Bill Belichick: There’s no new roughing the passer rule, so no change for Patriots

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Roughing the passer has been the talk of the NFL this season, with the officials calling the penalty more strictly than they have before. But the letter of the rule hasn’t changed, and Patriots coach Bill Belichick says that means his team hasn’t changed the way it rushes opposing quarterbacks.

Asked on a conference call about “new rules” on roughing the passer, Belichick corrected the reporter.

They’re not new rules,” he said. “I mean, you’re not allowed to lead with your head, you’re not allowed to body slam the quarterback, you’re not allowed to hit him below the knees, you’re not allowed to hit him above the shoulders. And, if he’s out of the pocket, then some of those rules change, and if he’s in the pocket, you’re allowed to horse collar him. I mean, the rules are the rules. So, I mean, I hope you’re not implying that we’ve been coaching something that was illegal and now we’re changing the way we’re coaching it, because that’s simply not the case. So, I’m not really sure what new rule it is you’re talking about here. We’ve coached the rules as they’ve been written and as we’ve received them. So, whatever the emphasis is the emphasis is, but that doesn’t change the fundamental of the rule. I’ve never taught anybody to hit a quarterback above the shoulders or hit him below the knees or body slam him or lead with our helmet and spear him – like we’ve never taught that. So, I’m not really sure what you’re referring to.”

The Patriots haven’t been flagged for roughing the passer at all this season, so whatever Belichick is doing to teach his players to avoid flags, it’s working.

132 responses to “Bill Belichick: There’s no new roughing the passer rule, so no change for Patriots

  1. Lot of fans of teams,especially Packer fans, holding their hands over their ears and singing…Nahhh…nahhhh…nah..nah,nah,nah,nah…

  2. Translation: patriots qb has been getting these calls for years. Anyone remember when brady cried for a flag without even getting hit? Just because the defender dove low TOWARDS him but never contacted brady but still drew a flag.

  3. Luck gets body slammed ….refs got nothin , Tammy gets his helmet TAPPED 15yds lol. belichickin is a clown

  4. Bears lead the league in sacks and have ZERO roughing the passer penalties. It doesn’t take a so-called “genius” to play and succeed within the rules.

  5. In contrast to certain people with large egos, Belichick dismisses many of the media’s questions but does so with thoughtful answers that exhibit his breath of knowledge. He never calls the media the enemy. He never talks about his brain, where he went to school or how smart he is. He consistently wins without talking about being a winner. He praises his players and never speaks negatively about his opposition. He never blames others, even when it is obvious who screwed up. Our leaders could learn a lot from Belichick

  6. ariani1985 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:42 pm

    Until your noddle armed QB gets drilled!

    ———————

    That “noodle arm” has 500 TDs, is top 3-4 in all regular season passing records and holds all the postseason passing records. You only wish whatever QB you support had a “noodle arm” that awesome.

  7. fireroger says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:44 pm
    Less than 10 posts before a cheating comment roles in.
    ————-
    One idea: Don’t want to be labeled as a cheater? Don’t cheat. Pretty simple, isn’t it?

  8. Actually they did change the letter of the rule. They changed “and” to “or.” So, several letters.

  9. The Truth says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:46 pm
    Luck gets body slammed ….refs got nothin , Tammy gets his helmet TAPPED 15yds lol. belichickin is a clown

    That’s because he didn’t get “body slammed “

    Hey remember a couple of weeks ago when the Patriots lost and you said “you can go to work happy on Monday “
    Does that mean you’ve been miserable that last couple of weeks.

    Tell us again how you are NOT jealous

  10. Well, they are barely averaging over 1 sack a game, so it probably something he doesn’t concern himself with.

  11. they should have 1. but lets be honest, no more than that. lets not go accuse the league of favoring this team.

  12. To be fair, one reason the Pats haven’t been called for roughing is that they cannot get to the quarterback.

    And this comes with love, from a Pats fan.

  13. The Pats are pretty gentle with tackling most of the time. They focus on the wrap up, and it’s also clear that they try to avoid penalties. Penalties are such a big part of offensive drives these days, so it’s pretty much essential that they be avoided.

  14. The Truth says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:46 pm
    Luck gets body slammed ….refs got nothin , Tammy gets his helmet TAPPED 15yds lol. belichickin is a clown

    ———-

    Brady got curb-stomped in the Jags game far worse than any of the sacks that were called as penalties on Clay Mathews. And I seem to remember Brady taking an absolute beating against the Broncos in the AFCCG they lost and all he did was just keep getting up and running the next play. Von Miller called him “one tough SOB”.

  15. Didn’t they change the “landing with your body weight on the QB” portion, due to Rodgers whining about it all last season and offseason?

  16. bird2urmother says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:45 pm
    Translation: patriots qb has been getting these calls for years. Anyone remember when brady cried for a flag without even getting hit? Just because the defender dove low TOWARDS him but never contacted brady but still drew a flag.

    No , nobody remember that because it didn’t happen?

    When Ben said he flopped on the sack against TB a couple of weeks ago did you cry on the Steelers articles too?

  17. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:58 pm
    fireroger says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:44 pm
    Less than 10 posts before a cheating comment roles in.
    ————-
    One idea: Don’t want to be labeled as a cheater? Don’t cheat. Pretty simple, isn’t it?

    —————

    Right… So simple that exactly zero teams in the NFL have followed that advice.

  18. bird2urmother says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:45 pm
    Translation: patriots qb has been getting these calls for years. Anyone remember when brady cried for a flag without even getting hit? Just because the defender dove low TOWARDS him but never contacted brady but still drew a flag.
    ——————
    You must be talking about Suggs deliberately lowering his shoulders and launching himself at Brady’s surgically repaired ACL to take him out. Penalty every time. 🙂 Brady was right to chew out the ref for taking 2 seconds too long to throw a flag.

  19. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:58 pm
    fireroger says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:44 pm
    Less than 10 posts before a cheating comment roles in.
    ————-
    One idea: Don’t want to be labeled as a cheater? Don’t cheat. Pretty simple, isn’t it?
    ——–
    Good advice, and the Patriots don’t do that and never did.

    Hasn’t stopped wussy teams (and by association their wussy fans) from crying to the league to do something about those big bad meanie Patriots winning too much. So funny! 🙂

    Weaklings like that don’t belong in the NFL or pro sports. It really is that simple.

  20. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:58 pm
    fireroger says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:44 pm
    Less than 10 posts before a cheating comment roles in.
    ————-
    One idea: Don’t want to be labeled as a cheater? Don’t cheat. Pretty simple, isn’t it?

    ____________________________

    Plenty of people have been cheating in the league for a long time without ever getting that label. Woody Johnson and Arthur Blank come to mind. However John Elway and the Denver Broncos got caught cheating on 2 Super Bowls, were fined for both times, and never got the label. When you get caught red handed cheating in 2 super bowls and you don’t get the label then clearly there is more too it than “just don’t cheat”.

    Just don’t be the Patriots and your cheating won’t matter. Let’s call it like it is. That’s the reality of the commentors on this site.

  21. The comments in this thread are like a compendium of Patriots Hater Stupid Comments about the Patriots, and none of them are even remotely true.

  22. ariani1985 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:42 pm
    Until your noddle armed QB gets drilled!

    —–
    Whatever a noddle arm is, I’m sure Brady is great at that too. Just like everything else at the position. 🙂

    #AllHailTomBrady
    #AllHailTheGOAT
    #GreatestQBWhoEverLived
    #GreatestQBWhoWillEverLive
    #BowDownPunks
    #BowToTheGreatestOfAllTime
    #BowToTheNFLsGreatestDynasty
    #AllHailTheSoonToBe6TimeWorldChampionPatriots

  23. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:58 pm
    fireroger says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:44 pm
    Less than 10 posts before a cheating comment roles in.
    ————-
    One idea: Don’t want to be labeled as a cheater? Don’t cheat. Pretty simple, isn’t it?

    ————-

    Cheating – what fans of lesser teams call hard work, attention to detail and continuous improvement for excellence

  24. Ty Law’s pick six would have been nullified in today’s NFL. Vrabel slapped Kurt Warner on the helmet pretty good on that play.

  25. magnumpimustache says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:54 pm
    Why is it that year in year out the biggest games in the regular season involve the patriots?

    29 6 Rate This

    Controversy. It gets the people going. And The Patriots are notorious for being controversial.

  26. Why would he be concerned? He knows the refs call penalties on whatever team he’s playing, not his team.

    They’ve really got their work out for them this year, that team is awful.

  27. “Good advice, and the Patriots don’t do that and never did.”

    Now now. Pats did have a camera 30′ out of position in the age of the zoom lens recording things that were visible to 80,000+ people. We all know the zoom lens makes things look farther away rather than closer so that 30′ made a huge difference in the recordings, right?

  28. See if you ask Belichick a good question you receive a thoughtful answer from the man, if you ask him something stupid you will receive a stupid answer. It just so happens most questions are stupid.

    It seems the Patriots gained an advantage around the league over the years for understanding the rules, seems like a pretty easy concept to understand when coaching. Yet the rest of the league continues to show how superior the Patriots preparation is.

  29. There it is then. Football is not dying under the “new rules”. The QB is not wearing a red jersey. The QB is not wearing flags or playing two hand touch.

  30. I keep telling you people not to upset the NE fans and you just don’t listen. Consider their feelings.

  31. Well, the Patsy’s would have to actual get to a QB in order to risk roughing one of them. They are ranked 30th with seven sacks so far. The Raiders and Giants have six, and I’m betting they don’t have any roughing QB penalties neither.

  32. harrisonhits2 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:31 pm
    “Good advice, and the Patriots don’t do that and never did.”
    Now now. Pats did have a camera 30′ out of position in the age of the zoom lens recording things that were visible to 80,000+ people. We all know the zoom lens makes things look farther away rather than closer so that 30′ made a huge difference in the recordings, right?

    —–
    Cheaters in sports ALWAYS hide what they are doing.

    And yet the Patriots didn’t hide the camera. Weird. It was in plain view, as you said. I do not and never will acknowledge that incident as cheating.

    Patriots are the NFL’s Greatest Dynasty and they don’t need to cheat to whoop the rest of the weaklings in the league. But can you imagine if they really did cheat? WOW! They’d win every game 100-0! I’d LOVE to see that! 🙂

    #CryPatriotHater
    #CrySuckas
    #Cry

  33. This post dedicated to the simpletons who rag on Brady’s arm strength. 🙂

    Brady has one of the best arms in the league. Fact. 🙂 Without the arm strength that he has, he cannot possibly run the offense the Patriots run. Without zip on the ball generated by a very strong arm, those short to intermediate darts would get batted down and intercepted. Those outs to the sidelines would be pick-6’s the other way.

    They run this offense because it works. It ain’t rocket science cupcakes. If it didn’t work, Brady would be throwing long a lot and he’d be great at that style too.

    The more you know! 🙂

  34. UMMM, ya Belicheat, you pompous, arrogant cheater… there absolutely are new roughing the passer rules, just because you only get to the qb 1 time a game doesnt mean that the other teams who are good enough to actually hit qbs arent getting hosed on roughing calls, because anyone with half a brain can see that this is not the same game as it was even a year ago.

    This guy is such an ego maniac it is absurd. Ive always heard people talk about how great of a qb is BECAUSE of belicheat, I think tammy brady has proved that belicheck is perceived as a good coach BECAUSE of brady…and I HATE TOM BRADY, hes great, the greatest of all time, no doubt about it…but he is such an arrogant jerk because he learned from the greatest cheat the game has ever known, he talks about the rules…who is he kidding?

  35. One for the other thumb says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:18 pm
    bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:58 pm
    fireroger says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:44 pm
    Less than 10 posts before a cheating comment roles in.
    ————-
    One idea: Don’t want to be labeled as a cheater? Don’t cheat. Pretty simple, isn’t it?
    ____________________________
    Plenty of people have been cheating in the league for a long time without ever getting that label. Woody Johnson and Arthur Blank come to mind. However John Elway and the Denver Broncos got caught cheating on 2 Super Bowls, were fined for both times, and never got the label. When you get caught red handed cheating in 2 super bowls and you don’t get the label then clearly there is more too it than “just don’t cheat”.
    ——–
    Don’t forget Shula, one of the biggest cheaters this sport has ever seen. Ordering his players to take PEDs and painkillers under threat of being cut from the team. And he had the audacity to say “Belicheat”. Hilarious.

  36. While it might not be an official rule change, NFL came out and said it was an area they’d be stressing this year. Players are getting called for putting virtually any kind of weight on the QB during a sack now…and Belichick obviously knows this, hardo statement on his part.

  37. ariani1985 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    So losing 5 of the past 9 superbowls is a dynasty?
    ———–
    Some teams hang the banners just for making playoffs.

  38. Well it helps when your team is almost dead last in sacks. Can’t get to the QB, can’t get flagged. Maybe you should focus on teaching your team to get to the QB first BB.

  39. magnumpimustache says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:54 pm
    Why is it that year in year out the biggest games in the regular season involve the patriots?

    ***************************

    I’ve said it before myself…they give America some great football….big games that we look forward to, and 98% of the time they deliver. Must see TV. Not sure what happens when Brady goes though. That will be a sad day.

  40. handsofsteelheartofstone says:
    October 9, 2018 at 3:02 pm
    UMMM, ya Belicheat, you pompous, arrogant cheater… there absolutely are new roughing the passer rules, just because you only get to the qb 1 time a game doesnt mean that the other teams who are good enough to actually hit qbs arent getting hosed on roughing calls, because anyone with half a brain can see that this is not the same game as it was even a year ago.

    This guy is such an ego maniac it is absurd. Ive always heard people talk about how great of a qb is BECAUSE of belicheat, I think tammy brady has proved that belicheck is perceived as a good coach BECAUSE of brady…and I HATE TOM BRADY, hes great, the greatest of all time, no doubt about it…but he is such an arrogant jerk because he learned from the greatest cheat the game has ever known, he talks about the rules…who is he kidding?

    *******************************************************

    Not sure what to say to this one, other than ask what the heck do you see from Tom Brady that leads you to believe that he’s at all an arrogant jerk? You’d think with all he’s done, he’d be entitled to that, but he’s quite humble. Driven? Yes. But low key and low profile in the public eye. Clearly it’s all about football for him. He could care less about fame and adoration. He’s the consummate professional. Comments like this discredit your opinion.

    PS – Almost every other Pro or media member that knows or has met Brady says he is without a doubt, one of the nicest, most accommodating people they ever met.

  41. I just love B.B……. leaves the media scratching their heads again wondering what just happened…..
    Pats may not be sacking the QB much at this time but the D is still a work in progress….. Pats are 3-2 & are in 1st place….. life is good
    Looking forward to an intense game Sunday night!!!!!
    Go Pats!!!!

  42. ariani1985 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    So losing 5 of the past 9 superbowls is a dynasty?

    ************************************

    Correction: They participated in 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls, and won two. Your team should be so good.

  43. and none of them are even remotely true

    When you can’t win honest debate, you rely on fake news.

  44. bystanderhere says:
    October 9, 2018 at 3:08 pm
    ariani1985 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    So losing 5 of the past 9 superbowls is a dynasty?
    ———–
    Some teams hang the banners just for making playoffs.
    ___________________
    Let’s not forget that awesome 18-1 banner honoring a Super Bowl loss!
    Good times.

  45. Okay, let’s look at the crazy cheating defense here.
    1) Don’t you NE fans find it strange that your players suck until they come to your team
    2) Return to poor quality once they leave again
    3) Isn’t strange that NE will have maybe 2 HOFers throughout this entire run. (Welker and Gronk would be ridiculous HOF entrants)
    4) Would you call it suspicious if Brady plays another 15 years? Isn’t strange that he has absolutely zero negative effects from his torn knee.

  46. eeel95 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:45 pm
    Well, the Patsy’s would have to actual get to a QB in order to risk roughing one of them. They are ranked 30th with seven sacks so far. The Raiders and Giants have six, and I’m betting they don’t have any roughing QB penalties neither.

    Ur ahveta better record than both the teams you mentioned
    The colts are second in the NFL in sacks and are 1-4
    So your argument is lame

  47. At the same time, I bet he’s had hours of team meetings talking about this very subject. How could he not? This dude leaves no stone unturned.

  48. ariani1985 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    So losing 5 of the past 9 superbowls is a dynasty?

    They’ve WON 5 of their past 9 Super Bowls. For someone who constantly uses numbers in their posts, 2 yard Tom, you would think you’d be a lot better with math

  49. Hoodie is brilliant. I honest think he’s hilarious too. The man’s intellectual perversity is something to cherish and he tickles my funny bone. I would love for him to coach my team!

  50. bird2urmother says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:45 pm
    Translation: patriots qb has been getting these calls for years. Anyone remember when brady cried for a flag without even getting hit? Just because the defender dove low TOWARDS him but never contacted brady but still drew a flag.

    You can’t go low on ANY QB…Ask Michael Bennett.

  51. ariani1985 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    So losing 5 of the past 9 superbowls is a dynasty?

    ——-

    no team has lost 5 of the last 9 super bowls. However assuming you mean the Patriots (you always do) they have lost 2 of the last 9. Here’s the rest of the story:

    in the last 17 seasons the Patriots have:

    won 5 SBs (29%) (and lost 3)
    won 8 Conference Championships (47%)
    appeared in 12 Conference Championships (71%) , including the last 7 straight.

    pretty amazing when considering that though most of this period there were 32 teams in the league. I mean, all the other teams in the AFC combined have won only 1 more AFC Championship game than the Patriots have alone.

    I’m telling you….we know it’s not going to last forever, but it sure has been sweet being a Patriots fan.

  52. ariani1985 says: October 9, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    “So losing 5 of the past 9 superbowls is a dynasty?”

    ==================================================

    Get your facts straight! The Brady/Belichick era went to 8 Super Bowls and won 5. Over all history of the franchise went to 10 Super Bowls and won 5.

    My team beat the Patriots in 85 and went to one and lost in 2006. I just want my team to get to one in the last 12 years! I rather have their record!

  53. handsofsteelheartofstone says:
    October 9, 2018 at 3:02 pm
    UMMM, ya Belicheat, you pompous, arrogant cheater… there absolutely are new roughing the passer rules, just because you only get to the qb 1 time a game doesnt mean that the other teams who are good enough to actually hit qbs arent getting hosed on roughing calls, because anyone with half a brain can see that this is not the same game as it was even a year ago.

    This guy is such an ego maniac it is absurd. Ive always heard people talk about how great of a qb is BECAUSE of belicheat, I think tammy brady has proved that belicheck is perceived as a good coach BECAUSE of brady…and I HATE TOM BRADY, hes great, the greatest of all time, no doubt about it…but he is such an arrogant jerk because he learned from the greatest cheat the game has ever known, he talks about the rules…who is he kidding?

    Jets or Steelers fan?

  54. GoodellMustGo says:
    October 9, 2018 at 3:06 pm
    Don’t forget Shula, one of the biggest cheaters this sport has ever seen. Ordering his players to take PEDs and painkillers under threat of being cut from the team. And he had the audacity to say “Belicheat”. Hilarious.

    You forgot Diaper Don also ordered the Code Red to take the tarp off of the Orange Bowl field during a tropical rain storm to slow down the Jets in what I believe was a playoff game. (?)

  55. bird2urmother says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:45 pm
    Translation: patriots qb has been getting these calls for years. Anyone remember when brady cried for a flag without even getting hit? Just because the defender dove low TOWARDS him but never contacted brady but still drew a flag.

    ========================================================================================

    Brady is right in the middle of the pack as far as roughing the passer calls per game, trailing Kirk Cousins, Marcus Mariota, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Case Keeenum, Nick Foles, Jameis Winston, Blake Bortles, Matt Stafford, Russel Wilson and Ben Roethlisberger among current starters.
    Among current starters he is ahead only of Derek Carr, Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Philip Rivers and Eli Manning.

    http://www.nflpenalties.com/roughing-the-passer-by-qb.php

  56. I loved Brady’s TD pass to Gordon last week. 34 yards from scrimmage but really over 40 yards in the air. And dropped perfectly into the end zone in the exact spot for Gordon to complete the play on it. Brady’s arm is an amazing combination of range and accuracy.

  57. crush22 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:55 pm
    fireroger says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:44 pm
    Less than 10 posts before a cheating comment roles in.
    _________________
    Know why?

    —-

    Yes. It boils down to the fact that the detractors of this historically great team have nothing else to say. They stupidly lean on a filming location and a fake controversy stirred up by an inferior team (Colts) as some sort of “explanation” as to how the Pats have been so good. They can’t admit the real truth—it hurts too much and would take maturity.

    That’s why.

  58. scoocha says:
    October 9, 2018 at 3:34 pm
    Okay, let’s look at the crazy cheating defense here.
    1) Don’t you NE fans find it strange that your players suck until they come to your team
    2) Return to poor quality once they leave again
    3) Isn’t strange that NE will have maybe 2 HOFers throughout this entire run. (Welker and Gronk would be ridiculous HOF entrants)
    4) Would you call it suspicious if Brady plays another 15 years? Isn’t strange that he has absolutely zero negative effects from his torn knee.
    ___________________
    Name one former coach or player from NE past or present that has ever said anything about cheating!(I’ve looked it up and have yet to find anything). Not even a fan but some of this crud is just beyond foolish.

  59. I like how people (Pats fans) down vote any negative fact about their team. The Pats have 7 sacks through 5 games. That is poor. It’s no wonder they are barely about 500 and have played some pretty bad teams so far. Generating a sack a game isn’t going to cut it against more talented teams. Stick your heads in the sand and down vote it all you want.

  60. Thank God I’m a Patriots fan. Can you haters even read these comments without feeling awful about yourselves? I feel like I have to give the same lecture I give my 5 year old daughter:

    “Focus on your own work and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing. Nobody likes a crybaby.”

  61. It is good to be King.

    BB says nothing has changed, and we are well on our way to 100 posts.

    The irrelevant Troy Aikman criticizes the irrelevant Dak Prescott, and there are a few posts.

    Long live the King!!!

  62. crush22 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 3:26 pm
    bystanderhere says:
    October 9, 2018 at 3:08 pm
    ariani1985 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    So losing 5 of the past 9 superbowls is a dynasty?
    ———–
    Some teams hang the banners just for making playoffs.
    ___________________
    Let’s not forget that awesome 18-1 banner honoring a Super Bowl loss!
    Good times.

    ——-
    There wasn’t an 18-1 banner but there was for 16-0. Wasn’t a fan of it but at least 16-0 is worth bragging about on a banner.

    Compare that to the limp wristed skirt wearing sissy Colts who didn’t have the onions to go for 16-0 and got punked in the Super Bowl as their reward. Thank goodness for that. Wussies should never get rewarded in any way. 🙂

  63. ariani1985 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    So losing 5 of the past 9 superbowls is a dynasty?
    ————
    what am I missing here … what planet are you from?

  64. scoocha says:
    October 9, 2018 at 3:34 pm
    Okay, let’s look at the crazy cheating defense here.
    1) Don’t you NE fans find it strange that your players suck until they come to your team
    2) Return to poor quality once they leave again
    3) Isn’t strange that NE will have maybe 2 HOFers throughout this entire run. (Welker and Gronk would be ridiculous HOF entrants)
    4) Would you call it suspicious if Brady plays another 15 years? Isn’t strange that he has absolutely zero negative effects from his torn knee.
    ————–
    1) Nope. Happens all the time in the NFL.
    2) If they suck when they leave it’s because they always sucked, has nothing to do with the Patriots.
    3) Which is why they can build a strong contending team every year and not have to overpay to keep “stars”. 🙂
    4) Not at all. The NFL knows about TB12 and Alex Guerrero and has no problem with Brady going there whatsoever.

    Thanks for playing!

  65. GoodellMustGo says:
    October 9, 2018 at 4:35 pm
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    crush22 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 3:26 pm
    bystanderhere says:
    October 9, 2018 at 3:08 pm
    ariani1985 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    So losing 5 of the past 9 superbowls is a dynasty?
    ———–
    Some teams hang the banners just for making playoffs.
    ___________________
    Let’s not forget that awesome 18-1 banner honoring a Super Bowl loss!
    Good times.
    ——-
    There wasn’t an 18-1 banner but there was for 16-0. Wasn’t a fan of it but at least 16-0 is worth bragging about on a banner.
    Compare that to the limp wristed skirt wearing sissy Colts who didn’t have the onions to go for 16-0 and got punked in the Super Bowl as their reward. Thank goodness for that. Wussies should never get rewarded in any way. 🙂
    ——————–
    Yes the Colts really are a trashbag of an organization from top to bottom. They’re an embarrassment and I think they should fold that’s how embarrassing they are. Discuss. 🙂

  66. jman967 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 4:24 pm
    I like how people (Pats fans) down vote any negative fact about their team. The Pats have 7 sacks through 5 games. That is poor. It’s no wonder they are barely about 500 and have played some pretty bad teams so far. Generating a sack a game isn’t going to cut it against more talented teams. Stick your heads in the sand and down vote it all you want.

    If only there was some history that would indicate they’ll be ok in the long run. In the meantime, I’ll just stick my head in the sand and trust the best coach/GM and QB of all time.

  67. jman967 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 4:24 pm
    I like how people (Pats fans) down vote any negative fact about their team. The Pats have 7 sacks through 5 games. That is poor. It’s no wonder they are barely about 500 and have played some pretty bad teams so far. Generating a sack a game isn’t going to cut it against more talented teams. Stick your heads in the sand and down vote it all you want.

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    I down vote it because its stupid hateful nonsense. And no one would accuse me of being a Patriots fan.

  68. Isn’t strange that NE will have maybe 2 HOFers throughout this entire run. (Welker and Gronk would be ridiculous HOF entrants)
    —-
    It’s a bit odd for sure, but the team hasn’t always been designed to have “stars” and certainly not designed for stat hounds. By the way, Gronkowski is a 1st ballot slam dunk—not sure where you get that one….

    What you’re missing is that the management of this team has circulated around position flexibility, depth, and never has been concerned with any stat other than wins. Some meatheads decry them for not “winning by more” as a knock. Ludicrous. The point is to win, or put your sometimes flawed team in a position to win, then see what happens. They purposely don’t draft skill positions high (usually) and coach up mid to low rounders. The only reason this has been possible is the constant excellence of Brady, and the ability of Belichick, who generally uses other coaches as doormats. He’s got more than 40 years of NFL experience and achieved at the highest level. Most head coaches will never have the encyclopedia he has in his head.

  69. ikeclanton says:
    October 9, 2018 at 4:45 pm
    Isn’t strange that NE will have maybe 2 HOFers throughout this entire run. (Welker and Gronk would be ridiculous HOF entrants)
    —-
    It’s a bit odd for sure, but the team hasn’t always been designed to have “stars” and certainly not designed for stat hounds. By the way, Gronkowski is a 1st ballot slam dunk—not sure where you get that one….
    What you’re missing is that the management of this team has circulated around position flexibility, depth, and never has been concerned with any stat other than wins. Some meatheads decry them for not “winning by more” as a knock. Ludicrous. The point is to win, or put your sometimes flawed team in a position to win, then see what happens. They purposely don’t draft skill positions high (usually) and coach up mid to low rounders. The only reason this has been possible is the constant excellence of Brady, and the ability of Belichick, who generally uses other coaches as doormats. He’s got more than 40 years of NFL experience and achieved at the highest level. Most head coaches will never have the encyclopedia he has in his head.

    —-
    And that’s without a question is the cause of much of the resentment against the Patriots. It wasn’t the phony completely fabricated cheating “scandals”, it was the fact that a lot of fans enjoyed watching dynasty teams with big names and big stars and the Patriots winning the Super Bowl in 2001 flipped the table on that and put that era to bed permanently.

    Hence the real tangible bitterness about the tuck rule even today…when nobody would give a crap if it happened to another team. 🙂

  70. bird2urmother says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:45 pm
    Translation: patriots qb has been getting these calls for years. Anyone remember when brady cried for a flag without even getting hit? Just because the defender dove low TOWARDS him but never contacted brady but still drew a flag.
    =======================
    Maybe I’m biased but that is an all out horrible translation. I get what you are saying but it seems completely tangential to what Belichick was even talking about.

  71. Nofoolnodrool says:
    October 9, 2018 at 4:43 pm
    And no one would accuse me of being a Patriots fan.
    __________
    I would, because you are.

  72. The Truth says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:46 pm
    Luck gets body slammed ….refs got nothin , Tammy gets his helmet TAPPED 15yds lol. belichickin is a clown
    ==============
    Not good technique and that’s why it wasn’t called. Body slammed … LOL

    Maybe the Colts need a lesson from Belichickin?

  73. crush22 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    Know why?
    =======================
    Absolutely. Most if not all of which is the result of a huge glass of ade. 🙂

  74. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:58 pm
    fireroger says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:44 pm
    Less than 10 posts before a cheating comment roles in.
    ————-
    One idea: Don’t want to be labeled as a cheater? Don’t cheat. Pretty simple, isn’t it?
    =====================
    You mean don’t get caught doing what other teams have been doing for decades? Sure. That’s obvious. When non-Pats fan dust off that mantra on everything Patriots related it just becomes tiresome and rote. That would seem simple enough as well, right?

  75. 8oneanddones says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:27 pm
    Ty Law’s pick six would have been nullified in today’s NFL. Vrabel slapped Kurt Warner on the helmet pretty good on that play.
    ======================
    Well that would certainly help Marshall Faulk and his incurable condition when it comes to the Patriots.

  76. steeel95 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:45 pm
    Well, the Patsy’s would have to actual get to a QB in order to risk roughing one of them. They are ranked 30th with seven sacks so far. The Raiders and Giants have six, and I’m betting they don’t have any roughing QB penalties neither.
    ===========================
    And yet almost 100 posts later filled with plights of favoritism by the refs. It’s an excellent point.

  77. man967 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 4:24 pm
    I like how people (Pats fans) down vote any negative fact about their team. The Pats have 7 sacks through 5 games. That is poor. It’s no wonder they are barely about 500 and have played some pretty bad teams so far. Generating a sack a game isn’t going to cut it against more talented teams. Stick your heads in the sand and down vote it all

    Because it’s meaningless right now.
    Like I said above, the Colts are second in the NFL in sacks but are 1-4

    A pllease give me a break with “they are barely above 500 “
    We have all seen this before they always start slow come back in November

  78. BB always knows the rulebook better than anyone.

    “…and if he’s in the pocket, you’re allowed to horse collar him.”

    I gotta be honest, I didn’t know that. And I bet if the Texans players knew that Dak doesn’t get out JJ Watt’s grasp twice while he looks around for an “in the grasp” call from the ref.

  79. crush22 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 5:02 pm
    Nofoolnodrool says:
    October 9, 2018 at 4:43 pm
    And no one would accuse me of being a Patriots fan.
    __________
    I would, because you are.

    ——————
    Nope. Im Steelers all the way. You know that from my posts indy boy. At least my team makes them sweat a little.

  80. Nofoolnodrool says:
    October 9, 2018 at 5:52 pm
    crush22 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 5:02 pm
    Nofoolnodrool says:
    October 9, 2018 at 4:43 pm
    And no one would accuse me of being a Patriots fan.
    __________
    I would, because you are.

    ——————
    Nope. Im Steelers all the way. You know that from my posts indy boy. At least my team makes them sweat a little.

    ———————————————————-

    Hater fight! Drooly is gonna win this one though. Indy fans got nothing.

  81. 6burgh says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:27 pm
    magnumpimustache says:
    October 9, 2018 at 1:54 pm
    Why is it that year in year out the biggest games in the regular season involve the patriots?

    29 6 Rate This

    Controversy. It gets the people going. And The Patriots are notorious for being controversial…

    …inside the heads of the jealous, non-Patriots fans.

    Fixed it for you.

  82. Gronk is great but I feel it’s the easiest position in sports. Plus he is never playing as he’s usually injured.

    It’s just going to look weird when Brady is playing at 55 when no other QB ever surpassed 45 at remotely high level.

  83. crush22 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 3:26 pm
    bystanderhere says:
    October 9, 2018 at 3:08 pm
    ariani1985 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    So losing 5 of the past 9 superbowls is a dynasty?
    ———–
    Some teams hang the banners just for making playoffs.
    ___________________
    Let’s not forget that awesome 18-1 banner honoring a Super Bowl loss!
    Good times.
    =====================
    Right … next … to … the … 5 … Super … Bowl … Banners.

    #AlmostBroke40+YearOldRecordVsAFCFinalist

  84. scoocha says:
    October 9, 2018 at 3:34 pm
    Okay, let’s look at the crazy cheating defense here.
    1) Don’t you NE fans find it strange that your players suck until they come to your team
    2) Return to poor quality once they leave again
    3) Isn’t strange that NE will have maybe 2 HOFers throughout this entire run. (Welker and Gronk would be ridiculous HOF entrants)
    4) Would you call it suspicious if Brady plays another 15 years? Isn’t strange that he has absolutely zero negative effects from his torn knee.
    ==================
    I mean … wow. And not in a good way.

    I had responses to everything and then deleted it all because in the end it would just be interpreted as Pats fans making excuses. Quite simply, it isn’t the Pats fault your coaches can’t coach (forget the fact the Pats are FAR from the only team where players reclaim their careers). It’s mind numbing how fans can consider that strange and cast aspersions against the Patriots instead of looking at their own teams. It would surprise everybody if Brady played another 15 years. Another 3-4? Nope. And it wouldn’t be unprecedented either.

  85. Less than 10 posts before a cheating comment roles in.
    _________________
    Know why?
    _________________
    Nope! But I do know why the Colts are 1-4 😀

  86. jman967 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 4:24 pm
    I like how people (Pats fans) down vote any negative fact about their team. The Pats have 7 sacks through 5 games. That is poor. It’s no wonder they are barely about 500 and have played some pretty bad teams so far. Generating a sack a game isn’t going to cut it against more talented teams. Stick your heads in the sand and down vote it all you want.
    =====================
    Probably because of the inane nature? The point about lack of sacks vs RTP calls was relevant. Sadly that’s where it stopped. Jaz has 11 sacks. NE has 7. The both are 3-2 “are barely about 500 and have played some pretty bad teams so far”. Your post got down voted because calling the Pats performance as “poor” despite your team having the same record (with more sacks) warrants it.

  87. “Gronk is great but I feel it’s the easiest position in sports. Plus he is never playing as he’s usually injured.”

    Never playing? He’s played in just over 80% of the possible games he could have been in, hardly “never”. And in fact for that 80% of possible appearances he has better stats than virtually every other TE that played in 95-100% of their possible games in the time Gronk has been in the league.

    SMH

  88. crush22 says:
    October 9, 2018 at 5:02 pm
    Nofoolnodrool says:
    October 9, 2018 at 4:43 pm
    And no one would accuse me of being a Patriots fan.
    __________
    I would, because you are.
    ==================
    Yikes. Couldn’t be any farther from the truth. Try Steelers fan.

  89. Hands off the patriots, no fines last two years no flags when it is rampant through the league,, is there a pattern we all see except in New England

  90. firerogergoodellnow says:
    October 9, 2018 at 2:19 pm
    Pay
    All
    The
    Refs
    In
    Order
    To
    Succeed
    ——————————
    All the Refs are corrupt is what you’re saying, without knowing one personally and if that were true all the other teams would be paying them off too. Which means the NFL office know this is going on, which means Vegas knows it as well. So all the games must be fixed so why are you bothering to watch?
    I have never heard a more ignorant comment in my life. Must suck to be you. Also you must be a wrestling fan and think’s on the up and up.

  91. melikefootball says:
    October 9, 2018 at 6:37 pm
    Hands off the patriots, no fines last two years no flags when it is rampant through the league,, is there a pattern we all see except in New England
    =====================
    They get all the calls but all the fines and loss of draft picks as well?

  92. Belicheat is nothing but a lying cheating bully idolized by you mouth-breathing delusional homers.

    The NFL came out and said you can’t land with most of your body weight on the QB and they’ve been calling it except when the Patsies had 2 players simultaneously land on Luck while making contact helmet to helmet. Of course no call but when Tammy gets his helmet tapped they throw a flag.

    I understand the refs miss calls but the sack of Luck was a horrendously bad miscall.

  93. Thetruthspeaks says:
    October 9, 2018 at 7:27 pm
    Belicheat is nothing but a lying cheating bully idolized by you mouth-breathing delusional homers.

    The NFL came out and said you can’t land with most of your body weight on the QB and they’ve been calling it except when the Patsies had 2 players simultaneously land on Luck while making contact helmet to helmet. Of course no call but when Tammy gets his helmet tapped they throw a flag.

    I understand the refs miss calls but the sack of Luck was a horrendously bad miscall.
    =================================
    No. The NFL did not. The NFL has clarified (if you can call it that) that it’s body weight with contact that rises to the level of a foul. Whatever the bleep that means.
    It’s not the absence of body weight and any rational person would realize that despite the madness and inconsistencies behind this abomination. Personally I feel the Chung tackle was fine. There was incidental helmet to helmet on Flowers but his tackle was also fine based the current ‘clarification’. I was surprised on the no call for helmet to helmet but not the roughing the passer body weight nightmare.

    More than likely that would have been called the first 4 weeks of the season. They benefited from the NFL realizing what was going on (arguably is) was an abomination. That said, despite how it was called I suspect what Belichick is saying is no different than any other coach that has had to deal with this mess. They aren’t teaching their players to do anything differently and the fate of these plays are in the hands of the NFL legislating a horrible interpretation of an equally horrible rule. And technically, to his larger point, the rule isn’t ‘new’.

  94. ============
    No. The NFL did not. The NFL has clarified (if you can call it that) that it’s body weight with contact that rises to the level of a foul. Whatever the bleep that means.
    It’s not the absence of body weight and any rational person would realize that despite the madness and inconsistencies behind this abomination. Personally I feel the Chung tackle was fine. There was incidental helmet to helmet on Flowers but his tackle was also fine based the current ‘clarification’. I was surprised on the no call for helmet to helmet but not the roughing the passer body weight nightmare.

    More than likely that would have been called the first 4 weeks of the season. They benefited from the NFL realizing what was going on (arguably is) was an abomination. That said, despite how it was called I suspect what Belichick is saying is no different than any other coach that has had to deal with this mess. They aren’t teaching their players to do anything differently and the fate of these plays are in the hands of the NFL legislating a horrible interpretation of an equally horrible rule. And technically, to his larger point, the rule isn’t ‘new’.

    /////

    2 guys landed on Luck and they’ve called it all year when one guy lands on the QB. And incidental helmet to helmet. The tap of Brady’s helmet was incidental too.

  95. “no fines last two years no flags when it is rampant through the league,, is there a pattern we all see except in New England”

    Dude you either live in a fantasy land or just throw out lies because you don’t like the team. Plenty of flags have been thrown on NE, and several players were fined the last couple years.

    By the way, better coached teams tend to have fewer penalties than poorly coached teams. Belichick is the best coach in the league and well known for focusing on fundamentals.

  96. brady has taken more of a beating over the years than any qb and at 41 this year he has taken a lot of pounding again. he just keeps getting up which is one of the reasons he has survived to be the GOAT. But opponents seldom get flagged because refs just expect brady to get up, his toughness works against him when all the great defensive linemen agree that he is the physically toughest guy they face. rogers and others are brittle and therefore get the flags. not knocking rogers, he’s good but can’t stay on the field.

  97. Thetruthspeaks says:
    October 9, 2018 at 8:23 pm

    2 guys landed on Luck and they’ve called it all year when one guy lands on the QB. And incidental helmet to helmet. The tap of Brady’s helmet was incidental too.
    ===============
    It’s not clear how more unique ways I can say they benefited from the incidental helmet non-call on Luck. As I mentioned previously, once the NFL realized the gaffs from the first 4 weeks the sack on Luck was going to be allowed unless the contact rose to the level of a foul. Outside of the helmet contact it did not (given the new ‘clarification’). One most likely got the benefit of being a bang bang play while the other did not.

  98. “It’s how everything is structured. There’s no wasted time. The attention to detail is just crazy. You sit in those squad meetings and listen to Coach Belichick talk, it’s mind-boggling. I’m not saying that other places don’t pay attention to the small details. This is just completely different to where I’ve been. I love the feeling here, I love this locker room. This team has been the golden standard for many, many years and to be here and be able to understand why, it’s special.”

    – New Pats RB, Kenyon Barner

  99. 2 guys landed on Luck and they’ve called it all year when one guy lands on the QB. And incidental helmet to helmet. The tap of Brady’s helmet was incidental too.
    ===============
    It’s not clear how more unique ways I can say they benefited from the incidental helmet non-call on Luck. As I mentioned previously, once the NFL realized the gaffs from the first 4 weeks the sack on Luck was going to be allowed unless the contact rose to the level of a foul. Outside of the helmet contact it did not (given the new ‘clarification’). One most likely got the benefit of being a bang bang play while the other did not.

    “”””””””

    Chung was ok but Flowers not only made contact with Luck’s helmet he landed on top of Luck with force on his helmet. Clear that’s roughing

  100. steeel95 says:

    Well, the Patsy’s would have to actual get to a QB in order to risk roughing one of them. They are ranked 30th with seven sacks so far. The Raiders and Giants have six, and I’m betting they don’t have any roughing QB penalties neither.
    _______________________________________________________
    You are right and wrong. The Patriots do not get to the QB. Their defense is awful. That does have a lot to do with why they have 0 penalties. You are wrong about the Raiders. They are undiciplined which is why they are dead last in QB pressure and make stupid penalties to boot. They defininately have roughing penalties. BB has a team that is well coached so even though that defense is about as bad as the League has to offer they are not going to compound bad play with undiciplined play unlike the Raiders who are putrid.

  101. Snibble Snibble Whaaaaa Whaaaaaa
    Wash rinse repeat
    I basically just summed up every Patriots detractor…,..
    If you can convince me otherwise please do….until then, enjoy your reality
    Go Pats!!!!!

  102. Look at Bill trying to kiss up to the refs and Goodell. lol They’ll start getting the calls more and more as the season goes on… They are +650 to win super bowl right now…. hmmmmm.

  103. ibillwt says:

    October 9, 2018 at 9:20 pm

    brady has taken more of a beating over the years than any qb and at 41 this year he has taken a lot of pounding again. he just keeps getting up which is one of the reasons he has survived to be the GOAT. But opponents seldom get flagged because refs just expect brady to get up, his toughness works against him when all the great defensive linemen agree that he is the physically toughest guy they face. rogers and others are brittle and therefore get the flags. not knocking rogers, he’s good but can’t stay on the field.
    —————–
    I remember Brady getting smashed vs Denver in a playoff game back in the Tebow days. He took it under the chin and got right back up..

    The hit he took from Bennett in the super bowl was impressive too! He got back up and clapped “Nice hit 72” lol

  104. So losing 5 of the past 9 superbowls is a dynasty?
    ________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    We know science is not a strong suite, but math too?

  105. Thetruthspeaks says:
    October 9, 2018 at 8:23 pm
    ============
    No. The NFL did not. The NFL has clarified (if you can call it that) that it’s body weight with contact that rises to the level of a foul. Whatever the bleep that means.
    It’s not the absence of body weight and any rational person would realize that despite the madness and inconsistencies behind this abomination. Personally I feel the Chung tackle was fine. There was incidental helmet to helmet on Flowers but his tackle was also fine based the current ‘clarification’. I was surprised on the no call for helmet to helmet but not the roughing the passer body weight nightmare.

    More than likely that would have been called the first 4 weeks of the season. They benefited from the NFL realizing what was going on (arguably is) was an abomination. That said, despite how it was called I suspect what Belichick is saying is no different than any other coach that has had to deal with this mess. They aren’t teaching their players to do anything differently and the fate of these plays are in the hands of the NFL legislating a horrible interpretation of an equally horrible rule. And technically, to his larger point, the rule isn’t ‘new’.

    /////

    2 guys landed on Luck and they’ve called it all year when one guy lands on the QB. And incidental helmet to helmet. The tap of Brady’s helmet was incidental too.

    =

    Brady got crushed in the Jax game and no flag, explain. Hand on a QB helmet is a flaag every time.

  106. superpatriotsfan says:
    October 10, 2018 at 8:52 am
    New England has just one catch this season that went for 30 yards, a 30-yard reception by TE Rob Gronkowski in Week 1.

    #TwoYardTom
    *********************************************

    Apparently you don’t watch the games – unless Gordon caught that 34 yd TD from someone other than Brady in the Colts game. Or, perhaps you’re not aware that 34 > 30, it could be that I guess.

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