Ty Montgomery’s move is a poor reflection on Mike McCarthy

AP

After Sunday’s loss to the Rams, Packers coach Mike McCarthy provided an inconsistent explanation for the kick return that resulted in the game-deciding fumble. In short, Ty Montgomery was supposed to stay in the end zone, but it’s OK that he didn’t.

“The plan there is to stay in the end zone,” McCarthy said. But that’s what those games come down to. There’s decisions and Ty’s in that decision situation, and I’m sure Ty was trying to make a play.

“So I don’t know exactly how deep he was, if it was close. But I think we all realize with the management of the clock and where we wanted to be there, we wanted to be north of two minutes with the one timeout. We wanted to put the ball in Aaron’s hands. But you also trust your players — tough decisions, close decisions — and like I said, I think Ty was just trying to make a play.”

That’s fine, but he was told to not try to make a play. Which means he defied the coaching staff. Which is something McCarthy doesn’t want to tell the world, because his players aren’t supposed to defy his order.

Or, in other words, watch this. If you can handle it.

Whether the fans or the media realize it, the powers-that-be in Green Bay surely understand that Montgomery did something he wasn’t supposed to do, and that in doing so he disregarded the orders given by McCarthy. Which should raise fair questions about whether McCarthy is the one who should be giving the orders.

56 responses to “Ty Montgomery’s move is a poor reflection on Mike McCarthy

  1. “Which should raise fair questions about whether McCarthy is the one who should be giving the orders”

    The coaches have no control over what a player does out on the field. They can only respond accordingly if the player does not follow instruction. If Ty is not disciplined then questioning McCarthy would be appropriate. At this point we should wait to see what happens. Obviously McCarthy knows Ty disobeyed orders and still covered for him post game interview. I’m guessing Montgomery will be listed as “Out with Injury” next week to keep the matter in-house.

  2. montgomery needs to be cut and after the next 4 games that will be difficult for Green Bay to win any of them Mr. Mccarthy needs to be removed Montgomerys decision to defy the coaches directions makes you wonder who is in charge of this team because it is not Mccarthy

  3. C’mon Mc Tubs, man up and discipline this guy the way Lombardi would. Call him out on it and either suspend him, cut him, or fine him. Just shows what a softie you are and how you’re losing this team!!!

  4. I would say the Jacksonville players would be a poorer reflection in their coach than one making a football play and this is what you blame a game on.

  5. @Ponto60 says:
    October 29, 2018 at 5:44 pm
    If i were the owner i would have cut Montgomery today.
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    And fired McCarthy. If Montgomery did not do as told, and doesn’t get cut, there is no discipline. Of course watching the Packers every week, it doesn’t appear there is much discipline anyway. It’s time for McCarthy to go.

  6. I didn’t know this guy was a critical cog in the machine. if it were somebody important than yeah, it would be a big deal. GB….and of course people will say its 100% because of AR, but they have been successful for a long time. to long to let some semi scrub cause a mutiny. im not a GB fan and think MM is a middling coach.

  7. As a Rams fan I almost dropped my beer when he brought it out. You have one of the great quarterbacks of our generation who has made numerous late game comebacks and you basically took the ball out of his hand. And it’s already known Montgomery pitched a fit on the sidelines on the previous series because he was taken out. So this tells me that one of two things happened… Either he ran the ball out to try to be a hero or he purposely sabotaged the team. Either way he needs to be cut.

  8. …Which is something McCarthy doesn’t want to tell the world, because his players aren’t supposed to defy his order…OR, OR … he isn’t putting the blame for a loss on his player publicly but will handle it privately as a coach should do, without worrying about online journalists saying that he should be fired because he didn’t say it was a players fault.

  9. Montgomery must have something on Mike. It baffles me why he is own the field as he was with 6 minutes in the game. The Packers have two RB’s better than Montgomery. McCarthy’s departure is way overdue. No one else left to fire but himself.

  10. This is actually a rather ignorant assessment of what happened yesterday.

    First off, the decision whether to bring the ball out of the endzone and communicating it to the responsible party lies in the hands of the Special Team’s coach as it probably does with 100% of NFL teams around the league.
    Mike McCarthy was most likely getting the offense he’s in charge of ready for the two minute drill.
    Organizing personnel groups and lining up the plays he wanted to run.

    The call to Montgomery was communicated, but wasn’t followed.
    Mike McCarthy’s comments after the game was probably more in line with a coach trying to protect a player who, at the very least, made a bad decision, or at worst, defied a coach.
    Trying to pick apart his statements immediately following the game is just dumb.

    You know, this may come as a shock to some, but what is communicated to the media from the podium and how things are handled in the locker room can differ greatly.
    I’m quite sure this situation is being taken care of appropriately behind closed doors.

  11. Fans and media are going to make a mountain out of a mole hill here. First McCarthy does his best not to bad mouth his players to the media. We have seen this in the past where he is tight lip to the media and disciplines the player in house or with Bostick cuts him at the end of the year.

    Montgomery made a mistake. Yes it was a bad one but I don’t see how this reflects on McCarthy. Players make mistakes all the time be it bad route, bad pass or missed blocks. Do you cut every coach where that happens? Montgomery is a player that the team has had packages installed for and they won’t just cut him. I bet he won’t be returning kicks though.

  12. I thought Montgomery could become a more dynamic offensive weapon, but either he hasn’t been used right (coaching problem) or isn’t very good. He needs to go and McCarthy is on very thin ice.

  13. Ponto60 says:
    October 29, 2018 at 5:44 pm
    If i were the owner i would have cut Montgomery today.

    ———-
    Fun fact, Packers have no “Owner”. First line from their wiki page:
    “Green Bay Packers, Inc. is the official name of the publicly held nonprofit corporation that owns the Green Bay Packers football franchise of the National Football League (NFL).”

  14. That’s the crux. McCarthy, or the special teams coach, did not confirm and make certain it was made crystal clear to “take a knee.” I’m fairly sure everyone in the stadium, including every slack-jawed coach on the sideline ASSUMED the logical knee would take place.

    INSPECT WHAT YOU EXPECT. I learned that at my first full-time job, from a very good boss and manager. That’s what makes a good coach, a good coach. MAKE CERTAIN WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, HAPPENS.

    McCarthy is not a good coach. He’s a lucky coach that inevitably will play “not to lose” when opportunity knocks. Sometimes a coach is simply in the same place too long. It’s time for McCarthy to go.

  15. Standing up for player is fine as long as internally he is dealt with by McCarthy. I would rather see it dealt with in that manner, rather than in the press. If he wants to keep control, it’s obvious that some serious “coaching” must occur this week.

  16. He ignored a direct order from the head coach to take a knee in the end zone for the touchback,fumbled the ball back to the Rams in the Red Zone and cost the Packers a chance to win the game. If that is not grounds for cutting the guy,I don’t know what is. If McCarthy can’t grow a pair and let everyone know that this stuff won’t be tolerated,then he should be out the door too.

  17. Well it’s not like McCarthy has proved over the years that he’s a mediocre at best coach or anything.

  18. If Montgomery had NOT fumbled, what response would be expected of McCarthy? The answer to that should weigh into his punishment.

  19. Three special teams blunders cost them the game yesterday.

    1) An uncontested fake punt on the perfect spot on the field by a punter (to Sam Shields who was a receiver at Miami before switching to D his Sr year) with a really good track record on fake punts. Blame goes to Zook.

    2) Tramon didn’t field a punt that rolled to the 1 yard line and was downed by Sam Shields. Blame goes to Zook.

    3) Montgomery doesn’t take a knee. Blame goes to Zook and Montgomery.

    The offense and the defense played well enough to win that game.

  20. Not a Packer fan but I watched the game. You guys are ridiculous. You’re not going to cut Montgomery for making a bone headed play. Half the players in the league would’ve been cut by now if you’re just cutting guys every time they make a stupid decision. You discipline him and keep things in-house. Now if this was something he was known for.. then sure, you might decide to cut him.. He got the ball 2, maybe 3 yards deep. His adrenaline is jacked up and he made a rash, incorrect decision to run it out. I’ve seen far worse than that and I’ve seen it from guys who most of you think are near-perfect gods..

  21. McCarthy is the most fortunate coach I’ve ever seen yet pissed away his fortunes time after time. He’s like the reverse Sean McVay who had to build everything from scratch.

  22. Interestingly, not even the only example of this sort of thing this week. Seattle’s punter was supposed to take an intentional safety but ended up running for the first down on 4th and 9 out of his own end zone. Pete Carroll and the Seahawks seemed fine with that decision but imagine him being tackled at the 2 yard line setting up the opponents for an easy TD. Granted, they had a 14-point lead at the time but still that’s a lot of leeway to give your players in that situation.

  23. I’ve defended Mike McCarthy in the past, but he clearly no longer has the ability to get the most out of his players. The system here seems old, stale, and complacent.

    It’s time to move on.

  24. I’m a Packers fan — there’s no way there guy should ever have left the end zone — or even touch he’d the ball, for that matter.

  25. In all honesty, Mike McCarthy was a little distracted by the fan in the stands with cheese curds. MM had not had his curds for the day and the crave hit him. So yeah, blame it on MM for not telling Montgomery to kneel and put the ball in his only playmaker’s hands.

  26. The fault lies entirely with Montgomery. He is a professional football player to be so unaware of the situation is inexcusable.He should not have to be told what to do like a high school freshman player returning his first kick off.

  27. mogogo1 says:
    October 29, 2018 at 6:30 pm
    Interestingly, not even the only example of this sort of thing this week. Seattle’s punter was supposed to take an intentional safety but ended up running for the first down on 4th and 9 out of his own end zone. Pete Carroll and the Seahawks seemed fine with that decision but imagine him being tackled at the 2 yard line setting up the opponents for an easy TD. Granted, they had a 14-point lead at the time but still that’s a lot of leeway to give your players in that situation.
    …………………………………………………
    Up 14 with 2:45 to go at your own 1is massively different than down 2 with 2:05 receiving a kickoff with Aaron Rodgers waiting to come on the field.

  28. Ty Montgomery’s move is a poor reflection on Aaron Rodgers and Packer fans. He think he can do whatever he wants just like Rodgers and because of the constant fawning and gushing he gets from Packer fans.

  29. ““So I don’t know exactly how deep he was, if it was close”

    Stunning admission that he hadn’t already watched the game film.

  30. Ty’s move is a poor reflection on Ty. He chose to go rogue and it cost them the game. According to other reports, he was ticked off because he had been pulled from the previous offensive set and he threw a tantrum on the sideline. Threw down his helmet, etc. He’s immature and has been spending most of his time, lately, on IR. Time to cut him.

  31. Lots of deep thinkers posting here. I’m particularly amused that Vikings fans are in here talking as they do — stupid.

    Montgomery isn’t going anywhere. Neither is McCarthy. We’ll see how the usual internet “fans” are talking the same crap when the Pack are in the NFCC in January. It would be nice if they’d shut up in the interim … maybe just give them a blankie and a pacifier.

    Go Pack.

    On to Foxboro.

  32. Its ludicrous to
    1. Blame McCarthy for Montgomery’s grievous error
    2. Criticize McCarthy for throwing Montgomery under the bus by factually answering reporter’s questions
    3. Imply a lack of decisiveness because no public flogging has occurred less than 24 hours after the game

    By the way, it was a great game to be at. Packer fans rocked the stadium. We’re on to New England. Go Pack Go.

  33. mogogo1 says:
    October 29, 2018 at 6:30 pm
    Interestingly, not even the only example of this sort of thing this week. Seattle’s punter was supposed to take an intentional safety but ended up running for the first down on 4th and 9 out of his own end zone. Pete Carroll and the Seahawks seemed fine with that decision but imagine him being tackled at the 2 yard line setting up the opponents for an easy TD. Granted, they had a 14-point lead at the time but still that’s a lot of leeway to give your players in that situation.
    ***********
    Don’t mistake their initial reaction as the final word. Pete and company were not happy with that decision and have already taken corrective action to avoid a repeat.

  34. BuckyBadger says:
    October 29, 2018 at 6:01 pm
    Fans and media are going to make a mountain out of a mole hill here. First McCarthy does his best not to bad mouth his players to the media. We have seen this in the past where he is tight lip to the media and disciplines the player in house or with Bostick cuts him at the end of the year.

    Montgomery made a mistake. Yes it was a bad one but I don’t see how this reflects on McCarthy. Players make mistakes all the time be it bad route, bad pass or missed blocks. Do you cut every coach where that happens? Montgomery is a player that the team has had packages installed for and they won’t just cut him. I bet he won’t be returning kicks though.
    _______________________________________________________________________________________

    Montgomery had six touches all game, so I’m pretty sure those plays manufactured just for Ty are expendable. If he can’t return KOs, what use is he? He’s been stealing snaps from Jones, GBs only difference-making back since week three. It’s pure insubordination from a player, who knows he won’t be resigned and is panicked about being on the open market in a weak position. Why wouldn’t GB cut him? They got rid of Randall for a lot less.

  35. cheeseisfattening says:
    October 29, 2018 at 7:01 pm
    Ty Montgomery’s move is a poor reflection on Aaron Rodgers and Packer fans. He think he can do whatever he wants just like Rodgers and because of the constant fawning and gushing he gets from Packer fans.
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    You’re just upset because the Vikings are stuck with Cousins. You need to embrace it.

  36. Mike McCarthy has never impressed me as a coach. Montgomery should not play this next game as a form of discipline. Jellyfish McCarthy just doesn’t cut it.

  37. The only way the Packers are at the NFC Championship game is if they go to Stub Hub and get a batch of tickets.

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