Aaron Rodgers: Fundamentals aren’t any different this year

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Perhaps a bigger story than the candidates for the MVP award is who isn’t a candidate for the award. Aaron Rodgers has won the award twice. He has no chance to win it this year.

Rodgers has 20 touchdowns, one interception and a 101.7 passer rating, but he hasn’t played like Aaron Rodgers the entire season.

The Packers quarterback has completed only 61.7 percent of his passes, which would rank as the second-lowest of his career. He leads the league with 47 throwaways, according to Steve Palazzolo of Pro Football Focus, compared to only 82 total incompletions for Drew Brees. Rodgers has missed his target on 20.6 percent of his 286 attempts, according to ESPN, which is above the NFL average off-target rate of 16 percent this season.

It has raised questions about Rodgers’ fundamentals and whether a Week One knee injury affected him.

“I don’t think I need to respond about fundamentals,” Rodgers said, via Rob Demovsky of ESPN. “I mean, I drill the fundamentals. I throw how I throw. I’m not playing any different this year. It’s just we’re not completing as many passes percentage-wise.

“I listen to my quarterback coach and my offensive coordinator and my head coach. My study of myself, I’m very critical of my own film. I’m not playing any differently fundamental-wise. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t love it when it’s a certain way and then critique it when it’s the other way. I mean, you guys can because that what you guys get paid to do. Again, that’s the news cycle. They’re going to pick at things when you’re in a situation like this where we’re at. We’re 4-6-1 so it comes with the territory.”

Rodgers, who pointed out USA Football twice has named him to its All-Fundamental team, is missing throws he usually makes. He said a third-and-two throw against Seattle that bounced at the feet of Marquez Valdes-Scantling stuck in his hand. He missed back-to-back throws in the fourth quarter against Minnesota with the second-down toss landing at the feet of Equanimeous St. Brown and the third-down throw sailing over Davante Adams.

“I told you, the first one stuck to my hand, and the second one, I threw without laces and threw it into the ground,” Rodgers said. “So I can’t really explain it any other way. You can go back and check the film on the second one, but that’s what happened. I practiced throwing without the laces. I was trying to get the ball out quick, and I just didn’t throw it well. The first one, I told you it just stuck to my hand. Some balls are tackier than other ones.

“It’s embarrassing, for sure. Yeah, I mean, it happens to the best of us.”

126 responses to “Aaron Rodgers: Fundamentals aren’t any different this year

  1. It’s clear Rodgers is done with McCarthy. My only question is why the Packers are going to waste 5 more games to start their search for the missing piece of their puzzle. Who is the Packers’ next head coach?

  2. Maybe his hands were sticky from counting all of his money.

    Hard to build a good team when one player is demanding to be the highest paid in league history. It’s not like he really needs an extra 5 million a year with endorsements. That money could have went towards Khalil Mack, but nope, Aaron doesn’t care about winning.

  3. Everyone is dumping on Aaron Rodgers, including many Packers fans. NFL fans have short memories, that’s for sure.
    Aaron Rodgers has not played up to HIS usual standards this season. But let’s look at the facts:
    His QB rating is 102.1. He’s thrown for over 3200 yards. He has thrown 20 TD’s and 1 interception. Has he missed more throws than usual? Absolutely. But remember — Jordy Nelson, who was the most dependable WR he had especially when he was scrambling — was cut. Randall Cobb, another dependable WR hasn’t played very well and has missed a lot of time because of injuries. The Packers had a very reliable TE in Jared Cook two years ago, but in spite of Rodgers stating he hoped they’d keep him, they let him go to Oakland. Then they brought in Martellus Bennett, and we all know how that worked out. Then this year they brought in Jimmy Graham, who is clearly a shell of what he once was, and Marcedes Lewis, who they have used primarily as a blocker.
    Rodgers has had two rookie WR’s (Valdes-Scantling and St. Brown) who are tall and look like they could have nice careers, but they are also very raw and the knock on both of them is they are not yet good route runners. He has a third rookie WR who has played some in J’Mon Moore, but he has hands of stone and drops too many passes.
    The best RB on the team is clearly Aaron Jones, but for the most ridiculous reason I have ever heard (he doesn’t want him to get hurt), Mike McCarthy did not start him until recently and still sits him for long periods during games, and even when he’s out there, doesn’t give him the ball enough!
    I am not making excuses for Rodgers, though I know what I am saying will be raked over and I will be called every name in the book, but it’s all true. I have watched every play of Aaron Rodgers’ career and he can still make every throw there is as well as anyone and better than most. I haven’t even mentioned the fact that he injured his knee early in the season and missed a lot of practice time and has still played on it. His haters don’t give him credit for that, either. But it’s also a fact. And, everyone forgets he missed most of the season last year because of that broken collar bone. Has that had lingering affects on his throwing? I don’t know, but it’s certainly possible.
    So — Rodgers has been a Hall Of Fame QB for the Packers and he has nothing to prove to anyone, as far as I’m concerned. He lead them to a Super Bowl win and played magnificently in that game.
    I believe the Packers should have fired Mike McCarthy long ago, but certainly now it’s a must-do. His offense has been stale and as Chris Simms said the other night, it’s the same offense he ran in 1998 when Favre was still there.
    I’ll tell you what I’d do if I were Aaron Rodgers. I would retire at seasons end. He has done everything he needs to do to assure his place as one of the best QB’s to play in the NFL. History doesn’t lie, folks, only revisionist historians lie. Aaron should announce his retirement without any fanfare and ride off in the sunset with Danica Patrick or whatever other beautiful woman he chooses and stop playing a game which is only going to make his later years more difficult.
    And as long time Packers fan, thanks for all you’ve done, Aaron. It’s been great having you as the Packers QB and you did a better job than anyone would have predicted. In fact, in your best years you were every bit as good as Brett Favre was. The odds of the Packers finding a third Hall Of Fame QB in a row are minuscule, though they have a young guy named Tim Boyle who certainly has all the tools you’d want in a good QB.
    When I look at Aaron Rodgers career, I think of what Bill Parcells said about Phil Simms. Parcells said, “Giants fans will never realize how good he is until he’s gone”. That is so true and fits Rodgers to a tee. I just hope the Packers have better luck in finding a replacement for Rodgers than the Giants have had trying to replace Simms. Because they are still looking for someone to be “that guy”.

  4. It’s likely Mike McCarthy is gone. The candidate pool for the opening is going to shrink now that we’ve seen Mr. Rodgers is a coach-killer.
    My point is the Packers should seriously consider finding a trade with a team for Rodgers, too, and start over. Rodgers now thinks he’s the one in charge ala LaBron James at Cleveland. There is a precedent: they moved on from Favre. The Packers don’t have a HOF QB in the wings, but this team is so short of talent that it’s going to be years before they will contend again anyway. Why keep the Diva around at $30 mill a year?

  5. Nyneal: It sounds as if you’re in love with the guy. Many of us are not.

    I never have heard excuses from the other No. 12, the GOAT, Tom Brady. All he does is produce. And, BTW, I don’t recall seeing him running around doing a bunch of commercials and playing in celebrity golf tournaments.

    Rodgers is stuck on himself. And if you can’t see this, then you’re in denial.

  6. Rodgers, who pointed out USA Football twice has named him to its All-Fundamental team, is missing throws he usually makes.
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    This just made me laugh. Can’t win the SB or another MVP, but hey at least USA Football thinks I have good fundamentals.

  7. So Mr. Rodgers has determined that it is not his fundamentals that are the problem for his decline.

    That leaves his motivation to perform at a high level or his declining skills as the reason – take your pick.

    Either that, or his new contract they he demanded (to be the highest paid player in NFL history), has him doing the “I got paid, so I don’t need to perform anymore” shuffle.

  8. harryhodag says:

    It’s likely Mike McCarthy is gone. The candidate pool for the opening is going to shrink now that we’ve seen Mr. Rodgers is a coach-killer.
    My point is the Packers should seriously consider finding a trade with a team for Rodgers, too, and start over.
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    I agree totally that Rodgers makes a difficult situation for any new HC for the Packres.

    As to a trade of Rodgers – I totally understand your position and actually agree that might be the best plan for moving on.

    The only problem is – Rodgers forced the team into rewriting his current deal. And the terms of the deal are so lopsided that the Packers can’t move him for years.

    If the Packers were to trade Rodgers after the season, they would incur a $59.4 MILLION dead cap hit. Even if they wait until after the 2019 season, the cap hit is only down to $34.5 MILLION.

    Okay, so it gets much better after the 2020 season, the cap hit is down to a measly $23 MILLION – just to get rid of Rodgers.

    The Packers are stuck with Rodgers and Rodgers is stuck with the Packers. It all has to do with Rodgers greed and the Packers mortgaging the future by back loading so much of the cap hit into the future.

  9. Liberalsruineverything says:
    November 29, 2018 at 6:42 am
    Remember the last time the Packers made the playoffs? They needed three games full of fishy calls and a Hail Mary to get there. That was a long time ago it seams.
    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    Do you remember the last time the Vikings went one-and-done in the playoffs? Heck, who doesn’t? Everyone from my eighty-eight year old aunt to my five year-old granddaughter remembers. You know why? Because the Vikings own the all-time NFL record for one-and-done postseason appearances, that’s why. That includes the bygone days when only “six” teams played! There should’ve been a lot of repeats, but no, the Vikings own it. In fact, the Vikngs need to win the SuperBowl four times in a row just for an outside chance another team might overtake this dubious honor. If not for a fluky never-happen-again stroke of luck (luckiest team in the NFL,) they’d have easily added to their wholly-owned distinction of one-and-done Masters! I think they will own this record until the world ends.

    I’ll never forget.

  10. You guys can hate on Rodgers all you want and as a Packer fan some of his decision making is frustrating this year, but PLEASE more than half of the teams in the NFL right now would straight up swap their QBs for Rodgers in a heart beat and that is a fact.

  11. Brett Favre may not have been perfect and threw a lot of picks, but at least he looked like he wanted to be there. He played on some garbage teams and he was still trying to rally players and win. Aaron Rodgers is not firing anyone up. I know he lost some players and is not happy, but he’s getting paid to lead this team. He’s the highest paid player in the league and he’s out there rolling his eyes after almost every play.

  12. Rodgers is treating reality just like family he ignores it . It’s clear to everyone but him he has cost the Packers games by making poor throws at critical points in the game . The knee injury explains the reduced mobility but doesn’t explain missing wide open throws . Typical Rodgers , instead of owning his mistakes he makes excuses instead . One possibility for his poor performance might be his arm is worn out from throwing his receivers and coaches under the bus .

  13. I’ve seen every snap Aaron has taken in the NFL and there is no difference this season in his fundamentals.

    On a lighter note, If you saw Aaron’s media time at his locker yesterday, Aaron was rocking one of his brilliant stache’s. Wyatt Earp would be proud. I encourage you to go to packers.com and watch the video his media time yesterday. Aaron was candid as always about his and the teams recent struggles.

    The Packers need to win out to get in the playoffs, that is the focus right now. One game at a time. Arizona up.

    Packers fans can start rooting against Seattle, Carolina, and Washington. We need each of those teams to lose two of their final five games.

    And it goes without saying to always still root against Chicago.

    #GoPackGo!🧀

  14. wick0926 says:
    November 29, 2018 at 7:50 am
    You guys can hate on Rodgers all you want and as a Packer fan some of his decision making is frustrating this year, but PLEASE more than half of the teams in the NFL right now would straight up swap their QBs for Rodgers in a heart beat and that is a fact.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    Except for that pesky little thing called the “salary cap”.

  15. nyneal:

    I am not going to copy your whole post for the sake of other readers( I quit reading 1/2 way through).( Be more succinct.) I will copy this part:

    nyneal says: I am not making excuses for Rodgers.
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    Yes, that is EXACTLY what you are doing.
    1. players let go
    2. injuries
    3. players not living up to expectations
    4. bad head coach.

    Yes, you certainly made excuses.

    We were told after last year that when AR was back the Packers would be back to normal. Well, what happened? This team stinks and will stink for a few years now. This is not a 1 year turnaround. This has always been mostly a 1 man team and as he ages , he is regressing to good, not great.

    Also, stop using his leg injury as an excuse. it is plain to see that he is able to run when he needs to. The injury that is affecting him is the collarbone injury. He has no touch to his passes anymore, and whether he wants to admit or not, that IS affecting his mechanics.

  16. nyneal says:
    November 29, 2018 at 6:42 am

    Everyone is dumping on Aaron Rodgers, including many Packers fans. NFL fans have short memories, that’s for sure.
    Aaron Rodgers has not played up to HIS usual standards this season. But let’s look at the facts:
    His QB rating is 102.1. He’s thrown for over 3200 yards. He has thrown 20 TD’s and 1 interception. Has he missed more throws than usual….

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    Where on earth do you get you fact from, he had a QBR last week of 23.4, and has an overall rating this year of 55.6 (as of ). So looking at the fact means making them up?

  17. Max Kellerman told me that Rodgers is the Goat, so that 4-6-1 record must be a typo and the recent anemic performances some kind of glitch on the video.

  18. stellarperformance says:
    November 29, 2018 at 6:39 am

    The bigger mistake being made is haters counting Rodgers and the Packers out.
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    I understand you live and die with the Pack, but you gotta be realistic.

    Not that I expect you will, since I saw you post that the Vikings were “lucky” after going 5-1-1 vs GB in the last 7 games. Dude, that’s called utter domination, not luck.

    The Pack are not going anywhere this year and even Mr. Rodgers knows it.

  19. I’ll take Aaron Rodgers as a quarterback and a leader over Kirk Cousins every day of the week and twice on Sundays along with Monday and Thursday nights. Let the skoltrolls have their day, after decades of futility, they should enjoy their crumbs.

  20. Why has everyone forgotten the knee injury that should have kept him from playing at all? That has nothing to do with the decline in his numbers? Being physically unable to move for a huge chunk of the season in the same way he’s moved his entire career?

  21. That’s why Rodgers is not in the conversation for GOAT.

    Too injury prone now and by the looks of things, may be in decline. Unlike Brady he won’t make it to age 40 in this league.

  22. Some narrow-minded troll maintains the Packers are “stuck” with Rodgers. What a dope. When ninety percent of teams are trying desperately to find the next Rodgers, the Packers are “stuck.” Right.

    The Vikings have gone through two dozen quarterbacks looking for their Rodgers, and still came up short with Cousins. But the Packers are “stuck.” Uh huh.

  23. freedomofspeechyesway says:
    November 29, 2018 at 6:56 am
    Either Rodgers is overrated or the QB position is overrated.

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    Great points. I say both are correct.

  24. billtetley53 says:
    November 29, 2018 at 8:22 am
    We were told after last year that when AR was back the Packers would be back to normal. Well, what happened?
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    What happened? Really? Please tell us how any quarterback is expected to perform normally with an injured knee and a brace. He took it off one week ago. One week.

    Some of you idiots are hate-blind. Get some help.

  25. “This is where McCarthy is getting victimized. A great illustration of Rodgers’s unevenness came two weeks ago in Green Bay’s win over Miami. The Packers faced a 4th-and-2 near midfield. The Dolphins are a zone D that almost always plays nickel. Knowing their nickel would keep two linebackers on the field, McCarthy put in a fourth receiver and aligned Davante Adams in the backfield, so their top weapon could run his route against those overmatched linebackers. Adams did, breaking open on a short-angle route right in Rodgers’s immediate line of vision. The play worked perfectly. And Rodgers, for reasons not even Sigmund Freud could figure out, tried to break down and extend the play. A quick-strike play like this can’t be extended, though, and naturally, the protection cracked and Rodgers was sacked.”

  26. “I told you, the first one stuck to my hand, and the second one, I threw without laces and threw it into the ground,” Rodgers said. “So I can’t really explain it any other way. You can go back and check the film on the second one, but that’s what happened. I practiced throwing without the laces. I was trying to get the ball out quick, and I just didn’t throw it well. The first one, I told you it just stuck to my hand. Some balls are tackier than other ones.
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    Are both teams playing with the same balls?

  27. “This season has become a microcosm of Rodgers’s career — lots of individual spectacular plays, and some eye-popping stats, but coming up small in crucial moments and not winning the big games.”

  28. As to a trade of Rodgers – I totally understand your position and actually agree that might be the best plan for moving on.
    The only problem is – Rodgers forced the team into rewriting his current deal. And the terms of the deal are so lopsided that the Packers can’t move him for years.
    If the Packers were to trade Rodgers after the season, they would incur a $59.4 MILLION dead cap hit. Even if they wait until after the 2019 season, the cap hit is only down to $34.5 MILLION.
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    The Packers fell all over themselves to resign Rodgers.

    The team President wouldn’t shut up about it all offseason.

    Rodgers didn’t force them to do anything.

  29. Why has everyone forgotten the knee injury that should have kept him from playing at all? That has nothing to do with the decline in his numbers? Being physically unable to move for a huge chunk of the season in the same way he’s moved his entire career?
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    Same reason sharks respond to blood in the water….

  30. In 2018, Rodgers will earn a base salary of $19,800,000, a roster bonus of $262,500 and a workout bonus of $500,000, while carrying a cap hit of $20,562,500. 2015-19 Per Game Bonus: $37,500 ($600,000, 7 LTBE in 2018)———————————————————-
    In 2018, Cousins will earn a base salary of $22,500,000, a signing bonus of $3,000,000 and a workout bonus of $500,000, while carrying a cap hit of $24,000,000 and a dead cap value of $82,500,000.

    I really get a kick out of how everyone is saying Rodgers is killing GB cap.

  31. @Chad A

    QB Rating and QBR are two completely different stats…QB Rating goes to 158.3 and QBR only goes to 100. QBR is a stat the four letter created

  32. nyneal says:
    November 29, 2018 at 6:42 am
    Everyone is dumping on Aaron Rodgers, including many Packers fans. NFL fans have short memories, that’s for sure.
    Aaron Rodgers has not played up to HIS usual standards this season. But let’s look at the facts:
    His QB rating is 102.1. He’s thrown for over 3200 yards. He has thrown 20 TD’s and 1 interception. Has he missed more throws than usual? Absolutely. But remember — Jordy Nelson, who was the most dependable WR he had especially when he was scrambling — was cut. Randall Cobb, another dependable WR hasn’t played very well and has missed a lot of time because of injuries. The Packers had a very reliable TE in Jared Cook two years ago, but in spite of Rodgers stating he hoped they’d keep him, they let him go to Oakland. Then they brought in Martellus Bennett, and we all know how that worked out. Then this year they brought in Jimmy Graham, who is clearly a shell of what he once was, and Marcedes Lewis, who they have used primarily as a blocker.
    Rodgers has had two rookie WR’s (Valdes-Scantling and St. Brown) who are tall and look like they could have nice careers, but they are also very raw and the knock on both of them is they are not yet good route runners. He has a third rookie WR who has played some in J’Mon Moore, but he has hands of stone and drops too many passes.
    The best RB on the team is clearly Aaron Jones, but for the most ridiculous reason I have ever heard (he doesn’t want him to get hurt), Mike McCarthy did not start him until recently and still sits him for long periods during games, and even when he’s out there, doesn’t give him the ball enough!
    I am not making excuses for Rodgers, though I know what I am saying will be raked over and I will be called every name in the book, but it’s all true. I have watched every play of Aaron Rodgers’ career and he can still make every throw there is as well as anyone and better than most. I haven’t even mentioned the fact that he injured his knee early in the season and missed a lot of practice time and has still played on it. His haters don’t give him credit for that, either. But it’s also a fact. And, everyone forgets he missed most of the season last year because of that broken collar bone. Has that had lingering affects on his throwing? I don’t know, but it’s certainly possible.
    So — Rodgers has been a Hall Of Fame QB for the Packers and he has nothing to prove to anyone, as far as I’m concerned. He lead them to a Super Bowl win and played magnificently in that game.
    I believe the Packers should have fired Mike McCarthy long ago, but certainly now it’s a must-do. His offense has been stale and as Chris Simms said the other night, it’s the same offense he ran in 1998 when Favre was still there.
    I’ll tell you what I’d do if I were Aaron Rodgers. I would retire at seasons end. He has done everything he needs to do to assure his place as one of the best QB’s to play in the NFL. History doesn’t lie, folks, only revisionist historians lie. Aaron should announce his retirement without any fanfare and ride off in the sunset with Danica Patrick or whatever other beautiful woman he chooses and stop playing a game which is only going to make his later years more difficult.
    And as long time Packers fan, thanks for all you’ve done, Aaron. It’s been great having you as the Packers QB and you did a better job than anyone would have predicted. In fact, in your best years you were every bit as good as Brett Favre was. The odds of the Packers finding a third Hall Of Fame QB in a row are minuscule, though they have a young guy named Tim Boyle who certainly has all the tools you’d want in a good QB.
    When I look at Aaron Rodgers career, I think of what Bill Parcells said about Phil Simms. Parcells said, “Giants fans will never realize how good he is until he’s gone”. That is so true and fits Rodgers to a tee. I just hope the Packers have better luck in finding a replacement for Rodgers than the Giants have had trying to replace Simms. Because they are still looking for someone to be “that guy”.

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    Retire to preserve his stats? What kind of nonsense is that? He is a football player. It’s not some magical race to be the greatest of all time. He wants to win games.

    Brady’s going to play until he can’t throw it anymore for himself. He’s not worried about preserving his legacy. Maybe Rodgers is, but I hope not. He should just go out there and sling it for 10 more years and forget about stats.

  33. Remember the last time the Packers made the playoffs? They needed three games full of fishy calls and a Hail Mary to get there. That was a long time ago it seams.
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    Remember that time when Mike McCarthy should have been fired after the epic meltdown when he blew a double-digit lead under 4:00 to go in a Championship Game?

    That was his “Rubicon”.. to borrow one of his own lines.

  34. Good that the Pack signed that mega-extension with a QB that, after so many injuries, may be on the decline.

  35. johngaltwho says:
    November 29, 2018 at 8:45 am
    I’ll take Aaron Rodgers as a quarterback and a leader over Kirk Cousins every day of the week and twice on Sundays along with Monday and Thursday nights. Let the skoltrolls have their day, after decades of futility, they should enjoy their crumbs.

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    That’s a no brainer. And you cannot argue that the team around Rodgers is anywhere close to what the Vikings have currently. Things will change over time though. The Packers will get better. Just a low year.

    I don’t like when people start comparing Rodgers to Brady and saying Rodgers is the greatest of all time. I think that’s nonsense in so many ways and disrespectful to Brady. However, Rodgers is great, and will go down as one of the greats to play the game if he finishes his career the way he started. Any team would want Rodgers.

  36. Ok I am a lifelong Packers fan who remembers only too well what life was like before Favre and Rodgers. To even suggest the Packers cut or trade #12 is just mind boggling to me. Honestly never thought I would say it but Packers fans are becoming a bunch of spoiled rotten brats.

    As for Aaron and this season there at a lot of things at play. Adams is a really good WR but who else has #12 had to throw to? The TE’s are a mess, Cobb and Allison have pretty much missed the whole season with injuries, and the OL has been in flux. Has he looked like himself no but there are a lot of factors there.

  37. There’s nothing more amusing to me than seeing the irrational hatred vented by the frustrated trolls every single time an Aaron Rodgers story is posted.
    Boy, he must have really done a number on your teams over the years.

  38. That’s why Rodgers is not in the conversation for GOAT.

    Too injury prone now and by the looks of things, may be in decline. Unlike Brady he won’t make it to age 40 in this league.
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    He’s the most efficient QB in NFL history.

    Highest Passer rating
    Best single-season passer rating (although it appears Brees may have a legit shot at that this year)
    Highest TD/INT ratio
    Lowest INT%

    In a ‘DOWN’ year, he’s better than 3/4 of the other starters.

    .. but Brady sure does play for a better organization. You’re right there for sure.

  39. The Packers are stuck with Rodgers and Rodgers is stuck with the Packers. It all has to do with Rodgers greed and the Packers mortgaging the future by back loading so much of the cap hit into the future.
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    Aaron Rodgers 2018 cap number – $20,900,000 (11.54% of the Packers cap)
    Aaron Rodgers 2019 cap number – $26,500,000

    Tom Brady 2018 cap number – $22,000,000 (12.21 of the cheats cap)
    Tom Brady 2019 cap number – $27,000,000

  40. “Fundamentally, there’s no difference between the 4-6-1 Packers and the 4-6-1 Cleveland Browns.”

    yes there is; the Browns have a promising future.

  41. They got rid of Jordy Nelson, and Randall Cobb has been absent basically all year. He’s not becoming Drew Brees with the no-name WR’s. They’re not coached well, and the GM is equally incompetent. They’ve become complacent, fully relying on Aaron Rodgers talent to mask ineptitude far too long. Rodgers is getting long in the tooth, and a QB can only do so much, ask Tony Romo. If they don’t build a better team around him, he’ll never smell another Super Bowl, much less the playoffs.

    Signed – a Cowboys fan.

  42. I wanna love Rodgers, but he makes it darn near impossible with his smug, smartest-guy-in-room-attitude. He clearly is not playing well. And the deep balls on third-and-short are flat-out maddening. And the throwing off back foot garbage and under throwing guys is another startling reveal. He says ‘We’re not playing as well as we have in the past …’ The ‘past’ to GB fans is 2014. They were awful in 2015. They were awful again in 2016 until they got hot late, but every pragmatic Packers fan knew that a defense with some guy named Gunter as your starting corner was not winning a title. They were awful in 2017 and they’re awful this year. Prior to 2014, they were bad in 2013 and had no defense in 2011 and 2012. In fact, if not for Green Bay’s swiss cheese defense, no one would know who Colin Kaepernick is. The Packers have been less than stellar for a long time. It wasn’t usually Rodgers’ fault, however, this year he clearly is off his game. But he doesn’t own it. And that’s disturbing.

  43. Brett Favre may not have been perfect and threw a lot of picks, but at least he looked like he wanted to be there. He played on some garbage teams and he was still trying to rally players and win. Aaron Rodgers is not firing anyone up. I know he lost some players and is not happy, but he’s getting paid to lead this team. He’s the highest paid player in the league and he’s out there rolling his eyes after almost every play.
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    Favre played in a different era, where teams weren’t paranoid about turnovers.

    And he didn’t really play on garbage teams, aside from 2005-2006. 1994-1998, they were top 10 in just about every relevant team category. Rodgers hasn’t had that luxury. He’s had a crap defense since 2011.

    Favre also wasn’t a leader. Led by example, sure. But not a vocal guy, even talking about the generation gap he had with players half his age as his career wound down.

    .. Rodgers attitude stinks right now. He needs to stop the antics. Sure, you’ve got to push and drive the young guys. This is not how to do it.

  44. I don’t like when people start comparing Rodgers to Brady and saying Rodgers is the greatest of all time. I think that’s nonsense in so many ways and disrespectful to Brady. However, Rodgers is great, and will go down as one of the greats to play the game if he finishes his career the way he started. Any team would want Rodgers.
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    As we don’t like your paranoia.

    Nobody is disrespecting Brady. Not ONE negative thing has been said about him here.

  45. boiler72 says:
    November 29, 2018 at 8:24 am
    Fundamentally, the Vikings or Bears aren’t winning the Super Bowl, either. So, it really doesn’t matter. Case closed.
    ————————————

    Cheeseheads really should get out of the prediction business. They are terrible at it. On another note I said before the Packers fell all over themselves to give Erin some new money that they should wait with 2 years left on his old deal. Now they are locked in on a good QB on the downturn.

  46. I think two rookie receivers and a banged up tight end also have something to do with this. It takes an average rookie receiver two years to get comfortable with a system and QB. He is NOT washed up…

  47. When I look at Aaron Rodgers career, I think of what Bill Parcells said about Phil Simms. Parcells said, “Giants fans will never realize how good he is until he’s gone”. That is so true and fits Rodgers to a tee. I just hope the Packers have better luck in finding a replacement for Rodgers than the Giants have had trying to replace Simms. Because they are still looking for someone to be “that guy”
    =====

    Well said.

    I think the best we can hope for is to find the Hasselbeck and Brunell types.

    Wolf and Co had a knack for that.. THIS day and age, where teams can’t seem to develop anyone, its pretty worrisome.

  48. I don’t hate Rodgers, I just think he’s not real fun to watch. I know his stats are impressive, but that also comes down to him never taking a chance. This could explain why he struggles trailing against good teams, late in games. He doesn’t take a chance. He’ll throw the ball away or take a sack, rather than force a throw. You don’t want a quarterback to throw picks; however you also don’t want a quarterback who is so concerned with picks that they never go for it when they need to.

  49. stellarperformance says:
    November 29, 2018 at 6:39 am
    The bigger mistake being made is haters counting Rodgers and the Packers out.
    ///////////////
    I counted them out 5 games ago. I specifically said the upside would be 3-2 in those 5, but a realistic expectation would be 2-3 and they’d need a lot of help to make the playoffs. Well, they went 1-4. And now they are battling the Browns for playoff position. Then last week I said the Vikings would be the best bet, especially since they were at home. You told me the Packers have better players at every single position.

    I don’t think Rodgers is “done”. That would be silly. However, I saw something on Sunday night I haven’t really seen from him. Happy Feet and rushing throws. He was seeing pass rushers even when there weren’t any. And I know you told me his knee was 100%, so that excuse went away.

    If there are mistakes being made, it is by Rodgers and you, not anybody else.

  50. aarons444 says:
    November 29, 2018 at 9:35 am
    That’s why Rodgers is not in the conversation for GOAT.

    Too injury prone now and by the looks of things, may be in decline. Unlike Brady he won’t make it to age 40 in this league.
    ======

    He’s the most efficient QB in NFL history.

    Highest Passer rating
    Best single-season passer rating (although it appears Brees may have a legit shot at that this year)
    Highest TD/INT ratio
    Lowest INT%

    In a ‘DOWN’ year, he’s better than 3/4 of the other starters.

    ———
    Not really talking about history- Im asking can he stay healthy? That’s the real question.

    I don’t put much stock in INT numbers as QBs who don’t sling the ball and play it safe and don’t take chances don’t throw INTs. I look at all the stats put together not just cherry picking that one.

  51. johngaltwho says:
    November 29, 2018 at 8:45 am
    I’ll take Aaron Rodgers as a quarterback and a leader over Kirk Cousins every day of the week and twice on Sundays along with Monday and Thursday nights.
    ///////////
    I hope you meant; “except last Sunday night”. Because, man, would you have been wrong.

    The thing is, it’s still a team game. Now tell us, would you take your Packers team over the Vikings team twice on Sunday’s? Because the Vikings team is 5-1-1 against the Packers the last 3 years, with like 9 different QB’s. If you’re a gambler you should know, it isn’t about your last bet, it’s about your next bet.

  52. @aarons444

    You do very well showing the current cap charge.

    Take a look at the dead money that hits if Rodgers is traded, cut or retires.

    That’s why the Packers and Rodgers can’t divorce each other any time soon.

  53. 31 other franchises would love to have the quarterbacking the Packers have had since 1992. Over a quarter century of being consistently competitive is something we all take for granted. Nobody in the media ever looks at the whole picture but only remember the last month or so. As far as the GOAT goes I bet most reporters today don’t know who John Unitas, Sammy Baugh, Bart Starr, Daryl Lamonica or Roger Staubauch even are. Considering how the game as evolved over the years it is impossible to call anyone individual the greatest ever.

  54. Packer fan who’s enjoyed Favre and Rodgers immensely. That said, I hate to admit Colin Cowherd is correct. He displayed that Favre’s and Rodger’s stats are remarkably similar for first 10 years. Later in career, both played on .500 football teams over several years. Both became more isolated, defensive, deflecting blame, “prima donnas.” Cowherd compared it to “I’ll never become my father.” Rodgers has become Favre. Different personalities, but same result. Over time, good numbers don’t lie, nor do bad numbers.

  55. stellarperformance says:
    November 29, 2018 at 7:31 am
    Liberalsruineverything says:
    November 29, 2018 at 6:42 am
    Remember the last time the Packers made the playoffs? They needed three games full of fishy calls and a Hail Mary to get there. That was a long time ago it seams.
    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    Do you remember the last time the Vikings went one-and-done in the playoffs? Heck, who doesn’t? Everyone from my eighty-eight year old aunt to my five year-old granddaughter remembers. You know why? Because the Vikings own the all-time NFL record for one-and-done postseason appearances, that’s why. That includes the bygone days when only “six” teams played! There should’ve been a lot of repeats, but no, the Vikings own it. In fact, the Vikngs need to win the SuperBowl four times in a row just for an outside chance another team might overtake this dubious honor. If not for a fluky never-happen-again stroke of luck (luckiest team in the NFL,) they’d have easily added to their wholly-owned distinction of one-and-done Masters! I think they will own this record until the world ends.

    I’ll never forget.
    //////////

    Memories light the corners of my mind…..seriously. You’re looking at drought in the coming years the word play-offs will cease to exist in Green bay. You laughed at us Vikes fans when we signed Cousins for 84 million, well that 84 million dollar guy has pretty much out performed Rodgers this year and totally obliterated him in head to head competition. Its 2018 dude, the past doesn’t matter…its WIN…. WHATS IMPORTANT NOW

  56. Aaron Rodgers 2018 cap number – $20,900,000 (11.54% of the Packers cap)
    Aaron Rodgers 2019 cap number – $26,500,000

    Tom Brady 2018 cap number – $22,000,000 (12.21 of the cheats cap)
    Tom Brady 2019 cap number – $27,000,000
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    What is the point of this post? The original poster never mentioned Brady. You call other people out for their “paranoia” but then turn around and do the same thing injecting Brady when he was never mentioned.

    So great, two of the top QBs in the league have similar cap hits – as do most franchise QBs. Difference is, the Pats are still going to the playoffs this year with likely the #1 or #2 seed and the Packers are again booking tee times. Blame the support cast around Rodgers all you want, but Brady is in the same position. The Pats defense is putrid. Gronk and Edelman have missed significant time this year. They got rid of Cooks, Amendola, and Lewis. The RBs are so thin that the Pats had a WR lining up in the back field.

    The bottom line is the Pats win and the Packers don’t. Some of that is on coaching. Most of that is on lack of execution and it starts at the top with the most important position.

  57. aarons444 says:
    November 29, 2018 at 9:35 am
    That’s why Rodgers is not in the conversation for GOAT.

    Too injury prone now and by the looks of things, may be in decline. Unlike Brady he won’t make it to age 40 in this league.
    ======

    He’s the most efficient QB in NFL history.

    Highest Passer rating
    Best single-season passer rating (although it appears Brees may have a legit shot at that this year)
    Highest TD/INT ratio
    Lowest INT%

    In a ‘DOWN’ year, he’s better than 3/4 of the other starters.

    .. but Brady sure does play for a better organization. You’re right there for sure.

    ————–

    The point of the game is to win, not to accumulate stats. W’s are a team stat for sure, but not being able to win on the road is partly Rodgers’ fault. There’s something to the fact he doesn’t steal as many games as the other all time greats have when playing from behind late in games on the road. Maybe that’s all on McCarthy and the team building around Rodgers, but it’s a trend that Rodgers should take some blame for.

    We’ve seen them blow road games to that prevent home field in the playoffs over the years many times.

  58. Love all the Packer/Rodgers haters! And the trolls, too!
    As a Packer fan it is very gratifying.
    You only engender that level of bile from fans by beating their teams repeatedly for many seasons.
    You are all a tribute to one of the NFL’s historically most successful, widely popular franchises.
    Thank you all for showing you care!

  59. Rodgers is currently ranked #6, a whisker behind Cousins and ahead of Bree’s, Luck, Rivers, and Brady. Not bad for playing half the season on a bum leg.

    The guy is a stud. He’ll be back…….in spades. Haters will have to wait a few more years.

  60. stellarperformance says:

    Do you remember the last time the Vikings went one-and-done in the playoffs? Heck, who doesn’t?
    ###

    A more current memory is not going one-and-done in the playoffs.

    You do know that in order to go one-and-done in the playoffs – you actually have to make the playoffs.

    That fact seems to escape you often. I guess it goes back to the days when the Packers were in a seemingly constant battle for last place in the division.

    Apparently, those scars still haven’t healed and you’re fearful of going back to the future again…

  61. stellarperformance says:
    N

    Do you remember the last time the Vikings went one-and-done in the playoffs? Heck, who doesn’t? Everyone from my eighty-eight year old aunt to my five year-old granddaughter remembers. You know why? Because the Vikings own the all-time NFL record for one-and-done postseason appearances, that’s why. That includes the bygone days when only “six” teams played! There should’ve been a lot of repeats, but no, the Vikings own it. In fact, the Vikngs need to win the SuperBowl four times in a row just for an outside chance another team might overtake this dubious honor. If not for a fluky never-happen-again stroke of luck (luckiest team in the NFL,) they’d have easily added to their wholly-owned distinction of one-and-done Masters! I think they will own this record until the world ends.

    I’ll never forget.

    ————–

    Packers won’t even get a chance to be one and done this year.

  62. stellarperformance says:

    Rodgers is currently ranked #6, a whisker behind Cousins and ahead of Bree’s, Luck, Rivers, and Brady.
    ###

    The good old “yards” default stat…

    Imagine how many more yards he’d have if he completed more of his passes. He has the lowest completion percentage of his career, can’t complete a 2 yard pass, but does well throwing hail Mary’s.

    What is his win/loss record?

    Oh, you don’t want to talk about that…

  63. gtodriver says:
    November 29, 2018 at 10:37 am
    @aarons444

    You do very well showing the current cap charge.
    Take a look at the dead money that hits if Rodgers is traded, cut or retires.
    That’s why the Packers and Rodgers can’t divorce each other any time soon.

    +++++

    Rodgers is basically signed through the 2021 season, as his release prior to the 2022 season would give Green Bay an additional $25.5M in cap space. So yep they are committed to him for 3 more years. Hopefully they will invest some of their $47 million in available cap space in providing him with offensive line help so Byron Bell isn’t starting football games in front of him anymore.

  64. Here’s what’s going on: Rodgers is so scared to get hit that he’s throwing the ball before his feet are set. I’ve never seen a QB try to get rid of the ball quicker, it’s like he’s holding a hot potato. Have you ever heard a QB says he’s throwing the ball “without the laces”? That shows he’s throwing the ball too quickly — before his hand even has time to properly grip the laces.

  65. stellarperformance says:
    November 29, 2018 at 11:03 am

    Rodgers is currently ranked #6, a whisker behind Cousins and ahead of Bree’s, Luck, Rivers, and Brady. Not bad for playing half the season on a bum leg.

    _______

    Yeah, we know. It was so bum that he returned later that very game. You have to love how the Drama-Queen’a limp is a bit more pronounced after he throws a bad pass.

  66. Why are my fellow Vikings fans puffing their chests out like we did something? I have always said let’s wait until we win something to gloat. We will have plenty of time to gloat if we actually do something. It is pathetic to be gloating before that.

    Even with the recent success vs. The Packers, the Packers still lead this decades(2010’s) game results 11-6-2.

    I just looked at the Packers schedule the rest of the way this season and ours. My god, they have a good chance of winning out. And 3-2 for us is going to be tough.

    Skol, Vikings

  67. Not gonna troll, that’s apparently been done enough above, but come on folks, Rodgers even as he’s playing now, is better than 90% of the NFL QBs out there. He’s still worth every penny the Pack pays him. It’s fine when he stinks it up against the Vikes like last week though.

  68. gtodriver says:
    November 29, 2018 at 11:25 am

    A more current memory is not going one-and-done in the playoffs.
    You do know that in order to go one-and-done in the playoffs – you actually have to make the playoffs.
    That fact seems to escape you often.

    +++++

    Since 2000 Green Bay has been to the playoffs 13 times, Minnesota 7 times. Green Bay has won 12 playoff games, Minnesota 4 games.

    Green Bay fans are well aware you need to make the playoffs to lose playoff games. We even know what it’s like to make it through the playoffs without losing! I recommend Minnesota try it sometime.

  69. There’s something to the fact he doesn’t steal as many games as the other all time greats have when playing from behind late in games on the road. Maybe that’s all on McCarthy and the team building around Rodgers, but it’s a trend that Rodgers should take some blame for.

    We’ve seen them blow road games to that prevent home field in the playoffs over the years many times.
    =====

    2009 – 21 4th Q points.. 35 2nd half points.. defense could stop anything (531 yards allowed)
    2013 – scored the final time he had the ball… never got the ball back
    2014 – scored the final time he had the ball to force OT.. never got the ball back
    2015 – scored the final time he had the ball to force OT.. never got the ball back

    3 of 4 were road games.

    He played poorly against the Giants in 2011 at home. Frankly he had what may be his worst Playoff game @ Seattle in 2014.. but they had a 19-7 lead with 3:58 to go.

    … it takes a special kind of awful to blow a lead like that.

  70. @aarons444
    You do very well showing the current cap charge.
    Take a look at the dead money that hits if Rodgers is traded, cut or retires.
    That’s why the Packers and Rodgers can’t divorce each other any time soon.
    =====

    Perhaps they’ll do what the Pats do.. pay it forward whenever they can.

    Bradys deal has been redone more times then I can count.. paying him out up front.

  71. These are just the early signs the Packers eventual slide into oblivion. You can deny it all you want, but it’s just around the corner.

    Aaron better get things together- or maybe Puntley wasn’t the real problem last year.

  72. The bottom line is the Pats win and the Packers don’t. Some of that is on coaching. Most of that is on lack of execution and it starts at the top with the most important position.
    =====

    Agreed. No question the Pats are a better organization.

    Lack of execution? At QB??

    Rodgers is the most efficient QB ever to play. On average, NOBODY has ever played better. Is he ALWAYS great? NO. Nobody is. We can find clunkers with EVERY QB, especially in the post-season.

    Rodgers gave the Packers a better chance to win than any QB ever to play the game. That is an absolute FACT.

  73. Here’s what’s going on: Rodgers is so scared to get hit that he’s throwing the ball before his feet are set. I’ve never seen a QB try to get rid of the ball quicker, it’s like he’s holding a hot potato. Have you ever heard a QB says he’s throwing the ball “without the laces”? That shows he’s throwing the ball too quickly — before his hand even has time to properly grip the laces.
    =====

    Well, it doesn’t help that the interior can’t block anyone.

    Collectively, that’s the worst play he’s had there, perhaps ever.

    And that’s saying a lot, because he has taken more sacks than the other greats of this era.

  74. What is the point of this post? The original poster never mentioned Brady. You call other people out for their “paranoia” but then turn around and do the same thing injecting Brady when he was never mentioned.

    So great, two of the top QBs in the league have similar cap hits – as do most franchise QBs.
    ======

    Thanks for proving my point.

    People are saying Rodgers is greedy and kills the Packers cap.

    Neither is true.

    I’ll tell you whats killing their cap… HAS BEENS and never were’s like Nick Perry, Randall Cobb, Clay Matthews and Jimmy Graham… those hacks 4 take up almost 1/4 of the cap this year, and they’re getting almost NOTHING out of them.

  75. The Packers fell all over themselves to resign Rodgers.

    The team President wouldn’t shut up about it all offseason.

    Rodgers didn’t force them to do anything.
    *************************************************

    Really? He didn’t force them to make him the highest paid player in the league? Huh, must have been some other guy then.

  76. aarons444 says:
    November 29, 2018 at 9:41 am

    Aaron Rodgers 2018 cap number – $20,900,000 (11.54% of the Packers cap)
    Aaron Rodgers 2019 cap number – $26,500,000

    Tom Brady 2018 cap number – $22,000,000 (12.21 of the cheats cap)
    Tom Brady 2019 cap number – $27,000,000
    *************************************

    Tom Brady 5 SB wins, winner
    A Rodgers, 1 SB win, whiner

  77. Tom Brady 5 SB wins, winner
    A Rodgers, 1 SB win, whiner
    ======

    Patriots 5 SB wins

    .. or was that a grammar error? Both QBs are the biggest ‘whiners’ I’ve ever seen.

  78. Really? He didn’t force them to make him the highest paid player in the league? Huh, must have been some other guy then.
    =====

    Packers GM expects new Aaron Rodgers contract soon
    Posted by Michael David Smith on May 3, 2018, 8:49 AM EST

    Mark Murphy: Packers hope to extend Aaron Rodgers’ contract “soon”
    Posted by Mike Florio on June 30, 2018, 11:39 AM EST

    Mark Murphy on Aaron Rodgers: Both sides have common interest to get deal done
    Posted by Charean Williams on July 16, 2018, 6:13 PM EST

  79. packertruth says:

    Rodgers is basically signed through the 2021 season, as his release prior to the 2022 season would give Green Bay an additional $25.5M in cap space.
    ###

    Yeah, that’s true. But will Rodgers make it through 2021?

    If his performance continues to falter, his dead cap money is $23 MILLION. The save $10.5 MILLION in gap space because his salary cap # is $33.5 MILLION.

    The cap space savings are irrelevant because those are pretend dollars. The $23 MILLION represents real unearned money that Rodgers took from the Packers.

    Rodgers has had problems with is performance for years now. He just can’t put a full season together anymore.

    The Packers played Russian Roulette by extending him early. It appears to be a mistake.

  80. Rodgers has had problems with is performance for years now. He just can’t put a full season together anymore.
    =====

    2010 – missed a game with a concussion
    2011 – missed a game… because the team was 14-1
    2013 – broken collarbone
    2017 – broken collarbone

    He’s made 153 of a possible 171 starts

    If I get that from the NEXT Packers QB, I’ll take it. GLADLY!

  81. I’m a long time Vikes fan.
    Only thing I really hate about PFT is the handful stupid Packer fans who constantly spend all their time attacking the Vikings in EVERY POST.

    That being said… I just don’t see how ANYONE (media included) has any business questioning the abilities of Aaron Rodgers. Just because I’m a Vikings fan, doesn’t mean I am not someone able to see talent.

    The guy can do it all – throw from every angle, location, distance, circumstance.

    He has been SO good, for SO long, and has carried the Pack when their defense and/or running game was limited.

    So, this year, he has lost a few of the games that in the past he has miraculously WON by his considerable athletic ability. Now everyone is all over him, and reporters even have the stupidity to question if he suddenly lost his “fundamentals”.

    It’s sad how short-term some people’s memories are.

    AR will go down as one of the greats. And yes, it’s sad for him that he has one only 1 Superbowl. But same can be said of the futility that Dan Marino suffered. Part of the game. Just because you’re a great QB doesn’t mean that all the pieces necessary to win a Championship are going to be there.

    That’s just simple-minded thinking “Oh this or that QB is lousy because they never won a Superbowl.

    Well, Trent Dilfer DID.
    Brad Johnson DID.
    Joe Flacco DID.

    And none of them will be remembered for being “GREAT”….

  82. getadealdonealready says:
    November 29, 2018 at 1:53 pm
    He is 15-14-1 in the last 30 games he has played, maybe we can stop with the GOAT talk. He is no longer able to carry a sub-standard football team.
    //////////////////////////////////////

    If Cousins can carry a sub-standard second-place Vikings team that hasn’t beaten a team with a winning record yet, Rodgers is fine.

  83. Only 5 Packers didn’t practice today. Progress!👏 Hey, it was 11 just yesterday.

    Daniels, Brice, Raven Greene, Trevor Davis, and Tra Carson were the only players who didn’t practice.

    Pack favored by 14 Sunday, but it’s all hands on deck.

    #WinOut

    #OperationGetThePackInTheDance

    #GoPackGo!🧀

  84. I’ve seen every snap Aaron has taken in the NFL and there is no difference this season in his fundamentals.
    —-
    True, his fundamentals are terrible as they have always been. Sports radio in Seattle talked about it. In the same talk where Brock Huard said Rodgers’ bad body language was demoralizing his teammates Huard talked about Rodgers’ fundamentals and said they were always terrible but Rodgers made up for that with his arm and now that his arm is declining his bad fundamentals are a problem. Huard suggested Green Bay’s next coach needs to be both a strong fundamentals guy AND somebody that Rodgers will listen to.

  85. gtodriver says:
    November 29, 2018 at 10:37 am
    @aarons444

    You do very well showing the current cap charge.

    Take a look at the dead money that hits if Rodgers is traded, cut or retires.

    That’s why the Packers and Rodgers can’t divorce each other any time soon.

    ///

    The difference is that neither one wants a divorce, just a new coach.

    That’s Viking wishing on your part

  86. mrdarkness13 says:

    Memories light the corners of my mind…..seriously. You’re looking at drought in the coming years the word play-offs will cease to exist in Green bay. You laughed at us Vikes fans when we signed Cousins for 84 million, well that 84 million dollar guy has pretty much out performed Rodgers this year and totally obliterated him in head to head competition. Its 2018 dude, the past doesn’t matter…its WIN…. WHATS IMPORTANT NOW

    ////

    The difference is he’s stating facts and your just hoping.

    A new gm this year with a new coach next year could breathe life into this team.

    You can pray for the packers to return to mediocrity, I can also speculate that as they were this year, actually getting Mack here could have paid enough dividends to put this team on top the division already.

    Why?

    Because the division is soft.

  87. gtodriver says:
    November 29, 2018 at 1:24 pm
    packertruth says:

    Rodgers is basically signed through the 2021 season, as his release prior to the 2022 season would give Green Bay an additional $25.5M in cap space.
    ###

    Yeah, that’s true. But will Rodgers make it through 2021?

    If his performance continues to falter, his dead cap money is $23 MILLION. The save $10.5 MILLION in gap space because his salary cap # is $33.5 MILLION.

    The cap space savings are irrelevant because those are pretend dollars. The $23 MILLION represents real unearned money that Rodgers took from the Packers.

    Rodgers has had problems with is performance for years now. He just can’t put a full season together anymore.

    The Packers played Russian Roulette by extending him early. It appears to be a mistake.

    /////

    He will be an mvp candidate Again next year with a new coach that can breathe some life into this team. I can’t imagine what listening to McCarthy speeches at this point must be like.

    Don’t take it as my thinking they are getting in but this division stinks.

  88. Liberalsruineverything
    Cheeseheads really should get out of the prediction business. They are terrible at it. On another note I said before the Packers fell all over themselves to give Erin some new money that they should wait with 2 years left on his old deal. Now they are locked in on a good QB on the downturn.
    _______________________

    While Rodgers isn’t having a “Rodgers like” year, he has 20 TDs and 1 INT.., I have two knocks on him one 1st is not getting into the endzone when getting into the red zone. the other is he would rather take a 50 50 man coverage ball 25 yards downfield than the open underneath guy and let him get RAC.

  89. stellarperformance says:
    November 29, 2018 at 9:09 am

    billtetley53 says:
    November 29, 2018 at 8:22 am
    We were told after last year that when AR was back the Packers would be back to normal. Well, what happened?
    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////

    What happened? Really? Please tell us how any quarterback is expected to perform normally with an injured knee and a brace. He took it off one week ago. One week.

    Some of you idiots are hate-blind. Get some help.
    ________

    He didn’t look that good without the brace either. Next excuse, please.

  90. bondlake says:
    November 29, 2018 at 6:56 am
    Nyneal: It sounds as if you’re in love with the guy. Many of us are not.

    I never have heard excuses from the other No. 12, the GOAT, Tom Brady. All he does is produce. And, BTW, I don’t recall seeing him running around doing a bunch of commercials and playing in celebrity golf tournaments.

    Rodgers is stuck on himself. And if you can’t see this, then you’re in denial.

    ————————————————————————————–

    I do not consider any player in the NFL anything more than a piece of a puzzle. The team is what matters to me. But I defend players when I think they are being unfairly criticized. To me, Rodgers fits that bill. I’ve seen numerous comments about his private life — which is no ones business and it’s classless for those who criticize him about it.
    You mentioned him doing commercials. Well, I’ve never seen any athlete do as many commercials as Peyton Manning did and still does, and it didn’t seem to hurt him any. And many players play in celebrity golf tournaments, which most of the time are benefits for those people or organizations who need financial help. So what’s wrong with that? Next you’ll be criticizing him if he goes to see a kid in a hospital.
    It’s ridiculous to criticize Rodgers the way he gets criticized. Yes, he wears his emotions on his sleeve during games. But I’ve seen Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, and many more QB’s who do just what Rodgers does.
    I just don’t get the hate for the guy. He’s never been arrested or suspended for drugs or punching out a woman, or anything else. All he’s done is work hard to play at a high level. And in spite of what you or anyone else says, he’s played the position at a very high level for his whole career. Go ask coaches who coached during Rodgers’ time in the NFL what they thought of him. I think the answer will back up what I have said.
    You called Tom Brady the GOAT, and that shows your bias and why you dislike Rodgers so much. Well, show me where Rodgers has ever called himself the greatest QB of all time. You can’t because he has never said it. In fact, he said right before the Packers played the Patriots that Brady’s championship settles any argument about that.
    So hate Rodgers if you want. I couldn’t care less. But be watching 5 years from when he retires because he’s a shoo-in to be inducted into the Hall Of Fame.

  91. This Packer team, and Rodgers, would be just fine as-is if they could ever keep their starters healthy and on the field. That’s it, but they can’t.

    The sheer number of Packer-hating Viking trolls showing up on each and every Rodgers or Packer story only serves to confirm how badly the Vikings have been abused by the Packers since Favre arrived.

    They can gloat all they want, but all they have is their own personal “SuperBowl” so far. They’re going to wonder what a real one feels like (it’s great!) for a good long time.

    Viking fans need guarantees. Here’s one: The Packers will win another (real) SuperBowl before the Vikings win their first. Probably with Rodgers too.

    All the trolls are muttering under their breath because they believe it too.

  92. I just realized that Rodger is not talking about his football passing fundamentals. He means his pouting, eye rolling, and stink eye fundamentals have not changed and are as good as ever. He can still curse out his teammates and coaches just like he always could.

  93. Lets just acknowledge the fact that the few zealous Packer fans here are always going to insist that Rodgers is the great of all time and the Packers are just about go on a run to the SB no matter how terrible and uninspired the team looks or how ridiculous that sounds to the rest of us.

  94. walker1191 says:
    November 29, 2018 at 9:21 pm
    Lets just acknowledge the fact that the few zealous Packer fans here are always going to insist that Rodgers is the great of all time and the Packers are just about go on a run to the SB no matter how terrible and uninspired the team looks or how ridiculous that sounds to the rest of us.

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    I have been a Packers fan since 1960. Here’s how I rate the best Packers QB’s I have seen in my lifetime:
    1. Bart Starr
    2. Aaron Rodgers
    3. Brett Favre

    I see Patriots fans citing Brady’s championships as the reason he is the G.O.A.T. Well, Bart Starr won 5 NFL championships in 7 years and was 10 yards from winning another one when time ran out. No one has topped that, Tom Brady included.

  95. aarons444 says:
    November 29, 2018 at 12:17 pm
    The bottom line is the Pats win and the Packers don’t. Some of that is on coaching. Most of that is on lack of execution and it starts at the top with the most important position.
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    Agreed. No question the Pats are a better organization.

    Lack of execution? At QB??

    Rodgers is the most efficient QB ever to play. On average, NOBODY has ever played better. Is he ALWAYS great? NO. Nobody is. We can find clunkers with EVERY QB, especially in the post-season.

    Rodgers gave the Packers a better chance to win than any QB ever to play the game. That is an absolute FACT.

    FACT ( I love using caps) – Consistency trumps the highs & lows. Rodgers may ONE OF the best of his era but to be considered the GOAT you need stats. Not meaningless Manning type stats, garnering huge passing yardage against a division constructed to lift Peyton’s stats. You need PLAYOFF STATS & rings, many of them. So far that means TB & JM in that order. When Rodgers compiles a playoff record over the same or longer period than Brady, you’ll have a case. Right now all you have is a bromance.

  96. nyneal says:

    I have been a Packers fan since 1960. Here’s how I rate the best Packers QB’s I have seen in my lifetime:
    1. Bart Starr
    2. Aaron Rodgers
    3. Brett Favre

    I see Patriots fans citing Brady’s championships as the reason he is the G.O.A.T. Well, Bart Starr won 5 NFL championships in 7 years and was 10 yards from winning another one when time ran out. No one has topped that, Tom Brady included.
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    I’ve watched all three of those QB play.

    They are all very good QB’s.

    But to try and convince me that Bart Starr was/is better than Brady because he won 5 NFL Championships at a time when there were only 14, 15 or 16 teams in the league, only 1 or 2 playoff games in a season is just a bit disingenuous.

    16 game regular seasons, 32 teams in the NFL, Wild Card round, Divisional round, Conference Championship round and then a Super Bowl.

    Just making it to the Conference Championship game is the equivalent of winning one of Bart’s NFL Championships. I think Brady has done that 13 times.

    There just is no comparison.

  97. Just making it to the Conference Championship game is the equivalent of winning one of Bart’s NFL Championships. I think Brady has done that 13 times.

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    Apples and oranges. Patriots have dominated the AFC east by beating up on the Jets, bills and Dolphins. That allows them to often get a bye in the first round and then play the weakest team left in the field (often the #4 seed in the AFC). Then they make it to the AFC championship,

    When Starr was playing in the playoffs, only the best teams were playing in the playoffs. So winning a playoff game was equivalent to beating the near-best team in the NFL. I believe all of Starr’s playoff opponents had a record of at least 10-3-1, except for the 67 Cowboys.

    I doubt Brady faced many teams with similar winning percentages just to arrive at the AFC championship game. Still brady is the best ever IMO.

  98. But to try and convince me that Bart Starr was/is better than Brady because he won 5 NFL Championships at a time when there were only 14, 15 or 16 teams in the league, only 1 or 2 playoff games in a season is just a bit disingenuous.
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    Less teams = better players on said teams = better competition

    Starr was 9-1 against said better competition, 3-peated, AND he’s the highest rated post-season passer EVER.

    (I’m NOT one that would take Starr over Brady, but the argument is indeed genuine, if one cares to make it)

  99. FACT ( I love using caps) – Consistency trumps the highs & lows. Rodgers may ONE OF the best of his era but to be considered the GOAT you need stats. Not meaningless Manning type stats, garnering huge passing yardage against a division constructed to lift Peyton’s stats. You need PLAYOFF STATS & rings, many of them. So far that means TB & JM in that order. When Rodgers compiles a playoff record over the same or longer period than Brady, you’ll have a case. Right now all you have is a bromance.
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    Where are Rodgers lows?

    Name another QB that would have given the 2008-2018 Green Bay Packers a BETTER chance to win games and Championships?

  100. With all this comparisons going on with Favre and Rodgers another stat stands out in Rodgers favor. Favre never got his head coach fired. So Rodgers is one up on Brett there too.

  101. I see Patriots fans citing Brady’s championships as the reason he is the G.O.A.T. Well, Bart Starr won 5 NFL championships in 7 years and was 10 yards from winning another one when time ran out. No one has topped that, Tom Brady included.

    )))))))))))))))))))))))

    Didn’t Otto Graham top Bart? Yes he did, he won 7 championships.

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