Mike McCarthy’s reliance on “the numbers” underscores the extent of his blunder

AP

Packers coach Mike McCarthy has parlayed the absence of a traditional owner and the presence of a transcendent quarterback into the kind of job security that few other coaches enjoy. McCarthy’s ability to escape scrutiny may now be coming to an end, and he has only himself to blame for it.

For the third straight loss in a road game the Packers could have won, a member of the organization took the ball out of Aaron Rodgers‘ hands at a key moment. Against the Rams, Ty Montgomery defied orders to take a knee on a kickoff and fumbled away Rodgers’ chance for a game-winning drive. Against the Patriots, Aaron Jones dropped the ball on the first play of the fourth quarter, just as Rodgers was sliding into the proverbial zone. Against the Seahawks, McCarthy chose to punt on fourth and two with 4:20 to go in lieu of leaving the ball in the hands of a franchise quarterback to whom the franchise pays $33.5 million per year.

“Definitely but we had the injuries to Kenny Clark and Mike Daniels,” McCarthy said in defending his decision. “So there was definitely consideration but we had just the one timeout and the ability to stop the clock with two minutes left. We played the numbers. We did consider taking a timeout and going for it on fourth and two.”

First of all, why would a timeout have been needed before the fourth down play? The Packers had only one left. Other coaches would have been prepared for a situation like that, having a decision in mind and a play picked so that there would be no need to surrender the final chance to stop the clock in order to have more time to think about, talk about, and/or fret about the plan for fourth and two.

Second, the injuries to Kenny Clark and Mike Daniels don’t support a decision to punt and play defense; they support a decision to not surrender possession.

Third, and perhaps most importantly, what “numbers” was McCarthy playing? It’s a vague reference to analytics and statistics and it ignores the that the Green Bay offense has a guy like Number 12 and the Green Bay defense doesn’t.

Numbers be damned, the most sensible decision would have been to go for it. Failure would have put the Packers in the same spot, two first downs away from the clock being killed. And if the Packers had managed to hold the Seahawks to a field goal, the Packers would have had one more chance to finagle a touchdown (possibly by a Hail Mary) and win, 31-30.

That didn’t happen because McCarthy didn’t trust Rodgers to convert a fourth-and-two play with the game on the line. And McCarthy didn’t trust his defense to hold Seattle to three. And McCarthy didn’t trust Rodgers, if they’d gotten the ball back while down six points, to make the kind of magic we’ve seen him make in the past.

When, of course, the blunders of a coworker or a coach haven’t kept him from making that magic.

So, yes, in the zero-sum game that sees one bad team for every good team and that consists of coaches who either have been fired or will be fired, McCarthy finally lands where he should have been at least two years ago, when Rodgers openly complained about a lack of energy on the sidelines and a lack of ultimate accountability in the locker room. That accountability will now be applied to McCarthy, and nothing short of a playoff appearance and perhaps at least one playoff win will keep him from an outcome that, based on the standards to which other coaches have been held, can only be described as overdue.

113 responses to “Mike McCarthy’s reliance on “the numbers” underscores the extent of his blunder

  1. The mistake was made on third down. Should have already told Rodgers they were going for it on 4th and try and run for it and then depending on the spot, either run again, sneak or throw it. So many options if it gets to 4th and 1 or less.

  2. I’m a Bears Fan, you should always give #12 the ball for the win, never give it up. He’s too good to be on the bench. Can’t believe that call. I think McCarthy has lost the team.

  3. McCarthy is stable and predictable. Rodgers should have hit the wide open guy on third down instead of throwing the ball into the ground. It looks like Rodgers is helping McCarthy out the door this year. Either way, the Packers need to run the table and get help to make the playoffs now. Not likely to happen with as horribly conditioned the players are. Most of the team has missed time with injuries. Rodgers will be retired before that mess gets straightened out. And I am a Packers fan.

  4. McCarthy has been one of the worst coaches in the NFL for years. Why it’s taken this long for them to start thinking of finding a real coach for Rodgers, THAT is the real question

  5. I’m probably in the minority, but I thought the punt was the right move. Not much different then when Belichick went for it on 4th and 2 from his own 28 and got absolutely skewered for it.

    Seattle still needed to convert 2 first downs to end the game in a known running situation. The GB defense utterly failed.

    If we want to point to incompetence, not challenging that 34 yard pass that clearly moved around on the ground on Seattle’s final TD drive was completely unacceptable.

  6. The numbers absolutely support trying to gain 2 yards over punting and getting the ball back and scoring. The numbers overwhelmingly support that. This guy is clearly lost. Dead man walking.

  7. If he ever finally gets fired, people will look back with wonder as to how this utterly mediocre coach was able to keep his job for this long. He should have gotten fired after going into a shell in the NFC Championship game vs. Seattle. Only appearing in one Super Bowl with that kind of QB over a 10+ year run is inexcusable, especially considering that they’ve had some great players other than Rodgers on both sides of the ball. This isn’t a situation like Dan Marino where there wasn’t much else. I am not a Packers fan, but I find it a bit sad that Rodgers has had to play for this guy for this long.

  8. 4th and 2 on your own 34 with 4 minutes left and he’s getting killed for punting?

    Gimme a frickin’ break – I think every other NFL coach punts in that same situation and tries to stop the other team.

  9. If they’d gone for it an failed, this article would’ve been criticizing McCarthy for going against obvious NFL conventional wisdom at this point in the game. If you force 3 and out, you get the ball with 2 minutes and a time out. They’d forced more than a few 3 and outs that half, it was completely reasonable to game plan that way.

  10. After 3rd down Rodgers stayed on the field looking like he was waiting for a play. As soon as McCarthy called for the punt I knew it was over. The Packers just wasn’t playing well at that point.

  11. Oh good Lord, give it a rest. The Seattle defense had been stuffing the Packer offense for most of the fourth quarter, and Rodgers’ third down pass immediately prior to that punt didn’t exactly inspire a lot of confidence in going for it on fourth down.

    It was a crap shoot, and McCarthy chose to punt; it didn’t work. All coaches make these decisions and every coach has had it not work out at one point or another. If McCarthy gets canned, there may be many reasons for doing so, but that call isn’t anywhere near the top of the list. Start with the over-reliance on his QB, well-exposed last season.

  12. Yo Mike, you often justify seemingly head scratching decisions that cost coaches games by referring to analytics. Going for two because the numbers say it is statistically sound comes to mind, even when chasing points can eventually costs the team a game.

    It is clear that statistics are a good tool, but the tools fit some situations and other times they are inappropriate. Common sense, in game trend and command should be a coaches primary decision making factors before a wrist band matrix or analytic metric.

    You are killing McCarthy here for leaning on the numbers which you often refer to as the way to go yourself.

    That being said, it was a terrible decision to punt; best to take a shot with your stud QB and roll the dice. “The Numbers” were wrong this time, like they are in many other instances where statistics can’t measure intangibles.

  13. Thanks, Mike Florio for telling the truth about Mike McBlunder McCarthy. McCarthy is an over-rated head coach.
    Just look at the way Pete Carroll coaches compared to McCarthy. Pete is walking up and down the sidelines and involved in every aspect of his team. McCarthy on the other hand, stares at his play sheet and focuses only on that. And that’s been McCarthy’s way of coaching from day one, except for a brief time when he relinquished his play calling to Tom Clements. Meanwhile, we all saw his defenses under Dom Capers fail time after time in the playoffs. Capers was finally fired, but was it all his fault? I don’t think so. I think he was a scapegoat.
    Mike McCarthy needs to be fired and it’s several years too late. When has anyone ever seen Mike McCarthy stand up and say, “I did not do a good job preparing this team and adjusting during the game and it cost us a victory”. The answer is “never”.

  14. One thing that sucks about losing a Thursday night game is that the team sure gets a lot more unwanted attention. Of course if they win. . . . .

  15. Typical Packer fans, ONE bad season out of 10 or 15 and fans are calling for heads to roll.
    Parity, that is what the NFL is all about. You should be glad for the winning seasons you have had. I distinctly remember 6 or 7 years ago when the Vikings weren’t very good, all the chest thumping and negative comments you had. Well Welcome to 3rd place in the division, SKOL, and yes.. I VIKE THAT! HA HA HA…

  16. Defending his decision by stating that he had two defensive players out is one of the dumbest things anyone could say. I think its time to move and and get some fresh ideas in the building.

  17. Unreal that he mentioned his two best d-line men (might actually be best defenders) being out as reason for putting more trust in his defense than his all-time great QB. That has to be a misquote, no? Hue Jackson level stupidity right there.

  18. Yes deservedly so. When you have an Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, or Tom Brady for example in that situation you always put the ball in their hands, it’s not risky it’s the percentage thing to do Too bad for Mike McCarthy this on is going to cost him.

  19. McCarthy is a clown who is history at the end of the season. There is just no defending the decision to punt there when any idiot could see that they weren’t going to get the ball back. And it is pretty easy to see that Rodgers doesn’t want him around so goodbye Mike

  20. Don’t agree with this piece. It was 4th and 2 at their own 33 with over 4 minutes to play. Packers scored 3 points in the second half and here’s their possessions at the time of the decision to punt:

    6 plays 27 yards, punt
    3 plays -5 yards, punt
    4 plays 17 yards, punt
    7 plays 57 yards, field goal

    3 plays at 8 yards at your own 33 yards with 4:20 seconds to play. The Packers barely moved the ball, and if you don’t convert the 4th down, you give Seattle a field goal, while burning down the clock. If Seattle scores a TD, the game is over.

    Not knowing in hindsight that they’re not getting the ball back, the punt is the right thing to do in that situation.

    At this point, we’re just pinning it on McCarthy to give Rodgers an out. Rodgers numbers were good, but they were mostly done in the first half. It’s like when they played the Patriots, and said the reason they lost was because of the fumble which occurred when the score was tied and in the opposing team’s side of the field with over 14 minutes to play.
    It just sounds like, everything has to be perfect for Rodgers to win. If you spike the ball in the ground in front of the receiver on 3rd and 2, why do you think a 4th and 2 would be good?

  21. Packer fans have turned on McCarthy bu that game was lost by Green Bay’s garbage roster and Rodgers no longer being able to lift it. In fact Rodgers looks stubborn in trying to force balls that just are not there instead of taking what is there. His best game was when his knee was hurt in the 2nd half of the Bears game and he was forced to just take what was there.

    He had better come to grips with aging or this is going to get much uglier.

  22. The NFL analytics website people should have the numbers of what the Packers chance of winning was before and after the punt and whether punting or going for it was the smart move. Even without factoring in Rodgers’ greatness, punting was probably the wrong decision, by the numbers.

  23. Must be nice to be a keyboard warrior, had they went for it and not gotten it you’d be writing today how they should have punted. It must be nice to selectively take sides on articles with hindsight.

  24. Mike McCarthy is a fine fellow. But anyone with any football acumen can see he is not a good coach, despite what his Aaron Rodgers-laden W-L record states.

    Ted Thompson hired an OC from SF whom he knew would be so enamored of the HC gig, he would never pull a Holmgren and demand to be a HC and GM. So, Thompson could lord over football matters, comfortable knowing McCarthy had no desire to move upstairs.

    Rodgers appears to be at a point where he is seeking a coach to further advance his skill-set. He had that guy in Alex Van Pelt, who departed last spring for Cincinnati. Van Pelt is a former QB and you could see the bond he and Rodgers had during that run-the-table finish in 2016. Rodgers rarely speaks with McCarthy during games and that is odd.

    The Packers show no imagination under McCarthy. And his in-game management, vis-a-vis time-out usage and challenges, has always been maddening. Recall the 2011 home playoff debacle versus the Giants when McCarthy panicked early in the game and went for a fourth-and-short which blew up in his face and led to a NY TD en route to a rout.

    McCarthy has never cared for the run game. He is Jerry Glanville 2.0.

    When John Elway got older, the Broncos built a defense and a great ground game which protected Elway. Denver attracted Peyton Manning for a final Lombardi run with the same formula. Drew Brees, another aging QB, has a balanced attack and a creative coach who utilizes all his weapons.

    I just don’t believe anything will ever change in GB with McCarthy calling the shots. It’s just stale there. And there is no way they can extend McCarthy beyond 2019 without them reaching the playoffs. And how does McCarthy enter the 2019 season as a HC with an expiring contract?

  25. thisisastupidusername says:
    November 16, 2018 at 4:05 pm
    If McCarthy is let go, he will be picked up by the Browns immediately. Please don’t go to Dallas.
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    I just don’t buy into all this… McCarthy has not shown he can win without a QB named Favre or Rodgers. Browns GM John Dorsey was already in GB when McCarthy was there. That’s the only connection they have.

  26. For the record, I am a Packers fan and they are not making the playoffs this year. So, I am now hoping that the Bears win the NFC North and make some noise in the playoffs.
    So, good luck Bears fans!

  27. TheCakeIsALie says:

    I’m probably in the minority, but I thought the punt was the right move. Not much different then when Belichick went for it on 4th and 2 from his own 28 and got absolutely skewered for it.

    Exactly. If he went for it on 4th and 2 and hadn’t made it the stories would be all about why he went for it instead of punting it. The media likes to skewer everyone whenever it doesn’t work out. I think he should have gone for it but everyone here knows that had they done that and not made it the media would have been saying how that was a dumb decision and he should have punted.

  28. bhcpaul1989 says:
    November 16, 2018 at 4:07 pm
    Must be nice to be a keyboard warrior, had they went for it and not gotten it you’d be writing today how they should have punted. It must be nice to selectively take sides on articles with hindsight.

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    Says the guy on the keyboard offering his own take.

  29. “I’m a Vikings fan, and I’m loving every bit of this.” So the Vikings are making the playoffs? Come on man! Bears will win the North……

  30. That Elliot Wolfe guy really made the glue stick.
    Too bad mm was distracted with slobbering over goodell in the off-season & cut the guy.
    Oh well. Browns have a future.

  31. 1952vikefan says:
    November 16, 2018 at 4:17 pm
    I’m a Vikings fan, and I’m loving every bit of this.

    =============

    We all look forward to seeing the Vikings win …something. With a QB who has never won a playoff game.

  32. With the Aaron Rodgers of a few years ago, McCarthy goes for it on 4th down.

    But this is 2018 and McCarthy had just seen how abysmal his offense was (especially his QB), so he made the right decision to punt.

    Going for it would have had a greater chance of failure than counting on his depleted defense to get a stop.

    Going for it had a 99% chance of failure and punting was only a 96% chance.

    Tough decisions are why he makes so much…

  33. Anyone criticizing this article clearly is a Seahawks fan or an NFC North rival fan…. or doesn’t understand football. McCarthy should have without a doubt went for it and even if he didn’t get it, I doubt many would have questioned the decision compared to letting whatever the Packers call defense trying to get another stop. For years the Packers have mainly been Aaron Rodgers and not much else. A competent coach or Aaron on another team and hed be near Brady in Superbowl appearances. The Packers wasted Aaron’s best years and every fan should be thankful they got one Lombardi out of it.

  34. For those saying he should punt because the offense was playing so bad, what are you hoping for? A defensive touchdown? If they punt and stop the Seahawks, they get the ball back in about the same place with less time on the clock. At some point, your offense has to move the ball to get the win. Rodgers just doesn’t have it in him anymore to win a game like that after years of carrying the rest of the team and coaching staff.

  35. It’s not just injuries to Clark and Daniels. They lost Wilkerson earlier in the year so now it’s reserves across the D-Line. Then they were missing their starting safety and a starting CB before the game, and then lost another CB and safety during the game. The team also traded and cut 2 safeties in prior weeks, so they are completely depleted there.

    Now even if you go for it and don’t make it, you still can stop Seattle, hold them to a FG. It means you need to get a TD to win, but it’s not exactly game over if the Packers don’t make the 4th and 2.

  36. And McCarthy didn’t trust Rodgers, if they’d gotten the ball back while down six points, to make the kind of magic we’ve seen him make in the past.
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    The thing is, what magic do you speak of? Rodgers is 0-37 on fourth quarter comeback wins against teams with a winning record. Now, the Seahawks don’t actually have a winning record, but people seem to think they are a “good” team, whatever that means to you. So, I ask again, what magic is it that Rodgers pulls out of his hat in the fourth quarter? Because you know what? If he had that magic then they would have driven on that last drive and scored.

  37. I remember once when Barry Switzer was coaching the Cowboys and he had the best running back and the best offensive line in the game at the timeand opted to go for it on 4th and inches in a regular season game because he felt it gave them the best chance to win. They didn’t make it and he was roasted by all the geniuses in the press and fandom as “not ready for the NFL” and it was no different. 4:20 is a long time in an NFL game, especially with a minimum 2 clock stoppages (1 time out and 2 minute warning). I’m not saying his decision was absolutely correct but to act like it was incompetent is a bit strong if you ask me. Especially with the benefit of hindsight and the results. Imagine if instead he goes for it and Rogers gets sacked. Then it’s “What was he thinking? He had 2 linemen out, he should have punted”.

  38. qckappa says:
    November 16, 2018 at 3:42 pm
    McCarthy is a Super Bowl winning coach. I think the criticism is unfair and if AR had made a better throw on 3rd down they would have won.

    qckappa says:
    November 16, 2018 at 3:42 pm
    McCarthy is A Super Bowl winning coach. I think the criticism is unfair and if AR had made a better throw on 3rd down they would have won.

    With AR and the talent he’s had he has A SB. Give a quality coach those things and GB would have multiple rings.

  39. finsguy says:
    November 16, 2018 at 4:54 pm
    I’m not saying his decision was absolutely correct…..
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    They punted. Never got the ball back. Lost. I am saying his decision was absolutely NOT correct.

  40. Enough with these claims about Aaron Rodgers beinn some all-time great quarterback. If he was all time great, eventually he would start winning some of these games. He didn’t do anything in the second half of that football game. Seattle did everything they could to keep Green Bay in it in the first half and unloaded on them in the second half-dominating them completely. They were better, position by position in the second half of the game when it mattered. End of story.

  41. This is whay you get when you build a one mane team. Every thing is done to make Mc catthy Roger look good. How many recivers has they had. They did’t care what happen to go a Head get you self hurt . But Make Mike and Aron look good The rest of the team finaly figured it out. They both have to GO GO OUT OUT !!!!!!!!!

  42. To much reverence for Aaron Rodgers. Just not playing well. when you really need him in the red zone, on third down, at the end, Rodgers gets sacked, runs around, throws it away.

  43. This year the mistakes are far too many to list which is why we aren’t talking about another night of terrible ref calls – the Packers have lacked discipline and shows up in bad penalties and the original meltdown in Seattle a couple of years back should have prompted the team to move on – It’s no fun watching or hoping someone gets canned but he’s had a good career, made lots of money – I’m a Packers fan so I hope they find the right guy – easier said than done.

  44. Aaron Rodgers might be a great QB on field, but not in the locker room. That team is in turmoil. The locker room is in shambles, The Coach may get fired but there are about 12 teams that would be bidding for him. Be thankful for what you have and accept the fact that there are down years for every team, even the Patriots aren’t great this year.

  45. nyneal says:
    November 16, 2018 at 4:19 pm

    For the record, I am a Packers fan and they are not making the playoffs this year. So, I am now hoping that the Bears win the NFC North and make some noise in the playoffs.
    So, good luck Bears fans!

    ****************************
    No. You’re not a Packers fan. You apparently are an Anti-Vikings fan.

  46. “The mistake was made on third down. ”
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    Excellent point here. Many coaches utterly fail to even attempt to call 3rd and 4th down in conjunction with each other. That’s really stupid given that when you’re trailing in the final 5 minutes or so you really should always have going for it on 4th in the back of your mind. Instead, they call individual plays in a vacuum. So, 3rd and 5 frequently turns into 4th and 5 because both downs are treated as all-or-nothing situations instead of 3rd down being seen as an opportunity to make 4th down easier.

  47. Rob…

    “For those saying he should punt because the offense was playing so bad, what are you hoping for? A defensive touchdown?”

    That’s basically how they took a 7 to nothing lead after Seattle’s first play from scrimmage.

    It’s not McCarthy’s fault that his rookie punter kicked a 67+ yard punt that went into the endzone. Other teams can have a return man fumble (like former Packer Ty Montgomery…)….

  48. Did any of you see Rodgers skip pass the ball off the turf on 3rd down just before to a wide open player a few yards away? One thing to throw a 50 yard pass on the dime early in the game but great QBs gotta come through and make the easy ones in the clutch moments.

  49. I don’t understand why no one is criticizing the Green Bay’s inability to stop Seattle in obvious run situations. They easily killed four minutes with four running plays. That’s unacceptable from a defensive perspective.

  50. A wise GM would’ve fired McCarthy after the blown playoff game in Seattle a few years ago. If I were Rodgers, the nice guy routine would be 100% over. He has to know what a clown Mike is.

  51. It’s funny, because had he gone for it and not gotten it he would have still been second guessed.

    “He had a timeout and the 2 minute warning. What was he thinking?”

    Rogers should have hit that little dump off on 3rd and 2. He should be getting the blame.

  52. “Third, and perhaps most importantly, what “numbers” was McCarthy playing?”
    =================================

    How about Rodgers’ second half performance?

    – 6 plays, Punt
    – 3 plays, Punt
    – 4 plays, Punt
    – 7 plays, FG
    – 3 plays, Punt

    5 drives and only 3 points to show for it. But sure, let’s blame McCarthy for not going for it on fourth down…

  53. I really hope that McCarthy is held accountable for one-hopping that 3rd down pass that should have been an easy 1st down. Oh wait.

    green bay fans are the most bandwagon, fickle fans on the planet. And while the Beav is a flawed coach, he’s still a good one. Easily better than half the coaches in this league. So be very careful what you ask for if you want to see him gone.

  54. “Other coaches would have been prepared for a situation like that, having a decision in mind and a play picked so that there would be no need to surrender the final chance to stop the clock”

    The better coaches yes, but there are plenty of bad coaches in the NFL who would not have been any more prepared than McCarthy was

  55. He has no gut instinct, no killer instinct. He plays “not to lose,” and every time he does……he loses. He may be a decent coach, but sometimes a guy is just in the same place too long. Give somebody else the opportunity to waste the last few productive years of Rodgers’ career. McCarthy already proved he can do it.

  56. All you Packer fans need to come to the fact, Aaron Rodgers is not the same QB he was before the 2 broken shoulders. He is savvy. knows the game, is the BEST for getting off sides, but he does not have the arm strength he used to have. I am very sad that it may be because of Barrs Slam. New rules help that, but as a Vikings fan I am hoping he can get back to where he was. There is nothing better than a nail biting finish between our two teams.

  57. Now for a better take…It underscores just how much the game is changing. 4th and 2’s used to be very, very hard ( like 2 years ago, hell – last year!). Hence, going for it on your own 33 with over four minutes left would be considered ludicrous, unless like Peyton Manning was on other sideline ( Recall Belichek). Anything short of this – even this – and the coach would be roasted for it! Why?!! Because up until this year, you were virtually guaranteed to get the ball back… Run, run, run, punt. There may be a pass mixed in there…but the “geniuses” would get on that coach for not taking more time off clock if it didn’t work, not realizing it’s all the same when there is an elite QB on the other sideline.

    So just last year, you were almost guaranteed to get the ball back in a situation like this. This is the story. Thus, McCarthy’s biggest sin is not relying too much on the numbers, but rather, not keeping up with the times…even if his QB didn’t deserve a fourth down shot, after that third down debacle.

  58. “Against the Seahawks, McCarthy chose to punt on fourth and two (FROM THEIR OWN 33) with 4:20 to go in lieu of leaving the ball in the hands of a franchise quarterback to whom the franchise pays $33.5 million per year.”

    ..A QB who was unable to score but 3 pts in the 2nd half…
    ..A QB who had drives stall repeatedly in the 2nd half…

    Punting was the right call! Not stopping Seattle from running…when you KNEW they were going to run…was what did it…I don’t think Seattle even had a 3rd down on that last drive…

  59. Of course if they would have gone for a first down and failed and given Seattle the ball on GB’s 33, everyone would have criticized that decision. Most NFL coaches would have punted in that situation and trust your defense to make a stop, which they couldn’t do.

  60. As a die hard, I’m dying for a Packers HC that can make a call or call a game and own it if it goes off the rails. McCarthy’s not that guy. I don’t care about the optics, Management needs to meet him with an empty Bankers box at his office in the morning. He’s become an embarrassment to GB.

  61. Did you guys see that pass that Rodgers threw on 3rd and 2? What makes anyone think that going for it on 4th down would have been any better? Most likely they would have turn the ball over on downs, and everyone would be saying how that decision was terrible.

    IMO, the Packers lose no matter what call McCarthy makes, and the media was going to skewer him no matter what. If Kyle Fuller holds onto that INT in week 1, everyone would realize how badly Aaron Rodgers has been playing this season(compared to other seasons).

    Also, the Packers/Rodgers are notorious for wasting timeouts trying to get a cheap 5 yards on 4th down. They dont care about their timeouts, and that culture is on Rodgers always trying to pick up cheap 5 yards and free plays.

  62. Rodgers gets let off the hook a lot more than McCarthy. Yes he’s a good qb, but the press immediately assumes that everyone else in the organization is responsible for a loss and never Rodgers. He’s good but hasn’t been able to produce when the playoff chips are pushed in the middle of the table. They finally ran out of excuses for Manning, and went looking for another qb who they think should be great but isn’t.

  63. I wonder how bad Rogers wants McCarthy gone? We’ll see, if he throws the next game, the hand writing will be on the wall.

  64. I find it amazing that there are coaches who coach past three years who do not understand basics of game management. This coach, a decent coach, has 3-5 times each season botched up game management situations that have cost his team the chance to compete in tight games. Of course, when Rodgers has bailed him out no one has discussed the clear game management shames.

  65. I’m probably in the minority, but I thought the punt was the right move. Not much different then when Belichick went for it on 4th and 2 from his own 28 and got absolutely skewered for it.
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    What?? Belichick had a 6-point LEAD when he went for it with just over 2 minutes left. That is a very, very different situation…and a lot of analytics people said at the time and have said since then that it was the right call.

  66. conormacleod says:
    November 16, 2018 at 4:51 pm
    And McCarthy didn’t trust Rodgers, if they’d gotten the ball back while down six points, to make the kind of magic we’ve seen him make in the past.
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    The thing is, what magic do you speak of? Rodgers is 0-37 on fourth quarter comeback wins against teams with a winning record
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    Wrong again. He won when trailing in the 4th quarter on an injured leg in the playoffs against the 12-4 Cowboys a few years ago. What about the game winning drive against the 9-7 Cowboys last year? Or the 11 unanswered points against the 10-6 Seahawks after trailing in the 4Q a few years ago?

  67. Him mentioning the defensive players were out was really weird. Have to wonder if he’s having some health issues.

  68. The Packers are 0 and 5 on the road this year, and people are making a big deal out of it. But — those 5 losses on the road were at the Rams, Patriots, Redskins, Seahawks, and Lions. All of those places are tough to play, including Detroit.
    They had chances to win every one of those games, too, but shot themselves in the foot too many times and lost them all.
    The Packers are what they are, but it won’t take too much to get them back in the hunt next year. I think they finally have a GM who can do it because he isn’t afraid to do everything he can to try.

  69. Rams same players??? Last year as the year before yeh. This year not so much. But the point you are trying to make is valid.

  70. His play calling is pathetic! Plus there draft this past year once again was terrible. They need to change there ways because Rogers is going to start to show his age. Can only keep this up for so long with no supporting cast to help out!

  71. Breaking up is hard to do Packer fans. Thinking we can repair this is just prolonging the pain. Can we just end it. I’m sure he will hookup again in no time, he has so much to offer.

  72. 2ruefan says:
    November 16, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    nyneal says:
    November 16, 2018 at 4:19 pm

    For the record, I am a Packers fan and they are not making the playoffs this year. So, I am now hoping that the Bears win the NFC North and make some noise in the playoffs.
    So, good luck Bears fans!

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    No. You’re not a Packers fan. You apparently are an Anti-Vikings fan.

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    I’m a Packers’ fan as well – and I’ll be pulling for the Bears as well..and, I don’t even CARE about the Vikings. Matter of fact, I despise Bears’ fans and will be miserable that they’re happy. I highly respect the Bears’ organization. So, what does that say?

  73. Rodgers played poorly.
    McCarthy is a BELOW AVERAGE coach.

    He has had 2 long stretches with a #2 QB, and his record is atrocious.

    When McCarthy was hired in 2006, Theodore’s first choice was Sean Payton.

    That team knows how to utilize RBs out of the backfield.
    Rodgers ignores them…..right now Brees is a lot better than Rodgers is.

    That said, Fat Mike needs to be replaced ASAP.

  74. Some strange comments here today. One that says Rodgers completed 45% of his passes with 2 interceptions (what game was he watching).

    Then the one comparing a 4rth and 2 by NE to Thursdays game. NE was ahead in that game and went for it because he did not want to give the ball to Manning. He knew his defense would probably fold and was trying to run out the clock. McCarthy took the ball out of one of the top QB’s hands and turned it over to a really bad defense. That type of comparison is commonly Known as comparing apples to oranges.

    My comment on another site last year about replacing McCarthy with Vrabel doesn’t look so dumb now, does it.

  75. He has no gut instinct, no killer instinct. He plays “not to lose,” and every time he does……he loses. He may be a decent coach, but sometimes a guy is just in the same place too long. Give somebody else the opportunity to waste the last few productive years of Rodgers’ career. McCarthy already proved he can do it.
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    Stellar…for once I am in complete agreement with you…the Packers have been blessed with two generational quarterbacks in a row…of course we Vikings fans are jealous….so is every other team in the NFL, not named Patriots…but you are exactly right…he captured lightning in a bottle in 2010 but otherwise most people would say that he has underachieved, given the level of talent he had…he and Ted were a perfect storm of ineptitude…what the 1packers should have accomplished the last decade is scary to think about…bravo to you…and you never said the word “Barny” even once!

  76. kingthielanscourt says:
    November 16, 2018 at 3:55 pm
    Typical Packer fans, ONE bad season out of 10 or 15 and fans are calling for heads to roll.
    Parity, that is what the NFL is all about. You should be glad for the winning seasons you have had. I distinctly remember 6 or 7 years ago when the Vikings weren’t very good, all the chest thumping and negative comments you had. Well Welcome to 3rd place in the division, SKOL, and yes.. I VIKE THAT! HA HA HA…

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    Wrong! I have been calling for McCarthy to be fired ever since the choke job against the Seahawks in the playoffs. He would have been fired long ago if it weren’t for Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers.
    He is a mediocre head coach at best!

  77. kingthielanscourt says:
    November 16, 2018 at 3:55 pm
    Typical Packer fans, ONE bad season out of 10 or 15 and fans are calling for heads to roll.
    Parity, that is what the NFL is all about. You should be glad for the winning seasons you have had. I distinctly remember 6 or 7 years ago when the Vikings weren’t very good, all the chest thumping and negative comments you had. Well Welcome to 3rd place in the division, SKOL, and yes.. I VIKE THAT! HA HA HA…

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    And you Vikings fans always think you have the Super Bowl won in Sept, Oct, Nov, and December. Then you realize they play it in February and you won’t even be in it, much less win it!!
    Zero championships, Vikings fans!!!! I Vike that!!!!! Ha Ha Ha …
    I cannot wait til Kirk Cousins messes up in the playoffs — if you make them — as he always does. You’ll all be crying then!!!

  78. nyneal says:
    November 16, 2018 at 11:02 pm
    The Packers are 0 and 5 on the road this year, and people are making a big deal out of it. But — those 5 losses on the road were at the Rams, Patriots, Redskins, Seahawks, and Lions. All of those places are tough to play, including Detroit.
    They had chances to win every one of those games, too, but shot themselves in the foot too many times and lost them all.
    The Packers are what they are, but it won’t take too much to get them back in the hunt next year. I think they finally have a GM who can do it because he isn’t afraid to do everything he can to try.

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    And they should’ve lost to the Chicago Bears(dropped easy pick and phantom penalty) week one and probably lost to this hapless San Francisco 49ers. If you want to play the what if, could’ve, should’ve game at least bring it all to the table. They got mauled by the Redskins and had two convincing wins against the bills and dolphins. Neither of those teams are making the playoffs. They do not beat good teams on a regular basis. And it starts with the bank roll.

  79. First, numbers = time on the clock and time outs and the ability to get the ball back.

    Second, discussing the injuries to the DL was adding to the consideration to GO FOR IT, not to punt.

    From the press conference:

    Q: Mike, it obviously would have been a really bold move to go for it on 4th and 2 backed up on the 30, did you give it any consideration?

    A: Ah definitely, um, you know we had the injuries to Kenny Clark and ah and ah you know, Mike Daniels so yeah it was definitely a consideration…

    Please don’t make me defend the Packers again…as a Viking fan I have to go shower after that.

  80. Such a BS story.

    Hindsight hindsight hindsight

    Maybe you didn’t notice that the anointed one SUCKED the entire second half. Maybe if he hadn’t the decision wouldn’t have been needed.

    Second, they try and don’t get it and the story would have been ‘how can you give Hawks auto FG and possibly clinching TD with over 4 min left?’

  81. I love all the haters on here. I respond to an incorrect claim that Rodgers has never led a 4th quarter comeback against a winning team, by pointing out a statistical fact that he has, and I get 0 thumbs up and 4 thumbs down.

  82. The thing is, what magic do you speak of? Rodgers is 0-37 on fourth quarter comeback wins against teams with a winning record. Now, the Seahawks don’t actually have a winning record, but people seem to think they are a “good” team, whatever that means to you. So, I ask again, what magic is it that Rodgers pulls out of his hat in the fourth quarter? Because you know what? If he had that magic then they would have driven on that last drive and scored.
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    Rodgers 4th Q QB rating – 103.8
    Rodgers 2nd half QB rating – 103.0
    Rodgers QB rating when trailing – 99.0

    Brady 4th Q rating – 95.0
    Brady 2nd half QB rating – 95.9
    Brady QB rating when trailing – 90.7

    .. one QB you would call ‘magical’, one you SAY is not.

    Whats the difference between the 2? A coach that wins the Xs and Os almost every time, and a defense that doesn’t fold like a cheap deck chair.

    Rodgers isn’t perfect. Thursday was the example of that. More often than not, he gives the team a chance to win. We can’t say the same for McCarthy OR the Packers defense since 2011.

  83. IMO, the Packers lose no matter what call McCarthy makes, and the media was going to skewer him no matter what. If Kyle Fuller holds onto that INT in week 1, everyone would realize how badly Aaron Rodgers has been playing this season(compared to other seasons)
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    He has a 102.2 QB rating this year.. Better than 2 of his last 3 seasons… pretty much identical to his career rating (103.7.. the highest of all-time..)

    He has a 0.03 INT% this year, he and Brees are currently tied for what would be the lowest % of all-time.

    They need to get into the endzone more. They’re currently only 13th in scoring. Rodgers can shoulder some blame for that, but so can McCarthy, with an offense teams figured out 4 years ago, and a talent level that has been waning since then as well.

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