Giants already have blown their rebuild

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It became obvious a year ago that the Giants desperately need an infusion of new talent, starting with the quarterback position. And the bumbling manner in which former Giants coach Ben McAdoo tried to bench Eli Manning sparked a chain of events that has led to the team’s current predicament.

The failure of the Giants to lay the foundation for a quarterback change and/or to read the mood and attitude of the fan base resulted in an unexpected blowback to the benching, which then prompted an overreaction by management. After the team cleaned house, firing McAdoo and G.M. Jerry Reese, ownership tied the hands of their successors, forcing them to stick with Eli Manning.

And so they did, deluding themselves into believing that splurging on left tackle Nate Solder and drafting running back Saquon Barkley with the second overall pick would make the 2018 edition of the team more like 2016 and not 2017. Seven games in, the Giants have admitted that it’s not working, and they’ve commenced the process of dismantling the roster, flipping players who won’t be part of the future for draft picks.

They may not miss cornerback Eli Apple (who was called a “cancer” by safety Landon Collins last year) or defensive tackle Damon Harrison (who doesn’t really fit in the team’s new defense), but the trades coming less than 48 hours after a Monday night loss to the Falcons sends a very clear message: We’re finally admitting that a quick fix isn’t practical, and we’re now tearing it down in the hopes of building it back up, eventually.

This is where they should have been a year ago, and maybe they would have been there if they hadn’t blown the Eli Manning benching so badly. An unprecedented number of free-agent quarterbacks were available, and the Giants could have selected Sam Darnold or Josh Allen with draft pick that became Saquon Barkley, who will spend the first few years of his career feeling a lot like Barry Sanders.

If, as it now appears, the Giants will be throwing in the towel on 2018 and planning for the future, it makes sense to trade as many veterans as possible, which in a roundabout way will aid the process of sinking to the bottom of the standings — and in turn rising to the top of the draft order. If, back in 2004, the Giants had been the first to pick and not fourth, they would have been able to get Eli Manning without giving up the extra picks needed to climb three spots. If they can earn the first overall pick this year, they can keep (and use) all of their draft picks in 2019 and 2020 in order to improve the team.

Some would call it “tanking.” And that would be an accurate description for it. Even if the mere mention of it would prompt co-owner John Mara to throw a chair or something.

55 responses to “Giants already have blown their rebuild

  1. and the Giants could have selected Sam Darnold or Josh Allen with draft pick that became Saquon Barkley

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    Are those 2 rookie QBs setting the league on fire right now?

  2. You know, maybe they could have handled things better. But I’m always leery of after the fact expert critics who are never held accountable for their opinions with their own lost jobs.

  3. It will be poetic justice when whichever college QB they tank for insists on playing only for the Chargers.

  4. The good news for the Giants is that there won’t be as many teams desperate for a QB in next year’s draft. They should be able to get whoever they want.

  5. davinci15 says:
    October 24, 2018 at 11:06 am
    and the Giants could have selected Sam Darnold or Josh Allen with draft pick that became Saquon Barkley

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    Are those 2 rookie QBs setting the league on fire right now?
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    That isn’t the point. Darnold, Allen, or Rosen would have represented a succession plan. Whether any of them turn out to be All-Pros or anything remains to be seen. But, any of those guys would have provided a road to the future.

    Drafting a running back that high would have been great for a team like the Colts, who have an established, young quarterback. Barkley was a luxury pick for the Giants.

    The top rated quarterback in 2019 draft, Justin Herbert of Oregon, has already said he’s most likely returning to school. The 2018 draft was full of potential and was one of the most anticipated quarterback classes in a while.

    The Giants had a chance to start a rebuild properly and chose not to.

  6. as bad as eli manning is, he’s still better than a lot of quarterbacks as a whole. he does have two super bowl rings as proof he’s not as bad as people say he is.

    what the hell do mariota, and derek carr have on their rings? diddly squat.

  7. Most of this analysis is pretty accurate, but let’s not pretend that there was any way to fix that O-Line situation within the past year. There simply weren’t enough quality free agent and draft candidates available to accomplish that, and that mess had been festering for a few years coming into this season. There also weren’t any available QBs that were good enough to play competitively behind that line.

  8. Blown their rebuild??? How do you figure?

    Do you think the Giants would trade Barkley for Allen right now? I sure as hell wouldnt. So they bottom out this year… Take Herbert in the draft.. then spend the rest of your picks on O-line.

    Right on schedule if you ask me.

  9. oooooooo blabbermouth mara is soooo scary when he’s angry. regarding the rebuild, sounds like reese must still have the owner’s ear – the money they’ve spent “upgrading” their o-line has been a complete waste.

  10. and the Giants could have selected Sam Darnold or Josh Allen with draft pick that became Saquon Barkley

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    Are those 2 rookie QBs setting the league on fire right now?

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    Darnold is a 21 year old kid who has played 7 games after an abbreviated college career. It’s not about lighting it up this year, but growing and laying the foundation for the next 15 years, which is what the Giants could have and should have done. Nice strawman, though.

  11. Very wearying to Giants ticket holders who shelled out for PSLs and expensive tickets, only to see a years long mess like this. The same goes for all fans who may not have been fleeced like the rest of us, but still bleed Giants blue.

  12. Gettleman was a terrible choice for GM from the start:

    – Cut Steve Smith Sr in Carolina
    – Screwed up the Josh Norman contract
    – Suffering Buyers Remorse with Barkley
    – Tied to OBJ’s contract for the next few years
    – didn’t scout hard enough or correct the Giants OL problems

  13. nfcleast
    Oct 24, 2018, 11:10 AM EDT
    As great as Barkley is…that pick is gonna set them back for years
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    Years? They’re destined to finish with another top 3ish pick this year and will have another shot at a high rated QB.

    It sets them back 1 year at the most.

  14. The Giants really did blow it. Now they are rebuilding two years in a row except at the most pivotal position. They had a chance to vie for Garopollo, Cousins, A. Smith, or Keenum but were too good for that. They had a chance to take any one of a number of QBs in this last QB rich class. But they were too good for that.

    You think that when they’re 1-6 NEXT YEAR they will finally realize they need to move on from Eli?

  15. “The top rated quarterback in 2019 draft, Justin Herbert of Oregon, has already said he’s most likely returning to school. The 2018 draft was full of potential and was one of the most anticipated quarterback classes in a while.

    The Giants had a chance to start a rebuild properly and chose not to.”

    The “good news” is the Giants will most likely be picking in the top 5-7 in 2020 draft also when the QB class (including Herbert) should be stronger. Will be interesting to see if they just get BPA (they need help in alot of places), give Lauletta a shot and then try to snag the next franchise QB in 2020.

    Alot of speculation but i think a possible blueprint.

  16. Taking Barkley and rolling the dice with manning bought them an extra year to rebuild but it falls on deaf ears if they choose the wrong qb this year

  17. They sure as hell would for Darnold.

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    lammalamma says:

    October 24, 2018 at 11:33 am

    Blown their rebuild??? How do you figure?

    Do you think the Giants would trade Barkley for Allen right now? I sure as hell wouldnt. So they bottom out this year… Take Herbert in the draft.. then spend the rest of your picks on O-line.

    Right on schedule if you ask me.

  18. As recently as Monday afternoon, WFAN in NY was abuzz with talk of ‘well if the Giants could just beat the Falcons, and they should… then they’d get the Redskins… and they arent running away with anything, and if they beat the Skins, they’d be just out of first place…’. For some reason, people in the NY area don’t like acknowledging when the Giants are just plain terrible. All offseason, all you heard was talk about the Giants possibly winning the NFC. This is good for the Giants that someone is finally acknowledging that the team just has to be blown up at this point. Their current GM doesn’t really impress me, but they’ve been due to rebuild since before Eli was benched last year.

    I can sympathize as a Viking fan who spent many of the early seasons going through the schedule and trying to convince myself they could still make the playoffs (when they are say, 2-4 in 1991). Eventually after seeing virtually every type of different heartbreak, I started to become a much more objective and realistic fan, but the way many Giant fans had been living in a fantasy world sure did bring back memories.

  19. seems like there’s only two QBs in next year’s draft – Herbert and Lock. So yeah, last year was the year to get a QB be it draft or FA. And doesn’t look like there’s any legit FA for next year, unless they trade for somebody who already makes big $. They are at least a year behind where they could be. Barkley’s awesome (and I’m an Eagles fan), but without a QB the offense goes nowhere fast. And the o line is far from good. And the head coach/OC still not sold on their abilities.

  20. Adam Kachur says:
    October 24, 2018 at 11:23 am
    “as bad as eli manning is, he’s still better than a lot of quarterbacks as a whole. he does have two super bowl rings as proof he’s not as bad as people say he is.”
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    Eli won the big game in both 2007 and 2011 seasons. That has zero to do with the QB he is today. He is clearly one of the top 5 worst starting QB’s in the NFL and his current presence is more synonymous with Joe Pisarcik and Jerry Golsteyn rather that Ben Roethlisberger and Philip Rivers.

  21. Teams who draft QBs high miss as often as they hit. The Barkley pick wasn’t a mistake. Any competent QB can play if they have a good OL and coaching. Manning isn’t great, or at this point even good. That said, it doesn’t matter for now because the problems go deeper than QB.

  22. “Very wearying to Giants ticket holders who shelled out for PSLs and expensive tickets”

    Which is why PSLs are a total scam to begin with. If these cheapskate billionaires can’t extort a stadium fully from the taxpayers, they scam it from the fans and often put a bad product on the field afterwards.

    Let the billionaires pay for their own palaces.

  23. All came down to them not being sold on the QBs coming out weighed against taking a no doubter like barkley. Remember, mr. Qb guru shurmur was involved with the decision. If he’s not sold, you can’t fault them for going with a true generational back like barkley. Now, if barkley wasn’t there, they might’ve been more inclined to roll the dice on darnold.

  24. .
    The Giants roster needs a massive overhaul. Neither Barkley nor Darnold could make an appreciable difference with the current on hand personnel.

    If I had been Giants GM last year, I would have taken the Jets offer of 3 second rounders to move from #2 to #6. Then I would have then taken the Buffalo offer of 2 seconds to move back from #6 to #12. In total they would have accumulated 5 seconds to move back from #2 to #12. Those high picks could have been used to shore up many of the thin areas of their roster.
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  25. Look… I hate the Giants as much as anybody, but I have a hard time believing that they’d be better off taking a QB in the draft rather than Barkley. Say what you will about the Giants front office, but that was the right pick. The kid is fantastic on the field, plus he is smart and humble off the field.

    It’s funny that everybody in the media says Barkley is a “once in a generation” type talent, but then bag on the Giants for taking him.

  26. They also grossly overpaid the human turnstile, Nate Solder. Dude was barely passable in N.E. and that was only because they have arguably the best OL coach in Dante Scarnecchia.

  27. Actually, no, Eli Manning is not better than a lot of quarterbacks. He’s bottom 6 or 7, and a fan base and owner should never determine playing time for someone who can’t hit a running back in the flat.

  28. IMO taking Barkley was the right move, and the Giants made an attempt at improving the OL, which didn’t work out. Drafting one of the young QBs and putting him behind that O-line would have been a disaster, and so much of being a successful NFL QB is about being mentally tough, as well as, having the physical skills. I shelled shocked rooking QB in New York might very well never recover, and no one can tell me that the Giants record or performance would be better with one of the rookie QBs behind center without Barkley to hand off. In that scenerio, who exactly would you have in the backfield carrying the ball, picking up the blitz, releasing as a safety valve for a rookie QB trying to read very complex defensive schemes? Wayne Gallman and Elijhaa Penny, please!

    Yes Eli is over the hill and the Giants need to move on, but this wasn’t the year . . . the biggest mistake they have made during the rebuild is giving Beckham that huge 5 year/$90 million contract to make him the highest paid receiver in the league. Here is a tip for any NFL GM, it isn’t a very good idea to have the highest paid WR in the NFL on your roster and it doesn’t matter if he is the best receiver in the league or not (which by the Beckham is not). Beckham is scheduled to count as $21M (2019), $19.25M (2020), $19.75M (2021), $19M (2022) and $15M (2023) against the cap. Those are pretty much top tier QB numbers, or damn close to it and the cap dead money makes it almost impossible for the Giants to move on from Beckham $35.5M (2019), $14.75M (2020), $8M (2021) and $4M (2022), so the Giants are stuck with this terrible contract until at least this year and the next three, at which time they will have the pleasure of taking a $4M cap hit for cutting Beckham. They should have traded him to a WR starved team before this season started and hoped to get a #1 in return . . . that would have substantially improved the rebuild prospects.

  29. Saquan looks like he might become one of the best ever. You can’t pass that up plus there was no consensus on which QB to choose. Hopefully Herbet descides stepping in with Saquan, OBJ, Shepard and and Engram is a better idea than waiting.

  30. realityonetwo says:
    October 24, 2018 at 12:14 pm
    Didn’t the Rams draft Gurley a year before Goff? Yes, they did.
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    There’s no way that’s true. As Florio said, the Giants blew it. Its over.

  31. Drafting a QB with a top 5 pick when your offensive line is a mess is not a succession plan, it’s just plain idiotic. Their pick should have been a decision between Barkley and Nelson. Going exceptional RB over exceptional OG isn’t a terrible decision. They can get another top QB next year that will be as good (or better) than what they passed on, or better yet, they can throw picks at that OL and see if they can fix it and live off or Eli or a FA QB. Coaching, OLine and Defense are the three things that drive success in the NFL, not high draft pick QBs.

  32. How could someone say the rebuild is broken when it just started yesterday, that makes absolutely no sense. They kept their best player with a long term contract. Their second best player is on year 1 of his rookie deal. They have a great offensive mind as a head coach to match the skillsets of their two best players.

    To say the rebuild is blown already should like fanboy outrage.

  33. Only time will tell, but maybe Mara firing Tom Coughlin will rank up there with Jerrah firing Jimmy Johnson.

  34. The top rated quarterback in 2019 draft, Justin Herbert of Oregon, has already said he’s most likely returning to school. The 2018 draft was full of potential and was one of the most anticipated quarterback classes in a while.

    This isn’t true and just a inaccurate rumor. Herbert went on record to say he hasn’t even thought of the draft for 3 seconds and doesn’t know where that report comes from. Give me Barkley and Herbert with hopefully an improved o-line next year instead of having a rookie qb this season playing behind this horrible line getting rocked with no protection and losing a ton of confidence in the process.

  35. I mean, the only stat Manning is not doing well in is TDs. Considering how many times he gets sacked a game and the fact that he’s handed a couple to Barkley, he’s really actually not playing badly. I looked up his stat line after everyone here swore on the Bible that he was the reason the Giants stunk, but he’s actually playing pretty well.

    He’s top ten in yardage, completion percentage, yards per game, yards per attempt (among Qbs, of course) and percentage of passes intercepted (meaning fewer of his passes are being picked off than most other QBs-Tom Brady included, and by a significant margin).

    Seriously, look it up. And he’s currently the second most sacked QB in the league. And yet, despite all of this information, the media leads the charge on blaming Eli by lending credence to voice like Beckham who blame their quarterback for their roster issues. Look, I know, Eli is not one of the greatest QBs of our generation and has certainly failed to inspire the last five years or so at least. But with all of that said, it’s simply just not true to say that he is not playing better than most QBs would in that situation. He’s also, aside from the TDs, actually producing at a very high level this year, which is surprising, but also true. Seriously. Just look it up.

  36. Totally agreed. Saquon is a great player, but Darnold, Rosen and Allen were there for the taking. That being said, there are QBs in this draft too, and the GIANTS will have a high pick, yet again…

  37. To many ppl on here who just dont know football!! Eli is not a bad QB, no QB would be a factor with this O line, dud has an average of 2.0 sec to throw the ball, and thats dead last in the league. The average in the nfl is 3.5. WR are 1st in dropped passes also not on Eli. Eli is not the problem.

  38. John Mara should be forced to sell the team with how he tried to pull this sentimental garbage with Eli, hired a coach who only said what was needed in order to assuage your concerns and land the job, and refusing to sign anyone who doesn’t have an altar boy image. GET PLAYERS, not softies.

  39. There will be a new, great, young, terrific, best of the crop QB in the 2020 draft, the the NYG will be in line to take him. What there will not be is another Barkley.

  40. I would have liked to see what Davis Webb had in him. I guess you could say I am a Manning loyalist though. He definitely isn’t going to win any games with Pat Shurmur’s coaching and clock management mistakes. I feel like he is trying so hard to not be the coach he was for the Browns that he is second-guessing himself and making too many mistakes. He should just worry about being the Head Coach and let the Offensive Coordinator coordinate the offense.

    I didn’t like Ben McAdoo but if anyone thinks that benching Eli was his decision then they are sadly mistaken. John Mara played the unknowing and hurt owner, but he knew. People wonder why they went with Geno Smith. The Giants had the horrible stat of being the only team in the NFL that had not started a black quarterback. They don’t have that stat anymore. As a fan, I’ll put little faith in anything he says in the future.

  41. The teams that drafted a QB early in the 2018 won’t be able to find a Barkley in the 2019 draft.
    The Giants, who now have Barkley, COULD, find a QB in the 2019 draft.
    As for Barkley having to suffer like Sanders, Wentz, Goff, Mahomes, didn’t take years to be viable, and if we don’t think the 2018 QB class will also be mostly viable, especially Darnold, the Giants are better off with Barkley.

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