Competition Committee: No changes to roughing rule or emphasis

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Word this week was that the NFL Competition Committee would have a conference call next week to discuss the roughing the passer rule and the specific emphasis on the part of the rule dealing with defenders falling on quarterbacks with all or most of their body weight.

That conference call actually took place on Wednesday night. NFL executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent released a statement on Thursday explaining that the committee reviewed video from this season and 2017 before deciding to keep things as they are.

“In reiterating its position on quarterback protection, the committee determined there would be no changes to the point of emphasis approved this spring or to the rule, of which the body weight provision has been in place since 1995. To ensure consistency in officiating the rule, the committee clarified techniques that constitute a foul. Video feedback will continue to be be provided throughout the season to coaches, players and officials illustrating clear examples of permissible and impermissible contact on the quarterback.”

The league also released a video narrated by officiating head Al Riveron showing four examples of impermissible contact and four examples of permissible contact. The former group includes Vikings linebacker Anthony Barr‘s hit on Aaron Rodgers from last season and Saints defensive lineman David Onyemata‘s hit on Buccaneers quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick from Week One, but neither group includes the hits by Packers linebacker Clay Matthews that have been major talking points over the last two weeks or other hits that have been subjects of debate.

The examples of permissible contact all include players making an effort to move their bodies to the side, which seems to fit with what Saints head coach and Competition Committee member Sean Payton said about the rule on Wednesday. Payton said the emphasis should be on whether players are acting “intentionally” and, like Vincent’s statement, he emphasized the need for consistency.

Assessing intent is not always an easy task, which may not do much to increase consistency but could lead to fewer penalties if officials hold their flags on all but the most blatant examples of roughing the passer.

63 responses to “Competition Committee: No changes to roughing rule or emphasis

  1. These first three weeks got everyone’s attention. The league was smart to get it out of the way early. Just play football. If you want to give the QB a little extra business, you’re getting a flag.

  2. I think it’s only natural for referees to have a bias against certain players. When Vontaze Burfict gets back from suspension, he’ll suffer from a few of these questionable calls. When Clay Matthews had that really stupid penalty that almost saved the game for the Bears, he got himself on the list and now when he hits the QB they’re going to flag it and say to themselves “there’s Clay doing dumb things again”. It’s only natural, but man is it hard to watch. I’d suggest that they just hit the QB as hard as possible and then slide down to the legs to wrap up. It’s terrible form, but it’s the only way to bring a guy down without a flag.

  3. “Competition Committee: No changes to roughing rule or emphasis.” And there’s no change in my refusal to watch NFL football. Every year I don’t think the product can get any worse, and every year the NFL owners and players prove me wrong.

  4. Of course no changes are going to be publicized but rather they will disseminate the change internally via memo. A change would indicate that the committee and by extension the NFL made a mistake, which in their twisted reality is much much worse than the actual impact the bad rule had in the early portion of this season.

  5. jm91rs says: “It’s terrible form, but it’s the only way to bring a guy down without a flag.”
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    Stop with the drama.

    There have been 242 sacks this year without a RTP penalty… Titans, 49ers, Raiders, Giants, Patriots, Dolphins, Chargers, Chiefs, Jaguars, Texans, Lions, Denver, Bears and Panthers have 0 RTP penalties. ZERO. Ravens, Bills, Browns, Colts, Rams, Eagles and the Redskins only have 1 RTP.

    Speaks more about an aging Clay Matthews not being able to get to the QB in time but still wanting to put a lick in…

  6. These rules changes and ridiculous amount of penalties are sure affecting my enjoyment of the game and viewing habits.

    I think the league should take note of what’s happening and why. Ratings and attendance will continue to trend south if they don’t stop tinkering with the game.

  7. Yeah I don’t get this at all. They are seemingly calling what they want, when they want. For example, the new helmet rule has barely been called at all. This is not because it isn’t happening. I have counted multiple instances of it every game I’ve watched, it’s happening because they are just seemingly not calling it. If you are going to have a penalty you either enforce it or you get rid of it. It leaves the door open for inconsistent application and inconsistent expectations from the players. As it stand with the current rules, it’s all just a big mess.

  8. Catch 22, they got it in for Clay…..he may as well give them what a real instructional RP call looks like.

  9. scrimshawturtle says: “And there’s no change in my refusal to watch NFL football.”
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    And yet here you are being one of the first to comment on an NFL-centric website.

    Strange how you don’t watch the game anymore, but care deeply enough to follow it here AND actually log in to post comments…

  10. If the NFL keeps calling it like this, they’re out of their minds. Even the Quarterbacks hate it.

    I actually did phase out MNF from my viewing schedule. Between the rambling commentary, penalties, and complete lack of flow to the game, I finally got pushed over the edge. Never thought it would happen. Thursday out, Monday out.

  11. Remember that one year…..when during the season all we did was debate the best teams, players, discuss great plays and just talk about the games?……………………………..yeah me neither!!

  12. The NFL is cutting their own throats and will only have themselves to blame when ratings and fan attendance is down.

  13. Aaron Donald penalized for tackling Derek Carr, who was holding the ball, around his ankles as he was pushed to the ground from behind by an OL. PENALTY

    Clay Matthews penalized for tackling Alex Smith, who was holding the ball, above his midsection. PENALTY

    Minnesota defender penalized for hitting and wrapping Aaron Rodgers who was finishing a throwing motion. PENALTY

    Clay Matthews penalized for hitting and wrapping Kirk Cousins who was in a throwing motion. PENALTY

    Gerald McCoy penalized for hitting chest to chest with Big Ben and not wrapping or driving to the ground as he was in the throwing motion. PENALTY

    So, basically:
    You cannot tackle the QB with the ball.
    You cannot tackle the QB low or high, before or after he releases the ball.
    You cannot hit even without wrapping or driving to the ground the QB during or immediately after the throwing motion.
    If the QB decides not to throw it he can continue to run once the defender decides to lay off and not get fined 20,000.00
    QB’s can fake like they’re going out of bounds and get every yard possible given that a hit even 1 step out at full speed would be a 20,000.00 fine.

    You cannot figure out what a catch is. You don’t allow players to tackle. You run the clock like a freshman B team game so you can fit more commercials in without extending the 3hr + view time. You don’t know what a horse collar really is. You call holding everytime a DL or LB falls down when getting owned by an OL. You throw a flag everytime there is a long run even if it has nothing to do with the play.

    The league doesn’t put out a good product and until we all just boycott ONE SINGLE GAME / ONE SINGLE WEEKEND nothing will change. They don’t deserve out money right now but we keep giving it to them. You’d be surprised how much power the consumer has. If we just had the discipline to turn it off one single time…..

  14. The over officiating of the rule will continue to have fans be less concerned of NFL on Sunday and when it causes teams to lose a game seats will be less and less used. You can get fantasy stats off the tube not in the stadium

  15. tinye67 says: “I think the league should take note of what’s happening and why. Ratings and attendance will continue to trend south if they don’t stop tinkering with the game.”
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    One problem… television ratings are up this year.

  16. akira1971 says:
    September 27, 2018 at 2:01 pm
    There have been 242 sacks this year without a RTP penalty… Titans, 49ers, Raiders, Giants, Patriots, Dolphins, Chargers, Chiefs, Jaguars, Texans, Lions, Denver, Bears and Panthers have 0 RTP penalties. ZERO. Ravens, Bills, Browns, Colts, Rams, Eagles and the Redskins only have 1 RTP.
    Speaks more about an aging Clay Matthews not being able to get to the QB in time but still wanting to put a lick in…
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    I disagree, and I hate the Packers. Those stats could say more about who the ref is in those games as well as perhaps those teams aren’t getting to the QB (I see you Raiders), or teams that they played have a good Oline, a mobile QB that avoids the rush, or just unloads the ball early. Too many variables to say that those teams are just better coached or tackle with the exact, non-weight bearing form each time.

  17. Great news for Ben Floppersberger! Get out there and practice your flops, bro. Big game coming up on Sunday.

  18. I can live with the RP penaties.

    BUT someone needs to also throw a flag on Jason Witten. Or better yet, just tie his hands so he can’t speak.

  19. then no changes to fans leaving the game in bunches, have to say for the first time in a long time I’m considering getting rid of my season tickets. While I understand the need for safety in the game, it just isn’t that enjoyable to watch anymore, better places to devote my time, energy, and money.

  20. “torgow says:
    September 27, 2018 at 2:11 pm
    If the NFL keeps calling it like this, they’re out of their minds. Even the Quarterbacks hate it.

    I actually did phase out MNF from my viewing schedule. Between the rambling commentary, penalties, and complete lack of flow to the game, I finally got pushed over the edge. Never thought it would happen. Thursday out, Monday out.”
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    This Monday was the first Monday night game I’ve watched this year. It was atrocious. The coverage felt like a preseason game. The analysts were talking over plays, not showing reviews, jumping away from the game as much as possible and really focusing very little on the game at hand. It was terrible. Weirdest, worst regular season broadcast I’ve watched.

  21. scrimshawturtle says:
    September 27, 2018 at 1:48 pm

    And there’s no change in my refusal to watch NFL football. Every year I don’t think the product can get any worse, and every year the NFL owners and players prove me wrong.

    +++++++

    How do you determine that when you aren’t watching football? Just curious.

  22. VIP on the swole says: “blah, blah, blah…”
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    There has been 242 QB sacks this year WITHOUT a penalty. Explain that.
    The NFL defines what a catch is. Basically, HOLD ONTO THE DAMN BALL.
    Not allowed to tackle? Seriously? Over 3 weeks, there has been 6,188 total tackles.
    Commercials are necessary evil if you want to watch it for free instead of paying game tickets.
    Total penalties called is in line with previous years at around 13 per game.

    Not a good product? The Dolphins, Chiefs, Ravens, Jaguars, Bengals, Eagles, Bucs, Saints, Panthers and the Rams might disagree with you.

  23. I didn’t expect there to be any changes. You can’t change the rules in the middle of the season without putting the credibility of that season at risk.

  24. I’m weaning myself off of the NFL. This is the first year with no NFL Sunday ticket. And not 1 dollar is going to the NFL – no jerseys, hats, clothing, anything. I watch maybe 2-3 games a week now and next year it’ll be 1 at most.

    The NFL USED TO BE GREAT but with player salaries (and attitudes) out of control, and no more tackling, flag football, etc., etc. I don’t enjoy this NEW NFL PRODUCT.

  25. hardheadedrb says: “I disagree, and I hate the Packers. Those stats could say more about who the ref is in those games as well as perhaps those teams aren’t getting to the QB (I see you Raiders), or teams that they played have a good Oline, a mobile QB that avoids the rush, or just unloads the ball early. Too many variables to say that those teams are just better coached or tackle with the exact, non-weight bearing form each time.”
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    Or they just take the Bill Belichick way. Whatever the rule is, you just work with it and coach it up. As long as it applies to BOTH teams, who cares.

  26. They call one of Clay’s hits “textbook” roughing but don’t include it on the video demonstrating what it is? Makes no sense.

  27. sheetolay says:
    September 27, 2018 at 2:04 pm
    Catch 22, they got it in for Clay…..he may as well give them what a real instructional RP call looks like.

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    You mean a leave your feet, helmet to helmet to the back of the head type hit? Yeah he did that week #1, maybe they wouldn’t have it out for him if he didn’t take cheap shots like that.

  28. Being the quarterback is a tough job but with that job comes some perks. The ladies flock to the quarterback in good times and bad times, the fans will treat you like a messiah as long as your winning. But with that job comes having to take the hits, its a part f the game. Football is suppose to be violent, and the quarterback is suppose to be punished for holding on to the ball too long, or offensive line mishaps. MAKE FOOTBALL VIOLENT AGAIN

  29. akira1971 says:
    September 27, 2018 at 2:01 pm

    Speaks more about an aging Clay Matthews not being able to get to the QB in time but still wanting to put a lick in…

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    We appreciate that this fits your narrative but Alex Smith still had the football. But keep trolling.

  30. johngaltwho says: “We appreciate that this fits your narrative but Alex Smith still had the football. But keep trolling.”
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    He was two steps late on Trubisky and Cousins. He’s also the one that creamed Kaepernick when he was already 4 steps out of bounds. He’s earned his rep as a great linebacker but also a bit of a headhunter too…

  31. Why are we talking about this and not the most egregious penalty in the game, the pass interference call? I’m not sure why coaches haven’t figured out to just chuck it down the field for 3 downs when there is a 25% that PI is going to get called? Do you know how many games Tom Brady has won doing this strategy? A TON.. That’s the rule that needs to be fixed.

  32. edelman2amendola says: “Football is suppose to be violent, and the quarterback is suppose to be punished for holding on to the ball too long, or offensive line mishaps. MAKE FOOTBALL VIOLENT AGAIN”
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    As noted earlier, there has been 242 sacks without a penalty this year. In three weeks, there has been 6,188 tackles. How is this not enough violence? Because snowflakes are complaining about just 34 RTP on how many quarterback dropbacks? NFL stats show 3,420 pass attempts. Barely just 1% of QB passing plays.

    Please, stop being drama queens.

  33. There are too changes. Each referee will carry 2 pillows with him and be require to throw them under the quarterbacks if they begin to fall down.

  34. BayAreaBrownsBacker says: “Why are we talking about this and not the most egregious penalty in the game, the pass interference call? I’m not sure why coaches haven’t figured out to just chuck it down the field for 3 downs when there is a 25% that PI is going to get called? Do you know how many games Tom Brady has won doing this strategy? A TON.. That’s the rule that needs to be fixed.”
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    You do know the NFL tracks these penalties, right? There’s only been 52 called this year on 3,430 pass plays. And most of them were undisputedly obvious calls. Regardless, that’s only 1.5%. Please stop with your nonsense.

  35. graphicwolf1art says:
    September 27, 2018 at 1:49 pm

    Vince…Maybe a great time to implement your own league.
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    Yep. Remember wen that football genius got rid of the kickoff and had two players run for the ball at the 50-yard line, dodge-ball style? What an innovator.

  36. cafetero1075 says:
    September 27, 2018 at 2:34 pm
    A chimpanzee can run the NFL and they would make billions. Executives only know how to ruin a good thing.

    No you couldn’t. Seriously, youse guys are like the dock workers who all believe they could be GM. 99% of the people here likely have never even been middle management. But yeah, you could all do better than the guys running a multi billion $ operation, cause it’s so easy a caveman could do it.

  37. BayAreaBrownsBacker says:
    September 27, 2018 at 3:36 pm
    Why are we talking about this and not the most egregious penalty in the game, the pass interference call? I’m not sure why coaches haven’t figured out to just chuck it down the field for 3 downs when there is a 25% that PI is going to get called? Do you know how many games Tom Brady has won doing this strategy? A TON.. That’s the rule that needs to be fixed.

    You’re thinking of Flacco. TB is never near the top of RTP or PI calls. Look it up or continue in ignorance.

  38. Thanks nothing!
    Except for ruining the game of football. Defense and hitting are not supposed to be dirty words in football. This is not the NBA, soccer or badminton, for goodness sakes let them play and stop tying defensive players hands behind their backs.

  39. Good. They can’t change the rules after the season has started. How would you like it if they changed the rules in your fantasy league after the first game? Didn’t think so.

  40. Great, we get to hear Clay Matthews whine some more about the rule the was created as a result of his smug QB getting jacked up last year. They can commiserate when they make their next commercial together

  41. i think People forgot this is not new. The last time 4 roughing passer penalty’s were called in a game was 2001 before this past Monday’s game. Anyone who says this guy or that guy gets the calls. check facts before putting fake stuff out there. People say Brady gets all the calls. He has not got any of the Roughing calls yet this year it true look it up.

  42. Glad the NBA is around the corner! The NFL is a complete joke. It’s not even real football anymore. After my NFL Game Pass expire this year, I’m done with em!!

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