Sean Payton on roughing: Emphasis is to avoid “intentionally” putting weight on QB

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The NFL’s Competition Committee is set to have a conference call next week to discuss, among other topics, the spike in roughing the passer calls over the opening weeks of the regular season and one member of the committee shared his view on where things have gone wrong on Wednesday.

Saints head coach Sean Payton said that the league’s point of emphasis regarding flags for defensive players landing with their body weight on top of quarterbacks has been misinterpreted on some of the plays that have resulted in penalties this season.

“The point of emphasis in the offseason was very simple, and that was avoiding the player ‘intentionally’ placing all the weight on the quarterback,” Payton said, via the New Orleans Advocate. “Have we seen some that have been flagged that should not have been? Absolutely.”

A number of calls suggest that the point of emphasis has not been “very simple” for all officials and Payton said that there’s been inconsistency between different officiating crews about when to throw a flag. He said everyone needs to get on “the same page” and we’ll find out if next week’s conversation is able to get that done.

29 responses to “Sean Payton on roughing: Emphasis is to avoid “intentionally” putting weight on QB

  1. Ok Sean, we get that, but shouldn’t this be a judgement call? A player is taught to go after the QB, but now you’re telling them to slow down a step or two to control their body, as well as the player they are tackling. It doesn’t make any sense.

    Stupidity like this is destroying the game.

  2. I agree that a penalty shouldn’t be called if the player didn’t intend to put all his body weight on the QB, but how do you determine a player’s intentions? The refs are supposed to read minds now, too? Just abolish the stupid rule.

  3. That seems right. Get rid of the plays where the guy is trying to take someone out of the game but leave the ones where he makes him not want to get out of bed the next day.

    NFL needs to be more vocal about ref mistakes for this to work.

  4. We all know Sean was secretly laughing to himself how easy it was for his old quarterback to run for a TD last week. A year ago, you would have never seen Drew Brees run directly at 2 defenders on the 5 yard line and expect anything other than a crushing runner type collision. Instead he just bumped off 2 poor clowns who didn’t know what to do and it was an easy 6 points. Sean will back this as long as he has ol man Brees.

  5. That’s not the wording of the rule. Can’t expect officials to interpret the rules to whatever they want, otherwise the same snowflakes here will just whine that their team is being unfairly conspired against by the league.

  6. This is one of those penalties that might seem good (and simple) on paper, but is too hard for human beings to implement in a fair and consistent manner at NFL game speeds.

  7. Can someone explain to me how a QB like Big Ben or Cam Newton, who easily weigh 255-260, are supposed to be hit hard enough to bring them down but then gently lowered to the turf by a defender who may not weigh much more than that, or less? I don’t think this new rule takes basic physics into the equation.

  8. What’s wrong is the refs are ignoring the “intentionally” part. It’s like any other unnecessary roughness penalty. You can tell when a player goes above and beyond to inflict an unnecessary hit on QB like Barr did to Rodgers. Barr took a few steps AFTER Rodgers threw the ball, picked up the QB and put all his weight down on Rodgers. THATS what they are trying to get rid of.

    Problem is, the refs are taking the “intentionally” part out and just flagging anyone who lands on the QB, period. They are calling bang-bang plays. Barr on Rodgers wasn’t bang-bang. That’s what Peyton, as well as many of the other coaches on the comp. committee, are saying is not the reason the rule was put in place.

    That’s on Riveron. Just like the catch rule, he took a rule and made up his own guidelines, ignoring what he rule was truly meant for. Rules committee need to step in and stop the madness and ensure the refs are enforcing the rule how it was truly meant to be. And then get rid of Riveron.

  9. That is nonsense! How can you tackle someone without putting your weight on them? I understand not thrusting your legs in order to make their fall extra hard but this is just nonsense. QB’s should not be able to try to break tackles if the NFL is going to use this ludicrous standard!

  10. Everyone blames the Refs but the real culprit is the stupid rules the NFL charges the Refs to enforce. What a thankless job!

  11. bassplucker says:
    September 26, 2018 at 12:32 pm
    Can someone explain to me how a QB like Big Ben or Cam Newton, who easily weigh 255-260, are supposed to be hit hard enough to bring them down but then gently lowered to the turf by a defender who may not weigh much more than that, or less? I don’t think this new rule takes basic physics into the equation.

    Physics? NFL? You have not been paying attention.

  12. What if the quarterback gets hit by a defensive back on a blitz, who weighs less than the QB? Should that be a roughing the passer penalty too?

  13. I’m not watching it anymore. I’d rather YouTube games from the mid 80’s with no commercials

  14. I think that the solution to this problem is very simple.

    After a sack,the refs just call the player and ask him to swear that he did not land
    on the qb intentionally. Maybe he can raise his hand so it would be more serious.

  15. bassplucker says:
    September 26, 2018 at 12:32 pm
    Can someone explain to me how a QB like Big Ben or Cam Newton, who easily weigh 255-260, are supposed to be hit hard enough to bring them down

    ———-

    Nobody brings down Big Ben.

  16. When I played way back in the day, arm tackling got you a seat on the bench. Now the nfl wants it’s players to start arm tackling on purpose. What’s the world coming to.

  17. I’m ok with the rule if they also equally penalize the QB for flopping. Ben should have been ejected for his flop.

  18. I really don’t think William Hayes “intentionally” would have put his weight on Derek Carr, which is why he unintentionally tore his ACL. The Dolphins would have been penalized if he had, and everyone who saw the game live or on TV or on NFL GamePass knows this. It’s the old “who is the NFL Officiating office gonna believe? the Officials or the player” game…lose-lose for the players. One o’ these days, ol’ Rog will realize it’s also lose-lose for the NFL.

  19. Stupid. Just plain stupid. It has to be subject to review by someone with some common sense, which is a big problem finding a person that meets that qualification in the NFL.

  20. If I were a defensive coach I’d tell my guys try not to get a penalty but don’t injure yourself or hurt your career by making contortions to avoid a penalty. If it gets penalized so be it. Defensive players need to start looking out for themselves because no one else is.

  21. Though they will never admit it, falling on the QB with all your weight is a technique that defensive players have been taught for years. Very effective in getting QB’s out of the game

  22. Well it is his rule, since ya know Sean is part of the Competition Committee

    jackedupboonie says:
    September 26, 2018 at 12:04 pm
    We all know Sean was secretly laughing to himself how easy it was for his old quarterback to run for a TD last week. A year ago, you would have never seen Drew Brees run directly at 2 defenders on the 5 yard line and expect anything other than a crushing runner type collision. Instead he just bumped off 2 poor clowns who didn’t know what to do and it was an easy 6 points. Sean will back this as long as he has ol man Brees.

  23. It doesn’t seem that hard to set guidelines for excessive force. Just tackling and landing on someone is inherent force, not excessive.

    I suspect most people know when they see something that’s not a normal tackle. 90% of actions taken in the course of tackling that are intended as “punishment” can be recognized by the layman.

  24. Pass rushers are going to have to simply stop taking the QB to the ground. Period.

    Rush the QB with the intent to wrap arms around him and squeeze as hard as possible. Squeeze his guts out. And stand there. Queeze and fight to remain standing until someone else knocks you both to the ground, hopefully a confused OL.

    All a rusher can do is either try to bat the ball away (strip sack) or wrap the QB up and hold on tight.

    I sure wish there was a professional football league to watch in the fall. I’m not sure what to call this farce but its not football.

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