Will other teams do to the Patriots what the Titans did to the Patriots?

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From time to time over the years, NFL teams have illustrated the blueprint for beating the Patriots. Most recently, the Titans have done it.

So will other teams try to do what the Patriots have done?

It’s a topic that was discussed on Sunday by Rodney Harrison, Tony Dungy, Mike Tirico, and yours truly from the set of Football Night in America, along a couple of other subjects. (The segment wraps with an extended presentation of the efforts, or lack thereof, of the four of us to master the NASCAR simulator at NBC.)

For me, the biggest question is this: Do other teams not borrow the concepts others have used to beat the Patriots because they can’t, or because they don’t want to? Coaches have fairly sizable egos, and they like to do things their own way. And even if their way is objectively inferior to what, for example, Titans coach Mike Vrabel did to the Patriots, those other coaches will be the last ones to admit it.

Even after they lose. Which won’t matter anyway because by then it will be too late.

59 responses to “Will other teams do to the Patriots what the Titans did to the Patriots?

  1. Other than the Steelers, no. At least as far as the regular season goes. They have a lot of AFC East games left, and I don’t think I need to say much more about that

  2. Being able to do the same thing assumes that the Patriots will keep doing the same thing. Tendencies and capabilities are one thing, but this team will figure out how not to do the things that they figured out how to stop. It’s called adjustments, and I think they have proven they can make them.

  3. Stop it already with the blueprint stuff. Yes, If you can get pressure up the middle to keep Brady from stepping up and then have some good edge rushers clean up, you can stop Brady. No secret. Teams (and fans) have known this for years. Can they pull it off? Usually not. It didn’t help that Mason was missing at right guard and their tackles were banged up or ill.

  4. Probably not now that everyone is healthy and theyll learn from it. However they did lose homefield advantage with that loss. With KC 2 Games ahead. Pitt and now the Chargers 1 game ahead. Even if KC loses to either the Rams or Chargers, Pats are still #4 seed.

    No way they can go into KC at night for the AFCC and win. Without homefield only hope is for KC to get shocked in the playoffs by Pitt again.

    We know Gronk is out after this year also. Will be the end of an era without homefield this year.

  5. Belichick will make the necessary adjustments so teams can’t use the Titans game plan as a blueprint. That’s the genius of Belichick. In Belichick we trust.

  6. I think it was more of a bad overall game than a scheme thing. But even if it was, there are 2 factors. When RRyan had their number, for exmple, he had the personnel to play it. Not everyone does. Also, the Pats ain’t dumb. Especially Brady and McDaniels. If the Titans had something there, the Pats will adjust to minimize or negate it. Gronk and Mason being out, and the LT being hurt didn’t help either. Not to make excuses, though. The Pats deserved 2 L’s in the standings for the way they played, and Tenn played very well.

  7. Umm, I would judge the final product when all of the starters are out there.

    If Gronk is healthy at the end of the year, Burkhead returns next game, Michel is back to where he was, and Brady/McD get their heads out of their butts, this whole narrative will be moot.

    The latter point, is really the key. The Binky Addiciton is alive and well and it’s time for BB to step in and slap McD/Brady in this area.

    No other HOF QB has the issues Brady has wit the Binky Addiction problem and the ‘Brady Lock” that has cropped for years in the over-sold “Circle of Trust” garbage that he promotes as if they’re splitting the atom in Foxborough.

    Time to pony up, Tommy. Let’s see what ya got, after skipping those OTAs, the only QB to do it this year.

    The time has come, Tommy. The time has come. Your career is on the line.

  8. We’ve heard about the “template” for beating NE before. Protect your QB, do a better job getting to theirs, make a few special plays. NE did none of these last night. The bye could not come at a better time for NE. Oline is abysmal right now. Gronk has become a situational part time player. You can’t ride Brady alone and forever and right now he’s getting zero protection and zero separation. Honestly I’ll be surprised if NE get’s a bye and more surprised if they go deep. Sure, anything’s possible but unless we see a big step up in 2 weeks it’s not going to be ring #6 this year. So, can Brady play another SB level season? Who cares, we’re on to New Jersey. We’re playing with house money here for a few years anyway.

  9. The key is making Brady uncomfortable, and that’s what they did. He had no time to set his feet, and even when he did, he was making some bad throws. The Titan’s defense played a textbook “how to beat the Patriots” game. The Patriots were a downright ugly team yesterday and the Titans deserve all the credit for having a great game plan.

  10. This story has been written everytime the Pats get beat. Earlier this year the Jags played the same type of FLAWLESS game the Titans did yesterday.
    Where are the Jags now? I wouldn’t bet on the Titans making the playoffs, they did however when the Superbowl yesterday, just ask Dion Lewis. lol

  11. @ ariani1985 if 7-3 is off track then I wish the Cowboys would start off track every season.

    Maybe teams don’t run those schemes because they don’t have the personnel good enough to do it or their scheme fits their players better. Titans also have a very good defense. I bet if the Bucs ran the exact same scheme and plays the results wouldnt be as good.

    Anyways if every team started using it against the Patriots my bet is on BB to figure out how to beat it. The Pattiots don’t get beat too often. They also didnt have Gronk. I’m not saying they would have won. The way the defense played may have changed though.

  12. The answer is, yes, other teams will do what the Titans have done however, the Patriots having seen it with two weeks to watch film will be much more ready for it next time.

    There’s also the point regarding other teams having the right parts to pull it off, which is often a challenge.

    So that’s about it.

  13. Missing so many front line blockers including both tight ends was part of this. The dreaded Monday Night road game against a good team following your own big prime time matchup the week before doesn’t help. A lot was put into the Green Bay game, and this was kind of a Super Bowl game for Tennessee and all the ex-Pats, and their knowledge of how the Patriots work internally. Still, I see a lot of plays where the receiver and QB appear to not be on the same page, and I see drives stall if there is one negative play, or no yards are gained on one play, particularly 2nd down. Consistency and reliability is a bit lacking and has been for a while, which is why they are so poor in the red zone on both offense and defense. The good thing is they have the bye to work on it. Had they won this game they might have taken it easier during the bye, but hopefully there is a sense of urgency that will result in a lot of deep work, that surfaces in the remaining games. Congrats to Tennessee. They looked very physically tough and well coached.

  14. Meh… Titans beat the Patriots without Gronk. With Gronk, the Pats are nearly unstoppable and that goes double for playing at home (where the refs have decided they cannot and will not throw any flags against the Pats offense).

    Gronk comes back and the Pats look like themselves. And we as viewers are more than likely stuck watching another Pats versus “somebody” AFC Championship Game… again. Sigh….

  15. Lots of excuses from the usual Patriot homers. You got embarrassed…….it happens to most teams, but not usually to a Belicheat team. Don’t jump the shark so fast and drawing out the knives to stab your stars in the back. Relax ladies it was just a bad day at the office.

  16. tylawspick6 says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:18 am
    Umm, I would judge the final product when all of the starters are out there.
    If Gronk is healthy at the end of the year, Burkhead returns next game, Michel is back to where he was, and Brady/McD get their heads out of their butts, this whole narrative will be moot.
    The latter point, is really the key. The Binky Addiciton is alive and well and it’s time for BB to step in and slap McD/Brady in this area.
    No other HOF QB has the issues Brady has wit the Binky Addiction problem and the ‘Brady Lock” that has cropped for years in the over-sold “Circle of Trust” garbage that he promotes as if they’re splitting the atom in Foxborough.
    Time to pony up, Tommy. Let’s see what ya got, after skipping those OTAs, the only QB to do it this year.
    The time has come, Tommy. The time has come. Your career is on the line.

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    I’ve seen that a few times from local Boston media that I respect about the OTAs. At this point I believe the OTAs are completely meaningless.

    Tom’s career isn’t on the line. It’s set in stone. There was always going to be a time when his skills would decline and he would need a running game to help him more and a better defense. However, his brainpower would be the thing that could still get the Patriots to the promised land. Manning won a Super Bowl like that. Nothing wrong with it. Brady isn’t going to be what he was, but he’s still very good.

    I do see that he does get locked in on guys from time to time, but Jules had a pretty productive game despite Brady forcing it into Gordon a few too many times. Could have went to Hogan a few more times.

    Overall, we should all be pretty happy this is where we are at so many years later.

    Not that things couldn’t have been better if we stuck with Jimmy G, but my number one concern with him was staying on the field which bit him right away. So far letting him go was the right choice.

  17. firerogergoodellnow says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:09 am
    Belichick was outcoached by Vrabel, one of his former players and Matt Patricia, his former coordinator.

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    Yes… and Mangini did it before, and Josh McDaniels did it before in Denver. It has happened a few times. They inherently know more about how to defend Brady than others. Often works once.

  18. It’s not as easy as copying some gameplan that worked on a particular week. You need the personnel to do it. And you then need to execute.

    Everyone knows the plan. Pressure Tom from the middle. Press the receivers. Play man.

    But if you have some guys, you can’t just flip to man and press coverage. And if your interior linemen can’t get pressure, you may have to blitz. And that’s when Tom starts shredding your underneath coverage. Add a missed bump, or having your guy knocked off by a crossing route (pick), and now you’ve got a splash play.

    Everyone knows what to do. It’s doing it that’s the challenge.

  19. I hear Belichick will confuse everyone by changing the Dink n Dunk to the Dunk n Dink plus some underthrown long balls to get PI calls where completions never happen.

    Genius I tell ya!

  20. I think Belichick is throwing the games against friendly coaches outside his division to preserve his legacy. Patricia has done squat since beating NE. Vrabel has been good but not great. Even Josh McDaniels beat the Pats in his first at-bat with Denver. This won’t happen again with the Titans or Vrabel. I think Bill gives you one freebee.

    …before anyone freaks on me, I am being tongue in cheek. No I don’t think BB threw the game. I think the Pats played poorly, top to bottom adn the Titans were much better on this day.

  21. My opinion (Pats fan here):

    The Titans had a great game plan and executed it well. They deserved the win.

    Early in the game Brady threw some passes that should have been caught. He also threw some passes that did not look good. Pats defense missed numerous tackles and the DBs left too much space between them and receivers, although some of both was due to good play from the Titans. But I thought the Patriots were kind of flat, on both sides of the ball.

    Nice win Titans.

  22. The Titans did to the Pats exactly what Denver did a few years ago: Made Brady move off his spot with pressure and “took away” the short stuff and made him go deep more than he likes. Case in point: Gordon was targeted 12 times, with 4 receptions. Half those targets were totally un-catchable, not even in the ballpark of the receiver. Brady has always relied on short passes and run after the catch, not known for a strong, accurate arm. His air-yards-per pass distance averages less than 3.5 yards per attempt.

  23. pittsburghdamned says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:44 am
    I hear Belichick will confuse everyone by changing the Dink n Dunk to the Dunk n Dink plus some underthrown long balls to get PI calls where completions never happen.

    Genius I tell ya!

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    When was the last time your team beat the Patriots? Maybe if your team had Mike Vrabel as its coach they would stand a chance

  24. patriotmaleorgy says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:11 am

    I’m surprised Goodell hasn’t fired the crew for not throwing more flags the patriots way.

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    Yeah, as opposed to the 3 “missed” PI calls on Hogan, Edelman and Hollister on the same series in the second half. Dan Fouts was running out of excuses in the Rolodz in those sequences, as if Fouts and Eagle aren’t awkward enough for CBS.

    Not why they lost, but give it a rest already. Tenn was not losing that game, with the way the game was called. Even the textbook play by Gilmore on there dropped INT by Harmon was not PI, but it was mysteriously called. You troll morons see what you want to see.

  25. mzew233 says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:09 am
    Probably not now that everyone is healthy and theyll learn from it. However they did lose homefield advantage with that loss. With KC 2 Games ahead. Pitt and now the Chargers 1 game ahead. Even if KC loses to either the Rams or Chargers, Pats are still #4 seed.

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    first, whoever wins the afc south will not have a better record than the patriots, so your 4 seed talk is out the window.
    next, the steelers wont beat the pats, so again the 2 seed is clearly within the realm of possibilities. if im a betting man, i know kc will throw up 2 stinkers before now and then, and new england will run their table, once again making me have to watch the bloody patriots in the superbowl

  26. The pats wouldn’t have beaten any team the way they played Sunday missing your starting guard was bad enough then both bookends go out no gronk and first game back for sony.Add in the poor st play that hurt field position and poor first half denfese and you have a recipe for a loss.the defense kept them in it only giving up ten in the second half and 7 of that was a run it up score late in the game.they earned a 7-3 record time to rest and get ready for the stretch run.

  27. tylawspick6 says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:56 am
    patriotmaleorgy says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:11 am

    I’m surprised Goodell hasn’t fired the crew for not throwing more flags the patriots way.

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    Yeah, as opposed to the 3 “missed” PI calls on Hogan, Edelman and Hollister on the same series in the second half. Dan Fouts was running out of excuses in the Rolodz in those sequences, as if Fouts and Eagle aren’t awkward enough for CBS.

    Not why they lost, but give it a rest already. Tenn was not losing that game, with the way the game was called. Even the textbook play by Gilmore on there dropped INT by Harmon was not PI, but it was mysteriously called. You troll morons see what you want to see.

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    Let me start by saying that my team stinks and I can admit it. Do you ever do anything but make excuses for your team when they lose?

  28. Brady doesn’t look like Brady this year. It’s not as bad as 2013, but man, something is off. There were a couple drops, but for the most part, he’s just off on his targets. He’s also not spreading the ball as much. The thing that made him so tough to defend was he spreads the ball so defenders can’t lock down on all the weapons. But looks like he was just locking in on 3 targets all game long – Gordon, Edleman, and White. Where was Dorsett and Hogan? Those guys if all the WRs are on the field, would have 4th, 5th DBs covering them one on one.

  29. “edukator44 says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:58 am
    if im a betting man, i know kc will throw up 2 stinkers before now and then”

    You are delusional and need to get off the Brady sauce. KC will not drop 2 games nor will New England just ‘SMASH’ Pitt. Did you not see the loss yesterday?

  30. You are delusional and need to get off the Brady sauce. KC will not drop 2 games nor will New England just ‘SMASH’ Pitt. Did you not see the loss yesterday

    This comment is the classic reaction to the last thing you saw

    How NE played yesterday has NOTHING to do with how they play there next game or when they play Pittsburgh

    You want proof go watch how they played against The lions
    They won 6 in a row averaging 41 points a game.
    It means absolutely nothing when they play there next game against a different team.

  31. willycents says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:52 am
    The Titans did to the Pats exactly what Denver did a few years ago: Made Brady move off his spot with pressure and “took away” the short stuff and made him go deep more than he likes. Case in point: Gordon was targeted 12 times, with 4 receptions. Half those targets were totally un-catchable, not even in the ballpark of the receiver. Brady has always relied on short passes and run after the catch, not known for a strong, accurate arm. His air-yards-per pass distance averages less than 3.5 yards per attempt.

    That’s wrong!!

    His air yards per pass distance are 5.4
    By comparison Drew Brees is 5.6
    Ben Roethlisberger is 4.6

    The stat is CAY (average completed air yards)

    You can find it on NFL next generation stats

  32. That’s only going to work on the road. In Gillette, if you touch Tammy they will call you for roughing the passer. Also, if you even look at their receivers you get called for pass interference.

  33. YES!!! Go to you tube, search’ Bart Scott Can’t Wait’. Bart tells you why . the patriots defence can’t stop a nosebleed! Can’t wait to see the patriots get plenty more good old fashion butt whippings this season.

  34. tylawspick6 says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:18 am

    The latter point, is really the key. The Binky Addiciton is alive and well and it’s time for BB to step in and slap McD/Brady in this area.
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    Funny how a healthy Gronk, run game and o-line defeat that ‘addiction’ issue.
    Karas is no substitute for Mason, that was pretty clear to any knowledgeable Pats fan yesterday. Unless “BB” can slap “McD/Brady” hard enough to knock Mason, Gronk and the running game into shape it’s your sorry narrative that’s moot. Brady has more than earned the right to handle the home/work life balance as he sees fit. For all we know the widely held suspicion that skipping OTA’s was the compromise he struck with the Mrs is accurate. I’ve been watching this team since I was a kid freezing my butt off at Fenway to do it. While this golden run has made the sting of the Sullivan/Kiam years seem like it happened somewhere else. The flip side of it is back then there were only serious fans talking about them, we didn’t have kidlets spewing nonsense.

  35. WFLPC.INC says:
    November 12, 2018 at 12:18 pm

    tylawspick6 says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:56 am
    patriotmaleorgy says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:11 am

    I’m surprised Goodell hasn’t fired the crew for not throwing more flags the patriots way.

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    Yeah, as opposed to the 3 “missed” PI calls on Hogan, Edelman and Hollister on the same series in the second half. Dan Fouts was running out of excuses in the Rolodz in those sequences, as if Fouts and Eagle aren’t awkward enough for CBS.

    Not why they lost, but give it a rest already. Tenn was not losing that game, with the way the game was called. Even the textbook play by Gilmore on there dropped INT by Harmon was not PI, but it was mysteriously called. You troll morons see what you want to see.

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    Let me start by saying that my team stinks and I can admit it. Do you ever do anything but make excuses for your team when they lose?

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    Umm, excuse me? I was responding to the toad above who claims NE only wins a lot because Goodell helps them with calls. It’s the most ridiculous thing ever stated in human history.

    10 years of Goodell hired to grow the league artificially with rule changes for offense, cheating when he is told to by the owners, to get parity back, and somehow this is helping NE? It’s just laughable.

    I already said NE got outplayed and congrats to Tenn for winning their SB. They’ll lose next week and finish 9-7 or something.

    As for the Pats, they need to get back to basics and Brady/McD need to be called out by BB for an atrocious gameplan and horrible playcalling, which has been going on for weeks.

    You’d think this was 2013 or 2015 with injuries everywhere and Thompkins and Dobson at starting WR with Gronk on IR or something.

    Enough.

    Brady got what he wanted, I said it when he skipped OTAs, that the pressure is now on, and now he’s showing he is failing.

    We shall see.

    You don’t get everything you want in support by BB the GM, release avacado books and do docs, have Guerrero rub your thighs down for road games, and then escape accountability.

    – Pats Fan, 36 years, season tickets in family since ’78

  36. The Patriots looked dead tired, no energy, for-crap effort and got hammered by a Titans team that considered this their SB and played lights out.

    So congrats to Vrabel and the guys, they deserved it.

    After the buy I think NE comes out and looks like a different team, but that might not be good enough against the top of the AFC this year. But I wouldn’t write ’em off just yet – the Steelers are more than capable of coughing one up, and no one with a functioning hippocampus would bet on Andy Reid in the playoffs.

  37. johnnyhambone says:
    November 12, 2018 at 12:48 pm
    YES!!! Go to you tube, search’ Bart Scott Can’t Wait’. Bart tells you why . the patriots defence can’t stop a nosebleed! Can’t wait to see the patriots get plenty more good old fashion butt whippings this season.

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    Since that youtube video in Jan 2011 the Patriots went to 7 AFC Championship Games and 3 Super Bowls in the last 4 years. Meanwhile the Jets have been in a constant state of implosion since then. So not sure what that means exactly.

  38. Titans Blueprint to beating the Patriots :

    Get after Brady (obviously)
    Hope that their best receiver and best O-lineman are out

    It was a beating but Pats have plenty of reason to be hopeful. Bye week will provide valuable time for the team to get healthy. 7-3 and the 4th highest scoring offense who are having a “down” year so far ain’t that bad. And all while missing their best WR, RB, o-lineman, and Gronk for significant time this year.

  39. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:

    November 12, 2018 at 11:13 am

    Belichick will make the necessary adjustments so teams can’t use the Titans game plan as a blueprint. That’s the genius of Belichick. In Belichick we trust.

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    So what’s your opinion of SF QB Mullens? Did the 49ers “trade for the wrong QB”?

  40. The Patriots were missing Gronk, who is always injured… The Titans were missing Delanie Walker, another Pro Bowl TE, and Rishard Matthews, who quit on the team.

    Excuses… everyone has them. But it’s hilarious when Patriots fans make excuses, as if they don’t have the best coach in the league… as if they haven’t won a bunch of Super Bowls in the last 15-20 years…

  41. Brady has been playing for 19 years. How many more blue prints do teams need? You pressure any QBs successfully and you get the same result. There’s no mystery to it. Teams lose any given Sunday. Pats will get their injured players back and they will morph yet again. It’s a testament to the Pats’ greatness that we don’t expect them to lose… at all.

  42. Every team comes out and craps the bed every now and again … and I don’t want to take a thing away from the Titans…and I don’t care about the Pats one way or the other.

    We all have witnessed what happens when two teams meet again after one has an exemplary game against the other. This game won’t mean doodly squat if they meet again later.

  43. It’s not as easy as easy to do for alot of teams for one. Second, the Pats had a real stinker yesterday combined with the Titans stepping up and playing a complete game.

    Goes to show how good BB and the Pats are that they’ve been so consistently good for so long. When you are, and you get beat like you did yesterday you have to own it.

  44. 345snarkavenue says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:47 am
    My opinion (Pats fan here):

    The Titans had a great game plan and executed it well. They deserved the win.

    (snip)
    Nice win Titans.

    Thanks for that (not a Pats or Titans fan). It’s just refreshing to see a gracious and magnanimous fan.

  45. willycents says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:52 am
    The Titans did to the Pats exactly what Denver did a few years ago: Made Brady move off his spot with pressure and “took away” the short stuff and made him go deep more than he likes.

    So what you’re saying is that they beat the NE oline. No QB can prosper with the total lack of protection he’s getting.

  46. mzew233 says:
    November 12, 2018 at 11:09 am
    Probably not now that everyone is healthy and theyll learn from it. However they did lose homefield advantage with that loss. With KC 2 Games ahead. Pitt and now the Chargers 1 game ahead. Even if KC loses to either the Rams or Chargers, Pats are still #4 seed.
    ***************************************

    Haha, this guy, really knows his stuff.

    Explain to me Einstein how the Chiefs AND the Chargers can end up ahead of the Pats, as a division winner, when they both play in the same division?

    I know you all want to kill the Pats about seeding, but with a win against Pitt, a loss of KC to the Rams this week and possibly a week 16-17 loss if they rest players, the Pats could end up with the 1 seed – so for a team that’s been as awful as all of you say, there’s a very real scenario where they end up with the 1 seed. Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

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