Could lack of sports wagering be a factor for a possible Jaguars move?

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As the saying goes, elections have consequences. Both obvious and otherwise.

Of the three NFL franchises located in Florida, the Dolphins opted to take a public and vocal position regarding a constitutional amendment that requires any expansion of gambling (specifically sports wagering) to be approved by a 60-percent vote. The outcome may be far more relevant to another team headquartered in the state.

The Jaguars have been the subject of extensive speculation regarding a potential move to London, for various reasons. First, they play there every year. Second, owner Shad Khan has tried to buy Wembley Stadium. Third, the Jaguars make more money for each game they play in London.

The passage of the new amendment that, as a practical matter, will make it much harder to adopt sports wagering (and in turn create revenue streams like in-game prop bets) could make a relocation to London even more attractive to Khan.

As PFT recently reported, there’s a belief that ownership would support an effort by Khan to take his team to London, if he decides to do it. The pre-emptive death blow to sports betting in Florida could be one of the various factors that prompts Khan to make a decision that, given the dollars (or pounds) involved, would be an easy one, from a business standpoint.

49 responses to “Could lack of sports wagering be a factor for a possible Jaguars move?

  1. How on earth do you think the Jaguars could make money of sports gambling in London? No other sports teams here can unless its through sponsorship

  2. A free country would allow it’s citizens to do something as harmless as put a few bucks on a game/match.

    How the people of a supposedly “free country” allow prohibitive policies to continue is a mystery to me.

    This likely has nothing to do with the Jags move or non-move, but does greatly impact how fans/customers follow sports.

    You should have the right to place a wager, period. Elections and votes shouldn’t be needed to redefine “freedom”, you are either Free or you are Not. The question is… are we really Free?

    Want to place a Bet? Enjoy a Plant? Marry who you want? Have a Beer as a legal Adult? Not be spied on by your own gov’t? Welp… not in America apparently.

  3. I think the most pressing Jaguars question we can try to answer right now is what happens when you use photoshop to swap Khan’s hair with his mustache.

  4. I love how we’re just supposed to accept that moving a team to London is perfectly reasonable without addressing all of the logistical issues that this would create.

  5. Why is Pro Football Talk so obsessed with the Jaguars moving?

    They have a lease for the next decade. They aren’t going anywhere.

  6. Play a Sunday game in the US and then a Thursday PM game in London? How do they jockey the schedule so that is an equitable deal for the travel teams VS the teams that get to stay home? I believe that you can bet on all of the overs, unders,and props via lots of methods. If he wants to to move the team let the league vote on it. Makes no matter to me what he does. I don’t bet on this B.S.

  7. xli2006: right, personal liberty stops when it intrudes on the personal liberty or safety of others. I am with you when it comes to spying on us, but drug laws exist because of the horrors of drug abuse. Look around at what crystal meth is doing to us. Take away some basic control of alcohol and carnage on the highways is the result. Every one of your rights has to be balanced with the rights and safety of others. Marriage was created for a purpose. Centuries of English common law were created to allow the passage of personal property to biological heirs. Crack open a book and figure out basic civil stuff. Please.

  8. cardinealsfan20: but some like you think you have a right to take from one and give to another. You don’t believe in the personal right to self defense. What a blank slate.

  9. Aye, pro teams in London don’t get a cut of any gambling revenue, nor any tax-dollar stream from cities or counties raised from gambling etc. Some get shirt sponsorship from betting companies like they could from any other companies (eg car makers, drinks or sports goods sellers etc). But as the NFL don’t allow that then the most Khan could get would be to sell the name of his stadium – but again the NFL might have an issue if US based teams don’t have that option.

  10. “No other sports teams here can unless its through sponsorship”
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    Exactly. That is how it works everywhere. If Florida gets legalized betting then it’s just one more sponsorship teams can sell like the “official pizza”, etc. These articles always sound as if the writer thinks the NFL or individual teams automatically get some cut of the betting but that absolutely doesn’t happen. It’s weird because ever single article insinuates that.

  11. Florida voters definitely dropped the ball on Amendment 3. It’s a shame too considering they voted correct for gov and senate.

  12. xli2006 says:
    November 7, 2018 at 11:02 am
    A free country would allow it’s citizens to do something as harmless as put a few bucks on a game/match.

    How the people of a supposedly “free country” allow prohibitive policies to continue is a mystery to me.

    This likely has nothing to do with the Jags move or non-move, but does greatly impact how fans/customers follow sports.

    You should have the right to place a wager, period. Elections and votes shouldn’t be needed to redefine “freedom”, you are either Free or you are Not. The question is… are we really Free?

    Want to place a Bet? Enjoy a Plant? Marry who you want? Have a Beer as a legal Adult? Not be spied on by your own gov’t? Welp… not in America apparently.

    __________________________________________________________________________

    there is nothing “free” about the U.S. Every move you make requires a government permit or involvement:
    driving, hunting, fishing, renovating, building, get married, most work, have a party in a public place, the list is endless

    no actual “freedoms” at all

  13. Society pays for people that go destitute. So yeah putting a “few bucks” on a game is one thing but some people will not stop until they lose everything. Then the rest of us who remained financially responsible have to help them get back on their feet after they declare bankruptcy.

    I’m not pro gamble or anti gamble. But I can easily see why there is a concern about making gambling more accessible. It is an addiction. It is a vice. People should proceed with caution. The flippant “gambling is harmless” is a dangerous slippery slop that some folks will not be prepared for.

  14. .
    If you are going to denounce the citizens of Florida for their vote, you should print the proposition in its entirety and let the readers judge for themselves.

    A yes vote on the proposition put control of casino gambling in the exclusive hands of the voters of Florida. A no vote put control of casino gambling in the hands of the Tallahassee politicians and their lobbyists allies. Over 70% of the electorate decided that the rats nest in the state’s capital couldn’t be trusted.
    .

    Memo to Shad Khan: Florida has more than enough football. We don’t need you. So don’t let the door hit you in the butt as you exit the state.
    .

  15. All the gambling money in the world can not make this feasible.

    Remember the Jags, just like any other NFL team, play only a total of 10 home games
    (2 preseason and 8 during the regular season).
    That means the Jags would have to make about 8-10 cross-Atlantic trips!

    Using this season’s Schedule:

    From Jacksonville, the Jags have to travel 16,510 miles and 44 hours in planes to meet all their away game obligations. (I had them flying to Tampa and Miami to keep things consistent)

    From London, using the same schedule – the Jags would have to travel 84,006 miles and about 191 hours of flight time, using about 13-16 hours of extra travel/flight time per round trip.

    Thats the equivalent of 5 SEASONS of normal NFL team travel!
    Crammed into one season.
    And you’re asking the team to do that not just once…
    but year after year after year out and be competitive.

    Thats an extra burden financially, mentally and physically.
    Jet fuel and accommodating food and drink on flights cost money.
    Jet lag surely comes into play as does loss of personal time.

    Khan is a savvy business man – incurring 5 x’s the normal travel cost and wear and tear on his asset (the team) is not the intelligence that helped him become a billionaire.

    London is an intriguing market – both for the valued extra TV time slot in the morning here and the globalization of the brand – but the logistics are ridiculous.

  16. The NFL is killing themselves with their “re-location” policy. The LA Chargers ‘re-location’ has failed miserably. The Las Vegas Raiders are at best questionable. The soon-to-be San Antonio Bills would be a major betrayal of a strong fan base and now….the Jaguars to London? NFL fans bases are critical to success as it takes decades to build one in new locations and maybe never e.g. the ‘other’ LA team.

  17. daddeeo says: “What a crock of brown stuff. the rest of the league are not going to take 8-16 hour flights to play in london”
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    The rest of the league will if it means millions of more dollars more in revenue.

    NFLPA gets 47% and I’m sure players won’t say ‘no’ to an extra $150k in salary each if all they had to do was fly a few more hours to play one game every year. And it’s not like they’re lining up at the airport to fly coach. These guys get pre-clearance boarding at the home stadium and go straight to the tarmac for their private chartered plane.

  18. “The people who scream about the personal right to own guns and individual religious rights turn right around deny others the personal right to gamble. What hypocrites”

    Maybe because two of those three are in the Bill of Rights. In other words, the Founding Fathers not only wanted them protected by the supreme law of the land, they purposefully looped back to specifically add them just to be sure.

  19. Not free in the United States? Really!!! You are right somebody has to provide rules for the idiots who will try to marry a 6 year old. Yes somebody has to provide guidelines for the dolts who will drink 5 gallons of vodka and drive a 3 ton automobile. You might not agree with every law but if enough people side with you on an issue we can effect change. That’s what it means to be a citizen of this great country. There are plenty of countries to chose from I chose the USA. Everyday.. all day.

  20. Not free in the United States? Really!!! You are right somebody has to provide rules for the idiots who will try to marry a 6 year old. Yes somebody has to provide guidelines for the dolts who will drink 5 gallons of vodka and drive a 3 ton automobile. You might not agree with every law but if enough people side with you on an issue we can effect change. That’s what it means to be a citizen of this great country. There are plenty of countries to chose from I chose the USA. Everyday.. all day.

  21. This league needs to shake things up and Kahn moving his team to London would be a good start. Kahn is a forward-thinking, next-generation type of owner and it would be refreshing to see him take the lead in shaping the future of the NFL. Good luck, Mr. Kahn!

  22. edukator44 says:
    –there is nothing “free” about the U.S. Every move you make requires a government permit or involvement:
    driving, hunting, fishing, renovating, building, get married, most work, have a party in a public place, the list is endless

    no actual “freedoms” at all

    –No actual freedoms at all? Only someone born with all the freedoms you claim not to have, could say something like that. SMH.

  23. Mike,

    You might be giving Amendment 3 too much power.

    Amendment 3 is directed at casino gaming, and the building of casinos without voter approval. It specifically severs itself from parimutual betting, card games, etc. Instead it seeks to regulate slot machines, and games such as blackjack where the house acts as banker, etc.

    Pass your lawyerly eyes over the text of the amendment and see if you don’t agree.

    Voter Control of Gambling in Florida.

    (a) This amendment ensures that Florida voters shall have the exclusive right to decide whether to authorize casino gambling in the State of Florida. This amendment requires a vote by citizens’ initiative pursuant to Article XI, section 3, in order for casino gambling to be authorized under Florida law. This section amends this Article; and also affects Article XI, by making citizens’ initiatives the exclusive method of authorizing casino gambling.

    (b) As used in this section, “casino gambling” means any of the types of games typically found in casinos and that are within the definition of Class III gaming in the Federal Indian Gaming Regulatory Act, 25 U.S.C. § 2701 et seq. (“IGRA”), and in 25 C.F.R. §502.4, upon adoption of this amendment, and any that are added to such definition of Class III gaming in the future. This includes, but is not limited to, any house banking game, including but not limited to card games such as baccarat, chemin de fer, blackjack (21), and pai gow (if played as house banking games); any player-banked game that simulates a house banking game, such as California black jack; casino games such as roulette, craps, and keno; any slot machines as defined in 15 U.S.C. 1171(a)(1); and any other game not authorized by Article X, section 15, whether or not defined as a slot machine, in which outcomes are determined by random number generator or are similarly assigned randomly, such as instant or historical racing. As used herein, “casino gambling” includes any electronic gambling devices, simulated gambling devices, video lottery devices, internet sweepstakes devices, and any other form of electronic or electromechanical facsimiles of any game of chance, slot machine, or casino-style game, regardless of how such devices are defined under IGRA. As used herein, “casino gambling” does not include pari-mutuel wagering on horse racing, dog racing, or jai alai exhibitions. For purposes of this section, “gambling” and “gaming” are synonymous.

    (c) Nothing herein shall be deemed to limit the right of the Legislature to exercise its authority through general law to restrict, regulate, or tax any gaming or gambling activities. In addition, nothing herein shall be construed to limit the ability of the state or Native American tribes to negotiate gaming compacts pursuant to the Federal Indian Gaming Regulatory Act for the conduct of casino gambling on tribal lands, or to affect any existing gambling on tribal lands pursuant to compacts executed by the state and Native American tribes pursuant to IGRA.

    (d) This section is effective upon approval by the voters, is self-executing, and no Legislative implementation is required.

    (e) If any part of this section is held invalid for any reason, the remaining portion or portions shall be severed from the invalid portion and given the fullest possible force and effect.[11]

  24. cjmcfootball says:
    November 7, 2018 at 11:14 am

    I love how we’re just supposed to accept that moving a team to London is perfectly reasonable without addressing all of the logistical issues that this would create.
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    It would be the dumbest thing the NFL ever did, and that’s saying a lot.

  25. Right now, NFL in London is a fun novelty. Set up a crappy team over there full time, and the luster will quickly wear off.

  26. Logistically, team(s) located in London is not a difficult exercise when you expand the league to include “four” London teams. The travel math becomes pretty dang simple at that point. Not surprising that so many people are forever stuck in 1945 mode, but times are a changin whether they get onboard or not. I’ll see the rest of you in London.

  27. What choice free agent would consider London as his team? The team is still under a salary cap, the player now has international taxes to pay. On top of that, the travel will be brutal.

    This will be a team of draftees and guys where this is their last stop or retire because no one else wants to play there.

  28. Except I don’t believe in the UK sports books pay the teams anything like they’re trying to get here, so I don’t see what this adds for the Jags. People can make those bets through online sports books anyway whether or not you can do so locally.

  29. cardinealsfan20 says:
    November 7, 2018 at 11:29 am
    The people who scream about the personal right to own guns and individual religious rights turn right around deny others the personal right to gamble. What hypocrites
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    The right to own a gun & religious rights are guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.
    Gambling is not.
    Idiot!

  30. Wasn’t it just yesterday the NFL was spending millions in attorneys fees to keep sports betting from expanding? Now the lack of it would force a franchise to move?

  31. So, if it is bad for the league (see Los Angeles, they still don’t get it) then the NFL is all in on this move. Be kind of fun to see a team travel to London for a Thursday game after a Sunday game, wont it?

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