Report: Khan exploring tax implications of playing in London, basing team in Jacksonville

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As Jaguars owner Shad Khan works to complete the purchase of Wembley Stadium, the British media continue to report that he has aims to have his American football team play there, and not just once a year.

The Daily Mail reports that Khan’s staff is examining how to limit the taxes he will pay in the United Kingdom when bringing the Jaguars to Wembley.

According to the report, Khan is looking at basing the Jaguars in Jacksonville while playing their home games in London. Khan would need to make sure he can do that while keeping his own tax bill in check, as well as keeping in mind that free agents aren’t going to want to play for the Jaguars if they’re subject to the UK’s higher taxes on high incomes.

It wouldn’t make any sense to play all eight games in London while basing the team in Jacksonville, but one option that could make sense is playing four home games a year at Wembley Stadium and the other four in Jacksonville, while keeping the team facility in Florida. That would allow him to keep his word to remain in Jacksonville while also maximizing his revenue, as the Jaguars reportedly make more money for the games they play in London than for the games they play in Jacksonville.

The Jaguars have already committed to playing one home game a year in London for several years to come. If Khan is able to complete the purchase of Wembley Stadium, it seems likely that he’d want to increase that to more than one game a year. All eight games seems like a stretch, but a schedule that has the Jaguars playing half their home games in Jacksonville and half their home games in London might be doable.

126 responses to “Report: Khan exploring tax implications of playing in London, basing team in Jacksonville

  1. are we getting closer to an actual London Silly Nannies Team? did Family Guy just predict the Future again?

  2. Lol. My team has their practice facility right next to the stadium. It looks like this guy is thinking of having his just a little farther away. I wonder if the players will notice the longer commute.

  3. This is messed up man. Look I get it, it’s his team an he can do as he wishes with it. But to play around with the fanbase that has supported that team since it’s inception just for some extra cash crosses a line with me. If you’re gonna move then just do it, if not stop playing around with your fanbase by not denying the reports of playing more than 1 home game away from home.

  4. Finally they have a perennial playoff team and the owner wants to move half their games overseas? Nice way to treat the loyal fan base who stuck with the team through years of mediocrity, and what a shocker the main issue is money.

  5. The globalists like Khan preach about how they love socialist society until they have to dish out their own money. Good luck getting any free agents or keeping players when their checks get cut in half 4 games a year.

  6. he better reimburse the teams on the London schedule for added expense and donate a draft choice to each team that has to travel over the pond.

  7. Seriously? I don’t think the NFL owners would sign off on that one. Especially their own division.

    Who would pay for all this airfare? All the extra expenses for other teams, work visas for players, etc…its a terrible idea.

    Should never have started the London stuff. Im ticked the Eagles have to fly there this season. Called up, got tickets, they rejected my card which I had just gotten off the phone with my bank for. They cleared me for international purchases 48 hours in advance, but somehow, both cards were rejected for international purchases. Magically, when it went through, the tickets were no longer available.

    Forget London. They have their football. Let us have ours.

  8. I’m sure the good people of Jacksonville would love to have the team use their city for everything EXCEPT game days. Plus I am betting that the players would love the idea of not only being on the road for 16 games but having the eight home games be LONGER road trips.

    This is the NFL. Little they do makes sense.

  9. Just imagine how this would affect the NFL schedule. Imagine the Titans playing in SF one week and in London the next.

  10. You’d once look at this and say it’s too stupid to even believe, but then you remember that Roger Goodell is the commissioner and that these new era owners are very stupid. The Raiders as of right now have nowhere to play next year, and the Chargers are playing in a soccer stadium until next year because these are the geniuses who gave it all the green light because they saw more money to make without regard to if any of it makes any sense short or long term for their overall brand, so this would be par for the course.

  11. the17thearlofoxford says:

    October 11, 2018 at 10:14 am

    Because 3 time zones isn’t enough for a west coast team to travel

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    Or for west coast fans to watch. West team vs Jags would be on at like 7am pacific. Terrible idea all the way around.

  12. Besides hosing the fans in Jacksonvilee it also means that 4 teams a year would have to travel to England to play a game or down the line 8 teams.So it dosn’t just affect one team,but 5 or 9 actually….
    Maybe as a alternative they should build a 10-14 team league over in Europe that plays all their games and maybe have their champion play our superbowl champion for the world bowl or something???? That could be something new and fun!!!

  13. Never trusted Shahid from day 1. I could tell he was a complete phony BS’er.
    Would not put this move past him 1 bit.

  14. The Jaguars have a near air-tight lease with the city of Jacksonville until 2030.

    It’s cute how many articles come out about the team moving to London. And how many NFL fans eat it right up.

    Jason La Canfora even predicted the team will be in London full time by 2021.

    But they are not going anywhere for at least the next 12 years.

    Sorry fellas.

  15. I can understand any business wanting to make more money. But the argument really shouldn’t apply the same way to sports teams. When you buy a sports team you get loyalty you can’t find anywhere else. Any business that did as bad as the jaguars did for the about eight years before this past season would go belly up. It didn’t because the fans stuck with them.

    In return NFL teams shouldn’t turn on them just to make a little more money.

  16. As a JAGS fan since 1993 when the team was announced, We already do not like the commitment that they already have with London (1 game /year). Half the season or more in London would be the nail in the coffin for me. I think its a greedy move and a betrayal of the Jacksonville community. This community has been there all along. After 23 years and now that we have a couple of generations of Jaguars fans, the support and love for the team is growing. This move would be for immediate $$$$$… After the initial big $$, the support in London with peter off for many years until that generation of fans grow loving the team like they have in JAX. It takes a long time to build a bond with a community. Good times, bad times, and patience. If he wants to get richer off London, then as a Jags fan, I say: Good riddance, just move… because im not supporting 1/2 a team. That’s how this Jags fan feels!

  17. I don’t get it. Why does Khan or anybody think that the fans “want” a team in London or anywhere outside the country?

    It is quite apparent the the NFL owners no longer even care what the fans think. It’s sad and disappointing.

  18. So this rumor has circulated for over 5 years now…the truth is finally coming out.
    A) The fan base should STOP right NOW going to the games.STOP buying merchandise.
    B) 10 or more Jag players publicaly saying they won’t take their familes OVER to England.
    c) EVERY player needs to call their agents and go over the CONTRACTS they signed. Must be verbage in there that came be used as a loop-hole. USE it if need be.
    D) As far as regular NFL fans we should be concerned…if the Jags go..who’s next?..the Bucs, their ownership owns Manchester United…the Chargers?..they are in complete disaray…THE LINE MUST be drawn! Europe wants football…start their own league.

  19. Look, if a team can mandate that a season ticket package includes 2 pre-season games that don’t matter on top of 8 regular season games that do matter (an implicit 25% price hike), then they can just as easily include some fine print that 4 of the 8 home games require a flight to get there. 🙂

  20. Seahawks could be playing the Raiders in Oakland, you know, a west coast game by west coast teams…….naw…..you both get to fly 12 hours to Europe and play it. You would think Mexico would be where these two should play while East Coast teams would be the only ones to go to England but…..nope.

  21. I actually think this is more tenable than just being based in London. Both teams are suffering equally with the travel, players can continue living at home, there’s no massive penalty for their own road games. From a competitive balance stand-point I think this is the most workable option.

  22. Hard to see the NFL cut off it’s own nose in spite of it’s face but they continue to do so. They want to explore every option to make every cent more but go over board. Play preseason games abroad but all home games should be in the US and I”m CDN. I love the Pack but if the Jags moved I think i’d have to stop watching as it’s just stupid. If they want NFL Europe again then grow it over there.

  23. the17thearlofoxford says:
    October 11, 2018 at 10:14 am
    Because 3 time zones isn’t enough for a west coast team to travel

    Possibly the greatest comment of all time

  24. This is the stupidest idea i’ve heard, among a lot of stupid ideas. London games are bad enough….traveling there 4 times a year for “home” games is just idiotic on so many levels.

  25. If he thinks his revenues are lower per game in Jacksonville than London now, wait until he institutes this scheme. What self-respecting jaguar fan would pay money to go to games when the owner is literally spitting in your face like this

  26. Those ‘taxes’ are what helps pay for the ‘entitlements’ his players protest about and the protests that he supports!

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    The problem isnt US taxes. Ther problem is the much higher UK taxes on top of the US taxes. UK taxes are higher because they have things like universal healthcare, competent public transit, working utilities that arent full of lead or dependent on a finite resource, ect that the US doesnt have. But Kahn and his players wouldnt benefit from any of that if they are only there 4 weekends a year. So they would be paying half their revenue and not getting any of the cool benefits it pays for. If the US increased taxes to be more like the UK, im sure they wouldnt have as big a problem with it.

  27. Something makes me think the British just MIGHT catch on that the team is playing its games in London but still claiming to be in Jacksonville.

  28. If England wants American style Pro Football they should start their own league in all of England’s major cities. London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, New Castle, Bristol, Cambridge, Leeds. Oxford, Nottingham, Sheffield, Portsmouth, Canterbury. Winchester and others. Then they can have a Championship game against the winner of the U.S. Super Bowl Team. If the owners approve this move it will show that they have no more loyalty to any of the fans that are left in the NFL and the greed of the All Mighty Dollar is the only loyalty. Business is business but this is just wrong. After all the Jags fans have been through to continue to have their hearts and loyalty constantly on a choke chain. If this move happens it will be the straw that breaks the camels back and fans will turn against the NFL more than they have since the kneeling fiasco. I feel bad for the Jags fans who have been there for the team through thick and then. Just not right.

  29. Not a bad idea, competitively. Any player with a conviction would be banned from entering the UK. How many teams would lose players just to make the trip?

  30. J V says:
    October 11, 2018 at 10:36 am
    The Jaguars have a near air-tight lease with the city of Jacksonville until 2030.

    It’s cute how many articles come out about the team moving to London. And how many NFL fans eat it right up.

    Jason La Canfora even predicted the team will be in London full time by 2021.

    But they are not going anywhere for at least the next 12 years.

    Sorry fellas.

    I’ve been negotiating and renegotiating commercial and municipal leases for over 25 years and I can assure you there is no such thing as an “air tight” lease. If you want out you can get out.

  31. “Maybe as a alternative they should build a 10-14 team league over in Europe that plays all their games and maybe have their champion play our superbowl champion for the world bowl or something???? That could be something new and fun!!!”

    This was already attempted back in the 90’s except for the last part…Google “World League or NFL Europe” I loved the Amsterdam Admirals team… It was that league that catapulted Kurt Warner to stardom.

  32. No MDS. This is not doable. Functionally? Yes. Brand and Marketing wise? Let’s see….no. Americans do not want their game played on foreign shores. not because it is un-American but because it isn’t schedule friendly. Brits will never accept American Football like they root for Global Football. We tried this once before and it didn’t work.

  33. Anyone could see that this was Khan’s and the NFL’s plan all along. It is a disgrace and the Florida and jacksonville authorities shouldn’t let them get away with it. Hike the tax rates if they try!

  34. non-story, imo. I can not imagine jags getting votes from the other owners, not to mention the nflpa agreeing to this. Additionally, good luck getting free agents to come play for your team Mr. Khan.

  35. The NFL ( NFL Europe )tried playing American football in several countries overseas. So did the World League. It miserably failed. That included the London Monarchs. Fast forward to today, playing a real NFL game, or two, in London has made money. Playing 4-8 games in London will that make more money, or will fans in London get tired of having so many games in London? That’s an unknown. Owners like Kahn believe it’s an untapped money pit just waiting to be had.

    There are a lot of cities that can support an NFL team that hasn’t any team. These cities deserve more consideration that London. I agree you can play preseason games overseas, but regular season games belong in the USA.


  36. redlikethepig says:

    October 11, 2018 at 10:38 am
    How do you like that Jags fans?”
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    Don’t like it one bit. Especially after defending him and his intentions. Really doesn’t make sense.. he has spent around 100 million on improvements why is he exploring this idea? I think Mr. Kahn has some explaining to do to his current fan base.

    ….

  37. So then their division rivals can send him the bill for their extra travel expenses each year??? Who will want to play for them? Players will have o choose to leave their families behind or not too. How many families will this stupid choice ruin?? This is a terrible idea in every way! Stupid Kahnman… See what I did there?

  38. Liberalsruineverything says:
    October 11, 2018 at 10:00 am
    The globalists like Khan preach about how they love socialist society until they have to dish out their own money.

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    Funny, the NFL that you love is a very “socialist” organization. They share revenue, the worst performers are given every opportunity to improve by drafting first, there is a cap on salaries. The world economy is very global. Also, we all “dish out” our money in the form of taxes. Only isolationists live in a hole, economically and socially. Though with your username, why are we not surprised you wouldn’t know that?

  39. I can think of at least 3 cities in the US that want and can supprt teams IF kahn goesnt like jacksonville any more….San Antonio, Birmingham, Portland, …..stop with the London excuse to make more $$$$

  40. This is just the sort of thing the genius world citizens at 345 Park Ave will love, because almost none of them actually played in the NFL or understand what made it popular, whereas Trump will immediately identify it as a golden opportunity to hammer them for being disloyal and unpatriotic in front of the millions of football fans in the politically meaningless state of Florida. And you have the gall to claim he’s the stupid one.

  41. Ryan Baker says:
    October 11, 2018 at 9:56 am
    Good luck in free agency .

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    i’ll take it a step further- good luck when your top draft pick pulls an Eli and refuses to play for you

  42. The Modern NFL: Injuries, greed, flags, penalties, holdouts, anthem rage, relocating teams, taxpayer funded stadiums from cash strapped municipalities, 24 hour sports noise, criminal players, domestic abuse, sexual assaults, DUIs, ACLs popping like popcorn, and a massively unpopular commissioner.

    This is supposed to be “Entertainment” right? So why is it becoming less and less Entertaining?

  43. “bc puckett says:
    October 11, 2018 at 12:35 pm
    J V says:
    October 11, 2018 at 10:36 am
    The Jaguars have a near air-tight lease with the city of Jacksonville until 2030.

    It’s cute how many articles come out about the team moving to London. And how many NFL fans eat it right up.

    Jason La Canfora even predicted the team will be in London full time by 2021.

    But they are not going anywhere for at least the next 12 years.

    Sorry fellas.

    I’ve been negotiating and renegotiating commercial and municipal leases for over 25 years and I can assure you there is no such thing as an “air tight” lease. If you want out you can get out.”

    I have read the lease. In order to get out, they have to show operating losses for consecutive seasons. That isn’t going to happen. NFL teams don’t have operating losses because of revenue sharing. That one game in London actually increases their income, making it more difficult to break the lease.

    The city had to amend the lease to allow the team to play one game in London. They are not going to do it for four games. The team is in Jacksonville until 2030. Sorry.

  44. Home games always benefit teams further to the East.

    When the Jags host West Coast teams and have their home games start at 6 PM local time, it means AFC teams are going to the office at 3 AM their local time.

    When they travel to the West coast for a 10 AM game, they are starting at 4-5 PM local time

  45. Winning games is hard enough without traveling over to London 4 times . Once the novelty factor wears off it will end in disaster. You will never acquire top coaches, players. . Coaches and players will hate that kind of upheaval. I don’t think anybody will get used to it. If and it’s a big if this London thing can only succeed if a team can be predominantly European players and other nationals. And that about 100 years away.

  46. The league supports the move as it says it is looking for new fans: read – suckers. You got that right. The current fans are looking to move too. Go to the increasingly empty seat games and be bored out of your mind with all the commercial breaks, not to mention the idiot QB protection calls that affect the outcome of the game. If London is calling, the fans should say, yes, you KHAN.

  47. The League should make an adjustment to the salary cap to make an allowance for variations in state ( And apparently now international) tax rates so all the teams are on an even playing field.

  48. I would wonder if player contracts could become void…..? You take a job knowing that you might be playing the majority of your games in North America, possibly a few games out of country over a career. This is not what these players signed up for, and I would bet many wouldn’t have signed FA offers if that was the case. After a decade of being brutal, they finally start to figure it out, and now want to cause chaos within the organization. Stupid idea.

  49. If the Spanos’ had half a brain, which we know they don’t, they’d be the team to do this.

    Split your time between So Cal and Mexico City. See if you can get enough support to pull it off full time.

    .. not that I won’t enjoy watching them fail miserably in LA.

  50. Or they can just right a very large check. Hopefully they stay put because the hole London thing is stupid anyway but if someone wants out badly enough there is always a way.

  51. “”granadafan says:
    October 11, 2018 at 1:43 pm
    Liberalsruineverything says:
    October 11, 2018 at 10:00 am
    The globalists like Khan preach about how they love socialist society until they have to dish out their own money.
    ===============================
    Funny, the NFL that you love is a very “socialist” organization. They share revenue, the worst performers are given every opportunity to improve by drafting first, there is a cap on salaries. The world economy is very global. Also, we all “dish out” our money in the form of taxes. Only isolationists live in a hole, economically and socially. Though with your username, why are we not surprised you wouldn’t know that?””
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    Its fine for a sports league. Not sustainable for a government model. Leads to worse forms of socialism such as communism and fascism. Fails every time its tried ultimately… or if it doesn’t fail turns into an oppressive juggernaut that cant be undone.

  52. This is supposed to be “Entertainment” right? So why is it becoming less and less Entertaining?

    I never thought I’d feel this way, but I realize now it was better before the information age. But that toothpaste ain’t going back in the tube.

  53. @SBChampionEagles – I’m going to London for Eagles/Jags. A friend got tickets and a buddy canceled on him so he’s got an extra one. If you still interested…flights are cheap especially on Norwegian…I got a ticket for you.

    this is totally serious – it’s a nosebleed but good price. hit me at spells dot kyle at gmail.com if you’re interested. I’d love to not have to scalp this ticket.

  54. “one option that could make sense is playing four home games a year at Wembley Stadium and the other four in Jacksonville”

    Who does that make sense to? Hey fans in Jacksonville, get a four-game season ticket package now! *eyeroll*

    Where would they play playoff games if they qualify for the post season?

  55. pftidbro says:
    October 11, 2018 at 3:37 pm

    Its fine for a sports league. Not sustainable for a government model. Leads to worse forms of socialism such as communism and fascism. Fails every time its tried ultimately… or if it doesn’t fail turns into an oppressive juggernaut that cant be undone.
    =====================================

    Not at all. People like the previous poster will point to extremist countries like N. Korea or Venezuela as failures, but first world countries with a hybrid socialist/ capitalism not only thrive, but they have some of the best index for quality of life for their citizens such as Scandinavian countries, Switzerland, Australia, UK, even Canada, etc. Taxpayers pay higher taxes but the healthcare and education is paid for. You’re not in massive debt for surgeries even receiving simple medicine or even for getting an education. I’d rather live in a well-educated society than an uneducated one.

  56. Hard to tell if this it true but I can’t think of a better way for an owner to crap all over the state taxpayers and loyal fans that supported the team with their dollars and patronage. I wonder if the President will now be levying tariffs on the NFL and all companies related to Shad Khan for taking economic activity and jobs overseas.

  57. Why hasn’t anyone stepped in and put a stop to all of this nonsense? If they want International games, start NFL Europe back up.

  58. I know everybody likes to make fun of the Packer “stock” certificates, but they do serve a purpose.

    To keep stuff like this from happening.

  59. “taxpayer funded stadiums from cash strapped municipalities”.

    If those municipalities are so cash strapped they need to raise sufficient revenue to provide proper services to their citizens. In turn, the citizens need to be willing to pay sufficient taxes to support those services.

    Unfortunately, the kneejerk “no taxes” crowd will vilify any attempt to raise sufficient revenue.

  60. “I don’t get it. Why does Khan or anyone think that the fans “want” a team in London or anywhere outside the country?”
    _________

    That question can easily be asked in reverse. Why would anyone care if an NFL team is based in London or anywhere outside of the US? The NBA and MLB both have teams in Toronto. No one notices or cares.

    What possible effect does the location of a team outside of the US have on any individual fan’s life. Answer, none. All of the gobbledygook about foreign taxes, travel, trouble obtaining free agents, etc.? Total red herrings, no one complaining about those things actually care one bit about them.

  61. granadafan says:
    October 11, 2018 at 4:20 pm
    pftidbro says:
    October 11, 2018 at 3:37 pm
    Its fine for a sports league. Not sustainable for a government model. Leads to worse forms of socialism such as communism and fascism. Fails every time its tried ultimately… or if it doesn’t fail turns into an oppressive juggernaut that cant be undone.
    =====================================
    “Not at all. People like the previous poster will point to extremist countries like N. Korea or Venezuela as failures, but first world countries with a hybrid socialist/ capitalism not only thrive, but they have some of the best index for quality of life for their citizens such as Scandinavian countries, Switzerland, Australia, UK, even Canada, etc. Taxpayers pay higher taxes but the healthcare and education is paid for. You’re not in massive debt for surgeries even receiving simple medicine or even for getting an education. I’d rather live in a well-educated society than an uneducated one.”

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    A very much reasonable and welcomed response on the topic. Still disagree though. Have fun waiting on that affordable surgery while you’re dying. There is a reason why families try to travel to the US for private healthcare.. when its even allowed..

  62. Mexico City makes much more sense than London ever will.

    The Raiders(As the Las Vegas Raiders) should play in Mexico City for the 2019 season- then play 2 games every year in Mexico starting in 2020.

  63. As the jags have been dreadful for most of the 2000’s and 2010’s why would you do this to the fans of Jacksonville when they just start to get pretty-good this year and last. It just doesn’t make any sense to me, and if i was a jags fan I would be a not so happy camper.

  64. Amazing how stupid some posters are here that suggest quality of life is great when you shift your tax burden onto others as the so-called hybrid socialist/capitalist nations do. Perhaps that same idiot should read how these same nations are now moving away from socialism because their economic growth and tax base is not keeping up with the cost of free stuff.

  65. A few years ago Goodell said that the plan is to grow the NFL to a $25 billion per year business (from the ~$10 billion per year it was at the time). There is no way to get an extra $15 billion per year from the US market. Adding teams won’t do it – unless they can expand international interest and possibly add teams in new markets.

    South America, Europe, Asia (ESPECIALLY Asia – China and India have huge populations, though the vast majority of them are very poor) – this is the only viable way expand the brand in the way the owners want.

    Greed is a hell of a drug.

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