Mike McCarthy: “I need to coach better”

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The Packers’ loss to the Vikings on Sunday night dealt a huge blow to their playoff hopes, and if they miss the playoffs they’re likely to fire head coach Mike McCarthy. After the game, McCarthy sounded like he’s beginning to accept the inevitable.

McCarthy was asked about his own performance and acknowledged it needs to improve.

“I understand why you’re asking the questions. That’s part of the deal. We’re about winning football games. We didn’t do enough. I didn’t do enough. I need to coach better,” McCarthy said.

Fourth downs continue to be an area where McCarthy needs to coach better. He remains too quick to punt when he ought to trust Aaron Rodgers to pick up a first down, and when he does go for it on fourth down, his playcalling is laughably predictable, as the run that went nowhere on fourth-and-inches on Sunday night showed.

That sequence was particularly bad: The Packers were stopped just short on third down. Instead of quickly getting a fourth-down play called, the Packers dawdled and ended up wasting a timeout. At that point, if McCarthy was going to waste a timeout anyway, he should have challenged the spot of the third down, which was close enough that it was worth another look. And then, even with extra time to call the play after the timeout, his run up the middle was the obvious call, which the Vikings’ defense saw coming and stopped easily.

McCarthy does need to coach better. But at this point, it may be too late to save his job.

128 responses to “Mike McCarthy: “I need to coach better”

  1. Its hard to coach when 20% of your salary cap is tied up in one player, and that player is never accountable for any wrongdoing.

  2. You need to coach better?? You’re just realizing that now? You need to go man, your playing calling is stale and predictable, there is no creativity with the offense. 4th and inches and you hand it off 5 yards in the backfield? Just QB sneak it, every other team does that in those situations. Idiot. And if you’re worried about Rodgers, put in Kizer then..you had like 4 inches to go..just fall forward. Just pathetic all around coaching. Same old song and dance with him, you get out coached every game.

  3. No thanks. I’d rather you lose out. Not that he’s entirely the problem. I’d put 50% on Mike and 50% on Rodgers. Thank God they just made him the highest paid player in NFL history (again) and he’s playing at Dalton levels. That contract is the death nail to the Packers getting back to another SB. He hasn’t been “that dude” since 2014 outside of the “Run the Table” stretch and the beginning of last year. The Packers had him under contract for 3 more years and had ZERO reason to pay him again. You know what I take it back – 40% on Mike, 40% on Rodgers and 20% on Mark Murphy.

  4. If Tom Brady can sneak it why the heck wouldn’t you run the sneak with rogers? Just makes zero sense.

  5. My fellow Packers fans need to cut MM some slack. He has coached the team to many great seasons, many playoff appearances, and the Super Bowl victory.

    Perhaps MM has lost some enthusiasm. Perhaps his brother’s death has caused him to reassess his priorities. Something is amiss, but that’s no reason to mercilessly bash a man who has given so much to the team.

  6. I’m sorry but Rodgers missed a wide open first down conversion and a wide open TD. The receivers should have adjusted. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if the Packers won all their remaining games. They were 6-6 in 2010 and didn’t loose again right through the Super Bowl. Never, ever, ever count out Aaron Rodgers. He’s great. End of story.

  7. Rodgers is still an amazing talent. He has just been wasted on MM years. Time for him to go and bring in someone who will let rodgers air it out. You put the ball in your best players hands. coaching 101.

  8. Yes, McCarthy may not be a stellar coach, but let’s not forget that the entire Green Bay team is mediocre at best. Once you neutralize Davante Adams and Aaron Jones the team is toast. As much as Green Bay fans want to admit Rodgers’ contract is a big burden for this organization.

  9. “Thank God they just made him [AR] the highest player in NFL history (again) and he’s playing at Dalton levels. That contract is the death nail to the Packers getting back to another SB”.
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    Just another uninformed person who knows nothing about the salary cap. Brian Gutenkunst, Russ Ball, and Mark Murphy all have many years of experience in building teams and managing the cap. If you really think that those professionals would sabotage Super Bowl chances for one contract you need to find another team to cheer for.

  10. Yes, McCarthy over threw the wide open receiver for the touchdown. McCarthy also dribbled the ball off the turf again, right. McCarthy is also the long haired guy that got no sacks and gave up containment on the bootleg. It’s all his fault so press for a total restart and rebuild with a brand new coach and lose another year of prime quarterback play. Even with the dribbles and misses it’s still top 10.

  11. Somebody will hire him. I guess the Packers at least owe him to finish the season, but when the last game is over……..he’s gone ten minutes later. His “play-by-numbers” is too predictable. He has no gut instinct, and has saddled the Packers time and again by playing “not to lose.”

    Next Coach Up.

  12. Franchise is in trouble for the near future.. Rodgers contract and age are working against them. McCarthy will get sacked after this year. Matthews is old and lost a step.
    The secondary outside of the kid from Louisville is a mess. Stone hands Graham can’t catch a cold. Lots of strange signings and trades.

  13. trophylessvikings says:
    November 26, 2018 at 9:26 am
    Rodgers is still an amazing talent.

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    He hasn’t looked so “amazing” since he shared the field with the actual G.O.A.T. up in New England. In fact since then he has looked downright pedestrian.

  14. What you people fail to realize is that his cap hit is only 20 million this year. The likes of which can be compared to that of any combination of two of the following players: Nick Perry, Clay Matthews, Randall Cobb, Bryan Bulaga, Jimmy Graham.

  15. Does not matter what the Packers do going forward. The Bears are going to be the cream of the crop in this division for a while. Young talent all over the place with the best head and possibly the best quarterback due to the coach in the division. Packers fans better get used to losing again. Rodgers is being bogged down by all those millions in his pockets.

  16. These ridiculous contracts being given to QB’s are killing teams. Carr’s killed the Raiders, Rodgers seems to be the same. Remember Rodgers complaining about the young WR’s in the preseason? As hypocritical as it gets – had he not milked the franchise for every penny he could get they could have signed some better WR’s. Cause and effect seems to be too complicated for the NFL.

  17. People talking about Rodgers being the issue. Tell me, does Rodgers play defense? When was the last time you were happy about the Packers D? 2010? Maybe 2011? How is a defense so consistently bad for the last 7 years? I’ve watched every Packers game for the last 25+ years and these last 5-6 we’ve seen people pass all over us like it’ a 7 on 7 drill. Little to no pressure most games, a secondary that with every passing year makes Charles Woodson look more and more like a one man wrecking crew, prevent defenses, etc.

    The problem is McCarthy at this point. We get dumb penalties, he rarely makes useful adjustments mid-game, his clock management sucks, his play-calling is predictable, just so many problems with him. Rodgers has kept McCarthy employed far longer than he deserved to be. I also hope the Packers tank the rest of the season to make sure everyone in the staff gets fired (maybe the lower tier guys don’t deserve it but I don’t understand football enough to be able to nitpick them and when the top goes so does everyone else) and we have a nice draft pick to start rebuilding the team.

    This nonsense that you can’t win with 20% of your cap tied into Rodgers is silly. You can build a core of young cheap talent around an expensive QB the same way you can build a core of expensive talent around a cheap quarterback.

  18. “go for it on fourth down, his playcalling is laughably predictable, as the run that went nowhere on fourth-and-inches on Sunday night showed.”
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    …or better yet, how about the 14-year veteran quarterback AUDIBLE to an outside run once he saw the defense stack the inside??

    Or how about the 14-year veteran QB not overthrow an wide open Davante Adams in the endzone?

    Or how about the 14-year veteran QB not bounce another 3rd down pass into the turf?

    But sure, let’s blame the coach when a future-HOF can’t do his job properly.

  19. Average joe says:
    November 26, 2018 at 9:22 am
    @william Brady has the option to sneak…just like Rodgers does. Rodgers chooses not to.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Are you on the sideline? Are you in the coaches meetings?

    No?

    Then how the heck do you know what the F is going on with ‘options’? You’re just another opinionated idiotic fan.

    Have a great Monday!

  20. This is where a lot of your reasoning is faulty or just wrong.
    I don’t have exact statistics, but I can assure you, running the ball on 4th down is not a predictable play call out of McCarthy.
    In fact, it flies against just about every tendency Mike calls in those situations, which is usually a pass play 25 or 30 yards downfield.
    Something Zimmer would have been fully aware of.

    And though it’s easy enough to coach from your living room, why in God’s name would you waste a valuable challenge just to try and save a timeout.
    It made perfect sense to call one there and get the play call you wanted.
    Sometimes, you have to leave it to your players on the field to beat their man, win the battle, get one yard.

    If you want to argue the decision to go for it, that’s another story.
    I wanted them to punt there, but then again, I wanted a punt the previous week against the Seahawks too.

    Though Friday morning QBs disagree, it didn’t make a lot of sense changing a 3 point game into an automatic 6, or possible,10 point deficit with 4 minutes to play.
    Where your best strategy is winging Hail Marys.

  21. Hey Cardinealsfan20 when is the last time a team won the SB paying their QB at that level. I’ll wait…..and wait…..and wait…

    Rodgers is going to make roughly 11.5 million per win this year. LET THAT SINK IN!!

  22. Hey Cardinealsfan20 when is the last time a team won the SB paying their QB at that level. I’ll wait…..and wait…..and wait…
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    Tom Brady, 2014

  23. crik911 says:
    November 26, 2018 at 10:01 am
    The questions is who is out there to replace him….

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    Sean McVay, Doug Peterson, etc. There are talented coordinators that are up and coming future head coaches. McCarthy was a good pickup and option the first 5 years or so, but you see only head coaches who can change with the times staying for a decade+ like Andy Reid, Mike Tomlin (the Steelers are a very different team then when he started), and Billy B. The Packers are basically coached the same as they were in 2011.

  24. I will miss McCarthy when he’s gone but not his miserable use of timeouts. Not many coaches make it 13 years in one place anymore. His resume might look a lot better if Brandon Bostick had just done his job in 2014. Good luck Mike.

  25. These ridiculous contracts being given to QB’s are killing teams. Carr’s killed the Raiders, Rodgers seems to be the same.
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    Tom Brady 2018 cap number – $22,000,000
    Tom Brady 2019 cap numbers – $27,000,000

    Aaron Rodgers 2018 cap number – $20,900,000
    Aaron Rodgers 2019 cap number – $26,500,000

  26. What you people fail to realize is that his cap hit is only 20 million this year. The likes of which can be compared to that of any combination of two of the following players: Nick Perry, Clay Matthews, Randall Cobb, Bryan Bulaga, Jimmy Graham.
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    $49mil tied up in those 5 players, and outside of Bulaga, the Packers have gotten almost NOTHING out of them this year.

  27. I’m not a Packer hater, but I just can’t see why everyone feels Mike McCarthy is the sole problem with this team. Have they watched Aaron Rodgers this year? He is constantly rolling his eyes, throwing his arms up, and pointing at receivers. He looks miserable out there. Can you honestly say this guy is a good leader of the offense? Yeah, he’s got an amazing talent but the dude seems like a miserable guy to work with.

  28. tritz32 says:
    November 26, 2018 at 10:00 am
    Hey Cardinealsfan20 when is the last time a team won the SB paying their QB at that level. I’ll wait…..and wait…..and wait…

    Rodgers is going to make roughly 11.5 million per win this year. LET THAT SINK IN!!

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    For some reason the entire Cardinals community clings to that idea that if you pay more for a QB then he must be better.

  29. All I want for Christmas is an offense from this century. AKA, 1 open receiver, ever. The only reason McCarthy still has a job is Rodgers. Here’s another worthless predictable play…nobody is open (surprise)…now scramble around and make a ridiculous play with rookie receivers. SMH for 4 years.

  30. I’m not a Packer hater, but I just can’t see why everyone feels Mike McCarthy is the sole problem with this team. Have they watched Aaron Rodgers this year? He is constantly rolling his eyes, throwing his arms up, and pointing at receivers. He looks miserable out there. Can you honestly say this guy is a good leader of the offense?
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    They cut his favorite target, Cobb is hurt, Graham is a BUM, the interior can’t pass block, and they’re working in 2 rookie WRs.

    Its not a good offense right now. Rodgers is part of that, but the frustration is warranted.

  31. It isn’t Rodgers cap # that is killing the team (that 20 % of the cap tied up in him is bogus anyway), it is a stale offense, a coach that can’t put his finger on the right button at critical times, and a team wrecked by Ted Thompson poor draft picks.

  32. It was a terrible call on 4th….but Zimmer did the exact same thing earlier in the game which was also easily stopped. No mention of that.

  33. OK, year 1 of the rebuild is almost complete. Its amusing to see people trying to ascribe percentage of blame to McCarthy, to Rodgers when people who have watched the team over the past decade recognize that Ted made some bad decisions over the past 5 years that left this team with a dearth of talent and depth. When you obstinately commit to draft and develop, and have years of picking at the bottom of the draft, and then have several poor drafts in a row, it is impossible to produce a talented roster. Last year, we added depth in the secondary and some young receivers. Next year, it will be pass rushers and offensive line, along with a more aggressive approach to free agency, while clearing some overpaid legacy players (thanks Cobb, Matthews). The future in Green Bay looks bright. Good luck to the Bears. Go Pack Go.

  34. The questions is who is out there to replace him….

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    I think Hue Jackson and/or Marvin Lewis is available.

  35. Dirty Sausage says: “Have they watched Aaron Rodgers this year? He is constantly rolling his eyes, throwing his arms up, and pointing at receivers. He looks miserable out there.”
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    Rodgers was upset that GB release his favorite target Jordy Nelson, which turned out to be the right call.

    You can tell that Aaron isn’t on the same page with rookies Valdes-Scantling or St. Brown yet. As a former QB, I’m guessing Nelson could read the defense and anticipate what Rodgers was going with the ball.

  36. Ex-Packers should include: Clay Matthews, Randall Cobb, Nick Perry, Dean Lowry, Tramon Williams, Davon House, DeShone Kizer. That’s the first day of off-season.

    Ted Thompson operating in a vacuum all these years has set back the Packers for years. His draft-and-develop philosophy never worked owing in large part to the fact he and his personnel people never drafted good players.

  37. I dont understand so many of you. Who’s better than McCarthy? A brand new coach will be better? Jones was getting 4 yards a carry, that wasn’t a bad play call. If the open receivers were hit it’s a different game. If Cousins doesn’t get past the sack seeker Matthew’s it’s a different game. Those are McCarthy’s mistakes. We’ll see one day how a new coach works out with everyone telling him to let Rodgers run the show and himself. By the way Tom Brady makes just about everybody he plays against look sub standard, that’s just how great he is.

  38. MM is the reason Rodgers is not on the Packers Mount Rushmore. Yes, there are options for franchise legends & yes Rodgers lacks certain leadership skills. But, MM constantly had miscues on his team that cost his team big.

    However, MM is just getting come-uppance for years of mediocre coaching. He is 2nd guessed in nano-like fashioned & scapegoated this year, but many of the issues in the field with execution are glossed over.

    What scares Green Bay fans is that this season has proved they now have 2 division opponents that are better than them & on the rise. Their bail-them-out QB has diminishing skills, he’s been playing blameshifter role well & has already issued public statements about getting paid big with the ability to have “flexibility.” Flexibility, which was the Freudian Slip alluding to another scary scenario Packer fans subconsicously feel about “HoF QB Wants to Leave Us part deux.” Phase 1 is get rid of the coach. Phase 2 is get out of the contract, if the new coach doesn’t pan out.

    Anyone remember the years before Favre when the “Battle of the Bays” was one of the worst football you’d see in the NFL? I do.

  39. Hey, I am a Cowboys’ fan. I’d take McCarthy every day and twice on Sunday, compared to what we have had to endure, for the last 8 years!! How refreshing to hear a coach say, “I need to coach better”, instead of taking zero accountability for his incompetence, and throwing everyone else under the bus, to try and save his own job……smh I guess it is all in your perspective…..

  40. Average joe says:
    November 26, 2018 at 9:14 am

    McCarthy overthrew a wide open TD late in the 4th last night?

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    When showing the replay Sunday Night Crew said Adams needed to make that catch but even with him fully extending it was overthrown by a yard while he juked he defender so hard he had at least 3 yards of separation. The media for years has always had Rodgers on a pedestal. No mention that throw could have been better.

  41. McCarthy has gotten away from X’s & O’s and turned to Analytics to call plays –
    He’s forgotten about the fundamentals of Football & gone with data & technology to
    draw up plays and it’s backfired more often than not’
    I’m not saying he’s the only coach that rely’s on Analytics – but other coaches lean
    more on the basics & gut instinct when the game is on the line.

  42. Not to pile on the guy, because there are several issues with the team this year, but how many games have the Pack started out just like last night and you think “oh, the offense woke up and this should be a good game!”? But then the other team makes adjustments, MM doesn’t, and the other team pulls away in the 2nd half? You can count on the first 2-3 drives being inventive and pretty fun to watch on offense – and then we get the 1984 playbook where you run on 1st and 2nd down, miss a 3rd down conversion pass, and punt. To me that’s a sign of being outcoached and it’s a frequent issue this year.

  43. What scares Green Bay fans is that this season has proved they now have 2 division opponents that are better than them & on the rise.
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    If Patricia gets Staffords head on straight (which is not a given).. the Lions are better at this point as well.

  44. Hey, I am a Cowboys’ fan. I’d take McCarthy every day and twice on Sunday, compared to what we have had to endure, for the last 8 years!!
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    Please take him.

    Please, I beg you…

  45. vavikingfan says:

    November 26, 2018 at 10:18 am

    Lifelong Viking fan here…you have a coach that’s won 5 out of every 8 games and you want his scalp because of the players he didn’t draft?

    I am a lifelong Packers fan and I totally agree with you. I tend to think of the problem being a thin roster at many spots. Ted Thompson firmly believed in the draft and develop philosophy which worked for years up until about 2-3 years ago.

    I look at the offense as an example. The receivers are Adams and a bunch of rookies they are trying to work in to playing full time. Losing Cobb and Allison to injuries hasn’t done this offense any favors either.

    Do I think it might be time to cut ties? maybe but we better hope the team makes a great hire because this may be one of the biggest coaching decisions they have ever had to make.

  46. I’m sorry but they said on television last night too or 12 Rockies on the team. This is a poorly built a team. They’ve lost most of their veteran leadership and I’ve watch them trade away or lose very strong players in the secondary over and over in the last few years. I think McCarthy lost a lot of his unpredictability as he lost confidence in his Offense and defense. I agree he’s not doing the job he could. I also agree Aaron Rodgers missed some throws this year that he has made in the past. But maybe some of these rookies are not and where they’re supposed to be. Maybe they don’t have enough repetitions with Rogers for these passes that have to be right on the money to work. I’m prepared to give some blame to McCarthy and some Blaine to Rogers, but this team is way down on talent. If you look back to the Brett Favre Super Bowl team, they were loaded on both sides of the ball. Is his team load it on either side of the bowl? There’s a serious GM problem here. The ownership committee knows it that’s why they force Thompson out. I think McCarthy will be Thompson’s latest casualty.

  47. Hopefully, by the time he learns to coach better, it will be on the sidelines in some other NFL city!

    McCarthy needs to go and this is one Packer fan that would be happy to hold the door for him.

  48. amurdora says:
    November 26, 2018 at 9:54 am
    People talking about Rodgers being the issue. Tell me, does Rodgers play defense? When was the last time you were happy about the Packers D? 2010? Maybe 2011? How is a defense so consistently bad for the last 7 years? I’ve watched every Packers game for the last 25+ years and these last 5-6 we’ve seen people pass all over us like it’ a 7 on 7 drill. Little to no pressure most games, a secondary that with every passing year makes Charles Woodson look more and more like a one man wrecking crew, prevent defenses, etc.

    The problem is McCarthy at this point. We get dumb penalties, he rarely makes useful adjustments mid-game, his clock management sucks, his play-calling is predictable, just so many problems with him. Rodgers has kept McCarthy employed far longer than he deserved to be. I also hope the Packers tank the rest of the season to make sure everyone in the staff gets fired (maybe the lower tier guys don’t deserve it but I don’t understand football enough to be able to nitpick them and when the top goes so does everyone else) and we have a nice draft pick to start rebuilding the team.

    This nonsense that you can’t win with 20% of your cap tied into Rodgers is silly. You can build a core of young cheap talent around an expensive QB the same way you can build a core of expensive talent around a cheap quarterback.

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    To put all the blame on MM is also ridiculous given, the number of times drives die because Rodgers misses an open receiver for the first down. In stead of going for an easy pass to keep the chains moving, Rodgers ad-lib and go for a 20+ pass on 3 and 1 or 3 and 2. When it’s success we all praise Rodgers, but when he stops a drive with a miss, we blame MM.

  49. Mike McCarthy isn’t the one making inaccurate throws, missing tackles, blowing coverages, and fumbling punts away…the execution just isn’t there. He shouldn’t get all the blame. They are also decimated with injuries.

  50. If you look back to the Brett Favre Super Bowl team, they were loaded on both sides of the ball. Is his team load it on either side of the bowl? There’s a serious GM problem here. The ownership committee knows it that’s why they force Thompson out. I think McCarthy will be Thompson’s latest casualty.
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    You make some fair points, but McCarthy has never had much success with young players.

    This team hasn’t developed talent for quite awhile. The guys Thompson drafted were either players, and good right away, or they flat out busted.

    That can be a scouting problem, they certainly didn’t draft well on defense.. .but I’ve seen plenty of coaches put players in positions to succeed, or coach/scheme them up… McCarthy simply doesn’t do that. Not on either side of the ball.

  51. One thing you overlook Florio, McCarthy has been running up the middle on 4th down for years and it has worked. often times it’s rodgers but the failure of this year is a poorly constructed roster with a down year from rodgers.

  52. It’s all three, plus media bias and GB fan ignorance. For the last few years many of us have said Rodgers was declining and the Packer roster was thin and if Rodgers went down they had nothing, as was evident last year. Then their defense went from mediocre to putrid so even Rodgers’ slightly above average QB play couldn’t hide their deficiencies.

    Blaming it on the rookies or lack of repetition with Rodgers is also just self deception. Cousins had no experience with diggs or thielen and he hasn’t had any problems connecting with them. yes they are elite, but cousins still makes the throws to the other Viking receivers consistently as well and doesn’t miss them when they are wide open.

    GB needs a complete tear down and rebuild, but they’ll never let Rodgers go, so they will be muddled in mediocrity for another 3-5 years. Which is just find and dandy for me.

  53. But I thought Erin was the key to the whole thing last year. “Just wait till Erin is back!” That’s all we heard constantly. So now it’s the coach?
    I would say it’s the organization in general that has ridden the coattails of two QBs so long that they don’t know how to win when they don’t play well.

  54. Many have mentioned Rodgers lack of experience with many of the young players on the offense and newly signed FA Jimmy Graham.

    Maybe if he had played more than one series in the preseason, he might have started to establish a rapport and timing with them.

    Rodgers got his big payday and decided he wasn’t getting enough money to justify playing any more than he absolutely had to.

  55. Be careful what you wish for. You could end up with a guy like John Gruden who wants to gut the team and rebuild his way, or a guy like Hugh Jackson. By getting rid of McCarthy you could set Rodgers back another 2 years waiting for the team to be built around him. Chances are a total rebuild is what the new coach would do anyway.

    That said, there is just not that much talent around in GB right now.

    If they’re going to let McCarthy go, it should be immediately because GB would be top landing spot for the best coaches available. They should let their intentions be known.

  56. aarons444 says:
    November 26, 2018 at 10:20 am
    These ridiculous contracts being given to QB’s are killing teams. Carr’s killed the Raiders, Rodgers seems to be the same.
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    Tom Brady 2018 cap number – $22,000,000
    Tom Brady 2019 cap numbers – $27,000,000

    Aaron Rodgers 2018 cap number – $20,900,000
    Aaron Rodgers 2019 cap number – $26,500,000
    ________________________

    Brady’s contract expires after 2019, while Rodgers cap hit climbs to 33, 35, and 37 million from 2020-22.

  57. Ex-Packers should include: Clay Matthews, Randall Cobb, Nick Perry, Dean Lowry, Tramon Williams, Davon House, DeShone Kizer. That’s the first day of off-season.
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    Why on earth would you get rid of Dean Lowry and his $720,000 salary for next year when you are already thin on the defensive line?

    Even if he wasn’t starting to play decent football (which he is).

  58. You will never hear Aaron Rodgers say “I need to play better”.
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    Sorry but he literally said that exact thing after last week’s loss. Doesn’t fit your troll agenda I know, but it’s a fact.

  59. The Packers decline is a multi-plate combo: TT’s lousy drafting from 2015-17 and steadfast refusal to supplement the roster in free agency; injuries which seem to plague the Pack more than most teams (an examination of the training staff is in order); MM’s outdated offensive systems; a multi-layer organization that moves to slowly to make needed change; and Rodgers regression since 2014. It ain’t one thing, but I bet most of these are addressed this off-season.

  60. “Sorry but he literally said that exact thing after last week’s loss.”

    He also claimed that the bounced pass on a critical 3rd down play was because the ball “stuck to his hand”. It’s illegal to use “stickum” on his hands and the temp was in the 40’s, so how did the ball stick to his hand?

    Some people just can’t admit fault.

  61. gtodriver says:
    November 26, 2018 at 3:07 pm

    Some people just can’t admit fault.

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    And some people nitpik others without ever saying a single negative thing against their own team. It’s almost the same flaw.

  62. It’s time! Who wouldn’t want this job as Head Coach of the Green Bay Packers? A Great Quarterback…who is the next coach going to be???????

    Lincoln Riley?

  63. Brady’s contract expires after 2019, while Rodgers cap hit climbs to 33, 35, and 37 million from 2020-22.
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    If he keeps playing, you think it will be for less than $27mil he will make next year? Seriously?

  64. Liberalsruineverything says:
    November 26, 2018 at 12:39 pm
    But I thought Erin was the key to the whole thing last year. “Just wait till Erin is back!” That’s all we heard constantly. So now it’s the coach?
    I would say it’s the organization in general that has ridden the coattails of two QBs so long that they don’t know how to win when they don’t play well.
    ////////////////////////

    We can all be thankful the Vikings have guaranteed to show the NFL and all NFL fans exactly how it’s done, on their way to the SuperBowl. Nothing less. All they needed was a finger-pinching difference at the quarterback position. That’s all we heard from Viking fans; “Just wait until we have a decent quarterback of our own. That’s all we need to win a SuperBowl. That’s all any team needs. When you have a decent quarterback, it’s easy to win a SuperBowl.” Let’s watch the fun, shall we?

  65. McCarthy must not watch game film. Rodgers is as much to blame as McCarthy. Rodgers is doing what he is doing to get McCarthy fired. McCarthy deserves to be fired for not adjusting his schemes to fit the game of today. If I can watch a game and know what is going to happen on most plays, DCs know what McCarthy is going to call before he calls it. It’s a miracle they can even get a first down. Pure determination I guess.

  66. Did anyone else catch last night when Adams dropped that pass in the end zone right before Rodgers look up to the sky you can see him cursing at Adams? Oh what a a joy Rodgers must be to have as a teammate.

  67. cheeseisfattening says:
    November 26, 2018 at 7:12 pm
    Did anyone else catch last night when Adams dropped that pass in the end zone right before Rodgers look up to the sky you can see him cursing at Adams? Oh what a a joy Rodgers must be to have as a teammate.
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    It looked to everyone except haters he was lamenting his errant pass. Only. As any quarterback, ANY QUARTERBACK, would do.

    I’d advise you to keep your narrow-minded head away from paper shredders.

  68. Viking fans,

    Don’t pile on. You really think your not going to bow out of playoff contention?

    I’ve said it before, Rodgers is tanking to get McCarthy fired. The throws he’s missing are easy. Nobody noticed how he shredded that Viking D for two quick touchdowns and then just bowed out with bad throws the rest of the game?

    The guy has been one of the most accurate qb’s ever and yet people think his short game is what’s regressing?

    New coach next year and he will have a career year…

  69. McCarthy is not a bad person, his problem is he is a players coach. They have a short time of success. Then players start doing what they want and it slowly falls apart. MM has tried to right the ship this year, problem is it is to late. Culture is not an easy thing to change. There has been a party atmosphere in GB for too long. Baktiari pointed this when he tried to get Gronkowski to come to GB. In his tweet the TE he said ” you want to have fun come to GB”. It is so bad now a change in the coaching staff and large turnover on the roster will probably be needed.

    As for Rodgers, he is showing in his actions and on his face that he is not happy. And yes it is affecting his play. If your in major rebuild mode, trade him to a team with space to a team that only needs a QB to win Super Bowls for 5 years and cap space. Jacksonville comes to mind, let the bidding begin at 5 first round draft picks.

  70. stellarperformance says:

    It looked to everyone except haters he was lamenting his errant pass. Only. As any quarterback, ANY QUARTERBACK, would do.
    ###

    Since when does Rodgers accept responsibility for his errant passes? Remember “The ball stuck to my hand.”…

  71. andrwken says:

    I’ve said it before, Rodgers is tanking to get McCarthy fired. The throws he’s missing are easy. Nobody noticed how he shredded that Viking D for two quick touchdowns and then just bowed out with bad throws the rest of the game?
    ###

    If you really believe that – you should want Gutekunst to cut Rodgers today. No one player is more important than the team.

    As a matter of fact – if true – this needs to be investigated by the NFL and Rodgers banned for life for intentionally throwing games.

    Want to rethink your position?

  72. It is amazing to me that a lot of cheeseheads are going to go with the narrative that Erin is throwing games to get McCarthy canned. The sheer arrogance and vitriol it would take to purposely undermine your own coaches career would be staggering. If that’s what the Packer fans want Erin to be remembered for than the Viking fans will be glad to remind you about it, forever.

  73. 108+ mostly troll posts that I didn’t read. You post on more than 1 screen name and you can be assured I read none of your posts. IP addys are public by the way👌

    Onto Arizona. We will know more Wednesday on the multitude of players dealing with injuries and their availability for
    Sunday.

    Should be a good game. Join us Saturday night in tribute to Jerry Watson. Jerry passed away last week. Jerry was the founder and owner of the world famous Stadium View Bar&Grill near Lambeau Field.

    #100Seasons

    #TitleTown

    GoPackGo!🧀

  74. freefromwhatyouare says:
    November 27, 2018 at 10:16 am
    108+ mostly troll posts that I didn’t read. You post on more than 1 screen name and you can be assured I read none of your posts.
    ———————————

    You had to tell everyone twice to feel better and nobody cares. That’s hilarious.

  75. The game has simply passed McCarthy by it does happen to some coaches. If MM get fired and Josh McDaniel comes in – would IMHO would be the best coach for Green Bay – Rodgers could have an MVP type season. However, with not building depth, putting a good supporting cast around Rodgers for the past 5 year this is what happens. The rookie GB Wrs are going to be good its just takes time. Something Packers fans are not accustomed to. Its just not this year this has been going on for a while. The biggest Glaring deficiency is on defense, no depth ion the secondary and the LB corp. You just cannot make up for it in one draft.

  76. The game has simply passed McCarthy by it does happen to some coaches. If MM get fired and Josh McDaniel comes in – would IMHO would be the best coach for Green Bay – Rodgers could have an MVP type season. However, with not building depth, putting a good supporting cast around Rodgers for the past 5 year this is what happens.
    ======

    1) I want nothing to do with McDaniels after that fiasco with the Colts. If he did that to 1 team, he’s classless enough to do it to the rest of them.

    2) 2014 and 2016, they were the #1 and #4 offenses.. it hasn’t been 5 years of bad offense.. I think we’ve seen 5 years of gradual erosion, but that’s not the same conversation..

  77. The biggest Glaring deficiency is on defense, no depth ion the secondary and the LB corp. You just cannot make up for it in one draft.
    =====

    Alexander – really solid overall.. not great at this point, but has the potential to be
    Jackson – solid in spots, for a rookie.. he has been reliable, and looks the part
    King – who knows.. very up and down.. running out of time though, as a 2nd rounder

    All young.. all 3 may not answer the bell, but you have to go back to the Super Bowl year to find a group of corners with that much potential.

    The safety situation is a hot mess. I’m at a loss there. Not sure what they’re going to do. (probably overpay for a has-been, as they did with Jimmy Graham)

    The LBs

    Martinez – one of the best kept secrets in the League.. proving 2017 was no fluke
    Ryan – on IR.. a 2-down ‘backer.. 160 tackles as a part-timer the last 2 years
    Burks – has been on the field a lot.. too early to tell with him
    Fackrell – has a chance to post double-digit sacks.. out-playing Clay considerably
    Gilbert – another guy out-playing a starter.. a competent role player, at worst

    For the first time in a LONG time, there is some young talent on defense.

    And I think a lot of this is coaching. It was so ABUNDANTLY clear Capers was lost. This D is currently middle of the pack.. but there have been numerous games where the D held their ground, and they’re showing signs of life under Pettine.

  78. aarons444 says:
    November 27, 2018 at 1:53 pm
    The game has simply passed McCarthy by it does happen to some coaches. If MM get fired and Josh McDaniel comes in – would IMHO would be the best coach for Green Bay – Rodgers could have an MVP type season. However, with not building depth, putting a good supporting cast around Rodgers for the past 5 year this is what happens.
    ======

    1) I want nothing to do with McDaniels after that fiasco with the Colts. If he did that to 1 team, he’s classless enough to do it to the rest of them.

    2) 2014 and 2016, they were the #1 and #4 offenses.. it hasn’t been 5 years of bad offense.. I think we’ve seen 5 years of gradual erosion, but that’s not the same conversation..

    ////////////

    You’re missing the whole point, if the organization would have drafted for depth 4-5 years ago those players would be developed by now if not sooner so when injures occur you have those players groomed and ready to go. Does not matter if you have a number one offense say two years ago, this is now – if the Packers would have drafted wisely those player would be ready by now and you wouldn’t have rookie wideouts trying to play at a veteran level.

  79. You’re missing the whole point, if the organization would have drafted for depth 4-5 years ago those players would be developed by now if not sooner so when injures occur you have those players groomed and ready to go. Does not matter if you have a number one offense say two years ago, this is now – if the Packers would have drafted wisely those player would be ready by now and you wouldn’t have rookie wideouts trying to play at a veteran level.
    ======

    Try again;

    Eddie Lacy 2nd round – ate himself out of football
    Jon Franklin, 4th – neck injury ended his career
    Ty Montgomery, 3rd – role player
    Richard Rodgers, 3rd – role player

    .. they drafted 5 WRs in the 5th-7th rounds 2013-2016, not a SINGLE one is producing, ANYWHERE.

  80. Alan Light says:
    November 27, 2018 at 12:23 pm
    so when does Stellar tell us once again that Green Bay is the team to beat the North?
    ///////////////////

    On the day they play the Bears. The Bears will say the same thing…..on that day.

  81. So you admit that it’s only the bears and packers that feel the other is the “team to beat” while the rest of the league and human civilization recognizes that the Vikings have dominated both the packers and bears the last 3 years. And longer term it’s the Bears and Vikings with the most division titles, not the packers. No objective opinion can put the packers as the tema to beat.

  82. aarons444 says:
    November 27, 2018 at 2:17 pm

    For the first time in a LONG time, there is some young talent on defense.

    This D is currently middle of the pack.. but there have been numerous games where the D held their ground, and they’re showing signs of life under Pettine.

    +++++

    Agree with you, and enjoyed seeing your thoughts on the players. As you don’t blindly support the Packers coaching and players and are in fact more critical than most, I am heartened to see you also believe the D is headed in the right direction.

    Alexander is by far the most talented player in the secondary. On the rare occasions when Alexander and King have been on the field together the D has looked their best. I am less impressed with Jackson but he seems more willing to tackle as the season progresses and has played 65% of the defensive stats, so a Year 2 leap is a possibility.

    As for the LB’s Fackrell is showing flashes….the way he closed on Russell Wilson around the 5 yard line a few games back was truly impressive. Gilbert I hoped would show a little more but will at least be in the rotation next year. Ryan over Morrison for sure. Burks has only played 15% of defensive snaps, which is a disappointment (but has looked good on special teams.

    Lowry’s growth on the D-line has been great to see, and I even saw Monty Adams make a couple plays last week. I hope Pettine is retained by the incoming head coach, kind of the worst part of McCarthy’s lame duck season is the uncertainty if he will be retained. Like you, I hope Green Bay avoids the urge to sign expensive vets on D, one more year before Clark and Martinez need to be extended.

  83. purplepackerhater says:
    November 27, 2018 at 4:56 pm
    So you admit that it’s only the bears and packers that feel the other is the “team to beat” while the rest of the league and human civilization recognizes that the Vikings have dominated both the packers and bears the last 3 years. And longer term it’s the Bears and Vikings with the most division titles, not the packers. No objective opinion can put the packers as the tema to beat.
    ////////////////////////////////

    Except when the schedules come out every year , every Viking fan, bar none, immediately looks to see when the Vikings play the Packers……..when are their bI-annual SuperBowls?

  84. MM doesn’t have the juice he had when he arrived, it’s time for him to get a fresh start somewhere **cough cough Cleveland cough** but also keep in mind this: Aaron Rodgers makes, give or take, about 28K per play. That’s for real. Next time you watch the Packers, ask yourself if you think Rodgers earned his 28K on that play. All I’m saying is that he deserves some of the blame. I’m missing Favre more and more past couple seasons. Brett never had a good a coach either after Holmgren, he just went out and did it. He could get the troops fired up on any given Sunday, and make pretty much any coach look good. Really missing his flavor of greatness these days.

  85. gtodriver says:
    November 27, 2018 at 7:36 am
    andrwken says:

    I’ve said it before, Rodgers is tanking to get McCarthy fired. The throws he’s missing are easy. Nobody noticed how he shredded that Viking D for two quick touchdowns and then just bowed out with bad throws the rest of the game?
    ###

    If you really believe that – you should want Gutekunst to cut Rodgers today. No one player is more important than the team.

    As a matter of fact – if true – this needs to be investigated by the NFL and Rodgers banned for life for intentionally throwing games.

    Want to rethink your position?

    /////

    Not at all.

    Unlike you I realize I can have that opinion and it doesn’t have to be sexy or fashionable. My opinion also does not affect the NFL or Rodgers. I get the opinion you place a higher worth on yours.

    Look, If Rodgers blatantly admitted it, then gute should send him to Gruden for all those 1st round picks. He can play with Jordy again.

    Reality is, (this is where you usually struggle)

    Any player can say, “my head wasn’t in it”, or “ I was emotionally drained from my relationship with the coach” and it affected my play.

    I suppose your naive enough to think pro athletes don’t “pick and choose” at times when to play hard.

  86. It is not up for debate and is well documented that Chicago, Minnesota, and Detroit all consider Green Bay as their biggest rival.

    The Packers and their fan base consider only Chicago as their biggest rival.

    Any other words on the topic come from jealous Vikings fans who are butthurt that the Packers have never considered them their main rival.

    #100Seasons

    #TitleTown

    #OneTeamOneNation

    #PackersNation

  87. freefromwhatyouare says:
    November 28, 2018 at 8:57 am
    It is not up for debate and is well documented that Chicago, Minnesota, and Detroit all consider Green Bay as their biggest rival.

    ——————-

    For the Lions, it’s very debatable! Most Lions fans probably hate the Bears more, given there is more history between our two teams, and the geographical proximity between Detroit and Chicago. We’re also the two big cities/states in the division, with Detroit metro having 5.2 million and Chicago metro having 9.5 million.

  88. freefromwhatyouare says:
    November 28, 2018 at 8:57 am

    The Packers and their fan base consider only Chicago as their biggest rival.
    —————————————

    Another daily therapy session I see. All the Packer fans I know don’t like losing to the Bears but they curl up in a ball when they lose to the Vikings. A rivalry that started when people where riding dinosaurs doesn’t make it the best, it just makes it the oldest. But keep telling yourself that if you want.

  89. Who’s whose biggest rival. I guess this is all the Packer fans have to talk about until their offseason starts and they can start looking at which draft picks will be the saviors of their rebuild year 2.

  90. You know that one person that you don’t even really know or care about, who always shows up where you are and tries talking to you? That’s Vikings fans in a Packers thread.

    Moving on…

    There will be a couple NFC teams that are 9-7 to end the season. If the Packers finish 9-6-1 they would go to the playoffs over those teams. Some say the Pack has no shot at the playoffs. They are correct if we don’t beat Arizona, Atlanta, Chicago, The Jets, and Detroit. If we win those five though, I truly like our chances of getting into the dance.

    Next up, Arizona Sunday.

    #GoPackGo!🧀

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