Steelers can still rescind franchise tender, get compensatory draft pick for Le’Veon Bell (UPDATED)

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The Steelers’ sudden willingness to trade running back Le'Veon Bell doesn’t mean a trade will happen. For Bell, the question becomes whether a new team, like the Jets, would be willing to offer a better salary than the $855,000 per week that Bell currently is earning in Pittsburgh. If Bell ultimately won’t sign a one-year deal with the Steelers, there’s nothing that the Steelers can trade, to the Jets or anyone else.

For the Steelers, the question becomes what they’d want, from the Jets or anyone else. And the return would have to outweigh the consideration that the Steelers could receive under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, as modified by a key side letter with the NFL Players Association.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, if the Steelers rescind the franchise tender, Bell’s departure (if/when he signs with a new team) would count toward the Steelers’ overall free-agency losses in 2018 when calculating compensatory draft picks fore 2019, even though the deadline for getting such credit has otherwise passed. Thus, if Bell’s departure leads, loosely speaking, to a third-round compensatory pick for the Steelers, the Steelers necessarily would need something better than that to justify a trade — unless one of the goals of a trade would be, for example, to send him to an NFC team or, at a minimum, a non-AFC North team.

It makes sense to consider the potential consequences of rescinding the franchise tender because the sudden willingness of the Steelers to consider a trade of Bell suggests that the Steelers are ready to move on from him. If they can’t trade him on terms acceptable both to the team and to Bell, then the next step would be to simply withdraw the tender, knowing that they’d get something extra in the 2019 draft once he signs with another team.

UPDATE 10:35 p.m. ET: Although the Steelers would be eligible for compensatory draft pick compensation, Bell’s departure would put their net free agency gains and losses at zero, given that they signed safety Morgan Burnett and linebacker Jon Bostic and lost tackle Chris Hubbard. Per a source with extensive knowledge of the compensatory draft pick formula, the next gains and losses of zero would keep the Steelers from getting any compensatory draft picks.

88 responses to “Steelers can still rescind franchise tender, get compensatory draft pick for Le’Veon Bell (UPDATED)

  1. I could see a team giving up a 1st and 4th or similar for Bell, back in July.

    Now? I would hang up as soon as Colbert mentioned anything higher than a conditional 3rd.

  2. When David gettleman put the franchise tag on Josh Norman and then later rescinded it get him and stated that he had to resend it before training camp in order to get the compensation pick when did they change that rule

  3. They had an entire off season to resolve this. Steelers just don’t like seeing their former players prosper.
    Kevin Greene must still gall them.

  4. fttssm says:
    September 25, 2018 at 10:22 am
    How do we know the guy isn’t hiding an injury?
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    We don’t, but no team would sign him without a complete medical check.

  5. Hmmm… so let him come back in Week 10 so it counts as a fully vested year, then he walks (or perhaps sprints) away in March with zero compensation for the Stillers. Sounds like the best they can do is to either A) offer him up the (ridiculous) contract that he wants (and Connor is showing that he’s 80% of the player at 1/16th the cost) or B) rescind the offer and at least get a 3rd round pick.

    Were I a Stiller fan (I’m not), I’d want Colbert to go with B and get rid of this me-first cancer.

  6. Roughly $850k per game is what he is losing now so obviously he wants more per game than that. How much more? Nobody knows but him.
    I doubt any team is desparate enough to give up picks to find out.

  7. Trading Bell for a 3rd round pick would secure that draft pick. The compensatory 3rd pick could be erased with a free agent acquisition. With the money they would get from releasing Bell they probably would go after some higher profile free agent in the off season.

  8. I just smile to myself over the guys who have nothing but bad to say about Le’Veon Bell. It’s really easy to bad mouth him for whatever reasons when he plays for another team. But there aren’t very many who wouldn’t be overjoyed at having him play for your team.

  9. “…to offer a better salary than the $855,000 per week that Bell currently is earning in Pittsburgh.”
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    ummm he hasn’t signed anything so he’s not earning anything right now florio. c’mon man.

  10. Bell thinks he is going to leave Pittsburgh & get this HUGE deal. But he doesn’t get it. RB’s don’t get HUGE long term deals, and how many teams will hold off on him, after seeing what he has done to the Steelers. I know, if I were calling the shots, and paying the players, I’d think twice before signing him.

  11. The silver lining for the Steelers (if they trade or release bell) is they’ll get to carry over 15 million in cap towards 2019

  12. Pittsburgh does not want to pay him what he is worth; however, they want compensation in a trade for what he is worth? Hypocritical.

  13. I admire Bell for standing his ground. When you consider other prime players around the league are cashing in, i.e. Gurley, Watkins, Cooks, etc., there’s no reason why Bell shouldn’t also get paid, he’s also earned it (more than Sammy Watkins).

    The tough stance Bell has taken has made it apparent… NFL teams are not the only ones who can play hard-ball. Good for you Le’Veon.

  14. dirtysouthironmen says:
    September 25, 2018 at 10:43 am
    Pittsburgh does not want to pay him what he is worth; however, they want compensation in a trade for what he is worth? Hypocritical.
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    No…Pittsburgh wants to pay him $855k per game. HE thinks he is worth more. Apparently no other team thinks he is worth more or they would’ve already made the deal to acquire him.

  15. Pittsburgh does not want to pay him what he is worth; however, they want compensation in a trade for what he is worth? Hypocritical.

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    Perfectly said and one of the most excellent points I’ve ever read on this site…

  16. Actually, to have him gone is probably best for the team, now or later. His downward slide last year indicates he is on his way and the Steelers offered him a ton of money in appreciation of what he has done. Now? Move on and make it a full team effort without the obvious distraction.

  17. dirtysouthironmen says:
    September 25, 2018 at 10:43 am
    Pittsburgh does not want to pay him what he is worth; however, they want compensation in a trade for what he is worth? Hypocritical.

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    5 year 70 million isn’t being paid what he’s worth? Let’s not he turned that down cause he’s GREEDY:)

  18. Steelers lost the game of chicken.

    Plain and simple.

    Conner is gaining yardage, but he does not possess Bell’s intangibles. Steelers players can delude themselves and offer soundbytes to the media, but their window for winning a title with Roethlisberger-Bell-Brown is now shut.

  19. knew8411 says:
    September 25, 2018 at 10:40 am
    Bell thinks he is going to leave Pittsburgh & get this HUGE deal. But he doesn’t get it. RB’s don’t get HUGE long term deals, and how many teams will hold off on him, after seeing what he has done to the Steelers. I know, if I were calling the shots, and paying the players, I’d think twice before signing him.
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    He will get close to what Gurley got, if he becomes an unrestricted free agent.

    Your personal biases (and they are obvious) cloud your perception about this matter.

  20. “Bell’s departure (if/when he signs with a new team) would count toward the Steelers’ overall free-agency losses in 2018 when calculating compensatory draft picks fore 2019, even though the deadline for getting such credit has otherwise passed”

    So Goodell ignoring the deadline for the Steelers, got i

  21. I see it playing out as a waiting game, where they let Bell pass up a few more cheques, then rescind the tag a week or two before his deadline to sign it and have the season count.

    Then he loses his whole tag year guaranteed salary. He’d be free to sign multi-year, but be negotiating with teams on a mid-season entry (and with a mid season cap crunch). Could result in him sitting the year and being 15 mil in the hole before signing in the offseason.

    Regardless of how this plays out, he is never coming out ahead financially with this strategy

  22. If they choose to trade him, I dont see the Steelers getting back anything more than 2nd IF that, most likely a third rounder and other late rounder. Steelers have no leverage to getting something back worth his value, and which ever team chooses to pay him this extension is bound to bite that bullet when they-can get any other talent around him.

  23. signing FA’s isn’t a 1-to-1 ratio – there are different tiers based on contracts.

    We signed Burnett (mid level FA) and Bostic (low level FA).
    We lost Hubbard to a big contract and obviously we would lose Bell to a huge contract.

    So… no guarantees on a 3rd for Bell but we would still get a higher pick as Hubbard signed a deal larger than Burnett.

  24. dirtysouthironmen says:
    September 25, 2018 at 10:43 am
    Pittsburgh does not want to pay him what he is worth; however, they want compensation in a trade for what he is worth? Hypocritical.

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    What he’s “worth” is not some fixed quantity. There’s what the Steelers think he’s worth, a range of values in the market, and what he thinks he’s worth. Those aren’t all equal, and there’s not a single fan out there that knows the number to any of them.

    Steelers likely know he’s probably worth more to another team, namely one with more cap space and a different philosophy on contract guarantees. If they know he’s definitely walking after this year, why not maximize their return?

    If this situation played out with whatever team you root for, you wouldn’t find it hypocritical.

  25. We went from a source with knowledge of the situation to a source with extensive knowledge of the situation. I’m waiting for an update from a source with extra extensive knowledge of the situation.

    By the way, who was the source with “knowledge of the situation”? They apparently didn’t have much knowledge.

  26. I remember JuJu last year when he had us break our game against the lions. In JuJus post game interview on the field Bell game is behind the camera and said

    “Just remember, I taught him everything he know”

    That’s the kind of player Bell is. JuJu had a big game for himself, made a 97 yard TD reception, and Bell had to make it about himself. Good riddance.

  27. So much hatred, it’s sad to see. To me, it’s shocking considering most seems to be coming from Steelers Nation and they have Ryan Shazier as the best example of why he should not come back until he gets a major guaranteed deal. The market just got set as a second round pick for a trade with the alternate compensation being a 3rd round compensatory pick. He will be paid by whoever he ends up with. And yes, more than $900,000 per game. More importantly he will probably get 50-60 mil in guarenteed money. Jets or Browns I am guessing. If JimmyG wasn’t hurt, maybe SF.

  28. I don’t see the upside for Jets when the OL is a mess. The incremental gain in talent of Bell over their incumbents is mitigated by a bad OL

  29. My father once gave me good advice about this sort of thing that Bell might want to think about: “If you ever wonder what an organization will do without you, stick your hand in a bucket of water and then pull it out again.”

  30. 1) The Steelers didn’t franchise him in order rescind it because he isn’t playing. This is the NFL we’re talking about. Pettiness is part of the SOP. There are also real reason not to rescind the offer ever, but pettiness surely matters too.

    2) Bell isn’t fighting for 895k a week or even more than that. He’s fighting for 895k (or more)k a week for the next 3-5 years. Not just this year. We’ve seen with AP RB can lose a year due to injury and still come back stronger than ever. Would any of you fight for a job for 150k this year at the very real risk of never making that kind of money again or sitting out this year to make 150k in the future? Anyone that went to college the answer is an immediate and resounding no as that’s entirely the point of college. Though thinking about the typical NFL demographic maybe that does explain why people want to take 895k today and lose out on 10s of millions tomorrow.

    3) He’s not even injured so the calculation he’s doing is that he should do even better with a year off. Can any of you argue that he’ll be in a better position for his next team by playing and putting more mileage on that engine?

  31. Let Bell burn a giant hole in the Steelers’ pocket. It’s fun to watch the team languishing in salary cap hell. Besides, Little Ben has a new secret weapon. The “roughing the passer” flop. He should get an Academy Award for his performances last night. That’s the only reason the Steelers aren’t winless this morning.

  32. The Steelers couldn’t sign Bell because they offered a contract they claimed was for $70 million but only had $10 million in full guarantees. As anyone that’s followed NFL contracts know the most important thing in a contract are the gaurantees. Bell would have been an idiot to sign that.

    Which brings us to getting franchises for a second year in a row. I totally understand Bell’s position. He played out every minute of a rookie contract he had vastly out performed. Then got tagged instead of being able to let the free market determine his value. He grumbled about it but still in the end took the tag and played out every minute of a 1 year deal in which if injured would have negatively impacted his value in the limited time he has in the league.

    Then he gets franchised a second time while watching other players like Gurley sign monster deals with $45 million in guarantees.

    Did the Steelers have every right to franchise Bell a second time under the CBA? Sure. It’s cut throat that they didn’t let him hit free agency and they were only looking out for their interest. At the same time Bell has every right not to sign a deal he doesn’t like. I really don’t understand the vitriol being thrown his way for exercising that right. A team had 2 chances to sign him and a deal couldn’t get done. What’s the issue? Get rid of this rediculous franchise tag and have teams compete for players on the open market after they’ve played out their contract. There is no need for all tgis animosity and distractions.

  33. They will get that draft pick if they release him or if they don’t so a Trading Partner would have to do better. Let the Jets offer their #1 pick next year for him and then you could see Pittsburgh get ready to move him!!

  34. 6burgh says:
    September 25, 2018 at 11:08 am
    I remember JuJu last year when he had us break our game against the lions. In JuJus post game interview on the field Bell game is behind the camera and said

    “Just remember, I taught him everything he know”

    That’s the kind of player Bell is. JuJu had a big game for himself, made a 97 yard TD reception, and Bell had to make it about himself. Good riddance.
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    So now you’re really reaching. I saw the same interview and clearly Bell and Juju who are friends were joking. It’s a joke I’ve seen used dozens of times amongst friends when one of them accomplishes something.

  35. Can the stillers sign and traade him, and have the new team tear up the franchise contract and sign him to a long term deal?

    or can pittsburgh withdraw the tag and sign Bell to a long term deal and then trade him?

    Cuz a 3rd round pick? id give that up in a heart beat for him to come to New England … although i am under no allusion that 1 Pittsburgh would ever trade him to New England and 2 that NE would pay him what he wants… but still a third… dirt cheap for a player like him

  36. Let Bell burn a giant hole in the Steelers’ pocket. It’s fun to watch the team languishing in salary cap hell. Besides, Little Ben has a new secret weapon. The “roughing the passer” flop. He should get an Academy Award for his performances last night. That’s the only reason the Steelers aren’t winless this morning.
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    C’mon ty.

    Too transparent.

  37. I understand it’s a business, but the way Bell went about it was wrong. If he wanted more than the Steelers were offering then he should have requested a trade. Now he’d be lucky to get 1 or 2 teams that would be interested. Nobody wants a guy that will sit out if he’s not handed exactly what he wants. Also, If he’s traded, Is he going to pull the same garbage on the next franchise?

  38. Steelers need to wait him out, and when he returns, run him to death. See how much he is worth to anyone after that. Also, he and Dez (another ME FIRST PLAYER) are earning the same salary this year. A big fat zero.

  39. I have a hard time understanding a trade because he can’t be given a long term deal until after the season. I guess it’s possible Bell could come to a non-binding agreement with a team but that seems tricky.

    Also, obviously Bell would prefer to sign as a free agent where a team isn’t paying the Steeler’s draft compensation for him so he may not try and facilitate a deal. He may still push to have the franchise tag rescinded, although I only see that happening if the Steeler’s fall out of contention.

  40. “Cuz a 3rd round pick? id give that up in a heart beat for him to come to New England … although i am under no allusion that 1 Pittsburgh would ever trade him to New England and 2 that NE would pay him what he wants… but still a third… dirt cheap for a player like him”

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    No, it isn’t “dirt cheap” at all. It might be dirt cheap if you were paying him a reasonable salary, but given that he demands 50M guaranteed or whatever and a 15M APY contract, it’s pretty far from dirt cheap.

    It’s like saying do you want to pay $5K for this Porsche? Cheap right? OK, give me the $5K and then you have the right to buy the Porsche for $200K. Not so cheap. Not cheap at all.

    The two go together. You’re not getting a player, you’re getting the player at a huge, record setting, unwieldy contract.

  41. They should not trade him yet. If he comes on let’s say game 11…then the Steelers should keep him; then play him for the remainder of the season; and then give him another Tag. It is economically feasible to do that under those somewhat exact circumstances.

  42. dirtysouthironmen says:
    September 25, 2018 at 10:43 am
    Pittsburgh does not want to pay him what he is worth; however, they want compensation in a trade for what he is worth? Hypocritical.
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    No…Pittsburgh wants to pay him $855k per game. HE thinks he is worth more. Apparently no other team thinks he is worth more or they would’ve already made the deal to acquire him.
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    He is worth more or else the Steelers would have let him hit the open market. And other teams are prohibited from paying him more because the Steelers have his rights and want to run him into the ground one more year before moving on. Bell might not get the contract he thinks he deserves but he almost certainly will get a lot more than $14.5 million guaranteed. Assuming he doesn’t blow out his knee before free agency.

  43. Steelers are just spiteful not to rescind it. He would be stupid to play 6 games at 855K / game and risk injury. Injury risk is heightened due to lack of playing/practice time.

    So he will likely sit out the whole year.

    At which point the Steelers will franchise him again? Not likely. So why just just cut him loose now? Nothing to lose.

    Like my “lose/loose” example for those who are confused by those words?

  44. jjackwagon says:
    September 25, 2018 at 10:35 am
    Roughly $850k per game is what he is losing now so obviously he wants more per game than that. How much more? Nobody knows but him.
    I doubt any team is desparate enough to give up picks to find out.

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    Not necessarily, Bell’s issue with the Steelers is not the amount per year he is getting. At 14 million (Franchise Tag 2nd year) he would be he would be tied with Gurley as the highest paid in the NFL. Difference is that Gurley has a 4 year contract at 14.375 per and other guaranteed dollars.

    Bell is not playing because he has no guarantees beyond this season and for a RB that touches the ball 400+ times per season why should he put himself at risk if the Steelers don’t value him at what he should be paid?

    If Bell is asking for a 4-5 year 14.5 mil year contract and the Steelers don’t want to pay his best move is to sit out and reduce the wear and tear.

    Gurley set the market and Bell has to up it a bit. That is the business. And actually he is doing the RB market a favor because when Gordon, Elliott, Kamara and Hunt get their new contracts they’ll have Bell to thank.

  45. ajg314 says:
    September 25, 2018 at 10:37 am
    I just smile to myself over the guys who have nothing but bad to say about Le’Veon Bell. It’s really easy to bad mouth him for whatever reasons when he plays for another team. But there aren’t very many who wouldn’t be overjoyed at having him play for your team.
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    Go ahead and keep smiling…and while you are at it, start thinking. Bell is not playing for ANY team. He also has a track record for making poor decisions, lacks the character to be part of a TEAM and is a pee test away from a lengthy suspension. Why pay what he wants when you can get somebody serviceable for much, much less…you know, like the Steelers happen to be doing right now?

  46. Stewart Cedres says:
    September 25, 2018 at 12:17 pm
    They should not trade him yet. If he comes on let’s say game 11…then the Steelers should keep him; then play him for the remainder of the season; and then give him another Tag. It is economically feasible to do that under those somewhat exact circumstances.
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    You believe it is economically feasible to pay a RB $28M+ guaranteed for just the 2019 season? Really?

  47. JoeToronto says:
    September 25, 2018 at 10:17 am
    I wish my team could rescind the contracts they gave to Derek Carr and Jon Grude
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    You can imitate me all you want but the fact remains that you still live in Buffalo.

  48. 6thsense10 says:
    September 25, 2018 at 11:29 am
    6burgh says:
    September 25, 2018 at 11:08 am
    I remember JuJu last year when he had us break our game against the lions. In JuJus post game interview on the field Bell game is behind the camera and said

    “Just remember, I taught him everything he know”

    That’s the kind of player Bell is. JuJu had a big game for himself, made a 97 yard TD reception, and Bell had to make it about himself. Good riddance.
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    So now you’re really reaching. I saw the same interview and clearly Bell and Juju who are friends were joking. It’s a joke I’ve seen used dozens of times amongst friends when one of them accomplishes something.

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    You know what, I never thought of it like that to be honest. Perhaps you are right. I guess I just seen it in a different light. To me it seemed selfish, as the interview was already being conducted and Bell hunted down the interview, he was not present until the middle of it. Should’ve just waited.

  49. So actually its the opposite, if a team who wants to acquire Bell is currently in line to receive a compensatory pick, and they acquire Bell as a free agent, they would lose their compensatory pick. So, they ought to be willing to offer the Steelers anything up to the pick they would lose to acquire Bell in trade. If Bell would count for a subtraction in free agency, he should also count as a gain if a team acquires him in free agency.

  50. kenberthiaume says:
    September 25, 2018 at 12:14 pm

    No, it isn’t “dirt cheap” at all. It might be dirt cheap if you were paying him a reasonable salary, but given that he demands 50M guaranteed or whatever and a 15M APY contract, it’s pretty far from dirt cheap.

    Bell is worth whatever someone will pay him. You may not think hes worth 15m a year, but to a team with cap space, he might be worth that or more. Three out of the last four years hes been in the top three of yards from scrimmage. The only reason it wasn’t 4/4 was injury in 2015. Giving up a third to have the opportunity to sign a franchise player like that? That fits my definition of dirt cheap.

    You aren’t buying cheap. You willing go into the situation knowing full well that you will be paying premium dollars.

  51. All this talk about the Steelers trading Bell is not only dumb, it’s not going to happen…unless a ‘life-ending meteor’ type of deal were struck & the Steelers gained enormously for it.
    1) By holding onto Bell, they delay the calculation of his loss from 2018 till 2019. So, the Compensatory calculation is based on next year’s off-season, not last years.
    2) Having Bell sitting on THEIR Bench for 2/3 of the year & not having to pay him? That’s the best case scenario for a great player who’s not actively playing on their roster. Not only is he not helping an opposing team, but he is there in the event of a significant injury were to occur to Conner. What team wouldn’t want Bell as their BACKUP!!!
    3) He has to sign the Franchise Tender by week 10, or lose a year of Free Agency. So, what team wouldn’t want Bell to come in a help heading into the later part of the Season & playoffs?
    Long story short, a team would have to knock the Steelers’ socks off with a trade offer to even have a chance of peeling him away. And even if that were to happen, Bell will almost certainly not have a Contract offer in the range he thinks a different team will offer in Free Agency & refuse to sign. So, Bell is a Quasi-Steeler in 2018!

    Get use to it…

  52. spartan01 says:
    September 25, 2018 at 11:05 am
    We went from a source with knowledge of the situation to a source with extensive knowledge of the situation. I’m waiting for an update from a source with extra extensive knowledge of the situation.

    By the way, who was the source with “knowledge of the situation”? They apparently didn’t have much knowledge.

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    I want to hear from the source who is on double-secret probation.

  53. EJ, I’m with you. I believe he is going to do it with the next franchise. I believe teams might a little hesitant to trade for him now.

  54. It is hard to imagine any team meeting his contract demands so, for that reason and the sense that he will not play hard was he to be traded without a new deal, I just don’t see this ending until the Steelers rescind the tag.

  55. saaladin says:
    September 25, 2018 at 12:22 pm

    If Bell is asking for a 4-5 year 14.5 mil year contract and the Steelers don’t want to pay his best move is to sit out and reduce the wear and tear.

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    This isn’t remotely true.

    Bell didn’t like the Steelers offer over lack of guarantees. He didn’t get guarantees because he isn’t likely to be good enough for long enough.

    He could have had a good contract if he’d been ready to deal in 2017. He could have had a decent one in 2018.

    Now he is missing out on about $10 million this year to try and be ready for a free agent deal. But that deal will never make him 10 million more than he could have made with the Steelers.

    Carries aren’t the only disqualifier or risk factor for a back preventing them getting paid. Straight up age does it too. Leveon Bell will be 27 next year. He is never getting the money from this holdout back.

  56. mark4steelers says:

    September 25, 2018 at 1:30 pm

    All this talk about the Steelers trading Bell is not only dumb, it’s not going to happen…unless a ‘life-ending meteor’ type of deal were struck & the Steelers gained enormously for it.
    1) By holding onto Bell, they delay the calculation of his loss from 2018 till 2019. So, the Compensatory calculation is based on next year’s off-season, not last years.
    2) Having Bell sitting on THEIR Bench for 2/3 of the year & not having to pay him? That’s the best case scenario for a great player who’s not actively playing on their roster. Not only is he not helping an opposing team, but he is there in the event of a significant injury were to occur to Conner. What team wouldn’t want Bell as their BACKUP!!!
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    You’re right, the Steelers have outsmarted everyone. They can pay a backup 855K / game.

  57. I want to hear from the source who is on double-secret probation.
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    ‘The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.’

  58. takeyourpunishmentandquitwhininglikeababy says:
    September 25, 2018 at 11:20 am

    Let Bell burn a giant hole in the Steelers’ pocket. It’s fun to watch the team languishing in salary cap hell. Besides, Little Ben has a new secret weapon. The “roughing the passer” flop. He should get an Academy Award for his performances last night. That’s the only reason the Steelers aren’t winless this morning.

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    I agree that the penalty called on McCoy was weak, but the penalty called on JPP for hitting Roethlisberger in the head is indisputable. As Roethlisberger said, “finally” he’s getting it called. Unfortunately his opponents get away with more shots because of his size.

    To suggest the Steelers won because of the refs is nothing short of delusional. They were penalized 13 times for 155 yards to Tampa’s 9 for 80, IIRC. There were lots of weak penalties both ways, but the Steelers have more to complain about than the Bucs.

  59. Almost impossible to justify trading for him. 1)It would cost over the $855k per week just to get him to show up. 2) How many weeks at the higher pay would it take to get into “football shape”? 3) How many weeks at the higher pay to learn the offense?. 4) If you are a team that has cap space and can afford him you probably aren’t competing this year, so why give up something in trade when you can just sign him as a FA and that wouldn’t cost a draft pick. 5) No guarantee he would sign with you next year anyway

  60. When everyone talks about what he is worth they fail to compare what he wants to what other backs get.
    You focus on the one year number of the tag.
    You focus on he needs gaurenteed money because you have to factor in the possibility he gets hurt. Shouldn’t the Steelers factor that in too?
    Bell is simply betting $8.5 or so million he won’t get hurt during weeks 10-17. Less games played, less chance of injury. Then he will cash that $8.5 million lottery ticket on a ticket that will pay him prolly $50 million guaranteed plus non-gaurenteed money. He gets hurt this season that big gaurentee doesn’t happen.
    That $50 million is the problem. What’s the real number and how fast does he want it. That’s where he is out of the market for RB’s.

  61. Just rescind the tag and cut him loose. See if the idiot can get $5k on the open market. He screwed himself. No sympathy!

  62. @suchapaindude

    No team is giving him 50 million guaranteed.

    The only contract remotely close to what you are talking about is Gurley’s contract.

    And for that contract you need to bear this in mind

    1) Gurley is younger with less mileage on him.
    2) His deal added contract 4 years, but they are for the 2020-2023 seasons. Meaning the salary is anticipating his future worth.
    3) It is reported as 45 million guaranteed, but is really a 21 million signing bonus (to increase his comp on the last 2 years of his rookie deal). The rest of the ‘guarantees’ are roster bonuses starting 2 seasons from now. If he is hurt or unproductive before then, the team can walk away clean.

    On the open market, Bell is likely to get something quite similar to what the steelers were willing to give. He is walking away from 8 million for nothing.

    His FA deal will likely include face saving fake money or guarantees that both he and the signing team know he’ll never make, but in terms of real dollars Bell is costing himself money.

  63. mmmpierogi says:
    “..What he’s “worth” is not some fixed quantity. There’s what the Steelers think he’s worth, a range of values in the market, and what he thinks he’s worth. Those aren’t all equal, and there’s not a single fan out there that knows the number to any of them…”

    Exactly.
    You may think that car you’re trying to sell is worth a pile of cash, but at the end of the day, it’s only worth what a buyer is willing to pay.

  64. The “update” negates the headline entirely.

    The upshot is that Steelers would likely get bupkis if they rescind the tag, and MIGHT get a pick at the end of the third round in 2020 if they don’t.

    I’m expecting Bell to sign his tag the day after the trading deadline passes. He’s seems to want the Steelers to pay as much as possible, both for his services as well as their method of “negotiation.”

  65. The trade deadline is irrelevant.

    You can’t trade Bell until he signs. When he does, his new team couldnt extend him. So you need a win now team with the cap space for his tag contract, who think they can get enough out of a guy who doesnt know their playbook and line to justify the salary. Whenever he reports, a trade is thoroughly unlikely.

    He’ll sign it at the deadline to get an accrued season.

  66. Mike Florio, if he does NOT sign the tender (and obviously does not get credit for the season) how does that impact the tag? Can they tag him again at this year’s rate since he didn’t sign it or would it still be at the much higher QB rate?

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