Does the Haley hire lead to any internal accountability?

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Now that well-documented train wreck Todd Haley, who lasted six seasons with the Steelers, has been fired after only half of a season with the Browns, an important question arises in Cleveland: Will there be any internal accountability for the eventually misguided decision to hire him in the first place?

It’s a question that was being bandied about in league circles on Monday, in the aftermath of the stunning decision to dump both Haley and coach Hue Jackson.

It’s still not entirely clear who pulled the trigger on hiring Todd Haley. If it was ownership, then ownership has only itself to blame. If it was Jackson (that’s unlikely), he already has paid the biggest price he can.

If it was G.M. John Dorsey, what does it mean for his status with the team? Probably nothing, especially with the drafting of Baker Mayfield, Denzel Ward, and Antonio Callaway, the trade for Jarvis Landry, and Dorsey’s track record in Kansas City.

But if it was Dorsey’s call, there likely will be at least a whisper of “what was he thinking?” between owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam. If it’s followed by other blunders, it could eventually result in them viewing him differently than they currently do.

It will all be forgotten if Dorsey makes a home-run hire with his next coach. The presence of quarterback Baker Mayfield could make it a very desirable destination, prompting plenty of currently established coaches without 10-year solutions at quarterback to ponder whether there’s a path to the place still known as the Factory of Sadness.

34 responses to “Does the Haley hire lead to any internal accountability?

  1. When Adam Gase is fired at the end of the Dolphins season he’ll be on the list in Cleveland.

  2. Next Browns coach will be Eric Bienemy, John DeFilippo or Mike McCarthy (if he gets canned)

  3. Haley would have worked out fine separate of Hue Jackson. That dynamic is the cause of the failure. Not Hue individually or Todd individually….but the toxic combination of them both.
    There is not real way to know this would happen at the hiring. It could have been suspected but not known.

    No one is to blame but Haley and Jackson. Their inabilty to act like adults and work together for the good of the Team, as opposed to their own egos, caused this mess.

  4. The constant revolving door at GM and head coach doesn’t make this attractive to anyone. They need a decent stretch of STABILITY. Sure, Jackson has been there a few years and had what, 38 GM’s? Hire a guy because he has a LONG TERM vision, hire him because you like and agree with that vision and let him EXECUTE that vision. The teams that have success in this league have stability at both GM and HC.

  5. Why is it assumed baker mayfield is a good pro qb? Because the browns won a game? Reality is his numbers are really bad and he has a ton of talent on both sides of the ball

  6. Haley had tremendous success at PIT. I’m sure that’s what clouded Has-lame in hiring him. It was their one big chance to emulate the Steelers. Yes, there were 3 big coaching egos and that brought out Hue’s inferiority complex. Should have kept Haley.

  7. “tittmouse says:
    October 29, 2018 at 7:40 pm
    Why is it assumed baker mayfield is a good pro qb? Because the browns won a game? Reality is his numbers are really bad and he has a ton of talent on both sides of the ball”

    He certainly has demonstrated (to this point) he is the best in the class.

  8. What was Haslam thinking extending Hue into this season? The Haley hiring was meant to reduce Jackson to a challenge flag thrower, if he could find it.

  9. klutch14u says:
    October 29, 2018 at 7:39 pm
    The teams that have success in this league have stability at both GM and HC.

    Of course successful teams have stability at GM and HC, owners are unlikely to fire successful staffs.

  10. From what I understand HC’s hire their own assistants…owners virtually never meddle in moves perpetuated by “minions.”

    To me that leaves Dorsey, who is on record proclaiming GM’s obtain talent & coaches put the talent to work…a riddle wrapped inside a mystery inside an enigma…

    Although the parallels between the aforementioned move & Russia hardly suffice….

  11. The only thing wrong with Haley at Pitt is that pig ben wouldn’t submit to him. There’s nothing wrong with Cleveland hiring him in fact it was probably a smart move at the time. why wouldn’t you hire a coordinator from the number one team in the division?

  12. I would have KEPT Todd Halely and got rid of Hue. The I would have moved DC Williams into the head coaching position.

  13. Gotta wonder if Dorsey was ordered to keep Jackson. Then, who actually brought in Haley.

    To be honest, it reeks of ownership sticking its nose in operations.

  14. The next Browns head coach is an obvious choice; Jeff Fisher. He’ll have them up to 7-9 in no time!

  15. This was all pre determined. Dorsy knew what he was doing. He gets his guys now. Kinda genius. But he better hit a home run now with his next picks. I just thought it would wait till end of season. NFL waits for no one.

  16. peytonwantsaflag

    Let’s see BIG BEN wouldn’t submit to Haley Bc he as the franchise and future HOF is the one out there and sees what the def has to offer and calls the plays

  17. Who cares about Haley. What is shocking is someone made the decision to promote Gregg Williams to interim HC. I can’t believe that guy is still allowed in the league and that a team would be willing to hire him.

  18. It’s obvious what they were thinking. He’s a good coordinator with a volatile personality. At best he was supposed to help Jackson go all in with being creative with their offense for Mayfield and the new pickups, and at worst he was there to take over when Jackson was gone. I think, however, that Dorsey underestimated Haley’s personality issues with Jackson and possibly with the team as a whole.

    Even in Pittsburgh, which as an organization is one of the most steady in the NFL (despite the roster distraction issues in the last few years) he had some issues that we on the outside heard about. In an organization like Cleveland, where there was a relatively new and definitely unproven regime, there is certainly more chance that a loose cannon gets looser.

    At the end of the day, everyone agrees that Haley has a history as a good coordinator (also one with extensive knowledge of a division rival). Cleveland was a team in need of help, it’s not surprising why he was hired. We cannot predict everything and neither can the GM, so it’s not shocking that they found out it that it was not a good fit.

  19. This is why passing off opinion as news is so dangerous. So many people have repeated that Dorsey hired Haley with no actual sources to back it up, that everyone has just repeated it and come to believe it as true. However, if you had no sources to back it up, do you understand how asinine the notion that he would force Haley who has no track record developing any QBs, let alone a Baker Mayfield type, who it was well known that Dorsey was enamored with before he took that, upon Hue Jackson job.

    If he had that kind of authority to begin with, he would have just fired Jackson in January. This was a Haslem hire, plain and simple. He’s the former Steeler minority owner and was there when Haley got to Pittsburgh 6 years ago. He liked Jackson personally and thought he’d try one last thing to save him before pulling the plug because he realizes how terrible that roster was the last two years, but Jackson still wasn’t performing, and Haley was only making things worse.

  20. You can’t have stability when you keep firing coaches including HC, OC, and DC. Haley is a hard headed know-it-all and should have never been hired in the first place. He’s been like that his entire coaching career. You need one voice calling the shots, not 3 or 4. That doesn’t work very well.
    The big question is where do the Browns turn to this year, and in the future?

  21. well, the browns may not be going to the Super Bowl, but at least they’re out of Disneyland;

  22. A GM who drafts well and makes intelligent player acquisitions is worth his weight in gold and not going to have any problems if a coach doesn’t work out.

  23. If the Browns had kept Haley, the narrative would be that Haley won the power struggle with Jackson.

    By firing both, the Browns send the (correct) message that the immature lack of cooperation between Haley and Jackson was the problem.

    As for keeping Williams, the Browns are also young on the defensive side of the ball. Garrett and Ward are keepers, and having continuity with the staff is important just like it could have been for Mayfield.

    Williams may or may not be the long-term solution as HC. But he is a good DC, and a strong enough personality to hold things together for the second half of the season.

  24. At the very least, they should’ve made Bob Wylie the coach. At the very least, the press conferences would be fun.

  25. Are we talking about the same Todd Haley who was verbally accosted on the sidelines by Anquan Bolden in Arizona for bad play calling during a Super Bowl run? Who was fired mid-season by the Chiefs? Who pissed off Big Ben in Pittsburgh and whose wife damn near started a brawl at a saloon?

    Ah, the benefit of having connections…

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