Passing stats are up around the NFL, but Tom Brady’s are down

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Passing stats around the NFL are up across this board. But there’s one very noteworthy exception.

Patriots quarterback Tom Brady has seen his stats decline this season, and that decline is even more notable within the context of the overall improving passing numbers around the NFL.

Brady is averaging 7.4 yards per pass this year, while the NFL average is 7.5 yards per pass. Last year, Brady averaged 7.9 yards per pass while the NFL average was 7.0 yards per pass.

Brady is completing 65.2 percent of his passes this year, while the NFL average is 65.1 percent. Last year, Brady completed 66.3 percent of his passes while the NFL average was 62.1 percent.

Brady is averaging 1.7 touchdown passes per game, while the NFL average is 1.8. Last year, Brady averaged 2.0 touchdown passes per game, while the NFL average was 1.4.

Brady is averaging 0.7 interceptions per game, while the NFL average is 0.8. Last year, Brady averaged 0.5 interceptions per game, while the NFL average was 0.8.

Brady’s passer rating this year is 94.7, while the NFL average is 94.6. Last year, Brady’s passer rating was 102.8 while the NFL average was 86.9.

Of the 23 quarterbacks who have thrown at least 200 passes both this year and last year, only five have a lower passer rating this year. Brady is one of those five; the others are Matthew Stafford, Deshaun Watson, Case Keenum and Alex Smith.

At age 41, Brady may finally be declining. It had to happen eventually.

148 responses to “Passing stats are up around the NFL, but Tom Brady’s are down

  1. Tom Brady only has 27 playoff wins, five Super Bowl rings. Let’s try not to insult him. The insult is quarterbacks making 25 million a year with no playoff wins. Brady should be making 500 million a year haha according to those chumps.

  2. I know this kind of story will make most NFL fans salivate, but it’s mostly due to the entire Patriots team getting blown out in three games. No run game, no separation of the receivers, no pass blocking. If this continues the rest of the season then it’s a problem, but if the Patriots get their stuff together and play like they did during their win streak, and like they do so many years, then I would expect him to bring those averages back up.

    If not then he very well may be declining, but physically it seems very minor if at all.

  3. “Brady is completing 65.2 percent of his passes this year, while the NFL average is 65.1 percent. Last year, Brady completed 66.3 percent of his passes while the NFL average was 62.1 percent.”

    So Brady is still above average, even though his completion percentage is down less than 1% at the age of 41. 65.2% is actually higher than his career average of 64%. Brady won the SB in 2001, 2003, 2004 and 20014 with completion percentages below his current completion percentage.

    Look at Aaron Rodgers:

    His completion percentage is 61.1 is a full 4% lower than average and is down from 64.7% last year – over a 3.5% drop from year to year – at the age of 34. This is Rodgers lowest completion percentage in his career as a starter. It’s also lower than Rodgers only SB appearance year of 2009 – when his completion percentage was a “lofty” 64.7%.

    Maybe Brady isn’t aging as bad as Mr. Rodgers is…

  4. Brady is leading the offense 28 points per game, winning 70% of the games played. This has only been going on for 15 years. 8 or 9 Super Bowl appearances. He’s the best in the business. Probably has a winning record vs every quarterback he’s ever played against. Hopefully he calls it quits by 2025 haha.

  5. There’s no other QB I’d rather have leading my team into the playoffs than Tammy. I think he’ll be just fine despite not having as many play makers around him as some of the other top QB’s in the league. He’s been doing it his whole career.

  6. The problem is bill belechik as a gm. Bad drafting especially over the past few years is taking its toll.

  7. Yes Bill Belichick is the problem. This will only be his 18th consecutive winning season LOL. 90% of the teams can’t complete two winning seasons in a row.

  8. Gronk has not been the same player and has missed games, too. That hurts Brady big-time. Besides, it’s hard to maintain the standards the Brady has set all these years. I laugh when I see or hear people saying Brady is through or the Patriots are through. Even if they don’t win the Super Bowl again, no one wants to play them in the playoffs.

  9. Shed no tears for Brady – when he retires he’ll make a smooth transition into national politics and he’ll become even more rich and get a lot of power in the process.

  10. His last game was unusually poor (for him), dragging down the average of the previous 8. The rest is due to a 3-year spell (2015-2017) in which he was notably above his career average. If you go back to 2013-14 you’ll find 2 years of stats averaging same or lower than this year’s (and one of his 5 SB rings). Media keep predicting the end because one day, like the broken clock they’ve been for 4yrs, they’ll be right. Meanwhile we’ve got possibly 3 or 4 more years of their salty nonsense.

  11. chools119 says:
    November 14, 2018 at 6:22 am
    ..problem is bill belechik as a gm. Bad drafting especially over the past few years is taking its toll.
    ———————–
    Wrong. What he’s done is what no other GM has come within a million miles of – producing a sort of dynasty in the era of Parity Rules (cap and FA) which are designed to stop teams dominating like his. Even if you go back to the pre-Parity Era dynasties like the 9ers or Steelers, they didn’t dominate for more than 6 years or so, and certainly weren’t the team to beat for 17yrs. This is why Park Ave hates Belichick, and why you do too.

  12. Huge cracks in Cheaterville. What will they do after Brady?
    The asterisk will always be placed next to those fake championships.

  13. Way to go–now they are guaranteed to go undefeated the rest of the way while he averages 5 TDs per game…..

  14. It pains me as a Pats fan, but Brady’s play has definitely declined this year. Even the local radio homers admit it. But this was his first year in his career skipping OTAs, despite what he said previously about them in 2013:

    “He (Bill Belichick) talks about, you think it’s just an OTA in the spring time and it’s not that important and all those things that probably could enter your mind. The truth is, this lays the foundation for the start of training camp and if you have a good training camp, it usually means a good start to the season. A good start to the season leads to good position entering the second half of the season. Everything ends up having some significance to it. You’re not just out here running plays and going through different things that aren’t going to mean anything. We’re out here trying to get a lot of things accomplished.”

  15. I
    stellarperformance says:
    November 14, 2018 at 6:22 am
    Rodgers has been playing on one leg.

    Let that sink in….

    Yeah. It’s either he’s hurt or it’s the coaches fault blah blah blah

  16. Drew Bree’s and Pat Mahomes are a big chuck of the reason stats are up on average. Take just those 2 MVP candidates out of the equation and I’d like to see what those averages are for the rest of the league. Although that astoundingly bad trifecta in Buffalo May have evened things out a bit.

  17. .
    This year’s supporting cast has not been one of Brady’s strongest. RBs Jeremy Hill and Rex Burkhead were both on IR by week two, leaving them with only rookie Sony Michel in the backfield. The receiving corp has been hampered by both Edelman’s suspension and Gronks injuries. The offensive line play has been spotty at best.
    .

  18. And yet a declining Tom Brady would still be in demand for most teams. The sports would becomes insufferable any time the Pats lose a game.

  19. the most telling stat is the number of people that say he’s done and should retire, yet if he was playing so poorly you’d think they would want him to stay, so him and the Patriots lose more.

  20. I’m no Brady apologist, believe me, I’d love to see him retire and move to the Bahamas, however, without looking to the rest of the team and the talent (or lack thereof) those stats are meaningless. Brady only gets those stats if the guy on the other end catches the ball. He has a collection of 2nd stringers and Gronk can’t seem to stay healthy. Given what he has to work with, you might say he’s playing better than ever. Same for Rodgers.

  21. Rodgers has been playing on one leg.

    Let that sink in….

    —–

    that’s a serious exaggeration, however they are 4-4-1, while the Pats are 7-3.

    I imagine that hasn’t sunk in yet.

  22. Brady thinking he can play to age 45 is laughable. Hes done. Noodle arm. Next year will be a disaster for him and Belichek. This is on Kraft. Bradys last season is next season. Book it.

  23. He had an MVP caliber season last year and came back down to earth. The rest of the Pats aren’t looking so hot this year either. Receiving corps held together by a player that got there an hour ago and a slot receiver coming off an acl tear. Gronk might be done. The run game depends on a rookie with one knee and the amazing James White, but White is no workhorse. Burkhead not even worth talking about, if he returns he won’t be healthy for five minutes. Defense average at best. I don’t think it’s the end of the road or anything. but this might be an AFCCG and out year. Which is still impressive, just not their standard I guess.

  24. 19 years’ worth of experience as a top tier NFL QB is something you just can’t buy. These days in all of the NFL there are not that many really good QBs. I’ll stick with Brady, even if he is declining (which he’s not).

  25. Lets see how the season ends up. The issues the Pats showed in their losses were not with Tom Brady. If they fix those issues and the team goes on to win it then we can look at stats. And if Bradys are lower then we can use the offseason debaling whether he was slipping or if Belichick had a different scheme less dependent on one player posting numbers.

  26. Browns fan here. It blows me away for how long people try to slam this guy. The GOAT. it’s not even close. I respect the heck out of him and even if he is diminishing a bit- he’s still elite and there’s no one else I’d rather have when I’d need a win. People should just appreciate what you’ve seen and are seeing.

  27. We all learned a long time ago that you can make numbers tell you almost anything. You can spin them and have them support almost whatever position you want.

    Here are some numbers: 8 Super Bowls, 5 Lombardi trophies. Spin that.

  28. Wow stats are lots of fun to play around with. I found a stat that Tom Brady overwhelmingly leads the league in. When you poll NFL coaches and GM’s, and ask them which QB you would like to have if you were playing in the super bowl. To me, that’s by far the most important stat. Also, some QB’s are aware that people who don’t understand football, compare QB’s by looking at stats, so they check down for a 4 yard completion on 3rd and 10 and punt. Then when they lose they point to the stat sheet and say it wasn’t my fault. We swallow that stuff hook, line, and sinker. Well, not all of us.

  29. Any decline will not matter much as the pathetic state of AFC East plus the oh so Patriot helpful referees will ensure the Patsies another trip to the SB.

  30. He’s been poor to average in many of the superbowls also, wildly missing on throws, eating sacks, dropping passes.
    Product of system, not great skill.
    Truth.

  31. Reports are that tapes shows Brady’s mechanics were way off on Sunday. Fixable. 🙂

    I will believe he is finally declining when his arm strength declines and he loses the ability to throw those short darts without them getting knocked down or picked and we see the floaters that we saw with Manning. Don’t see it yet. 🙂 But I hope they put that stupid Philly Special play in the trash can.

    There is one area of the team that has declined big time and it needs to be addressed. Avg Kick return yards allowed

    2012: 3rd best in NFL
    2013: 6th
    2014: 5th
    2015: 2nd
    2016: 3rd
    2017: 3rd
    So far in 2018: 29th. 🤔 Fix it!

  32. I love to hate the Patriots more than anyone and this is from a Steeler fan but come on now…we are talking half a percentage point here or there over HALF A SEASON. Dude is the best of all times and it’s not really very close. Let’s be realistic and not nit pick please…

  33. sjd1234 says:
    November 14, 2018 at 7:51 am
    Browns fan here. It blows me away for how long people try to slam this guy. The GOAT. it’s not even close. I respect the heck out of him and even if he is diminishing a bit- he’s still elite and there’s no one else I’d rather have when I’d need a win. People should just appreciate what you’ve seen and are seeing.

    —————-
    Its because a lot of fan bases are sick of the Patriots always being better than they are, and they have given up on hope of their teams improving to surpass the Patriots and instead they wish for the Patriots to fall below them. So they will lap up any presentation of numbers that might even in the most roundabout way suggest they might be getting their wish. Those who make their living gaining readership for their articles would be remiss not to tap into this market to feed their advertisers. (I would be doing that too in their shoes) Since Brady is a central figure a lot of these articles will revolve around him. The funnynthing is that the Patriots have indeed shown some gapsvthat if not corrected will cause them to come up short, but Brady is not one of them, his numbers are more just a symtom than any root cause.

  34. Missing a top receiver for the 1st 3 games and Gronk being hurt hasn’t helped. Tom is adjusting to that and maybe its affected him a little but he’s still the #1 QB in the league today.

  35. TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:00 am
    Once Brady is gone so will all the front running Pats fans.

    ——-

    it’s been a great run though, don’t you think?

  36. u4iadman says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:02 am
    He’s been poor to average in many of the superbowls also, wildly missing on throws, eating sacks, dropping passes.
    Product of system, not great skill.
    Truth.

    Yeah because it was the “system “ that allowed him to hit amandola on that 15 yards out on 3rd down from the 2 against Atlanta in the SB

    I could go on but the “system “ argument is too lame.

  37. sjd1234 says:
    November 14, 2018 at 7:51 am
    Browns fan here. It blows me away for how long people try to slam this guy. The GOAT. it’s not even close. I respect the heck out of him and even if he is diminishing a bit- he’s still elite and there’s no one else I’d rather have when I’d need a win. People should just appreciate what you’ve seen and are seein

    Most people on pft let there envy get in the way.

  38. Funny how Eli Manning wins one game and everyone praises how “he’s back” blah blah blah. While Brady’s numbers are down from MVP level, yet still high and everyone says the end is here. The eyeball test tells me that his o-line hasn’t been playing it’s best and his receivers haven’t been getting open. Half his incomplete passes are throwaways, not actual incomplete passes.

  39. He has not been playing to the standard one expects so far this year. One play that really stands out for me is a sideline pattern to White in last week’s game that he basically spiked, about 3 yards wide and hitting the turf well short of where the receiver was. It was shocking to see that live.

    The entire team played lousy last week and he needs to have a tight end out running pass patterns. But he in particular needs to improve his play.

  40. u4iadman says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:02 am
    He’s been poor to average in many of the superbowls also, wildly missing on throws, eating sacks, dropping passes.
    Product of system, not great skill.
    Truth.
    ________________________________________________

    What have you been watching??? Poor to average??? 500 yards in a loss, a 20 minute come back from 28-3, two 4th quarter drives against the best defense in the league… may I suggest you replace your Patriot hater glasses with a pair that actually help you see better???

  41. He’s a long way from the 9 TD’s and 17 INT’s Peyton Manning threw at the same age. Or was Manning only 40?

  42. TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:00 am

    Once Brady is gone so will all the front running Pats fans.

    ====================================

    From what I’ve observed, most of them jumped on the bandwagon after they started winning in 2001 and probably have no idea who John Hannah, Stanley Morgan, Andre Tippett or Rod Rust were. I suspect that a lot of them will be looking for a new team after Belichik leaves and/or the Pats start losing again.

  43. For those who pay close attention to this team, its not Brady. Its the fact that Gronkowski has had issues. Its the fact that he is trying to assimilate talent into the receiving corp on the fly (Thanks Bill). Amendola gone. Lewis gone. Cooks gone. His O line has had injuries…his top 3 ball carriers got hurt. He is trying to do what he always does….patch it together. Much of that is the GMs fault…not Brady’s. Has he been off a throw here or there ? No different than years past if you watch this team.

    I think you are all shoveling dirt on the Goat a Liiiiiiiiittle too early friends.

    See you in the AFC Title game 😉

  44. TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:00 am

    Once Brady is gone so will all the front running Pats fans.
    ________________________________________________________________

    Lets say the average Patriots fan is 25-35, this makes your “bandwagon, front running fans” thing kinda weak. You see that would mean that the average Pats fan grew up with the Brady Belichick Patriots and know no other. Tough to be a bandwagoner if that’s all you’ve known.

  45. Wow! Who would have thought after only 19 seasons he would only be ‘above average’.

    Probably the most amazing friggin career in both success and longevity.

  46. In 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls and last 7 straight AFC Championships and leading his division by two games with a good chance at another playoff run. No Patriots fan has a right to complain about a thing.

    He’s going to decline. it’s just a fact of life. However, it’s going to be fun to watch the last chapter of his career. Manning won a Super Bowl with basically no arm left and a superior football intellect, and if the Patriots are smart, Tom can do the same. There’s still a way to build a team around him that can win for a few years if he wants to play.

  47. Only 2 stats matter.
    1) Brady’s stats are down significantly against himself. That is a decline.
    2) Brady is in the bottom 5 QBs. That is a decline. He has never been there.

    All the justifications are just homers’ inability to let go. This isn’t about Aaron Rodgers (MOM I KNOW I STOLE THE PIE BUT JIMMY SPILLED MILK ON THE FLOOR!). Rodgers plays on a different team, with different personnel, and an arguably bad coach. Apples and oranges. And his stats aren’t down because they got blown out, they got blown out because his stats are down.

    Anyone who watches him play can see that he has less zip, less accuracy, and just generally looks 41. Every other QB in modern history has had the same decline, and Brady is no exception. BB is likely going to scheme around it – he already is (think Sony Michel). But Brady is in decline. I have always said BB is the real star of that yeam anyway.

  48. araidersfan says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:44 am
    TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:00 am

    Once Brady is gone so will all the front running Pats fans.

    ====================================

    From what I’ve observed, most of them jumped on the bandwagon after they started winning in 2001 and probably have no idea who John Hannah, Stanley Morgan, Andre Tippett or Rod Rust were. I suspect that a lot of them will be looking for a new team after Belichik leaves and/or the Pats start losing again.

    From a guy who watched since before Plunkett was drafted, when the only time you could see the Pats was in person, they will probably do what many many fans of teams previously known as good did. Come here and rag on winning teams.

  49. stellarperformance says:
    November 14, 2018 at 6:22 am
    Rodgers has been playing on one leg.

    Let that sink in….

    I could have sworn I saw 2 legs and 2 shoes when he got his butt handed to him by NE. He is however in the running for NFLDQ with Big Ben.

  50. araidersfan says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:44 am
    TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:00 am

    Once Brady is gone so will all the front running Pats fans.

    ====================================

    From what I’ve observed, most of them jumped on the bandwagon after they started winning in 2001 and probably have no idea who John Hannah, Stanley Morgan, Andre Tippett or Rod Rust were.

    ——-

    Well yeah, logic would dictate that.

    My kids were ages 11, 8 and 6 when the Patriots went to the SB with Parcells, and were 16, 13 and 11 when they won their first SB.

    They’re now 33, 30, and 28.

    I’d estimate at least 1/3 of the Patriots fan base (I’m talking New Englanders or decendants of New Englanders) aren’t really old enough to be familiar with players from before the Kraft era.

    They only know winning. It’s not their fault.

  51. There are numbers more telling than these that show Brady is not right. He’s last in the NFL in passer rating vs the blitz; Russell Wilson has a quarterback rating of 129.4 versus the blitz while Brady has a 59.6 QB rating in similar situations (per ESPN). On October 30, Scott Kacsmar tweeted that only Mitchell Trubisky has thrown more passes off target than Brady has this season; third/fourth/fifth worse were Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, and Josh Allen respectively. And that was before a brutal performance against the Titans.

    Pats fans are whistling through the graveyard if they don’t see Brady having an average year at best at QB. Luckily for them, they still have four games against the dumpster fire that is the AFC East.

  52. araidersfan says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:44 am
    TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:00 am
    Once Brady is gone so will all the front running Pats fans.
    ====================================
    From what I’ve observed, most of them jumped on the bandwagon after they started winning in 2001 and probably have no idea who John Hannah, Stanley Morgan, Andre Tippett or Rod Rust were. I suspect that a lot of them will be looking for a new team after Belichik leaves and/or the Pats start losing again.

    ————-

    You are thinking about it the wrong way…

    Kids that were 10 in 2001 started watching football just as Brady led the improbable final drive against the Rams. They are now 28 years old and have been Patriots fans their whole lives.

    For those of us that can appreciate the previous generation of great Patriots players like Hannah and Morgan, it’s fine, but there are many life-long fans of the Patriots between the ages of 10 and 30 that will always be Patriots fans just like many people have always been fans of the Steelers from their run in the 70’s or the 49ers from their run in the 80s.

    They aren’t bandwagon fans.

  53. gregbeau says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:34 am
    He has not been playing to the standard one expects so far this year. One play that really stands out for me is a sideline pattern to White in last week’s game that he basically spiked, about 3 yards wide and hitting the turf well short of where the receiver was. It was shocking to see that live.
    The entire team played lousy last week and he needs to have a tight end out running pass patterns. But he in particular needs to improve his play.

    —————-

    I believe he threw that away because it was going for no gain. However, even if I am wrong, it’s not the only time in his career he’s made a bad throw. He’s come out cold plenty of times against Rex Ryan defenses for example. Throwing the ball in the dirt. Heck, he lost a Super Bowl 17-14 with maybe the greatest offense ever. He’s never been perfect.

    A few weeks ago nobody was complaining when he beat KC.

    We just have to enjoy it and hope he still has some magic left when he needs it.

  54. u4iadman says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:02 am
    He’s been poor to average in many of the superbowls also, wildly missing on throws, eating sacks, dropping passes.
    Product of system, not great skill.
    Truth.

    —————-

    Most NFL fans can only hope for the day that their QB is judged based on their performance in “many of the superbowls”.

  55. Even if you go back to the pre-Parity Era dynasties like the 9ers or Steelers, they didn’t dominate for more than 6 years or so, and certainly weren’t the team to beat for 17yrs.
    =====

    The 9ers run was very similar.

    17 10-win seasons in 18 years.. 16 in a row.. with multiple roster changeovers.. their only losing season in that span was a strike-shortened year.

    The difference was, there were other All-Time greats they ran up against. Gibbs 4 Super Bowls, Parcells/Belichick 2, the Bears 46.

  56. Tom vs. Time was a similar movie as Titanic: you know what will be the end. Still, as the Titanic, the product on the way to the end is still very enjoyable. So, enjoy it while it lasts. Oh, you not a Patriots fan?! Patience, your time eventually will come, not yet though.

  57. orndorf2 says:
    November 14, 2018 at 7:36 am
    This Pats team will not have post season success. They are a flawed bunch and true Pats fans know it.

    ———-

    The 2001 Patriots had 5 losses through 10 games. They beat the 3 best teams in the league to win the Super Bowl.

    The 2011 Giants lost 4 of 5 games from week 10-14. The Packers were 15-1 and lost to the Giants. Then Eli had to fight a war against SF and beat NE in the Super Bowl.

    The 2010 Packers lost 7-3 to the Lions in December and went on to win.

    Every team has flaws, whether they have shown them yet or not. It’s all about making the playoffs and how you play for those 3 or 4 games.

    The only teams that have no chance to win are the teams that are already out of the playoff hunt.

  58. So what I read here is that Tom Brady isn’t having a MVP type year at this point in time.

    Big freaking deal.

    at some point in time all the folks who have been predicting the demise, falling off the cliff, father time catching up with Tom Brady will be right.

    but for the last 8 years, the likes of Smith, parker and others who have gone on record saying it is happing now ( as in the last 8 years), none of them have said at the end of the year.. hey I guess I was wrong… no they just keep saying it is happing..

    Come on man… man up say you were wrong the last 8 years and then when you say it again… well you get my point.

  59. orndorf2 says: “This Pats team will not have post season success. They are a flawed bunch and true Pats fans know it.”
    ===========================

    They’ve already beaten 3 division-leading teams (Kansas City, Chicago and Houston) plus Aaron Rodgers. Incidentally, the three losses are to teams that aren’t even in the playoff picture right now.

    No team is perfect and that’s why Belichick gets them focused on one game at a time.

  60. aarons444 says:
    November 14, 2018 at 9:24 am
    Even if you go back to the pre-Parity Era dynasties like the 9ers or Steelers, they didn’t dominate for more than 6 years or so, and certainly weren’t the team to beat for 17yrs.
    =====
    The 9ers run was very similar.
    17 10-win seasons in 18 years.. 16 in a row.. with multiple roster changeovers.. their only losing season in that span was a strike-shortened year.
    The difference was, there were other All-Time greats they ran up against. Gibbs 4 Super Bowls, Parcells/Belichick 2, the Bears 46.

    ————

    Uh… the Patriots had to play against Peyton and Ben. To this day Ben, Peyton or Brady have represented the AFC in the Super Bowl 15 of the last 17 years and 14 of the last 15 years. Only one they missed was when Flacco beat the Steelers in the division, had a miracle play to beat Manning and went on to beat NE. Otherwise it would have been 15-15.

    Ben has been to 3 Super Bowls and won two and Manning to 4 and won two. Only a small handful of guys in that category.

    Throw in SD in 2005-2007 and Baltimore from 2001 to 2012 as great teams they had to face.

    The Patriots have had to face all time greats.

  61. Patriot recievers: Gronk’s missed four games, Edelman suspended for four, Gordon came in mid-season, Patterson got moved to RB for a couple of games, Sony Michel got moved up after Burkhead was put on IR…

    Brady’s stats will be fine by year end and the recieving corp will be ready for the playoffs.

  62. Am a big Brady fan as there is out there. What’s he’s done over the past 18 years is just amazing – has the stats to go along with the wins and championships. No denying he is the G.O.A.T. But this year he just looks off. Not every year is MVP caliber, but his numbers this year are just average. Brady is held to such a high standard (as should be), so anything less is news. In 2013, he had no weapons (an undraft rookie, Thompkins, was his top receiving threat), but this year, that’s not the case. If Gordon, Edleman, White are double covered, Hogan and Dorsette should be having a field day. But they’re not getting the ball and the balls are being forced into Gordon and/or White. Hope this is just a hiccup, and not father time knocking.

  63. stellarperformance says:
    November 14, 2018 at 6:22 am
    Rodgers has been playing on one leg.
    Let that sink in….

    ————

    Brady was in a walking boot the week before losing the perfect season to the Giants in 2007/2008. All that is remembered is the Patriots only scored 14 points and suffered the helmet catch.

    The next year in 2008 the Patriots missed the playoffs. Brady missed the season, but nobody cares about that either.

    Rodgers is dealing with an injury, like most other great players in the league have dealt with throughout their career, but in the end people will only remember the standings.

  64. Arron Davis says:
    November 14, 2018 at 5:51 am
    Time to call it quits.
    ___________________________

    Agreed!! He quits and just maybe NE doesn’t win their division.

    With him (declining or not), NE is an almost lock to go to the AFC Championship game,… again (and again and again).

  65. bullcharger says:
    November 14, 2018 at 9:08 am

    You are thinking about it the wrong way…
    ———————————————-

    Regardless of the number of sock puppets chip posts under (and as expected she’s rapidly emptying the drawer here) there’s no thinking involved, just envy and jealousy fueled unchecked patsanoia.
    The sellouts didn’t start with Brady, they started 7 years earlier when the team finally got a competent owner. I’ve been with this team since I was a kid watching them in Fenway. If the emotional investment I made then in our little team that couldn’t carried me all the way through the Sullivan ownership, (shudder) Kiam era (or more aptly error) and past Orthwein the would be carpetbagger to the promised land of truly dedicated competent ownership in the Krafts just think how far this golden run will carry the current generation of Pats fans. Fools who think New England will simply abandon the Pats apparently aren’t paying attention to the past hundred or so years. This is the region that supported the Sox through 3 generations of ineptitude and heart breaking failure. The same one that bled black and gold for 39 empty years and survived Pitino urinating on the Celts legacy and blaming us for it. In New England politics, sports and revenge are our favorite past times, though not necessarily in that order.

    The lion’s share of us will still be here long after the trolls move on to sniping at whoever breaks their pathetic little hearts next.

  66. Pats fans are so sensitive. “bUt BrAdY hAs nO oNe tO tHrOw tO!”

    The dude’s age is catching up with him – deal with it. This is life folks. No amount of avocado ice cream and kale shakes will stop the wheel of life from turning. You’re also insecure if you’re letting 3 losses get you this upset. They play in the AFC East, all will be fine by the end of the season.

  67. chools119 says:
    November 14, 2018 at 6:22 am
    The problem is bill belechik as a gm. Bad drafting especially over the past few years is taking its toll.

    —————

    I wouldn’t say the problem is BB as a GM. He deserves credit for getting to 7 straight AFCCGs and 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls. Some of that is roster building. Hightower and Flowers made big plays in the biggest games. Mitchell made huge plays in 2014. Logan Ryan was key. Maybe we shouldn’t have let some guys go but there has been some good draft picks. That is despite being penalized heavily.

    The last 2 years haven’t been as good because of injury mostly. Still a chance to turn it around. If Rivers, Michel and Dawson play well for the rest of the season and Bentley comes back strong next year then it will not have been a bust.

  68. mkreef says:
    November 14, 2018 at 7:11 am

    It pains me as a Pats fan, but Brady’s play has definitely declined this year. Even the local radio homers admit it. But this was his first year in his career skipping OTAs, despite what he said previously about them in 2013:

    “He (Bill Belichick) talks about, you think it’s just an OTA in the spring time and it’s not that important and all those things that probably could enter your mind. The truth is, this lays the foundation for the start of training camp and if you have a good training camp, it usually means a good start to the season. A good start to the season leads to good position entering the second half of the season. Everything ends up having some significance to it. You’re not just out here running plays and going through different things that aren’t going to mean anything. We’re out here trying to get a lot of things accomplished.”
    ———————————–

    Of course- it’s Brady skipping the OTA’s. It couldn’t possibly the absolutely PUTRID defense Bill has put together once again. 34 points to the Titans?

    Bills GMing of the last few years is nuts- he has basically let some of the best players walk the last 3-4 years and not replaced them, and this is CLEARLY the worst offensive roster Brady has had to deal with since 2006- imagine how bad it would be if the Pats didn’t luck into Josh Gordan.

    Bill hasn’t hit on a first round pick since Hightower. Maybe Sony Michel will work out- but please show me one Pats fan that thought what the team needed was to pick a running back in the first round verses shoring up the Defense. Teams like Steelers, Saints and Kansas City have hit on EVERY draft of the last 3-4 years- it’s what keeps the cap down and allows you to sign other players. Bill has not really drafted well.

    It’s literally a team with no stars except Brady and an injured Gronk, maybe Gordon will get there, but overall the team is compromised of second tier talent that teams don’t really have to respect.

    Love the Pats, love Brady- they are still a great team, and with a lot of draft picks stacked up for next year hopefully Bill gets better scouting- It’s going to be a much different team next year.

  69. The Patriots have had to face all time greats.
    ======

    They OWNED Manning. You know it, I know it. He beat the Pats once and the Colts crapped out how many times? The Colts were not an all-time great team.

    And all you guys talk about is how you own the Steelers. Every thread. Any time the Steelers are mentioned… but you’re going to tell me how great they were?.. and they played ONCE in the Playoffs in the window the Steelers went to their 3 Super Bowls. One time.

    So, no, there were no great teams during the Patriots dynasty. Just the Pats.

  70. Better not say anything bad about Tammy. Patriots fans will start crying about how you’re being unfair to them.

  71. Whilst the numbers show him to be within tenths of percentage points of the NFL average, when combined with what’s gone on around him, it vaults the numbers right back into the “incredible” category.

    WR1 missed 4 weeks, TE1 is a missing and/or playing hobbled, RB3 is now playing as RB1, and the deep threat WR got there a couple weeks ago.
    The only constants have been Jimmy White and WR3 Chucky Hogan.

  72. Here we go again. When I see this article written after a win, I’ll start sweating then. I don’t think the TEAM is as good this year as it was the last few years, but of the players I’m worried about, Brady isn’t even in the Top 10. My one concern is that he’s forcing balls to Gordon. It’s a good sign in terms of how Gordon is coming along, but I saw this movie before during the end of the Moss years. I saw a stat once, I can’t remember it specifically and I’m not about to go back and crunch 2012 numbers, but the gist of it was that the bulk of Brady’s INTs were coming on these 30+ yard throws downfield to Moss. Nobody could come down with jump balls like Randy (Moss-voice: “They can’t jump with me! Golllllll-LY!!!”), so I get taking the risk to some degree, but Gordon isn’t Moss, as much potential and talent as he does have. So you start forcing those balls, at lower heights….that could be Bad News Bears. Just gotta get Gronk back out on the field, then the defense has three legitimate threats to honor, and that’s not even including White out of the backfield. I don’t know, man, this hasn’t felt like a Super Bowl team from Jump Street, I just try to keep in perspective that probably millions of men have gone to their graves never seeing their team even play in a Super Bowl, let alone winning one, and let alone winning FIVE, and being in serious contention annually. Like this is a relatively bad Patriots team for this era, and their 7-3 and will probably still win the division, have a first round bye, maybe make it to the conference championship. That’s pretty insane, fellas, and this is year 18. Marinate on that for a minute. So like I’ve said before, to all the naysayers lining up to tapdance on what usually ends up being an empty Patriot grave, even on the day when there’s finally a body in there, you don’t get to dance. It’s akin to a dictator who terrorized three generations of your family dying peacefully in his sleep at 110 years old…you didn’t stage a successful coup, don’t dance, you didn’t earn this. Just be relieved that it’s over. But we ain’t there yet, kiddos. Buckle up.

  73. When you’re the Greatest of All Time it shouldn’t matter what pieces you have around you. Although I think he has plenty to work with in that department. Maybe he just had a bad game, it happens. Or maybe is finally showing signs of decline. Or maybe skipping the offseason program for the first his whole career is hampering him. But to blame all this on lack of weapons is stupid. He’s supposed to be the GOAT right? His weapons aren’t the best in the league, but they aren’t awful either.

  74. In 2018 through nine games Brady has played with Edelman for 5 games, Gronk for 7, Gordon for 6. His leading receiver is James White, 61-531-6, way ahead of anyone else in all three categories.

    In 2019 through nine games Brady had played with Cooks for all 9 games, Gronk, Amendola, and Hogan for 8. James White still led the team in receptions, but was fourth in yards and touchdowns.

    Of course his numbers are down – what do you think is going to happen when you replace Brandin Cooks with Philip Dorsett, and have his other receivers miss half the season?

    Apples to apples, please.

  75. mkreef says:
    November 14, 2018 at 7:11 am
    It pains me as a Pats fan, but Brady’s play has definitely declined this year. Even the local radio homers admit it. But this was his first year in his career skipping OTAs, despite what he said previously about them in 2013:
    “He (Bill Belichick) talks about, you think it’s just an OTA in the spring time and it’s not that important and all those things that probably could enter your mind. The truth is, this lays the foundation for the start of training camp and if you have a good training camp, it usually means a good start to the season. A good start to the season leads to good position entering the second half of the season. Everything ends up having some significance to it. You’re not just out here running plays and going through different things that aren’t going to mean anything. We’re out here trying to get a lot of things accomplished.”

    ———–

    Please… He missed 4 games and won the Super Bowl. OTAs are irrelevant at this point.

    BTW… most of the local radio folks in Boston aren’t homers. They hate on Brady more than anyone, while reminiscing of the time when the Patriots had Bledsoe or Curtis Martin and couldn’t win, so the local media looked like geniuses.

  76. And all you guys talk about is how you own the Steelers. Every thread. Any time the Steelers are mentioned… but you’re going to tell me how great they were?.. and they played ONCE in the Playoffs in the window the Steelers went to their 3 Super Bowls. One time

    What are you talking about

    They have played the Steelers in THREE AFC championship games the Patriots won all THREE and 2 were in Pittsburgh
    The Steelers could have been to more SB if not for NE

    So YES they OWN the Steelers

  77. The team took away his #1 receiver (Cooks), his #2 WR Edelman missed a year with an ACL and then 4 games and is just returning to form, Gronk has been hurt all year, he lost his LT, his RT has been hurt half of the year, lost his #1 RB from last year (Lewis), lost 2 replacements (Hill, Burkhead), lost the rookie Michel for many games, and he has always taken time to adapt to new targets. That fact that he is about average in production is actually pretty remarkable, given the personnel.

  78. aarons444 says:
    November 14, 2018 at 10:26 am
    The Patriots have had to face all time greats.
    ======
    They OWNED Manning. You know it, I know it. He beat the Pats once and the Colts crapped out how many times? The Colts were not an all-time great team.
    And all you guys talk about is how you own the Steelers. Every thread. Any time the Steelers are mentioned… but you’re going to tell me how great they were?.. and they played ONCE in the Playoffs in the window the Steelers went to their 3 Super Bowls. One time.
    So, no, there were no great teams during the Patriots dynasty. Just the Pats.
    ——————–
    Even with league enforced parity which did not exist before the last couple of decades, sure they were great teams. 🙂 The 01 Rams were an all time great team. The 04 Eagles were a better team even than the one that beat the Patriots last February. The 13-14 Seahawks were all time great teams. The 13 Broncos were a historically great team too Super Bowl result notwithstanding. The 15 Broncos had one of the best defenses in league history. The Steelers over the last couple of decades, like the Colts in the ’00s, like the Chiefs and Saints this year, may not be a historically great team but it’s silly to say they weren’t great teams.

    Amazing what people will say to downplay this run of the Patriots, something that will be talked about 50 years from now if there still is an NFL. 🙂

  79. Flash1287 says:
    November 14, 2018 at 10:57 am
    And all you guys talk about is how you own the Steelers. Every thread. Any time the Steelers are mentioned… but you’re going to tell me how great they were?.. and they played ONCE in the Playoffs in the window the Steelers went to their 3 Super Bowls. One time

    What are you talking about
    They have played the Steelers in THREE AFC championship games the Patriots won all THREE and 2 were in Pittsburgh
    The Steelers could have been to more SB if not for NE
    So YES they OWN the Steelers
    ——
    I actually think it’s more accurate to say they own Coach Trippy McTripster 🙂

  80. Flash1287 says:
    November 14, 2018 at 10:57 am
    And all you guys talk about is how you own the Steelers. Every thread. Any time the Steelers are mentioned… but you’re going to tell me how great they were?.. and they played ONCE in the Playoffs in the window the Steelers went to their 3 Super Bowls. One time

    What are you talking about
    They have played the Steelers in THREE AFC championship games the Patriots won all THREE and 2 were in Pittsburgh
    The Steelers could have been to more SB if not for NE
    So YES they OWN the Steelers
    ——
    I actually think it’s more accurate to say they own Coach Trippy McTripster. It’s not so much the Patriots that prevent the Steelers from greatness to be honest… it’s Trippy. Fire Trippy Tomlin and the Steelers are immediately much better.

  81. aarons444 says:
    November 14, 2018 at 10:26 am
    The Patriots have had to face all time greats.
    ======
    They OWNED Manning. You know it, I know it. He beat the Pats once and the Colts crapped out how many times? The Colts were not an all-time great team.
    And all you guys talk about is how you own the Steelers. Every thread. Any time the Steelers are mentioned… but you’re going to tell me how great they were?.. and they played ONCE in the Playoffs in the window the Steelers went to their 3 Super Bowls. One time.
    So, no, there were no great teams during the Patriots dynasty. Just the Pats.

    —————

    No, they were all time great teams. The Colts dominated their division more than any team other than the Patriots.

    The Patriots were just better.

    The Patriots bowed out early 2005 and missed the playoffs in 2008 and the Steelers won Both Super Bowls. There is little doubt the 15-1 Steelers would have won in 2004 if not for NE.

    For that stretch until at least 2008 the AFC had all the best teams in the league and the Patriots just found a way to beat them, but they still had great success despite the Patriots blocking them in several years.

    From 2009 onward, I would say the NFC really has had more top teams year over year while the Patriots and Steelers, Denver (with Manning) and Baltimore to some extent remained competitive and the rest of the AFC were not really at the right level.

  82. Extended absences from the Pats best WR, best RBs (plural), best O-lineman, and Gronk will do that sort of thing.

    And despite that, the Patriots offense still has the 4th most points and 5th most yards in the NFL this year. And Brady himself is 5th in passing yards. Combined with a 7-3 record against some tough opponents so far, that’s not so bad. If they can get healthy, the stats will rise.

  83. Can we please stop calling him the GOAT. The last part “All Time” implies that you can see the future and know that nobody else will ever be. The more accurate would be to say of His Generation.

  84. aarons444 says:

    November 14, 2018 at 9:24 am

    Even if you go back to the pre-Parity Era dynasties like the 9ers or Steelers, they didn’t dominate for more than 6 years or so, and certainly weren’t the team to beat for 17yrs.
    =====

    The 9ers run was very similar.

    17 10-win seasons in 18 years.. 16 in a row.. with multiple roster changeovers.. their only losing season in that span was a strike-shortened year.

    The difference was, there were other All-Time greats they ran up against. Gibbs 4 Super Bowls, Parcells/Belichick 2, the Bears 46.

    ============================

    “Multiple roster turnovers”? haha in the modern era of free agency and salary cap the roster turns over constantly, even MORE so when you win. Montana’s 49ers had no such encumbrances.

    And in last 18 years Pats have at least 10 win seasons in 16 of them, including at least 11 wins in 14, and at least 12 wins in 12. And 7 straight conference title game appearances, with 12 appearances overall. No losing seasons. 49ers can’t touch that.

  85. whenwilliteverend says:
    November 14, 2018 at 10:29 am
    Better not say anything bad about Tammy. Patriots fans will start crying about how you’re being unfair to them.
    ————————————-

    Poor little guy. Keep working the sock drawer ’til your blue in the face chip but the beatings will continue until morale improves.

  86. Blah blah blah. Then he ends up back in the Super Bowl and we realize you don’t know what you are talking about.

  87. aarons444 says:

    November 14, 2018 at 10:26 am

    The Patriots have had to face all time greats.
    ======

    They OWNED Manning. You know it, I know it. He beat the Pats once and the Colts crapped out how many times? The Colts were not an all-time great team.

    And all you guys talk about is how you own the Steelers. Every thread. Any time the Steelers are mentioned… but you’re going to tell me how great they were?.. and they played ONCE in the Playoffs in the window the Steelers went to their 3 Super Bowls. One time.

    So, no, there were no great teams during the Patriots dynasty. Just the Pats.

    ==========================================

    I’d put Seattle and St. Louis high up on any list of best SB teams.

  88. Ultimate team game. Brady does his job and he does it well but no way is he the only reason the Pats have five rings. Coaching, defense, and some serious good fortune have every bit as much to do with their success as TB does.

  89. stellarperformance says:
    November 14, 2018 at 6:22 am
    Rodgers has been playing on one leg.

    Let that sink in….

    ______

    Not according to the Packers injury report…..or are you saying the Packers are trying to hide a major injury?

  90. “Drew Bree’s and Pat Mahomes are a big chuck of the reason stats are up on average. Take just those 2 MVP candidates out of the equation and I’d like to see what those averages are for the rest of the league. Although that astoundingly bad trifecta in Buffalo May have evened things out a bit”
    Last year there were five QB which ended with a Passer Rating of over 100. This year after 10 weeks there are 14. If you take Brees and Mahomes out you had four last year over 100 Passer Rating and have 12 QB this year.
    Brees and Mahomes contributed but were not the main reason.

  91. When he throws 4 int’s in one half and gets benched to keep from setting a single game record for int’s(like Peyton). Then I will believe he has lost it.

    Until then, it’s blah…blah…blah

  92. The Patriots are just trying to preserve Brady’s 41 year old arm for the long season and the playoffs. That’s what good teams do. What’s the point of wearing out a 41 year old arm early in the season accumulating stats and have nothing left for December and January?

  93. All he needs to do is eat a couple of steaks and maybe get some contacts. That diet he’s on has him looking a bit weaker than the past, and he’s at an age where vision issues start to crop up. He may not be seeing everything clear enough and a split second delay in processing in the brain can have a very direct effect on doing things with authority versus a lack of.

    Or maybe everyone gets healthy and they all get on the same page, and prove the doubters wrong, and hang a legit banner. Again. Will they ever learn?

  94. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:

    November 14, 2018 at 1:14 pm

    The Patriots are just trying to preserve Brady’s 41 year old arm for the long season and the playoffs. That’s what good teams do. What’s the point of wearing out a 41 year old arm early in the season accumulating stats and have nothing left for December and January?

    =======================================

    Interesting, except, uh, Brady is SECOND in the NFL in pass attempts this year.

    So much for managing his pitch count. Enjoy your Jets.

  95. Guys, Brady only needed a software update. Belichick has already downloaded the patch. He’ll be as good as ever in the upcoming games. He still has 110 gigabytes of RAM, so he’ll have more space now for touchdowns, wins, passing yards, and other accomplishments.

  96. Brady’s stats are down…I guess it means that he and the Patriots are toast and it’s time for him to hang ’em up. That’s what the haters want, anyway. I doubt it will happen, though. Not yet.

  97. araidersfan says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:44 am

    From what I’ve observed, most of them jumped on the bandwagon after they started winning in 2001 and probably have no idea who John Hannah, Stanley Morgan, Andre Tippett or Rod Rust were. I suspect that a lot of them will be looking for a new team after Belichik leaves and/or the Pats start losing again.
    ———-
    from what I’ve observed the Oakland, LA, Oakland, Las Vegas Raiders have been looking for their team for some time.

  98. the17thearlofoxford says:
    November 14, 2018 at 7:12 am

    It’s harder to throw a fully inflated ball.
    ——————–

    How do you know?

  99. Tb12 can and will play better! the oline needs to get healthy and they need gronk and sony back to truly open up the offense.

  100. Plain and simple, Brady’s numbers take a dramatic drop when he is pressured and taking hits, as any QB would. Not convinced Father Time has caught him yet.

  101. All he needs to do is eat a couple of steaks and maybe get some contacts. That diet he’s on has him looking a bit weaker than the past, and he’s at an age where vision issues start to crop up

    —–

    one doesn’t need to eat meat in order to consume protein, which is the source of extended energy. with that said, I like meat, so I eat it.

    the vision comment is an interesting topic though.

  102. No band wagoner here…I suffered through all of the bad Patriots owners, management, coaches and teams. I am enjoying the modern-day Patriots while I can, even if it means being hated.

  103. “Multiple roster turnovers”? haha in the modern era of free agency and salary cap the roster turns over constantly, even MORE so when you win. Montana’s 49ers had no such encumbrances.
    =====

    Name a starter from the ’81 team???.. outside of Clark and Montana..

    IRRC, only 3 9ers have 4 Rings.. Lott, Montana, Keena Tuner.

    There was considerable turnover from ’81 to ’89.

  104. And in last 18 years Pats have at least 10 win seasons in 16 of them, including at least 11 wins in 14, and at least 12 wins in 12. And 7 straight conference title game appearances, with 12 appearances overall. No losing seasons. 49ers can’t touch that.
    ======

    THe 9ers are right there with them. Don’t kid yourself.

    10 seasons 12 wins or more
    7 seasons 13 wins or more
    4 seasons 14 wins or more
    10 Championship games in 18 years

  105. Another interesting stat: Super Bowl appearances have been declining for all teams except Tom Brady’s for the last 15 years.

  106. phillycheez says:
    November 14, 2018 at 12:22 pm
    Ultimate team game. Brady does his job and he does it well but no way is he the only reason the Pats have five rings. Coaching, defense, and some serious good fortune have every bit as much to do with their success as TB does.

    ———-

    You have to win 12 games a year on average and get a playoff seed to really give yourself a shot at a record like this, so I agree on coaching and defense but take good fortune out of it for the most part. The good (and bad) breaks they have had in big games come from being there so often. It’s the same reason that golfers that hit the green more get more hole-in-ones on average. There’s an element of luck but consistency is most important.

  107. So which is it Pats fans, you say Brady can make other players so much better, well why is he missing Gronk? Why are you complaining that he has no superstars around him?
    If he can make other players so much better it shouldn’t matter who he has to throw to.

  108. Brady has been on the decline for awhile. He is not invincible, like fans think. He is a guy that relies on pure passing in the pocket. Therefore, since he cannot scramble and is non-athletic, the end of his career will come sooner rather than later. Many QB’s have to fit footballs into tight windows and have wide receivers that rarely get open. Brady has thrown to so many WIDE open receivers in his career. The dynasty is about to crash down. . .

  109. Brady has been on the decline for awhile. He is not invincible, like fans think. He is a guy that relies on pure passing in the pocket. Therefore, since he cannot scramble and is non-athletic, the end of his career will come sooner rather than later. Many QB’s have to fit footballs into tight windows and have wide receivers that rarely get open. Brady has thrown to so many WIDE open receivers in his career. The dynasty is about to crash down. . .
    ________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Imagine knowing any less about football? Decline for a while? Outside of this year, his numbers have gone up the last few seasons and he was the MVP at age 40 last year while throwing for over 500 yards in the Superbowl. Is that a decline?

    To suggest Brady hasn’t fit throws into tight windows is downright laughable.

  110. Brady has been on the decline for awhile. He is not invincible, like fans think. He is a guy that relies on pure passing in the pocket. Therefore, since he cannot scramble and is non-athletic, the end of his career will come sooner rather than later. Many QB’s have to fit footballs into tight windows and have wide receivers that rarely get open. Brady has thrown to so many WIDE open receivers in his career. The dynasty is about to crash down. . .
    ________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Riight, because the likes of undersized receivers like Welker (5′ 9″), Edeleman (5′ 10″), Troy Brown (5′ 10″)and the many RBs, all provided such huge targets while running precise timing routes in lots of traffic, were all successful with a QB who couldn’t throw in tight windows. And since when has Brady ever been known for his legs? He’s the reigning NFL MVP who hasn’t played a game this year with all of his weapons healthy, and yet still is top 5 in yards and leading the 4th highest scoring offense in the NFL.

  111. So which is it Pats fans, you say Brady can make other players so much better, well why is he missing Gronk? Why are you complaining that he has no superstars around him?
    If he can make other players so much better it shouldn’t matter who he has to throw to.
    =====

    Its probably just social media. People behaving foolishly, saying stupid things, shrouded in anonymity.

    .. but there’s an awful lot of “its my party and I’ll cry if I want to” with these guys, isn’t there??!!

  112. This is a nice timeline to have.
    ——-
    “Brady hasn’t elevated his individual performance on the field. Instead, he appears to be finally fading”
    Cian Fahey, Football Outsiders, December 2013.

    “There is little doubt at this point that we are witnessing his [Brady’s] decline”
    ESPN’s Sam Monson, 2014 preseason.

    “The uncomfortable reality that is a fading Tom Brady. Brady will never win another MVP. He’s never going to play in another Super Bowl in New England. His best days are gone.”
    WEEI’s Kurt Minihane, September 2014.

    “Pats win Super Bowl? No way, no how. Brady will never make it back to SB.”
    FS1’s Rob Parker, September 2014.

    Feb 1, 2015, Super Bowl XLIX: Brady, MVP… crickets chirp…

    “He [Brady] is going to fall off a cliff. Tom Brady is going to be a bum in short order.”
    ESPN’s Max Kellerman, 2016 preseason.

    Feb 5, 2017, Super Bowl LI: Brady, MVP… crickets chirp…

    “I tried to warn everyone this was coming. Brady MAY have thrown his last TD for Pats”
    FS1’s Rob Parker, November 11, 2018.

  113. All the haters are hilarious. Only 3 teams have more wins [than the PATS] this season. THAT’s a gobstopper for you all to draw on!!! Draw hard, as you have for 18 years!!!

  114. Poppy123 says:
    November 14, 2018 at 6:26 pm
    So which is it Pats fans, you say Brady can make other players so much better, well why is he missing Gronk? Why are you complaining that he has no superstars around him?
    If he can make other players so much better it shouldn’t matter who he has to throw to.

    ——–

    I actually don’t see any Patriots fans complaining at all. Life is good.

  115. aarons444 says:
    November 14, 2018 at 3:48 pm
    And in last 18 years Pats have at least 10 win seasons in 16 of them, including at least 11 wins in 14, and at least 12 wins in 12. And 7 straight conference title game appearances, with 12 appearances overall. No losing seasons. 49ers can’t touch that.
    ======
    THe 9ers are right there with them. Don’t kid yourself.
    10 seasons 12 wins or more
    7 seasons 13 wins or more
    4 seasons 14 wins or more
    10 Championship games in 18 years

    ———

    I don’t think it makes sense to say the 9ers weren’t great. They may have been the greatest teams of all time in some of those years in terms of talent. They had an amazing run.

    They didn’t have him the whole time, but Rice is arguably the greatest player in NFL history. I don’t think anything the Patriots have done discredits what the 9ers accomplished.

  116. Difference in Brady and Rodgers though is that Brady has possibly the best (along with the Falcons) receiving corps in the league. The line is actually decent. The run game has been inconsistent, sometimes good sometimes bad. Gronk has been out, though, so there’s that.

    Really though, it’s the blitz. Brady has been uncharacteristically bad against the blitz this year. I mean, it’s Brady, so I’d expect him to bounce back, but to this point he just hasn’t been playing to his standard.

  117. I don’t think it makes sense to say the 9ers weren’t great. They may have been the greatest teams of all time in some of those years in terms of talent. They had an amazing run.

    They didn’t have him the whole time, but Rice is arguably the greatest player in NFL history. I don’t think anything the Patriots have done discredits what the 9ers accomplished.
    ======

    I think it is more impressive that the Pats have done it under the same regime.

    Walsh got out too early. And while Sei

  118. ak185 says:

    November 15, 2018 at 2:52 pm

    Difference in Brady and Rodgers though is that Brady has possibly the best (along with the Falcons) receiving corps in the league

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    Not so sure about that. Edelman, James White, Gordon (who isn’t Gordon from a few years ago, at least not yet) and an injured Gronk are a nice group, but I’d rather have the Rams, Chiefs even the Eagles pass catchers over the current state of the Pats corps.

  119. Patriots fans be like……

    When Brady’s passing stats are down “he has bad receivers”

    When Brady’s passing stats are up “OMG HE MAKES EVERYONE AROUND HIM LOOK GOOD, GOAT!!”

  120. Deborah Nadolski says:
    November 15, 2018 at 7:43 am
    Brady has been on the decline for awhile. He is not invincible, like fans think. He is a guy that relies on pure passing in the pocket. Therefore, since he cannot scramble and is non-athletic, the end of his career will come sooner rather than later. Many QB’s have to fit footballs into tight windows and have wide receivers that rarely get open. Brady has thrown to so many WIDE open receivers in his career. The dynasty is about to crash down. . .
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    Actually it’s the “scramblers” and mobile QB’s who decline a LOT faster than the pure pocket passers. 🙂 Brady was a pure pocket passer but his footwork in recent years has improved big time so he can move around in the pocket.

    When Brady’s arm strength declines and he turns into Manning 2015 then we will know it’s the end. I’m afraid that hasn’t happened quite yet. 🙂

  121. aarons444 says:
    November 14, 2018 at 3:48 pm
    And in last 18 years Pats have at least 10 win seasons in 16 of them, including at least 11 wins in 14, and at least 12 wins in 12. And 7 straight conference title game appearances, with 12 appearances overall. No losing seasons. 49ers can’t touch that.
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    THe 9ers are right there with them. Don’t kid yourself.
    10 seasons 12 wins or more
    7 seasons 13 wins or more
    4 seasons 14 wins or more
    10 Championship games in 18 years

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    The Patriots now hold the NFL record for most consecutive winning seasons, a record formerly held by the 49ers. They need just 2 more wins to post their 18th consecutive winning season. IMO a record that will never be broken in today’s league except by themselves.

    They also have the 5th highest win percentage out of any NFL franchise all time (49ers are 10th), and trail the Cowboys by just 15 percentage points for the lead in this category. Not too shabby for a team affectionately called the Patsies not that long ago. 🙂

  122. Patsareinyourheads says:
    November 15, 2018 at 6:42 pm
    Cue Trent Dilfer.. “ Nobody is afraid of the Patriots. They’re just not good anymore”. Yeah, that was 2014. Two Lombardi’s later…
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    To his credit he apologized and he’s been a really good sport about that ever since. After the Lions loss he even offered to make another comment to help motivate the Patriots. LOL

  123. Chill_Donahue says:
    November 15, 2018 at 11:19 am
    Brady has been on the decline for awhile. He is not invincible, like fans think. He is a guy that relies on pure passing in the pocket. Therefore, since he cannot scramble and is non-athletic, the end of his career will come sooner rather than later. Many QB’s have to fit footballs into tight windows and have wide receivers that rarely get open. Brady has thrown to so many WIDE open receivers in his career. The dynasty is about to crash down. . .

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    thats bc he has the ability to scan the entire field in a second and a half and determine the open guy and get it to him. it is not bc he has been surrounded by the most amazing players ever that nobody could ever defend. the jealousy is wonderful. i guess if you predict the demise of brady every season as he gets further into his 40s it will happen by the time hes 50. at least they all hope so.

  124. You know who else’s stats Have taken a big decline? The pseudo- if taking a big decline? The pseudo”GOAT, Aaron and The brilliant Carson Wentz. That guy is already 25 years old, so you know that his window is closing. At least told Tommy has his team in position to win their division. This geriatric Wentz isn’t even at .500. At least he gets to play on a team that has fun!

  125. The Patriots now hold the NFL record for most consecutive winning seasons, a record formerly held by the 49ers. They need just 2 more wins to post their 18th consecutive winning season. IMO a record that will never be broken in today’s league except by themselves.
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    That’s fine.

    I responded to a post that said nobody can touch the Pats, which is false.

    The 9ers had a similar run, as did Landry’s Cowboys.

  126. “Not so sure about that. Edelman, James White, Gordon (who isn’t Gordon from a few years ago, at least not yet) and an injured Gronk are a nice group, but I’d rather have the Rams, Chiefs even the Eagles pass catchers over the current state of the Pats corps.”

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    To each his own, but I don’t think that Gordon, Edelman, and Hogan are anything to laugh at. Brady has had to work with some oddball groups of receivers throughout the years, but that’s a good bunch. I don’t think that Cooks, Kupp (who is out for the year as well), and Woods are better than that, but that’s my opinion. I’d put the Falcons as the clear best, with the Pats and Rams behind them and the Chiefs behind them. But that’s my feel on it.

    In any case, we can certainly say that the Pats have done a much better job this year with helping at the WR position than the Packers have. St. Brown and Marquez-Scantling (with Cobb, if he comes back) are not really comparable, at least at this point in their careers.

  127. ak185 says:
    November 17, 2018 at 12:11 am
    “Not so sure about that. Edelman, James White, Gordon (who isn’t Gordon from a few years ago, at least not yet) and an injured Gronk are a nice group, but I’d rather have the Rams, Chiefs even the Eagles pass catchers over the current state of the Pats corps.”

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    To each his own, but I don’t think that Gordon, Edelman, and Hogan are anything to laugh at. Brady has had to work with some oddball groups of receivers throughout the years, but that’s a good bunch. I don’t think that Cooks, Kupp (who is out for the year as well), and Woods are better than that, but that’s my opinion. I’d put the Falcons as the clear best, with the Pats and Rams behind them and the Chiefs behind them. But that’s my feel on it.

    In any case, we can certainly say that the Pats have done a much better job this year with helping at the WR position than the Packers have. St. Brown and Marquez-Scantling (with Cobb, if he comes back) are not really comparable, at least at this point in their careers.

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    Rams far out talent the Pats receiving weapons as you have to include Gurley. Same thing with Chiefs and Hunt and Kelce. Pats pass catchers just haven’t been healthy or productive enough to touch those units . Most productive receiver has been James White

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