Patrick Mahomes, franchise quarterback

AP

Week Four began with Rams quarterback Jared Goff making it clear that, yes, he’s a franchise quarterback. Week Four ended with Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes making it clear that, yes, he’s a franchise quarterback, too.

Mahomes led the Chiefs back from a 10-point, fourth-quarter deficit with a cool head, nimble feet, a razor-sharp eye for who is and isn’t open, and an uncanny ability to deliver the ball with just the right velocity and touch to keep drives going — despite whatever adversity he may be facing. He’s so smooth that he at one point threw the ball left handed, and it took ESPN a full 30 seconds to realize what they’d just witnessed.

Everyone who has witnessed Mahomes this year knows what he can do. Against a championship-caliber defense in their own building with a stadium that was shaking and without field-stretching wideout Sammy Watkins, Mahomes got it done, engineering a pair of touchdown drives despite leading the team to only one through most of the game.

The numbers weren’t spectacular — 28 of 45 for 304 yards and a touchdown pass — but the outcome was. A team that had been running away from every team they faced found itself in a hole, and Mahomes put them on his back and pulled them out of it.

Yes, it helps to have Andy Reid and Eric Bieniemy dialing things up. It helps to have Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill, and Travis Kelce to help move the chains. But Mahomes is the straw that stirred the scotch and soda, only 14 days past his 23rd birthday but playing like a guy who’s been doing it for more than a decade.

He’ll be doing it for much more than a decade in Kansas City, and the Chiefs will contend in every game and every season of his career, as long as he can stay healthy.

The golden age of young franchise quarterbacks is here, and the Chiefs have one of the very best. Get used to seeing those red helmets in prime time for the foreseeable future, because Mahomes makes every game exciting, whether early in the game or late.

Meanwhile, every G.M. who passed on Mahomes had better start preparing the list of excuses as to why they didn’t pounce on the chance to get him. And Browns fans should be happy that they’ve got the guy running their team who realized what Mahomes can do, jumping up 17 spots to get him, even with Alex Smith entrenched as the starter.

The countdown continues to November 19, when folks in Mexico City will be treated to the first match between Mahomes and Goff. They already feel destined to meet in one or more Februarys.

144 responses to “Patrick Mahomes, franchise quarterback

  1. Patrick Mahomes, Franchise Quarterback. Uh, yeah we fans in KC knew this last year..we were waiting for this to happen for DECADES and now FINALLY it’s here.

  2. He looks great but let’s give it time.

    NFL looks a little ridiculous and is certainly following NBA mentality. Mahomes leads KC to 13 points in 45+ min and 14 in less than 7m? Prevent defense?

  3. That ESPN team is unwatchable. I know people say this sort of thing all the time, but jeez, that was terrible. Mahomes had a great game, but if I wanted to hear his name a quartermillion times plus an obvious observation from Hoverchair Boogie, I would have just bought an ESPN package from the cable company.

    Joe Tessitore is not so bad, and I love Jason Witten as a person, but man that production is just grating on my ears.

  4. Not his best game statistically but his most impressive win. 4th quarter comeback on the road against a division opponent. The chiefs have a chance to be outstanding because they have a quarterback on a rookie deal. Go get a shut down corner. As good as the chiefs are on offense they aren’t doing anything special with that defense.

  5. “Mahomes led the Broncos back from a 10-point, fourth-quarter deficit”
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    Why would he want to do that? He plays for the Chiefs.

  6. As a longtime chiefs fan I almost have to lie to myself about what I’m seeing happen with him in KC. I can’t believe we have a QB capable of winning the way he did tonight. I also don’t think I’ve ever seen the crowd that rowdy, they were a force.

  7. Very nice of Florio to call the Broncos ‘a championship-caliber defense’…but that horse left the barn long ago when Elway wouldn’t cough up the money for Wade Phillips, traded Aqib Talib and instead brought in a coaching staff lead by an inept buffoon who should be coaching Pop Warner. Oh and our GM traded up for a franchise QB too… I believe he is transitioning for his new career as a stock boy at Cracker Barrel in Memphis.

    Kudos to Mahomes and the Chiefs from this Denver fan- very impressive. You won’t have to worry about Denver threatening you anytime soon as long as they leave Elway in charge.

  8. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard GM’s making excuses about colleges not preparing QB’s for the NFL. There are more great young QB’s playing today than at any time I can remember. Guys that have just come into the league in the last 3-4 years. Why would a team pay $20 million a year for a proven mediocre QB? That’s what a lot of teams did this off-season, and their fans should be livid.

  9. Jiminy Christmas, we’re already putting Goff v Mahomes in a Super Bowl?

    Look, some QBs are franchise/HOF QBs. Doesn’t mean they translate to January/February. People tell me Aaron Rodgers May be the greatest QB ever. Will probably end his career w 1 Super Bowl. Yes, it was a win, and good for him, and he will have many records. but post-season will not be kind to him. Or Brees. Or Matt Ryan. Or Marino. Or other franchise QBs we can all think of.

    Takes much, much more than a hot-slinging QB to win one.

  10. This kid has Vick type velocity and release paired with great accuracy. It even looks more effortless than Favre and Rodgers at the release point. He can get it outta there.

  11. Mahomes looks great so far but let’s calm down just a bit. If he’s still consistently looking this good midway through his second year as a starter, then I’ll believe he’s a true franchise QB. Once all the defensive coordinators in the league have an entire offseason to dissect what Mahomes has put on tape and scheme against it, we’ll see if he’s still as effective.

    We’ve seen this show many times over the years (Vince Young, RGIII, Dak Prescott, Kaepernick, etc.)

  12. ak185 says:
    October 1, 2018 at 11:48 pm
    That ESPN team is unwatchable. I know people say this sort of thing all the time, but jeez, that was terrible. Mahomes had a great game, but if I wanted to hear his name a quartermillion times plus an obvious observation from Hoverchair Boogie, I would have just bought an ESPN package from the cable company.

    Joe Tessitore is not so bad, and I love Jason Witten as a person, but man that production is just grating on my ears.
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    Yeah that was a pretty rough broadcast, I heard “Showtime Mahomes” way more than I needed to

  13. Franchise?
    Maybe this week.

    “Alright crown their Azz!!

    Derek Carr just did the same, is he getting those accolades?

    Go ahead Chiefs, go 8-0 then tank like always

  14. As a Bronco realist the good news is the team will once again have a free flight when they travel this Sunday. You know cause of all the frequent flyer milage the fly for free zone has given out this year. I’ll take one legged Talib and Earl “The Finger” Thomas over this secondary any day. Nice win KC, Denver ahhhhh nice uniforms, I dont know I got nothing on that end

  15. And Keenum’s last drive is why the Vikes let him walk. Yes, he can come up with some awesome plays, but then he follows it up with overthrowing an open receiver who could have scored the game-winning touchdown.

    Don’t get me wrong. Mahomes looks like the real deal. Very impressed with him.

  16. Yes he looks great right now … lets see once they have enough film of him and figure him out and if he can adjust to it.

  17. Jaguars 31
    Chiefs 24

    Calling it rite now. Jaguars will go into K C and hand the Chiefs their first loss, Jags , the NFL’s Best Defense and Bortles will do just enough to slow down the Chiefs at arrowhead … Book it Baby !!!

    #SaxsonvilleAllDayLong

  18. Man, the commentating on ESPN has to change. Mahomes is great but I don’t need to hear it 5 billion times. Great game minus the broadcast

  19. Easy big fella. It’s only four games against a few very average defenses.

    I do recall, your colleague, Peter King, anoint then HC Josh McDaniels, a ‘genius’ after his first four games. And let’s not forget about Colin Kaepernick.

  20. I’m absolute 100 percent believer in Mahomes, but as a DC native I remember all too well being a 100 percent believer another “franchise quarterback for the next decade” who also made the unbelievable look effortless on national television. Basically, I’m psyched to watch Mahomes lengthy career, and wish him the best of luck, but be careful about anointing these guys too early.

  21. Edward Halverson says:
    October 1, 2018 at 11:55 pm
    It’s early, but he looks a little like Goff! 🙂

    He is incredible.
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    Might be before your time, but the only guy Mahomes resembles now – is John Elway, circa 1983-1992

    (without the interceptions)

  22. Patrick’s left-handed pass to Tyreek reminded me of Michael Jordan at first wanting to dunk the basketball, but then in mid air switching the ball from his right hand to his left for the layup. Amazing.

  23. How many great QBs has Elway missed on, by mis evaluating draft prospects?? That is what you get when you anoint a guy a GM with absolutely no personnel experience, simply because he was a great player

  24. Except ESPN is reporting that the key 35 yard completion that put the ball on the Broncos 11 at the 2 minute warning was hiked well after the play clock struck 00.

    A charmed second season. Controversial help from the refs. Souns like anyone else’s career?

    Are we witnessing the birth of the next Tom Brady … only with offensive weapons?

  25. You’re not a franchise quarterback until you can take your team to the Conference Championship game when your starting wide receivers are Willie Davis and JJ Birden and your starting tight end is Jonathan Hayes. Remember this.

  26. “Jiminy Christmas, we’re already putting Goff v Mahomes in a Super Bowl?”

    Well they are the two best looking teams this year…

  27. …and Case Keenum still is not & that throw down the sideline to demariyus thomas to win the game is probably why overrated Kirk Cousins is in Minnesota. That throw was wide open.

  28. ak185…I agree with you about having to listen to that broadcast. I had to go pick up my son during the 2nd quarter and the radio broadcast was so refreshing. Kevin Harlan and Kurt Warner were really good. From now on, I’ll turn the tv sound off and listen to the radio.

  29. People thought RG3 was a franchise QB after 4 starts….and Josh Freeman…

    Winning sin September is a little different than in January, Reid knows that better than anyone. Let’s let it all play out before we announce that Mahomes is the greatest of all time.

  30. I’ve been a Chiefs fan for 50 years and as much as I hate the Broncos I applaud you Bronco fans for the great comments on Mahomes. I hated Elway, he did to the Chiefs many times what Mahomes did to the Broncos last night. I have to admit tho Elway was a great QB.

  31. He looks like the real deal, but I am going to reserve full judgement until we have more than 5 games worth of data. All too often NFL “experts” call a QB, WR, or RB franchise, elite, etc. and we find out it isn’t the case.

  32. Relax. He’s only played four games. Excuse me for being skeptical but Reid has made plenty of Qharterbacks look better than they are. Anyone remover Alex Smith lighting up the scoreboards? Two years ago Houston thought Watson was a franchise QB now we aren’t so sure.

  33. “it took ESPN a full 30 seconds to realize what they’d just witnessed”

    Love the subtle shade.

  34. Kudos to Mahomes for taking advantage of Vance Joseph’s lack of coaching skills. Mahomes carried the team out of the 10-point hole. Total stud.

    On a side note, Denver was averaging 7.2 yards per carry and never thought to keep pounding away on the ground. Vance Joseph can’t coach his way out of a wet paper bag.

  35. So glad that there is a new class of quality QBs playing in the NFL now. If you had your franchise guy about 10 years ago, you were set. If not, you had to pick from the same garbage heap that has been circulating the league for years now. It’s refreshing to see new competition.

  36. We like to say “give defensive coordinators time” meaning they’ll figure out how to slow him down. They might need more time than usual. Denver did a decent job in coverage and pressure – and he still made the big plays.

    Now we see why Baker Mayfield wasn’t the starter at Texas Tech.

  37. As an EAGLES fan I am happy for Kansas City my 2nd favorite team. Thank God the Giants or Dallas didi not get him.

  38. I remember his dad’s ”Chris Berman” nickname when he was an MLB pitcher like it was yesterday. One of the better ones…

    Pat (I’m getting closer to) Mahomes

  39. That guy is fun to watch as is Hunt!! I hate the RPO, especially when you can effortlessly throw it 65 yards but dude is 23 – wow. Loved that roll out, left hander for a first down – Von Miller went to the side line and started to reflect on life. LOL he was staring, thinking what the heck just happened?

  40. Didn’t you say a couple years ago Prescott was the next big thing? Now he’s lucky to throw for 200 yards and without Elliot he’d look like Brady Quinn. Let’s give him more than 4 games before you decide he’s the greatest ever.

  41. And Browns fans should be happy that they’ve got the guy running their team who realized what Mahomes can do
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    We are, and we know. Go Browns! Congrats KC!

  42. 8oneanddones says:
    October 1, 2018 at 11:45 pm
    He’s like Elway, only faster and with a stronger arm. Amazing.
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    Stronger arm than Elway… Wow, isn’t that something?!

  43. Can we at least wait until the same team has seen him twice? and has even a little bit of tape to study?
    Could still turn into the biggest bust since RGIII, no one knows yet.

  44. Member Trevor Simien?

    The best part of the MNF broadcast last night was when they talked up Case Keenum as DEN franchise QB. Yeah, I’m sure DEN won’t be drafting a QB the next 2 drafts.

    Dennis Miller would be an upgrade over Witten and whomever the other dude calling the game is, not to mention having to look at McFarlane’s fingers every 10 minutes. Yikes.

  45. 8oneanddones says:
    October 1, 2018 at 11:45 pm
    He’s like Elway, only faster and with a stronger arm. Amazing.

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    Elway was an interception machine.

  46. They’re all “Franchise Quarterbacks” until teams get a few games of tape on them.

    Does the formerly undefeated starting QB in SF, Jimmy Garoppolo, ring a bell?

  47. ESPN needs to know that I muted their broadcast and listened on the radio. Even though the radio was 20 seconds behind the video broadcast it was still preferable to hearing that god-awful mess.
    Joe is decent but Booger and Witten need to go!!

  48. He’s played four games this season. If he keeps this up for the whole season and deep into the post season and starts off next season the same way then yes you have a franchise QB.

  49. Whoa! Pump the brakes a little bit, especially when claiming he will be exceedingly awesome for a decade or more. He has been great, and may continue to be great. But, many players have looked great for a few games and then either settled into an average career, or been derailed by injuries or other factors out of their control. You even mentioned that he didn’t look great for most of the game. If the Broncos were able to slow him for much of the game, it is entirely possible that other teams could do the same. This isn’t to claim he stinks, as he has looked great. But, let’s throttle back a little and let things play out.

  50. aarons444 says:
    October 2, 2018 at 9:12 am
    Elway was an interception machine.
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    But somehow managed 3 Super Bowls with a dog cr@p offense and average defenses..

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    Elway’s completion percentage of 57% ranks above average all-time. He has a lot less interceptions than Marino too.

  51. May as well just induct him into the hall of fame now. Let’s induct RG3 and Kaepernick too. They had a few good games in their first year as well. Now look at them, leading teams to Superbowls, perennial pro bowl selections….oh wait

  52. The overhype on this kid is comical, lets give it sometime. Ryan leaf was also great after 4 games too.
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    568 yards, 1 td, 8 picks… 32.1 rating.

    Leaf was a bust from the very beginning.

  53. “The numbers weren’t spectacular — 28 of 45 for 304 yards and a touchdown pass.” – I feel sad that this is somehow not considered spectacular anymore…

  54. Let’s wait and see how the season plays out before we crown Patrick Mahomes the next Joe Montana. I recall all of the accolades Colin Kaepernick received (deserving)when he helped the Niners reach the SB. He looked great that season and in my opinion as good or even better than Mahomes. Well we all know of course how that ended. The same can be said of the Andy Reid and the Chiefs in general.

  55. ESPN needs to know that I muted their broadcast and listened on the radio.
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    Love Harlan. Not a fan of Warner….. they would crush the ESPN tv crew.

  56. Not trying to compare him to any QB that has played over a long period of time or anyone that has already retired, but my goodness this kid can play. He’s creative, instinctive, and poised. Atleast he’s shown that so far in the few games that he’s played. The challenge is going to be for him is once Defensive Coordinators have enough tape on him to show his tendencies in certain situations its going to be harder for Mahomes to keep producing the way he has. He’s off to an amazing start.

  57. The Denver defense is not “championship quality”. It’s a shell of it’s former self. Mahomes has been awesome but you saw in the first half that he’s human and can be contained.

  58. Starting out of the gate fast.

    Let’s slow down the whole Franchise QB discussion until he has a season under his belt and the defenses of the league get some film on him. Amazing how many HOF QB’s have been annointed by the media and turned to dust after a few years.

    Plus with Florio giving him this wonderful endorsement, he also just got the kiss of death 🙂

  59. Relax. He’s only played four games. Excuse me for being skeptical but Reid has made plenty of Qharterbacks look better than they are.
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    Fair enough..

    But just for the record; what were people saying about Kurt Warner after his first 4 games in 1999???..

    Warner – 1217 yards, 14 td, 3 int, 136.0 rating

    Mahomes – 1200 yards, 14 td, 0 int, 126.5 rating

  60. shogunassasin30 says:
    October 2, 2018 at 9:29 am
    “The numbers weren’t spectacular — 28 of 45 for 304 yards and a touchdown pass.” – I feel sad that this is somehow not considered spectacular anymore…

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    It’s been a long time since anyone thought 28 of 45 and 1 touchdown was spectacular…

  61. andrwken says:
    October 2, 2018 at 9:46 am
    shogunassasin30 says:
    October 2, 2018 at 9:29 am
    “The numbers weren’t spectacular — 28 of 45 for 304 yards and a touchdown pass.” – I feel sad that this is somehow not considered spectacular anymore…

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    It’s been a long time since anyone thought 28 of 45 and 1 touchdown was spectacular…

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    I will say this. Regardless of the numbers, the kid put it together when the team needed it last night. He carried the team to that victory in a very hostile environment. Coming back from a 10 point deficit in Denver is no easy task. He is the antithesis of Kirk Cousins.

    Kudos to him.

  62. scoocha says:
    October 1, 2018 at 11:46 pm
    He looks great but let’s give it time.

    NFL looks a little ridiculous and is certainly following NBA mentality. Mahomes leads KC to 13 points in 45+ min and 14 in less than 7m? Prevent defense?
    ————-

    They were single high and/or blitzing a ton.

    Weren’t watching, huh?

  63. There is still a large throng of incoherent Chiefs fans (or maybe they’re just blind) who will tell you how great Alex Smith was in Kansas City.

    No, he wasn’t!

  64. Kareem Hunt – 3rd rd pick
    Tyreek Hill – 5th rd pick
    Chris Conley – 3rd rd pick
    DeMarcus Robinson – 4th rd pick
    Travis Kelce – 3rd rd pick

    Sammy Watkins – free agent
    Anthony Sherman – trade
    Spencer Ware – practice squad
    Demetrius Harris – practice squad

    I understand the Reid bashers given his history in big games.

    But to build THAT dynamic of an offense, without a bunch of top 10 picks in unbelievably impressive to me.

  65. So we’ve already crowned this guy a legend after 4 games? Like Deshaun Watson and Jimmy G? We’ll see how that pans out long term. Dude might be great, but we’ve had plenty of 3-4 game (and 1-2 season) wonders. Also keep in mind that offenses around the league are shredding it. 23 QB’s have a rating over 90. That’s unheard of.

  66. Amazing player. Amazing arm, instincts, mobility etc. Can be great for a very long time.

    However, he needs to take fewer hits. He’s right in the mix on every play. He’s not going to last taking some of the hits we have seen so far. One hit in week 2 (I think) I was shocked he stood back up. Maybe he’s really tough, but as we have seen with Wentz, it haunts a QB to play that way eventually.

    We saw the Wilson and Kaepernick show in 2012 and 2013 and they both looked unstoppable. In then end, they took some knocks and slowed down and Kaepernick was held together by tape by the end of his stop in SF.

    Reid needs to keep Mahomes firing on all cylinders come playoff time.

  67. I drank a shot every time the ESPN announcers heaped ridiculous amounts of praise on Mahomes as if he were already an all-time great.

    I have never been so falling-down blacked-out Kavanaughed in my whole life!

  68. 8oneanddones says:
    October 1, 2018 at 11:45 pm

    He’s like Elway, only faster and with a stronger arm. Amazing.
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    obviously not knowing how Mahomes career will turn out … but I agree, the way he moves in the pocket and his arm and throwing motion look exactly like Elway.

  69. NHPats says:
    October 2, 2018 at 9:54 am
    andrwken says:
    October 2, 2018 at 9:46 am
    shogunassasin30 says:
    October 2, 2018 at 9:29 am
    “The numbers weren’t spectacular — 28 of 45 for 304 yards and a touchdown pass.” – I feel sad that this is somehow not considered spectacular anymore…

    ——

    It’s been a long time since anyone thought 28 of 45 and 1 touchdown was spectacular…

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    I will say this. Regardless of the numbers, the kid put it together when the team needed it last night. He carried the team to that victory in a very hostile environment. Coming back from a 10 point deficit in Denver is no easy task. He is the antithesis of Kirk Cousins.

    Kudos to him.

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    Don’t misunderstand me. The kid is playing lights out right now. I was merely looking at how long it’s been since 62% and a touchdown with barely 300 yards was considered a spectacular day for a QB.

  70. dualprime says:
    October 2, 2018 at 9:22 am
    aarons444 says:
    October 2, 2018 at 9:12 am
    Elway was an interception machine.
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    But somehow managed 3 Super Bowls with a dog cr@p offense and average defenses..
    ————
    Elway’s completion percentage of 57% ranks above average all-time. He has a lot less interceptions than Marino too.

    ————-

    The game has changed so much since then. The short middle of the field wasn’t open ever back then as players would be killed running through there. Protection on receivers and QBs has completely changed completion percentages. I think Elway and Marino today would be incredible. Only Brady and Peyton really played before things changed so much and crossed into this generation also. Brady had the most TDs in the league in 2002 with 28. It’s changed a lot since then.

  71. Well, as a ref, if you are going to completely ignore the play clock and let KC take as much time as it needs to get set and snap the ball, then, yeah, Mahomes is a great qb.

  72. Funny how people get blinded by offense when over and over again, teams with better defenses win consistently. Right now, the Ravens are the team to beat in the AFC, and it’s not even close. They are throttling teams in the second half on defense and have a QB who is not named Blake Bortles. The Rams need to fix their defense also if they want to be in the Super Bowl too. Teams with bad defenses always get beat, and if Reid doesn’t do something drastic about that atrocious defense he’s trotting out there, he’s going to waste what looks like a QB season for the ages.

  73. TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    October 2, 2018 at 7:15 am
    The overhype on this kid is comical, lets give it sometime. Ryan leaf was also great after 4 games too.

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    Ryan Leaf was 1-3 in his first 4 games but don’t let simple facts get in your way.

  74. Slow your role, Nick Foles had a 27 & 2 year and won SB MVP and is he a franchise QB? No. Not close. Is Mahomes better than Foles? 100%, he sure is but let’s give defenses a chance to study up on him before we go and annoint Mahomes as Brett Favre. The kid sure has been impressive though, that you cannot take from him

  75. bullcharger says:
    October 2, 2018 at 10:31 am
    Amazing player. Amazing arm, instincts, mobility etc. Can be great for a very long time.

    However, he needs to take fewer hits. He’s right in the mix on every play. He’s not going to last taking some of the hits we have seen so far. One hit in week 2 (I think) I was shocked he stood back up. Maybe he’s really tough, but as we have seen with Wentz, it haunts a QB to play that way eventually.

    We saw the Wilson and Kaepernick show in 2012 and 2013 and they both looked unstoppable. In then end, they took some knocks and slowed down and Kaepernick was held together by tape by the end of his stop in SF.

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    Kaep never looked “unstoppable”. Not even close.

  76. bkgrime says:
    October 2, 2018 at 8:30 am
    Here in Tampa we are jealous of KC and Mahomes.

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    There’s no way you’re more jealous than faider fans.

  77. 4 games in I swear we heard the same stuff about so many other QBs coming into the league.

    Then defenses figure them out. Well, most anyway.

    I remember Kaepernick was the future of QBs, every team would have to have a running QB.

    The NFL hype machine, that’s all this is.

  78. Teams with bad defenses always get beat, and if Reid doesn’t do something drastic about that atrocious defense he’s trotting out there, he’s going to waste what looks like a QB season for the ages.
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    Not always.

    The Giants were average in 2007, bad in 2011.. somehow managed to win both years, and beat what many thought was the best team of all-time.

  79. bullcharger says:
    October 2, 2018 at 10:48 am
    dualprime says:
    October 2, 2018 at 9:22 am
    aarons444 says:
    October 2, 2018 at 9:12 am
    Elway was an interception machine.
    =====
    But somehow managed 3 Super Bowls with a dog cr@p offense and average defenses..
    ————
    Elway’s completion percentage of 57% ranks above average all-time. He has a lot less interceptions than Marino too.

    ————-

    The game has changed so much since then. The short middle of the field wasn’t open ever back then as players would be killed running through there. Protection on receivers and QBs has completely changed completion percentages. I think Elway and Marino today would be incredible. Only Brady and Peyton really played before things changed so much and crossed into this generation also. Brady had the most TDs in the league in 2002 with 28. It’s changed a lot since then.

    ———————-
    Good point! Different eras, rules and results.

  80. joetoronto says:
    October 2, 2018 at 7:57 am
    So 3 good games and 1 average game make a “franchise QB” nowadays.

    Got it.
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    Think your team will ever get one?

  81. Mahomes is the real deal. Say what you want about Big Red but he knows Quarterbacks. He knows when to hold em, and when to cut the chord. And, he saw something special in Mahomes. Andy was right.

  82. The entire broadcast was terrible. Even the pregame on ESPN! Whitten is so dry a slight wind will blow him out of the booth. And Booger? OMG! All he’s got is a mouth constantly flapping his jaw!

    The pregame: Susie can’t controlMoss and Riddick?

    It would have been a good game but that crap announcers made it unwatchable.

  83. NHPats says:
    October 2, 2018 at 11:29 am
    bullcharger says:
    October 2, 2018 at 10:31 am
    Amazing player. Amazing arm, instincts, mobility etc. Can be great for a very long time.
    However, he needs to take fewer hits. He’s right in the mix on every play. He’s not going to last taking some of the hits we have seen so far. One hit in week 2 (I think) I was shocked he stood back up. Maybe he’s really tough, but as we have seen with Wentz, it haunts a QB to play that way eventually.
    We saw the Wilson and Kaepernick show in 2012 and 2013 and they both looked unstoppable. In then end, they took some knocks and slowed down and Kaepernick was held together by tape by the end of his stop in SF.
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    Kaep never looked “unstoppable”. Not even close.

    ———-

    Ask Green Bay if that’s true.

  84. Eagles fan, so appreciate what he accomplished for the franchise. Can you imagine what Chiefs could be if they didn’t throw all that money at Watkins and put it toward the defense? That’s the only potential fatal flaw for them. Spent monster $$$ on him.

  85. bullcharger says:
    October 2, 2018 at 1:35 pm
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    NHPats says:
    October 2, 2018 at 11:29 am
    bullcharger says:
    October 2, 2018 at 10:31 am
    Amazing player. Amazing arm, instincts, mobility etc. Can be great for a very long time.
    However, he needs to take fewer hits. He’s right in the mix on every play. He’s not going to last taking some of the hits we have seen so far. One hit in week 2 (I think) I was shocked he stood back up. Maybe he’s really tough, but as we have seen with Wentz, it haunts a QB to play that way eventually.
    We saw the Wilson and Kaepernick show in 2012 and 2013 and they both looked unstoppable. In then end, they took some knocks and slowed down and Kaepernick was held together by tape by the end of his stop in SF.
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    Kaep never looked “unstoppable”. Not even close.
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    Ask Green Bay if that’s true.

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    Honestly, go back and watch the 2012 season divisional round highlights against Green Bay and say that Kaepernick didn’t look unstoppable in that game. It was amazing.

  86. “Honestly, go back and watch the 2012 season divisional round highlights against Green Bay and say that Kaepernick didn’t look unstoppable in that game. It was amazing.”

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    That’s true, but if Mahomes’ career mirrors Kaepernick, then that Steelers game will be his Green Bay and this Denver game will be his New England. I don’t think KC, Reid, or Mahomes is hoping to have a similar brand of “unstoppable” for Pat Mahomes.

  87. dwightiam says:
    October 2, 2018 at 1:56 pm
    Didn’t they say the samething about Colin Kaepernick? Lets not get ahead of our selves.

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    Yes, this has been said about Kap, Dak, Watson. He is on an amazing run, let’s let D’s get tape on him and see how he responds to that. With that said since the NFL has banned Defense I assume we see lots of offensive superstars in the next few years.

  88. Shogunassasin307 said:

    “(quoting article)’The numbers weren’t spectacular — 28 of 45 for 304 yards and a touchdown pass.’

    (Shogunassassin’s response)– I feel sad that this is somehow not considered spectacular anymore…”
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    Shogunassassin, those yards and touchdowns are real — and they’re spectacular!

  89. ebhaynz says:
    October 1, 2018 at 11:42 pm
    Patrick Mahomes, Franchise Quarterback. Uh, yeah we fans in KC knew this last year..we were waiting for this to happen for DECADES and now FINALLY it’s here.

    What about Trubisky? Bears fans have waited at least as long…

  90. ikeclayton, that is one of the best Chris Berman name riffs! Double points because that song will now be stuck in the mental jukebox (mental iPod?) of each PFT fan every time they see or read about Mahomes.

    My favorite is still Eric “Sleeping With” Bienemy; he played at elite level when that movie was in theaters.

  91. “i don’t remember Brady ever throwing off handed”

    And unlike the GOAT, I bet Mahomes could catch a pass too if he had to, probably one-handed — Beckham-style.

  92. Honestly, go back and watch the 2012 season divisional round highlights against Green Bay and say that Kaepernick didn’t look unstoppable in that game. It was amazing.
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    444 yards that game.. 181 on the ground.. 11 yds/att.. 2 rushing tds.. 2 passing…

    The 9ers had 579 yards of total offense.

    Worst defensive performance I’ve ever seen.

  93. toddm6d says:
    October 2, 2018 at 9:08 am
    They’re all “Franchise Quarterbacks” until teams get a few games of tape on them.

    Does the formerly undefeated starting QB in SF, Jimmy Garoppolo, ring a bell?
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    Todd, you beat me to the punch. It’s amazing how little it takes before people start waxing poetic about a guy, especially a young qb. People forget that this team had a top 10, almost a top 5 offense last year (6th in pts, 5th in yds). They are just picking up where the left off last year with a new qb. Don’t get me wrong, that is no small feat, but let’s not act, like they went form worst to first. The season is young and DC’s get paid to figure out weaknesses.

    Anyway, the thing I want to see is how this team performs in the post season. Perennial under performer with Reid as coach.

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