Not everyone is thankful for higher scoring games

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Tuesday’s PFT Live simulcast began with Peter King providing his big takeaway from Monday night’s epic game between the Chiefs and Rams: “Football has changed.”

Indeed it has. Fueled by fairly recent rules that promote safety by protecting quarterbacks and defenseless receivers and decades of efforts to pump up the offense, points are being scored like never before. So the question becomes whether there’s too much scoring.

There isn’t. And there won’t be unless and until the NFL becomes like the NBA or the Arena Football League, with a presumption that each drive will end in points.

Even during last night’s dizzying array of 14 touchdowns, it never felt like either team was presumed to score, with a defensive stop becoming something that was unlikely and unexpected. Indeed, three of the touchdowns came via plays that resulted in six points for the defense.

While Peter seemed to be on the fence regarding whether changes are needed, he suggested that the Competition Committee should take up the question of whether something needs to be done to restore a better balance between offense and defense. He mentioned that Hall of Fame quarterback Dan Fouts, one of the first men to benefit from the initial wave of pro-offense rules in the ’70s, recently suggested that perhaps the defense should be given a 12th man.

That’s unlikely, for a variety of reasons. Most importantly, the owners — not the Competition Committee — ultimately determine the rules. And the owners see a bright-line connection from more points and higher ratings and more money.

Higher-scoring games not only attract more viewers but also hold more viewers, with folks less likely to stray to the hundreds of other things that can occupy our time at any given moment. Exciting games between teams with great offenses likewise make fans want the experience to last as long as possible, sparking few complaints when the total time of the game strays beyond three hours and 40 minutes.

Fans want games like that to last even longer. And while some may huff and puff about go-go games with pinball numbers, no one will blow the NFL’s house down over what was witnessed on Monday night. The more games like that, especially in prime time, the better off the NFL will be.

144 responses to “Not everyone is thankful for higher scoring games

  1. I have always been a fan of defense. I was born in 85, my childhood faves were PRIMETIME and Charles Woodson.
    But watching last night’s game was some of the most fun I’ve had watching an NFL game in a long time.
    That being said, I don’t think 32 teams are capable of doing that 16 times a season now, or anytime in the near future.
    Those are elite play callers with incredibly managed rosters. We might not see another game like that for years.

  2. I thought the game was fun to watch. But it was a one dimensional game that if it were that way week in/week out, it’d get boring. It is fun to see a defense just stomp a team.

  3. Last night was more about two coaching staffs that were willing to stay aggressive for 60 minutes on offense, plus two secondaries that don’t cover on the corners than it was about the rules. One of the big differences is that there aren’t many proud defenders anymore. Great corners jump routes in the short passing game and/or middle of the field passing that is so popular

  4. It’s too much. It was like watching a Madden game. The defensive players won’t be too happy either because it means they would get paid less than their offensive counterparts.

  5. I enjoyed the game but need to let the players play and not call the ticky tacky stuff like on that first Rams drive. The great ratings had more to do with two 9-1 teams playing. Same score between the Cardinals and Bills and you don’t see such a big ratings spike.

  6. Really got annoyed by the hit on a defenseless receiver call early in the game against KC, although I’m a fan of neither team. I guess the safety was supposed to just pull up and let him catch it, because it was a clean hit zero helmet contact, lead with his shoulder. How do you coach that? What do you tell the safety to do? Honestly, that play call set the tone for the way the secondaries played the rest of the game. The “defenseless receiver” penalties are kind of a joke. I remember when QBs wouldn’t throw that ball because they didn’t want to get their receiver killed—-and guess what? They didn’t throw that ball. Now they throw it all the time with a safety coming downhill, because it’s either a catch or a 15 yard penalty. Ok rant over. But the rules have changed the game and as a long time fan it’s hard to watch. What do offensive records mean anymore?

  7. Both the Rams and Chiefs are on pace to finish as top 5 scoring teams of all time. Historically great even in an historically great offensive season. Most teams don’t have QBs like Goff or Mahomes and aren’t capable of putting up pyrotechnics like that. There were seven other games this week where neither team scored 25 points.

  8. The game wasn’t as exciting as some make it out. I didn’t even watch the whole game. Coming back to watch for the the 4th quarter. It reminds me of when McGwire and Sosa were chasing baseball’s home run record. Or a basketball game where you can tune in in the last 5 minutes of the game to get the outcome. It’s not real football anymore. The physicality has been taken out of the game. Might as well put the quarterbacks in dresses…

  9. MIxed. I like scoring but maybe not that much but that may never happen again in my lifetime?
    I too feel the league has hand cuffed the defense. This bs where if you put your pinkie on the receiver who has his hands all over you, you get called for interference.
    I know the league believes that scoring keeps the fans in the stands and gets the fans to watch the tv. the low scoring games are seen as boring by the NFL.

  10. Its fun to see a game like this once.
    Thats it.
    I prefer the traditional scoring games like 20-13.
    Its almost as if the game doesn’t matter and its purely to generate stats for Fantasy Football and the Red Zone.
    I’ve cut back my watching a lot over the last couple of years.
    This just doesn’t appeal to me.

  11. Part of NASCAR’s downfall was they constantly changed their product in an attempt to appeal to everyone. In doing that they completely lost their base of fans for a short term spike.

    Add pure greed to that and sooner or later the NFL is going to change the game enough that the fans of football played the “old” way are going to give up. Then they’ll also lose the new fans because they’re just looking for the next hot thing. It’s starting. The stadiums are empty just like NASCAR races.

  12. Fueled by fairly recent rules that promote safety by protecting quarterbacks and defenseless receivers
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    Let’s be honest. These rules have nothing to do with player safety. It’s strictly about scoring. It was about player safety they would start protecting the lineman better on both sides of the ball. Especially from collision each other with their helmets.

  13. The problem with the scoring is it takes away the advantage of the truly great QBs that can move the ball lm great defenses like Peyton and Brady. Now they will just be lumped in with all the other jokers that can complete passes to open guys under no pressure.

  14. It seemed more like a flag football game, not much running, just passing at will. It was ridiculous…100 points? No D

  15. You know what. I tuned out at halftime and I like both teams. I just wasn’t interested in watching a game of flag football. The game has changed indeed. I’m sure some really like it but I do not and watching two teams go up and down the field with guys being escorted out of bounds instead of tackled… 5’5 receivers running across the middle of the field without a care in the world. QB’s gestering for flags because they were tackled. Running backs and receivers sliding to avoid contact. This is why stats really aren’t comparible over generations… 400 yards is the old 300 yards. Passing for 300 yards used to be pretty rare now it is pretty common and expected for the top tier guys.

  16. Yeah as really love a competitive game. And that defense does win you the game. Need to work on that. For both teams. Offense for both teams carried the way for them.

  17. I tend to take more of an old-school mindset with a love of great defensive play and the power running game….but I must admit I rather enjoy seeing teams implementing numerous concepts and elements from the wide-open college offenses.

    For the past 20+ years, the NFL groupthink staunchly refused to even consider the idea, insisting that the spread offenses and option-oriented plays were fine for college but couldn’t possibly work against NFL-caliber defenses.

    Turns out those plays work just fine….more than fine, actually. But by the time the old guard was forced to finally acknowledge this, it was already too late…the game had passed them by and left them behind.

  18. Eliminate the pick play ( offensive pass interference) and allow QBs to be tackled like any other NFL player and your offensive/defensive balance will magically be restored

  19. Chiefs-Rams was a wild, epic game because of all the scoring, yes, but also because great players were scoring those points. On offense and defense.

    That said, the game must remain balanced. There’s a unique magic to a slugfest game between two great defenses and overmatched offenses, ending 3-10 in the mud. The NFL has to let that kind of football breathe, too.

    Pro football can be both things!

  20. Found myself losing interest after both teams went over 40 points each. It was like watching an NBA game where both teams score over 130 points and scoring was so easy it lost meaning. Would hockey fans enjoy the games if they were like 11-10? I doubt it.

    Found myself wishing this game would go to OT so that one team could score 60 points and make a mockery of the new and “improved” NFL.

  21. I’m more interested in seeing video games become more realistic than real life games becoming like video games. Let’s ease up the rules against the defenders so they can actually do their job and keep the Madden numbers in Madden shall we?

  22. I don’t mind high scoring games, but something needs to be done to make defense mean something again.

    Anymore when it’s saying 3rd and 30. That use to be a gaurantee to get off the field. Now after the pass is thrown you hold your breath and hope that there isn’t a flag for PI, Def Holding or a stupid Roughing call.

    Let them play more. Fans shouldn’t be holding their breaths assuming there will be a flag thrown. I almost feel like you could run an offense that just throws it deep every time and you would probably be able to sustain a few drives just off cheap penalties. If you want to keep how quick the flag is thrown that’s fine, but Def. Holding shouldn’t be an automatic first down.

    Maybe it should be something like a spot foul. Where if the spot is past the first down then it is, but on like a drag route at 5 yards then it’s 5 yards from that spt and if it was say 2nd and 15 now it would be 2and and 5 or something.

  23. And yet most teams can’t put up points. Hard to believe that there are so many weak offensive coaches and most teams overcoach significantly and won’t let their qb control the game. Why is it that some teams show up at the line of scrimmage with 20 seconds to go and other teams don’t even allow their 10 year vet qbs call audibles??

    Reality is that what many really want are rules that provide lunkhead coaches with the ability to win just as many games as the creative offensive minds that ‘get it’.

  24. There’s three phases to the game of football and Roger and his cronies are doing everything in their power to eliminate two of them. It’s ceretainly not the NFL I grew up with.

  25. Reality is that there are simply too many bad coordinators in the nfl. The bad offensive coordinators seem to be overlooked, but the weak defensive coordinators stick out like sore thumbs. There is also an incredible difference between the qbs that are allowed to manage games–ie, Ben, Brady–and those that just execute the plays that are forced on them–ie, the guys in Atlanta and Dallas. So now the NFL is not so overcoached on game day, I appreciate that greatly.

  26. “Not everyone is thankful for higher scoring games”

    Obviously a good chunk of NFL fans aren’t thankful for it. Having games where one or both teams regularly score at or above 40 points is cheap garbage. It’s great if you’re in a fantasy league or have no attention span, but for people who watch football for football or who like seeing defense, it’s completely undermined the product. I don’t really think that matters, because the league will continue to make money hand over fist and in our economy, that’s what’ll dictate the product.

  27. The thing is too much of anything is bad.
    It’s fun every now and then to see a defensive battle, but if every game was 10-6, 7-3, 13-10, etc. it would be awful.
    It’s fun to see offensive shootouts, but if every game was 56-55, 49-45, etc. it would quickly lose its novelty.

    That how you got last night and today sports media folks that hate Pac12 and Big12 football giddy and going crazy over Chiefs Rams. If that game happened a few times every week like college games it wouldn’t mean anything.

  28. What if they timed games based on scoring? If teams kept scoring time “slowed down” and if there were longer periods of no scoring, “time sped up?” This would make higher scoring games last longer until the scoring stopped, and bad games with low scoring would speed up and be over sooner due to lack of activity.

    Boring games over fast(a defense win), high scoring, exciting games last longer.(offensive win)

    Average games probably not affected. The time difference would have to set up, but it could totally work and benefit everyone.

  29. The paid for NFL media shills can keep trying to spin the defensive scoring highlights as a reason for such a high total score. Yet they over look the fact that over 1,000 yards were totaled. Both teams defenses bend alright.

  30. Rules are too slanted against the defense. Players can’t go high so they jump over the tackler now for a loophole in the rules. Rugby scrums where slow moving piles of offensive linemen with a 5-10 yard run push RB’s for first downs & touch downs. It resembles rugby not football. You have WR blocking down field on pass plays but they say they aren’t “it’s a rub” or pick. No actually you are blocking or running into the DB’s to get your teammate open. all of which isn’t enjoyable. It is like when MLB turned a blind eye to steroids so there would be more HR’s. so non fans would like baseball more.

  31. I didn’t uncover this but apparently …

    14 TD’s scored in Monday Night game.

    13 TD’s scored by the Buffalo Bills this entire season.

  32. Um, the defenses of both teams were responsible for a few great turnovers/scores. I understand that there are going to be people who will have hot takes about the “grittiness of defense” or whatever, but I thought both defenses were incremental to the game being so high scoring.

  33. Problem is there are more blowouts than scoring frenzies like the one on Monday night. Nobody wants to watch a blowout. The league has a dilemma on their hands. This season has been one of the worse for me to watch.

  34. I always enjoyed the gladiator mentality the nfl had. That gone with all the new rules keeping everyone safe, this if what the game has become. Call me crazy, but I already miss the big smashing hits the game was once known for, when a man’s man played…

  35. I turned it off. Seeing each team go down and score each time got really boring and I just wasn’t interested anymore. If this is the future of the NFL, there’s a good chance I stop watching permanently. I too, like that they are prioritizing player safety but not to the extent to taking defense out of the game.

  36. I remember a time when a turnover was the death knell of a team. Now, you can flip it 4 times and nobody blinks because the offense will compensate.

  37. That game was a thriller but there was also more flags thrown than I ever watch to start any game especially shaking KC. It started going both ways. The offenses were on fire but those referees made defense impossible.

    NFL wants to be arena football.

  38. 28-31 is more of my speed. Once football becomes like basketball then I no longer interested in it. There’s beauty in low scoring game like baseball for a reason.

  39. Since the start of the NFL 3 teams have ever averaged 35 pts per game, this year there are 3. They all may not end up above 35 but it paints a picture regarding the advantage O’s now have. Should be interesting to see how teams adjust:
    -invest in man corners and pass rushers more than ever
    -allocate more money to offensive playmakers
    -go the oppposite direction on O and play ball control old school football and limit the other team’s possessions.

    The NFL could help re-balance the power a bit by allowing DB’s to jam the first 10 yds instead of 5.

  40. Interesting theory, but flawed. People do enjoy shoot-out games once in awhile but not always. Look at the college ranks – lots of high flying teams but no real rankings if you have no defense. Rarely, if ever, does one of those teams get the ultimate prize. So, fun to watch from time to time but not a sustaining model. Sorry, Mike.

  41. If it becomes too easy to score then it devalues the scoring. Becomes predictable and one sided. I thought that was a good game last night though. It had some defensive plays in there. Maybe not quite enough for me, but it at least had a few. I think people forget what fun it can be watching a really good defense play ball though. Especially when it’s your team. I know I also hate it when the defense can’t get a stop. I’m a Pats fan and this years been especially painful that way. I miss the 2004-5 days. I’m sure Steelers fans miss the Steel Curtain Days. Likewise the Legion of Boom etc etc. The way this league is headed we’ll never see those types of teams again. I hope I am wrong. I don’t mind scoring but a little balance isn’t bad either. Too much of a good thing is usually a bad thing.

  42. If the league keeps this up it’ll get to where teams won’t draft defensive players in the first couple rounds. What would be the point? Can’t play defense, anyway, so why waste the resources? Just draft offense until about the third round or so. That way maybe your team can score sixty+points a game and maybe have a chance to win.

  43. I agree with Peter King and have a solution. With all of the “safety” rules put in over the last few years, the pendulum has swung too far to the offense. It’s time to throw a few crumbs to the defense to get the game more in sync.
    Simple solution. Roll back the penalty for illegal contact on receivers so that the defenders can make contact the first 10 Yds instead of the current 5 yards (as long as it’s not Pass interference).

  44. Ask Lambert, Manley and a few others from the 70s and 80s what they think.
    I think we know what those guys, Deacon Jones and a few others would say.

  45. Or the game is following a long-term trend of scoring more points.

    Defenses haven’t changed all that much. Most of the advances in technology, analytics, new systems and philosophies, etc have impacted the offensive side. It’s no surprise that teams are scoring more points.

    I know we are still stuck on this idea that the offseason’s rule changes are causing so many penalties, but they aren’t. The impact on the scoreboard is minimal at best.

  46. Hopefully a team like the ‘90 NYG steps up and shows again how to neuter a high flying offense. Like they did to the Bills in the SB that season. It’s tough to score 50 while the other team controls the clock for 40 min.

  47. Hmm, the point Mike Florio makes about the TV ratings dropping? Didn’t they drop because of the kneeling issue, rather than the lack of offense and points? And haven’t they gone up again not just because of the increase in offense and points, but because the kneeling issue has become old news now? That was a very exciting game, but about the most ridiculous game I have seen in 32 years of watching (I am old enough to remember the 51-45 NY Jets vs Miami game at the Meadowlands in the ’80s, in the days of defense having far less restrictions than they have now). Teams rolling up and down the field unstopped will quickly get boring. And the fans will change channels again. You have to have balance. And no I don’t have a answer to it.

  48. can we please stop with the greatest non PO game ever. it was 1 of 16 like the coaches say . I have seen better games . watching the ESPN Crew call the game also might have something to do with it. its hard to keep watching those guys .

  49. “Even during last night’s dizzying array of 14 touchdowns, it never felt like either team was presumed to score.”

    I don’t know how you could say this with a straight face.

  50. I few games like this every year – great. I loved it. When it becomes the norm – boring. I’m sure I’m in the minority here, but I love defense, field position football, strategy; a chess match, so to speak. This game was not that. Again, it was riveting and enjoyable. But on a weekly basis, no thank you. BTW, by far the most popular sport in the world typically has scores of 2-1, 1-0, etc. It doesn’t always have to be about scoring.

  51. I’m not trying to sound like Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino, but watching the Monday Night game left me feeling a bit bored. Not because I didn’t appreciate the great football, but because I could pretty quickly tell that nothing that was happening would really matter until the last couple minutes. It did feel a bit like an NBA game in that I could just put around with the game in the background until about halfway through the fourth quarter. A lower scoring game possesses a much greater feeling of tension, as going down multiple scores early can be a death knell for many teams. I don’t think anyone ever believed that the 17 or 10 point deficits faced by the Chiefs were anything more than small bumps in the road.

    I don’t actually believe, however, that this game was representative of the new NFL. The score was beyond double what most teams score every week. I think KC and LA simply possess phenomenal offenses, and not a ton of defense, so we got us an old fashioned barn burner. When teams like the Cardinals and Bills start dropping 30+ on the regular and still losing, then we can begin to have a conversation.

  52. My brother is not the biggest football fan, watching the home team and maybe a Raider game if it’s on, but he said he watched the Ram-Chief game and was like, wow, what a game.

    Me, I’m a huge football fan but I hardly watch anything but my home team because of other things like Kaepernick and the yellow–I’m sorry–gold flags that come out after every other play but NFL is rightly thinking more scoring brings in casual fans.

  53. I already cancelled my NFL Game Pass subscription. The sport is becoming unwatchable. Each time a commentator flashes a passing record and the likes, I cringe. Those records were earned not handed to them by the lack of defensive play purposely constrained by rules that can’t seem to be interpreted evenly. The Refs now have complete control over the game; way too much involvement. I guess those of us who have been fans since the 60s are witnessing the end of an era.

  54. They don’t need rules changes. But they can start with the refs not throwing flags every time someone tries to play a little defense.

  55. The changes in the rules towards the offense seems to be geared at fantasy football junkies.

    I don’t see the need to cater to the lowest common denominator – the person that only cares how many points his/her fantasy “roster” scores.

    I’d liked the game better when the emphasis was on an actual team winning a game vs some individuals having a great game in a loss.

  56. I saw a game sealing INT taken away in Jacksonville because Calais Campbell fell too hard on Big Ben Sunday and then Grassketball on Monday night – what has happened to this game.

  57. High Scoring games are they reason I don’t watch college football. Looks like NFL may follow shortly as for the first time since I can remember I could care less about my team or any game on for that matter.

  58. Yesterday the NY Times ran an in depth article about how the future of football is flag football. Even factoring in their biased hatred of all things that Americans traditionally enjoy, and of any sort of non-ironic physical competition, they made some good points. The NFL is on a steep downward trajectory, and it is on purpose.

  59. first, the argument about defenses scoring 3 times is flawed, because the amount of times a team passes creates those possibilities.
    next, the penalty for hitting a defensless receiver is the most bogus penalty in all of sports. he has equipment on and is on a football field. what’s defenseless about that?
    Finally, more games will end up in a blowuot because of all the teams that cannot get that level of offensive output from their roster. so yes there’ll be the teams that are capable of putting up 40-50 each week, but too many teams are only capable of putting up 10-20 max.

  60. “Are you not entertained???”

    So, it appears the NFL’s growth strategy is to cater to the fantasy football crowd and those whose attention spans are non-existent? Cool story bro. I played fantasy for years, so I can understand to an extent, but I was always a football fan first and fantasy fan second. The defense optional, Big 12 style of play is not enjoyable to me over the long term. I know even down to the high school levels that the better athletes gravitate to offense and it’s clearly filtering upwards. Those defense optional games’ stats sound great, but they’re really devalued. How good truly are the offenses when the rules are so slanted towards them? It’s a great debate. I never thought I would opine for “Defense wins championships”, but with current offense being “too much of a good thing”, I really do.

  61. The high scoring games are fun to watch….once in a while. If they become the norm then people will just tune in for the last 2 minutes like NBA fans used to, or never which is my current NBA watching plan.

  62. People just love to complain.

    They complain about the rules protecting QBs, but they also complain when QBs get hurt, and that ruins the season.

    They complain about low scoring defensive games, but they also complain about the lack of defense in high scoring games.

  63. Which college football conference draws more viewers? If this was the style of football that fans crave, you would think that the Big 12 would be more popular than the SEC. Fans want balance. As much as fans enjoy seeing their team score, it becomes frustrating and discouraging to see your team constantly scored on.

  64. The Rule changes have changed the role of the RB and the running game. Anything, including these Rules that would have deprived the game and most of all, the fans of the thrill of seeing Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, John Riggins, Earl Campbell, Tony Dorsett,Walter Payton, Billy Sims,Barry Sanders et al is not, cannot and will not be a good thing. These Rule changes and the current game would have turned these greats into interchangeable warm bodies. While some teams take more advantage than others, todays backs are a product of the system/scheme,not their talents. The backs listed above were great,regardless of their teams success, scheme/philosophy.The game is not as good. Period. The game has suffered as a game, and no amount of money, ratings, or anything else can change that fact.

  65. nflfollower says:
    November 20, 2018 at 11:08 pm
    Really got annoyed by the hit on a defenseless receiver call early in the game against KC, although I’m a fan of neither team. I guess the safety was supposed to just pull up and let him catch it, because it was a clean hit zero helmet contact, lead with his shoulder. How do you coach that? What do you tell the safety to do? Honestly, that play call set the tone for the way the secondaries played the rest of the game. The “defenseless receiver” penalties are kind of a joke. I remember when QBs wouldn’t throw that ball because they didn’t want to get their receiver killed—-and guess what? They didn’t throw that ball. Now they throw it all the time with a safety coming downhill, because it’s either a catch or a 15 yard penalty. Ok rant over. But the rules have changed the game and as a long time fan it’s hard to watch. What do offensive records mean anymore?
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  66. I disagree Florio. I don’t like it nad I won’t be spending my money with the NFL anymore if it continues. Season ticket holder since the 80’s, 10 year club seat owner, multiple superbowls etc. They are ruining the game.

  67. A game like that is fine every now and then. If it becomes the norm, that’s the problem. I find AFC North 12-9 scores boring as hell, too.

  68. ncfloyd says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:19 am
    The high scoring games are fun to watch….once in a while. If they become the norm then people will just tune in for the last 2 minutes like NBA fans used to, or never which is my current NBA watching plan.

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    I guess those are pretty much my exact sentiments, especially the NBA comparison. At the half I think it was 23-23, and I’m like “ok, good game so far, these guys will adjust at halftime and figure each other out in the second half, probably ends up like 37-30, a little high, but we should expect a shootout between these two.” NOPE. Scored even more the second half.

    Look, I know the game is going to evolve to some degree, particularly in the area of safety. I’m a Pats fan, and when I’m gloating with my buddies about this incredible run we’ve been on, I’ve always said the best part is they’ll have been the last dynasty in the REAL football era. And honestly, I’ve already waffled on if that counts all five championships, or just the first three that came before the post-“Jacked Up!” era. Never been more sure about it than after Monday’s game.

  69. It is unreal how many penalties have to be called per game. 20-25 penalties a game, are you kidding me. The officials think they are the game. I despise the fact that officiaks can determine the outcome of games.

  70. They should get rid of the 5 yard rule for illegal contact, only keep defensive PI when the receiver is interfered with while the ball is in the air. Make the receivers work for separation. It would have no impact on player safety and level the playing field a bit.

  71. Having started watching the NFL in 1960, this is Arena League football they’re playing now and I don’t like it. I don’t mind scores in the 30’s, but 54 to 51???? It’s a joke and all it does is skew the offensive numbers these guys today put up and further hurts the players who played years ago.
    It’s so ridiculous now that guys like Mark Sanchez will have better numbers than Hall Of Fame QB’s from decades ago when he finally hangs up his butt-fumble cleats.

  72. One more thing — the ONLY reason these guys put up these ridiculous numbers on offense is because of the rule changes. And that’s what really annoys me. Everyone is raving about Patrick Holmes, and give the kid credit. But I have news for everyone — if he was a rookie back in the 60’s, 70’s, or 80’s there’s no way he’d be putting up the numbers he’s putting up today. The first time he tried an RPO and kept the ball, some linebacker would have taken his head off and that would have been it.

  73. Its true that over football history the teams that popped up with exceptional offenses had higher ratings. This feels like someone looked at those numbers and said “I know! What if every team had a high power offense?!”. But what happens is that it becomes no longer exceptional. As high power offenses become the norm it will start to blur for viewers. This game was exciting because we (most of us) had never seen anything like it. But really as far as the outcome it was never about which team was finally going to rise above the other, it was simply a question of who happened to be ahead when the clock ran down. It did have one type of drama in droves, but only that one type. And viewers tire if they just get the same thing over and over again. Games like that will stop being exciting, viewer attention will start waning and they will do other stuff and just find out later who happened to be ahead.

    But a more balanced battle of both offense and defense has a lot of constantly shifting dramas going on. Each game has a different look to it as a variety of strengths and weaknesses vie with each other. And coaching is more if a chess game. Over the long haul thats more sustainable as an entertainment medium. Im not saying the occasional shootout isnt exciting, but not if every game is that.

  74. scott64836 says: “It is unreal how many penalties have to be called per game. 20-25 penalties a game, are you kidding me. The officials think they are the game. I despise the fact that officiaks can determine the outcome of games.”
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    I would think Mahomes’ 5 turnovers would determine the outcome of games a lot more than just a few penalty calls…

    And “officials think they are the game” is just dumb and lazy thinking. The only one people see is referee Blakeman, yet he only threw 2 flags himself all night. The other six officials called the remaining penalties, yet you can’t even name them.

  75. I do wonder if after that Monday night game, and as the season progresses toward the playoffs the refs start to let a little more go. I think the NFL wanted that on Monday, but they don’t want that for the playoffs.

  76. janvanflac says:
    November 21, 2018 at 9:13 am
    They should get rid of the 5 yard rule for illegal contact, only keep defensive PI when the receiver is interfered with while the ball is in the air. Make the receivers work for separation. It would have no impact on player safety and level the playing field a bit.

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    I agree. That goes back to Indy complaining in 2004. That’s exactly how we ended up here. They should have never started emphasizing illegal contact.

  77. lukedunphysscienceproject says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:50 am
    The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
    The average winning score in the NFL last Sunday was 25.6 points.
    8 games were decided by 3 points or less.
    You’re right. It’s a disaster.
    LOL

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    It’s not about the average. It’s about the top teams. There has to be a way for great defenses to slow down prolific offenses or the game becomes stupid. I think like in many past years the refs will let more go late in the season and in the playoffs so that there is a way to slow these teams down.

  78. Andrew Clayton says:
    November 20, 2018 at 11:08 pm
    I enjoyed the game but need to let the players play and not call the ticky tacky stuff like on that first Rams drive. The great ratings had more to do with two 9-1 teams playing. Same score between the Cardinals and Bills and you don’t see such a big ratings spike.
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    The NFL brass and the media lack the critical thinking skills to make that connection. They see ratings and think it must be because of the final score. Those ratings were because people tuned in to see two of the top teams. There was little, if any, buzz causing people to drop what they were doing to tune in. Likewise, if that score was done by those teams we would not be reading how great the game was because of prolific offense. We would instead be reading that the game was entertaining because the ineptitude on defense led to such a high score.

  79. 2ruefan says:
    November 21, 2018 at 6:25 am
    There are still some teams with decent defenses out there. Nobody is dropping 54 points on those teams.

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    Maybe nobody will drop 54 points on the best defenses in the NFL, but either of these offenses could drop 35 on them, easily. And if those teams with good defenses don’t have the offenses to keep up (which they don’t), well then….what are we talkin’ about here? It’s a basketball-in-helmets-and-cleats game now.

  80. Monday night would have been more watchable if not for Testetore and his over-the-top announcer voice coupled with an inept, stumbling Witten.
    It’s tough to stay “excited” for three hours straight. Need a little down time in between especially on the East coast for a Monday nighter.

  81. These games might be thrillers when opposing teams are evenly matched, but when they’re not, it’s going to result in game-over, first quarter blowouts every time. No one will waste three hours of their day watching a game that’s already been decided with 7 minutes left in the first quarter.

  82. scott64836 says:
    November 21, 2018 at 9:11 am
    It is unreal how many penalties have to be called per game. 20-25 penalties a game, are you kidding me. The officials think they are the game. I despise the fact that officiaks can determine the outcome of games.
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    You blast the officials if they call something that did not happen or miss something that did. If there are a ton of legitimate penalties then blame the idiots responsible for that–the players trying to gain advantage hoping the officials let them get away with it and the coaches that are training them to do it (and then saying “we have to clean this up” when the officials do their job and toss the hanky).

  83. What we’re watching is Arena football played on a 100 yard field. That’s fine if that’s what you like. Just don’t count me as one of them. I grew up watching 1970’s football. What we have now bears no semblance to that.

  84. One more thing: the idea that scoring equates to excitement is ridiculous. I think one of the most suspenseful games I ever watched, one that hinged on every play, was the Eagles / Oilers “house of pain” game in 1991. Both teams swapped field goals, but the difference was Jeff Kemp narrowly eluding a sack and managing to chuck a wobbly duck pass to Keith Jackson for 6. It was a herculean effort. No track meet / basketball in cleats football that night. All eyes were glued to the TV for the whole game.

    Afterwards Jerome Brown said: they brought the house, we brought the pain.

    It’s the stuff of legend.

    And that kinda stuff will disappear with the new NFL.

  85. Too many comments to read so I apologize if this has been said- try watching the crap that the Jaguars are putting on the field for offense. A lousy QB, an oft-injured RB and a 2nd-3rd string OL.

    It’s an unwatchable slog.

  86. Very entertaining game. Was is a good game? No. Teams with defenses that porous should not win the Super Bowl. I think a very large unintended consequence is going to arise from this tectonic shift the league is experiencing with the record scoring this season. The league wants track meet style games like Monday night, if defense starts to become even less significant over the next few years, the money on that side of the field will dry up. Finding players that are willing to go out and watch receivers run past them without being able to do anything about it will get more difficult. The league is losing it’s balance between offense and defense. And if this persists, the game we know and love will be a memory.

  87. qckappa says:
    November 20, 2018 at 10:53 pm
    Too much scoring me. I appreciate the new safety rules but it’s too much.
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    Then go watch soccer .. i hear they don’t like to score

  88. I was born a Baltimore Colts fan and now Ravens, DEFENSE!!! I do not like it, at all, but the NFL does not really care about fans. I did not watch the game but understand there was some defense and that is what finally won game, but I still feel whomever has the ball last will win. Does not interest me.

  89. I have no idea how a long-time football fan truly enjoyed the MNF game. I mean sure, it was entertaining, but it seriously felt like I was watching Madden on demo mode with the sliders through the roof. Just seemed like a bit much…

  90. As long as games like the Monday Night game is a novelty and not the norm, I am fine with it. If I wanted to watch Big 12 football, I’d watch Big 12 football.

  91. New age NFL might attract millenials but may detract us old football farts. All about the $$. Too much officiating, rules, ticky-tacky stuff, he said she said, and so-on.
    Run-Block-Tackle-Throw-Hit-Catch the ball. Take the showtime refs off of the screen.

  92. The records just don’t mean anything anymore. When you have a first year starting quarterback throwing 37 touchdown passes in 11 games, one of the highest final scores in NFL history: 54-51, and terrible teams like the Colts scoring 38 points, the Raiders scoring 45 points, the Ravens scoring 42, the Broncos scoring 45, and the Jets scoring 42 to 48 points, the passing records are no longer impressive. That’s where the saying comes in “Records can be broken but championships last forever.” Even then, the NFL is so soft nowadays.

  93. Here’s what I think (and it’s just my opinion, so relax). Young people today are growing up in a much faster paced world than people my age (mid-60’s) grew up in. Everything for them needs to be instantaneous. So naturally, for them to watch a defensive struggle NFL game is tedious for them. For me, it’s more exciting than what we saw on Monday night for the simple reason that every play means something in a defensive battle, because one mistake or big play can win the game. In that game Monday night, it was just a case of whoever had the ball last would probably win.
    I would bet a lot of money that if a poll were taken using die-hard NFL fans and they were grouped by age, the overwhelming majority of fans under the age of say, 30, would love this kind of NFL while those of us who grew up watching it in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, and even 90’s would find it far less interesting.
    I know this much — I’d much prefer a 24 to 23 game than a 54 to 51 game any day. I mean, all these rules changes have made it unwatchable, for me. It’s beyond ridiculous. If it keeps on going this way, it will be like many NBA games — I often don’t bother tuning in until the 4th quarter because there’s no point watching it before then.

  94. Time for defenses to roll out new schemes to stop the offense. KC must of let Goff do that play action roll out right 25 times and he had all day to throw. Got to blitz somebody to his spot or find a way to break the timing up. They came with one blitz on one of the Rams last series and it worked but they ignored it the whole game up to that point.

  95. I don’t what game folks were watching on Monday night, but the one I saw involved the defense…not only did they intercept numerous times, they caused several fumbles. If it wasn’t for them, the score would have been in the average range.

  96. nyneal says:
    November 21, 2018 at 12:58 pm
    I often don’t bother tuning in until the 4th quarter because there’s no point watching it before then.
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    You can always read about it in the morning paper with your 5 am cup of joe.

  97. I always laugh when the old codgers proclaim these teams couldn’t have handled playing in the 60’s. Every single team today would throttle every single team from the 60’s, 70’s, or 80’s. Bigger, stronger, faster, better. That’s today’s NFL.

  98. “The stadiums are empty just like NASCAR races”.

    Incorrect on multiple levels. First, NFL stadiums are nowhere near “empty”. The Coliseum, one of the biggest stadiums, was packed Monday night. Many other teams sell out every game.

    Second, NASCAR has not lost near as much popularity as some people claim. The hard core rednecks seem to be upset about some changes, however, the overall attendance and television coverage remain strong.

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