL’s.

  56. 2017 Packers: We need rules in place that protect the QB! We can’t have our precious Aaron hurt again!
    2018 Packers: We need to change the rules in place that we demanded about protecting the QB!
    LOL Forever.

  57. They’re working towards changing the rule (it’s been just 3 weeks btw) and so many of you are still crying that the league stinks. Like, they heard you and you were right, it went too far. Let’s see what they decide to do before continuing the lynching, k? Thanks.

  58. Let me get this straight, you can’t do a form tackle as that means you will land on QB. You can’t grab them with your arms and fling them down. And QBs are getting bigger and stronger to be able to resist arm tackles in any case.

  59. The full weight thing is totally unreasonable. Missed tackles happen when you don’t commit and use proper, weight-bearing form. Imagine trying to bring down Big Ben while also sliding off to the side just to avoid a flag. He’s going to slip out of your grasp. Pass rushers are totally hamstrung by this situation.

  60. They better hear it. Team allegiances aside, I don’t think I’ve ever seen fans of the game as united in saying the penalty calls against Matthews are terrible, as I think everyone can see that continuing down that road is going to destroy the game faster than any level of concern over CTE ever could.

  61. The NFL is hell bent in destroying itself. These games are becoming unwatchable

    I agree. I bailed when JPP got called for roughing the passer when he brushed Big Ben’s helmet with his hand. God forbid if he had all his fingers, Pete Morelli would have charged him with attempted murder.

  62. I hate this idea that nothing can be done until the end of the season. What nonsense. I saw someone above say it would be “unfair” because the call has already affected the competitive balance of some of the games this year. I am sure if you went to the teams negatively affected and ask they would be offended if the rule was changed now that they wouldn’t have a problem with it.

    Other leagues have done this. The NHL once changed their rules IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLAYOFFS. Sean Avery of the Rangers decided he was going to distract the goalie during power plays by standing in front of him and waving his arms and stick. The NHL outlawed it literally overnight.

    F1 changed their qualification rules in season when teams found a loophole.

    I am sure there are other examples, those are just two that popped into my head.

  63. superbearssuperbowl says:
    September 25, 2018 at 10:53 am
    2017 Packers: We need rules in place that protect the QB! We can’t have our precious Aaron hurt again!
    2018 Packers: We need to change the rules in place that we demanded about protecting the QB!
    LOL Forever.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Several starting quarterbacks were lost for the season due to injury last year. Not all were due to big hits but when 25% of the league’s starters are out for the season, it’s time to start looking at ways to stem the tide.

    Btw… Did you know there’s an NFL team in Chicago? With a pretty good, young quarterback? That’s currently leading the NFCN? Or were you too busy obsessing over the Packers and Aaron Rodgers to notice any of that?

  64. Right. These “applied differently” “rules” are really going to help William Hayes.

    With apologies to the late, great Johnny Cash… “The Ballad of William Hayes”

    “William Hayes, William Hayes
    They call him rushing William Hayes
    He won’t be rushing any more
    Not the run-stuffing Dolphin
    Nor the DE that rushed galore…”

  65. I pretty much agree with everyone else here. They may as well put a little gate around the QBs and says “any defender who jumps the gate warrants a RTP penalty.” They may as well ban sacks, while they are at it.

  66. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    September 25, 2018 at 11:50 am
    Several starting quarterbacks were lost for the season due to injury last year. Not all were due to big hits but when 25% of the league’s starters are out for the season, it’s time to start looking at ways to stem the tide.

    __________________________________________________________

    Toughness is part of the game. All of the big boy QBs can accept that. I’m not even sure if there’s anyone who can’t accept that fact, other than the competition committee and Aaron Rodgers.

  67. It is beyond absurd. A bad call early in a game can be overcome, but in the last two minutes it is game over. The outcome of the Green Bay-Minnesota game was changed by a very obvious bad call, and the NFL doubled down and defended it. There was no excessive roughness, no slamming, no contact to the head. Minnesota fans don’t care, it went to their favor, but what about next time? It has to be corrected, the league over-reacted.

  68. all of the roughing penalties in the Bucs-Steelers MNF game were complete malarkey. They need to knock this off. It’s not hard, people.

  69. torgow says:
    September 25, 2018 at 12:14 pm
    The Almighty Cabbage says:
    September 25, 2018 at 11:50 am
    Several starting quarterbacks were lost for the season due to injury last year. Not all were due to big hits but when 25% of the league’s starters are out for the season, it’s time to start looking at ways to stem the tide.

    __________________________________________________________

    Toughness is part of the game. All of the big boy QBs can accept that. I’m not even sure if there’s anyone who can’t accept that fact, other than the competition committee and Aaron Rodgers.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    News flash: They didn’t make the rule to protect only Aaron Rodgers. They made the rule to protect all quarterbacks from cheap-shot artists like Barr. They just went way overboard with it. Your obsession is just precious, though; thanks for sharing.

  70. Monday night was the best yet , officials just looking to call roughing the QB. Nothing goes to the defense, put a red button on the jersey if it is touched play stops there no pass allowed no throw away’s, no running allowed for the protection of the defensive players having to file bankruptcy for the fines leveled against them. Lets protect the defense for the betterment of the game.

  71. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    September 25, 2018 at 11:50 am
    Several starting quarterbacks were lost for the season due to injury last year. Not all were due to big hits but when 25% of the league’s starters are out for the season, it’s time to start looking at ways to stem the tide.

    Knowing when to get rid of the ball is an important part of being a quarterback. This is what I mean when I said these rules are changing the game. Now Quarterbacks can wait until a defender is literally bearing down on them and deliver a pass to a receiver going across the middle in traffic and both Quarterback and receiver expect to NOT be hit…. crazy.

  72. 33vikes says:
    September 25, 2018 at 10:00 am
    Mark Murphy is on competition committee. Rodgers gets hurt. New rule is passed cause their little boy got roughed up on the playground. New rule is applied to that team. Let’s change the rule. Bad facts make bad laws.

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    I wonder if anyone else is on the competition committee besides Mark Murphy…bad facts make bad assumptions and faulty logic. Rube

  73. The thing of it is, even the QB’s don’t like the calls which were made against Matthews and others this weekend. Because they know it could be their teammates getting it called against them.
    Booger McFarland said last night these clowns should put on a uniform, get down in a three point stance, then rush a QB and see if they can somehow stop their momentum from landing on him when they use perfect technique in tackling him. That is precisely correct! Booger said no one can stop their momentum in that situation because it’s impossible!! Thanks Booger, for making it perfectly clear to these morons why it’s so stupid to be throwing these flags on guys like Matthews who did nothing wrong in his hits against Cousins and Smith!
    One thing here — even if fans don’t agree one way or another on stuff like this, the one thing the overwhelming majority of fans agree on is we’re sick of the way the game has been changed and ruined! This is not the NFL we all grew to love. And the other thing the overwhelming thing the fans agree on is how we can’t stand Goodell. if you think I am wrong about these things, look below at how many thumbs up I get and how many thumbs down I get.
    I am a Packers fan and I will stand with any fan of any other team against these stupid rules to make the NFL get rid of them and make this game closer to what we grew up loving.
    The point is, you don’t need all these stupid rules to make the game safer.
    An analogy is all the laws which are added in the area of driving safety. Does anyone think that these laws will make nitwit drivers safer drivers? Of course not! Nitwit drivers will always be nitwit drivers, no matter how many laws are put on the books. And in the NFL, the reality is you can’t legislate safety. It’s a physical game played by huge, fast men. Injuries are going to happen and not one rule will stop them from happening. If the players can’t accept that, advise them not to play. And if the league can’t accept that, tell them to fold their tents. The only answer is make the equipment the best you can make it and train the players the proper way to play the game. In fact, the tackles made by Matthews on Cousins and Smith should be shared as teaching players exactly the way they SHOULD tackle. The proof is he did everything he could NOT to hurt them and in fact it worked — neither QB was hurt.

  74. “The NFL seems to be aware there’s a problem. They just don’t know what to do about it”.
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    I seem to remember this same line coming up about 5 or 6 years ago. If I'm not mistaken back then it was about WHAT IS A CATCH and they still haven't corrected that one. And that's a true statement as we've seen a few controversial calls already this year on catch or no catch.
    In all honesty I think the NFL needs to remove everyone currently on the competition committee and start fresh with outside consultants. Start over before the NFL Executives completely ruin the game,….. and they're doing a good job of that already.
    And ALL NFL game Officials need to have a meeting with the NFL as to what is and isn't a roughing call because as it stands there are multiple visions from 16 different officiating crews. AND YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE RULE MID SEASON because there are game results that have been affected already. It wouldn't be fair to those teams to change mid season.

  75. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    Btw… Did you know there’s an NFL team in Chicago? With a pretty good, young quarterback?
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    Just wait until Trubisky gets piledrived and hurt,…. out for several games.
    superbearssuperbowl will be singing a different tune. Right ??

  76. I’m old and I’m from Detroit. I remember what happened when the NBA was calling all kinds of tick tack calls against the Pistons, especially when they played the Celtics or the Lakers. The Pistons decided that if they were going to be called for a foul, that they should make it a foul that was painful and memorable for the opponent. Behind Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn and the rest of the Bad Boys, they won championships. Something to think about.

  77. deneb1973 says:
    September 25, 2018 at 7:57 am
    Another idiotic move by guys that didn’t play the game. Simple fix – make it an intent foul. And put a tutu on Ben Rothlisberger. He’s worse than soccer players. Make faking a hit a foul and call it a Rothlisberger. His idiotic fakes will keep him out of the Hall of Fame. Maybe we can start a Hall of Shame.——————————————————————————————————————————————————I do agree he is a great actor…but he is first ballot HOF

  78. NFL is slowly turning into the NBA, they want almost every possession to end with a score and no more defense. What a joke!

  79. revelation123 says:
    September 25, 2018 at 12:32 pm
    Please make penalties reviewable.—————————————————————————————————————————————————————I do agree to a certain extent…but games would be 5 hours long.

  80. brwmstr says:
    September 25, 2018 at 12:46 pm
    The Almighty Cabbage says:
    September 25, 2018 at 11:50 am
    Several starting quarterbacks were lost for the season due to injury last year. Not all were due to big hits but when 25% of the league’s starters are out for the season, it’s time to start looking at ways to stem the tide.

    Knowing when to get rid of the ball is an important part of being a quarterback. This is what I mean when I said these rules are changing the game. Now Quarterbacks can wait until a defender is literally bearing down on them and deliver a pass to a receiver going across the middle in traffic and both Quarterback and receiver expect to NOT be hit…. crazy.

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    Rodgers knew when to get rid of it and he did get rid of it. Unfortunately, Barr took the cheap (albeit legal at the time) shot anyways. If you really think about it, it was the epitome of a cheap shot; it was (a)totally avoidable and (b)completely unnecessary. That said, I’m not even mad at Barr for it. He simply did what he’s been coached to do since forever. As I said above, the league has gone way overboard with it. I think I might actually have a fairly simple solution, though.

    The gist of the rule is “No lifting, no driving into the turf, and no purposeful application of all or most of the defender’s body weight.” If the rule were amended so that all three of those elements have to be present to constitute a foul, we might actually get somewhere. It could take that particular type of cheap shot out of the game without all this other nonsense.

  81. I watched 1 game this weekend, which I think they tried to suggest was “Football”….but I don’t that’s what it was, because the refs kept trying to dress all the players in Tutu’s.

  82. How about just use some common sense? The tackles by Matthews were not out of the line hits – they were football tackles. If an NFL referee can’t tell the difference, then they should not be NFL referees. The old Steelers linebacker Jack Lambert used to say that they should just make the QBs wear a dress so everyone knows not to hit them too hard. That is where the NFL is heading with the current stupid rule. That is also where I have stopped watching knowing that these rules have gone crazy. Even NFL QBs have said that these penalties were NOT penalties.

  83. rodgerstonelson says:
    September 25, 2018 at 1:14 pm
    revelation123 says:
    September 25, 2018 at 12:32 pm
    Please make penalties reviewable.—————————————————————————————————————————————————————I do agree to a certain extent…but games would be 5 hours long.
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    How would it do that? Coaches would still have the same number of challenges available to them. It would just change how they used them.

    Might actually speed up the game because most coaches would be out of challenges by the middle of the first quarter.

  84. “This rule has made watching an NFL game a joke.
    In fact, watching any play with yardage leaves the viewer scanning the field (or staring at the corner of the TV) looking for the yellow flag.
    The NFL has killed themselves.” THIS!! It has come to the point that , in my opinion, every punt should be fair caught and every kickoff that goes into the end zone should cause a knee to be taken and get the ball at the 25. How many drives start inside the 15-10 yard line? I don’t watch basketball because it seemed every other time down the court a whistle blew and play stopped. It appeared to me, a non fan that the officials had waaaaay too much to do with the outcome of games. Well. Anyone just starting to watch the NFL has to feel the same way. For all that is holy play the game the way it is supposed to be played and call penalties that actually have an effect on the play. We all know holding can be called on every play so let em. New rule, no tackling. There. Let em grab and punch(not the head) and fight like heck but tackling is off limits. That eliminates 10-20 calls a game right there and promotes the freaking offense the NFL drools over. Oh and if it is against the rules to have hands to the face…..new rule….no straight arm punches to a defenders grill. People are watching Madden video game matches in droves(Ya, I know huh) Once again the NFL best wake up and understand they have no guarantee of a future. See bowling, boxing, horse racing. All once thriving sports. Get your stuff together NFL. Maybe take a peek every now and then at comment sections on popular NFL blogs and learn that fans are at the point they are leaving you behind. Those are die hard fans. Imgine what the average Joe is thinking when he stumbles on a NFL game these days. That’s right, off to the Madden tournaments they go!

  85. the problem is that every time they “emphasize” one rule for enforcement, they start neglecting some other. there was a blatant helmet to helmet on Smith-Shuster late in last night’s game. It was bang bang, both guys trying to get low, and just looked like a football play..BUT it CLEARLY violated the letter of the rule on H2H on a receiver, and no flag…meanwhile, they’re judging body weight percentages from 10 yards away and throwing flags on FOOTBALL plays.

  86. I swear if these brain dead billionaire owners didn’t inherit their money most of them would be deadass broke! Not one ounce of common sense in the whole bunch!

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