Jared Goff, franchise quarterback

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When the Eagles and the Rams got together last December, the consensus was that the second pick in the 2016 draft (Carson Wentz) had become a franchise quarterback, and that the first pick in the 2016 (Jared Goff) hadn’t. This morning, and in light of the injury suffered by Wentz in that game from last December, would anyone take Wentz over Goff?

And don’t give me the “Goff has Sean McVay” nonsense. Wentz has Doug Pederson. Most franchise quarterbacks enjoy above average to great coaching. And that helps franchise quarterbacks become even greater.

What football witnessed last night from Goff was greatness.

“I think just a comfort level,” McVay told reporters after the 38-31 win over Minnesota. “I think he’s got such a great command right now and you know he’s intentional about getting better. [Quarterbacks coach] Zac Taylor has done a great job with him. Really just having him make sure that he has an ownership of the game plan, understands what we’re trying to get done and you know that constant dialogue, that communication that we talk about being on the same page. At the end of the day I think he’s just thrown the ball extremely well. When things are in rhythm he’s been outstanding, giving guys a chance to run after the catch. Then you look at a couple of plays where we ended up running some bootlegs. He’s going to his left, getting his shoulders around, hitting [Brandin] Cooks in stride, hitting Robert Woods, so there’s a handful of plays that he made tonight that are just a great player making great plays, but then also when things were there in rhythm I thought he was outstanding.”

Goff, a mild-mannered, soft-spoken gunslinger who will rip out the heart of a defense and show it to them, was mild-mannered and soft spoken after he ripped out the heart of the Vikings defense and showed it to them.

“It felt pretty good all night,” Goff said after the win that moved his team to 4-0. “I thought we did a great job protecting, as we’ve done most of the season this year and, really, all of the season this year. Just keeping me upright and anytime that happens, we’ve got such good guys on the outside and try to get the ball in their hands and let them make plays. Tonight, we were able to do that.”

On one of the most impressive throws anyone will make — a pigskin through the eye of a needle touchdown throw to Cooper Kupp — Goff was humble.

“You know, kind of taking a little bit of a chance there and got away with it, but that’s what happens when you’ve got good players,” Goff said. “I trust Cooper [Kupp] and he ran right through it. Wasn’t sure if he was in bounds or not, but he made a good catch on it. I think that just shows kind of my trust in him.”

Every year, Goff has gotten better. Every week this season, Goff has gotten better. And the Rams have gotten better. Last night, he generated the oddly-precise perfect passer rating of 158.3, completing 26 of 43 throws for 465 yards, five touchdowns, and no interceptions.

And it actually looked like Goff would do even better than that, based on the first half of the game. He finished the second quarter with 251 yards and four touchdowns, putting him in position to challenge the all-time single-game yardage record (554 from former Rams quarterback Norm Van Brocklin, in 1951) and the all-time single-game passing touchdown record (seven, from multiple players).

It looked a lot like the football equivalent of the basketball team that used to play in the venue located near the team’s new stadium in Inglewood.

“I don’t know,” Goff told reporters after the game with a laugh. “I wasn’t alive.”

He is now, and what a time it is to be alive and be an NFL fan. There’s a golden age of young quarterbacks, from Goff to Wentz to Patrick Mahomes to Baker Mayfield to Josh Allen to Sam Darnold to Deshaun Watson to Josh Rosen (maybe) to Lamar Jackson (maybe) to Dak Prescott (maybe) to whoever else keeps emerging from a pipeline that is suddenly bubbling more crude than Jed Clampett’s back 40.

93 responses to “Jared Goff, franchise quarterback

  1. Goff played like Nick Foles in a Super Bowl last night.
    But seriously, Goff was great last year too.
    The Rams were scary last year too.
    People didn’t want to believe it apparently.

  2. McVay! Man D.C. had him in-house. That guy is going to be a really good coach in years to come. Goff playing out of his mind.

  3. Goff was lighting it up last night, Kirk Cousins was as well. Jared Goff is looking like the real deal, and the rest of the Rams look like they did on paper before the season started, that d line with Suh and Donald is looking as advertised and they’re gonna wreak havoc on the leauge this year. The Rams are gonna be tough to beat.

  4. Goff is progressing like he should. Wentz hit the ground running and looked to be improving much faster, but he got hurt. No need to worry about it, because Wentz is still progressing too. Both QBs have very high potential and will most likely be the upper echelon of the QBs in the league when Brady, Rogers, Brees, etc all retire.
    In fact, they might be the new “Who’s better, Rogers or Brady” Debate.

  5. I love how Jeff Fisher got totally dissed without mentioning his name by one of the announcers. (I was tired and forgot which).

    Cousins really does need to step up in the pocket. That’s (great) QBing 101. He steps up twice in that game and they might have won.

  6. “There’s a golden age of young quarterbacks, from Goff to Wentz to Patrick Mahomes to Baker Mayfield to Josh Allen to Sam Darnold to Deshaun Watson to Josh Rosen (maybe) to Lamar Jackson (maybe) to Dak Prescott (maybe)…”
    ————
    The only QBs listed you can count on are Wentz and Goff. Dak has shown himself to be average at best and Watson needs to show more than half of a great rookie season.

    Mayfield has played just over a half, Mahomes 4 games, Darnold 3, Rosen and Jackson 0….No doubt a couple of these guys will be out of the league in a few years (just as as every draft class goes). We just dont know which ones yet. Some may be great…but to call it a golden age due to the potential of these guys who havent played more than a few games is ridiculous.

  7. Goff is great but let us never forget based on what he’s done over the last year and change what a horrible coach Jeff Fisher was.

  8. I’m an eagles fan and I thought he was likely a franchise qb by the time we played them late in the year last year. He was playing great. He didn’t have the magical plays wentz had but I definitely felt highly of him esp considering he magically escaped Jeff fisher

  9. I’m not going to lie, I thought he was going to be a total bust. He’s proved me wrong.

    However, at the same time…..so little defense is even played in this league anymore that it’s very very conducive for basically any QB to have considerable success.

  10. Wait … are you saying the MVP before injury is not as good as Goff? You do realize Wentz was better…and Goff has had an offseason to prepare and improve and play in games…and Wentz has not…so …are you saying that Wentz is not as good as Goff? Because if you are…you are wrong. Goff also has a super defense giving him more opportunities…and even with that last year Wentz was playing better….

  11. It’s great to see the Rams scouting department at work. They did their homework on Goff before selecting him and now that homework is paying off. Now, if they would just wear the simple white and blue of the 1960s Rams, I’d be in heaven!

  12. Im ready for the old guard to start retiring, names wont be mentioned, and the new guard to start making names for themselves. There are some good young bunch of QBs that could be this generations Elway, Marino, or even Brady and Montana.
    I think now what the league needs most is more good coaches. I dont see many new coaches that are all that good.

  13. The funny part is, for YEARS all we heard about from the “experts” was Andrew Luck as the next Chosen One. Now most of us wouldn’t trade Wentz, Goff, Mayfield, Mahomes, Darnold, Watson, or even Allen for him. Just again goes to show, its all a crapshoot

  14. I think it safe to remove Dak Prescott from the Golden Age discussion. The one year he looked good, he had a good offensive line & running game, therefore he was able to look better than he actually is. He is a game manager at best and not even a good one from what he showed last year and this year so far.

  15. People can call Goff a system QB all they want, but there aren’t many quarterbacks that could constantly make the throws that Goff was making last night even going back to last week. From hitting Kupp in stride on his 1st touchdown, to the absolutely beautiful placed ball to Kupp in the back of the endzone over two defenders, the deep ball to Cooks, and the TD to Woods. Then last week the throw to Higbee against the sideline over the defender, the perfectly placed ball last week to Woods against the sideline between two defenders.

  16. Actual Truth is the League has changed a LOT. Every QB is putting up big numbers. can’t tell the difference between WR 20 and WR 50 in the WR Rankings from week to week. it’s a joke that average QB’s are putting up 300 and 400 yd games on a regular basis. Over 500 yds in a SB by the losing QB seriously?? Goff is good you still need talent and competence but the numbers are really over the top

  17. NFL spells no defense except for those two Pa. teams. Jacksonville plays defense until it gets cold. Chicago is a one man show. Titans are about to be exposed.

  18. Overreact much? Goff is good for sure, but something tells me all you did was look at the stat line. He made a few beautiful throws but the Vikings forgot to show up last night and they sure forgot to actually cover the receivers. Guys were WIDE open, even PFT could have made those throws.

  19. Not much relevance to the question. Any team would be happy with either Wentz or Goff. Neither has a glaring weakness and you can win with both.

  20. I’m absolutely dying laughing at this line…… “Goff, a mild-mannered, soft-spoken gunslinger who will rip out the heart of a defense and show it to them, was mild-mannered and soft spoken after he ripped out the heart of the Vikings defense and showed it to them.”

  21. When he was drafted I told people I was ok with either Wentz or Goff coming to my Eagles. Goff was tough to take such a beating at Cal and he still thrived. I just personally liked Wentz’s physical attributes and intangibles better. Glad they’re both doing well. Can’t wait until they go head to head. Should be good.

  22. bworacle says:
    September 28, 2018 at 8:09 am
    Just proves that Jeff Fisher teams are where QBs go to kill their careers. Helps to have a coach who knows offense.
    —‘
    I always wonder how great Steve McNair would have been if he had a better coach. He went from Air McNair in college where he passed for a ton of yards to a good QB that I think too many hits in the NFL. A better coach would have design plays that helped him evolve into an elite passer. But Fisher seemed ok with bland offenses that forced a big strapping McNair to be essentially a physical running back. Speaking of running backs Fisher ran Eddie George into the ground with his bland 400+ carries a season run up the gut offense. Eddie averaged 3.9 carries per carry for his career but he was a better back than that. Gurley was headed down the same path before Fisher got fired.

  23. How about this “golden” age of QB’s win some championships first?
    Only one who’s contributed to one is Wentz.

  24. dklewand says:
    September 28, 2018 at 8:34 am
    The funny part is, for YEARS all we heard about from the “experts” was Andrew Luck as the next Chosen One. Now most of us wouldn’t trade Wentz, Goff, Mayfield, Mahomes, Darnold, Watson, or even Allen for him. Just again goes to show, its all a crapshoot

    Spoken like someone who doesnt know sports, you do know injuries happen right. Just like you listed all these QB’s any of them can suffer a serious injury like Luck did. The book on Luck is not done yet, clearly he is still recovering and hopefully we get to see good QB play from him as well.

  25. I would take Wentz over Goff. Let’s see what Goff does in December, against a defense that can cover guys. I will say that Goff looked great last night. But he had a clean pocket and guys were wide open. Let’s see him battle-tested before casting a bust for Canton.

  26. Color me impressed. I admit I was a doubter, but the kid has really come along. Rams fans have a lot to be excited about.

  27. Let’s wait until he wins a playoff game or two before showering him
    with all these accolades. Anyway something about the Rams makes me think they won’tt fulfill their potential this season.

  28. Both Wentz and Goff are good QBs. Whichever one you would pick, he isn’t light years better than the other. Personally I’d take Wentz, but I wouldn’t ever imply that it isn’t even close. Goff’s good, too.

  29. He looks great until you have to pay him. If they have any money left in 2 years time. It’s win now or go home. LA will be in such a cap space hell for many years to come.

  30. Really has nothing to do with Wentz or Goff, but seeing Suh sack Cousins in the 4th to bring up a 4th down, Suh and two other dudes danced like 20 yards down the field. I’m surprised teams don’t have a call to hurry to the line and snap it. That’s an easy penalty in a tight game.

  31. The Vikings defense is trash. How does the supposed “best defense in the NFL” give up so many points and a perfect QB rating?

  32. hailtothenamechange says:
    September 28, 2018 at 9:35 am
    The narrative has been that there aren’t enough good QBs to go around but that’s stale now. There’s not a single team with en exactly bad QB situation or one without hope.
    ———–
    I can only think of 1, the Giants.

  33. Before the Goff-Wentz draft many “experts” were saying that they weren’t nearly has good as Mariota-WInston. LOL. Then alot of “experts” called Goff a bust when the poor guy was playing for Fisher and an elevated Tight Ends coach as OC. LOL. This is why people should let it play out a bit before annointing someone or labeling them a bust! Goff is the REAL deal, and humble to boot. Wentz is great too. Great draft class!

  34. lastl00 says:
    September 28, 2018 at 10:00 am
    Before the Goff-Wentz draft many “experts” were saying that they weren’t nearly has good as Mariota-WInston. LOL. Then alot of “experts” called Goff a bust when the poor guy was playing for Fisher and an elevated Tight Ends coach as OC. LOL. This is why people should let it play out a bit before annointing someone or labeling them a bust! Goff is the REAL deal, and humble to boot. Wentz is great too. Great draft class!
    —-

    I forgot about that. Yes, you’re right – it was a bad year to draft a QB early.. lol

  35. rageviral says:
    September 28, 2018 at 8:59 am

    Mariota will rise above all of them.
    ——-

    As a Titan fan, I can tell you that Mariota can barely rise out of bed in the morning, let alone rise above the best in the game. Mariota is an average/above average QB that can’t stay healthy to save his life. The Titans picked up his 5th year option, so he’ll be back next year, but you can fully expect to see Jon Robinson go after a QB in the draft next year.

  36. jdreed68 says:
    September 28, 2018 at 8:03 am

    In fact, they might be the new “Who’s better, Rogers or Brady” Debate.
    ——————-

    Is that even a debate?

  37. savethebs says:
    September 28, 2018 at 9:59 am

    The rule changes in recent years have really helped young QBs. That’s why you’re seeing so many good ones.
    ——————

    That, or they’re better than the mediocre ones we’ve been watching for years.

  38. We all know that Goff is great at everything qb wise, when NOT under pressure. When he Wins a game of football against a team who truely brings pressure all day.
    I Will take a seat on The bandwagon.

  39. themediaisdumberthandirt says:
    September 28, 2018 at 8:43 am
    Overreact much? Goff is good for sure, but something tells me all you did was look at the stat line. He made a few beautiful throws but the Vikings forgot to show up last night and they sure forgot to actually cover the receivers. Guys were WIDE open, even PFT could have made those throws.

    ___

    LOL. Did you watch the game? 4 of the 5 TD passes were extremely tight window throws.

  40. Please give Goff Manny, Moe and Jack as WRs and RBs and then please ask if he’s a Franchise QB. Wentz will prove it…again…this year.

    Is Goff a better passer…sure…when he has 39 seconds to scan the field. You apply pressure to him and its happy feet and sideline throws.

    Please see Wentz last week, coming off a bum wheel, before you write another word.

    If Gurley blows a knee or Kupp gets hurt for an extended period, Goff becomes average, at best.

  41. Second best system QB in the league. Let’s see what he does after defensive coordinators catch up to McVay’s system.

  42. charliecharger says:
    September 28, 2018 at 8:12 am
    But we keep hearing every year around draft time that it’s a weak QB class. Do we believe our eyes or our ears?

    Actually no we don’t. This year’s class was compared to ’83 because it had 5 QBs go in the first 10 picks. Fallacious logic because it doesn’t mean any of them are going to be any good. But even if they did say it was a weak class, or you really going to challenge that with a 3 game sample size? Goff has history, Wentz has history. Rest of these guys? None. Too early to say either way.

  43. This just goes to show that QBs are not robots. They progress at different stages and rates. It also helps tremendously WHO coaches them (Fisher LOL). Clearly Goff wasn’t ready as a rookie but the team saw great potential in him to take him #1 overall. Those who are impatient and write off players in their rookie year need to check themselves and eat a big plate of crow.

  44. It’s good when a QB who was the #1 overall pick actually plays up to that. Way too many busters taken in the Top 5 over the years so when a kid actually pans out and turns a franchise around, it’s a welcome sight.

  45. danishram says:
    September 28, 2018 at 11:00 am
    We all know that Goff is great at everything qb wise, when NOT under pressure. When he Wins a game of football against a team who truely brings pressure all day.
    I Will take a seat on The bandwagon.

    _______________________

    in 2017 Goff was the NFL’s best passer “under pressure”, he has been one of the best so far this year too, so you’re statement doesn’t hold up at all

  46. The NFL has to be ecstatic after last night. With Brady, Brees, Manning, Big Ben, Rogers, Flacco all getting older they now have some young QBs that can carry the league – Goff and Mahomes are taking over, we’ll see how Wentz, Watson and Garoppolo deal with comebacks, and can’t wait to see how Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Allen all pan out.

  47. Goff showed last night he is probably the better pure passer. His touch on some of those throws was incredible. Wentz is the more dynamic QB with his mobility and athleticism. Bottom line – you couldn’t go wrong with either one.

  48. >raiderston says:
    September 28, 2018 at 9:42 am
    He looks great until you have to pay him. If they have any money left in 2 years time. It’s win now or go home. LA will be in such a cap space hell for many years to come.

    The salary cap keeps going up by approximately $10M/yr. In 3-years the cap will have grown by around $30M… coincidentally about the same amount it will take to sign Goff. The Rams already have Donald signed for 7 more years, Cooks for 6, Gurley for 5, Woods for 4, Kupp for 3, Havenstein for 3, Talib & Peters for 2, Whitworth 1, and Sullivan for 1. They’re already working on Peters extension AND… the team has the most salary cap space in the league for the 2020 season.

    People who keep commenting about the Rams getting into salary cap Hell are the same people who haven’t spent any time actually looking into their cap situation. The Rams are fine cap wise and they’re locking up all their young 25-years & under core talent for many years to come. Like it or not, the Rams are being built to win now and into the future.

    I guess as a Raiders fan who lost Mack because his own team wouldn’t or couldn’t pay him I can see how the Rams handling of their salary cap could be confusing.

  49. >patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    September 28, 2018 at 11:40 am
    Second best system QB in the league. Let’s see what he does after defensive coordinators catch up to McVay’s system.

    Teams have close to 5-years of tape on McVays offense as it is and couldn’t be further away from “catching up” to McVays’s system. There’s 3-years of tape from his offense in Washington and now we’re going on 2-years in Los Angeles. The difference is, now we’re seeing what McVay’s offense can do with ELITE players in it.

  50. Really? That quick to chose Goff over Wentz? Look, they both appear to be very talented and good young QB’s, but at this point I believe it is save to say that given their complete NFL body of work, Wentz is the better QB. Again, they are both young and we don’t know what the future holds, but Wentz seems to be a better all around QB and has a natural ability to find ways to win. You can’t coach that. I just think that at this point in time, you would have to chose Wentz. We will see what happens in the future , but to insinuate that a team would be crazy right now to take Wentz over Goff is just insane. And let’s let things play out a little longer and see where these two guys go. I believe they will both have successful careers as long as they avoid injury. Right now Goff has been put in a better position that Wentz with the players around him. The Eagles are playing with a injured and crippled team right now. I’m interested to see how Wentz bounces back from his injury , and how he is able to manage the offense and put it all together as he gets more comfortable playing and as the Eagles injured offense starts getting healthy again.

  51. Goff and wentz are going to be dueling it out over the next decade or so (barring God forbid career changing injury)as the top qbs in NFL. #1 & 2 picks….as a fa

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